2024 Chicago Auto Show: These Are The Cars & Car Companies Killing It & The Ones That Need Help!
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Great video and conversation!
Glad you enjoyed it!
Any conversation with Motoman is epic! There is no one better, in khaki pants, at explaining the WHY of cars than Motoman! 😊
Evs are NOT the future....sorry, folks.
It's just another forced communist-influenced agenda of the Democrat Propaganda Party of Pravda to control the people with disinformation of deceptions.
Dont fall for it! For Real.
@@TFLtalk add Mazda to the long term car list up there with Toyota and Honda
If you are a white man.
Stop with the IPad dashes. So ugly. Screens need to be incorporated into the dash, not fixed onto it.
Absolutely agree! Looks like an afterthought..... Hey let's stick an ipad on the dash!
But that is more expensive and they are on the cheap, like BMW just slap a gigantic Samsung on the dash and take away the pricey buttons. Get rid of as much leather as you can and replace it with super cheap plastic fabric known as fake suede.
That’s why I love my integrated 11.6 “ infotainment on a Subaru. Also the fact Outbacks and Crosstreks are a jacked up station wagon.
And the iPad stuck to the back of the seats 😢😢😢
Every time I hear MotoMan pronounce foreign car names, I think of George Costanza’s girlfriend saying “Papier Mache”
Roman left Motoman hanging with that handshake…legend has it that Motoman still has his hand out
Make a few decent vehicles under $25k. Like a small 2 door pickup. Ford came close but didn't actually make any of the cheap pickups they said they would. Most can't afford all that technology they are putting in vehicles.
Not just "can't afford", "don't want." I don't want any of it. I want a simple ICE vehicle, priced right.
Like he said, it's 56 degrees in Chicago, February 10, think it's a good investment to drop all this money into these over complicated beasts? Lotta change coming in the next ten years
Lamborghini vs Porsche = apples v oranges
Afford… well, I would rather spend my money on other things. Seriously, what do I do with an entertainment system for thousands … I am driving…
They never build the car for the consumer. They build what they think they want then raise prices at dealerships.
Andre great discipline for not jumping into the conversation!❤💪🏽💯
Andre is one of my favorite presenters
That new Hyundai Santa Fe is one good looking vehicle. However, Hyundai/KIA has got to convince me (and others I'm sure) that they can actually build a good engine before I would buy one.
They can build a good engines, but they have issues with quality control from their suppliers. I still put the Ulsan plant over the Montgomery, West Point, Monterrey plants.
I wouldn't touch one with a ten foot pole.
I have had the Santa Fe before and wouldn’t hesitate to buy another one
@@JT-fq2bl H/K is going all electric before any legacy manufacturer. No need to invest in engines anymore.
I’ll wait for the electric version. They make excellent EVs
Santa Fe looks like the old Ford Flex more than a Land Rover.
I seen that as well!
That's what brought me here. I am very interested to watch the sales of this one.
I like the room in mine. And the 20-24 mpg.
The problem with American car manufacturers. Rather making great affordable sports cars. They rather make unattainable Halo cars
Pretty much. Most guys I know just care about what it looks like, engine options, whether or not a manual is available, tunability, price, and if it can smoke both the rear tires. Nothing else.
The exception to this is the Chevrolet Corvette. Hits all of the numbers, competes with Euro and are affordable.
The exception to this is the Chevrolet Corvette. Hits all of the numbers, competes with Euro and are affordable.
@@texttwenty-nine1627 "most guys" you know is not most people, most people want a transportation vehicle, and let's be honest here most Americans drives cars, they shouldn't be driving because they can barely make the "payments"
I believe that most automakers foreign and domestic here in the United States 🇺🇸 are not producing enough affordable vehicles. Honda Nissan Toyota Mazda Volvo BMW Audi Mercedes Benz have all abandoned making affordable vehicles in their respective classes of automobiles.
Props to Andre for great camera work.
