SEAL Team 6 Vs. Delta Force Explained By Actual Members
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- Опубликовано: 28 ноя 2023
- Retired Delta Force and Seal Team 6 operators talk with David Hookstead about the differences between DEVGRU and The Unit.
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So you basically just a military nerd who never served huh?
@omarbraddy5052, why does someone have to serve to be an interviewer and have a podcast?..........they don't!
@@omarbraddy5052 and you did nothing, you're welcome for my service 🇺🇲
@@nickjohnson710I think it’s fine to nerd over here and there but it’s a little cringe to fanboy. With the amount of energy some dudes obsess over these guys and money they spent over years on gear and coseplay they could have spent the same time training, join the military and apply for the units or at least maybe join a tier 2 unit. Why not actually attempt to join something you have such a hard passion for such things if you have opportunity?
I mean the honest answer is going to be kept people are scared
@voidwalker9223 You're definitely right about the fanboy thing. It's pretty sad ... But on the other hand, people do podcasts about film and music they don't necessarily have had to be iin
“ I know guys that have killed more people than malaria” I'm done 😆
Lmaoo right.
That was just an ill comment.
That comment was ice cold!😆
😁
Fucken awesome
I’m a retired “DUSTOFF” pilot, and I’ve taken several class with Shrek. He’s a soldier’s soldier. I continue to be in awe of these guys.
What’s a dust off pilot?
Army MEDEVAC/ambulance @@Beholder505
Medevac helo pilot
@@Beholder505 medevac pilot
I was as well. Left the 57th (AA) to retire, and quit flying for close to a decade before going back to HEMS. Now I’m completely retired and miss the rush and the feeling of accomplishment.
My dad went through BUDs with Richard Marcinko. Standing right behind him in their BUDs pic. Mad Respect to everyone that's served!
Respect to your father as well as everyone who serves.
Marcinko is a LEGEND
My dad had a Budweiser with Marcinko. We have that in common!
@@busterbiloxi3833my guy 😂😂😂
Marcincko Red Cell founder of ST6, God rest his soul.
Mad respect for these apex warriors. I was a young enlisted Ranger Bat guy in the early 80’s…worked with CAG and ST6. I was in awe of these guys as soon as I saw them. ST6 guys looked like NFL dudes…huge with very long hair, was so jealous cuz we had to wear high n tights in the battalion. CAG were always the most impressive (to me, my opinion)…quiet professionals…apex warriors. Retired an army aviator and flew ISR for JSOC as a contractor in later years…22 SAS are absolutely awesome and apex predators as well. Enjoyed listening to their conversation and insights…truly impressive and glad they are on our side!
you were never in the military, r e t a r d
Ranger from 2015-2022. Worked with all three aswell… men cut from the same cloth, brought up in different environments… apex predictors is the only real descriptor for them.
When i read books on both seal team 6 delta sas they all say there just as good as the other. But i heard a SAS guy say seal team 6 was the best CQB units in the world. His opinion off course. I believe there all equally capable nowadays
@@niclockhart7951 you never served in the military, r e t a r d
@@mikefitzpatrick43 best of luck in learning how to spell, r e t a r d
I'm just glad they're all on our side.
I always imagine Delta guys as someone you would mistake for an accountant.
Devgru, party hard frat boys.
You didn’t see the SRS interview with Tom Satterly. The delta guys party.
Actually the devgru guys stationed in Virginia are more like rednecks
Everyone is different in every unit or team. Depends on the people there’s no stereo that fits.
Have you seen 'The Accountant' badass muthafucker 😂
Asking which is the more effective group, the best group, between the Unit and Team 6 is completely ridiculous. Seriously splitting hairs. They are amazing awesome groups and something I for one am extremely proud of as an American. I wish I could have been one of those guys. 🤙🏻
The Unit.
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Ya, aka Delta Force
I'm just very happy they are all on our side. Hopefully the Army and Navy are continuing to train soldiers and sailors to be the best of the best.
Unfortunately not. Their checking that the men have vaginas and women have penises.
Delta and DEVGRU guys are pretty much cut from the same cloth. Top tier professionals doing amazing work.
