@@youtuberobbedmeofmyname haha true, u could barely make something on normal as byzantium back then but for this strat u had to switch to hard/veryhard - and it was consistent when usually u had to restart game 20 times before u even had a chance to do anything. When I saw his guide about this it was mindblowing lol
This is genius masterwork, as always. I also did something similar after watching your guide, except instead of recruiting a full merc company, I left 1 sacrificial troop in Cephalonia, was good enough bait. Worked like a charm, first try, even though my starting rivalries weren't ideal.
When the Ottomans crossed on the island, I seized the province of Arta from Athens via subject tab, so I didnt have to race for taking Messambria before the Ottomans take Cepahalonia.
This is probably the most efficient use to save monarch points but a lot more ticky. I originally developed Mesembria and stole land from naples, after they get released from aragon, with an alliance with the pope to get me over 75 to remove the assult fort debuff. But it stiffles your early game tech preventing you from fighting the ottomans over the strait and stackwiping them. So I was stuck waiting for the warscore tick but I did use war exhaustion to provoke bulgarian rebels.
I went with a mix of what you've described and Ludi Et Historia's approach. Quick Rundown: 1. Focus Mil, hire L1 Admin and Diplo advisors. Hire an L2 Mil advisor (Morale preferred, but you don't have the cash to reroll for one at the start. Wait till after Serbia, if needed.) And give out the privilege for more mil points. With this much focus, you will have Tech 4 in approximately March of 49. If you get a lucky event (such as those from the Phoenix DLC), you can get it as early as 48. NOTE: this is BEFORE the Ottomans can even get it. 2. Set the development edict in Thrace and begin pumping up Constantinople with ONLY Admin and Diplo mana. Your goal is 30. Why? You will be able to Consecrate the metropolitan once you release Bulgaria. This gives 5 Patriarchal Authority. (It will also speed up ship production, but that's incidental). 3. Important Estates are: Nobility Officer Rights, Religious Diplomats, Institutionalized Klirrikoi. Most people don't think of that last one, but the decision it give sacrifices 5 prestige and legitimacy for 5 Patriarchal Authority. 4. Prioritize relations with Genoa and Venice, even going so far as to move your merchant into Ragusa and Genoa and setting them to Improve Communities. If Venice starts hostile to you, you're looking at March of 46. If they start neutral, you can have it by November of 45. Regardless, it removes the shipbuilding penalty and they will be built _faster_ than if you built them day 1. Your starting fleet is 2 Trade Ships, 8 Galleys, and 6 Transports. You need to construct at least 5 galleys. That will give you a combined 200 cannons for barrages. 5. Release Bulgaria and make them a Pronoia right before you attack Epirus. 6. Vassalize Epirus and take Arta. Their navy is still useful against the Ottomans, but even more useful later on for reasons I'll describe. DO NOT peace them out until after you've gotten the ships started, as the AE will drop Venice's opinion by about 10-15 points due to the AE and them wanting the province. 7. Once Genoa is up to 50, improve with Pope to get the alliance right after starting the ships. (I find Venice frequently rivals them.) 8. Pre-land your troops in your ally of Papal States (if you can). Then declare on Naples the day after Alfonso dies for best results. Based on my few runs, this is about when the Ottomans will be attacking their east. You'll have the superior fleet and army and can crush Naples. If you were delayed, call in the Papal States with the promise of land. If you do, make sure to move troops onto Naples' Provinces first or the Papacy will take them. Peace out for ALL of your claims and give the Papacy Abruzzo. If you're lucky, this will be sufficient land to appease the pope. If not, it's unfortunate, but you can't afford to give them anything else. Do be aware that you want to try and appease them because the Ottoman war is much easier if you... 9. Ally Georgia. Somewhere about here you should have the relations with Serbia to get your gold. Do that and then ally Georgia. They will usually want Canik from the Ottomans, allowing you to call them in, if you didn't piss off the Pope. 10. Ship your troops back to Constantinople. Having boosted Constantinople to 30 Dev, the land you acquired from Naples will give you 100 development, allowing you to repair the army. Then take the Icon of St. Micheal from your religion screen. (Five Patriarch Authority from Consecrating Constantinople and 5 from the Privilege decision.). Then you can take the mission to double its effect. Assuming you're attacking in 47 or 48, you will have MORE Morale and Discipline than the Ottomans. (They get 5% from their tradition and will sometimes hire an advisor. In this case, you match their discipline, but that's still much better than not.) 11. Fight the war. It's hard fought, but you can barrage Gelibolu/Gallipoli and seize control of the straight. It'll be tricky, but you'll have the troop quality advantage. Once you've taken the fort, carpet siege the rest and move your ships to port to trick Ottoman troops into crossing. Block the strait, destroy them, repeat a few times to cull their manpower. Special Note for Events: A. For the Ottoman Pretender, I recommend not even threatening the Ottomans. You get 50 diplo to help develop Constantinople and like 2k manpower. B. For the City Under Siege event, go with the Morale. C. For the Latin Favoritism event, take the gold. The removal of the privilege has nothing to do with Burgher loyalty. D. Keep the Union of the Churches so you can keep your mercs cheap. It's easy enough to remove after you defeat the Ottomans.
@@nehemiahkenny5027 Yeah, the pretenders succeeded in my run and added another 21k troops to the Ottoman army after I had defeated the other 30k. Pretty exhausting having to deal with even more troops when they initially declared on me(probably because I was tech 3 and they were 4).
Guide works very well, some things to add, I've tried this method three times and it has worked twice. I slightly modified it to also release Morea as a vassal and had 2 scutaged vassals. Used these both to build 4 extra galleys as well as a 50% complete heavy. War was relatively easy. Something to add, it seemed that the AI Otto would declare on Athens when I had 2 scutaged vassals . This happened both tests. Basically allowed for a free war on Otto straight after the first war. Followed up with a vassalizing war with Karaman, no Ottoman within 30 years.
Biggest problem I've noticed with Ludi and Red Hawks guide are not that they don't work its the fact that they want you to do crazy min maxing and do everything perfectly in order to pull it off. Then on top of that some of the cheese mechanics they use really screw you long term which they don't show in their "guides" so yea sure the early game is easy but now they just made the mid to late game much harder because your country is usually in shambles by the time their guides are over.
@@darkguild69 Exactly, I don't know those 2 content creators but I've stumbled upon random guides or advice comments, half of which basically involve bankrupting your country, wasting so much mana which could have been spent on development and skyrocketting your aggressive expansion penalty with important neighbors, taking decades just to recover that latter aspect.
Red hawk guides work well for me as long as I closely check the conditions (eg who X has allied/rivaled) and alt f4 if something goes totally haywire. Ludis guides and videos seems console commanded THOUGH
I already started my run on this patch, and I was really excited to see what you do. Very happy to watch and see you go through! Thanks as always for your work.
