The Biggest Keyboard Hobby Controversies
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- Опубликовано: 8 фев 2025
- In a hobby as big as mechanical keyboards, it's no wonder there has been a lot of controversy over the years - here are a few that I find the most interesting (and I hope you do too) x
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One thing i noticed a lot over the years is how seemingly every year drop will put itself in a major controversy with one of it's collaborator(s) without fail. Be it the earlier holy pandas, the holy pandas x, the mt2 debacle, etc, i steer far away from any drop products because the corporation just feels scummy at this point.
Yea as someone that’s newer to the hobby of all the places to get products drop has easily been my least favorite. Rndkbd, kbd fans, kinetic labs, Ashkeebs, Novel keys etc. just seem like way better companies than drop
@@wolf-xf6hf the only thing drop has going for them is the availability of in stock GMK as far as I'm concerned
I still get stuff through drop but not without expensive research or knowing what I'm spending may be a bit of a gamble.
I'm looking hard at the hifi man planar magnetic headphones he-xx4 or whatever they are called. At the same time I recognize they are a "proceed with caution" organization.
I’m really impressed that you went into the weeds with this one! A lot of newer hobbyists don’t know about Ivan or Team Redline (or the full story of the Holy Panda). Great video, subscribed.
I’ll hold my full opinions on clone keycaps, but as a designer, I’ll say this. I get why people buy them, I won’t shame them for doing so. However, the people who evangelize clones and shout about greedy designers from the rooftops are part of the problem. The vast majority of us don’t make enough money to justify doing this full-time. Groupbuy margins are usually razor-thin. The designs the clones are copied from wouldn’t exist at all, if not for the work of fellow hobbyists who were passionate enough to commit time and resources to creating them. Seeing outright clones of something you spent many hours of your spare time on can be very demotivating.
Just here to thank you for creating Darling! It's just too pretty!
Since your point was all about the clone keycaps, may we have an update on PBT Darling? I came relatively late into the hobby so Darling GB was already over, but I fell in love with it and have been rocking clones for close to 2 years now. I know it's not the same as the original but it's the closest I have to it.
I'd gladly pay retail for your design but not the stupidly inflated aftermarket rates.
@@hucklejoko By now it is ABS Darling done by Keykobo coming (Hopefully) in the next few months. That's all that is known from NovelKeys livestreams & Xerp
@@lemaohoy abs? Even better! Hopefully it'll retain the same color tone of the original gmk run
Thank you!!
Wow, I'm glad that RUclips recommendations got me here. Great video, and I really enjoyed listening to a small part of the history/drama or our little hobby 😅
Keep up the great content!
Thanks so much!!
Props on digging up the Ivan & Redline situations. Most people in the hobby now have no idea about these & they can be considered the OG "keyboard drama" (although I'm sure there were some situations before that, just not as high profile or high dollar amount). Oh also while we're on KB drama, hey Jaxx how's that ice cream machine treating you????????????
the group buy model is always been a controversy even outside of mechanical keyboards community. I was active in local hifi/audio gear years ago and there's a huge fiasco like this about IEM group buy to the point it's heavily regulated.
Hey man I've really been enjoying all your videos! The history of the hobby is something that I've always wanted to learn more about and I feel doesn't get covered enough on YT. Your videos have been super informative on the hobby's history and is exactly the content I've been looking for. Thank you and keep up the awesome work!
Thanks so much!!
Really enjoyed the content and historical context for some of the controversies in the hobby! Seems like those of us who have joined in the last 3 yrs have had it pretty easy with group buys being a lot more reliable (and generally shorter in length at least for keyboards). I entered my first GB in 2021 for a Bubble 75, it got delayed maybe 3 or so months due to COVID among other things. My Mode Sonnet and JRIS65 also had some short (
always happy to see a charo notification ❤
Always happy to see a Xavier comment!
this was a trip down memory lane, thanks for chronicling the biggest dramas of this wholesome100 hobby
My favourite drama was krepublic vs epomaker and epomaker having to run away with their tale between their legs proved wrong and lairs.
There are actual invyr holy pandas available online, and imo they are better than any other type of panda including drop or glorious. I consider the holy panda x to be a sort of variation on the concept of the holy panda and in their own category with certain other switches
>says they're available
>Doesn't say where
Chad
Awesome video once again! I absolutely love learning about the history of the keyboard hobby.
Also, I can attest that the Holy Pandas still come with factory lube on the leaf, even though they're advertised as unlubed. Had them on one order and two subsequent batches of replacements 🙄This is why I got myself a batch of YOK Pandas, so that I can somewhat experience the original Holy Panda feel
hey can you cover the GMK Lavender artisans all mysteriously "going missing from the post office" and the maker dropping off the face of the earth because he is busy with some supposedly really important remote job? I love to see people cover weird controversies in this hobby, it helps hold people accountable and keeps new keeb hobbyists informed. great video.
Thank you!! For sure!
This is a great video for talking about all of this stuff in a really quick and surface level way. Well done :D
one controversy that I thought was really random was the GMK Taegeukgi "cultural appropriations" thing. I remember it being right in the middle of covid and it seems like people ran out of things to do so they latched on to this (me included).
Another weird controversy was the Rama splitting with Kate situation... I remember there being so much general confusion as to what happened, but I think the community ended up raging on Rama because he wasn't fulfilling the orders on time. (plus other unfavorable business decisions)
Space cables was another one. I forgot much of the details, but I remember there being google docs to expose the owner of the company?