I'm biased for Delta as I live in Fayetteville, under the umbrella of the greatest counter-terrorist unit on the planet. It's awesome to know those guys shop at the same walmart that I do. But really, It's two different units, two slightly-different missions. The Seals are the aquatic warriors. The D-Boys are the land warriors. Both badass warriors. Which ever team you're runnin' & gunnin' with, Thanks for keeping us safe and killing bad guys. RIP to those we've lost downrange.
So 22 SAS have moved base????😮
@@petermontgomery8707 I'm pretty sure 22 SAS is still in England.
SAS got their ASS handed to them in Northern Ireland 🇮🇪
Bottom line
Gentlemen,
"Sua Sponte"
God Bless
You ALL !!!!
Chris response is definitely the most comprehensive and objective.
I can listen to that guy for hours
John is a Bad Ass!! Holds NO punches, Said it Best!! Infantry, Ranger, SF and Delta! Success!!
No school like the old school lol. Shrek's answer was absolutely the best!
Answering this is like answering who the best NFL team is over a period of time. They are all pros at the highest level. Going to crush it at most things.
I don't know anything about football and extremely little about the military, but isn't the answer to that question, "The Patriots"?
Patriots
Agreed but some just can't except this fact
I think it comes down to the talent pool and the unit pulls from everyone.
John "Shrek" McPhee is so hardcore that when he finally showed up on the screen I backed up 😆. He was not kidding around in this interview, it was like fun time over.
Shrek hit the nail on the head, Delta is a stand alone unit. That makes Delta better. Personally, I’ll say that’s the only real difference.
Leave it to a "O.G" to wade through the PC (bullsit). Much respect for both organizations.
RIP E. D. Case [SF] and J. Lee [75th Rangers] you are not forgotten from your medic brothers.
That means nothing. Both units have the same people. Doesn’t matter if it’s internal or external.
@@DocAllen424 so Uber, Lyft, and public transportation is like having your own vehicle, right. You go ahead and keep believing that.
…and SEALS TEAM 6 can only have SEALS. Delta can have people from every branch, even SEALS. If an AF combat controller is not only the best at his job, is physically and mentally capable, has the aptitude, he maybe invited to attempt the qualification course.
What about 24th STS? I mean they do fall under the command of Delta at times as I understand and are basically part of Delta..but I've never been sure exactly where they fit in aside from being the air force's top tier 1 unit
@@dangerouseducation40 are they self supported? They are not. They are a JSOC asset. Doesn’t mean that they aren’t good, I’m just saying that they don’t have their own procurement processes apart from big Air Force and can’t function independently.
Thank you for your service guys ❤
🔥🔥🔥 Interview Kevin Holland….He was team #6 AND later Delta. And he’s honest.
All these high level guys deserve praise and respect from all ! I respect every man that dedicates his life to the safety and protection of others ! Salute to all our servicemen out there !
The difference between dEVgru and CAG. A delta operator thinking to himself “ we will straight up out badass you, teammate wise, individual wise and wipe the floors with you then won’t bother writing a book to prove it.”
@@Cornbread_2401 i personally know a couple of seals I graduated grad school with. Completed changed my outlook on seals I bumped into overseas. I consider them good friends and they are nothing like Hollywood seals. Then again most seals that write books are devgru. I joke with them all the time saying they act way too much like a green beret, chill and quiet professionals. They have good sense of humor and very humble. They are willing to teach and also take advice due to their transition phase back into the civilian sector. The ones that realize that what they did in the military don’t really mean anything back in the civilian sector. It’s what u know presently that matters. It’s really a humbling experience when im just an army vet and a SEAL thanking and asking for advice. I personally know an army SF, ranger and reached out to Tom satterly. He is by far one of the coolest operators I got a chance to briefly talk to. I personally don’t know any devgru guys and don’t really care. End of the day it comes down to how does that person treat me as a civilian. I graduated grad school with a marine raider and we bumped heads. Guy was a transitioning E-8 still with that military mind set. I was an E-5 with way more civilian and govt work experience but he was stuck on being him. He didn’t like it that I confronted him about it but we kept things professional not arguing like high school kids. Oh and just my personal opinion, I really do think delta would wipe the floor with DEVGRU.