My first campaign of the dlc was byz the morning it came out, and the intended path + old strat work pretty well. Something about the Ottomans this time means they dont like to declare war on Byz too early, so you can easily get allies in that time to stop them from declaring war on you over someone else. I was able to get all of my army debuffs gone before the war. Waiting for their armies to be in anatolia then bum rushing galipoli while blocking the straight with a bagillion gallies still works. I was able to peace out 100% warscore in 1465 while only occupying european land
AI always DOW weakest alliance web at there border. New Mamluks do not ally "Turkish minor" anymore, because they do not have the dip slots at Gamestart. Result, as long your personal alliance web stays stronger than +1 alliance web of AI nations, ottoman will never Dow you. That's how Byz into HRE emperoship over capital to naes and chatolic religion tactic works. You simply get "stronger allies" than the other nations at Ottoman border.
@@realityisenough you use your mission tree post Epirus war, to get your claims in neaple. Mil access your ally pope, put your army there, through mil access. Now 1vs1 neaple when they get there independence, force Catholic rebels post peace deal (accepte demand, loose the dip relationship penalty for being orthodox). Ally Austria, move capital neaple, enter hre. And ally the typical big boys like burgundy (for BI and taking there land for free)/castille. Now get electors, become emleror, and simply farm +10 ia for new ruler over your starting goverment reform. And prestige in proxy war, to always pump a heir, so that you get directly a new revolt stack for even more IA. Rince and repeat, until you get the vassal swarm in 1500-1550, than go back orthodox, and conquer the world. Your new vassal Typ also offers you the option to annex monarchy vassal dip cost free
6:50 You actually only need 150 opinion with Serbia to get the best odds in that event, not sure if that actually changes anything in the strategy overall though.
I have just tried this guide and it works perfectly. I got 99% score vs ottos in 1455. Two major.things to know (both covered by budgetmonk): it requires some.micromanagement of your fleet and after a while ottos will build ALOT of new ships. You need to be ready for that
he's back bois also i see a lot of people attacking ottomans again straight after for the -5 stab hit which is frankly terrible since you can fabricate on ragusa and attack ottomans day 1 of the peace deal to reseige their empty forts for a white peace and focus on serbia/albania and wallachia while you wait 5 years and saving all that admin wasted on stab. not sure if you are aware but the palace guard do not count toward your force limit so i think they are a really nice addition as well
So, for me, the video mostly worked. Their main fleet went to port to repair, which prevented me from repeatedly smashing into it until it was destroyed, but that wasn't that bad since my navy was large enough to handle it anyways. The bigger issue, which ended the run for me, was Venice declaring on Athens, and coming in with a 32 size navy, and the only way to get them out of the war was to cede all of Athens and Morea to them.
Still need some RNG stuff for the hardest nation. 1 > You need to steal several ships from Epirus. 2 > You need better admirals. 3 > You should get more Ducats from Serbia. 4 > Your island control
great strategy, but it's dependant on eu4 ai so much, that the process is pure pain and agony. plus, beating the ottomans just head on was kinda easy enough. but of course if you get lucky, it's probably the best start for a byz campaign, so huge brain strat
honestly with the bonus morale from navies etc. it is pretty even at sea before considering many opportunities to get lucky. Admiral/trait/capture ships etc. The only real dependence is that the Ottomans do not ally someone with a navy which seems very unlikely in this patch. They do AQ like 90%
@@BudgetMonk In my tests, I have had them ally QA 70%, QA AND France once (absolute garbage and reset run), and Duk the rest of the time. Of course, first change was just released so who knows.
I think they patched it. One stack will stay on the island to capture it while the rest will try to retreat to your stack, I've tried it 5 times and I get the same result. Amazing that every time there's a strat for Byzantium they have to patch it faster than they patch the damn bugs.
Had the same Happening to me 3 times. One Ottoman Stack did not move. On the 3rd try Ottomans for whatever reasons did not send a peacedeal until I unsieged Mesambria. I got really Lucky I guess.
Hi budget munk. Why didn’t you take the Bulgarian provinces by the sea and release the rebels like your earlier strategy’s? You could maybe take clay on the other side of the of the sea or more money? Great strategy in your video, I like your strategies
This is what I advise others to do. You can always deviate if you think you can do better. The reason is because most people struggle to have Bulgarians defect.
@@BudgetMonk Thank you for the reply, was just curious when you made the change in your strategy. I’m playing my first 1.36 and had luck doing the your strategy to kick the Turks out of the balkans after the first war. I usually use my peace to gain the Islands from Venice, Knights and Cyprus, knowing it is not the most optimal strategy (role play).
Handy guide. Certainly invaluable and useful tips. Thank you. I wondered why you didn't vassalise Epirus since that should allow you to rival the Ottomans, but the mission element makes sense. One thing that comes to mind is that it might be easier to delete the fort in Constantinople (heresy I know), since that would make it easier to reconquer later. Also When you are ready for it to fall you might be able to sally out the garrison to speed things up a little. Bulgaria tip was also very valuable.
They only problem with deleting the fort in Constantinople is that you will have much less time to defeat the Ottoman navy. If their navy still has superiority over you then they can cross over the strait to the island and end the war. Assuming the ai has the competence to park their fleet there
It's a very interesting strategy for first war with Ottomans and kudos to you for coming up with that, it's genuine. However I don't think that first war peace deal is the most optimal. What I would aim for in first peace deal is: 1. take byz cores back EXCEPT Edirne 2. take Biga, Hudavendigar and as far to Teke as possible to prevent Mamluks from expanding there. If you take Biga and Hudavendigar then Ottomans will keep their capital in Edirne - less AE with beyliks and AQ, QQ etc. if you trucebreak Release Bulgaria and trucebreak for reconquest and claims on Anatolia. Then just make Bulgaria a non hereditary pronoia and inherit it for free. DoW Ragusa and seperate peace deal Ottomans to shorten truce. By 1460 you can easily have all of yours and Bulgarian cores back, western coast of Anatolia and at least Kosovo for goldmine, if not whole Serbia. That's what I opted for, though I went down the road mercenary road and and just stackwiping Ottomans in Constantinople. It took a fair share of resets but gets job done. You are short on admin and diplo mana for some time, but it lets you conquer the most in a very short time.
Because of the new government reform that gives pretender rebels, the optimal strategy is to covert to catholic and become hre emperor in the early game, then reconvert to orthodox only after you revoke the privilegia or become hereditary emperor. You can get 10 IA every 2 to 4 years from getting new emperors due to pretender rebels.
I am going to play around with byz emp for other reasons. Client states can result in many members in the HRE. However almost any monarchy can do what you just suggested with simply taking the "elective monarchy" gov reform.
