The Rise and Fall of Keycult Keyboards
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Keyboard: Powdered Black Keycult 2/65
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Two years ago, Keycult did a long giveaway stream where they gave away around 5 boards as a ‘thank you’ to the community. The winners of those boards still do not have them and have received a total of two updates in that two year span, with complete silence for over a year now.
Damn that sucks. That tracks too.. my community member won a tray and had to hassle them for almost a year to get it sent to him. All the while they kept selling new trays.
I want a high end kit, but how to know which buy, i see Zoom65 or choice65, i really don't know how to know if quality.
My theory may be a stretch here but here's my wildly guessed OPINION on why the "fans" may be so hostile.
As you mentioned in one of your previous videos, this hobby revolves around 3 main elements: Preference, Hype (clout), Experience. If word gets out that keycult is no more than a shadow of its past, Hype for it dies out. A portion of kc owners do it for the hype or clout, or simply to resell. Simply put, less hype, less value. Be it monetary or clout value. Therefore to protect that inherently perceived value, they try their best to maintain the perception that people have for kc. But that's just me, I still am a fan of their rendition no.1 designs (I have both the 1/65 and the no.1 tkl) but I ain't gonna lie they fell off recently and I can only hope that returning to China manufacturers for their january preorder is one step forward to reclaiming their former glory.
All that's left is the cult
and a cult it is..
Thanks for pointing this out. Im not sure of any hobby like this where the hobbyist openly let themselves get screwed over time and time again. Past time for this hobby to move beyond these niche companies and group buy formats. There was a time when there werent enough options so the group buys popped up and these small companies tried to fill that gap. And for a while it made sense but ive had such garbage results with quality control and shipping times that i stopped buying anything before it got into anyones hands for a review. Even then I was wary of all these youtubers with their crap sound tests and reviews. I felt like I was taking crazy pills listening to these people sing praises for this junk and crap custom service until recently. And now everybody knows the BS. The bigger companies are now coming in with high quality products for cheap and thats great for the newbs of the hobby. We need to evolve NOW.
I'm a machinist and programmer of over 20 years, I remember talking to them on discord about machining when they were first got their machines. They came across as some of the most pretentious assholes I have ever had the pleasure of speaking with, essentially telling me I don't know anything and that they had it all figured out. That whole crew, salvun,keycult, and smith + rune are just rich boys that don't really understand manufacturing. Kinda enjoy seeing them crash and burn, to be honest.
even salvun sucks?
@@x3LightNinG Well that sucks
KC's decision to move manufacturing in-house was very poorly thought out. The Chinese factories which most keyboard designers use (including Dadesin, the factory which KC used to produce the No.1 series boards) operate at an industrial scale and are equipped with millions of dollars worth of machines and skilled workers. There's no chance that a couple of dudes who decided to buy a CNC machine could produce keyboards which are superior in quality than those of the factories from a price-to-performance perspective.
This ^
dadesin is goated. even though it's more expensive than other factories their factory QC is impeccable. unless you have to rework a board multiple times (re ano), it's really hard to find flaws on boards. In 100 boards I've helped with Qcing I could only find a couple with obvious flaws. People need to stop associating chinese manufacturing with poor quality manufacturing when they are doing better than many others.
I totally agree. Like if it worked out, it woulda been HUGE. But if anything went wrong (and things went wrong) and it quickly becomes a disaster. You have all of these orders to fulfill and don't have the huge backing to make up for it
@@scorppu cruelworld used dadesin and look at how the CW60s turned out (sarcasm). I know fault lies with the designer but keep in mind, the manufacturer is only as good as the work they're given. Shit comes in = shit comes out.
pls go back to dds kc
When I started this hobby I heard that Keycult and Ramaworks were THE top tier makers. Funny how things have changed.
RAMA dead dead lmao. But I remember that as well!
