This is a ramble. I had so many thoughts swimming around my brain because my thyroid levels swung the other way and I'm currently suffering from hyperthyroidism which means EVERYTHING is in overdrive. Metabolism is on fire, sleep is elusive because brain and body want to do tae-bo, thoughts are moving like a vhs on fast-forward so I thought it was best to just have a sit down and see what thoughts come out. Kind of like free writing but with with a TSH of 0.15. Welcome to my horribly sleep deprived, moderately malnourished musings! The song is Dichroic Mirror - Essence Immortal
@@SirenASMR_ I'm really sorry to hear about your struggles. It's hard enough balancing your physical and mental health when one thing has your hormones out of whack but when two things are tugging at those strings - I can imagine it being an absolute nightmare. So many people don't realize how much your hormones have to do with how you're feeling. When my TSH went from 2.2 to 6.1 from September to November and then tanked from 6.1 to 0.15 from November to December That kind of thing takes you on such a mind-melting roller coaster. I'm ready to do cartwheels down my hallway at 5:00 in the morning with sleep being the furthest thing from my mind. My metabolism is soaring and I have no appetite so I dropped 10 lb in a month. I wish there were a magic medication that could just settle all of us thyroid people down so we can live a comfortable existence.
This "ramble" I won't call it that, is from your honestly.. which is also part of, or hand in hand with being your real self.. you speak your real mind.. Enlightened and Actual.. You will always inspire,, Thanks as always.. Cheers from Huntington Beach CA... @∅
@@angelabenedict I have hypothryoidism and BPD, a lot of the symptoms magnify each other so I'm mad twice :D But if mine went Hyper, I dunno what I'd do. They only upped my meds to 100mg per day this year so.
Goth is the celebration of taboo and challenging the oppressing social norms. It followed the metal and punk genre of the 80s, which 80s Goth was the thing. But Goth was never the music genre and never will be. Fashion is not Goth at all. It was a trend that followed the music genre. Also, I hate to break it too that a lot who say they are aren't. It's not supposed to be being plastics. The new music that has become modern is no issue to being Goth either. Industrial Dance and in general EBM is as Goth as post punk and metal. People used to call Maralym Manson and Evanescence Goth in 2k. Those artists came out to say they never were. However, challenging the dress code, the super Christian oppressive culture challenging the oppressive social norms follow the actual Goth trend. The clothes and music are more of a symbol of it. In terms, Goth can dress with no stereotypical goth look. It follows more a part of your being. It has always been "a celebration of taboo and challenging the oppressive social norms." You could say more or less. It's a standing out outsiders approach with morals against the norms of society. Ex. society wore color so goths wore black. The Adam's Family Approach. Jk. The societal outsiders.
I had a friend as a teen (90’s) who was goth, really into the music. In her bed room she had a shelf full of Care Bears, she loved those bears and she wasn’t ashamed of it.
If somebody asked me what music I listen to and I said "Oh I'm a goth" they would be confused asf. I told a friend of mine that I'm goth and she replies "oh so you listen to rock or trap..?" Gurl. *Side. Eye.* And I'm like no! That's not it at all goth music is goth rock, death rock, darkwave.. And she said "One of my goth friends said that goth music is rock and trap". And I reply "Well then she's a poseur" and she says "No I know she dresses like that". My comment on that? Just a *bombastic side eye*
@@angelabenedictAlso about what you said that people like the music but don't know it... I have a great example of that. My mom. I show her names of goth bands I like like sisters of mercy, siouxsie and the banshees, joy division, the cure...and she says that she likes their music too. And then she says she doesn't like the fact I'm goth. Another *bombastic side eye* for my mom
It's definitely generational because us millennials and you Gen X Goths took the time to learn about the subculture. Whereas now you have social media channels that make it look like it's only visual. There's a lack of respect for the scene because people (usually outside of it) try to force it to fit when they hate the music and just like the fashion. I always list recent Goth bands for those who are not in the scene or who may be new. It's a way to help bring them in. Lebanon Hanover, Selofan, Denuit, Secret Shame, Kaelan Mikla, Drab Majesty, Rose Garden Funeral Party, so many more!❤❤
This makes me think of SLC Punk when Stevo talks about posers in the mall. It also reminds me of the character Mike who didn't "look punk" but he knew who he was, he went to the shows with them and enjoyed the music. Makes me smile.
I know i like goth music, i love the ethereal side of it and the synths but i always feel like i still have a lot to learn. I've heard this term before "tourist goth" which in some spaces of the subculture is used in a playful way to describe someone that knows the music but is not fully present in the subculture, like a visitor. I feel like it is my case haha Thank you Angela, your playlists have help me find many artists love today ❤
As a Christian and a 30 year old goth woman I listen to goth music, darkwave, metal , grunge, etc. But I also listen to country music and pop music too from the nineties and the eighties . The way I see it is that you can listen to music and still be goth just ignore the haters and just be yourself 😊😊😊😊😊😊
I consider myself a goth since middle school though I never listened to the music much, except for the Cure. I loved and love many gothesque things, like the literature (Shelley, Stoker). I was a huge Anne Rice growing up. I was obsessed with Phantom of the Opera and wrote dark poetry. I only wanted to watch horror or read horror novels. Today, all of these interests are still intact in addition to the love for gothic decor and fashion. I'm one of those who I believe would love goth music if only I could find my kind. I would love some recommendations please
Well, given what you've told me thus far about you shows me that you have a penchant for the more atmospheric and dramatic. So to that I would recommend The more melancholy and the ethereal. Sometimes rather than a band I like to start people off with specific songs to gauge where their head is at. Check out a song by Faith and the Muse called shattered In aspect. Then try, Drab Majesty - foyer, Frozen Autumn - Onyria, paralyzed age - blood sucker, the mission - pale empress, switchblade symphony - clown and Lycia - A Failure. These are all very commonly known songs within the golf community but they're these are all very commonly known songs within the subculture, but they're also very different from one another.
Sorry in advance, I wrote a lot. But listening to others journeys can help find music I had a hard time finding goth music too, and my gateway (everyones gateway is different) Evanescence. NOT a goth band, but they had some gothy, goth adjacent songs that opened my mind: Haunted, Understanding (all versions) Even in death, Field of innocence, Bleed, Give unto me, Farther Away, and Lies, which got me hunting for darker and heavier music. Mostly dark and goth(ish) soundtracks: Queen of the damned, The crow (has a song from the cure in it) and La terza madre. Eventually finding single tracks by accident online, Milagro by Anabantha, Spellbound by Souxie and the banshees. Christian death - The loving face Switchblade symphony - Naked birthday Paralyzed age - The grave shall be forever Black tape for a blue girl - With my sorrows The march violets - Snake dance Psyche - Goodbye horses Bauhaus - Bela Lugosi's dead Looking up dark films, goth dance, dark choreography/ies helped, and eventually I found Faith and the muse. My favorite albums are Evidence of heaven and Ankoku butoh. With The sisters of mercy: Floodland and Reflect on this. And by Requiem in white: of the want infinite. Currently I'm checking out Leva, Twin Tribes, Tsaffire, Actors, Plastique noir, Vesturon Vulture, Death loves Veronica, Vandal Moon, Mareux, She wants revenge, Auger, and The faces of Sarah. edit: and Echoberyl (sorry, I forgot one and it's a good one)
@@angelabenedictI have listened to every sing you suggested and like every one but the Frozen Autumn song. I am particularly drawn to Switchblade Symphony!