Andre's camera work always on point
The only thing I do not like about the 2024 Prius is how hard it is to get into. I am 6 feet tall and 54 years old. That is why I think older people like the RAV4. Easier to get into.
That's why I plan on never buying a hatchback or sedan again. Once I'm done with my Honda Fit I'm done.
I'm only 5'9 and 150 lbs and very athletic but getting into these things is annoying.
One thing that stands out regardless of the vehicles being ICE, HYBRID, PHEV, or whatever is the fact that vehicle prices are climbing year to year at a rapid rate.
Its really simple for Toyota on that front. One of Toyota's highest priorities is reliability. Per Consumer Reports, reliability by segment from best to worst are HEV > ICE > BEV > PHEV. So naturally, they said we are going to focus on the highest reliability technology available, which are hybrids and traditional ICE vehicles. Anything else is just compliance effort for things the government is forcing them to do.
Too Expensive
Where is Toyota truck to compare with Ford Mavericks price.? Greedy is what Toyota is all about.Look at the new Tocoma outrageous priced!
I attended the Chicago auto show 6 years ago… it was packed… vehicles everywhere across the hall… both sides to the gills… exotic terrain area for off road… huge displays..
the 2024 show looks like something at the local mall with some local auto dealers… with some corporate booths added in.
Enjoyed the video! Let each other talk though! Thx
I suspect they are there before the general audience is allowed in 🤷♂
@@whymaniawhythey are.
It's Chicago in 2024. Nobody wants to get shot.
Yeah, 2020 was the last year a majority of manufacturers were there,
Online shopping! The future is happening, minimal time or interest in brick & mortar stores, dealerships or car shows, too expensive for vendors or attendees. Like CES, one big one per year.
There is no beauty in the current BMW design.
Wait till you hear about the subscription plan to use the car you already "own".
absolutely@@FixtIt
the 5 series is "Fugly"!! Wish Chris Bangle was back
Golden era was 1985 through 2005 in my opinion.
It's unique for sure but I don't think it's as ugly as Mercedes.
The minivan is the automotive equivalent to stretch pants.... OMG I honestly choked on my coffee... That is the best automotive analogy I have ever heard.
Thanks for taking us to the show
That taller Crown is really like the old Venza, which was just a raised Camry wagon. It was marketed to a slightly older crowd, and rightly so as it had great visibility and very easy to get in and out of. I had a 2016 model with the V6 and all wheel drive, and for taking my parents around was very easy for them to get in and out of that vehicle and comfortable. Plus, the backseat was huge since it was really only a two row vehicle. A very practical vehicle. No reason I got rid of it was to get a 2022 Toyota 4Runner TRD Off Road (Canada).
I had an original venza and it was such a great car. I regret trading it in.
MX-5 debut - February 1989
Got shut down faster by that Cadillac employee than me trying to talk to those exotic security ladies with the handcuffs. 🤣
Another reason not to buy a CadiLACK.
BMW was actually early but realized with the i3 that the EV future might not be so easy. Don’t cost them like GM or VW to go slow. Toyota was paying attention….
Awesome video guys. Thanks to the guys behind the camera too. Throughly enjoyed this. You take your audience to places we can’t go.
Many thanks for this walking tour of manufacturing in 2024. Akio Toyoda has shown great leadership and foresight. The company has money for real product development after avoiding the EV trap
Aiko is dumping hundreds of millions into hydrogen. He has lied dozens of times about them having solid state batteries just about ready to go. Akio has watched sales in China tank.
Really enjoy the Auto Show walk around while in conversation. It’s like a mobile podcast, great Video!
Trivia: The iconic sports car Mazda MX-5 Miata (NA) was unveiled at the Chicago Auto Show on February 10, 1989.
It was the Honda NSX in the same year right?
I want a new Land Cruiser sooooooooo bad.
Same, and a new Tacoma lol
Let’s all hope the new 4Runner looks good, built on Tnga-f with the 2.4t w/o hybrid and comes in at 45k….
