That’s the sound!!!! That’s that glistening ‘80’s chorus sound that sounded like it sat on top of your sound that always make me say “Why does no chorus unit or pedal I’ve ever used sound like that?” 😆
the 1210 and tri-stereo chorus were the units .....man, nothing gets the 80's better than these two. thanks for loving on chorus. its neglected these days
The hardware has more mids, the software is mid-scooped, otherwise is pretty much same sound. The 1210 hardware is also used by Phil Collen in his live rig, so it's part of the Def Leppard sound, too!
1210 is rack hall of fame gear. My friend Mark who I went to high school with here in Hawaii is an incredible player and loves his Shabbat. Lovely demo my man!
Hands down the best Chorus/Flanger/Doubler ever built. Love mine to death, I sooo hope someone finally does a clone of the Twelve Ten, or TC reissues it at some time.
Man, I had both of these in my 20 space rack back in the 80s. I hate that I sold them. But now I’ve got the TC 2290 DT which is a great piece of gear (plugin and hardware). Great channel. Love your content. Cheers from Texas 🙏
The Yamaha Magic Stomp with the Holdsworth patches has some incredibly good 80s rack style chorus/modulation as programmed and used by the master himself. You can get a good condition used for one for about 150$.
He had it in his Hold Your Fire tour rig (and all of his rigs since) so I'm pretty sure. Most likely in conjunction with a Dimension D, which was another favorite of his.
Damn.. That chorus is golden, Mike.. This is mindblowin' lush! No wonder this was a Luke-go to... When you don't dare to bring a Dytronics Cs-5 abroad... THIS is the shit... THIS is an analog chorus. Somebody tell Shiva/RedSeven...
Mayyyyybe someday TC make this in a pedal...? THAT would be awesome.. But probably not, because analog stuff require space... It would be a big pedal on a board.. It's hard to find a great analog stereo-chorus in pedalformat.. TC's Corona Chorus is joke compared to their 1210...
That neck though. This chorus is incredibly subtle, at least in the first isolated clip. It's clearly there yet it's kinda in the space around the sound. Hence the name "spatial expander"? What I got kinda curious about is how exciting sounds can you conjure if you use the sides having a different sound in each. For the plugin, it seems like your analog unit has more of the direct guitar in it and has some of that lwo mid oomph left that's absent in the plugin. It's not even a subtle difference, like different versions of the same original idea, not just a small revision or parts tolerances. Yet the price difference is so huge it's hard to say the original is worth that oomph if you just want that chorus gene in your tone. But obviously if it has to be THE TC1210 sound, I feel like the plugin will leave you wanting.
Yeah…I’m starting to wonder if my hardware is loosing some of its chorus umph do to aging parts. 🤔🤔🤔🤔 There’s a benefit of a plug-in. No repair costs!!!!
Sounds great. I've been rocking a mini bicomp for close to 15 years. I know there are a ton of great compressors out there, but man I just never feel like I need another one. That was a great buy.
I love that we continue to get plugins like this. So convenient. But the hardware sounds noticeably more "expensive" and like an album. It's just a different, more polished and bigger sound. But you pay for it.
Yes! I waited years to buy a hardware version. I have friends that have been waiting as well. They just aren’t even avail to buy! The plug-in is a great alternative
@@BigHairyGuitars You're so right. I have a buddy I've been trying to pry one away from but alas...lol. BTW, love your Rockman XPR demos as well. Talk about unobtainium and cost!
Interesting. It's Learning to Fly from Floyd, but Rough Boy came out 2-3 years before that album, and definitely has that space solo vibe. Thanks for the comment.
Michael, I finally got a 1210 for my rack. I really love it. Surprisingly to me, it seems to go into the red on the input sensitivity very easily when fed with a line level signal. I’m loading my amp down with a Suhr Reactive Load, sending the line out to my mixer (Redseven MSLM), which has the 1210 in a series loop, then out to power amp/cabinets. All my other fx seem to handle the signal easily and can be adjusted to optimal levels, but the 1210 goes right up into the red even with the input sensitivity on 0 and using balanced cables, ins/outs, etc. Any thoughts on this? How was yours set up in the video? I see you can push the sensitivity up high and still have the LEDs in the green.
