Eva Moskowitz on Fighting Unions, Politicians, and The New York Times
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- Опубликовано: 24 май 2016
- An in-depth interview with school choice pioneer Eva Moskowitz, who's the founder of New York City's Success Academy charter school network.
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Success Academy in New York City is the nation's most celebrated-and controversial-charter school network, where the kids beat the rest of the city on the annual standardized English and math exams by an enormous margin.
Its founder and CEO is Eva Moskowitz, a former City Council member who sank her own political career back in 2003 by speaking out about how unions stifle schools.
So she left politics, and in 2006 started a charter school. A decade later, Success has grown into a network of 34 schools serving 11,000 kids, and it’s often hailed as a shining example of what the school choice movement can achieve at its very best. This month, Moskowitz received the 2016 Savas Award for Public Private Partnerships, from the Reason Foundation, the nonprofit that publishes Reason magazine and Reason TV.
At that event, we sat down with Moskowitz for an interview. The discussion touched on the barrage of negative stories in the press on Success in the past year, including a video of a first-grade teacher berating a child that was published on The New York Times website, and the revelation that a Success Academy principal maintained a secret “got-to-go” list, naming 16 kids with behavioral problems that his staff should encourage to leave the school. We also discussed Moskowitz’ recent ideological evolution from liberal to somewhat libertarian.
About 14 minutes.
Produced and edited by Jim Epstein, who also conducted the interview.
Interview cameras by Meredith Bragg and Izzy Skenazy.
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Republicans need to get behind this lady and this school.
sandy ray good idea. A moderate liberal is better than an elitist from the democrat party
Cody Vector I don’t care what you believe so long as you’re not a communist.
@@Beavereaver definitely not that.
Not necessarily. Her model works only because the kids can be sent back. If you want real cross section is that they take students in the same way as all other schools in the district.
@@patrickmcshane7658 the kids are selected by a lottery and they have less family displacement(families who leave the school each year as a %) than local district schools while receiving less funding
20,000 wait list for 3400 spots? Doesnt that tell you that this school may be a better alternative to union run government schools that are failing?
But feelings
@@kingofthorns203 And money. And power. And control. The list goes on.
This woman is a National Treasure!!
She shouldn’t just run for mayor of NYC...
She should eventually run for the Presidency of the US!
I thank god for this woman.
I wish the fucked up schools I went to in Brooklyn had a "got to go" list . That's why I raised my kids on long island.
Dude, let her answer the questions.
Eva Moskowitz should be education secretary. But she does so much good out in the field I feel better knowing she is running her amazing schools.
More of this please.
20,000 for 3400 spots...demand is very high...and it's a lottery to get in. It costs $11000/yr in taxes to educate a child in the public system...why not make all the schools private and hand out checks to families and let them decide where they want to go?
That's what school vouchers are, and many states either have them or are in the process of implementing them.
@@Excedrine Funny to see Koch garbage Reason cheering for Charter Schools (which are public schools and define themselves as Public Charter Schools. The government fund it, they don't select students. They just operate independently from the Districts. Over 90% of students in the US study at public schools [the number one economy in the world] And this has been the case since time can remember. Same thing in all the other OECD top countries.
So Koch garbage obsession with ideology, rather than results, is a fiction that he and the tiny numbers of irrelevant Libertarians, who never get elected to any office, are swimming in.
@@HusseinDoha Public sk00ling in America has been a stupendous failure, with many districts failing to churn out students who are even basically competent in math and reading at their grade level, or lower.
