@thestudentYT This is just sick; what the heck! I love your videos but this might be my favorite so far! Btw, just a little personal service announcement here - you actually pronounce the 't' in 'fort' in English. Don't worry it doesn't actually matter, it's just in case you'd like to know.. now you know. :P
Reinforcing the garrisons with a back row of artillery would make this strategy even better. The extra damage would probably be minimal, but they will give the infantry some extra defensive pips which lets them survive for even longer.
@@danielboone8256 "Additionally, artillery regiments bestow half (rounded down) of their defensive Shock/Fire/Morale pips to the regiment in front of them." From the Artillery section of the Land Units page on the wiki.
Lemoncake missed some really cool global modifiers for Ming, and overfocussed on how powerful Beijing could be since it is a single fort on farmland/grassland terrain. The Wei-Suo System Gov Reform for Chinese Culture Nations gives up to +75% Garrizon Size, +45% Garrison Growth and -50% local recruitment time
I like that the background music is not as loud as before. Now it is actual background music. In regards to the strategy, this is really nice. I always get annoyed when AI just runs away from my armies but here it's not like they can avoid the forts.
Thanks for giving us back the "I am the Student,.. and i will "just tell you something awesome ;)"" thing ! Intro, where things looks crazy, and then that statement.. can't wait to watch, but couldn't resist to post before ;)
This is ironically more historically accurate than for both armies to be totally equal. Not quite to this degree in an outright sortie, but a smaller force could repel a bigger one regularly.
You can use Savoy missions twice for early level 8 forts. First let a vassal savoy use the mission, then you can form sardinia piedmont and use the mission again. Make sure the AI savoy has completed the 2 prerequisite missions first though, as this cannot be done whilst they are your vassal. This enables level 8 forts in 4 predominantly mountainous areas from tech 14 onwards. Or level 6 forts before tech 14. You need to time the following nearly SIMULTANEOUSLY: Diplomatic Annexation The construction of all forts What I like to do is try to let fort construction finish on the 15th and annexation at the end of the same month. If you mess up the timing, the vassal AI will delete the expensive upgraded forts. (Or only leave one or two) You can fine-tune the annexation date a bit by granting and/or seizing a province last minute. Repeating the same process yourself as Sardinia-Piedmont is easy and self-explanatory.
Also to save anybody else the trouble: the Angevin mission is poorly coded. Make sure that you have no more than 20 provinces with a barracks/soldiers household. The mission randomly chooses 20 provinces that fulfill the mission requirement, and from those 20 it selects 5 with a fort to add the modifier. This means that if you have 40 provinces with a barracks and only 5 of those have forts, it is quite likely it will randomly choose 20 provinces with a barracks and without a fort, thus rendering the mission useless.
Yes I knew that but the vassal stuff is really dangerous because the AI really really really wants to delete forts over the current limit... so I had a Milan doing the Mission and I subsidized them with all the Money they had and they still deleted 1/3 forts that they upgraded... and that get's worse if you go further above the current lvl. So it is a nice Idea but it doesn't work in practice trust me I've tested it several times
@@thestudentYT It is extremely finicky. But I confirm that it works. You need a bit of messing around, but the basic idea is that you don't want to AI to have any time to delete the forts. You achieve this by making them complete the mission and you completing their annexation on the same month tick
@krblack4009 Yeah as I said I had 3 Games where I tried using that AI and all of them failed because either it was to late or I was to weak or they messed it up... still not practical at all imo
Uhh... the Maginot Line did work - the germans had to bypass it because they could not get through it if they tried. They would've had a harder time at it too, had Belgium not wimped out at the last moment and refused to work with France.
I would suggest to try this forts build to "ThePlaymaker" but i fear he wouldn't be able to resist the temptation of deleting that maginot line halfway in to the game.
Have you tested if the garrison army damage only affects the garrison? or does it affect all the army as long as the garrison starts the battle? It can be even more broken if paradox didn't consider this.
If you capture an enemy fort, does it get the modifiers? And if they capture your fort, do they get your modifiers, making it harder for you to recapture?