In that very last clip when toggling between hardware and software there's a significant drop in thickness and some mids when switching to the plugin. Would it be possible to EQ those frequencies back in to get em closer? Maybe even indistinguishable? If so, I'm getting those plugins haha.
Like maybe use an excerpt of the hardware track to trigger a plugin like the Eventide Equivocate (use it all the time and love it) on the plugin track to EQ match em. That could be an interesting follow up vid to this one. On a different topic, you're a really, really great guitar player. Wondering if there's a band/bands you've been in I may have heard of? Or have you always just been a studio guy?
Plugin has a massive mid hump compared to the hardware for some reason? Love this kinda sound though! And Time Stands Still is a tune! Eric Johnson has a great TC Chorus as well. I've always stuck with BOSS Chorus' though for whatever reason
Damn What a sound!! this sound like Luke his '90 rack.. I know he used this in his live in Paris (ToTo) rack..What A combination!!! Thx for the review !!!
Finally you got around to showing the world your favorit piece of gear! Sounds are amazing and tasty playing as slways! Just got my hands on one of these (1210). When is your next coffee and questions episode? I would pitch in how you use the 1210 as both sides have their own independent stereo (!) chorus. Do you use one side mono in, stereo (with Y-cable) on Output 1 or both sides mono in and stereo out using output 1 and output 2? Going nuts would be going in mono and out double stereo, wouldn‘t it? Keep em coming!
Just a curious question about how you have the 1210 routed to the 2290 , with the effects on the 2290 loop , or into a mixer , Sound is amazing , Thanks for all your work on your channel , tons of great info ,
Thanks. In this case, each FX unit is separately connected to its own I/o in my interface. The processing is done in the DAW, similar to how it would have been done on a mixing console.
Woww, love your playing and reviews man. The hardware always lacks that 10% that creates a fatter tone, with a thicker low end and more body. I guess the secret sauce it’s always hidden in the preamps, but coupling this plugin with another brand’s preamp emulation or even a preamp pedal I’m sure can get you much closer. I always combine pedals with plugins. The plugin alone sounds crazy good anyway.
Gonna say this about the 1210 plug in. Good enough for the girls I dance with! Sweet I get my 1210 fix! They are apparently coming out with a 2290 in pedal form too!
Oh damn that hardware unit in the bees knees. Me wants one but at over 2K it a little bit OP this desktop unit though is right in my ballpark with a little EQ it might be dead ringer for big brother!!! Please do a review on 2290 pronto, I need to hear how this sounds as well, again the original at 3K is *well* out of my league.
It‘s both, actually, at least on „Show of Hands“, plus a Roland Dimension D. AL use all three in his live rig for the „Hold your fire“ tour, the the 1210 providing the baseline flanging (always on), the Dim D providing baseline chorus (always on), and the CPL 2000 preamp chorus (= the front end of a GK 250] added for even more chorussing during leads. Everything said and done, the 1210 does the heavy lifting on ASOH; you can basically get most of his sound without the Dim D and the CPL 2000.
Alex used GK 2000cpl preamps and Mesa strategy power amps. I don't think he used a 250ML except as a backstage warmup amp or a monitor for his guitar tech.
In researching this hardware unit, they referenced The TC Electronic Stereo Chorus + Pitch Modulator & Flanger pedal. Since the 1210 hardware is now unobtanium, will the Eventide Eclipse replace this?
@@lukather1 OH Sorry. I should have caught that. It's early still. ha. The DT version is the closest that you can get without the real thing. I can't find anything else that get's in the ballpark. Maybe a Dim D for the chorus, but it doesn't do the spacial stuff. The plugin is close, it just doesn't have the extra analog heft. But, the plugin is a little more lush as a chorus.
Great video. Does the 1210 go before or after the 2290 delay? I suppose the chorus needs to go before the delay? But how would one get a true stereo image with the 2290 mono in? Thanks so much.
if you have just these 2 boxes, yeah, you'd probably put the 1210 after the 2290. But people often used to pair the 2290 with a Lexicon PCM70, so the 2290 can do switch duties. The 2290 can do chorus, or delay PCM70 Reverb. OR the 2290 can do long delay and the PCM70 chorus. In larger rack systems, there would be a parallel mixer so all of the FX gets blended back together at the end, so all of the mono and stereo FX come together and go out in one big blend.