I am in my 50's and was part of that original era. Yes, we would play to much Joy Division and Bauhaus but we mixed in many other kinds of tunes. Thrash Metal, Doom, Shoegaze , even surfer music helped us all find that sound path . Don't gatekeep yourself! Even now I find new bands and styles that draw me in. As an older geeky emo type I enjoy blackgaze, newer post punk and even some freeform or acid jazz. What's most important is flow. Let that creative current guide you. Dont play with it to much or ask to many questions, be primal. If a door opens, and you can perceived something transformative, step inside. Remember, under that porcelain skin is a skeleton 😊
Absolutely!!.. 50 as I type this,, Dec 22nd 2023,, We got called DeathRocker by the older Punks,, Jack from TSOL and Exclusive Shop workers, Like Electric Chair, Goddess employees, Music Market More Goddess haha,, Bauhaus, Southern Death Cult, Sisters of Mercy, Joy Division, Depeche Mode etc,, Finding that Tone or Spirit, as you said, is found many places, The Song MY SHADOW, by Jay Retard,, to me has this, Ever heard?... Sieve Head, hope I spelled it right,, Reverb, Post Punk, unique is a understatement,, found them a while back,, still is a game changer,, modern Post Punk, like Alter of Eden, or RANCOEUR, it's a Great time for Music.. Please send any suggestions,, cheers from Southern California
Agree... you know when you are a goth when you listen to the music. When I grew up in the 80s I didn't fit in my friends boxes. I did love some of theirs, but always turned to something they didn't like. Some years after I read about it and discovered the word goth. They wrote about the bands and then I knew why I was different compared with my friends. That was before computer and all search possibilities. Thanks Angela and have a great Gothmas 🦇🖤🖤🖤🖤🦇
Growing up in the '80s (as in pre-internet Sub Culture days with only occasional videos on rotation on MTV, certain bands touring and only "fanzine style fan magazines"), it must've been unique to be an Early Goth. Interesting. Also over the last two years, as I've watched more & more Goth sub culture documentaries here on RUclips, I find the more "personal stories" fascinating. Yes the music & the fashion, but I just enjoyed seeing people, rather mainland European or my fellow North Americans, find others around them finding them fascinating or odd or cool in their own way. Or just unique. I must say in the pre-internet generations, things certainly must've been harder though also fascinating from a different angle. Though alas I am glad that the late '90s "internet boom" happened though, as it ultimately brought many more people together & connected
@@He_Loves_Horror it was so much harder. Specially if you wanted that special album. That took weeks to get, if you found a record shop that could import it to you. Earlier years might be harder cause the lack of access. But also felt more open without people decide over others what’s ok or not. You could have your taste and way to express yourself. And the most important thing when you discovered friends with similar intrest.. we actually hanged together, had fun and talked. No phones in the hands when we enjoyed each others companies.
Oh yes I remember the early CD (compact disc) days of started in collecting them more around 1997 when I was in Middle School. You also had to REALLY be into that band or that soundtrack because it always costs around $18 bucks or over. So not a lot but even still buying two albums in a row added up (plus I'm an American and we have our infamous sales tax that Australia & I believe European nations don't have to worry about). I'm also glad online shopping came into the fold as alas I was never too into goin' into shopping centers (malls). I also don't have the strange prejudice that some have for them but I'm honestly just not a sociable person. And yes my main complaint about Western nations are among that: People constantly looking at their Smart Phones and also complaining that "no one is really socializing" when they, themselves, are not trying to start conversations. So yeah, like many elements of the so-called western world, I sometimes just plain scratch my head at it all.🤔
I think Kai Decadence explains the technical aspect of Goth music well in his video called How to Get Into Goth Music. I find I generally like the sub genre Darkwave but I am starting to find Ethereal and Coldwave interesting after 10 months of putting in effort lol Plus, I got to go to my first Goth Night in my city! Im happy we have a scene and I have to say... there is nothing like hearing the music in person with others!
You are literally the momma bat on RUclips. I’d watch your videos when I was going through the people trying to normify me phase over past 5 years. Your story times always brightened my days and your extremely nurturing soul inspired me to let out my extreme momma bear. Which I’m always learning how to balance 🤣. I’ve had a few come up to me in past year thanking me for me always being me as best I could as I inspired them into the seen. Small town in countryside kind a boring community same aul same aul. It made me so happy and one of the many reasons I keep aspiring to inspire myself so that one person that might need to see a wordering weird one out in wilderness of Ireland might realise something and begin the unlocking of der soul 🖤🦇.
Thank you so much! I'm sorry you had people on your butt trying to change you -- good on you for digging your heels in and staying true to yourself. Don't be too hard on yourself, balance is a constant learning experience. No one has it down to a science.
@@angelabenedictI know that now or should I say I always knew balancing is constant learning ting. Unfortunately my scared empathic heart was not ready to fully let out the momma bear till a healer I went to told me “dark and light is not good and bad and keep that dark part of you” and also “why would you want to tame momma bear the world needs someone to RAAAHHHHH”… an that’s when the penny dropped to say F this if it makes people uncomfortable that someone ticks all boxes of beautiful highly intelligent extremely nurturing no problem telling people no and or defending myself and my pack (chosen families)… they can all sit in der rusty dusty musty nests they tried force onto others!!! RAWHHHH MEANS I WOV YOU BUT DONT PSHHH ME OFF IN berserker 🖤🐻🤣🤘☘️🦇🌊🔥☀️❄️🌱.
@@AurianLunaLou I love it! It's so true, dark and light is never about good and bad - It's all about that balance. My zodiac is literally represented by the scales and I still struggle 😂
The weird gatekeeping is why most subcultures are fading out. One thing I love is when you said goth is goth, why sub category everything? I felt that to my bones. I got called goth by others but the actual goth didnt like me because I didnt wear typical looks they deemed good enough. I was obviously a minor and my mom didnt allow me to wear these things. Then the idea a christian is goth is controversal for some reason. Then I just set to fit wherever I can. Im more into literature, music, gaming, and decor than clothes but it is coming together. 😅
Someone finally understood the goth community. I feel blessed to be part of the alternative community. Though close can be hard to find due to wieght and store avalibility. The culture is about music. I love music. Its beautiful. I understand its difficult to define goth. I love being goth. Its a music culture right. Theres so much music.
I don't think that's a bad idea. A lot of parents have a min age limit for when their child is able to use social media. I often wonder tho if I was just lucky that my self discovery in in person spaces didn't lead me into danger or if that method was better because you were more cautious by default.
Love cat analogies. Always the best way to explain things ♡ Thank you for the explanations. Saving this to share with other peeps who are confused. Hope you take care. 🌹🌹🌹
I think this video helped me a lot. I usually try to ignore labels since I am an enjoyer of EVERYTHING. While I love goth music, it’s only a percentage of what I listen to. But “feel it in your soul” is something I resonate with. When I was 12 I remember writing in my diary ranting about how Frankenstein was gothic literature (not sci-fi 🙄) and watching Munster marathons and having the Cure lyrics imprinted on my brain. I feel like that is my soul, my true self before I was distorted by the internet and FOMO. I miss when it was that simple for me haha
As one of my Favorite Musicians said…”Music is a world within itself…With a language we all understand.” Thank you Mr. Stevie Wonder… This hit home with me. As a minority it was incredibly difficult to fit in to the aesthetic of being Goth….I am old school school ‘80’s so you know no I didn’t quite fit in. But there I was listen to the Cure, Bauhaus, Joy Division , Siouxsie and the Banshees, AND…singing Classical Sacred Music, Gospel, and Pop with my school choir. My mom was pretty liberal about my wardrobe. However, most of my clothes were in bright neon colors. My Happiest moment was getting a pair of black pants. As I became more reliant on myself from my own income, my wardrobe slowly changed over the years. However, when I became a mom, my wardrobe reverted to brighter colors and easy to wear fabrics. In 2001 I went on my first ever official Goth wardrobe, shopping spree. I guess you could say my born date was in the 80s but I didn’t step out until the 2000s.
That’s what happened when I watched your first Poney Falls video. The song playing was Sleep by Requiem in White. Now, I didn’t know that song was Goth. All I knew was there was something about that song that I liked. Requiem was technically the first Goth band I’ve ever heard.
Being Honest, with yourself and what feels, is more important than anything else,, " Goth" as many other subculture,, look and what's been inspired by, the Labels get, throw around, almost without investigation or study, Example; Punk, Now bands get tagged Hardcore, which is wrong, Emo, was Emo, not bands tagged Emo, by misinformed hater's, Posers bands trying for the Taking Back "Thursday" sound, Actually Post Hardcore, getting called ... Of all things,, ScreamO,, Which was we called Poser Scene kids who never went to shows, also driven by Hookup culture,, never a part of the Modern Hardcore ideal, Now bands like BOTCH, ORCHID, get this mislabeled term, As Goth is.. somehow everything now, The Cure!?,, Yikes,, never goth,, Etc.. I find new music all the time,, Darkwave etc,, Jay Retard, My Shadow,, on its own ,, has this Dark vibe and driven.. you could dance to it,, it can't be Goth or Dark whatever causes it's.. Hipster,, that's laughable.. Send me any band to check out.. I welcome it.. cheers from Orange County California.. @∅
Thank you for your videos Angela . They truly mean a lot . Love the fact that you mentioned that you don’t have to be all teased up and suxsie makeup to be goth. Sometimes social media eats my head saying “ you have to look like that “ and I feel I’m not enough for this subculture. It’s crazy !!! Please make a video suggesting new bands I need to dive in into new goth bands ❤ tysm
I feel like if you want to categorize yourself as anything, just leave it at goth. When you add more to it, you're not simplifying anything, you're limiting yourself.