Keebs make people go coocoo
lol hanguk was a blatant koreaboo set and looks ugly all hate it got was deserved
They really do!
I don’t think I heard about space cables, what happened with them?
@@ElNino512 im pretty sure @trtl9106 is referring to SummitCables (aka ScummitCables) regarding the drama with the google doc that was made public... basically, the owner of SummitCables was a lunatic and scam artist.
Spray lubing?
Def. should cover the Rukia GB and the disappearance of Charue after scuffsetter R2
I bought the charue supernova tkl that never shipped 😢
Something on the list for sure!
your content is too good. relaxed and a chill vibe from your voiceovers.
Thank you!!
Oh that was a refresher , thanks for the video! Very underrated channel
watched the keycupt video b2b tgr b2b this one and im officially a fan! great video my man
Legend, thanks so much!
ePbt dreamscape taking 2 years to get produced is actually insane
And that is reality for a lot of epbt groupbuys now.
I feel terrible for the ARMYs waiting so long for them. don't they have enough to wait for already lmao 😭
And honestly I was buying a new mechanical keyboard to replace the one I had bought for 15 dollars. It's not that great and sometimes feel uncomfortable but still. It's better than a group buy especially when most of the stuff is outside of our reach😊
Is the teaha holy panda sound test a controversy or nah? I feel like the conclusion to the obsession over that sound test was that the sound was edited since copies of that build don’t even come close to the original sound.
I have never heard of this. Is there more information about this
this is one of the best keyboard hobby videos ive seen in a while. it gives me andy v nguyen vibes. nonetheless could you do a video on the new cruelworld controversy regarding the cw60 and the cw87/88? not sure if youve seen the new reddit post about the fitment issues etc but i think it would be a good vid
Thank you!
I was part of the PBT Dark GB back then. Sad times man. Things have definitely improved, but the whole GB model needs to go.
About clone keycaps… I understand why people buy them. Some sets are hella expensive. But I personally know designers since I work with them in my field and I understand the work and effort that goes into the design process. And it doesn’t feel right to see your design ripped off. I myself have bought clones during my early days, but as I got into the hobby more, I either go for second-hand lightly used original sets, or go for other sets from manufacturers such as Milky Way or PBTfans.
My first keyboard was a fjell with some glorious pandas I lubed myself, and they are great! Highly recommend.
I'm looking to transition that board to some "endgame" tactile switches, though. Whatever that will be...
Go for it!
gotten whiplash when Ivan and Drop blocking Whitefox being mentioned. Thought I wouldnt hear about those cases ever again
No mention of ripster? I was around on irc and deskthority back then, started one of the biggest threads on the forum...still going today.
Rama was the worst I experienced with group buys. I did have a wait issue with GMK Fuji and Epbt Ramen stop at the same time, it was Rama not posting normal updated and then the whole thing with him and Wilba. All of that turned me off from ever joining one again.
I wasn't paying full atention to the holy panda bit and now all I know is multiple different parties claimed to actually own them and denied the others did. Absolutely amazing.
All you need to know
Great video. Will you do a mechs and co video
For sure!
love this more unknown history you remark on, always a pleasure to watch ur vidoes!! i think u should start a discord or smth..
Thank you so much! It’s coming!
Can you make a video describing the history of tgr and other high end designers? I’ve always been curious about that.
On the list for sure!
I got into the keyboard game right around the holy panda craze.
No colorway drama? I remember when I got into the community back in like 2015 that was a big thing, wish I could remember the name of the colorway but I recall the photo of the creator sitting with his leopold and color swatches for his set which borrowed from some terminal colors... classic stuff
Farrrr too many to mention hahah
Then there was the Zeal/Durock stab drama
this is just the tip of the ice berg some drama still left out
If I covered everything the video would have been hours long, just a few things (I personally) find the most interesting
"Gateron and Kailh started out as cherry clone companies"
...people DIDN'T know that? bruh.
Anyone know the name of the music playing in the beginning?
Another 10/10 banger!
Thank you!!
Did you say theremin goats? I've never, in my life, met a goat that wasn't a square or saw....because they don't know sine
Nice cherry MX brown costume!
There has been so many, mainly due to stuff ups from vendors and creators.
It begs to wonder if there are any controversies in the keeb hobby that affected you personally Charra? Unless if your like me and you were too poor to be conned back then lol, because i felt that a couple of times when i started working and getting paid some decent hunks of cash rather than relying in mum's pocket change
Thankfully not! The major group buys were before my time and I’ve always been a linear switch guy hahah
@@Charo.mp4 the only thing i know in the community that will never be a scam are nk creams, objectively speaking they are the greatest switch ever made
No Rama vs Hibi drama?
Loved this! Appreciate the education :)
Thank you!
the whole laugh-cut thing is really off putting aesthetic choice.
With how snobby people are about this hobby they deserve to get exit scammed
I just find you saying controversies just different than what I hear
keep up the good work!
U shld talk about kalam
GMK Peaches and Cream, P&C Lite and NicePBT P&C was a shit show to say the least
Spill some tea😂
I wanted to say that... Oh you don't want comments about clone Keycaps... Sorry
keysus the keyboard jesus
Cloned keycaps? there's no such thing
discord server??
Maybe soon!
@@Charo.mp4 :D
r slash MK
All the shit and hype.. I just stick to my Alu Plate with mx blacks on.. hehe
hard to spend my time bickering about keyboard…i prefer something more productive