@@tdub25I expect it will mirror the Tacoma drivetrain. Would be great for the 4Runner to move down market price wise, but that is a pipe dream.
Absolutely love it.
Why?
58:00 typical GM lmaoooo. Running away
He's not proud of what he's done and don't want his face associated with something that will fail! 😂
Government Motors, more bailouts than the banks and horrible politicians that went along with it.
This was a great overview of the industry. Thanks guys! Oh, and the offroad Hurrican/911 are both the best road going versions. You don't have to worry about pot holes, the suspension is subtle, they are just great.
Tesla model Y is also easy in/out, AND at 6'6" I can tell you it has the most headroom (and sightline to match) of any sedan/hatchback...and midsize SUV for that matter.
It sure has something going for it. Best selling car of any type in any market on earth last year. And they can sell them at crazy margins. Nobody else is doing that. They're doing something right.
Might I suggest that when using the DJI mics in a high interference areas that you record directly into the transmitters then add the dialogue in post? The crackling at times was almost unbearable.
12:47 absolutely love the Ford, I think Roman doesn’t get the passion in a company that makes the mustang and the divisions within the company. I mean Chevy makes the Corvette and doesn’t do a great job with the rest of thier cars or trucks frankly other than the Duramax.
Great conversations, video and walk through the show floor! Thank you 🙏
thank God for skeptical journalists braving the Midwest. Thanks for being interesting
Problem with having a shared platform like bmw is the compromise, like having a transmission tunnel in a ev just feels wrong, also the hood is too big since its supposed to house a big v8, another thing is no frunk or a very tiny frunk since the packaging is bad since its not designed as an ev. You realy should have different platforms but i get that its expensive.
I couldn't help but notice... Is Toyota bringing back the X-Runner?!
Probably looking at the trailhunter, coming to the Tacoma and Tundra this year.
As far as I'm aware they recently made a new X-Runner Concept just to see the reception from the public and haven't decided to actually build it.
No, the X-Runner is the lowered blue car that's near it. They gave it very little attention because it's not off road. Guess what- we don't all need off road here in the midwest. Bring it!@@Le_Royaliste_Perlino
No Toyota Stout or whatever the new small pickup is called?
Right, I want one… was expecting to see it here.
Loved yr talk and analysis too 👏✌️. Thnx for sharing. 🙏
"I can't be on camera," dude...it's press day. Everyone is holding a camera and McCormick place has thousands of cameras hanging from the ceiling. If you can't be on camera, don't go to the big media day in public.
@@dc9719 then why is he at the event?
maybe he knows he has nothing worthy to talk about...
'Ummm, there's electric motor, and some battery..'
Same sh*t 200 or so Chinese companies can whip up in few months.. 😂
@@shredofmalarchiI’m a mechanical engineer and I’ve found myself at a few trade shows setting up a new product and there for support for if/when things break.
Companies have sales and media staff who are much better at interfacing W media than the back room egg heads.
@galens2543 My point still stands. If the company really doesn't want you speaking to the press...they shouldn't have you anywhere near the press no matter what the excuse is. They should be working tirelessly to keep you in the office.
32:03 the way that plug just dangles up against the paint 😂 classy
Fun to see you guys together, but waaay too much focus on electrics that no one wants to buy.
The government is going to force you to buy one by 2035 lol.
@@Jev55 "The government is going to force you to buy one by 2035" -- In their dreams, right after AOC becomes the President.
I guess that is why the Tesla model Y is the best selling automobile in the world, including gas cars.
@@SkyRiver1 Tesla is an exception to the rule. It is a toy car and toy brand, something of a cult and something to show to your friends in high tech and certain other areas. The rest of the EV market is curled up in the corner begging for mercy. And don't quote me nonsense about how many BEVs sold worldwide in 2023 because that number shown about on EV cult sites conveniently includes hybrids.
