I was Stunned By How Much Cold Temps & MASSIVE Tires Limit EV Range on a Snowy Winter Road Trip!
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CORRECTION: According to Published Reports the Hummer EV has a battery that's 212.7 kWh of usable energy and achieves 47 MPGe combined by the EPA.
No matter how many times Tommy corrects him, Roman still keeps claiming 250kWh of usable energy :p
3.7mi/kWh equates to 3.7*33.7 = 125mpge, not 35-40mpge
1.5mi/kWh equates to 50mpge
working hard to make naysayers happy?
It's ok TFLEV we don't listen to Roman for accurate stats.
Doesn't look like that Mustang was in an EV spot to me per the signs and yellow EV charging painted lines. There are 4 chargers and four "EV Only" spots (two with cars charging, one where the Hummer was parked and one open spot). The Mustang was parked in a spot beyond the border of the EV charging spots.
@@Cloud30000 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
It makes sense that Roman would upgrade the Hummer EV so that he enjoys looking at it, since it breaks down so often 😂
That’s what the rear window defroster is for !
It needs a heated tailgate so your hands don't get cold when you're pushing it.
Under rated comment
I don’t think anybody is ‘pushing’ this behemoth. Maybe the hulk?
They need to come with a generator in the bed. Warm your hands from the exhaust. It would produce more electricity for the cost of gas then he paid.
Couldn’t agree more that this comment is underrated 😂
@@ruds2600 Why would anyone do that? @ Rud the DUD! lol
I would love to see you guys get this back on a scale to see what the difference is with the 37s. I wonder if you broke the 10k mark? 🤔
I love your comment. "They're not better. They're not worse. They're just different." That pretty much sums it up.
Roman flying solo?! He must have needed to get away for a bit. 😄
Those wheel and tires really make it look better.
Really appreciate the POV, just another reason to love TFL cuz it’s not just a 7 minute driving blurb.
Thanks Roman 👍🏼
Roman says thanks for watching and the kind comment!
You're joking right? this video was painful to watch because of Roman rambling nonsense.
@@Urgento22 I'm not joking when I say I really like Roman & Tommy. Roman always has the right questions I think.
@@Malc664 Roman is rambling stupid nonsense, doesn't know his head from his toes. Doesn't prepare what he'll say, looking for words, dragging on and repeating the same information over and over again. A video like this could be 10 mins long instead of 40 and would entail much more useful info. Many things he says are bias, non checked facts, like calling this economical, which it obviously isn't, costs more than a road trip in a 15MPG truck, wrongly announces battery capacity 3 times!!! Repeating the same WRONG info 3 time... that's such a fail at being "independent car reporter"... Weather testing, "oh it started raining, oh the rain has stopped..." luckily we have 4WD because this has more than 1000 HP (heard it at least 4 times in this video!). Such a waste of my time, even only listening to it while cooking.
I do like Tommy tho, he's much more composed, relevant, gets to the point, interesting and fun to watch.
Great video! Like the 37’s!
Great video… Thank you!
Helpful info. I do wonder how long Roman will resist the lure of 39" or larger wheels......
Good luck when the N.W.O. turns the lights off, I will keep my Dinosaurs, Anvil, Wood Stove.
You could test the range with chunky tyres and with street tyres in cold weather and do the test again in warm weather. The 4 results would be interesting.
Thanks Roman for the candid insight. This is one of my favorite videos of TFL for that reasons. It Didn’t seem staged or like you had talking points it was just genuine. Thanks again
Roman says you are most welcome.
Roman missed that lit sign above the freeway after he floored it.... Said "Have you checked your tires". 😆
One thing I am curious about is torque at the wheels should you need to ease forward.
What part of Colorado is this in. It is beautiful out there.
great 😃 video man
It would have been interesting if you had weighed the previous tire and rims and compared to weight of 37s and see how much weight per KWH.
Maybe they still can! It’s likely that they kept the old tires & rims. Roll the spare tire out of the box and weigh each one. Maybe.
I'm surprised I haven't seen this around town yet.
Roman the Hummer EV has 213 kwh of useable battery according to every source i'm seeing on google.
Teacher in school had one of those Subaru cars..he had this blue one with a pile of miles on it said it ran great.
how comfy are those to take a nap in while charging?