Bills aren’t paid without money
Do the men in uniform turn you on? Which ones make you more horny? The sailors or the army studs?
If ur honor and morals and dedication to ur team members r for sale, then maybe u shouldn't be on the team.
Wow! All the SEALs I’ve heard talk about Neptune Spear credit the awesome intel for the success of the mission
The intel WAS pretty good, and that CIA lady really worked her ass off. That being said, she DIDN'T have all the facts together at the time the mission was launched. At the end of the day, all she had was a REALLY educated "hunch"(which turned out to be correct). So I could see why DELTA refused to pull the trigger on the op.
All the books i read on them tells me that they do not brag or boost, infact every book nomatter who's it was each seal would say they we're not the best in their units. I don't understand why a lot of people claim they are braggers. And i never hear them say anything negative about delta.
@@mikefitzpatrick43 I think the delta guys are more critical because of the culture of their unit they just seem to be extra squared away. But also remember like the guy said. Several guys have gone from ST6 to Delta but no one goes the other way. I think that says that even people on the teams view Delta as being a step up.
@@darkcircle899 because delta ops would have to go through buds plus deployments and then green team selection. many st6 ops say green selection is already harder than buds plus army dudes don't like water. buds isn't like the old days, the competition just to become a seal is so much harder than 2001 that's why it inflates their ego even more. you gotta think since they got so much ego and pride and wanna do shit, they only think about kicking shit in. if everyone is already a tier 2 and you can only become delta from there they are obviously gonna chose the easier route
I had a friend that was a Ranger and he talks EXACTLY like the dude at 27:06. With the pauses, the "right" with the pause... everything. RIP man, he was a cool dude Jim Fisher was his name.
Brian Cox is a great actor, of course he comprehended the art of speech. But I didn't knew he served in the Delta.
I was a 2nd batt Ranger for 6 of my 8 yr active duty.
Ive trained with SEAL, Marine Raiders, PJs, SAS. We all have special jobs. I couldn't say who was better
Thanks guys for doing what you do..
I feel all special force groups are special in thier own way!
The fact that Rob O’Neil said out loud in an interview that Seals will exaggerate or lie about stories that aren’t true is wild considering so many people are coming at him recently about the lies he has allegedly told about killing OBL. He is laughing and admitting that what comes out of my mouth may not be true.
I worked around the SEALS in Iraq . Very young inexperienced they where just some kids with no idea what they where doing on a first Calvary Division battle Field.
The most important question of course is, which unit is more diverse and inclusive with better DEI training? That was a joke.
😂😂😂 yup!
Both badass. Met one of each. Delta guys are off in a good way for what they do. Controlled psychopaths but in a covert way. Seals are more open. Hats off to all. Very few make it.
Amazing video thank you!
So wild how much tier 1 content is online now lol they used to be so mysterious
Makes me think if there’s something better then those two groups mysteriously that America is not telling us
Probably not, they recruit from the US population. Vaxxed LGBT gen z.
If you pay attention to the numbers you would see that these guys are not being replaced.
Recruiting is a major problem especially with the special forces.
Opening the door a crack and letting people peak in might bring in some much needed people to fill some spots.
It’s the same reason they let Tim Kennedy fight in the UFC and have a tv show while still in the military.
As an outsider looking in it would seem the SF we’re too good at being the “Silent Professionals”
Also it lets our enemies out there hear some of the stories and maybe think twice about trying to get cute.
I could be wrong though.
Cheers.
Doesn’t make them any less lethal
The most secretive military, non 3 letter, group is Activity. Notice how even Unit and DEV guys will talk about how they "worked with a unit out of VA". Worked with a "special Intel unit". NO ONE talks about activity
This is every Reddit/Quora argument made into one video, haha. Also, I LOVE how Shrek answered the "carjacking" question..WITHOUT confirming or denying that the Unit teaches those skills.
Well, it's not like he can or even should answer those questions. Training details are likely under NDA.