Long live Singa
Unironically Rama sells baseball bats; to smash things when your Rama keyboard is 2 years overdue
@@Alby911LMAO true
I have a RAMA desk mat which is awesome, that's about the only thing I'll bother buying of theirs lol
Their discord already calling you a liar lmao. this man has receipts and anyone with eyes and thousands spent on a private GB with them knows it’s true
lmao i have receipts, have owned the boards, have built the boards.. but i'm the liar
@@AndyVNguyen "Your birthday must've been in July cuz JU-LYIN'!" Brand loyalty is one thing, but I believe everyone should have the ability to speak against the company's choices if it's verifiable quality decreases like you've presented. It's sad. We should all be open to criticism as that what helps us grow. Even a seed has to push through a load of dirt to the see the light.
keycult kinda fell off ngl
They focused too much on their personal problems
@@Gannonhh Take a shot everytime Jorge mentions taking off for family in their "updates".
@@Gannonhh more like personal profits lmao
From the discord convo, looks like Keycult is really living its name to its full meaning “cult”
Today's conversation wasn't much better, they were INFLAMMATORY lmao
Lol seeing people try to talk to MechMerlin like that and claim he's being inflammatory... Like kid, do you know who you are talking to? Not some rookie who is upgrading from a keychron,😂
i think id watch andy more if he covered more keyboard drama
just get kalamcult xd
Better finished AND cheaper? lmao
You can actually pass off kalamcult as genuine keycult. All it takes is some effort and time. The boxes aren't anything special. The person who helped expand the brand with the fancy packaging materials has the authenticity cards up for download in his portfolio. What's funny is the original owner of a Keycult can ask for provenance and get ignored due to their absolutely shitty customer service. Honestly if there was serious money in flipping clones, more people would do it but keyboards pale in comparison to other goods like shoes, which are a billion dollar business.
Keycult 📉📉
@@swordreflex All of this is an extremely bad take; cloning and faking any design/product in any industry should be looked down upon, not encouraged
ngl andy your recent videos have been BANGERS. this is one of your best to date.
thanks noanimal. This is something I believe I can do best, documenting the history that I've seen that others are too afraid to cover
This is a very good chance for me to preach MatrixLab as the top tier manufacturer. There are many deciding factors that just make Matrix better imo. Matrix does everything in house, design, CNC, ano and coating, PCB, even packaging. And every single aspect they do it better, apart from design which is a more subjective thing. Also Matrix doesn't screw over their customers, if a GB is late they give compensation or full refund, and they add more accessories to their keyboards well after there were released. The Matrix ME just got a new backplate even though it's a keyboard from 3 years ago. They have badges, special editions, and they even offer Topre modding package for their boards. Their customer service is so good and professional, you don't need to worry a thing. Things like surface finishing being not perfect or you made a tiny dent that is bothering, you can just pay to get a replacement part. Unlike other brands, you can literally slap MatrixLab's logo on a deskmat, or design a new FR4 plate and go to their discord for an IC and they can help you produce it. The amount of chill and wholesomeness of that team and community is something else and I feel like I'm so blessed owning their boards
mard best
Can you link them? Matrix is such a common name, I feel like I'm looking at scam websites.
Not really, many other studios in China has better products imo. The coating isn’t the best, the pcb/plate/mouting things are just above average. Design is good but it’s very subjective. I prefer percent and gray.
just google "matrix lab" bro. hope that helps@@wilder6408
Can’t say I’ve followed mechmerlin super closely in the handful of years I’ve been in the hobby, but every time I’ve watched one of his vids/streams, he seems like a super wholesome guy who just gives his honest take, and clearly he’s seen a lot of boards (certainly more than just about anyone lurking in a discord). if he’s considered inflammatory, then these fanatics really need to take a step back and reevaluate. This is the same kind of thing I see in the computer hardware space all the time (intel vs amd, amd vs nvidia), people are ready to go to war for people / companies they don’t even know.
Seriously like of all people, to go after the nicest man in the space.. jeez.