I live in British Columbia Canada. Put a deposit on the hummer over 2 years ago. Still waiting to order one. Can’t wait. Great video
Hopefully you don’t regret it.
Roman your wheel tire package is awesome looking. It is more important you look good you can run through a car wash a little more to look good. I am not an EV nut but if I could get one that had at least a 40-50 mile range I could use it for many of our trips. I enjoyed your discussion about the truck and driving. I would not want the vehicle driving me all the time, computers do make mistakes and lock up. Fifty bucks for 177 miles is not so good though, going by you where at about 80% and charged to about 80%. Stay safe and healthy Roman. Thanks for real information on a cool truck.
3 windshield wipers, can you measure the windshield width? from center, one side to other, I wonder if it's any wider than the H2? it only had two wipers and it was fine.
What's the scatching in the background noise on mic? That the wind or tires, wipers?
Seeing your excitement to go off roading at Moab and knowing what's to come makes me dislike this vehicle more. The extreme price of this vehicle and it's unreliability really shouldn't be acceptable. It'd be different if you'd spent $10,000 on an FJ with 200,000 miles on it and it broke down and ruined your trip. But to spend what you did on the Hummer I would expect perfection. Granted, my FJ did have to have a water pump put on it at 190,000 but it gave me plenty of warning for weeks with the squeaking of the bearings. With all sincerity, I would trust my FJ far more than I would the Hummer. This is not an EV rant. It's more of a manufacturer rant. I like EVs. Thanks for being so transparent with all the issues with this vehicle.
Five years from now your FJ will be worth more than that GM Junk..
I think you should do a test for max range kWH when the weather warms up there and put some 31.5 ht tires and see if it allows that cinderblock to get closer to the Chevy bolt.
Or… put some 26” rims with low profile tires like 90% of the people did with the H2’s back in the day…
I'm just going to say, if it's stock tire size was 35 and it struggled off-road, it's got more design problems than what sizing up tires will fix. My old ZR2 had 31s and I never felt it needed bigger, but thats also probably because it followed the old school off-road design philosophy of be as small of a footprint as you can and what you can't go over you can go around and to be efficient with what power you have. New off-road design is basically build the most offensively large, heavy and powerful vehicle possible and just mindlessly crush everything under massive tires. There's a point where that alone stops working, and the Hummer clearly went passed that. In a way I find it beautifully poetic that the Hummer EV can't be trusted to handle trails that my current Jeep Renegade can't handle at like a third of its size. It's just a massive Soft-Roader that uses size and tech to disguise the fact that it's basically a crossover in terms of performance. Rivian has proven an EV off-road truck can work, so this isn't a dig on EVs, but rather the Hummers massive unapologetic size and weight being it's Achilles heel.
All that said, if someone where to gift me one is have a hard time saying no. Despite it's unmanageable size, lackluster performance and extreme inefficiency there's still something attractive about the truck itself to me. Perhaps like Roman, I just like the way it looks.
First off, if you spent that much money on a truck, why would off-road it. This is not an off-road vehicle per se. It's a road vehicle that looks like a tank. And 37's for on-road use is going to make the vehicle ride worse and be much more road noise. It's just stupid to think it's an off-road vehicle
With current battery cells technology, big heavy SUVs don't make any economical sense. Doesn't help too, the current trend spread by Tesla to have an iPad on wheels, full of tech gimmicks prone to failure. Automakers should do the Power tools route, simple and robust, with batteries interchangeable.
Big heavy SUVs are what DOES make sense to car makers - that's the largest market buyers want, and a big car affords you the space for a big heavy battery. As for the technology, Tesla were early adopters but pretty much every manufacturer now uses big screens, touchscreen everything etc so I wouldn't pin it on Tesla, it's "market-approved" now it's so widespread. I agree it does mean if it fails you've got nothing, you no longer just lose your nav and maybe your radio, in a Model 3 or Y you couldn't drive the car or even open the glovebox.
One has to wonder, assuming it would still work the same as the air shocks if magnaride would be a better fit for the Hummer EV.
Question... How did you recalibrate the speedometer and odometer with the change in tire diameter?
At the dealership
@@TFLEV So about $400-ish?