It's also a good strategy to fabricate claims on Ragusa and attack them right after 1st war with Otto (they proclaim their independence). Great way to reset truce or/and take money and war reparations. I did it this way in my campaign and with this strategy you take as much land as you can + money without reparations in 1st peace deal. Anyway stategy in video looks great, different than any other in YT I saw last few days. I used similar strategy in my last campaign as Morroco. Vassalize Granada as soon as possibile, enable scuttage and then bait Iberians to cross gibraltar, block strait and stackwipe them few times. In my campaing as Bizz I had lucky and Otto attacked Karaman, which was allied with Mamluks. People said that starting as Bizz is going to be much harder now, but I restarted once or twice before succesful 1st war.
Hey monk great video as always, can you pls explain what's the point of encircling the bulgarian province instead of making the previous peace deal (taking cores and blocking sea access) and taking more provinces in anatolia?
I'm also curious. Blocking them off the coast is not enough? Also, i didn't even know the entire country breaks free, including non-occupied provinces.
@@Hlodolog They can get access from around the Black Sea. Also can have a war nearby and as eg. land in Albania. I think that it works that if country exits, it defects province by province but if there is no tag, it breaks free with all cores that are held by the country where the breakout happens.
It's so that rebels take the province and the ottomans have no way of defeating them - causing the Bulgarians to pop out as a new free country, which you can then immediately conquer. He showed it in the video...
On my Byzantium runs I do such steps: 1) Increase relations with Pope/Serbia/Hungury with purpose to ally them. Pope and Serbia for focuses and Hungary for help aganst Ottomans. Maybe Albania is good choice too, but I didnt care 2) Making Epirus vassal and getting claims on Naples. After Naples became independent I rivaled him and conguered two states with money 3) When provinces cored and I have miltech 4 I declare war against Ottomans. All time before war build galleys for having superority and blocking strait, pretty old strategy. I failed a lot because thought that building galleys for 1000 days makes no sense, but it is. You can build 6 galleys minimum before first war with Ottomans and continue to build more. Also your vassals will help you to win main naval battle for strait control. 4) All this time I try to resolve starting debuffs, its not that hard actually. Make sure estates are loyal enough to revoke those horrible priviligies. So by 1453-55 I have pretty powerful state. I think this strategy is pretty reliable and you may even do not need restart a lot. I think its very good to obtain foothold in Italy early for future expansion to Rome and Tunis and its quite easy. For second war with Ottomans I release Bulgaria and return its cores with money and reparations. Also this strategy is offensive so I didnt repaired Theodosian walls and released Orhan to damage Ottomans.
I'm trying this out and I'm getting stuck attacking their navy, I can go back and forth enough to make their main navy retreat to port, but they just hide there for a while, spam galleys, attack my main fleet, and reinforce with all their galleys - using numbers to their advantage. Maybe I should restart for a better admiral...
In every single one of my games Epirus joins Genoa's trading league while at war with me, allowing them to intervene making it extremely difficult then on. However, You can do the poor man's version of this trapping ~90% of their troops in the island letting me crush the remaining troops.
The amount of RNG shit I need to deal with when trying to do this run, from wallachia declaring against ottos and preventing bulgaria from spawning with full cores, to Austria and hungary declaring war on wallachia when I tried to get the cores back.
I never take the northern Bulgarian provinces, just silistre and the Albanian province. It's never happened to me that they get mil access and march around. It would be safer to take Tolcu too, but in my experience its not necessary. I use the warscore to grab forts in Anatolia.
What do you think about the CCR, Culture conversion cost and time in the Armenian MT? Do you think if you do a one tag one faith one culture in the future they’ll be a stepping stone?
Undoable in my game, i have followed your strat, but in ironman mode in december 1445, i get a 29 ottoman navy (11 galleys + 18 cogues) in Biga's port and only 2 barques moving outside... + 54k ottoman stack ! You have played in normal mode? 5 or 6 galleys max against 11 ...
How does he get Ottos to actually move all stacks there. With me even when i use mercs as bait, he never brings more than 2 stacks there (plus qara stacks) and leaves one 15 stack in anatolia...
How about a VH guide next? I'm struggling with that since ottos start with 11 galleys and they build more. Even epirus starts with 3 more galleys than me.
honestly great guide,but i did it at very hard with mercs, tons of loans and assaslting galipolli with the deteriorate army, you basically need naval superriority,it was hard but the loans was the biggest problem,around 1500 i have already stabilized
It didn't work for me. I trapped all their troops, but they didn't panic. I had a 2k stack on the Bulgaria province and an 9k on Constantinople, however they always kept a stack sieging the island, I couldn't get it to move.
I always enjoy playing byz and doing the like 20 restarts. I never thought it was realistic to beat the Turks navy. My strat was Italy then Allie’s then Turks. But this looks so much better due to ridding the church estate modifier.
The guide seems great but I’m having real bad luck with the RNG, lousy admirals, not capturing any ships, ottoman declaring on athens after scutage, ottoman allying nation with more navies. Not sure how I am supposed to take back cephanolia if they take it due to you Having to few ships to leave a blockade there. Probably just a skill issue but i’m at 30+ attempts and I’ve never won. Almost trapped them but it turned out one stack had stayed in anatolia or they built one after being trapped 🙁
Has anybody tried this successfully after the patch? It seems fixed to me, the AI wont ever cross with the entire army anymore, there's always a couple stacks just waiting by, not moving. Edit: I succeeded with this strategy before, its just in this patch that it seems not to work anymore.
Sucks that the naval officer rights estate privilege is locked behind a DLC I don't own, so any admiral I rolled just wasn't good enough to beat the Ottomans 1v1 without Epirus + Athens' fleets to help. Managed to beat the Ottomans anyway through merc spam, but it's definitely less money efficient and if you want to keep the reduced merc cost you're stuck with constantly spawning rebels until you can revoke Union of the Churches. Maybe I should get Domination now that it's on sale.
I think this was done on normal difficulty, it probably works on vh. If it is normal though he won’t do a series on this because he basically only plays vh
I have full sieged Otto's and white peace-ed their little friends but I cant take that peace deal. One province short. Not sure what's up with that. Also its quite finicky to get them all to march over to Cephalonia. Most of the time when I block straits one or two stacks will start marching to adjacent provinces (I assume because of attrition) they will not cancel move even when unblocked and it takes a while until you get lucky sequence where they all end up on island together. Unless you fuck up they will end up on island eventually but it might take some time. There is no quick run back to Constantinople to unsiege small garrison as video implies unless you are really lucky. And it is much easier to win naval engagements if you wait couple of years and get burgher carrack/build 4 galleys.
I had the Ottomans ally Ramazan and AQ so the ottomans weren't sending their entire army to Cephalonia, was still able to beat the combined navies of Ottomans and Ramazan though.
Honestly, I think after capturing Gelibolu from the first war. Truce Breaking Ottomans Might be the best move for optimisation. But make sure to improve with other nearby Sunni nations to prevent coalition. Thoughts?
The sea battles took me a lot of Alt+F4ing. Finally managed to do it but Ottomans refused to sent their FULL army to kefalonia. So, for me i didnt worked unfortunatley.