Just discovered your channel as it was recommended from something else I was watching. I watch a lot of car RUclips channels, even though I have slowed down a little since I recently bought a new SUV. But there is something a little unique about your style that I like. I look forward to exploring more of your non-show stuff!
I thought that the Honda Pilot boxy version dating back to 2008 was the most versatile, squared off practical SUV and not the RR that was the great platform other car manufacturers copied. To most of our friends we felt Honda made the wrong choice by turning the pilot into a minivan without sliding doors and made it look like so many other cars. The boxy HP was very affordable, looked like a cool off road vehicle - even though it wasn’t a true off-roader and its engine was rock solid. Had it for 12 years. Zero issues except the paint peeled off in sheets. The new Land Cruiser/GX makes me feel like I can have my Pilot back except it is more powerful, more reliable, and more utilitarian. Awesome.
The new pilot is more boxy and the best looking pilot by far imo.
You guys are great to watch together 🤠
loving the counter push against EVs.... You guys nailed it.. hybrids are the way and toyota got it right...
Humble. Intelligent. Well done Motoman you have a new subscriber.
Great episode
Love the banter and discussion between these two. They should do this more often.
2 of my favorite car reviewers together! double the fun!
A good tour. There were a few sports cars. Most likley talking about the Mazda MX-5 Miata in 1989. There was the 1989 Acura NS-X Concept, 2008 Dodge Challenger SRT-8 , SHO time in Chicago and my favorite 1993 Ford F-150 SVT Lightning.
Love it when MotoMan and Roman get together. Also, am I the only person who loves the Crown? LOL
I think the crown sounds nice, the old ones in Japan are also pretty dang cool. Those wool interiors and stuff.
Yes lol
I like sedans too. The Crown is an interesting car.
I think I might like it if it was actually a liftback instead of just looking like one.
@@godofdunTrue, that is one of the weird things for this one since it has the shape of a liftback and the weird twon tone layout (the single tone actually looks far better IMHO).
Weirdly in Japan this Crown is dubbed the "Crown Crossover", while the other model called "Crown Sport" is the one that is actually a Crossover.
Sadly Toyota didn't bring the Crown Sedan to the US since that thing is gorgeous.
Love this collab love the respect these two have for each other and the knowledge these two have, great flow through video, keep it up Roman! Great video TFL
Appreciate that
Nissan really was the first to introduce a commercially successful small spacious family car - the Leaf - the #1 electric car in the world. The problem, besides battery issues, they did not upgrade or renovate since its creation. This could have been a game changer for them. You saw an Aria on the road?
You have presented a very balanced, logical, insightful perspective. Thank you!
I love this chat 😊.
US consumers are getting smarter, going to value longevity, which makes sense with increased cost to buy and cost to own of modern new cars. That’s why Toyota is in such high demand while the production is at record hight.
Not true look at Ford Maverick a inexpensive ride!
3 years owning a Beemer and I still have trouble figuring out the wiper and heater controls
To answer the trivia question: was it the Acura NSX in 1989?
Something about being inside, immaculately clean, and auto show lighting that seems to make every vehicle look good...
The honda prolog looks less shitty than some platform sharing cars. And better than the EQS suv, that thing is butt ugly.
Great work guys. Couldn't agree more on your opinions on the manufactures.
I still don't understand the haste to go all EV. Most state's grids still aren't capable for everyone going EV. There isn't enough Lithium on the planet for all EV personal transportation. What happens during emergency evacuations? Everyone trying to charge at the same time (again, the grid can't handle it) and if it goes down or fire takes it down, how do you evaluate far enough? What about flood or hurricane evacuation? Have you seen what happens to EV's in high water? What about disposing used lithium batteries because they can't be just thrown in the land fill.