The only garbage here IS *you* expressly wanting to keep parents from being able to send their children to *functional* schools, in whatever form they may exist in. Funny how you bitch and moan about "ideology rather than results" when, if you had actually ever taken a good look at OECD data (and we both *know* that you haven't so don't LIE to me by saying you have), other countries spend less than half as much as America does per-student and per-capita and get demonstrably better results. People like *you* are increasingly irrelevant, and your commentary reeks of desperation with *your* obsession with verifiably garbage ideology. BTFO.
because its actually best to have competition otherwise the pendulum swings the other way. only private schools? kids will be on waitlists and wont get to 1st grade til theyre 7 yrs old.. write checks and vouchers? where is this magic money coming? then it'll end up like college tuition and prices will increase and the vouchers wont cover the cost. Back to the start
@@lolwtnick4362 The only reason there are wait lists in the first place is because public sk00ls suck ass. If private schools replaced public sk00ls, wait lists wouldn't be a problem because there would be more than enough open seats, and tuition would go *down,* NOT up. *You* need to start over.
She’s a solider. Much respect.
Would like more in depth look at the "Success Academy".
Ok
Brilliant woman, keep up the good work!
Are they trying to say that public (union approved) schools do not kick problem students out? I know an elementary school principal who works very poor area that has a ton a kids with behavioral problems. She kicks them out all the time.
And they immediately come right back like a boomerang. It's as if they never left at all.
Also, personal anecdote is not data.
@@Excedrine except that her charter schools have less families leaving than the local district school as a %
So, Success Academy isn't perfect. Can anyone argue they are not a better alternative to the public school system which doesn't even strive to perfection?
Funny to see Koch garbage Reason cheering for Charter Schools (which are public schools and define themselves as Public Charter Schools. The government fund it, and not they don't select students. They just operate independently from the Districts. Over 90% of students in the US study at public schools [the number one economy in the world] And this has been the case since time can remember. Same thing in all the other OECD top countries.
So Koch garbage obsession with ideology, rather than results, is a fiction that he and the tiny numbers of irrelevant Libertarians, who never get elected to any office, are swimming in.
@@HusseinDoha A lot of text without arguing that the charter school system for public schools is better than the current standard. "ideology rather than results" - this school has better test scores than the others in its district that use the standard system, I would consider that results.
@@jowenck2057 he is copy pasting
I have no issue with weeding out problem kids. Kids with anger issues need to be seen by a therapist, not a teacher. Problem is, many of these kids parents don't like being told their kid is a problem. It creates a lot of issues at a school that is disruptive to other students. I was one of these kids when I was in 3rd and 4th grade.
Yeah
This guy made the hard questions AND he let her talk. This was such a great interview!
listening to this guy's voice is like nails on a chalk board.
He suffers from what's called "vocal fry". It's a real thing and is a problem.
Don't know if it was available two years ago, but now there's the "Text-to-Voice" software. It reads text and out comes a robot voice, with foreign accents if desired.
Think about the children unless my job is on line - Teachers Unions
Thank you for the video!
What is wrong with kicking out children with "behavioural problems"?
Gives me hope that someday the public school system will be abolished purely because there are so many better private alternatives that nobody will send their kids to public schools anymore.
We can only hope, and for goodness sake let's teach finances in schools. I still don't understand why it isn't taught. I have kids now and I have to take part of Saturday and then do lesson plans about budgeting, medical insurance, mortgages, etc. I'm not an expert, but no reason for my kids to learn the hard way.
There will always be a "market" for the traditional neighborhood public schools. These "private alternatives" are almost always high-performing, zero-tolerance schools which will not think twice about kicking out the disruptive kids and/or kids who are difficult (and costly) to educate. Where would these kids go to then?
@@sohrabsivam Funny to see Koch garbage Reason cheering for Charter Schools (which are public schools and define themselves as Public Charter Schools. The government fund it, they don't select students. They just operate independently from the Districts. Over 90% of students in the US study at public schools [the number one economy in the world] And this has been the case since time can remember. Same thing in all the other OECD top countries.
So Koch garbage obsession with ideology, rather than results, is a fiction that he and the tiny numbers of irrelevant Libertarians, who never get elected to any office, are swimming in.
@@HusseinDoha enough bro... we heard you... stop spamming... lunatic.
More power to FREE thinking!
Im ultra conservative and I love Eva
Incidents like one of the teachers “bullying” a student happen much more often in in public schools. I should know, a friend of mine was often shoved around by a 6th grade (last year of primary school) English teacher.