Normally you would be looking for Constantinople to hold while you wear down the enemy fleet. In that case that you do wish the fort to fall. You can only sortie if you have at least 10% of the enemy troops. Meaning if they have over 30k it is not an option.
When you get mil access from Theodore, get access from crimea , move them to crimea , then click to move them back to theodoro, and when the move is locked you cancel mil access from theodoro
even though i like gold guides like this, i would prefer to take the far faster and "max" discount huge merc army strat. 7 years for a single Otto war is too much imo (without inflicting any meaningful damage to their army that could easily go and expand elsewhere the moment you peace out from them, even making harder a case of trucebreaking them if you wish to go that route / even if it costs with restarts).
If you want to do this Strat and are willing to truce break the ottomans, no- cb someone he is allied to or guaranteeing a day after you peace out, his whole army is still trapped and you can fight him again… I would look for Wallachian guarantee or see if Qq in this case has week Allie’s other than Otto. Maybe a karaman or Ramazan alliance/ guarantee…
There is the boon that because they have no "meaningful damage" that they don't get carved up. My first play through I did the dev + reform strategy and carved down the Otto army piecemeal when they attempted to cross. Which created a super Mamluks and Genoa that were more painful to deal with down the line.
I tried several times and it doesnt work on very hard. Ottos start with 33 ships of which 11 galleys. Unless you get some god tier luck and yoink all of Epirus' navy, you just cant beat the Otto navy without Athens. You can get naval supremacy 100% of the time against Otto if you just vassalise Epirus and not destroy his navy instead, but he wont be too happy about it, especially if you reject the Union. On very hard I found it almost trivial if you just ally Serbia and Theodoro and either let the Ottos dow you in which case your navy + Athenes' + Theodoro's is more than enough to outclass the Ottoman navy, and barrage Gelibolu. You might want to draft that early carrack to get enough cannons since ally navy cannons dont count even if attached which is stupid imo since they are blockading with you. Conversely, attack Otto while their armies are in Anatolia and call Serbia in. They will join every time. You'll need to merc out the a$$ to prevent them from crossing back though until you siege down Gelibolu and secure the crossing. If you can get this strategy to work on very hard, I would love to see it. Great video!
I'll try annexing Epirus and releasing him while capturing as much of his navy as possible before full annex. That way you get the morale from the mission and you get a vassal you can scutage while still having use of the Athenian navy. You just gotta yoink Cephalonia from Epirus once you release and scutage them. Converseley, or perhaps additionally, what I found to work 100% of the time every time on very hard Byz is to just take your time building them galleys. If you ally Serbia and Theodoro, the Ottos wont be knocking for at least 3 years if not up to 10. That means you can build at least 8 more gallyes before the first war and maybe 8 more still if Otto is bussy with his Anatolian claims. Takes you 2.8 years per galley in Constantinopole and Mesambria 3.5 years everywhere else. I'm guessing your strategy can still work on very hard if you're willing to delay dowing the Ottos by 3.5 years to get enough galleys.
okay that's fine: first roll otto gets tunis, aq and fars at 47 since i wanted 3 more galleys, secondly at 46 i lose a navy battle at 46, third roll otto 1k go immediately to cephalonia while i won the navy battle, its cursed but maybe after 100 rerolls i will get it lol
4 try i couldn't rival epius and also 21 december 1444 they ally hungary, again 5 try they ally ramazan and meanwhile i capture quite a lot that is up to 4 ships from epius i still lose at december 45, its impossible because i can't roll good admiral
Final edit: I manage to finally do exactly how intended, funny for me i did capture every enemy stack on island first try arriving the same day and i actually screw it over since my cog get locked in but i did it literally second try so for me hardest was just rng for admiral and otto allies, the rest is pure sweet easy. DISCLAIMER - if you don't get good admiral its 1444
Hi! I did exatly everything you did but for some reason i didnt get black flaged when i declared war against the ottos… i tried watching the video again but i dont know where i failed…
The Byzantium guide we were all waiting for!
Yup. I dont want to bash anyone, but no one does it like budgetmonk.
It all started with Island Trapping & now has finished with Island Trapping
OGs know it started with the AI coalition strat
@youtuberobbedmeofmyname Ah I remember that. Shit was broken. Lol
@@youtuberobbedmeofmyname haha true, u could barely make something on normal as byzantium back then but for this strat u had to switch to hard/veryhard - and it was consistent when usually u had to restart game 20 times before u even had a chance to do anything. When I saw his guide about this it was mindblowing lol
And there it is. Now, the Byz update cycle is complete.
This one is personal. I heard Paradox wanna fight about it?
"How many times do we have to teach you this lesson old man?"
This is genius masterwork, as always.
I also did something similar after watching your guide, except instead of recruiting a full merc company, I left 1 sacrificial troop in Cephalonia, was good enough bait. Worked like a charm, first try, even though my starting rivalries weren't ideal.
Hey how did you cancel the military access to get your troops exiled?
Finally, the video and guide I've been waiting 6 whole days for.
When the Ottomans crossed on the island, I seized the province of Arta from Athens via subject tab, so I didnt have to race for taking Messambria before the Ottomans take Cepahalonia.
You are a lifesaver my friend! I had some damned troops stay on the island and kept losing the race. Thanks!
freaking crazy smart!! well played my friend!!
Always the best Byzantium guides! GG!
This is probably the most efficient use to save monarch points but a lot more ticky. I originally developed Mesembria and stole land from naples, after they get released from aragon, with an alliance with the pope to get me over 75 to remove the assult fort debuff. But it stiffles your early game tech preventing you from fighting the ottomans over the strait and stackwiping them. So I was stuck waiting for the warscore tick but I did use war exhaustion to provoke bulgarian rebels.
I went with a mix of what you've described and Ludi Et Historia's approach.
Quick Rundown:
1. Focus Mil, hire L1 Admin and Diplo advisors. Hire an L2 Mil advisor (Morale preferred, but you don't have the cash to reroll for one at the start. Wait till after Serbia, if needed.) And give out the privilege for more mil points. With this much focus, you will have Tech 4 in approximately March of 49. If you get a lucky event (such as those from the Phoenix DLC), you can get it as early as 48. NOTE: this is BEFORE the Ottomans can even get it.
2. Set the development edict in Thrace and begin pumping up Constantinople with ONLY Admin and Diplo mana. Your goal is 30. Why? You will be able to Consecrate the metropolitan once you release Bulgaria. This gives 5 Patriarchal Authority. (It will also speed up ship production, but that's incidental).
3. Important Estates are: Nobility Officer Rights, Religious Diplomats, Institutionalized Klirrikoi. Most people don't think of that last one, but the decision it give sacrifices 5 prestige and legitimacy for 5 Patriarchal Authority.