I'm not apposed to new technology especially if it's better for the planet, but not if it just currently looks good on paper. We still have many coal powered electric plants- how much coal will they have to burn to accommodate all EV's? What about rolling blackouts needed to keep up with power demands? Do I have to choose between heating my house or charging my car? How is the government going to tax the electric power because they will find a way to replace all the gas tax they currently charge. Does nobody wonder about these things? Why am I worried? Because no one is asking the right questions, and if you don't live in an area where quick evacuation is a necessity, you probably don't care.
My mom bought a 2012 Sonata at my suggestion, it is still going strong today. I am now the owner. Her new car is a 2022 Kia Telluride SX Prestige, paid for the minute she drove it off the lot. Toyota and Honda are not the only game in town. We have owned both before.
I went to the Chicago auto show this year. Was disappointed at lot of manufacturers were missing. (ie. Jeep, Dodge, Porsche, Lincoln etc)
I agree total waste of money. Felt Like I was at a mall auto show
I looked at the floor plan like I do every year before attending. I saw it, 2024 and decided it was not worth the money or my time. Glad I went last year though... I had a great time!
The mustang GTD is the exact right move. It’s not about making it a statement for the mustang brand. The mustang EV tainted the muscle car brand of the mustang, which if EV’s had of worked wasn’t a bad move, but obviously it didn’t work, the EV market didn’t gain traction as hoped, so the GTD is to reinvigorate the brand as a “powerhouse brand”. It is to prove the mustang still has “balls”.
thank you guys! Awesome show
The hybrid system makes no sense in those large off-road vehicles I don’t think it gives enough difference in fuel savings, which is the bottom line, not just to say look it’s a hybrid, back it up with significant fuel economy numbers.
Toyota will, they only use the hybrid system that actually saves fuel.
Audio was BAD. Not sure what wireless receiver you’re using but it sounds like every time they weren’t facing it, the audio distorted. Also for monetization purposes if they mention an old video y’all should drop a link. Great content as always! Can’t wait until yall get some of these vehicles to test.
Audio was totally fine for me.
Keep it going bro. I sending this video to my heavy haulers in Jamaica 🇯🇲
Plz someone tell where i can some of these maverick prius for msrp
The Crown Signia cannot be priced 50-60k. It needs to be 40-50k max
Costs more then a Lexus RX.....
It’s replacing Venza so mid 40’s max. $60k is wayyy off. That would be more than base Land Cruiser?! No.
I believe it was supposed to be the Lexus version of the Venza but was moved into Toyota vs just cancelling it, so now their stuck with the pricing challenge.
I ABSOLUTELY do not want to touch screens instead of buttons. I will not buy a 'minimalist' car, ever.
They really aren't "minimalist". There is lots of complexity, but it's all in the screen.
@@ssssgfff4263That's not the issue. A screen is tactilely undifferentiated across the surface, so you MUST look. I want to operate the vehicle without looking away from the road. If high tech is going to augment the driving experience, clicky old fashioned mechanical buttons PLUS a voice interface, not just voice.
Sedans lose market share because there are too many pickups and trucks on the road. The extra headroom wider interior and higher on wheels makes people feel more secure and comfortable.
This was very informative. A roller coaster.
TFL You guys do a great job. Please don't use motor man.
Great video and I am reminded why I don't subscribe to motoman. His "superior than thou" vibe is front and center.
Yes and he sounds like a puppet for Toyota. And hates EV’s
@@stewartciesla8142 I don't know who he is, but I can't disagree with his hatred.
He does not need to be right, just needs enough people to follow him to make a living.
Sadly, automotive culture has become very fractured like politics and has soured car culture.
Great episode!
Thank you, guy's for what you do!
F that new Land Cruiser it's clearly gone away from its roots.. the cheap price is a red flag actually.. at least it will send your old one up in value, which seems to be the new theme for new Toyota trucks and SUVs
It's not 100k+ like the last generation. It's still not going to be cheap.
In a way it’s closer to its roots. The Land Cruiser wasn’t always a massive v8 SUV that cost an arm and a leg.