Yeah I don't know why they made that acolyte role because it seems to have just created more hostility
@@AndyVNguyen Agreed, seems like they’re leaning into their own branding too much, but evidently having this sort of cult following really does enable them to keep their prices high without materially affecting demand.
I've always felt that if the owner of a server let's this kind of behavior occur.. it's on the owner. Your community represents you. If you don't put a stop to it, then you are complicit.
@@AndyVNguyen Can’t say I disagree with you on that! You’d think they’d have some mods that could handle this sort of thing. Can’t say I’ve spent any time in their discord though, so not sure how it’s structured
The mods are part of the problem lol
Great video Andy! Finding out that under that shitty white powder coat was blue ano was ridiculous. I was literally in such disbelief. I hope KC gets it together. But man, the powder coat is such a terrible option. Even CK's bakeneko coatings look and feel better the KC powder coat.
Their discord is full with simpers. Won’t buy any product from them ever
SingaKBD > KC
W take my friend
People likes connecting poor quality to Made in China here in the US, it’s a good lesson to those biased opinions. There are different levels of manufactures in China, you pay what you get for. Just like you’d almost expect a shitty job if you get a super cheap contractor here. To those peeps, when you see some poor quality products made in China next time, you may want to blame the sellers picked a low tier manufacturer to maximize their own profit rather than paying for a better quality manufacturer
As someone who has had experience just joining the keycult discord server I can agree, almost off the bat I asked a geunine question, can't remember what and almost instantly people started acting like assholes to me, even recently I tried to say that you raised some good arguments and you provided actual proof I was told that you were "up to your old tricks again" and "1minute into the video and it's wrong" It really is a cult following of people who will go out of their way to endlessly defend keycult
Im even willing to bet they will find this comment and start some shit, I have an imgur album of quite possibly the dumbest conversation with someone who said that rik and merlin were the only ones that raised good points and just ignored what I said about lulz and said and his excuse was that anyone who had issues got them resolved. As if thats the issue, you pay hundereds for a single keyboard which is widely known as the most premium of keyboards yet they willingly ship out keyboards that would be considered C stock at best. Not to mention those who paid thousands for the commission ones and still had a ton of scuffs like lulz, I am happy it got fixed but in the end if you pay that much for a keyboard you shouldnt have to even worry about there being a single mark in the first place then being ghosted when you want the keyboard fixed or replaced. Keycult actually has a cult following and they will defend keycult no matter what.
you might say it's a key-cult
This has been really insightful, now I know I wasn't the only one that has been ghosted for over 1 year...
My case was a bit different and this video helped join the dots on what was happening. I was not aware of the situation with Keycult and kept waiting for a response.
did you end up cancelling your order on them?
It always confuses me why so many people get such huge loyalty to a company that doesn't really care about them that much.
Baffles me too. Feels very parasocial
Was considering getting a keycult. Sounds like they are riding on the great reputation they once had. I wish the fanboys would see the criticism towards their preferred brand is critical for improvements. Silencing those voices would just encourage them to stay where they are.
People have spoken out against the quality it's all over Reddit.
I've built a few QK60 and their coating is MILES better than this. it doesn't take a matrix board to beat that.
such a shame to hear. Always wanted a white 1/60
i remember you tellin me man! it sucks though because part of buying a keyboard is being proud to rep a brand
i wouldn't be proud to own keycult. i sold my rukia too because although the keyboard was good, the owner scammed people so i was outttt
Man, I remember when I won a 2/65 and remembering how stoked I was in the moment. And then it arrived. It was a powdered white on unfinished silver. And I remember how much of a pain it was to assemble. But I kept telling myself, its a keycult, I'll be happy with it when I'm done building it. And then I finished building it, and realized how much I hated the powder coating. By then I had already owned boards from Space Studio, Smith + Rune, and AI03, and the finish was just lackluster in comparison to those boards, it just felt cheap. Again, no worries, I think I can cope with that. Adding onto that, I wasn't a fan of being forced into a 7u layout. But no worries, by this time basically all big boards had good 3rd party aftermarket support. I should have been able to just find a plate online and my problems would be solved.... But I couldn't. So I messaged one of these popular 3rd party shops that does everything for you and asked about it. Turns out, Keycult sent them a cease & desist for producing those plates. It was at that moment, I felt like it didn't sit right to own a board like that anymore. The hobby to me is all about customization and others helping each other out. If I couldn't even get the board I rightfully won to the way I wanted it without jumping through hoops, It definitely wasn't for me. Flipped it for a bit over what I paid and called it there.