4. Prioritize relations with Genoa and Venice, even going so far as to move your merchant into Ragusa and Genoa and setting them to Improve Communities. If Venice starts hostile to you, you're looking at March of 46. If they start neutral, you can have it by November of 45. Regardless, it removes the shipbuilding penalty and they will be built _faster_ than if you built them day 1. Your starting fleet is 2 Trade Ships, 8 Galleys, and 6 Transports. You need to construct at least 5 galleys. That will give you a combined 200 cannons for barrages.
5. Release Bulgaria and make them a Pronoia right before you attack Epirus.
6. Vassalize Epirus and take Arta. Their navy is still useful against the Ottomans, but even more useful later on for reasons I'll describe. DO NOT peace them out until after you've gotten the ships started, as the AE will drop Venice's opinion by about 10-15 points due to the AE and them wanting the province.
7. Once Genoa is up to 50, improve with Pope to get the alliance right after starting the ships. (I find Venice frequently rivals them.)
8. Pre-land your troops in your ally of Papal States (if you can). Then declare on Naples the day after Alfonso dies for best results. Based on my few runs, this is about when the Ottomans will be attacking their east. You'll have the superior fleet and army and can crush Naples. If you were delayed, call in the Papal States with the promise of land. If you do, make sure to move troops onto Naples' Provinces first or the Papacy will take them. Peace out for ALL of your claims and give the Papacy Abruzzo. If you're lucky, this will be sufficient land to appease the pope. If not, it's unfortunate, but you can't afford to give them anything else. Do be aware that you want to try and appease them because the Ottoman war is much easier if you...
9. Ally Georgia. Somewhere about here you should have the relations with Serbia to get your gold. Do that and then ally Georgia. They will usually want Canik from the Ottomans, allowing you to call them in, if you didn't piss off the Pope.
10. Ship your troops back to Constantinople. Having boosted Constantinople to 30 Dev, the land you acquired from Naples will give you 100 development, allowing you to repair the army. Then take the Icon of St. Micheal from your religion screen. (Five Patriarch Authority from Consecrating Constantinople and 5 from the Privilege decision.). Then you can take the mission to double its effect. Assuming you're attacking in 47 or 48, you will have MORE Morale and Discipline than the Ottomans. (They get 5% from their tradition and will sometimes hire an advisor. In this case, you match their discipline, but that's still much better than not.)
11. Fight the war. It's hard fought, but you can barrage Gelibolu/Gallipoli and seize control of the straight. It'll be tricky, but you'll have the troop quality advantage. Once you've taken the fort, carpet siege the rest and move your ships to port to trick Ottoman troops into crossing. Block the strait, destroy them, repeat a few times to cull their manpower.
Special Note for Events:
A. For the Ottoman Pretender, I recommend not even threatening the Ottomans. You get 50 diplo to help develop Constantinople and like 2k manpower.
B. For the City Under Siege event, go with the Morale.
C. For the Latin Favoritism event, take the gold. The removal of the privilege has nothing to do with Burgher loyalty.
D. Keep the Union of the Churches so you can keep your mercs cheap. It's easy enough to remove after you defeat the Ottomans.
@@nehemiahkenny5027 Yeah, the pretenders succeeded in my run and added another 21k troops to the Ottoman army after I had defeated the other 30k. Pretty exhausting having to deal with even more troops when they initially declared on me(probably because I was tech 3 and they were 4).
"Constantinople has fallen!"
"Just according to keikaku..."
Guide works very well, some things to add, I've tried this method three times and it has worked twice. I slightly modified it to also release Morea as a vassal and had 2 scutaged vassals. Used these both to build 4 extra galleys as well as a 50% complete heavy. War was relatively easy. Something to add, it seemed that the AI Otto would declare on Athens when I had 2 scutaged vassals . This happened both tests. Basically allowed for a free war on Otto straight after the first war. Followed up with a vassalizing war with Karaman, no Ottoman within 30 years.
Very nice.
Bro, you always come in clutch with the guides that ACTUALLY work. Not like Ludi or Red Hawk.
Biggest problem I've noticed with Ludi and Red Hawks guide are not that they don't work its the fact that they want you to do crazy min maxing and do everything perfectly in order to pull it off. Then on top of that some of the cheese mechanics they use really screw you long term which they don't show in their "guides" so yea sure the early game is easy but now they just made the mid to late game much harder because your country is usually in shambles by the time their guides are over.
The guide of Red Hawk required so much rng, while he pretended it didn't. It does feel more realistic though, to ally the west for survival
@@darkguild69 Exactly, I don't know those 2 content creators but I've stumbled upon random guides or advice comments, half of which basically involve bankrupting your country, wasting so much mana which could have been spent on development and skyrocketting your aggressive expansion penalty with important neighbors, taking decades just to recover that latter aspect.
Red hawk guides work well for me as long as I closely check the conditions (eg who X has allied/rivaled) and alt f4 if something goes totally haywire. Ludis guides and videos seems console commanded THOUGH
@@THX-1138The infamous "Manchu guide incident"
Also 100 army tradition in 1500 as Venice or Sardinia (I don't remember)
Age: 46 "this character will die pretty soon"
Meanwhile, my Pronoias' rulers still kicking at age 72
I already started my run on this patch, and I was really excited to see what you do. Very happy to watch and see you go through!
Thanks as always for your work.
My first campaign of the dlc was byz the morning it came out, and the intended path + old strat work pretty well. Something about the Ottomans this time means they dont like to declare war on Byz too early, so you can easily get allies in that time to stop them from declaring war on you over someone else. I was able to get all of my army debuffs gone before the war. Waiting for their armies to be in anatolia then bum rushing galipoli while blocking the straight with a bagillion gallies still works. I was able to peace out 100% warscore in 1465 while only occupying european land
AI always DOW weakest alliance web at there border.
New Mamluks do not ally "Turkish minor" anymore, because they do not have the dip slots at Gamestart.
Result, as long your personal alliance web stays stronger than +1 alliance web of AI nations, ottoman will never Dow you.
That's how Byz into HRE emperoship over capital to naes and chatolic religion tactic works.
You simply get "stronger allies" than the other nations at Ottoman border.
@@aqvamarek5316 That's how Byz into HRE emperoship over capital to naes and chatolic religion tactic works.
WHAT
@@realityisenough you use your mission tree post Epirus war, to get your claims in neaple.
Mil access your ally pope, put your army there, through mil access.
Now 1vs1 neaple when they get there independence, force Catholic rebels post peace deal (accepte demand, loose the dip relationship penalty for being orthodox).
Ally Austria, move capital neaple, enter hre.
And ally the typical big boys like burgundy (for BI and taking there land for free)/castille.
Now get electors, become emleror, and simply farm +10 ia for new ruler over your starting goverment reform.
And prestige in proxy war, to always pump a heir, so that you get directly a new revolt stack for even more IA.
Rince and repeat, until you get the vassal swarm in 1500-1550, than go back orthodox, and conquer the world.
Your new vassal Typ also offers you the option to annex monarchy vassal dip cost free
Same, ottomans take quite awhile to finish off all the anatolian minors in this patch
6:50 You actually only need 150 opinion with Serbia to get the best odds in that event, not sure if that actually changes anything in the strategy overall though.