The 1210 is being applied in-the-mix. I did this so that I could apply the hardware and software to the same performance. I have another video that I'm working on that will also have the 1210 between the preamp and power amp before the cab.
@@BigHairyGuitars can you please also do an A/B of the unit set the same but one being in pre/power loop and another being outboard fx as you have it now. In general, it’s hard to find info on how the two differ. Not sure how actual records were even back in the day. Yes session dudes had their rack rigs (most useful for live but not necessarily studio) but who knows how they actually cut the records in top notch studios. Therefore it’s not fully known which is the best way to do it. With irs for instance one would need two load boxes for each power amp too so there’s that factor as well. Or just two cabs (but who uses actual cabs these days lol)
Michael, you mentioned that in the future you would do a video on compressors. Do you have any multiband compressors in pedal format you could include in that video?
I do have a vid on compressors coming. I don't know of any multi band compressors for guitar. I'm not generally fond of multi-band on guitar. Do you know of any good ones?
@@BigHairyGuitars I know of the TC Electronic HyperGravity which can do multiband through the toneprint app. I'm aware of RT ElecTRonix Multiband Compressor, but I've never seen or heard one that I'm aware of. Boss makes the CP-1X which they call a multiband compressor, but I've never used it and don't quite see how to control multiple compression zones with it. Hence why I was asking for your input. :)
I'm looking for an effects unit with analog dry thru. Do you have any suggestions? One unit for live playing would be awesome. I know the Rocktron Intelli is.... trying to get rid of a huge pedal board. Thanks again!
I’m as nostalgic about 80’s rack gear as the next guy…but most of this stuff was a pain in the ass back then,and even more now….it’s noisy,it’s finicky…I can get as good or better sounds with modern gear than with the vintage rack stuff….I get it though…I really do…I still have several pieces of my 80’s rack stuff..It’s cool to look back and remember when this stuff was cutting edge technology….
It would be fun to compare the Klark Technik BBD-320, a Dimension D workalike that is dirt cheap and has similarities to some 1210 modes of operation. I also am looking forward to you going further down the 80s cleantone rabbit hole. Active single coils and for Time Stand Still I’m pretty sure it’s a JC-120.
Do you think? In my head, he's a 100% prominent 2290 guy, but the 1210 seems to have only appeared from time to time in his rack. I could be wrong though.
That’s the sound!!!! That’s that glistening ‘80’s chorus sound that sounded like it sat on top of your sound that always make me say “Why does no chorus unit or pedal I’ve ever used sound like that?” 😆
“Sat on top of your sound” is perfect. I haven’t played a chorus pedal that didn’t muddy the pick attack.
@@PMiller3425 Neunaber Inspire analog dry though and sounds amazing
@@shckltnebay Totally Agreed and the Mix Dry/Wet Setting is a function that every chorus pedal should have.
the 1210 and tri-stereo chorus were the units .....man, nothing gets the 80's better than these two.
thanks for loving on chorus. its neglected these days
Pink Floyd - Learning To Fly. Awesome reproduction!
Yes. Thanks!!!
The hardware has more mids, the software is mid-scooped, otherwise is pretty much same sound. The 1210 hardware is also used by Phil Collen in his live rig, so it's part of the Def Leppard sound, too!
Hi George how would you Eq the DT to get it sounding right ? Ta
Thanx for the Time Stand Still 👍
The intro tune soothed my soul! 😎🤟🤟 How does this guy not have a million subs yet??? Great content man!!!
Thats THE sound!!! Im obsessed
Love the nice Gilmore guitar sound.
Bought a 1210 new in the 80s the….best chorus sound ever ( in stereo )..when racks went out I sold it…have always regretted it …
🙀😫
wow….. 2 seconds in and my brain explodes. spot on tones and playing
1210 is rack hall of fame gear. My friend Mark who I went to high school with here in Hawaii is an incredible player and loves his Shabbat. Lovely demo my man!
Michael: your use of negative space in that intro is so good. It's something I wish i could impart more effectively in the musicians I work with.