If I’m a Devgru guy I would say we’re the best as if I was a CAG guy I would say the same . I honestly don’t care who’s better both are the best of the best and I can sleep at night knowing those guys are out there n will defend our country with no questions asked
Respect Spartan ❤
I have a question though. DEVGRU rescued the American and I believe a doctor from the Netherlands in Africa a few years back. CAG always says that hostage rescue is their bread and butter, which it really is. I’m wondering why you guys were chosen to complete that mission. I’m guessing it was who was ready and available at the time or something you just can’t say. I’ve worked with both army and navy operators and they both had me fanboying. I ran more missions with the army side of the house being former Army, but damn you guys are just incredible. All of you. Someone asked me how it felt and I said it’s like being in a fight with Jesus holding the rifle next to you 😂 you guys are always calm in the chaos. Respect
There's a DevGru Operator who became a 160th 60 Aviator: Gary E. He came into the navy with an ATP license.
Yes thank you so much for the information explaining the differences and similarities of each unit👍
What VanSant said without saying is that the units are very similar, and the unit who gets the mission is a highly political process of who is in most favor with the politicians at the time etc. It's no accident that the Navy SEALs came online when they did because Kennedy was a navy guy. Politics plays a greater role than people talk about. And the role of the military is to carry out the policy of the US govt, so there's the relationship between which unit gets picked and for what mission.
So here we are in 2023 and this delta dude flat out says there is no difference in ST6 or Delta Force today. I take from his statement that when he says ST6 and the unit are interchangeable means you will get the same result. So, over the years my guess is that these groups have made adjustments to how they do things. It is also noted that when interviewing guys who served say in the early 2000’s to say 2015, they can only speak to their experience of the time frame when they served. Striving to be better is how it works. I am thankful that these amazing badass warriors represent America.
Ones navy ones army, ones blue ones green, to be a devgru member you have to be a seal already (congratulations x x x) delta you can come from anywhere in the military, the ranking structure is different the slang and language, there technics are different, on specific will be called out if its in near water or in water! There completely different my friend! Im pointing out stuff you probably already know, all the best love from London and Dublin x
It's B's. Delta guys don't go to seal team 6 because of the water. A heard a SBS guy say there and the seals training is harder because of the water element. Something about cold dark deep water seperates the men from the boy's
@mikefitzpatrick43 did you seriously just called the Delta Force "boys"?????
think about it tho ... if ST6 is as good as SFODA ... that's in addition to having the water skills better than all. So..what's that mean..?
Delta guys beat ST6 guys in swimming competitions though
You should interview Drew Mullins, who was a Navy seal and in an Army SMU.
I'll just admit that the men that make up both Delta and SEAL team 6 are bad MF'rs
I feel the same
I knew an OG SEAL that went directly from BUDS to Nam. The OPS they had to run in Cambodia and Laos were insane. Totally insane. Nobody was better than those guys, period.
Best way to compare- how many SEALS get turned away from D vs the other way around? Delta is obviously top of "known" food chain.
You got delta operaters telling you they are basically the same but you fanboys just can't reason with that lol
Key word known!
Delta-quiet professionals. SEALS-authors, actors, podcasters.
(Day 1)
Gov’t: JSOC, I need you to do a mission of the utmost importance.
Delta: No info? We pass!
Devgru: Who we killing?
(Day 2)
Gov’t: Here’s the mission, kill or capture Bin Laden
Rob O’Neil: 🤔💭📚
Delta/CAG: 😭
Here's another thing that gets overlooked, you can go from high school, to Navy bootcamp to BUDs, pass and become a SEAL. You can't go from high school to Army bootcamp to Delta selection course to Delta. What they said about DEVGRU selection also having an element of "it's who you know" involved...that's not how it works in CAG.
Cool recap.
Rob said it "SEALS will tell stories even if it is not true" Delta all day baby!
Oh, and my vote which is meaningless cuz I was not in either unit…CAG, all day all night every time. Besides, I’m retired army….go green. Mad respect for the blue guys too! Both are best in class in the world.
You know how to tell if a guy is a Navy SEAL? Give him :30 seconds and he will tell you.