Charter Schools are public schools. They are just managed differently. Funny to see Koch garbage Reason cheering for Charter Schools (which are public schools and define themselves as Public Charter Schools. The government fund it, they don't select students. They just operate independently from the Districts. Over 90% of students in the US study at public schools [the number one economy in the world] And this has been the case since time can remember. Same thing in all the other OECD top countries.
So Koch garbage obsession with ideology, rather than results, is a fiction that he and the tiny numbers of irrelevant Libertarians, who never get elected to any office, are swimming in.
Uh... Yea this lady has a lot going on for her. She should run for Mayor of NYC.
Moskowitz is an example of a liberal that can open her eyes, and admit that big government isn't the answer for all American problems. I think when it comes to being a libertarian, she should educate herself more about issues like healthcare, etc..
She answers like a politician.
Of course she does. She's a politician.
If only this guy would interrupt every other answer that his subject is trying to give, that would make for such a good interview!!
Omg run against DeBlasio please
The real strength of charter schools is that they get to select who attends them. Kids with social problems get left in the public system, and the best get dawn in. As a teacher who has seen this happen in education, I have to admit that it helps the kids who leave while it hurts those left behind as problem students get concentrated.
A fair video in the while.
Dale you lie. They don’t get to choose. They have to take them by lottery
My kids both attend charter. One is lottery due to demand, the other accepts all applicants as they are a new charter. I have also taught at charter, and let me tell you.....we had plenty of kids with massive social problems. Not one student with discipline issues was removed. Title 1 school, incredibly high 504 population. Way higher than the area public schools. I didn’t think it was a great school honestly.....but the area public high schools were not safe places.....I can’t blame parents for sending their kid to that mediocre charter. It was a safe, warm environment....but it was no Success Academy!!!! I have also taught public and never resented charter. May the best school win,
@@jennifermoore6321 agreed on the safety issues.
Canada's public system is different than the US, and big city schools are far different than smaller towns.
Covid this year has resulted in many problem kids staying home. My class is SOO much different with a few behaviour kids gone. This is the benefit of charter schools. The most challenging families do not take the bother to put their kids in a different school. This very small group has massive effect on the learning of the rest.
THE UNION WAS REQUIRED IN 1910 BUT NOT NOW
I agree that poor kids should have the same right to a disciplined classroom that a rich kid should have, and that disrupters should go. What I don't understand is how blaming teachers contributes to that? Is weakening teachers the answer to discipline? How ironic that opponents of the Union often accuse Unions of "shielding" teachers who use discipline to the dislike of some parents or kids but then she does the same thing to the applause of her supporters.
The shielding by Unions isn't for the teacher disciplining and striving to be #1 in the city. The shielding by Unions are for teachers who fail to teach kids how to read by middle-school.
Kevin Smith Is there anything in the Union constitution that stipulates that Unions are for teachers who fail to teach kids to read by Middle School? I would love to read that there. Are you even remotely interested in holding these kids to account for their own failures?
If you can't read by middle-school in the United States, there were a lot of failures happening from parenting to teaching. As a person who went through the public education system. I can attest to the fact there were a number of teachers that were there for the check and baby sit. It's these kind of teachers who fail students and should be fired. I had a teacher who was absent for 1/3rd the year surfing.
For New York City in specific, the firing of failing teachers should be done. In 2014 80% of New York City High School graduates failed to meet the basic requirement to enter Community College. That number is probably skewed by the Charter System schools who typically perform double their public school counterparts on average in standardized tests.
Kevin Smith 1/3 of the year surfing! WOW!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! I need to get on to that gravy train. Umm...you might consider that you were told that but that something else was going on you were not told about. Did that teacher return the following year? If not, they were probably placed on Administrative Leave, quite possibly for some reason that was bogus.
No he was back the next year, and it came from his own mouth.
If you want kids to learn and have a nice environment where they can grow you are not putting kids with behavioral issues with them
She could accomplish more and help more people if she stays a FDR Democrat. Republicans and libertarians and kind of radioactive in NYC. If she stays a FDR liberal it will be harder for her opponents to dismiss her politically.