Time Stand Still!
Hands down the best Chorus/Flanger/Doubler ever built. Love mine to death, I sooo hope someone finally does a clone of the Twelve Ten, or TC reissues it at some time.
I wonder if there are parts available to do a reissue. I'd buy one.
@@BigHairyGuitars i have a 1210 rack unit and try to sell it
Getting Gilmour vibes from that intro jam!
Man, I had both of these in my 20 space rack back in the 80s. I hate that I sold them. But now I’ve got the TC 2290 DT which is a great piece of gear (plugin and hardware). Great channel. Love your content. Cheers from Texas 🙏
That intro was great. Giving me big Jason Beckers song "blue" vibes. Very nice!
Thanks. It was the Learning to Fly vamp from Floyd
Dude constantly makes best guitar sounds on youtube. And PhilX.
1210, 2290, PCM70 and toss and Eventide in for good measure. My happy place xD
And a QuadraVerb, an ADA MP1, and a Rockman Sustainor. I still have my rack units.
You missed Pull me under, already palyed in another of your vids, it has that classic 1210 + 2290 all over it
The Yamaha Magic Stomp with the Holdsworth patches has some incredibly good 80s rack style chorus/modulation as programmed and used by the master himself. You can get a good condition used for one for about 150$.
Yep, with that unit, and the manual outlining the presets, you basically get 30 YEARS of his work.... :)
Very beautiful demo and very instructive. You are a very talented guitarist and a gear expert. Thank and lot for sharing Michael. Cheers from Canada.
1210/2290/PCM70 - absolute gear p0rn!
Time Stand Still. Did Alex use that on that song? One of my favorites as well. Thanks for the review!
Don’t know. He’s been a 1210 user for ages. So I just ran with it 😁
He had it in his Hold Your Fire tour rig (and all of his rigs since) so I'm pretty sure. Most likely in conjunction with a Dimension D, which was another favorite of his.
This rack is my unicorn.
So good!
Gosh...that's beautiful!!!
I could hear a Pink Floyd Learning to fly style jam in that intro.
Damn..
That chorus is golden, Mike..
This is mindblowin' lush!
No wonder this was a Luke-go to...
When you don't dare to bring a Dytronics Cs-5 abroad...
THIS is the shit...
THIS is an analog chorus.
Somebody tell Shiva/RedSeven...
Mayyyyybe someday TC make this in a pedal...?
THAT would be awesome..
But probably not, because analog stuff require space...
It would be a big pedal on a board.. It's hard to find a great analog stereo-chorus in pedalformat..
TC's Corona Chorus is joke compared to their 1210...
OH man. That Corona Chorus isn't my favorite, even when NOT comparing to the real thing.
@@kjetilalexandersaltnes8643 but the TC1210 started as the SCF pedal, no? Of course, you would need two of those and still won’t do the same thing…
@@BigHairyGuitars Agreed!
Great opening jam!
Haunting chorus.
That one put you right in the zone,, fine playing Mr
beautiful sounding device man!!!
I pressed play on this video and my hair grew back out.
Sounds amazing. Great playing 🤟😎
Rock on. Thanks!
Yeah that's beyond rad...WHOA!!!
That neck though. This chorus is incredibly subtle, at least in the first isolated clip. It's clearly there yet it's kinda in the space around the sound. Hence the name "spatial expander"?
What I got kinda curious about is how exciting sounds can you conjure if you use the sides having a different sound in each.
For the plugin, it seems like your analog unit has more of the direct guitar in it and has some of that lwo mid oomph left that's absent in the plugin. It's not even a subtle difference, like different versions of the same original idea, not just a small revision or parts tolerances. Yet the price difference is so huge it's hard to say the original is worth that oomph if you just want that chorus gene in your tone. But obviously if it has to be THE TC1210 sound, I feel like the plugin will leave you wanting.
Yeah…I’m starting to wonder if my hardware is loosing some of its chorus umph do to aging parts. 🤔🤔🤔🤔
There’s a benefit of a plug-in. No repair costs!!!!
Hell i'm still using the TC Nova delay from 10 or more years ago . I love TC stuff !!!!