Too funny. Every forner Viet Nam era SEALS I met, it was like the hardest group to get it out of them that they were SEALS. My favorite one was a down and out one who was medically discharged after jumping out of a helicopter into water and breaking his legs. I asked him what branch he served in armed forces, he said "Navy". I asked him what he did. He said, "I kept the water clean". This was in '91.
@@8kigana Vietnam was half a century ago, there's been a lot of change since those dudes
@RyTrapp0 I was describing the difference between those two groups from two different eras and my personal experience meeting them, of course everyone know the changes.
Shrek may be an army guy, but he sure swear like a sailor!
Shrek makes ❤ to SEALS to produce sailors....
Awesome video, I really enjoyed all of the interviews. I have to say though that retired SGM you interviewed at the end. That guy is scary as fuck. I would not want him mad at me. That is a killer right there. Retired Army SFC here no Special ops though Just an Airspace/Air Traffic guy.
When I graduated the green berets, I had army on one side of me and navy on the other side of me asking which one was harder, like parents asking which one do you love more, I was like "nah yall can't do this to me"
Bob Keller is a firearms instructor in my area. I've taken his weekend course. I've never met anyone like him and the way he speaks and the stories he tells and the way he tells them is scary. These guys are smart, fast and straight-up killers. This isn't gangster shit. Imagine an elite-level doctor with all the training and knowledge and experience that it takes to be in that position. Now imagine that same person with the same level of training and thoughtful professionalism, except instead of saving lives their job is to end them. That's how good these guys are. They are the best professionals in the world at killing the enemy and they are the elite superstars of that art. They spend their entire careers analysing how they can become better killers.
Pat Mcnamara will tell you the differences between the two.
You should talk to some former RRC operators
Hi David. Where do I find the entire interviews for these gentlemen, especially the last gentlemen? Please respond and let me "us" know. Great work, my man!
Not David, but I had the exact same question. All interviews are on his channel. The last guy is John "Shrek" McPhee. Just search David and John's name and it'll pop up.
I think Delta was modeled after the British SAS and (correct me if I am wrong) most SEALS would admit that SAS is the best at shooting, just based on training (there are fewer SAS than SEALS). So from that I would assume Delta is better.
I put the roof on ST6's kill house.very impressive building.moving bulletproof walls.overlook walkways.furniture,the whole nine yards.
Did you help build the Bin Laden kill house at "The Point" in Hertford, NC It's a CIA site where tier 1's practice missions before they go if they have time.
@@Montweezy you mean the old blackwater site?but the answer is no I did not.i did do work on Blackwater,when I worked for Gordon Sheet Metal.
@@ronaldbryant9193 No it's something called "The Point" in Hertford,NC I just know it's heavily guarded whatever it is. I think Blackwater is in that area around the great dismal swamp. Or used to be. It could be the same place for all I know. I just heard some Devgru guys talking about it. One of those Seal's was my cousin's best man in his wedding.
31:15 is why Shrek is an absolute savage with his responses 😂
Perfect answer. Every terrain has it’s Force
I never get bored of hearing Shrek tell stories! Man is a fuckin living legend
Both units sounds like fun 🫡
Tim Kennedy said it best: better at what?
I used to be friends with a guy who was a Marine and taught urban combat to other Marines. He said to me once (and you can decide for yourself if this is true) that the Delta guys are expected to be "robots who kill on the push of a button," whereas Marines are supposed to make decisions more like a human.
Does anyone notice when David says he talked "to the guy who killed bin laden, Rob oneill", how their facial expressions change? I wonder why that is? 😏
yes, everyone unit guy either chuckles n smiles or looks away, they know the real. fuck rob even said that seals like to make up stories lmao.
Great vid who has the best kit
My best friend rip was Force Reason in late 90s and at that time he said delta force.
Everyone who brings up DevGru going Delta and not vice versa doesn't understand why this is the case and it's not the gotcha that they think it is. The reason Unit guys don't go to the DevGru is that they aren't qualified as a walk on to DevGru selection, but DevGru guys are qualified as walk on to Unit selection. And it's not about which is better, it's about SQT. Everyone focuses on BUD/s, but they don't grasp the fact that BUD/s is just a minor blip in becoming a SEAL. There's another close to 2 years of SEAL Qualification Training, that is a requirement to become a SEAL, no matter how much of an Apex Meat Eater you are. The guy that was a DevGru operator that reenlisted Army to go to the Unit when 9/11 kicked off explained why he went that route. Some of his buddies that were in the know told him that the Unit was already involved and that would be the quickest way for him to get in the action, so he went Unit instead of going back to DevGru.