I won the black and white 2/65 some months ago. I was so excited to build it. I even mentioned it in your stream. HOLY SHIT WHAT A MISTAKE. They cerakoted the switch plate which made it impossible to put in switches without damn near snapping then - their alignment pin idea sucks too, because the cerakote on the plate was so thick that all 4 pins would be impossible to get in, so I stuck with 2. Built it like I would any other - it was the worst sounding keyboard in my collection. And I own goofy shit like a cyberboard or a GMMK Pro. The GMMK Pro had better sound and flex than the 2/65. The GMMK Pro has absolutely no sound or flex.
On a side note, I just recently won another 2/65 in one of their secret raffles. It will be sold as soon as it touches down. For retail. Like I sold the other one. Because nobody should have to pay more for this peace of shit than it has to be.
I would love to buy it off from you..just testing my luck here
@@StelzzChannel oh I sold that thing months ago for a little above retail or I would
i think everyone is missing what keycult is trying to and successfully achieved here. They already said, their goal is to make sure everyone who wants a keycult gets one. There’s two way you can solve this problem, you can either increase supply till it meets demand or you can decrease demand till it meets the supply. Clearly they chose the latter
LMAO YOU HAD ME IN THE FIRST HALF
Keycult gonna send their hittas after this one Andy 👀
rip keycult fell off hard + ratio
Never liked Keycult, Rama however oh my...I still want a M60 (any), LNY or RNB are both super nice. I wouldn't use them because of HHKB and high front, high angle. With the prices on the aftermarket dropping further and further I might get one someday
You went too easy on em Andy! Already got the acolytes in a frenzy over in their discord smh
13:15 Same as the Noxary server (August 2023). Super fans defend gonedat no matter what lol
GONEDAT IM DED
I feel Keycult is over hyped.
always have been
@@foggytypes Its true, I still never understood the hype even in the earlier days. Andy and many make out that they were crazy good and far far above everything else. I feel most people just got them to make a hefty profit or bragging rights.
It has been and just like a lot of the boards that people consider "endgame"
@@lilpain1997 they also sound like ass.
Slammed that notif just for my fave storytelling channel/keeb content
Keycult discord is so toxic.
I don't. The keycult simps are terrible. Also you should've brought up merlin's unboxing video: Unboxing: Keycult No. 1 Rev 2
Amazing Keycult QC right there lmao
Would watch this video, but I gotta spend time with my family.
LMAOOOOOOOOOOOOO I JUST GOT IT
makes me wonder what they did to those users to make them bootlick so hard. you cant even ask a question about the drama without getting condescending comments from the "acolytes" lmao. what a joke of a community.
really happy with my $200 jris tho nothing went wrong during their production lmao
i'm glad nothing went wrong with jris production!
9:30 no lie that anodization looks worse then my tofu’s finish lol (edit: maybe silver is easier than blue?). Also, had no idea about the keycult situation-thanks for the video!
It’s powdercoat but like.. the lowest tier powdercoat I’ve seen
@@AndyVNguyen ooh gotcha-confused myself. Definitely still agreed, my F62 Kishsaver from modelfkeyboards (manufactured fully in China) seemingly has a better powder coatand no stickiness whatsoever
It reminds me of a plasti-dip job with that sticky finish lol
I feel like kalam has done a better job ngl
13:30 "They go to war for their vendor" Imagine being a corporate simp for a company that doesn't give a fuck about you lol
US based ano shops do not care about finish quality or aesthetics so it’s no surprise kc is struggling
Guess they found out the hard way that trying to make maximum profit with limited resources could backfire ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
Honestly, qk65's anodization looks way better than whatever you have here. The e-coat for qk65 was probably slightly worse than the anodization, but the quality is still better than this trashy powdery mess you have shown.