This is how I know I’m goth: I love old school industrial too, I love nü metal, I love a lot of things. HOWEVER, goth is where I feel most at home. It’s the thing that resonates the most with me, listening to goth music makes me feel more like me, if that makes sense. The label “goth” exists in service to us, to help us better express what we mean; we do not exist to fit under a label.
Whoo, I'm glad I caught ya right before I was about to go to bed lol. Anyways I appreciate you and your channel. The way you sit down and talk to us about the goth scene and your experience is like talking to a friend or older sister, but I'm learning a lot so you're like the best kind of teacher as well. Overall, you make navigating as a babybat a less daunting experience for me because of how warm, kind and patient you are🖤🦇 I remember not being fond of Bela Lugosi's Dead the first time I listened to it but Rosetta Stone's "The Witch" was the song that reaaaally did it for me and pulled me in it's grasp and never let me go.😁 (I do have appreciation for BLD now but at the time it wasn't the best song to introduce me into the scene)
Hey! I'm glad you caught me too! Thank you so much for the kind words, I'm glad that you appreciate what I do here. It's nice to just sit down and have a chat sometimes. I think we never stop learning and we all have something that we can learn from each other. I'm with you, I didn't like the song Bela lugosi's did when I first heard it either. I felt that intro could have been cut down by like 75%.
My goth identity is still focused mostly on music, and dance. I would never dream of wearing any shoes, makeup, or clothes that made it difficult to dance to my favorite songs. Also, I tend to be very biased towards 80's, 90's, and post punk for the same reason. Not impressed with the new school. If the wrong DJs are spinning on an particular night, or the venue's dance floor is crap (or nonexistent), it's a no go. Also, bring a pair of sunglasses to events, and if the lighting is too bright or annoying, throw them on. If enough goths do this enough times, management eventually gets the hint.
My opinion, Labels suck in general, I refused to be shoved in a box and to be bound by the confines of someone elses definition, i refuse to be confined to the size of that box. Everyone should be free to grow and be what they want. I'm an Aaron , you be a you, and If people don't accept you because you are who you are and not what they expect you to be, well that's probably not someone who would be a good friend anyway.
For me, it was a combination of the literature and the music and the fashion and basically trying to combine all of those things together. I have some very embarrassing stories about being a teenager and actually thinking that I was a vampire which now I think it’s kind of stupid but it was fun when it lasted. It’s unfortunate that when I was getting into subculture and trying to do some research online, the first thing which came up was unfortunately the Sophie Lancaster murder, so I kind of got exposed to the hate that we get pretty early on. when I was 16, I was lucky enough, however to get a compilation CD which had come out in 2006 called The Goth anthology which some of it was a bit hit and miss, but a lot of the songs were Staples within the Goth club playlist.
I honestly feel that we as a subculture should revert back to some of the 90's mindset of priding ourselves on being intelligent and well spoken. With the vast amounts of ignorance abounding, let's rebel against that. Ignorance and laziness are for Normies.
the sophisticated goth starter pack reminds me of the picture of Rozz Williams in drag with an old style veil sitting on a gravestone where Rozz's legs are obscuring certain letters on the gravestone so it says "fucker"
You define yourself, you wear what you like, I know it sounds corny but be you, as for the music if what your listening to doesn’t resonate with a part of you then find something else that does, I listen to new wave ,retro, dark synthwave, most all of the genres of music and eras. It can be said “goth” comes in many forms and styles there all different what form you gravitate towards that is you. also hope that you feel better too.
The gatekeeping must stop. I was called a poser in the 90's because I listen to all kind of music but absolutely love dressing goth. I knit and crochet too and have been called old lady and not a true goth for doing this hobby. It is way too easy to get stuck in gatekeeping in fear of being the outcast of the community. I have always been very welcoming to new people no matter what genre I have ever been in. Thank you for this video
Thank you! Honestly, when it comes to the whole gatekeeping thing, I feel comfortable saying that it very, VERY rarely comes from true goths. It comes from people who aren't actually involved. Literally every single person who called me a 'fake goth' weren't goth. Some were straight up normies who saw that I wasn't hypersexual with a choke based OF and didn't listen to Lil peep and others were the 'I'm a goth because goth is whatever you make it' people who wouldn't know a goth band if one came up and farted in their face. When it comes to people in the subculture, they're here because they love it and without people, it dies. Gatekeeping benefits no one.
Isn't back in the 80s and 90s thifting and making your own outfits common in the goth community? You have a skill mang wish they could, like myself. I can relate to you. ❤
I was goth before I even understood what goth was! I am now over 20 years plus in goth subculture and reality has set in that I will be goth forever! I am proud to be the goth mom scaring every one at the PTA meeting. It’s always about the MUSIC
Haha, I mean the fact that you're showing up to the meetings and being a supportive mom says, despite you being a goth - you're still a fierce mama bear!
Exactly. When it comes to things like fashion there are so many people who dress in ways that are not in any way associated with say their style of music that they might enjoy or even subculture if they're part of any. It's like the people we know who listen to Goth but they dress very normal, no hint of goth in their attire. Some people are just drawn to the aesthetic and will openly admit that they don't like the music and that they're not a goth but the look feels part of their personality. Like you said, more for us!
I remember back in the 90s at the Mission goth club in Edinburgh, the dancefloor would come alive when the DJ put on the spice girls. Only the baby goths were in shock :)
Idk if this is just me, but for the longest time I had this problem, but I took time understanding who I am and what I know I like, and I dissected it to its core components. I knew what I liked just never knew that there was a subculture that captured it pretty much perfectly. Hit me out of nowhere, got mad curious, got mad satisfaction.
That's the beauty of curiosity, it leads you down the path of interesting discoveries. It's all about the journey. The journey is what we remember the most and that's all the experiences that we've had along the way.
Oh my gosh! Some of your videos about being a goth in the 90s make me wish I was there. But this one makes me really glad that I listen to a lot of goth but also hyper pop and wear a lot of hot pink and have a Taylor Swift poster on my wall, and just don't worry about it!
Once again, your experience you shared feels relatable to me, on old baby bat, as I consider myself. There are many who get into Goth on the gate of the esthetics, of fashion. I did and I tried on the music without liking almost anything from it, at first. But heck, I decided to listen to it, not the things I remotely liked, but also some of the things I did not. I let them flow and get to me. And some did. So, getting into Goth changed my relationship to music in general, in a way. So, for some, making yourself enjoy Goth music, if you want, is possible, if you are motivated enough, if you are open-minded enough and if you are relaxed enough doing it. This may sound weird, but it is my real life experience. It sounds like forcing yourself in a relaxed way, paradoxically. I do still listen to other genre, I realized that, if I stick too much into Goth music, or a certain section of Goth music, I kind of ”loose the vibe” but, if I listened to various genre, I can return to Goth more easily. And, in a way, this is true regarding the rest of the music I enjoy. By the way, the music you use in the background of your videos made me discover some artists I really enjoyed. In the first months of Goth music, I was pretty greedy, trying out different artists, lots of them, like a hungry stray dog who has not tasted a decent piece of meat in a week. Now, I tend to be a lot chill about it, as I can not try on every Goth artist I find out about online, and stick to certain artists and albums for a longer time. And indeed, guitar heavy Gothic rock can be a good background for writing horror.
Very nice video & I hope you, your family & friends all have a good holiday 👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻 I've always said as long as you truly like one genuine goth song from any sub genre you can consider yourself a goth & apart of the subculture. It doesn't matter what you wear, the makeup, tattoos, piercings, literature, artwork, movies, or the macabre... I mean that's a bonus 💀 if you do like them things but you don't need to. Once your really apart of the subculture it is a great thing more or less also help people that are just coming into the scene as well because we want to keep this going forever 🖤
Your audio and visual is on point , have you ever done a video on the equipment your using , I vlog or make music and wow your quality is frigging amazing , always love your lighting as well !
I do like a few 80s bands, like bauhaus and the cure. But i listen more to modern goth bands like drab majesty, twin tribs, she past away, vision video. Est.