@@garysarratt1 they mention it in the video where they upgrade tires
I'd like to compare the recalibration MPH and MPGe based on GPS odometer. My experience is that speedometers are always about 3 mph higher than GPS speedos. I guess that error gets calculated into the computer derived MPGe too.
Caveat: I understand why manufacturers err on the side of showing faster than true speed because they have nothing to gain by trying to be truly accurate only to have the margin of error mistakenly show you going faster than the speedometer because the lawsuits that would arise if you get a ticket for going faster than the vehicle indicated. Use Waze to get a 2nd opinion on MPH distance traveled. They may both be wrong, but at least you'd have confirmation that at least one number was wrong.
@@danoberste8146 I have a Spyglass app that shows gps data, too.
Roman, have you guys calculated the efficiency ratings using GPS and the kWhs from the charger to validate the mileage/kWh ratings shown on the vehicle dashboards? I know the ICE vehicle fuel economy computers are always different from your manually calculated numbers when you test ICE fuel economy.
If my math is correct, this is not more economical. At 1,5 MPkWh, the cost per mile is 0,28$ (EA price of 0,43$/kWh). But if the gas truck does 15 MPG at gas price of 3,8$, the mile costs 0,25$...
So it's cheaper to run gas offroad truck compared to Hummer HV. I am presuming the gas truck does 15MPG, with 10MPG your per mile cost is 0,4$... but also gets cheaper as MPGs go up.
On the other hand F150 Raptor with 18 MPG highway cost per mile is comparable to its electric brother Lightning at 2MPkWh...
So how is EV a more economical choice without even considering higher initial cost to buy.
I'm sad to see EVs going down the drain.
It's much worse in Europe, with almost twice as expensive EV charger rates...
@@anzew88 - EVs are not fully about the economic benefits, but they really are cheap because most, if not all, of your charging will be at home and not these stations. The only exception is if you are on a road trip. The BIGGEST reason EVs are so important is the lack of emissions. It’s the emissions that are contributing to global warming.
Going with a PHEV like the Jeep 4xe models available, are a great alternative. You commute and shop etc all week driving as an EV only. Then on days off and if you are road tripping, drive it as a hybrid! Much better fuel economy than the similar ICE engined vehicle, wayyyyy more hp and torque, and quick fill ups. Then when you get home, plug it in and get ready for another week of EV commuting. Best of both worlds and you are greatly reducing hydrocarbons etc in the air.
@@shitloveaduck I'm merely commenting on Romans nonsense babbling...
I do own a first gen Leaf, I'm very happy with it, but in last year home electricity rates tripled and public chargers went from free to 3-4 times the home charging rates. Still is cheaper per kilometre, but as I said, I'm sad to see EVs go down the drain, because why would you pay double the initial cost for a car that delivers half of what a half cheaper ICE alternative would cost you to buy new.
Our Leaf has a very specific runabout role in the family, outside that it doesn't make any sense to run an EV anymore.
The carbon footprint coin has two sides, so that slope is slippery. There is much more to that, but yes you do lower intown emissions, for overall emission to get bellow a similar ICE, that's a long road still, for Leaf about 150 000km before it equals for a bigger battery car, closer to 250 000km... And I'm affraid the Leafs battery won't last until 150k...
I still love my 22r toyota pickup as the cheapest simplest man i am and i support and understand most people for what they want and enjoy to drive or afford
I wonder what electric rates will go to when there are millions of EV’s on the roads ?
Plus, local, state and/or federal governmental agencies will begin to levy taxes on EVs because they don't use gasoline and therefore don't contribute Motor Fuel Tax for the roads. I like EVs but this is probably the honeymoon phase, where owners can marvel about the cost of charging at home at current rates and have to pay no taxes. Get while the getting is good. Probably over much sooner than later.
@@anthonyc1883 Very well said. The impracticalities will be magnified when everyone uses it, including strain on the grid. We are at the 1950s flying car, sky's the limit phase of autonomous driving hype. Geo fenced autonomous driving i can totally see, but drive everywhere while you watch video games or take a nap is many decades away (if it ever happens). It's not only hard, but unnecessary when you have Uber, Lyft, and public transit.
There will also be millions of people camping at Sam's Club for an hour instead of getting in & out in 5 to 10 minutes from a gas station.