I have just tried this guide and it works perfectly. I got 99% score vs ottos in 1455. Two major.things to know (both covered by budgetmonk): it requires some.micromanagement of your fleet and after a while ottos will build ALOT of new ships. You need to be ready for that
This is the most genius methood thus far I've seen to defeat the ottobros.
he's back bois also i see a lot of people attacking ottomans again straight after for the -5 stab hit which is frankly terrible since you can fabricate on ragusa and attack ottomans day 1 of the peace deal to reseige their empty forts for a white peace and focus on serbia/albania and wallachia while you wait 5 years and saving all that admin wasted on stab.
not sure if you are aware but the palace guard do not count toward your force limit so i think they are a really nice addition as well
This is by far the most simple strategy to defeat the Ottomans in this patch that I've seen, nice job!
The most famous byz guide againfor the newest Byz DLC! You Sir are an ancient roman gift!
The absolute legend is back, once again.
Thank you monk.
This, this is next level! worked like a charm!
So, for me, the video mostly worked. Their main fleet went to port to repair, which prevented me from repeatedly smashing into it until it was destroyed, but that wasn't that bad since my navy was large enough to handle it anyways. The bigger issue, which ended the run for me, was Venice declaring on Athens, and coming in with a 32 size navy, and the only way to get them out of the war was to cede all of Athens and Morea to them.
You always have the best tips on this game man. :)
Still need some RNG stuff for the hardest nation.
1 > You need to steal several ships from Epirus.
2 > You need better admirals.
3 > You should get more Ducats from Serbia.
4 > Your island control
great strategy, but it's dependant on eu4 ai so much, that the process is pure pain and agony. plus, beating the ottomans just head on was kinda easy enough. but of course if you get lucky, it's probably the best start for a byz campaign, so huge brain strat
honestly with the bonus morale from navies etc. it is pretty even at sea before considering many opportunities to get lucky. Admiral/trait/capture ships etc. The only real dependence is that the Ottomans do not ally someone with a navy which seems very unlikely in this patch. They do AQ like 90%
@@BudgetMonk In my tests, I have had them ally QA 70%, QA AND France once (absolute garbage and reset run), and Duk the rest of the time.
Of course, first change was just released so who knows.
Been waiting for this.
I think they patched it. One stack will stay on the island to capture it while the rest will try to retreat to your stack, I've tried it 5 times and I get the same result. Amazing that every time there's a strat for Byzantium they have to patch it faster than they patch the damn bugs.
I just tried it and was successful. The bit I struggled with was getting them onto the island in the first place! Took me the best part of a year!
Had the same Happening to me 3 times. One Ottoman Stack did not move. On the 3rd try Ottomans for whatever reasons did not send a peacedeal until I unsieged Mesambria. I got really Lucky I guess.
Hi budget munk. Why didn’t you take the Bulgarian provinces by the sea and release the rebels like your earlier strategy’s? You could maybe take clay on the other side of the of the sea or more money?
Great strategy in your video, I like your strategies
This is what I advise others to do. You can always deviate if you think you can do better. The reason is because most people struggle to have Bulgarians defect.
@@BudgetMonk Thank you for the reply, was just curious when you made the change in your strategy. I’m playing my first 1.36 and had luck doing the your strategy to kick the Turks out of the balkans after the first war. I usually use my peace to gain the Islands from Venice, Knights and Cyprus, knowing it is not the most optimal strategy (role play).
You can always count on a Monk byzantium guide every major patch, awesome strat u pulled off there
Lord of byzantium guides strikes again :D
Actual EU4 genius, thanks alot.
Definitely works. Thanks m80
Handy guide. Certainly invaluable and useful tips. Thank you.
I wondered why you didn't vassalise Epirus since that should allow you to rival the Ottomans, but the mission element makes sense. One thing that comes to mind is that it might be easier to delete the fort in Constantinople (heresy I know), since that would make it easier to reconquer later. Also When you are ready for it to fall you might be able to sally out the garrison to speed things up a little.
Bulgaria tip was also very valuable.
They only problem with deleting the fort in Constantinople is that you will have much less time to defeat the Ottoman navy. If their navy still has superiority over you then they can cross over the strait to the island and end the war. Assuming the ai has the competence to park their fleet there
Yep.
Another Byzantium classic
Hey Monk, great video! Wondering what your thoughts were on the free estate heavy ship that takes 3 years to build? Is that something to go for or no?
Great video monk!
Just a heads up guys accepting union means an alliance with Austria and papal states
Great strategy as always, worked first time
Great to hear!
LOL😂🤣 You're a beast, Budget! 🤯😃
Did with like 10 restarts, but it is a pretty good strategy though, still rng-based but very lucrative peace and no catholic union rebels
It's a very interesting strategy for first war with Ottomans and kudos to you for coming up with that, it's genuine. However I don't think that first war peace deal is the most optimal. What I would aim for in first peace deal is:
1. take byz cores back EXCEPT Edirne
2. take Biga, Hudavendigar and as far to Teke as possible to prevent Mamluks from expanding there. If you take Biga and Hudavendigar then Ottomans will keep their capital in Edirne - less AE with beyliks and AQ, QQ etc. if you trucebreak
Release Bulgaria and trucebreak for reconquest and claims on Anatolia. Then just make Bulgaria a non hereditary pronoia and inherit it for free.
DoW Ragusa and seperate peace deal Ottomans to shorten truce.
By 1460 you can easily have all of yours and Bulgarian cores back, western coast of Anatolia and at least Kosovo for goldmine, if not whole Serbia. That's what I opted for, though I went down the road mercenary road and and just stackwiping Ottomans in Constantinople. It took a fair share of resets but gets job done. You are short on admin and diplo mana for some time, but it lets you conquer the most in a very short time.
Nice island trap. Could you make a video how you island trap in Fyn in Denmark. I have seen people trapping the whole empire there.
One day I am going to do a crazy Goatland run. And we will do this on that run.
Because of the new government reform that gives pretender rebels, the optimal strategy is to covert to catholic and become hre emperor in the early game, then reconvert to orthodox only after you revoke the privilegia or become hereditary emperor. You can get 10 IA every 2 to 4 years from getting new emperors due to pretender rebels.
I am going to play around with byz emp for other reasons. Client states can result in many members in the HRE. However almost any monarchy can do what you just suggested with simply taking the "elective monarchy" gov reform.
Good strat that I thought was going to be flawed after the first year... BUT great tactic to take them down.
I held off updating the game until you uploaded a new Byzantium guide. Lol
It's also a good strategy to fabricate claims on Ragusa and attack them right after 1st war with Otto (they proclaim their independence). Great way to reset truce or/and take money and war reparations. I did it this way in my campaign and with this strategy you take as much land as you can + money without reparations in 1st peace deal. Anyway stategy in video looks great, different than any other in YT I saw last few days. I used similar strategy in my last campaign as Morroco. Vassalize Granada as soon as possibile, enable scuttage and then bait Iberians to cross gibraltar, block strait and stackwipe them few times.