Honestly, at this juncture, we shoud just straight up just strike the keycult as something of the past. Other top tier brands like TGR/SingaKBD still retain their quality/finishing (well, for most parts. I have had one of the monokei version....and it was bad enough that i sold it off at cost in a week). Even "newer" top tier designers like JJW are doing a ridiculous good job with their qc. Then there's Geonworks as well with their stuff. In 2023 there's just really no justification to go with keycults anymore. Artificial scarcity, bad QC, and poor PR makes the brand just a dinosaur right now in the keyboard community in 2023.
Honestly I agree. I don't know who agreed to let powdercoat pass.. but may have been just a decision to help sell less than stellar units..
I stan SingaKBD for sure. Really excited for Polyhaku. Geonworks is monstrous and so is JJW. The bad PR from Keycult is crazy yet their fans are so hell bent on defending them.
Great commentary, as usual, Andy. I hope KC fanatics don't try to cancel you. Keep up the good work.
They spent most of the day talking smack. And then the KC mods shut down all discussion of it lol. If you linked the video you got automatically timed out for an hour..
Bro that discord server... 💀 rip merchmerlin 😔
I can't say I'm surprised to see the vitriol from super fans. They're probably huffing copium to justify their purchase and can't stand to see an opposing opinion that invalidates the money they spent.
I've had some pretty bad experience in KC discord. Had a hard time with the build process of 2/65 and when I asked questions, a lot of people were sarcastic lol
That sounds about right. Did they make you feel dumb for asking
@@AndyVNguyen Yes they did. Like the build is supposed to be simple and I'm just dumb to not get it right. The alignment pins didn't fit then you had to shake the screws to get it into place. Worst build experience ever
agreed. I would never willingly rebuild it
For starters, I don't hate what Keycult tried to do with moving the manu back stateside. While it was a huge risk, the reward for both Keycult and the hobby would have been huge as well if it had worked out. Just because working with Dadesin or another Chinese manufacturer is the way it's always been done doesn't mean it has to always be. CarolinaMech makes their boards stateside and has been successful, albeit with much smaller numbers. The way they handled the commissions and the state of the boards they shipped is inexcusable though, just to be clear so I don't get branded as a KC simp.
What makes the situation especially rough in my opinion is how most of their competitors in the most hype space (TGR and Singha namely) have found ways to scale up their production to meet the boom in demand without compromising their standards or the reputation of their brands. The Jane and 910 ME are nearly perfect examples of how to release more accessible versions of insanely hyped boards, and the Tomo came out beautifully for an unlimited GB board. For all the controversy around the ME design changes and whether the lack of a milled internal weight makes the ME "nOt A rEaL jAnE", the quality of the boards and the ano is indisputable and actually better than the original Jane v2s/CEs. As for Singha, Elaine managed to put a lot more Unikorns into people's hands with the R2.2 raffles, and there will be a lot more Kohaku's in the world once R2 ships. I haven't heard anything but praise for the new korns, and I would expect the next round of Kohakus to be excellent as well.
So now Keycult is in an awful place where they took a big gamble, it didn't pan out, and they handled the fallout of the failure very poorly. I've heard they are going back to Dadesin for the 1/65 preorder they did back in January, which will hopefully stem the bleeding and buy them some time to figure out their issues stateside. I personally likely won't be buying another Keycult in the future, but I hope they pull through this and I think the hobby is better with Keycult than it would be without them.
I don't hate the move either, they were just risking too much at once. The high quantity really killed their quality. The TGR stuff is honestly pretty surprising. Like I could live with a Jane ME and the 910 ME sounds only okay but the OG 910 was the same lmao. Of course it's still "just" a full aluminum keyboard with an extra toblerone weight but it seems kinda possible to buy them.