You deserve 10,000 worlds laid at your feet Mistress,if my words can alieviate a grain of your discomfort than I have served a noble purpose.You Darling of the space beyond Dusk have no idea how many of us live vicariously through you,so you get better and spoil yourself however you have to in order to self rectify.We need you & your stories to keep us going Goddess.Corvine Crusader
I’m so glad I figured out my gender and socially transitioned… I want to say before all this, but really it’s during all this, because it taught me a lot. It taught me to ignore other people’s opinions and listen to my intuition, what felt right. It taught me that boxing yourself in with labels is not always helpful. It’s better to forget about labels and figure out who you are, what you feel, what makes you happy, what do you want your life to be like, stuff like that, and then after you feel like you’ve figured that out is when you could think about labels (or not). Never let a label limit who you are, never try to mold yourself to fit your labels, never feel like you can’t do something because you have to apply a certain label to yourself/fit a certain label first. Like who cares if you are goth or not, that’s not what’s important. The question is what music do you like, what fashion and aesthetics do you like, what kind of people do you vibe with, what kind of activities do you like? Just do whatever you want, and ignore the labels. At some point you might or might not realize “oh shit I’m goth”, after having been into goth music / goth stuff in general for a while already. But don’t put the label first. The label is unimportant. I feel like with the internet we think we should neatly categorize ourselves, we need to put a hashtag to ourselves, need to categorize ourselves into an existing “type” of person or rather consumer. And that’s bullshit. Be unlableable, be a person not a brand. You don’t have to fit a mold, you can be many things at the same time, you don’t have to fit your entire life and being into an aesthetic, that’s impossible and you’ll only hurt yourself in the process if you try to make yourself fit. No one is doing gothy stuff 24/7. In fact trying to limit yourself like that kills creativity and joy. In conclusion, acab includes the genre police.
You are far to beautiful for your own good,I find myself having to watch your videos twice to hear your entertaining stories my dear because I spend the first go round marveling at your lovelyness.Corvine Crusader
That is very kind of you to say. Especially since I posted this video incredibly sleep deprived And under the weather. I was feeling quite self-conscious🖤
goth scene was the reason I was reading Rimbaud at 15 X) , I think this is one of the things the subculture was a good influence on me I read a lot of good stuff very early on, and many still hold up as references for me today. We are of similar age and is funny for me to see how some things were universal. Except the identity stuff, it was super uncool in Portugual as a ''goth'' to label your self as such, like labeling yourself was poser and ''real goths'' were above labels when it comes to people and use labels just for music or art.
Here in the '80s and early '90s, labeling yourself as a goth was much the same as your experience in Portugal. I think as time went on, with younger kids in their very early teens getting involved, We were so enthusiastic to find something so vast beyond the ubiquitous societal norm constantly being shoved in her face. It was like discovering this new amazing thing that was as you said, so influential. We got a bit hyperactive about it and definitely through that word goth around whenever we could because we felt so proud and privileged to a found such a thing. Again, like you said it exposes you to so much more. Normal 15-year-olds aren't reading the literature that you were but the subculture and the music kind of - not quite enforces but inspires more creative thinking. Poetry, literature, culture that you didn't really see among freshmans in high school.
@@angelabenedict ah I understand better now what you mean, taking in consideration a more concrete scenario of teenagers fresh into the scene, it was like that aswell. And btw I was also in a couple fetish parties while underage unfortunetly, lol, and I knew the organizers and they knew I was underage, when I think about it from this perspective I'm like 'wtf'' and also shows how times have changed and things that were considered ''normal'' are now more reflected upon. Anyway that inspiration you refer is what made it a great home / escape, and the influence it brought and still brings it's very present in my life. I remember also the fact that queerness was not only accepted it was very open in the scene, in a time when a gay couple / lesbian couple simply holding hands on the street was a big nono and could put you in serious danger (it still can happen today, but far less than 23 years ago), people were kissing and making out freely at the goth club. A group of us used to go to the local gay club after the goth club, just because it was open a couple of hours longer than the goth. Anyway even if we wanted to go anywhere else we would not be allowed in because of how we looked, gay clubs were liberal about dress codes. There was some kind of mutual understanding.
This was very fascinating! I’m not a goth, just a Nerd 🤓 but I am fascinated by other cultures and it was nice to hear about yours from your prospective. Thank you for opening up. 😀
I know I'm a rivethead and a goth, because I like industrial and goth music. My favorite goth genre is gothrock. I like post punk, deathrock and darkwave, but I don't like ethereal at all. Coldwave is a miss or hit.
I feel like more people than not straddle both subcultures It's just one foot is set more firmly in place of one or the other. That has a lot to do with the cohesiveness of earlier industrial and goth along with power subcultures overlapped by way of sharing both venues and dance floors. It's helped us kind of grow together but be our own separate thing but still have a fondness.
@@angelabenedictI think there is still a little overlapping today, since I see it during festivals in Germany. I feel lucky due to that, because I can experience it to a degree. As for me personally, the overlapping began when I was a teen and early adulthood. Both popped into my life close to each other, which is most likely why I consider myself rivethead and goth. One of the most important thing to me is to try keeping them equal, to balance. They are both equally important. My friend calls me a cyborg bat. 🤭
@@christie_exist That's so cute! A cyborg bat. The two can definitely coexist inside one human very harmoniously. 1 minute a dark melancholy ballad hits you hard in the feels and then all of a sudden, incomes something aggro and stompy to balance it out.
We call them gatekeepers. Subcultures are here for everyone to explore and it is only you who can define and pick the label for yourself. There are so much more to being a goth than just the music and the aesthetic and you are not under any law forced to embrace all of it. Someone who is into all the literature and movies but do not feel like they have to spend 2 hours in front of the mirror every morning for makeup and/or hair is just as much a goth as I am! I welcome every brother & sister who want into this family of bats 🦇🖤🦇
Gatekeeping is necessary in any subculture in order to keep out the false information. Goth is a MUSIC, based subculture, period. The literal definition of a Goth is "fan of Goth music". Books, movies, etc are Gothic, not Goth. Just don't be a poser.
@@Anonymous-wb3nz To a certain degree I can agree that gatekeeping is there for a reason, and that the modern age goth is originated from a music scene. What saddens me is that we seem to have this issue with people who are not even allowing the *free trial-period for individuals who are just starting their own exploration to their identity by acting all high and mighty instead of taking them under our wings and guide them.
You deserve 10,000 worlds laid at your feet Mistress,if my words can alieviate a grain of your discomfort than I have served a noble purpose.You Darling of the space beyond Dusk have no idea how many of us live vicariously through you,so you get better and spoil yourself however you have to in order to self rectify.We need you & your stories to keep us going Goddess.Corvine Crusader
I wanted to express myself in an alternative style myself at a young age. Mom being a devout Christian wouldn't have any of it and it didn't help that she saw anything different like that being of the devil. What kind of life is it to grow up being told being yourself or trying something different is evil? Edit: plus there was some twit hanging out at our house that took it too far and that didn't help at all.
It comes from fear. Anything that they don't understand is evil. It's like that primal childhood fear of being afraid of the dark. It's fear of the unknown.
@@angelabenedict it seems to be a recurring theme with humanity. Even though mastery of this fear can have the potential to save someone as an individual. That's just my opinion on the unknown.
TDLR: Labels work best for products and aesthetics, not people. People will always be more than labels. The identity question is always an interesting one to me. I was just thinking about it the other day, and considered posting some thoughts on r/goth. Lately I've been taking the view that goth works well as an interest, but can be limiting if one makes it their whole personality. I'm now considering that Goth is better as a label for products like the music, fashion, and decor we like, rather than people. Today we have so much selection to choose from, there can then be a question about "How much do I have to like a thing?" or "What amount of time must be invested for me to be 'worthy' of the title?" Those can be valid questions, though they have the power to shoehorn and direct us into a narrow way of thinking. Thinking that we have to be something, rather than simply allowed to enjoy something.
I am a metalhead who likes many styles of music including goth. My favorite goth band is Fields of the Nephilim. But as far dressing goth never really appealed to me. I am to lazy to put that kind of effort into looking good.