I’ve got one of those. It’s a great delay for a pedal.
Sounds great. I've been rocking a mini bicomp for close to 15 years. I know there are a ton of great compressors out there, but man I just never feel like I need another one. That was a great buy.
Gloriously rad
I love that we continue to get plugins like this. So convenient. But the hardware sounds noticeably more "expensive" and like an album. It's just a different, more polished and bigger sound. But you pay for it.
Yes! I waited years to buy a hardware version. I have friends that have been waiting as well. They just aren’t even avail to buy! The plug-in is a great alternative
@@BigHairyGuitars You're so right. I have a buddy I've been trying to pry one away from but alas...lol. BTW, love your Rockman XPR demos as well. Talk about unobtainium and cost!
Sounds great!
"Rough Boy" by ZZ Top vibes at the beginning
Interesting. It's Learning to Fly from Floyd, but Rough Boy came out 2-3 years before that album, and definitely has that space solo vibe. Thanks for the comment.
@@BigHairyGuitars oh yeah, duh, I hear that now! Haha.
Great playing
Michael, I finally got a 1210 for my rack. I really love it.
Surprisingly to me, it seems to go into the red on the input sensitivity very easily when fed with a line level signal.
I’m loading my amp down with a Suhr Reactive Load, sending the line out to my mixer (Redseven MSLM), which has the 1210 in a series loop, then out to power amp/cabinets.
All my other fx seem to handle the signal easily and can be adjusted to optimal levels, but the 1210 goes right up into the red even with the input sensitivity on 0 and using balanced cables, ins/outs, etc.
Any thoughts on this? How was yours set up in the video? I see you can push the sensitivity up high and still have the LEDs in the green.
You can't get a 1:1 port over from their rack units to the digital plugins. Because, their rack units actually feature a ton of analog circuitry.
Great video Michael, but I would love to see you do another one with Sweep Sync OFF! That's how you get the widest stereo sound 😉
Sounds great 🤘!!
In that very last clip when toggling between hardware and software there's a significant drop in thickness and some mids when switching to the plugin. Would it be possible to EQ those frequencies back in to get em closer? Maybe even indistinguishable? If so, I'm getting those plugins haha.
Like maybe use an excerpt of the hardware track to trigger a plugin like the Eventide Equivocate (use it all the time and love it) on the plugin track to EQ match em. That could be an interesting follow up vid to this one. On a different topic, you're a really, really great guitar player. Wondering if there's a band/bands you've been in I may have heard of? Or have you always just been a studio guy?
Yeah. The last section was very noticeable, but more often than not, they are more similar. I don’t know why it was such a big difference at the end
Good day at the office..😎👍
The plugin seams to have more presence but similar chorus
Plugin has a massive mid hump compared to the hardware for some reason? Love this kinda sound though! And Time Stands Still is a tune! Eric Johnson has a great TC Chorus as well. I've always stuck with BOSS Chorus' though for whatever reason
so cool!
👍🇺🇲❤TC......MAKES THE BEST EFFECT RACKS.....PERIOD.
Sounds so fing good
Damn What a sound!! this sound like Luke his '90 rack.. I know he used this in his live in Paris (ToTo) rack..What A combination!!! Thx for the review !!!
Finally you got around to showing the world your favorit piece of gear! Sounds are amazing and tasty playing as slways! Just got my hands on one of these (1210). When is your next coffee and questions episode? I would pitch in how you use the 1210 as both sides have their own independent stereo (!) chorus. Do you use one side mono in, stereo (with Y-cable) on Output 1 or both sides mono in and stereo out using output 1 and output 2? Going nuts would be going in mono and out double stereo, wouldn‘t it? Keep em coming!
The hardware sounds much more lush, wide and thick. I would expected TC to be able to do a better job simulating the hardware.
Great video, I just got one of the originals, pretty great.
Just a curious question about how you have the 1210 routed to the 2290 , with the effects on the 2290 loop , or into a mixer , Sound is amazing , Thanks for all your work on your channel , tons of great info ,
Thanks. In this case, each FX unit is separately connected to its own I/o in my interface. The processing is done in the DAW, similar to how it would have been done on a mixing console.