The thing that really did them in was how they handled everything. When shit started hitting the fan they didn't take full ownership of it and just tried to put bandaids on the situation. There's more photos I have from the "fixes" of the commission run that were just.. recoating on top of the original coating.
I do hope they get their stuff together when they do the DDS 1/65s again..
Bringing manufacturing in house is one thing. If you don't have the QC to make sure that your manufacturing is up to par then it doesn't matter.
The crazy thing is that I’ve heard from a multiple friends that the “Kalam” keycults were better built than the real Keycults. Personally I can’t attest to that because I haven’t had a Kalam in hand, but man if someone can literally clone your board and it comes out better than the original, there’s something majorly wrong.
I heard that too even Kalamcult have better quality
it’s ok we still have geonworks doing god’s work
powdered? I'd rather not, keycult. your time is over.
Someone pass the popcorn, thanks
Keycult is no longer a real option tbh. Much better manufacturers out there at better pricing and better sound and in stock! Bye KC
forreal i agree
I feel like they are doubling down on the Sunk cost fallacy. They really should just chuck the inhouse model as a loss. They should nail down design and out source in batches for in stock drops
I entered the Salvation group buy back in 2021. and i waited 2 years for a board that was B stock and i had to RMA to get a board with no blemishes on the outside. So im done with salvun. Im not gonna bother to buy another board from them or made by them.
That board is kind of bad even a stock.. I was not impressed.. sorry for your loss
salvation was a scam. can't even get rid of mine since the market is flooded
This hobby is kinda like “you get what you pay for” but backwards
Straight from the 'go keycult kinda just disappeared
Funny how Kalam makes better keycults than keycult themselves.
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This was really eye opening. For a long time Fomo has had me believing that I merely settled for my Zoom75 and QK65 but it seems I actually have the better value product.
You should never have fomo, but I always think it's great to have something unique. I've never liked the idea of getting the great value board but enjoy it if you love it. My favorite boards are definitely my stock topre 87u and an fjell with alps switches.
Damn i was wondering what happened to them . When i joined the hobby 3 years ago these guys were Kings. Would have never expected them to fall this soon, this fast.
a lot has changed in the 3 years for sure
crazy bro!
in kalam we trust
Yo great video. Their quality totally went downhill.
Yo great video. Their quality totally went downhill.
This is an incredible video - do Mechs & Co next :)
KC is done tbh, they haven't responded to anything in the past couple of months when it comes to complaints on redit. Its a shame to see it but it solidifies Singa's place as KING.
Singa is my fave for sure
Once I spray painted a keyboard myself and it looks better than that blue powder coating lmao
lmao i'd believe it
What I see is 2 dudes that had great success designing keyboards, but completely underestimated the skill it takes to be a machinist.
I agree!
What are the recommendations for top tier manufacturers right now? Been looking at Maker Scarlett.
They’re not top tier, IMO. Singa is top. mode isn’t top but super accessible and reliable. JJw boards are dope but they’re limited. Merisi makes good boards as well but limited.
straight from the go keycult
🎵🎵🎵
It’s ironic to see china clones is on par with the original quality of Keycult at a fraction cost of what Keycult charges. Caveat - never a fan of clones and had not bought one.
Tbf kalam’s keycult clones cost just as much as genuine keycults at retail. Quality in cnc and ano seems to be on par though.
Well... They're a cult for a reason
This was a well balanced look at where KC was to where they are now. Nicely done.
Unfortunate to see what happens when hobbyists don't think through the business implications of making major financial decisions. The customer experience is always the first to go...
Damn son Rik is the homie too. I didn’t know he went hard for KC lmao
Hahah oops 🫣
OMG look more like D stock , even kbdfans have better QC hahah
man everyone has decent QC now even budget boards lol
Not gonna lie I’ve had issues trying to get good consistent Anodizing, here in the states
Hey there godsarmy! Is it like an environmental legislation thing? I literally only know of caustic ano in US.