Great video. Thank you. I've never seen a pull through EV charge stations. My anxiety tells me that if you pull a trailer behind an EV truck you will need to take up multiple EV stalls to charge?
Can you test it again with normal all season road tires? I'm curious about how much improvement is in range? I saw one on tirerack.
Did you consider the 6% difference in Circumference?
At the end of the video he mentions having it recalibrated for 37" at the dealer.
So based off quick math. The cost shown at the Sams Club charging station is comparable to an ICE vehicle getting about 11-12mpg and still come out cheaper with current fuel prices. I know charging at home is cheaper, but I’m still surprised how much charging stations cost.
The EV hummer is a great vehicle. The only thing its missing is an onboard diesel generator. 😮
Did I miss it? Was the speedo adjusted for the big tires?
I think so, they talked about it when they put the new tyres on
he said it was at the end
Yes, the Hummer EV can accept 37s and the dealer reprogrammed the computer for the larger tires.
What was that crashing noise at 22:06?
Sounds more like scrubbing the microphone to me.
That was most enjoyable Roman. I've never been to America and the way you showed the scenery while driving was fantastic. Colorado is so beautiful I could live there.
I really wish they did a cold weather range test before they swapped the stock tires / rims out. Now we don’t really know the true answer
Fun Fact: The Hummer Battery is the equivalent to 5 Nissan Leaf Batteries.
Thinking about the better/worse/just different line of thought, I think it's worth figuring out if the drop off in performance/efficiency in more extreme conditions is greater or less in an EV. For example, is the difference in fuel efficiency between an ICE vehicle at 75 mph up a steady climb versus if you drove at say 70 mph better/worse than difference in efficiency of an EV at 75 vs 70 mph up that same climb? Are you losing more gas or electrons relative to the driving task? Yes, it's less of a worry to lose mpg vs watts because of the ease of refilling. But which vehicle is actually more efficient?
I want to say Alex on Autos, or one of Alex's other channels did something like that, and I think it was similar loss in efficiency regardless of propulsion type. But don't take my word for it...
It’s less of a difference in an ICE vehicle because they are so inefficient to begin with
Is it possible to calibrate the speedometer to accommodate the larger tires? Typically, larger tires cause the speedometer to read slower than the truck is actually traveling. The mileage readings will indicate less, than was actually achieved. If the speedometer is GPS based, the tire size won't make any difference to the accuracy of the mileage.
Watched every minute, awesome vehicle, thanks TFL.
Lithium batteries also last longer if you can keep the charge between 20-80% all the time
Or you could just buy a duramax diesel
Does the larger tire confuse the computer and cause problems?
The truck was recalibrated for the bigger tyre.
The dealer in Colorado even charged a couple extra hours because they didn't know how to do it.
funny how so many ppl talk trash about the f150 lightning losing range with a trailer but yet dont call out the hummer for breaking constantly 4wd not working steering not working throttle not working suspension not working etc etc etc thats just one tfl video lol
Cool video, Roman. I always enjoy TFL content. I’m still a little surprised that you went to Moab by yourself. Oy vey! Be careful. Glad you obviously came out okay.
Upsizing on my Tacoma was 12 percent MPG/Range loss... and thats just a tiny truck
You are not deleting the emissions that were spewed when this behemoth battery was made.
I think he means he's getting the performance of a diesel that has the emissions devices deleted.
Not for me, but I love it.
Did you wait 30 seconds and then top up to 100?
What do you pay per kWh for electricity?
The roar and rumble of a v8, the tuniblility of a 6 cylinder, the power of a diesel, the....um...well...electricity?
There has been a Tesla Supercharger at Moab for a long time. I really like Autopilot, aka Autosteer on my Tesla and I don't see any need to have any more advanced assist than the car be able to stay in the lane at the speed I set and change lanes and slow down if the speed limit drops, or if there is traffic in the way. I applaud companies for trying to get to level 5 as it can give mobility and freedom to disabled people and maybe I will buy it when it's ready
so 100k+ for this thing, then you have to find a charger and sit in a parking lot for at least an hour, and still pay $60......how is this progress?
What is the crazy tech you keep talking about in this? 4 wheel steering? Air suspension? Fake lockers? Built in google? Whoop de doo.