DeGarmo had one for sure.
Yes. It’s ALL over the Empire record for sure!
@@BigHairyGuitars Man, I miss Chris DeGarmo...
Woww, love your playing and reviews man. The hardware always lacks that 10% that creates a fatter tone, with a thicker low end and more body. I guess the secret sauce it’s always hidden in the preamps, but coupling this plugin with another brand’s preamp emulation or even a preamp pedal I’m sure can get you much closer. I always combine pedals with plugins. The plugin alone sounds crazy good anyway.
TAL-Chorus-LX - the only BBD VST chorus you'll ever need.
YES! That is a GREAT chorus! TAL makes great great plugins.
I always thought tc had the best chorus sounds. Way back to the old pedals.
Gonna say this about the 1210 plug in. Good enough for the girls I dance with! Sweet I get my 1210 fix!
They are apparently coming out with a 2290 in pedal form too!
All of the TC plugins are pretty stellar.
very nice I had a TC1210 IN 1995 dont ask ! what about a Alex Lifeson tone spotlight ?
that intro sounds like an extra track from the division bell
I read that David Gilmour used this for the delicate sound of thunder tour
Ok Michael, very nice presentation…can you recommend a good shop that can repair my TC 1210? Thanks.
Thanks. Check with one of the guys (Andrew or Charles) in the video description of this video: ruclips.net/video/bkYknrNEZiI/видео.html
Oh damn that hardware unit in the bees knees. Me wants one but at over 2K it a little bit OP this desktop unit though is right in my ballpark with a little EQ it might be dead ringer for big brother!!! Please do a review on 2290 pronto, I need to hear how this sounds as well, again the original at 3K is *well* out of my league.
2290 review is in the works for sure. Thanks! And yes, the 1210 Desktop can get really close to the hardware if you just add a little EQ to it.
That time stand still sound. I always assumed it was the G&K 250 ml.
It might be / probably is. Hard to tell on the direct stuff in that era of Lifeson.
It‘s both, actually, at least on „Show of Hands“, plus a Roland Dimension D. AL use all three in his live rig for the „Hold your fire“ tour, the the 1210 providing the baseline flanging (always on), the Dim D providing baseline chorus (always on), and the CPL 2000 preamp chorus (= the front end of a GK 250] added for even more chorussing during leads.
Everything said and done, the 1210 does the heavy lifting on ASOH; you can basically get most of his sound without the Dim D and the CPL 2000.
Alex used GK 2000cpl preamps and Mesa strategy power amps. I don't think he used a 250ML except as a backstage warmup amp or a monitor for his guitar tech.
Dann Huff riffs, kickin ass
In researching this hardware unit, they referenced The TC Electronic Stereo Chorus + Pitch Modulator & Flanger pedal. Since the 1210 hardware is now unobtanium, will the Eventide Eclipse replace this?
Do you have the settings for these pls I have the Icon series from TC
How close is the DT version to this ? I’ve heard a few demos but your the best at this !
Sorry, what's the DT?
@@BigHairyGuitars
Sorry desk top version ! Ta
@@lukather1 OH Sorry. I should have caught that. It's early still. ha. The DT version is the closest that you can get without the real thing. I can't find anything else that get's in the ballpark. Maybe a Dim D for the chorus, but it doesn't do the spacial stuff. The plugin is close, it just doesn't have the extra analog heft. But, the plugin is a little more lush as a chorus.
@@BigHairyGuitars I’m putting the 1210 -2290 - DVR 250 in my guitar rack - with my helix just hoping to get close to the huffs / Luke’s sound !
on your big hair guitars video ....how did you create the back track for the testing of the chorus modules?
The hardware crushed the plug-in for the Giant riffs for me.
1210 or H3000 similar and damn awesome
Great video. Does the 1210 go before or after the 2290 delay? I suppose the chorus needs to go before the delay? But how would one get a true stereo image with the 2290 mono in? Thanks so much.
if you have just these 2 boxes, yeah, you'd probably put the 1210 after the 2290. But people often used to pair the 2290 with a Lexicon PCM70, so the 2290 can do switch duties. The 2290 can do chorus, or delay PCM70 Reverb. OR the 2290 can do long delay and the PCM70 chorus. In larger rack systems, there would be a parallel mixer so all of the FX gets blended back together at the end, so all of the mono and stereo FX come together and go out in one big blend.