At the end of the day, who's better really comes down to one thing: Who's closer and more ready to go on a particular mission. Either organization will get the job done just fine.
100% false
Fact. Guys that can’t make it through green team sometimes try the alternative. I have never heard anything besides that.
@@ianroy4799lol no it's not
Well if they’re already in devgru and leave it kind of coincides with what these delta guys are saying. Why would you downgrade? You wouldn’t. Hence why you don’t see anyone going from delta to st6. If all of them got out and had to go through a waiting period to try out for st6 vs going straight to delta selection then what you’re saying would make sense.
Exactly. You can’t just walk into Six from Delta. You need to be a white side SEAL with multiple deployments. Even if a Delta guy got out, he’d likely be too old to start over at BUDS, let alone make his way all the way to six.
That last fella knows!
To be completely honest,if I was in trouble and needed help I would definitely be confident in either group coming to get me because each one is more than capable of kicking the hornets nest and not getting stung
Rename this to: Early GWOT Delta guys try to explain Seal Team 6 😂😂
This entire channel should just be what is the difference between 2 units I already explained over 900 times.
Just try out for the damn teams at this point
@@voidwalker9223
No one cares what you say though
@@russellridge8623you did because you replied nerd
Yeah this video would be much better if they actually had some more ST6 guys to comment
@@Cornbread_2401 100%. 2003 ST6 is not even remotely close to 2023 ST6
I heard one Delta guy say that Delta guys are better divers and swimmers than Seals. I wish I could remember where I saw this interview.
I Think That Guys Name Was Dale Comstock He Was A Former Delta Guy I Found A Lot Of What He Was Saying A Little Hard To Believe He Almost Made It Sound Like Delta Force Created The Universe 🤥
@@jaybennett9026 Sir, I will not abide your anti-Delta creationist views.
@@KNIGHTJUMPS I Have No Idea What You Are Talking About But O.K.😁
its like the difference between an assault rifle and a marksman rifle. they're both absolutely lethal, and sometimes there's some overlap between them, but it depends on what you need it to do.
That last dude definitely has an axe to grind with the seals 😂. And as far as DEVGRU not having any Intel on bin laden, if you listen to Rob O'Neil talk about the raid, he specifically says the Intel that they were given, as far as how many people to expect, who is inside, even down to where bin ladens son would be, was 100% accurate, so saying they had zero Intel is clearly not the case.
That's really only part of the picture. Sounds like Delta likes to leave nothing important to chance.
My question: is ST6 or Delta better at certain missions in specific geographical regions, e.g. would ST6 be better equipped and organized to take back an offshore drilling rig than Delta? Conversely, would Delta be better storming a desert bunker? Are their operational capacities identical? Any operators or former military know the answer?
Real Talk
The question is, who would you rather come save you. We all know - you would pick the Unit
An interesting spread of views to hear as a Brit! Thank you!
I think the earlier contributions sum it up quite well. Delta learnt the craft from the most experienced and professional outfit in Malaya. The UK/New Zealand/Rhodesian SAS. Who proved that outsiders can defeat an enemy in the most inhospitable terrain on earth, the Jungle (closely followed by Wales and Scotland - wet, very cold and muddy!).
Delta chose individuals who can operate alone, selection is more lone based, rather than the team based selection process of the Navy. No muscle Mary's that stick out necessary. British are shorter, skinny (some even appear fat); but can out run, and out think the best of them, with very little support, money or technology dependent. It is those qualities that the Unit has adopted, along with a broader selection pool.