Oh my god think about it Have all your actual force limit be artillery And use superiority wargoals to conquer Only issue is you have to actually siege their land tho :(
Do these modifiers work if enemy actually attacking your fort and tries to storm your castle? Imagine your mp game when someone tries to break through the Maginot and face THIS
@@tucoramirez988 I used the British Missions to get the Cape Province for free after I annexed Granada diplomatically before to gain Maps of Asia... then I chartered Companies up to China and declared war on Shun
What is your army morale based on? The morale of the marines? Then maybe you could drip feed 1k troops every now and then to keep the morale high and not lose.
I mean, thought there are limited amount of tricks you can get in eu4 (and that was like half year ago).. And you keep posting new even more crazy ones every week. I so wish you keep saving some for Parabellum challenge. Are you participating? Coz Florry was right and Habibi wasn't even offended by that... You are fu*king "more creative". It's f*cking time limit and other shit that makes it hard to pull crazy shit, but even if u succeed once, that would be crazy. I would pay a lot for a longer battle between you and Florry, where you have time to pull some of your crazy shit out.
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You want to know where to get all of these modifiers?
Lemon Cake got them all: ruclips.net/video/HaLhWgSuS7k/видео.html
Hi! How both Spain and Castile exists?
@@syn_ukraiiny from the angevin mission
@@thestudentYT thank you, professor.
@thestudentYT
This is just sick; what the heck!
I love your videos but this might be my favorite so far!
Btw, just a little personal service announcement here - you actually pronounce the 't' in 'fort' in English.
Don't worry it doesn't actually matter, it's just in case you'd like to know.. now you know. :P
Shh don't tell the AI they can walk over though the Netherlands ;)
Lucky that I was England before... so that I can have a Maginot Line AND the Wooden Wall xD
it's a trap 🚢🚢
HA?!?!?!?!?
Reinforcing the garrisons with a back row of artillery would make this strategy even better. The extra damage would probably be minimal, but they will give the infantry some extra defensive pips which lets them survive for even longer.
yeah true, but I wanted to let them speak for themselves here :)
Artillery gives infantry extra defensive pips?
@@danielboone8256 "Additionally, artillery regiments bestow half (rounded down) of their defensive Shock/Fire/Morale pips to the regiment in front of them."
From the Artillery section of the Land Units page on the wiki.
@@koolkrafter5 Thanks, bro, I had no idea
The AI gained 47.8 military tradition from that "victory" lmao 15:48
Yeah but all together
@@thestudentYT Their countries learned A LOT from those deaths
i would at any time invest 100k menpower to get 47,8 military tradition lol
good trade
"not that interesting, just a few formables" he says. Also is Emperor of China and has fully upgraded Great Wall of China garrison size modifier. 🤣
Everyone can get that Monument... just accept the culture
Lemoncake missed some really cool global modifiers for Ming, and overfocussed on how powerful Beijing could be since it is a single fort on farmland/grassland terrain.
The Wei-Suo System Gov Reform for Chinese Culture Nations gives up to +75% Garrizon Size, +45% Garrison Growth and -50% local recruitment time
Kills millions for nothing using forts and white peaces… Historical WWI gameplay
When whitepeacing is the biggest show of strenght ever 😂😂❤
It shows that I didn't even care about them trying to siege me down :)
3:00 hearing a German say that is unsettling...
Virgin hiding the capital behing forts vs chad moving your capital to the front for a +1 fort level bonus
pronounce the t in forts or make absolutely cracked eu4 strategy's
the student:
The eastern front in 1575
Its a fun one, combine it with stacking attrition and you can just wait till half the army is dead before attacking it too.
I was thinking the whole time “imagine if he just let each fort attrite until the siege chance is above 0%.•
The best crossover I can ever hope for.
I like that the background music is not as loud as before. Now it is actual background music. In regards to the strategy, this is really nice. I always get annoyed when AI just runs away from my armies but here it's not like they can avoid the forts.
Thanks for giving us back the "I am the Student,.. and i will "just tell you something awesome ;)"" thing ! Intro, where things looks crazy, and then that statement.. can't wait to watch, but couldn't resist to post before ;)
This is ironically more historically accurate than for both armies to be totally equal. Not quite to this degree in an outright sortie, but a smaller force could repel a bigger one regularly.
Imagine if you reinforce with artillery to give defensive pips, they would be space marines
that's basically trench warfare vs pikes
This has got to be turned into a Thermopylae achievement.
This isn't just being fort pilled. This is a level beyond fort pilled.