If she was an FDR DemoKKKrat, she never would have done this in the first place.
Looks like a well run institution. My uninformed speculation aside, 6 is to 1 application to spots ratio prove that parents seem to love it. Why the ideology driven partisanship regarding this type of an educational choice?
That girl who had her work ripped up may not have enjoyed it, but I bet she doesn't fuck her work up again next time.
oh come on ive been smaked by a teacher worse than this that little yelling fit
I wonder if Eva Moskowitz is still a Liberal?
ITS NOT CALLED THE THE NY SLIMES FOR NO REASON
If this woman hasn't been on the joe rogan podcast, she should be.
New York Times #StopBashingTeachers
i am a right leaning but l love libertarians. much more sensible than the left
Great! She understands that government is the problem in education. Choice is the solution. But when asked about other areas of government overreach she indicated she is still in favor of an octopus government. Seems hypocritical to me. She has a personal stake in this charter school and is making $. Everyone else outside of education if she is mayor be damned I guess.
People have a hard time leaving the conceptual bubble they were born into. She sees her approach as effective in schools because she understands schools and their problems, but can't envision scaling it to other areas of the economy because she doesn't have experience there.
Why is Eva still a Democrat ???
"the teachers are in full command of their classrooms", is one of the things you praise this school for doing right. For god's sake i thought you were libertarians! You can't just say, great, liberty, self-independence for all, take control of your own life *whispers* unless you're under 18, then you have no say over anything you do.
By putting children in authoritarian environments, shocker, you are getting them used to living in authoritarian environments when they're older. Please think more about this reason.
5:15 "Let's just say, the worst allegations are true - she is counseling out the hardest to teach. She is creating this poor man's private school. Why is that a bad thing?" It's not a bad thing. Just don't judge public school teachers who work and hustle their asses off trying to instruct the "hardest to teach" in your own words who are not accepted into charter schools when they do poorly on a state exam or as the reporter later states, "steals time and attention away from other kids" in a classroom. That's it.
What's so bad with unions again?
***** That's what I was thinking too...
There are several bad things about Unions ranging from the small to the public sector Unions.
From an every Union standpoint.
The Union protects the worst workers in the company from being fired. It diminishes profit and the companies reputation. It also lowers the benefits other more productive workers would earn. For instance most Domestic brand vehicles have reliability issues. Imagine if they did not have the worst UAW workers on the line assembling parts. Its not really a US issues since Right to Work states have been churning out some of the most reliable vehicles on the road.
The Union negotiates benefits and wages which may make a business inviable. If the cost of labor is more than the net income, the business will just go under taking everyone with it.
The Unions do not see the individual workers. They negotiate fair wages for everyone in spite of personal effort and ability. It does not promote excelling. It also does not allow for a more personalized benefits package. An 18 year old probably would want money instead of a 401k plan considering they cannot contribute until they are 21. A single guy probably won't want maternity leave.
From a public sector union.
The boss they are striking against is you the citizen.
They are really difficult to get rid of unless the state goes bankrupt.
The union dues they earn go to lobbying against the common citizen's behalf.
Also the middle-class did not come from Unions. The middle-class came out of the industrial age and the liberalization of economics.
Why do people bring up ending Child Labor as a good thing? Preventing children from earning pocket change unless they work on a farm has been the effect. I know what I was younger I would have preferred to work 4 hours a week for some pocket change. It also fails to look at child labor. By the time Child Labor was outlawed, there was a relatively low amount of child labor primarily in agriculture. It was a law that came after it was already out of practice and effectively raised the cost of raising a child. Child labor before the 1900s was also common and not something that came out of the Industrial Era.
In other countries that relied on child labor in modern times, there has been a shift from working poor wages to just starving when it was outlawed. Ending a practice does not end its need.
Also why did you bring up a bunch of non-capitalist nations are pariah's of free market capitalism? That one is still baffling me.