So many people these days are trying to rip the music away from the subculture. I had an argument with a guy who trued to argue that there is a fashion goth subculture, to which I responded is, fashion has no values, and is just a trend, thus you can't build a culture around it More disturbingly recently I had to deal with an actual fucking nazi who hates trans people who argue that goth music is classical, and that goth started in the victoriam era, and that *snort* gothic architecture started in victorian england..... He also claimed to know history. Hell I even had a guy who admitted he isn't a goth talk like he knows more about it than me because he has "goth friends".
when I was in high school I listened to a lot of new wave, electro/electroclash, industrial, techno, post punk, alternative rock, indie, classic and psychedelic rock from the 60s-70s, Celtic music, 90s dance/rave, disco, folk, just a lot, and I did dress kind of goth, as a teen / young adult I started going out to events/clubs and I definitely felt like I had a place there but I wasn’t truly a goth, I liked goth music and dressed eccentric but I just wasn’t a full on goth, i feel like my style has really gone down hill but I’ll always be listening to music ya know, i feel like i could still show up at a goth night and feel like i belong there
I think the media played a big role in all this, all us younger people were fed movies and shows that had everyone grouped in neat little bocces “goths” were different from “nerds” were different from “punks” were different from “artsy kids” But in reality, I’m ALL of those things, because I’m a person and not a caricature. But we do feel that pressure, to find Our thing and stick with it forever. That one day you’re going to find one style, one music genre, one hobby, and it will just click and you’ll be happy with that one thing forever. But that’s not how it works, especially not for me, I got adhd, I go wherever the dopamine takes me. Today I’m listening to goth albums on repeat, tomorrow who knows. But divorcing yourself from the expectation to flatten yourself into one dimension, it’s hard!
Most interesting of timing with this video and recently I have strayed away from metal and been feeling very lost with music. its too easy to go back to my collection of classic death metal, but it's as if metal doesn't do it for me much anymore 😿. I have peeked my head around the corner at goth music on the odd occasion, but I can never get into it even though I admire it and the subculture. being musically homeless is something very new to me.
I felt exactly like this when I was in college. Apart from listening the music, I felt like I needed to prove myself by reading every gothic/dark novel possible (i.e. Bram Stoker, Mary Shelley, Anne Rice, etc) and write poems or otherwise I would feel like a fake goth. Now that I am 33, I think how silly I was and laugh about it.
I'm so happy that you made this video It completely answered the questions that I've been pondering over for years since I was a kid . About saying if I wasn't Goth enough because i didn't fit the complete Aesthetic from head to toe . I'm Goth and I listen to a lot of Flamingo video game and Fantasy music especially from creative artists like Aron Von Ziggaler
This is slightly connected but mostly unrelated, but have you heard of the band "The Dark Theatre"? because I found an old talk show clip which had the leading member of the band on - sadly only 3 of their songs are available on youtube, but hard to find. I ended up ordering a CD of theirs because there's just no other way to access their songs - Do you know if they were popular or have any information about them? Me and my friends were able to make digital copies of the album's songs and are looking into wats of sharing it with others, since its a shame that there's just no way to listen to them otherwise
I have their CD and remember them. The dude pretended he was a vampire to make a buck. There were a whole bunch of wannabe vampires roaming about in the 90's.
@@megmcguigan3857 yeah, i saw him talk a bit about drinking blood on the TV show 😅 but the music is really good, glad i took a chance on the CD My friend has uploaded our recording of the album to RUclips to try and bring some new life to it and spread the music to those who haven't heard it ruclips.net/p/PLFDVi3IQKK8y_XZnC9paR4KolX4A5OyyF&feature=shared
my journey started with Industrial & punk before i liked a lot of metal & alternative. I was also into a lot of Philosophy & some literature still am. i really like the ethereal side the most but i also dig the post punk goth rock & Death rock side to it as well. thanks for sharing your thoughts as always Angela your outfits are always cool to see 😎 take care.
For me goth was more literary (books, comics and poetry). I had some goth music but a lot of it was mixed in with grunge. I remember this girl telling me I wasn't gothic enough because I didn't look like an extra from the Crow. My makeup was softer, and she was judging primarily on fashion. Books and music really kept me alive back then, when I could either not afford the fashion or got a lot of clap back from family that were hysterical during the satanic panic.
@Anonymous-wb3nz That's true, but think of the literature and poetry that inspired those bands. Robert Smith was very taken with Kafka, Siouxie and Smith were both fans of Poe and Baudelaire. Music encompasses Goth, but Goth has inspiration in Gothic literature.
I listen to a lot of different genres. BSB forever lol. I do mainly listen to “metal goth” music, so I consider myself a goth. I don’t typically dress like one, I usually wear band t-shirts and shorts, and that’s okay. I’m comfortable with myself (to an extent) I do have some “goth” outfits, but like a meme said: only goth 10% of the time, the other 90% we’re in our NMBC pjs rummaging through our fridge looking for snacks at 3 am lol
I was probably a bit of a late-bloomer goth. I grew up on 80's Metal and 90's Alternative while being in an isolated country town with only a few goths around. I liked some songs from Marilyn Manson but he just didn't resonate with me because he came off as too angsty, and slow tempo melodic goth music was nice as background music but was too calm for my liking. However, I was unique, had my hair in huge spikes over my eyes, and was always standing out and trying to find my own style. My look was kind of a mix of skater, punk and goth, so I was generally told that I did not fit as a goth even though I loved dark themes and the macabre. It wasn't until after highschool that I finally discovered underground industrial music and I finally understood that I just had different tastes than other goths, but was still very much gothic. And I think because it's so rooted in my expression of individuality that it has literally always stuck with me even into adulthood. With or without the goth movement, I feel I'd still be expressing myself in similar ways with fashion aswell as being dark and weird, and I think that most of us that are truly attached to dark music and dark themes are the same way.
@@Anonymous-wb3nz At the very least, just listening to Marilyn Manson wasn't goth nor did I feel his image of being goth that was worth adopting. But it did resonate with some of the kids that claimed to be goth. Who are probably adults now and grew out of it. Lol
I'm goth, and I have a deep, dark secret... My favorite color is pink. I really love the Backstreet Boys. My favorite movie is Robin Hood: Men in Tights. I collect sparkly tiaras. One of my ultimate best friends is a "basic girl". When I hang out with this friend, I dress like her and we both think it's funny. One of my friends who is certified Goth Queen ™️ really LOVES BTS. One of the ideas of goth is not to fit the mold, not to conform. So why not be goth and like other things too? It would make for an epically boring world if we were all the same.❤
There are quite a few legendary bands from the 80s that I'm not a fan of. Including The Cure, Joy Division, Alien Sex Fiend, Christian Death, Depeche Mode (not strictly goth but lots of goths love them). But I like many others. And I'm way more into 90s and 00s goth music than 80s goth, and I always joke about goth inquisition coming for me for that 😁 But goth music is so diverse, and there is so much more beyond the "staple bands" - if you don't like those, look for others, maybe those you heard just didn't have the "right" vibe for you. I guess the reason people can struggle with all this is precisely this diversity of goth music. Metal is metal, even with all the incredibly different genres and styles it's still metal, easily recognizable. The borders of goth can be more confusing for people because there are guitar based genres, synth based genres, some things are closer to punk, some to synthpop or neoclassical even, that can be very confusing for the newcomers. And add to that all the different ways one can express themself in terms of goth fashion... gets even more confusing I guess. But there's no need to overcomplicate it all. Love what you love, and if it's goth music - congrats, you're goth, whether or not you look the part. Most of the people I know in real life who love goth music and can engage in interesting conversations about it don't look like goths at all - I'm pretty much the only one "visibly goth" among them, so what? Take it easier. We're all here for the music, first and foremost.
When I was teen in early 2000-2010s goth was smth like weird to me, guys who hang out on cemetery and listen to Lacrimosa. Yes, I was interested in all those darkly inclined literature and macabre, made makeup and wear dark clothing, all was goth, but I've never thought that I'm goth, alternative kid - yep. Poor kid I was. Because when I grew up and had more information and found your channel I found out that actually I listened and listen to goth bands, that I am already into goth subculture and that isn't smth new. Kinda wow feeling))) I agree with all those "box" thing. Why you have to put a label on yourself and have those strict measurements? I don't feel it right, you just love the music and everything comes naturally with it. I'm knitting carrot-orange scarf while listening to that video and I don't feel less goth while not wearing only black and without makeup. Because that doesn't define who I feel myself.