Thanks so much. I suppose that with the studio setup, you have your units in a patch pay or mixer allowing to whatever chain you want?
@@gregorya.haldan2638 Yeah sometimes. Other times, I just manually plug and unplug for whatever I'm using at the moment.
A little delay puts TC 2290, little Reverb puts PCM80 😂
hehe
Very mild subtle transparent unit. The plugin doesnt sound same at all
Where in the signal path was the hardware TC 1210 used? After a reactive load w/IR/
The 1210 is being applied in-the-mix. I did this so that I could apply the hardware and software to the same performance. I have another video that I'm working on that will also have the 1210 between the preamp and power amp before the cab.
@@BigHairyGuitars can you please also do an A/B of the unit set the same but one being in pre/power loop and another being outboard fx as you have it now.
In general, it’s hard to find info on how the two differ. Not sure how actual records were even back in the day. Yes session dudes had their rack rigs (most useful for live but not necessarily studio) but who knows how they actually cut the records in top notch studios. Therefore it’s not fully known which is the best way to do it.
With irs for instance one would need two load boxes for each power amp too so there’s that factor as well. Or just two cabs (but who uses actual cabs these days lol)
Hey Michael.....Great Video! I actually have that same Analogman Bi-Comp in a storage box, that I bought years ago......Is it good??
It's my favorite compressor.
@@BigHairyGuitars It's been in a box since I bought it in 2010 or so......I'll check it out!
Michael, you mentioned that in the future you would do a video on compressors. Do you have any multiband compressors in pedal format you could include in that video?
I do have a vid on compressors coming. I don't know of any multi band compressors for guitar. I'm not generally fond of multi-band on guitar. Do you know of any good ones?
@@BigHairyGuitars I know of the TC Electronic HyperGravity which can do multiband through the toneprint app. I'm aware of RT ElecTRonix Multiband Compressor, but I've never seen or heard one that I'm aware of. Boss makes the CP-1X which they call a multiband compressor, but I've never used it and don't quite see how to control multiple compression zones with it. Hence why I was asking for your input. :)
We should write to Behringer/klark Teknik to clone this and sell it for 199.- .
AMEN
I'm looking for an effects unit with analog dry thru. Do you have any suggestions? One unit for live playing would be awesome. I know the Rocktron Intelli is.... trying to get rid of a huge pedal board. Thanks again!
FM 9 ! Simple
What color is that guitar?
Lake Placid Blue
Can’t beat Analog Chorus units
Sounds good. Sounds just like a Pink Floyd song, only changed just enough to avoid copyright infringement. lol
Any chance you can “kinda“ match this in the Kemper? You have the hardware and your making killer Kemper profiles. 😎
There are ways to fudge the big picture in the Kemper. I have some really nice patches in the Huff pack that capture this vibe, but 1 to 1, you can’t.
@@BigHairyGuitars thank you. Blessings to you and happy profiling.
I’m as nostalgic about 80’s rack gear as the next guy…but most of this stuff was a pain in the ass back then,and even more now….it’s noisy,it’s finicky…I can get as good or better sounds with modern gear than with the vintage rack stuff….I get it though…I really do…I still have several pieces of my 80’s rack stuff..It’s cool to look back and remember when this stuff was cutting edge technology….
How does this compare to the Stereo Chorus+ pedal they made for decades?
Very similar tonality. The 1210 actually feels like 2 of the chorus pedals, jammed into 1 rack.
Wet/dry/wet rules
It would be fun to compare the Klark Technik BBD-320, a Dimension D workalike that is dirt cheap and has similarities to some 1210 modes of operation.
I also am looking forward to you going further down the 80s cleantone rabbit hole. Active single coils and for Time Stand Still I’m pretty sure it’s a JC-120.
John Petrucci deserves a prominent user mention🙂
Do you think? In my head, he's a 100% prominent 2290 guy, but the 1210 seems to have only appeared from time to time in his rack. I could be wrong though.
The hardware is just.........uugh! So sad knowing I will never own one :(