'Culture': Delta Force Vs. SEAL Team 6 Explained By Operator
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- Опубликовано: 7 окт 2024
- Former Delta Force officer Jeff Tiegs speaks with David Hookstead about how members of The Unit are perfect at the basics.
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He was right on the money about upcoming army leadership coming from Delta. Pretty sure the new SGM of the Army was former Delta.
He was according to wikipedia.
David, it would awesome for you to interview Kevin Holland. Chris Van Sant said he thinks he is the only Devgru Operator who also got selected for Delta. Amazing content as always!
Jeff or Chris?
Kevin Holland was out of the Navy when he wanted to get back in ST6, they told him he had to go back to the regular teams and work his way back up to ST6. He was told by a friend to try out for Delta which he did.
In the 1980’s the Unit was having trouble keeping their numbers up because of the rigorous selection process so it was agreed upon that the Delta selection process would be opened up to all of the US military. Soon, Delta Force was made up of some of the best operators in the US military including Green Berets, Rangers, Navy SEALS, Marine Force Recon, Marine Raiders, Air Force special operators and other elite troops. US Delta Force is the most diverse and versatile unit in the world and they literally have operators for every job whether it be at sea, air, or on land.
Because DELTA selects from a much larger pool with diverse backgrounds, it is more innovative and is not as imbred as SEAL TEAM 6.
The Navy selects from its own, why? Simple, when ST6 comes calling they already know they are getting studs. They know they are getting people that know how SEAL teams work. ST6 is the next step. Do you not think that Delta has requirements that must be met before you apply? Surely you don’t think that think some dude out of boot camp goes straight to Delta. So, sure they say they accept all military branches but you know there are very high requirements to be met before you are even considered. That limits the pool of people 80-90%.
Lol "imbred".
@@jimpowell2296Exactly, 100%. Out of all branches you’re only going to get 3,000-6,000 Delta level guys, it’s not like Delta is more filtered because they have a bigger pool, there’s still only 5% Delta potential in that pool. The SEALs pool is filtering already high level operators.
Seems misleading as the navy seals were selected out of a big pool. Secondly, most delta force guys were drawn from the rangers or green berets. One could say delta force wasn't or isn't really a tier one unit. Seal team six was created to make a team of the most talented and experienced seals. These days, I'm sure they're about the same as far as talent and experience, just a little different as far as objectives
@@tokesalotta1521 ST6 guys have left to go to Delta, but never once vice versa.... I think that speaks volumes.
He’s wrong about Devgru not having a selection. Regular seals are hand picked to be able to attend an interview to try out for Devgru. Most guys have done 5 plus deployments already as a regular seal and some are super young and lucky who have done only 2 deployments get a chance to try out. And in some cases guys are extremely experienced and have done 10 or 11 deployments. You are interview by Devgru instructors and Devgru members on why you want to be there, after that you’re invited to a screen test which includes pull-ups, pushups, sit ups, swim and other stuff which I don’t know about. Then you attend green team in which you do a bunch of CQB, shooting, diving, SERE, land warfare, skydiving and other stuff. Every guy that went through that thing said it’s a lot harder than bud/s. Eyes are on you all the time and if you mess up they’ll smoke you and see if you’ll break. The only publicized attrition rate is 50% bud other guys who did podcast said their class was more like a 80% attrition rate. I think it changes from class to class. Yes, Devgru got a selection and it’s very hard.
An interview and physical fitness screening is not a selection bro lol.
@@DG-tf2mw what's your point? My point is that devgru has a selection process called “green team” as I said.
if the founders of ST6 and DF both wrote books on it then i dont see why past members should be criticized for going public. So long as they don't reveal anything important.
agree
A Unit guy will usually tell you CAG/Delta/Green is better. You'll generally get an ambiguous answer from a Dev/ST6/Blue guy, with the occasional qualified "we're just as good, but better at XYZ." Occasionally, you'll get a real honest ST6 will imply that Green are the true masters of combat. Here's how you know that's the truth - more than one SAS/SBS guy has publicly said the same. Listen to Shawn Ryan's interviews. As a SEAL who went contracted with CIA Ground Branch/GRS, he worked with former operators from both Green and Blue. And it's fairly evident SMU he considers more tactically proficient.
But all that aside. this is a question that only makes sense in the past 10-12 years, after Dev's successful botching of Operation Neptune Spear, when they were given a much higher profile, and much more importantly, an equal seat at the table.