The UK SBS and SAS interchange, and select from all units (although the SAS mainly tend to come from the army/RAF Regiment) One big difference, is that many believe the SBS are a tougher more secret outfit, as they can do most of the what the SAS do (RM Mountain Leader course is the longest course in the military); but they then have to do the water based stuff.. climbing oil rigs in the North Sea with heavy kit; kayaking and carrying that kit a very long way!!! Tend to be more of a secretive unit than the SAS. An older unit than the SAS too!The SAS excelled in Mobility Troop which led to the most significant engagement of the first Iraq War. Zero 6 Bravo, 50 SBS a Delta member 1000 miles behind enemy lines; an escape and invasion from 100000 Republican Guard raining down on them.
I would also add, that UK SF due to size, rotate between the different troops - mobility, Air, Mountain and Boat troop; whilst also rotating on anti terrorism duties. Lots of tools in their box.
The SAS also do water based operations, they have a whole boat troop dedicated to it
@@JG-ib7xk Yes you are right, the SAS have Boat Troop which supported the special boat service in the Falklands.
however, the comparison between the two units is significant and acknowledged by SAS members. Firstly, SBS go on and do continuation training in those skills before they are badged. they operate far more frequently and more extensively due to their geography at Poole! A lot more work in submarine, drift diving and dealing with the oil rig/boat rescue; to a much higher standard. Significantly more work using the Klippers and associated kayaks like Nautiraid… members that I have met often comment, they have great upper body strength due to the nature of their work and in some cases, post mountain leaders from the Royal Marines.. , obviously get far more exposure to training maritime skills compared to SAS who are landlocked!
Lets not forget about the SRR, these guys should get some credit too.
Shout out to you guys across the pond!
That's good argument. There are Always Seal guys that want to go Delta but not Heard any Delta want to go Seal.
Chris VanSant looks like just your everyday guy with his glasses and wouldn't assume that he was a top tier elite operator. Like going to his house for a BBQ and then you see the wall of photos and would be like holy crap...😮😮
When I was young talking to the Army recruiter since the Navy recruiter wasnt there, he said if you want to be a Seal after joining Delta, you could but Seals go to the Unit not the other way around.... I don't have a dog in the fight that's just what dude said, bearing in mind he wanted me to join the Army so who knows I guess lol....
Delta force is Air force though
I remeber msg culpepper coming to talk to me when I was a tabbed out e3 saying get ur boots laced up lol!!! And hanging out with sgm ed bugarin damn he still is a stud!!!! RLTW
Delta CANT go to devgru. Because u have to be a seal. That’s why unit guys don’t go to seal team 6. But u will hear many seals say they had Marines, rangers, green berets and more come to try out for seal training.
In my humble opinion as an ex SF soldier with a very short career I think that Delta is the best. No competition. Although, like the one Delta guy said all the international SF soldiers are alike in that they train their asses off. Delta trains up all the services and no other unit invites all the services and that means the best of the best. And the second Delta man talked about building leaders. When I went through phase 1 at Camp Mackall we trained with Marine recon;jungle and desert and with French as well.
If it’s wet I’m going with the frogman, anything else I’ll take the Unit’ eclectic skills.
When Nate said Delta's better because ST6 members join Delta but not the other way around, is that not because ST6 only hires from within the Seals? I've heard Delta hire from a variety of units.
Bro thank goodness our so much for educating people who has no real education on the military. Unit guys can’t go to dev because they would have to be SEALs first
@@Cornbread_2401 Well said brother and true.
🤔 umm & how do you know that for a fact? Because the internet says so. It says publicly known. Key word is publicly! Maybe true or not. Classified info when someone is still active. 😉hooah 🪖 🪂 🇺🇸
Well, you’re wrong. What’s new?
1.) The gentleman you’re referring to who was in ST6 and wanted to come back after 9/11 and joined CAG, he is on record as stating that CAG selection was much more difficult and the CAG guys are more professional and are ahead of ST6 in their tactics and mission sets. He is also on record saying he wished he would have known about CAG much earlier in his career.
2.) The statement about ST6 members joining CAG, but no CAG members joining ST6…he’s not referring to LEAVING CAG to join ST6, he is referring to the lateral transfer between the two Tier 1 units. There is an application process where you can apply to laterally transfer to ST6 or CAG from your respective unit and work within their unit for several years under a special contract. He is saying that there have been multiple ST6 members who have transferred to CAG and even more who have applied from ST6, but you have never seen a CAG operator laterally transfer to ST6. There was a time when JSOC enacted a deal to improve the training and to improve the capabilities of our Tier 1 units that resulted in CAG and ST6 members embedding within each others units in order to share TTPs and get everyone on the same page and build a working relationship between the two units.