In my campaing as Bizz I had lucky and Otto attacked Karaman, which was allied with Mamluks. People said that starting as Bizz is going to be much harder now, but I restarted once or twice before succesful 1st war.
Hey monk great video as always, can you pls explain what's the point of encircling the bulgarian province instead of making the previous peace deal (taking cores and blocking sea access) and taking more provinces in anatolia?
It's guarantee. Monk wanted to make a strat where no AI can give Ottomans access to Bulgaria to deal with rebels
I'm also curious. Blocking them off the coast is not enough? Also, i didn't even know the entire country breaks free, including non-occupied provinces.
@@Hlodolog They can get access from around the Black Sea. Also can have a war nearby and as eg. land in Albania. I think that it works that if country exits, it defects province by province but if there is no tag, it breaks free with all cores that are held by the country where the breakout happens.
It's so that rebels take the province and the ottomans have no way of defeating them - causing the Bulgarians to pop out as a new free country, which you can then immediately conquer.
He showed it in the video...
@@krzysztofmikosz oh right, i forgot they can get access elsewhere.
Budget you’re a God of EU4
This is defo a unique way todo it
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On my Byzantium runs I do such steps:
1) Increase relations with Pope/Serbia/Hungury with purpose to ally them. Pope and Serbia for focuses and Hungary for help aganst Ottomans. Maybe Albania is good choice too, but I didnt care
2) Making Epirus vassal and getting claims on Naples. After Naples became independent I rivaled him and conguered two states with money
3) When provinces cored and I have miltech 4 I declare war against Ottomans. All time before war build galleys for having superority and blocking strait, pretty old strategy. I failed a lot because thought that building galleys for 1000 days makes no sense, but it is. You can build 6 galleys minimum before first war with Ottomans and continue to build more. Also your vassals will help you to win main naval battle for strait control.
4) All this time I try to resolve starting debuffs, its not that hard actually. Make sure estates are loyal enough to revoke those horrible priviligies. So by 1453-55 I have pretty powerful state.
I think this strategy is pretty reliable and you may even do not need restart a lot. I think its very good to obtain foothold in Italy early for future expansion to Rome and Tunis and its quite easy. For second war with Ottomans I release Bulgaria and return its cores with money and reparations.
Also this strategy is offensive so I didnt repaired Theodosian walls and released Orhan to damage Ottomans.
I'm trying this out and I'm getting stuck attacking their navy,
I can go back and forth enough to make their main navy retreat to port, but they just hide there for a while, spam galleys, attack my main fleet, and reinforce with all their galleys - using numbers to their advantage.
Maybe I should restart for a better admiral...
In every single one of my games Epirus joins Genoa's trading league while at war with me, allowing them to intervene making it extremely difficult then on. However, You can do the poor man's version of this trapping ~90% of their troops in the island letting me crush the remaining troops.
Cool guide. Now do a strat for Very Hard. >:)
The amount of RNG shit I need to deal with when trying to do this run, from wallachia declaring against ottos and preventing bulgaria from spawning with full cores, to Austria and hungary declaring war on wallachia when I tried to get the cores back.
I never take the northern Bulgarian provinces, just silistre and the Albanian province. It's never happened to me that they get mil access and march around. It would be safer to take Tolcu too, but in my experience its not necessary. I use the warscore to grab forts in Anatolia.
What do you think about the CCR, Culture conversion cost and time in the Armenian MT? Do you think if you do a one tag one faith one culture in the future they’ll be a stepping stone?
Undoable in my game, i have followed your strat, but in ironman mode in december 1445, i get a 29 ottoman navy (11 galleys + 18 cogues) in Biga's port and only 2 barques moving outside... + 54k ottoman stack !
You have played in normal mode?
5 or 6 galleys max against 11 ...
How does he get Ottos to actually move all stacks there. With me even when i use mercs as bait, he never brings more than 2 stacks there (plus qara stacks) and leaves one 15 stack in anatolia...
im not the best player but still works on current patch! not as clean with unexpected rebels and not capturing any ships.
Idk why but this guys voice very much reminds me of the rome total war alexander narrator voice for the story campaign.
Would the save file still be Iron man combatible?
More important: what would be your Idea choices from here on? Thanks.
I cannot figure out how to get them all on the island. One of the stacks always stands in yanya or something.
the emperor died 3 days into the run 🙏🏿
Looking for good strategy as Byzantium.. meanwhile BudgetMonk.. "Give them basicaly whole your territory, that's where you'll get them" :D
How about a VH guide next? I'm struggling with that since ottos start with 11 galleys and they build more. Even epirus starts with 3 more galleys than me.
yes, i just tried it and it doesn't work on very hard. i was up against 20 galleys.
The true guide
Did you spend diplo points to lower war exhaustion before coring the territory?
honestly great guide,but i did it at very hard with mercs, tons of loans and assaslting galipolli with the deteriorate army, you basically need naval superriority,it was hard but the loans was the biggest problem,around 1500 i have already stabilized
I feel like this doesn't work anymore, when i go to repair my ships the ottomans do the same
It doesn't work, I stuck it on the island, but after taking it, the armies leave the island.
It didn't work for me. I trapped all their troops, but they didn't panic. I had a 2k stack on the Bulgaria province and an 9k on Constantinople, however they always kept a stack sieging the island, I couldn't get it to move.
Claim land from athens to not get to 100%
Dude you are awesome
I always enjoy playing byz and doing the like 20 restarts. I never thought it was realistic to beat the Turks navy. My strat was Italy then Allie’s then Turks. But this looks so much better due to ridding the church estate modifier.
Any tips for very hard difficulty other than stacking mercs?
The guide seems great but I’m having real bad luck with the RNG, lousy admirals, not capturing any ships, ottoman declaring on athens after scutage, ottoman allying nation with more navies.
Not sure how I am supposed to take back cephanolia if they take it due to you Having to few ships to leave a blockade there.
Probably just a skill issue but i’m at 30+ attempts and I’ve never won. Almost trapped them but it turned out one stack had stayed in anatolia or they built one after being trapped 🙁
Not a criticism, just not sure what I’m doing wrong 😂
Has anybody tried this successfully after the patch? It seems fixed to me, the AI wont ever cross with the entire army anymore, there's always a couple stacks just waiting by, not moving.
Edit: I succeeded with this strategy before, its just in this patch that it seems not to work anymore.
Worked for me pretty good as of now, finished the war with 0 loans. best byz strat I’ve ever used tbh,
did u hire mercs on the island?
What DLCs are you using if you have expansionist zealotry
Sucks that the naval officer rights estate privilege is locked behind a DLC I don't own, so any admiral I rolled just wasn't good enough to beat the Ottomans 1v1 without Epirus + Athens' fleets to help. Managed to beat the Ottomans anyway through merc spam, but it's definitely less money efficient and if you want to keep the reduced merc cost you're stuck with constantly spawning rebels until you can revoke Union of the Churches.