(What do you call it when you choose a spot to hover above that the pilots tell you will likely cause the bird to crash, and it does, thus revealing to the world - not only a new aircraft, but an entirely new CLASS of aircraft with a hitherto unknown capability? (The Stealth Blackhawk that they failed to completely destroy before/on the exfil.) Then on the objective, after he's been shot dead, there are multiple operators that are so thirsty for glory that they go off script, off orders, completely against prior planned/predefined mission parameters, such as shooting the primary target in the face/head/A-zone, and one, possibly two of supposedly the most professional unit in the world shoot the objective/target IN FACE... AFTER HE'S ALREADY DEAD.... BECAUSE THEY WANT TO TAKE CREDIT FOR SHOOTING HIM. Then, because none of these guys has any form of measuring device in their forensics or sensitive site exploitation kits, because, evidently, they don't do that shit either, or it doesn't occur to them that anyone with a variable power optics and a laser rangefinder can tell you exactly the length of ANY object, they settle on the identity of the man they've killed because one of the operators is real tall, same height as UBL, and when he lays down next to corpse of the guy they killed, they seem the same height. Yeah. SEAL Team Six DEVGRU Task Force Blue. These guys as good or better than Delta? And that was their most famous success. The Captain Philips rescue? So what about that ransom?)
Anyway, before their 'successful' kill/capture or capture/kill (who knows?) of UBL, Blue was NEVER considered fully equal to Green and was ALWAYS considered the JV squad. There have been several times in JSOC's history that missions that were originally Blue's that were pulled and given to Green simply due to the importance, prominence and no-fail nature of the mission and Blue's (and gemeral SEAL) history of botching missions. Indeed, that was the expectation of the UBL mission, which went to Blue during the Iraq/Afghanistan task spliiting. Blue really developed that plan, but Green figured that they would swoop in grab it from them when time came - you can see several interviews where Delta guys imply or straight up SAY that they were upset that they weren't given the mission, even though it is public knowledge that that was at ST6 mission that they had been refining for YEARS.since the Iraq war had kicked off.
It's only since then that the uneducated general lay public has seen ST6 as America's premier "commandos" because they're the ones who got Bin Laden. Dig a little deeper and you find that most people in know hold Delta in much higher regard, for a myriad of reasons.
But really, have a one of the British podcasts that regularly interviews SAS/SBS guys to ask them this question and you'll get the same answer as oreviously unbidden opinions - Unit guys are the world's premier soldiers/warrriors.
ST6 is not the same as all SEAL teams. Your post seems full of holes. How did ST6 refine Operation Neptune Spear for years when the US didn't even know where Osama Bin Laden was until they got the intel from the CIA analysts and decided that it was credible enough to act on it- OBL did not sit in that house for years while ST6 was making a plan.
Interesting thoughts on the matter, thanks for sharing
Dude you literally broke it down for those who think the SEALS are better because they make movies about them lol. SEALS and ST6 has ALWAYS been JV to DELTA and everyone in the know agrees it's the internet warriors who love the American sniper movie who thinks the SEALS are the best lol. You hit the nail right on the head bro!
The two biggest assets delta has are:
A-funding
B- most importantly, they are completely self-sufficient. They don’t rely on, with the exception of air, outside units for support. All support is internal and readily available without other units also relying on that support unit.
Delta’s Echo Squadron is their in-house air asset. They still work with other JSOC air, but Echo gives them a great degree of air capability that is 100% under their control and in their COC. Echo Squadron was born after Sea Spray and gives them clandestine fixed and rotary air capabilities. If there is a one-stop shop for special missions, you’ll find it at the end of the long road at Bragg. Just don’t show up uninvited 😊
What big naval vessels, ships and submarines, does the Army or DF have?
@@chrismcclendon5335 that’s right. When it counts, the navy gets to transport, observe and hope for a call for fire. Accept your decision.
@@chrismcclendon5335 they get to give primary fire missions to what they call
This is false.
This dudes eyebrows are going everywhere.
Right wtf is going on with his eyebrows 😂
It would be nice if you included links to your guest projects- my apologies if I missed them.
'The Mission, The Men and Me.'
Excellent book. I loved it.
Pete Blaber 👍🏻
Blaber > stud
It's said that Dick Marcinko regretted not having a proper selection for Six.....I think it was because he was rushed to set the command up and didn't have time to setup a proper selection course
Have to have that huge pool to have members able to blend in every where in the world.
I respect this guy. His understanding of SEALs is that from the outside. He wrong about the SEAL selection process. He has his team and that’s cool. He shows his blinders to people when he compares subjects that he’s only 50% experienced in.
Also David would love to see you ask these guys what’s the culture/competitive nature within each squadron of each team. Like I hear interviews of like gold, red, and blue squad on the Devgru side and that specific culture to each unit. But I would love to hear stories if they exist of the rivalry of gold vs red or if they ever compete against one another. Or if they have competition intersquad exercises etc
All you need to know is Chuck Norris played in Delta Force not Team Force.