Must be the winter electricity vs. Summer electricity. LOL
If my math is correct, this is not more economical. At 1,5 MPkWh, the cost per mile is 0,28$ (EA price of 0,43$/kWh). But if the gas truck does 15 MPG at gas price of 3,8$, the mile costs 0,25$...
So it's cheaper to run gas offroad truck compared to Hummer HV. I am presuming the gas truck does 15MPG, with 10MPG your per mile cost is 0,4$... but also gets cheaper as MPGs go up.
On the other hand F150 Raptor with 18 MPG highway cost per mile is comparable to its electric brother Lightning at 2MPkWh...
So how is EV a more economical choice without even considering higher initial cost to buy.
I'm sad to see EVs going down the drain.
It's much worse in Europe, with almost twice as expensive EV charger rates...
These charger rates will be at your cost in a year.
I get what you’re saying re: automation, but I think we are a very *very* long way from seeing fully autonomous vehicles in general use. We’ll see a lot of what you’ve already reviewed: vehicles that can drive themselves on good highways in good visibility. As time progresses, what constitutes “good” will broaden, most likely. We still have cars running into stationary objects because computers, it turns out, aren’t actually good at recognizing the difference between an object and a shadow.
You are 100% right. Autonomy. Mobility. FSD. Level 5 driving. All these seem like will never happen delusions. Until the day the DMV only issues driver license to people who demonstrate exceptional need to operate a vehicle while everyone has has to be driven in a cube around town by the vehicle computer.
Have you found out if a swing arm tire mount can be installed on the back bumper on the EV Hummer?
Maybe you could do the search yourself? 🤷♂️
@@WoodyRides I could but maybe its something they can review.
Don’t bigger tires reduce efficiency on just about every gas or electric vehicle?
Yes
One advantage over an ICE truck is how the EV power is largely unaffected by altitude.
Seems like the hummer is a good bit less efficient then a newer diesel truck. For the same 55$ to get back to 80% you could travel 240-250 miles in a diesel at $4.50 per gallon. A new half ton f150 with the 3.5 eco boost could get you 375 miles down the road for $55 at $3.10 per gallon.
I was hoping someone would point this out. Take the extra money spent on the Hummer. Invest the money and use the interest for gas money. And still have 50K in the bank when the truck is wore out.
Right, the EA stations charge something like 3x or more per kWh compared to residential rate so it’s offsets the 3-4x better efficiency of EVs.
Hi guys love your videos! question about charging: why dont you start questioning big car companies about battery swap stations as NIO doing? that would be a game changer. thank you
I'm getting an 2025 Orange color. 🍊 SUV one.
here's another problem on the hummer EV: put 40" tires on it, lol. yeah the H2 looks better on 37's too.
So.... just like with ICE cars, big tires and winter weather messes with your MPG. Cool.
I’m pretty sure the battery is 212. Not 250. Anyone know for sure?
Yes, 212.7 kWh of usable energy and achieve 47 MPGe combined. Roman got that wrong.
Airline pilots 60 years ago were probably saying the same thing about auto pilot.
You didn't close the car's charge cap properly. It's actually doing my head in lol
Having followed the Hummer EV at TFL for a while, I am noticing the spare tyre blocking things in the rear view mirror. Did anyone else notice it. I thought Roman being OCD would have had a rant about it.
Tire*
@@Digikidthevoiceofreason Sorry, It is tyre in UK english.
you can't see out of the thing anyway so I don;t think it matters
They betch about it from time to time.
Doesn't look like that Mustang was in an EV spot to me per the signs and yellow EV charging painted lines. There are 4 chargers and four "EV Only" spots (two with cars charging, one where the Hummer was parked and one open spot). The Mustang was parked in a spot beyond the border of the EV charging spots.
Assisted driving may seem like a threat to those who like to drive, but if I had to guess, most people would agree that they would prefer to not have to deal with heavy stop and go traffic in urban settings, or conversely long straight highway drives, where having the vehicle take over IS exactly what people want. Then factor in situations like being out at night and having a bit too much to drink - letting your car drive you home safely. Of course we’re not there yet with the technology, but improvements will happen over the next decade that make these things the norm, not the exception.