@@LoneWolfSparty It can get very close to $90k plus with crooked dealer add ons and mystery fees.
@@georgetown8986quit crying about that. Tons of dealers do MSRP and I just ordered 2 dozen F150s at $10k off THROUGH A DEALER. If you a soft, weak person I can understand why they scare you
The new land cruiser is approachable and actually the right size to wheel it somewhere besides the open desert
I have to say the Escalade is extremely overpriced.
However..I will see a few knuckleheads here in Texas driving them.
We like huge payments and to look rich. Texans don’t understand the difference between looking rich and being wealthy.
Actually, they probably don’t know the difference in being rich vs being wealthy. 😂😂
Born and raised Texan; I’ve seen the change, it’s not oil money, it’s corporate tech money which is MUCH different.
Some have made good money in real estate but they are typically carpetbaggers.
Traditionally, Ford/GM/Chrysler price their MSRPs high, but offer massive discounts to well under invoice to compensate. I think we are returning to that.
Somebody is jelly
@@corvettelifejones8625 yeah he's just jealous of the people who came from the west coast to destroy his very way of life.
@@billmelcher625 nobody is changing his way of life, they have just figured out how to make money to afford nice things and he cant and didnt, like i said jelly and dum .
Very good. Fun conversation between you guys.
This was great, I truly enjoyed it.
The electric car industry is in the 30s with respect to infrastructure. It's so stupid to even compare the two. Give the EV market another 100 years like the petroleum industry has had. It's such an ignorant stance to expect the electric infrastructure to be at a comparable level.
Hydrogen is a better alternative but too many politicians own EV stocks to invest in different alternative energy sources.
Excellent show gentlemen, all three of you worked together to produce an informative entertaining show.
Your spot on about eyes following the fingers. Figuring the distance travel with your eyes off the road equals accidents.
Trivia question answer; Chevy Corvette E-Ray
One thing i wish all hosts, that are walking thru an Auto Show is a have a drop down menu, that shows when they are talking about every manufacturer. Then i could pick the one car I,m interested in seeing what they have that's new. I have watched several, & did not see what i wanted to look at. I have watched several of your reviews, which i like. I,m more of a reviewer Than a walk about.
Lmao the Cadillac experience at the show perfectly demonstrates how the company operates and how their customer base acts
That guy is in love with his voice😂
Great video. Toyota seems to be well positioned with their electric strategy and new models. Crazy that they were getting laughed at last year about the lack of electrics, and now reality has set in and they're being revered for their foresight in hybrids. Tacoma, Land Cruiser, Prius, Sequoia are all big wins. Now if they'd only get us an updated 4Runner. Mine is 27 years old and still going strong. Lexus are great vehicles but designs become stale and there's no excitement in the brand. The GX is a start (though needs help with fuel economy) and TX gets us three usable rows (finally) but the other models need help to appeal to non-senior citizens. BMWs have great design but lack the Japanese quality and are expensive to maintain. The X5 is one of the most compelling SUVs on the market today, and I agree on the platform strategy and that there are too many models. . GM vehicles, apart from the Corvette, blur together and seem to be destined for rental car lots. How many people walk into a GM dealer excited about a model? $175k for a Cadillac SUV is laughable. Ford similarly likes making junk no one wants and not enough of the models that people do want (Maverick, Bronco). Both Ford & GM's all-in approach to electricification was a huge mistake. VW is irrelevant these days. Hyundai and Kia are on the move, though designs are hit or miss. Tesla's interiors still look cheap and desolate, with questionable build quality and safety concerns over removal of the signal stalks. Some interesting models out there for sure.
I would have agreed about the Ioniq 5 ID4 comparison up until now. I think VW has fixed most of the issues with the ID4 with the 2024 version. New motors, new software, new shifter and main screen. As far as the Ioniq 5.... guys where's the rear wiper?? Fix that!!
Update. Rear wiper coming in Q3 for the Ioniq 5.