The average delta operator will be required to act with more discretion than the average seal, even on team 6. I believe also the selection for delta is fairly unique in that they are trying to weed everyone out, whereas in the other units, even tier 1, are weeding guys in.
Isn’t green team devgru’s “selection”? DJ confirmed in an interview with Shawn Ryan that you need to be invited to try out. But I’m pretty sure green team is the selection process to join devgru.
David you should ask about sas
Its true i saw it, it wasnt me but i was showed the invitation. Theres no mistaking what it was.
Question?
Google has both Delta Force and the 4th infantry division to capture Saddam.
Unless Delta Force was inside the 4th infantry division, without the 4th infantry division knowing?
I met some senior guys that were there and basically it was that in a way, they eventually found out but few knew. CAG was with the original 1/10 Cav.
He meant society.
I wonder if 4th ID acted as the supporting element for CAG? Like-CAG did the actual offensive actions to capture Sadaam, while 4th ID did the larger supporting actions?
From what Tom Satterly said, it seems DoD wanted Big Army to be the face of the capture. Great PR and all, though it was Delta that captured.
If Delta wants to open the pool to every service, that's their business
I thought Green Team was the selection for DEVGRU?
There has never been a time, nor will there ever be a time where the navy is better at doing army shit than the army is. Or the marine corps for the matter either.
cag & dev both exceptional at CQB. I think it’s been stated delta’s bread & butter is hostage rescue while ST6 more tailored for DA’s/seek&kill:capture not say both elements can’t perform both however I believe they both have strengths and weaknesses respectively
By the way, have you considered interviewing Dallas Alexander? He is a former JTF2 sniper/assaulter who served on the team (with Jeff Depatie, JTF2) who made what was considered the world-record sniper shot (at that time, 2017). He also appeared on the Shawn Ryan Show.
That guy related to Bam Margera?
Think you can do a video on which unit is older
Seems misleading to say team 6 is only drawn from about 5,000 or so because those 5,000 were already selected from the entire navy.
Where’s the full interview?
I love these types of videos you see the dynamic of 2 very similar units made up of men who are very similar in traits and skills. But I do notice in your videos that the delta guys may harbor more resentment towards the seals about being the “silent professional” like to me it gives off the vibes that they almost jealous(I use this word very loosely) that seals are kinda the poster boys of Special OPs to the general public. Now this is not to say they both don’t respect and acknowledge their capabilities.but I feel like every time you ask these questions to Devgru guys they are very happy and willing to acknowledge that delta guys are great and are amazing unit to work with, while the Delta guys although they give respect to the Seals they have that jealous ex girlfriend vibe lol
The resentment is different. Delta guys don't go on 60 minutes or write books. No jealousy detected.
i think there are advantages for recruiting from seal to seal team 6 , and i think there is a selection to join team 6 . again delta has also advantage for selecting from bigger pool . to my analysis , both team are great , it will always down to the individuals.
But army training is not as hard as buds
@@jackomalley3687who cares. You don’t need to scuba dive or combat swim on land. Also Delta selection is harder but shorter than BUDs.
DELTA selection is an individual effort, rather than a team evolution, so it is psychologically harder. Further, no DELTA guy has gone over to the SEAL teams, while plenty of SEALs have gone over to DELTA.@@jackomalley3687
@@sgedeon01listen to Kevin hollands interview with Jack Carr. He states pretty emphatically that buds was physically harder than the delta selection. Kevin Holland was only Devgru guy to make it to the unit. He also completed the Army SF Q course. He’s a tough mofo.
@@Jc87134 I’ve listened to that interview. CAG selection is harder than BUDs because it’s 100% individual. There is no team exercise in CAG selection. CAG selection is over 200 miles timed individual land navigation in the mountains of West Virginia in full battle rattle.
BUDs is hard but it involves a lot of team exercises and micromanaging from the instructors. Team log carries, team PT, etc. Also plenty of SEALs have failed CAG selection. There is no micromanaging in CAG selection.
BUDs is for entry level sailors. One must have at least 4 years military experience to be allowed to attend CAG selection.
I don’t care how hard BUDs is. Other than the 7 week land warfare phase, BUDs does nothing to prepare you for combat on land. Scuba diving sounds sexy but has no relevance on land other than a specifically method of insertion. It doesn’t make you tougher or give you any tactical skills relevant to land warfare.