I think your view on the Great Depression is a little skewed. In order for it to be true, the 1780s to 1920s could not have happened. The growth of nations is slow. Its easy to see us at an $18 trillion economy and think it happened over night. It was after building the infrastructure and skill set of the populace to make that sort of production possible.
If what you say is true about Unions rising during the Great Depression, then how was the 1920s such a good era for the average US citizen? I find that its the Industrial Era, Capitalism, and the Liberalization of economics which grew out the middle class. Unions had little to do with this and many of the things they brought into common practice have been done after they were already common practice. They just reduced the flexibility in how to operate a business.
Why are you now talking about crony-ism?
I fail to see how your statement that the largest percentage of people had the largest level of wealth sometime in the 40s. You know during WW2 or during the Great Depression depending on your country followed by rebuilding. I believe the wealth you are referring to is the wealth of the 50s under Eisenhower. This was mainly an effect caused by savings. Directly after WW2 a lot of people suddenly had a lot of back pay and bond repayments. Large amounts of savings leads to large amounts of investment. Thus a boom lasting until the late '60s.
Why I bring up history is important. Nations are not built over night. The development of the United States is no different in these regards. The only difference is the rate of development in the United States was much higher. This had a lot to do with the political environment. It was the transition from Feudalism to the Enlightenment. The Enlightenment brought forth many liberal ideas like those outlined by Adam Smith and the United States constitution. Much like other Capitalist nations going from agrarian to industrialization, the United States experience rapid economic growth. This has been a similar case for nations like Hong Kong, Singapore, and more recently Botswana.
Now this is why history is important. This growth in the United States happened before 1940. It was replicated by other nations after 1940. We started to see the rise of the middle class not in the 1940s, but during the peak of industrialization. To say that the Middle class and Unions go hand in hand is to ignore the origins of the middle class.
Now you bring up several erroneous arguments that I really don't see what has to do with the benefit of Unions.
First slavery. Lets dive into history for a bit. Before the 1800s many nations practiced slavery. Under liberal ideals nations begin getting rid of slavery in favor of capital based labor markets. The thing left out of a lot of high school US history books is the South also had some desire to end slavery. The problem was economics and politics. First we have the political issue of tariffs. Nearly all the tariffs in the US were paid on goods from the south since they had a lower populace to vote on interstate tariffs. The south wanted a higher representation in Congress which is how we got the 50/50 slave state rule, and the 3/5th compromise. Second we have the economics. The few slave owners in the south would lose a lot of production as a result of switching their labor from slave to wage. The south also wanted $2 billion (1860 equivalent) to abolish slavery. This was the main disagreement which led to secession of the southern states. The non-slave states would not negotiate on this as it would mean a higher makeup of southern politicians and a more even distribution of interstate tariffs. The systemic racism that might be used here really didn't matter to slavery in the United States. They were discriminatory against everything during this time, Jews, Irish, Italians, Quakers, you name it.
Second is debt slavery. There is an easy solution, don't rack up debt. Or better yet don't vote for spend happy politicians who deficit spend and create the need for low interest rates.
Third 2 wars, what does this have to do with Unions?
unions breed mediocrity
Unions gave us the two day weekend and ended child labor in the US. Conservatives would like to roll this back in the name of "freedom".
Unions definitely have a place in history and have done some wonderful things for our working class and working world. However, do they do anything today? At glance they seem exist to further their own existence, and stifle progress.
Nope, Henry Ford started the path on two day weekends (40hr work week, specifically) It worked well for him so enterprises slowly adopted the measure. Child labour laws were already an insignificant part of the economy when it was outlawed. Unions didn't do shit!
skidmoda The decline in labor union participation since Reagan has coincided with the stagnation of middle class wages. Free trade policies and "right to work" legislation is killing the middle class.
The free-market gave us the ability to work when we want for as much or as little as we want. Free-market wins again.
***** Absolute free markets gave us slavery until the federal govt abolished it in 1865. Absolute free markets gave us children working for slave wages in coal mines, because freedom.