I like a lot of goth music, especially the older stuff, but I like a lot of other music as well, but often along a similar vein: The Doors, Tom Waits, Velvet Underground, etc. Dave Matthews is fun too. Music is Everything! My wife and I always dress dark, but not Edwardian or Victorian. Patchouli I've always associated with Hippies. You can have your calligraphy. I just bought a couple of antique typewriters from back when they were all black. Pagans don't proselytize. As my wife said, "I celebrate anyone's religion." You be you. Don't be/do anything not you. I've never considered myself to be goth, but I never considered it something to strive for either. Gee, your description of the '90s sounds a lot like how I remember the '60s.
Beyond enjoying the music or otherwise participating in the music base of the subculture, I would go a step further and say one would also need to/want to accept the goth label for themselves. By not accepting that label, you are saying you like those gothy things, but it is not really how you want to define yourself.
The Era long passed, good or absolute Bad, made those of us, who lived though it, survived it,,, a unique soul, Some of us actually forced into defending your appearance,, trivial as it sounds, it was actually, Only, Completely Everything!!, my Area of the world was very violent, dangerous, we had to stand up for what we ,, just looked like, I respect the modern struggle to find your individual Self.. To me, always Anchored in Music.. what drives you.. Be Music, feel it, .. Cheers from Orange County California, from a 150 year old DeathRocker kid...
I felt dejected a lot because goths have (for lack of a better word) bullied me cause they didn't like my eye make up. Mostly guys telling me I looked like i got punched in the face and it was only cause it wasn't stereotypical goth make up. My first goth friend was very emotionally abusive...as in he was an asshole to me. He agreed with them and for some dumb reason I didn't stop being friends with him until after he (knowing I had a boyfriend) kept flirting with me and eventually sent me an inappropriate picture. I just dealt with it I guess cause I live in a small town and wanted to be a part of the scene in some way even if it was online. I don't have to prove anything to anyone anyways cause though i started looking different on the outside I was into the music and subculture for years before that. I dabbled in the fashion, but yeah I wasn't sure until about a year ago that this was me. And yeah it was cause of all this overcomplication and trying to live to some rigid expectation.
I have been interested in the goth scene since either the late 80's or early 90's or both. I liked goths cool looking I guess is the word. I guess I thought then being a guy especially in my 20's that even though I was liking the goth scene and loved everything about how they dressed. Loved goth women how they dressed and still do. Really cool. I didn't think I quite fit in. I listen to metal music mostly from 80's metal to black metal. As well as other music types. Years later while I still think I don't quite fit in I got the concept that none of that matters. I have no idea why. 1 I may figure out at some point. But I still love the goth scene. And I like watching your videos. Really good and really cool. 👍👍
I never consider myself goth. 5 years ago my friend recommend me joy division,it wasnt my think but spotify start to make playlist with the cure and it was the rabbit hole for me i was listening to darkwave,coldwave (lebanon hanover ,twin tribes etc.)i didnt know thats all this music have subculture under it but i always like the dark and alternative aesthetic so it was natural to "adapt"the aesthetic in my everyday clothing like rosaries,fishnets... Bc i was in love with rozz wiliams,peter murphy type of fashion .But i never understand the urge to have looks like a 80s goth everyday everymoment have rules whats is consider goth and you have to have some sort of label.
I did not know this! Thank you for letting me know. Hey, maybe they have some big announcements on improvements and advancements in treatment and cures for thyroid diseases prepared for them. I got my fingers crossed and I will send it out into the universe. Thank you so much for the well wishes. Have a happy holiday season.
@@angelabenedictT I take it with the grain of salt but stimulating vagus nerve slows down the heart rate, most dangerous side effect of hyperthyroidism. The safest way of stimulating vagus nerve is gargling.
It was soothing listening to you. I thought I’d only tune in for one minute but then the topic became more interesting as it progressed. I’m confused on your age. I’m assuming you graduated HS in 97 which would make you 18+26=44 years old today (that can’t be correct).
I would never have guessed. You look 10 years younger. I’m a closeted goth professor so apropos to your topic, I don’t walk around in public all “gothed”out.
This is a ramble. I had so many thoughts swimming around my brain because my thyroid levels swung the other way and I'm currently suffering from hyperthyroidism which means EVERYTHING is in overdrive. Metabolism is on fire, sleep is elusive because brain and body want to do tae-bo, thoughts are moving like a vhs on fast-forward so I thought it was best to just have a sit down and see what thoughts come out. Kind of like free writing but with with a TSH of 0.15. Welcome to my horribly sleep deprived, moderately malnourished musings!
The song is Dichroic Mirror - Essence Immortal
I understand. I have hypothyroidism, peri menopause and it makes it hard when thyroid swings up and down . 🤍
@@SirenASMR_ I'm really sorry to hear about your struggles. It's hard enough balancing your physical and mental health when one thing has your hormones out of whack but when two things are tugging at those strings - I can imagine it being an absolute nightmare. So many people don't realize how much your hormones have to do with how you're feeling. When my TSH went from 2.2 to 6.1 from September to November and then tanked from 6.1 to 0.15 from November to December That kind of thing takes you on such a mind-melting roller coaster. I'm ready to do cartwheels down my hallway at 5:00 in the morning with sleep being the furthest thing from my mind. My metabolism is soaring and I have no appetite so I dropped 10 lb in a month. I wish there were a magic medication that could just settle all of us thyroid people down so we can live a comfortable existence.
This "ramble" I won't call it that, is from your honestly.. which is also part of, or hand in hand with being your real self.. you speak your real mind..
Enlightened and Actual..
You will always inspire,,
Thanks as always..
Cheers from Huntington Beach CA...
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@@angelabenedict I have hypothryoidism and BPD, a lot of the symptoms magnify each other so I'm mad twice :D But if mine went Hyper, I dunno what I'd do. They only upped my meds to 100mg per day this year so.
Goth is the celebration of taboo and challenging the oppressing social norms. It followed the metal and punk genre of the 80s, which 80s Goth was the thing. But Goth was never the music genre and never will be. Fashion is not Goth at all. It was a trend that followed the music genre. Also, I hate to break it too that a lot who say they are aren't. It's not supposed to be being plastics. The new music that has become modern is no issue to being Goth either. Industrial Dance and in general EBM is as Goth as post punk and metal. People used to call Maralym Manson and Evanescence Goth in 2k. Those artists came out to say they never were. However, challenging the dress code, the super Christian oppressive culture challenging the oppressive social norms follow the actual Goth trend. The clothes and music are more of a symbol of it.
In terms, Goth can dress with no stereotypical goth look. It follows more a part of your being. It has always been "a celebration of taboo and challenging the oppressive social norms." You could say more or less. It's a standing out outsiders approach with morals against the norms of society. Ex. society wore color so goths wore black. The Adam's Family Approach. Jk. The societal outsiders.
I had a friend as a teen (90’s) who was goth, really into the music. In her bed room she had a shelf full of Care Bears, she loved those bears and she wasn’t ashamed of it.
awwww, this is so cute!
If somebody asked me what music I listen to and I said "Oh I'm a goth" they would be confused asf. I told a friend of mine that I'm goth and she replies "oh so you listen to rock or trap..?" Gurl. *Side. Eye.* And I'm like no! That's not it at all goth music is goth rock, death rock, darkwave.. And she said "One of my goth friends said that goth music is rock and trap". And I reply "Well then she's a poseur" and she says "No I know she dresses like that". My comment on that? Just a *bombastic side eye*
Hella bombastic side eye! The curse of the visually driven society!
@@angelabenedictAlso about what you said that people like the music but don't know it... I have a great example of that. My mom. I show her names of goth bands I like like sisters of mercy, siouxsie and the banshees, joy division, the cure...and she says that she likes their music too. And then she says she doesn't like the fact I'm goth. Another *bombastic side eye* for my mom
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@@Marly_111 Should tell her she shouldn't like herself if that's the case, but I'm not liable for any damages 🤣
If you don't listen to Goth/Darkwave/Industrial music🥀🍷🥀Your not a Goth👉🦇 sorry not sorry🦇🤖🦇
“Did you hear it or did you feel it?”
Wow. I think I just discovered myself.
Just stopped self-identifying. If anyone asks, it's "Halloweenist."
Fair!
It's definitely generational because us millennials and you Gen X Goths took the time to learn about the subculture. Whereas now you have social media channels that make it look like it's only visual. There's a lack of respect for the scene because people (usually outside of it) try to force it to fit when they hate the music and just like the fashion.