This is the *Sigma Fort Grindset*.
“THEY WILL HAVE TO PASS ON OUR CORPSES” ahh fort line
I've never seen something like this, bro you just melted them without wasting manpower. I'm surely trying this.
Stalingrad moment
I did know that modifier, just not it's stength, impressive, wonderful discovery mate
The MP meta is about to be wild
It would just get grinded down by merc-spam. Expensive, sure, but if you get caught with your pants down, get rekt son.
going so defensive you actually become offensive
everything is only a circle... you always come out on top ;)
Wiping armies before they even lose half their morale is insane lmao
You can use Savoy missions twice for early level 8 forts.
First let a vassal savoy use the mission, then you can form sardinia piedmont and use the mission again.
Make sure the AI savoy has completed the 2 prerequisite missions first though, as this cannot be done whilst they are your vassal.
This enables level 8 forts in 4 predominantly mountainous areas from tech 14 onwards. Or level 6 forts before tech 14.
You need to time the following nearly SIMULTANEOUSLY:
Diplomatic Annexation
The construction of all forts
What I like to do is try to let fort construction finish on the 15th and annexation at the end of the same month.
If you mess up the timing, the vassal AI will delete the expensive upgraded forts. (Or only leave one or two)
You can fine-tune the annexation date a bit by granting and/or seizing a province last minute.
Repeating the same process yourself as Sardinia-Piedmont is easy and self-explanatory.
Also to save anybody else the trouble: the Angevin mission is poorly coded.
Make sure that you have no more than 20 provinces with a barracks/soldiers household.
The mission randomly chooses 20 provinces that fulfill the mission requirement, and from those 20 it selects 5 with a fort to add the modifier.
This means that if you have 40 provinces with a barracks and only 5 of those have forts, it is quite likely it will randomly choose 20 provinces with a barracks and without a fort, thus rendering the mission useless.
Yes I knew that but the vassal stuff is really dangerous because the AI really really really wants to delete forts over the current limit... so I had a Milan doing the Mission and I subsidized them with all the Money they had and they still deleted 1/3 forts that they upgraded... and that get's worse if you go further above the current lvl.
So it is a nice Idea but it doesn't work in practice trust me I've tested it several times
@@thestudentYT It is extremely finicky. But I confirm that it works.
You need a bit of messing around, but the basic idea is that you don't want to AI to have any time to delete the forts. You achieve this by making them complete the mission and you completing their annexation on the same month tick
@krblack4009 Yeah as I said I had 3 Games where I tried using that AI and all of them failed because either it was to late or I was to weak or they messed it up... still not practical at all imo
The rest of it is interesting stuff that I probably wouldn't try, but after a couple thousand hours, I never noticed that sortie button.
I've known about it for at least 1k hours and maybe used it twice.. It's just a waste of mil points
Especially in the early game having an extra 1k/2k/3k can be what changes a battle. It's definitely situationally useful.
@@DylanSargessoni rely on it a lot early on to make sure a battle goes my way when i need it
I've used it to make sure the sieging army doesn't move from the province when I move my army to intercept. Very helpful.
This video goes insanely hard
15:34 + 47 Army tradition holy shit
I'd make the stacks that bring in the general just artillery (same width as the garrison size).
Sure but I wanted to show the pure Garrison here
The watchers of the wall have returned as france
This would make for an excellent Anbennar scenario
absolutely insane
The Maginot line actually did work. See how we got blitzed through the Ardennes forest and not Alsace :(
Can't wait to see how you push eu5 to the edge
Now that's impressive.
Uhh... the Maginot Line did work - the germans had to bypass it because they could not get through it if they tried. They would've had a harder time at it too, had Belgium not wimped out at the last moment and refused to work with France.
The Maginot Line also involved a Part on the entire Belgian Border but it was so much weaker that it didn't hold anything... so it simply didn't work
@@thestudentYT Isn't the Belgium part called Daladier Line?
Insane
Vauban is impressed and blessing you
These Intros are insane 🔥
It's too bad they fixed the bug where you could merge garrison armies with your real army, 20k free manpower per fort is no joke
9:57 Hm I think i have seen this strat before... 🤔😂
AIs' victories were the definition of pyrrhic. Christ, man, 100 times the losses?