It doesn’t matter how hard BUDs is. BUDs is harder than ranger school but ranger school is much more valuable when it comes to teaching small unit tactics especially since ranger school is literally a small unit tactics leadership school.
i wanna see this guy draw a pool
These delta guys are a$$holes, and seem to know nothing about their Naval counterparts. Of course Delta has to have a selection because not all of its candidates have been battle tested and hardened like the seals who try out for DEVGRU. A coast Guardsman or a national guardsman would definitely need to complete selection because he is nowhere near as proficient as a guy from the 75 Ranger regiment. Devgru doesn't need a selection because they go by reputation, but you still get vetted through green team. Devgru pulls from a battle tested proven brotherhood, that is why the seals are so closely knit. Delta accepts anyone which isn't a bad thing, but it doesn't lend to the same cohesiveness as DEVGRU.
Lol we all hot told it was 4th ID that night.
Wait but Green Team IS the selection ? The tap on the shoulder as the prerequisite could arguably equate to a higher standard of selection process
Eh,the thinking is they don't need a selection because buds is already hard enough.(I read it somewhere)
Then again rangers and green berets are already tier 1 and/or 2.
true phase 1 buds is hard, but it’s because navy basic includes virtually no combat/ground warfare training. There is NO rifle training in navy basic, just M9. That’s why buds is basically like an OSUT/RASP/SFAS rolled into one. Not to mention, phase 2 and 3 buds is operational based training. Whereas there are plenty of post SFAS in pipeline drops. Delta selection is probably way intense than green team, because green team knows there’s no buds washouts, but Delta will weed out that whole DoD pool
@@evdombrowski1 Interesting. When it's put like that. then it sounds like Green team is essentially a way more streamline, or rather distilled Delta Selection process that the Navy need not change because it's entirely naval personal. Where as much like everything Army related, Detla Selection is a beast of necessity. It HAS to be that way because of it's model of recruiting from all branches of the military?
@@qp4367 The gouge is that Dev is more about fit/culture with the team. They only invite guys they respect and liked working with on white teams. Delta is all about the strength of the individual: building the nastiest coalition of bad dudes irrespective of origin. It don’t matter if you were a hard GB or batt guy, if you can’t pass selection but a Marine or AF stud can, cool with them. Delta selection does not give credit for past merits or past unit. Everyone goes through the same gauntlet
Delta are bang tough.
Seal Team 6
January 6
6 feet apart
Get the f outta ere
Can't speak on anything else, but this the second time a delta guy has misforned us on devgru, don't know if its the idgaf attitude or just a lack of research. This guy basically said green team doesn't exist. Dale in the other podcast compared regular team guys to delta. Unbelievable, because I thought unit guys would at least be on par with the average redditor in terms of basic google knowledge. However, also do believe this is the minority - vast majority like brent are studs.
There are 2450 SEALs.
In other words you want to brag about it. I get it. Why beat around the bush?
does it matter who captured saddam? come on, really?
Bro close your mouth jeez 😂
disingenuous is what he is saying. Delta guys are so arrogant yet Seals can do what they do but Delta CANNOT do what the Seals do. Who is kore highly.trained? Thats would be the Seals
U need a really really long break from the internet, guy. This is bizarre behavior. Guys talk about this unit compared to that unit for fun, or for the audience to hear entertaining info about these cool hi speed units. Ur treating actual military like pro wrestling, or something.
Sounds like a jealous older brother haha
Dude it’s cool! Delta is very cool, we know!
Delta Force guy says Delta Force is better. Shocking.
This dude is hereby banned from commenting on all NSW and strategic defense topics.
This guy doesn't know shit about NSW. He was just making up numbers and "no selection". This guy is completely uninformed and has a heavy bias towards his former unit.
@chrisr1406 💯 and to be that confident about it as if it's fact. Like come on. If you don't know something just say it. Don't make up garbage. Definitely can't trust this guy's info.
He acknowledged the green team stage by saying there is a process after invitation to weed out ppl he just didn't name it. He's trying to get ppl to see the bigger picture and might not know if green team is something a lot know of and stuff so he's a bit vague. Listen to his words
Team 6 is better! fact!
😅😂 clueless
Delta recruits from the seals…nobodys leavin delta for seals tells u everything u need to know they are great but army CAG are the best of the best
Google Linda Norgrove.
@@thedudeabides5 Google Operation Eagle Claw
Only immature fans want to fight over who is better, most operators even say that each one is good in their area, we have to be grateful for having the best SMU protecting the nation.
Just to become a seal is an insane selection, then you must have the exact qualities vouched by team 6 members to be allowed in for a try.
The guy makes it sound like haha there are 5000 random hobos and anyone can say look my friend here is ok, let him in to team 6.
Yeah..fu!