I always list recent Goth bands for those who are not in the scene or who may be new. It's a way to help bring them in. Lebanon Hanover, Selofan, Denuit, Secret Shame, Kaelan Mikla, Drab Majesty, Rose Garden Funeral Party, so many more!❤❤
Lol, I've listened to one! Lebanon Hanover. Though I tend to stick with the same 100 bands I'm familiar with...
I think being a Dave Matthew’s fan was more acceptable than being a Marilyn Manson fan. God forbid anyone find out!
No truer words have been said! Being outed as a Marilyn Manson fan was the kiss of death.
When I think of Manson, I think about how parents were terrified by Alice Cooper. Now he's a devout Christian and does PGA tours lol.
This makes me think of SLC Punk when Stevo talks about posers in the mall. It also reminds me of the character Mike who didn't "look punk" but he knew who he was, he went to the shows with them and enjoyed the music. Makes me smile.
I know i like goth music, i love the ethereal side of it and the synths but i always feel like i still have a lot to learn. I've heard this term before "tourist goth" which in some spaces of the subculture is used in a playful way to describe someone that knows the music but is not fully present in the subculture, like a visitor. I feel like it is my case haha
Thank you Angela, your playlists have help me find many artists love today ❤
I've been listening to She Past Away a lot lately. Highly recommended!
As a Christian and a 30 year old goth woman I listen to goth music, darkwave, metal , grunge, etc. But I also listen to country music and pop music too from the nineties and the eighties .
The way I see it is that you can listen to music and still be goth just ignore the haters and just be yourself 😊😊😊😊😊😊
Exactly. A lot of people outside the subculture think that it's associated with religion.
I consider myself a goth since middle school though I never listened to the music much, except for the Cure. I loved and love many gothesque things, like the literature (Shelley, Stoker). I was a huge Anne Rice growing up. I was obsessed with Phantom of the Opera and wrote dark poetry. I only wanted to watch horror or read horror novels. Today, all of these interests are still intact in addition to the love for gothic decor and fashion. I'm one of those who I believe would love goth music if only I could find my kind. I would love some recommendations please
Well, given what you've told me thus far about you shows me that you have a penchant for the more atmospheric and dramatic. So to that I would recommend The more melancholy and the ethereal. Sometimes rather than a band I like to start people off with specific songs to gauge where their head is at. Check out a song by Faith and the Muse called shattered In aspect. Then try, Drab Majesty - foyer, Frozen Autumn - Onyria, paralyzed age - blood sucker, the mission - pale empress, switchblade symphony - clown and Lycia - A Failure. These are all very commonly known songs within the golf community but they're these are all very commonly known songs within the subculture, but they're also very different from one another.
Thank you. I can't wait to check these out!
Sorry in advance, I wrote a lot. But listening to others journeys can help find music
I had a hard time finding goth music too, and my gateway (everyones gateway is different) Evanescence. NOT a goth band, but they had some gothy, goth adjacent songs that opened my mind: Haunted, Understanding (all versions) Even in death, Field of innocence, Bleed, Give unto me, Farther Away, and Lies, which got me hunting for darker and heavier music. Mostly dark and goth(ish) soundtracks: Queen of the damned, The crow (has a song from the cure in it) and La terza madre. Eventually finding single tracks by accident online, Milagro by Anabantha, Spellbound by Souxie and the banshees.
Christian death - The loving face
Switchblade symphony - Naked birthday
Paralyzed age - The grave shall be forever
Black tape for a blue girl - With my sorrows
The march violets - Snake dance
Psyche - Goodbye horses
Bauhaus - Bela Lugosi's dead
Looking up dark films, goth dance, dark choreography/ies helped, and eventually I found Faith and the muse. My favorite albums are Evidence of heaven and Ankoku butoh. With The sisters of mercy: Floodland and Reflect on this. And by Requiem in white: of the want infinite.
Currently I'm checking out Leva, Twin Tribes, Tsaffire, Actors, Plastique noir, Vesturon Vulture, Death loves Veronica, Vandal Moon, Mareux, She wants revenge, Auger, and The faces of Sarah.
edit: and Echoberyl (sorry, I forgot one and it's a good one)
@@angelabenedictI have listened to every sing you suggested and like every one but the Frozen Autumn song. I am particularly drawn to Switchblade Symphony!
And I loved Drab Majesty as well
I am in my 50's and was part of that original era. Yes, we would play to much Joy Division and Bauhaus but we mixed in many other kinds of tunes. Thrash Metal, Doom, Shoegaze , even surfer music helped us all find that sound path . Don't gatekeep yourself!
Even now I find new bands and styles that draw me in. As an older geeky emo type I enjoy blackgaze, newer post punk and even some freeform or acid jazz.
What's most important is flow. Let that creative current guide you. Dont play with it to much or ask to many questions, be primal. If a door opens, and you can perceived something transformative, step inside. Remember, under that porcelain skin is a skeleton 😊
Absolutely!!.. 50 as I type this,, Dec 22nd 2023,,
We got called DeathRocker by the older Punks,, Jack from TSOL and Exclusive Shop workers, Like Electric Chair, Goddess employees, Music Market More Goddess haha,, Bauhaus, Southern Death Cult, Sisters of Mercy, Joy Division, Depeche Mode etc,,
Finding that Tone or Spirit, as you said, is found many places,
The Song MY SHADOW, by Jay Retard,, to me has this,
Ever heard?...
Sieve Head, hope I spelled it right,,
Reverb, Post Punk, unique is a understatement,, found them a while back,, still is a game changer,, modern Post Punk, like Alter of Eden, or RANCOEUR, it's a Great time for Music..
Please send any suggestions,, cheers from Southern California
Agree... you know when you are a goth when you listen to the music.
When I grew up in the 80s I didn't fit in my friends boxes. I did love some of theirs, but always turned to something they didn't like. Some years after I read about it and discovered the word goth. They wrote about the bands and then I knew why I was different compared with my friends. That was before computer and all search possibilities.
Thanks Angela and have a great Gothmas 🦇🖤🖤🖤🖤🦇
Killstar calls this time of year Hexmass and Vampire Freaks call it Creepmass :)
@@starscreamthecruel8026 just ashame Vampirefreaks stopped be a community. Could find lots of bands there when I was younger.
Growing up in the '80s (as in pre-internet Sub Culture days with only occasional videos on rotation on MTV, certain bands touring and only "fanzine style fan magazines"), it must've been unique to be an Early Goth. Interesting. Also over the last two years, as I've watched more & more Goth sub culture documentaries here on RUclips, I find the more "personal stories" fascinating. Yes the music & the fashion, but I just enjoyed seeing people, rather mainland European or my fellow North Americans, find others around them finding them fascinating or odd or cool in their own way. Or just unique.
I must say in the pre-internet generations, things certainly must've been harder though also fascinating from a different angle. Though alas I am glad that the late '90s "internet boom" happened though, as it ultimately brought many more people together & connected
@@He_Loves_Horror it was so much harder. Specially if you wanted that special album. That took weeks to get, if you found a record shop that could import it to you.
Earlier years might be harder cause the lack of access. But also felt more open without people decide over others what’s ok or not. You could have your taste and way to express yourself.
And the most important thing when you discovered friends with similar intrest.. we actually hanged together, had fun and talked. No phones in the hands when we enjoyed each others companies.
Oh yes I remember the early CD (compact disc) days of started in collecting them more around 1997 when I was in Middle School. You also had to REALLY be into that band or that soundtrack because it always costs around $18 bucks or over. So not a lot but even still buying two albums in a row added up (plus I'm an American and we have our infamous sales tax that Australia & I believe European nations don't have to worry about). I'm also glad online shopping came into the fold as alas I was never too into goin' into shopping centers (malls). I also don't have the strange prejudice that some have for them but I'm honestly just not a sociable person.
And yes my main complaint about Western nations are among that: People constantly looking at their Smart Phones and also complaining that "no one is really socializing" when they, themselves, are not trying to start conversations. So yeah, like many elements of the so-called western world, I sometimes just plain scratch my head at it all.🤔
I think Kai Decadence explains the technical aspect of Goth music well in his video called How to Get Into Goth Music. I find I generally like the sub genre Darkwave but I am starting to find Ethereal and Coldwave interesting after 10 months of putting in effort lol Plus, I got to go to my first Goth Night in my city! Im happy we have a scene and I have to say... there is nothing like hearing the music in person with others!