You do realize in certain states, sitting in the front seat is the equivalent of operating the vehicle? Your super cruise isn't going to change that. You drink, and you get in the car, you are responsible for the emergency situations. Impaired, you cannot do that.
@@ronaldking1054 Of course I realize current laws won’t allow inebriated drivers to be behind the wheel, but I also noted that we’re not there yet with the technology, and likewise laws will need to change once we do have safe self-driving technologies.
This is my take on it as well, I love driving. I like cruising the farm roads that wrap the cliffs and hills and valleys where I live. I love following dirt roads back to small creeks to find that one hidden trout honeypot, I like taking a nice cruise through old growth forest to get to that special hiking trail with the great views. I do not like the miles of uninspired empty 4-6 lane roadways I sometimes have to travel to get there. And when my in-laws decide to vacation in Ocean City? That's a 6+hour boring drive. That's where driver assistance technology and self driving is at its best. I feel Ford and GM know this better than Tesla, since their self driving systems seem to focus on these areas almost exclusively where Tesla wants their self driving tech to work everywhere, even where I have no desire to use it, nor feel I can trust it (hard to trust someone else driving let alone self driving car on a gravel roadway hugging a cliff edge with the only barrier being a braided steel cable that hasn't been maintained in 40 years.)
@@JMacGyver1 Why would the laws need to change? Even automation in factories end with an operator so that the situation where something fails has mitigated results.
I will be buying a Chevy Bolt EV as a secondary car in March. Don't plan on every driving it far enough where I have to use a public charger because it looks like a PITA. Have a 2019 Frontier that I will still use for long distance, bad weather, camping, off-roading, etc. But, I think I'll be able to use the Bolt for like 80% of my driving. Wouldn't consider having it (or any EV) as an only vehicle yet tho.
This is the way. I bet you end up using it for closer to 95% of your driving
@@KalleSWBeck I hope you're right. But I doubt it. To drive down I-70 (Colorado mountains) between September and May you need 4x4, or winter tires/chains. Required by law. Will not be putting winter tires on the Bolt, and I drive down I-70 every weekend during those months. But for the most part my driving during the week will be all Bolt action.
I have averaged 2.3 mile per kWh for almost 8,000 miles in my Lightning. Granted, I am Northern California but it is hilly and temps get into the low 30’s. Very happy with it.
New DC fast charging stations are being installed daily or weekly. As the IRA kicks it will only grow faster.
Stopping every 170 miles? That's 2.5 hours of drive time. I'm guessing you'll never Hotshot?
Did you recalibrate the speedometer for the larger tires. It will affect your mileage calculation
Yeah, I believe they got the hummer recalibrated at the dealer.
He says in the video that was done.
Was that $120 at the second charger? Not saving any money with those prices.
I think as with all vehicles. This should be judged buy cost per that would include charging cost purchase costs and repair costs over maybe a 5-year..
I have a '94 f250 with a dump bed on it and it weighs 9000 lbs. No biggie :)
When I owned my Mustangs, I didn't get them because they were quiet. If I bought a hummer, I would want to hear the HP. Just my opinion.
keeping track of charging stations while commuting feels like a massive nuisance
Maybe someone who knows what they are doing will make some software for this thing, and you can buy it aftermarket.
28:11 “Unsafe At Any Speed” Ralph Nader
Have Hummers ever been that reliable? I don’t believe the old ones were either.
Wow all those technological advances that get stranded on a small hill off-road...or a flat road. Not ready for prime time...
I'm one of those people that likes the tires howling. The Cooper discoverer STT has a cool tire howl.
Has the battery grown?
I wonder how much wind resistance is increased with those large lugged tires. Most folks on this channel know about how air resistance increases exponentially with increase in speed, but don't consider that the top of you tires are moving TWICE as fast thru the air as the rest of your vehicle. If you're driving 75 mph, the top of your tire is resisting 150 mph of wind resistance. AND those lugs have a much higher coefficient of drag than the rest of the truck.
There should be an efficiency tax on EVs too. Anything under 3m/kwh would be hit with the ev guzz tax with a 10% increase for every tenth under 3.
I thought it was broken again yesterday you posted a whole vid 🤦♂️
Another channel I watched a few days ago found a 15% range loss for switching to big tires like these.