Maybe I should get Domination now that it's on sale.
Even if you dont have the dlc , the strat works , tried it without the king of kings, just need to repair to port in Athens and before the month pass
maybe do series from this campaign i would watch it
I think this was done on normal difficulty, it probably works on vh. If it is normal though he won’t do a series on this because he basically only plays vh
ok after a lot of loading I got it done, it worked
Eigher they fixed it in the latest hot fix or i had very bad luck with it
I have full sieged Otto's and white peace-ed their little friends but I cant take that peace deal. One province short. Not sure what's up with that.
Also its quite finicky to get them all to march over to Cephalonia. Most of the time when I block straits one or two stacks will start marching to adjacent provinces (I assume because of attrition) they will not cancel move even when unblocked and it takes a while until you get lucky sequence where they all end up on island together. Unless you fuck up they will end up on island eventually but it might take some time. There is no quick run back to Constantinople to unsiege small garrison as video implies unless you are really lucky.
And it is much easier to win naval engagements if you wait couple of years and get burgher carrack/build 4 galleys.
What idea groups would you all recommend?
Quantity. Espionage is what I recommend. The starting age bonus + prestige and orthodox bonus you can get =50% AE
I had the Ottomans ally Ramazan and AQ so the ottomans weren't sending their entire army to Cephalonia, was still able to beat the combined navies of Ottomans and Ramazan though.
I can't make it work, half of their army stays on Anatolia and never comes to the island. Not once have they all attempted to take the island.
Spawn some more troops if this happen in the island to make it more '' challenging " for them,might work
Honestly, I think after capturing Gelibolu from the first war. Truce Breaking Ottomans Might be the best move for optimisation. But make sure to improve with other nearby Sunni nations to prevent coalition.
Thoughts?
I did that and it works ok but i feel that attacking ragusa and reseting the truce just for white peace or money is way better
@@PokeekoI’ve had games where Ragusa allies someone major and it ain’t an possibility. But your idea works better in 80% of situations.
The sea battles took me a lot of Alt+F4ing. Finally managed to do it but Ottomans refused to sent their FULL army to kefalonia. So, for me i didnt worked unfortunatley.
cant you just sortie from constantinople to make it fall faster?
Normally you would be looking for Constantinople to hold while you wear down the enemy fleet. In that case that you do wish the fort to fall. You can only sortie if you have at least 10% of the enemy troops. Meaning if they have over 30k it is not an option.
Thanks alot !
thank you man
How did he get exiled in Theodoro? I`m probably doing something wrong, but the forces just go back to normal maintenance
When you get mil access from Theodore, get access from crimea , move them to crimea , then click to move them back to theodoro, and when the move is locked you cancel mil access from theodoro
In most videos I’ve seen you can add up to six privileges to your estates, but in my eu4 I can only give four.
Why?
You have dlc king of kings ?
@@P_Tire_j yes
if the ottomans is about to full seige you, seize arta from athens
even though i like gold guides like this, i would prefer to take the far faster and "max" discount huge merc army strat. 7 years for a single Otto war is too much imo (without inflicting any meaningful damage to their army that could easily go and expand elsewhere the moment you peace out from them, even making harder a case of trucebreaking them if you wish to go that route / even if it costs with restarts).
If you want to do this Strat and are willing to truce break the ottomans, no- cb someone he is allied to or guaranteeing a day after you peace out, his whole army is still trapped and you can fight him again… I would look for Wallachian guarantee or see if Qq in this case has week Allie’s other than Otto. Maybe a karaman or Ramazan alliance/ guarantee…
There is the boon that because they have no "meaningful damage" that they don't get carved up. My first play through I did the dev + reform strategy and carved down the Otto army piecemeal when they attempted to cross. Which created a super Mamluks and Genoa that were more painful to deal with down the line.
@@jonathanlaulund3027his army would be blackflaged and be free to return to mainland...
if they didn't screw with the straits crossing mechanic you wouldn't need to cheese this hard
I tried several times and it doesnt work on very hard. Ottos start with 33 ships of which 11 galleys. Unless you get some god tier luck and yoink all of Epirus' navy, you just cant beat the Otto navy without Athens. You can get naval supremacy 100% of the time against Otto if you just vassalise Epirus and not destroy his navy instead, but he wont be too happy about it, especially if you reject the Union. On very hard I found it almost trivial if you just ally Serbia and Theodoro and either let the Ottos dow you in which case your navy + Athenes' + Theodoro's is more than enough to outclass the Ottoman navy, and barrage Gelibolu. You might want to draft that early carrack to get enough cannons since ally navy cannons dont count even if attached which is stupid imo since they are blockading with you. Conversely, attack Otto while their armies are in Anatolia and call Serbia in. They will join every time. You'll need to merc out the a$$ to prevent them from crossing back though until you siege down Gelibolu and secure the crossing.
If you can get this strategy to work on very hard, I would love to see it. Great video!
I'll try annexing Epirus and releasing him while capturing as much of his navy as possible before full annex. That way you get the morale from the mission and you get a vassal you can scutage while still having use of the Athenian navy. You just gotta yoink Cephalonia from Epirus once you release and scutage them. Converseley, or perhaps additionally, what I found to work 100% of the time every time on very hard Byz is to just take your time building them galleys. If you ally Serbia and Theodoro, the Ottos wont be knocking for at least 3 years if not up to 10. That means you can build at least 8 more gallyes before the first war and maybe 8 more still if Otto is bussy with his Anatolian claims. Takes you 2.8 years per galley in Constantinopole and Mesambria 3.5 years everywhere else. I'm guessing your strategy can still work on very hard if you're willing to delay dowing the Ottos by 3.5 years to get enough galleys.
Just discovered you cant release Epirus as a vassal if you full annexed him.
okay that's fine:
first roll otto gets tunis, aq and fars at 47 since i wanted 3 more galleys, secondly at 46 i lose a navy battle at 46, third roll otto 1k go immediately to cephalonia while i won the navy battle, its cursed but maybe after 100 rerolls i will get it lol
4 try i couldn't rival epius and also 21 december 1444 they ally hungary, again 5 try they ally ramazan and meanwhile i capture quite a lot that is up to 4 ships from epius i still lose at december 45, its impossible because i can't roll good admiral
Final edit: I manage to finally do exactly how intended, funny for me i did capture every enemy stack on island first try arriving the same day and i actually screw it over since my cog get locked in but i did it literally second try so for me hardest was just rng for admiral and otto allies, the rest is pure sweet easy. DISCLAIMER - if you don't get good admiral its 1444
Hi! I did exatly everything you did but for some reason i didnt get black flaged when i declared war against the ottos… i tried watching the video again but i dont know where i failed…
maybe you allied theodore ?