Great vid! Not surprised they’re an actual cult at this point…
read the title in kanye's voice
As a newbie to the hobby (only 2 months and just got my first taste with the Zoom TKL AE literally today), this has been a very informative video. Not only have learnt that Keycult is positioned as a premium brand, I've also got to know its history and its current problems. Before this video, I've heard of Keycult but didn't even know their price ranges. So I love finding these kind of videos.
It's funny that they claimed that they wanted to make keycult boards available to everyone who wants to buy it by bringing CNC in-house, and then keep doing the raffle without revealing quantities and use poor coating process to sell those x-stock cases. Come on. From the buyer's perspective, just do an unlimited GB for No. 2 65 and TKL to kill the hype (at least for a while) and then let the after-market price sinks. Then we are talking.
Probably my favourite series on the hobby right now. If we don't look issues in the face, they just fester and become chronic.
I already had a vendor call me out as a troll with nothing better to do with my life because I pointed out they were breaking Amazon TOS for bribing people to write reviews on the page lol
@@AndyVNguyen Well, I hate to reference Taylor Swift on any day of the week but I guess they're embodying some of her song lyrics. "I'm the problem. It's me." LMAO Thanks for doing these even though it's going to make some people uncomfortable and hostile. As someone who only got into the hobby about a year ago, I definitely want to know which vendors and companies are the best place to put my money.
Loving these commentaries Andy! Keep'em coming
Don’t know don’t care, imma keep rocking my F77 bc capacitive buckling spring supremacy
so many keyboard discords are like this. just nonstop slurping the designers so the point where they can do no wrong and if you even have a hint of complaining you get warned/banned. people need to be held accountable instead of just being allowed to frivolously hold up thousands of people's dollars with no updates. The amount of delusion and bad actors is more common than not- see S&R discord, cruelworld, apexkeyboards, etc.
Honestly bringing the same equipment to the US is in theory the same as having them made in China. The premiums keycult charges are really from the costs of equipment ownership and transport across the pacific ocean 😢
They sound very flat and dull (at 4:30), reminds me of budget boards that cram a bunch of shit in them to get rid of hollowness and just end up with that high-pitched "thud" sound... Maybe it's just not translating well in the video. The sound test at the end was a lot better though
i think the people defending KeyCult in discord isnt defending them coz they want to but they have to. imagine spending hundreds if not thousands of dollars on something for the quality then its value is lessen
Rama next pls
Oh damn. As I’m watching this vid I just got DM’ed from keycult for guess what….a surprise drop of more powder coated 2/65 lol.
:dogegepopcorn:
less reason for kc, more reason for singakbd
stan singa
At this point, Keycult will be better off selling their brand to a bigger company.
I am happy i just went with serious dude gang - smith and rune 😂 i also hate all that keycult buying system with discord connection bs, raffle and so on. It could be just simple on site fcfs with antibot program or smth.
lol iron165 wasn't that bad, i enjoyed it. it's the iron180 that kind of fell apart
yeah that hype stuff when everyone wanted their keyboards.. man it was too much. and their mods could like shadowban you if they didn't like you in the discord smh lol
Phew happy I didn't get one
i used to covet these so bad. but idk what's goin on with them anymore
@@AndyVNguyen I appreciate the fact that you reply to comments Andy! :)
of course!
LOL. I figured this would happen eventually the first time I spoke with Zach at a norcal keyboard meetup years ago. Their margins were amazingly good for what they made and it seems like they got greedy for more without any real business acumen on how to run a luxury goods business. No idea what the plan was with buying a CNC machine besides saying it's "more" premium and made in MURICA as to charge more money. Obviously they don't give two shits about anyone since they haven't hired any more people to take care of communications or even bother to reach out to people who paid for commissions. They honestly got more goodwill than they should have. People should've started doing charge backs long ago. Seems like they are desperate for money now with these random invoices and wins.
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