JFC...
'Transaxle' is not a fancy way of saying the transmission is in the rear... it's a specific term d defined as a transmission, axle, and differential combined in a single housing. Literally every transverse mounted FWD vehicle has a transaxle, as do many FWD vehicles.
I swear, watching TFL is like watching average Joes with a cursory knowledge of vehicles act like they are experts.
Case in point: their towing brake tests that don't actually compare braking power or heat handling because they go by the number of brake applications required, which is a function of engine braking. So, by default, an F150 3.5 ecoboost had inferior braking Vs an F150 5.0, even though they have the same damn brakes.
I absolutely love the new Land Cruiser myself, and am more into go-anywhere than go-fast these days, so Moto Man I'm with you - but I do have to say a heartfelt "WOW" to the new Countach. I always liked the look of the original Countach better *without* the added wing, so the fact that the active wing on the new one matches the body shape and "hides" when it's laid flat is the best of both worlds.
ABSOLUTELY love this episode. I couldn’t have got enough. I love the banter between them, their knowledge and views were awesome. Please do this more and more. The two of them and how they keep their points of view even when they disagree, great! You should even make it part of the show. Ask the viewers who did you agree with most, and make it a bit of a fun competition. Again loved this, please do more together.
I totally agree with you about Tesla. If the Model 3 was a "normal" car without all the gimmicks (if it had a gauge cluster, turn signal and wiper stocks, etc.) it would've sold even more than it has. I like the Model 3, but I could never own one because of the center screen and "minimalistic" design. I call it cheaping out. They put everything on the screen because it's easier and cheaper to do.
Agree, and I'm a Tesla fan. Tesla is going to have to figure it out soon, because the customers have already figured it out. Minimalism is a sales pitch that saves the company money and fools the fanboys. But it doesn't fool the general public. Put the turn signal stalks back, give us some controls that we can use that aren't on the screen, so our hands can find our way to them while we watch the road.
I'm just surprised that BMW didn't beat them to removing turn signal stalk 😂
Totally agree. The steering wheel felt like rubbish as well. I went ICE again and the buttons are really quick and easy to use and the heads up display is great. My wife took one look at the Y and said 'no way'. Suited me because it had no spare, looked and felt cheap inside and I wasn't impressed with the exterior finish. I do not think I'll go EV until some advancement in the battery technology (probably Solid State) because I really don't want to plan trips around charging.
You are not the future. We now have generations of buyers who grew up with one (phone) screen, no buttons or knobs, for phone, text, camera, videos, news, entertainment and shopping (even for a car). So they don't care about stalks and knobs. They care about cost, safety, capabilities, and they want no hassles of dealerships, maintenance and gas stations. They need smart phones and expect smart cars, that are fun and relaxing and do most of the driving. And the best selling car in the world last year was the best value for that.
@@alancapes5644 are they driving their iPhones 80 mph down the freeway, or 30 mph down a bumpy dirt road and trying to find the right menu to get to the turn signal icon while the car and screen are moving in ways that are not sympathetic to my hand? Fantasize all you want about the future, but it will hopefully be driven by practicality, and by what works rather than by abstract notions about how fun it would be if all controls were on a screen.
First time seeing you gentlemen. I'm impressed!
The number 1 thing I think when looking at newer vehicles is that I don't want or need all the technology they pack into them
Meanwhile, Stellantis watches from the sidelines.
They really are rubbish aren't they.
@@MrTonaluv I think the company as a whole is really struggling with European leadership.
You realise Stallantis main markets are not in US?
Great conversation thanks TFLtalk.
The Crown Signia is a very nice looking wagon with great tech/safety features, abundant cargo space and has one of the best hybrid engines returning very good gas mileage. It may sit too low for your average American SUV buyer but I believe there is a market for a very stylish and capable wagon to replace the Venza.
Let's make this an annual episode. "State of the Car Industry," while touring an auto show w/TFL and MotoMan