3.) If you listen to any of the ST6 guys who talk about the Green Team selection process, they take the majority of guys who make it to their tryouts. They are on record saying that it is a big political ordeal where some guys may be the best of the best, but if they pissed off a ST6 member or weren’t liked, then they would already be pre-selected to fail before they ever get the chance to prove themselves. There are guys who don’t deserve or have the skills to be in the ST6 unit, but because of who they are and how well they’re liked, they are accepted into the teams. The attrition rate is very low. Lastly, if a soldier is able to make it to Delta, there’s no way in hell they are dropping from BUD/S and they could easily make the cut for the Green Teams…
Additionally, the tactics CAG uses is much more difficult and advanced than ST6. For example, when they are assaulting a building, CAG assaults from 360 degrees and from the top and bottom. ST6 assaults a building from front to back, top to bottom.
You know who the unsung heros are - combat controllers who deploy with SEALs, Delta and Rangers.
Before 2005 many say CAG is definitely better. But Gen. McChrystal swaps guys on both sides for training & experience, so ST6 were able to catch up. Since it's been more than a decade of cross-training, it's not hard to imagine they're interchangeable.
yeah no , ones more ambitious (Navy) absolute Solid dudes anywhere that has to do with water
army - the true quiet professionals
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@@m4a1_delta66 I was referring to HVT kill/capture and CQB. Of course they have their own specialties.
I’d love to know what they’d all say if you asked them who’s better between ST6 and CAG v SAS and SBS.
Good question but anytime I’ve seen any of our branches asked about SAS they are quick to say that they are monsters of tier one. They’re a tough breed of people so I wouldn’t be surprised to hear that
@@aaaooo792you would never hear an American tier 1 operator say that the Brit’s are the best. I’m sure both sides respect each other unconditionally
@@dannystoddard1730 I don’t disagree with that. Anyone in those positions are very capable operators regardless of nationality. Like you said I think there’s a respect between them
I don’t know, for me - the first question is a bit silly.
Who is more dominant depends on context no? Delta excels in certain things, Seals excel in certain things - and they both have pros and cons.
Not sure why it’s such a big debate as to who’s better. They’re both America’s tip of the spear and deserve mad respect
It may be a good idea to check out a former US Army MSU (task force orange aka ISA) by the name of Erick Miyares.
Bros only got one facial expression, the same smile every episode non stop.
This last guy john shrek McPhee should have his own show there is something about this guy his eyes have stories people would find gut wrenching but fascinating
I think that’s the exact opposite of what these guys are going for lol
Who was the last guy you interviewed man he was the real deal💯
John McPhee
Who is the last guy, I want to watch the full episode?
What year did Erick Haney write his book??
I’ve heard that it’s common that all these special forces agree that each group is very impressive. But correct me if I’m wrong, most agree that if you need support during a difficult situation, the best group to call is the Rangers.
Yes I just got done stressing that point. And didn't the rangers rescue the lone survivor who just happened to be a seal.
When there's a fake mission going on, Seal team 6 is "chosen" to do it. So much I have learned now.
Who’s better Ohio State or Michigan, totally depends on colour you wear. Same difference here. If you’re green you say ACE, you’re blue you say Devgru.
Delta, because they were modeled off SAS 22, are very self-reliant, it is a priority. Since they come from (typically) rangers and SF groups, they teamwork part is a given and the "qualification" phases are testing individual, personal resilience in the face of total unknown variables. What you get out of it is an elite individual soldier that can handle anything thrown at him (mental fortitude) in solitude, that is an integral part of an elite team. With DevGru, the individual prowess is there, no question, but the emphasis on team mate. Not to say DevGru guys are not individual badasses, they are. The main difference seems to be the "qualification" and Training phase priorities.
I love Keller. He's just a hammer and everything else is nail.