I would suggest to try this forts build to "ThePlaymaker" but i fear he wouldn't be able to resist the temptation of deleting that maginot line halfway in to the game.
I mean if I would always play wide I wouldn't care about defense as well
That is mental. You used a conquest CB, and some of those battles are giving you more war score than a superiority CB would give you.
TIL about defender Sorties
I never knew Arnold Swartsnagger played eu4
Such an extra intro but I am here for it 😂
What a collab
Have you tested if the garrison army damage only affects the garrison? or does it affect all the army as long as the garrison starts the battle? It can be even more broken if paradox didn't consider this.
Idk but I am pretty sure not
Vauban would be proud.
France can finally become a strong nation in EU4
Helloooo i came from the lemon cake :)
We had France do something similar in an MP game. Thank lord I was allied to them cause ain't no way I'd ever fight that 😂
This is crazy...
I wonder if a strategy like this could ever be effective in multiplayer
what ideas you pick?
Defensive Infrastructure Influence Quality
@@thestudentYT for the garrison size, garrison damage and vassal income buffes i guess
Only for the modifiers that I stacked (see the policies) and Quality for the Quality
Why is the French border so far away from the Rhine?
Because it's called the "French Border" and not the "Cologne Border"
I did not know you need 3x the garrison!
Not sure if anyone noticed... but go back and see how much war exhaustion the AI is gaining in each fight. That's ridiculous
If you capture an enemy fort, does it get the modifiers? And if they capture your fort, do they get your modifiers, making it harder for you to recapture?
Yes you get the Global Garrison Modifiers but you cannot sortie from a captured fort
I'm playing a normal Georgia game and thought my forts were pretty decent but nothing like this haha
1.2M losses vs 217k, thats one hell of a k/d ratio
i was trying to figure out how you got that in your community post lol.
Best offence is defence
I always wonder what map mod you use. Your textures are so soothing and nice
theatrum orbis terrarum for 1.3 (i use it too since i saw it on his channel)
Thanks man :) one gotta love the EU IV Community
do the garrison stacks keep their bonuses after the first battle?
yes
@thestudentYT I would love to see what they can do if you drill them then
Oh my god think about it
Have all your actual force limit be artillery
And use superiority wargoals to conquer
Only issue is you have to actually siege their land tho :(
Castile and Spain as subject oO??
Do these modifiers work if enemy actually attacking your fort and tries to storm your castle? Imagine your mp game when someone tries to break through the Maginot and face THIS
Yes and then the defensiveness also counts so you could burn 1 Million Manpower from rushing this... but just waiting for 2 years still works
This is interesting to try but i'm a little bit lost with your timeline. Any chance to see a playthrough of this?
I haven't recorded it but what do you want to know?
@ How do you manage to get the great wall of China monument ?
@@tucoramirez988 I used the British Missions to get the Cape Province for free after I annexed Granada diplomatically before to gain Maps of Asia... then I chartered Companies up to China and declared war on Shun
What is your army morale based on? The morale of the marines? Then maybe you could drip feed 1k troops every now and then to keep the morale high and not lose.
No the Garrison always starts at the maximum Morale that you country Morale is
I thought they changed it so Ramparts could could only be built on flat terrain? Or did they reverse that change?
Idk but you can see how it works here right? ;)
I mean, thought there are limited amount of tricks you can get in eu4 (and that was like half year ago).. And you keep posting new even more crazy ones every week. I so wish you keep saving some for Parabellum challenge. Are you participating? Coz Florry was right and Habibi wasn't even offended by that... You are fu*king "more creative". It's f*cking time limit and other shit that makes it hard to pull crazy shit, but even if u succeed once, that would be crazy. I would pay a lot for a longer battle between you and Florry, where you have time to pull some of your crazy shit out.
and -3% warscore
Its 1380% of garrison not 1280%, cause its 100%+1280%
Castille and spain at the same time?
The Angevin Mission does that
@@thestudentYT thz
How strong is 50% garrison damage?
Same as 50% Infantry Combat Ability... actually better because it's applied after Discipline and so on
What mod is that ?
Mods in the description
How to waste ur mil points 😂. But this is a nice trick.
Waste? I don't think you know what to do with your mil points if you think killing 1.2 M troops for a handful of mil points isn't worth it.
What mod pack is this
Video description