You are literally the momma bat on RUclips. I’d watch your videos when I was going through the people trying to normify me phase over past 5 years. Your story times always brightened my days and your extremely nurturing soul inspired me to let out my extreme momma bear. Which I’m always learning how to balance 🤣. I’ve had a few come up to me in past year thanking me for me always being me as best I could as I inspired them into the seen. Small town in countryside kind a boring community same aul same aul. It made me so happy and one of the many reasons I keep aspiring to inspire myself so that one person that might need to see a wordering weird one out in wilderness of Ireland might realise something and begin the unlocking of der soul 🖤🦇.
Thank you so much! I'm sorry you had people on your butt trying to change you -- good on you for digging your heels in and staying true to yourself. Don't be too hard on yourself, balance is a constant learning experience. No one has it down to a science.
@@angelabenedictI know that now or should I say I always knew balancing is constant learning ting. Unfortunately my scared empathic heart was not ready to fully let out the momma bear till a healer I went to told me “dark and light is not good and bad and keep that dark part of you” and also “why would you want to tame momma bear the world needs someone to RAAAHHHHH”… an that’s when the penny dropped to say F this if it makes people uncomfortable that someone ticks all boxes of beautiful highly intelligent extremely nurturing no problem telling people no and or defending myself and my pack (chosen families)… they can all sit in der rusty dusty musty nests they tried force onto others!!! RAWHHHH MEANS I WOV YOU BUT DONT PSHHH ME OFF IN berserker 🖤🐻🤣🤘☘️🦇🌊🔥☀️❄️🌱.
@@AurianLunaLou I love it! It's so true, dark and light is never about good and bad - It's all about that balance. My zodiac is literally represented by the scales and I still struggle 😂
The weird gatekeeping is why most subcultures are fading out. One thing I love is when you said goth is goth, why sub category everything? I felt that to my bones. I got called goth by others but the actual goth didnt like me because I didnt wear typical looks they deemed good enough. I was obviously a minor and my mom didnt allow me to wear these things. Then the idea a christian is goth is controversal for some reason. Then I just set to fit wherever I can. Im more into literature, music, gaming, and decor than clothes but it is coming together. 😅
Lol, subcultures are not fading out. Keep dreaming.
Someone finally understood the goth community. I feel blessed to be part of the alternative community. Though close can be hard to find due to wieght and store avalibility. The culture is about music. I love music. Its beautiful. I understand its difficult to define goth. I love being goth. Its a music culture right. Theres so much music.
Watching your videos makes me feel so much better about not allowing my children to be on social media and not having devices.
I don't think that's a bad idea. A lot of parents have a min age limit for when their child is able to use social media. I often wonder tho if I was just lucky that my self discovery in in person spaces didn't lead me into danger or if that method was better because you were more cautious by default.
Love cat analogies. Always the best way to explain things ♡
Thank you for the explanations. Saving this to share with other peeps who are confused. Hope you take care. 🌹🌹🌹
I think this video helped me a lot. I usually try to ignore labels since I am an enjoyer of EVERYTHING. While I love goth music, it’s only a percentage of what I listen to. But “feel it in your soul” is something I resonate with.
When I was 12 I remember writing in my diary ranting about how Frankenstein was gothic literature (not sci-fi 🙄) and watching Munster marathons and having the Cure lyrics imprinted on my brain. I feel like that is my soul, my true self before I was distorted by the internet and FOMO. I miss when it was that simple for me haha
Relatable
As one of my Favorite Musicians said…”Music is a world within itself…With a language we all understand.” Thank you Mr. Stevie Wonder…
This hit home with me. As a minority it was incredibly difficult to fit in to the aesthetic of being Goth….I am old school school ‘80’s so you know no I didn’t quite fit in. But there I was listen to the Cure, Bauhaus, Joy Division , Siouxsie and the Banshees, AND…singing Classical Sacred Music, Gospel, and Pop with my school choir. My mom was pretty liberal about my wardrobe. However, most of my clothes were in bright neon colors. My Happiest moment was getting a pair of black pants. As I became more reliant on myself from my own income, my wardrobe slowly changed over the years. However, when I became a mom, my wardrobe reverted to brighter colors and easy to wear fabrics. In 2001 I went on my first ever official Goth wardrobe, shopping spree. I guess you could say my born date was in the 80s but I didn’t step out until the 2000s.
That’s what happened when I watched your first Poney Falls video. The song playing was Sleep by Requiem in White. Now, I didn’t know that song was Goth. All I knew was there was something about that song that I liked. Requiem was technically the first Goth band I’ve ever heard.
Being Honest, with yourself and what feels, is more important than anything else,,
" Goth" as many other subculture,, look and what's been inspired by, the Labels get, throw around, almost without investigation or study,
Example; Punk, Now bands get tagged Hardcore, which is wrong, Emo, was Emo, not bands tagged Emo, by misinformed hater's, Posers bands trying for the Taking Back "Thursday" sound, Actually Post Hardcore, getting called ... Of all things,, ScreamO,,
Which was we called Poser Scene kids who never went to shows, also driven by Hookup culture,, never a part of the Modern Hardcore ideal, Now bands like BOTCH, ORCHID, get this mislabeled term,
As Goth is.. somehow everything now, The Cure!?,, Yikes,, never goth,, Etc..
I find new music all the time,, Darkwave etc,,
Jay Retard, My Shadow,, on its own ,, has this Dark vibe and driven.. you could dance to it,, it can't be Goth or Dark whatever causes it's.. Hipster,, that's laughable..
Send me any band to check out.. I welcome it.. cheers from Orange County California..
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Thank you for your videos Angela . They truly mean a lot . Love the fact that you mentioned that you don’t have to be all teased up and suxsie makeup to be goth. Sometimes social media eats my head saying “ you have to look like that “ and I feel I’m not enough for this subculture. It’s crazy !!! Please make a video suggesting new bands I need to dive in into new goth bands ❤ tysm
You are what you are...the status quo always likes to pigeon hole everything...sense of safety🖤🦇🖤
I feel like if you want to categorize yourself as anything, just leave it at goth. When you add more to it, you're not simplifying anything, you're limiting yourself.
This is how I know I’m goth: I love old school industrial too, I love nü metal, I love a lot of things. HOWEVER, goth is where I feel most at home. It’s the thing that resonates the most with me, listening to goth music makes me feel more like me, if that makes sense. The label “goth” exists in service to us, to help us better express what we mean; we do not exist to fit under a label.
Whoo, I'm glad I caught ya right before I was about to go to bed lol. Anyways I appreciate you and your channel. The way you sit down and talk to us about the goth scene and your experience is like talking to a friend or older sister, but I'm learning a lot so you're like the best kind of teacher as well. Overall, you make navigating as a babybat a less daunting experience for me because of how warm, kind and patient you are🖤🦇
I remember not being fond of Bela Lugosi's Dead the first time I listened to it but Rosetta Stone's "The Witch" was the song that reaaaally did it for me and pulled me in it's grasp and never let me go.😁 (I do have appreciation for BLD now but at the time it wasn't the best song to introduce me into the scene)
Hey! I'm glad you caught me too! Thank you so much for the kind words, I'm glad that you appreciate what I do here. It's nice to just sit down and have a chat sometimes.
I think we never stop learning and we all have something that we can learn from each other. I'm with you, I didn't like the song Bela lugosi's did when I first heard it either. I felt that intro could have been cut down by like 75%.
My goth identity is still focused mostly on music, and dance. I would never dream of wearing any shoes, makeup, or clothes that made it difficult to dance to my favorite songs. Also, I tend to be very biased towards 80's, 90's, and post punk for the same reason. Not impressed with the new school. If the wrong DJs are spinning on an particular night, or the venue's dance floor is crap (or nonexistent), it's a no go. Also, bring a pair of sunglasses to events, and if the lighting is too bright or annoying, throw them on. If enough goths do this enough times, management eventually gets the hint.
My opinion, Labels suck in general, I refused to be shoved in a box and to be bound by the confines of someone elses definition, i refuse to be confined to the size of that box. Everyone should be free to grow and be what they want. I'm an Aaron , you be a you, and If people don't accept you because you are who you are and not what they expect you to be, well that's probably not someone who would be a good friend anyway.
For me, it was a combination of the literature and the music and the fashion and basically trying to combine all of those things together. I have some very embarrassing stories about being a teenager and actually thinking that I was a vampire which now I think it’s kind of stupid but it was fun when it lasted. It’s unfortunate that when I was getting into subculture and trying to do some research online, the first thing which came up was unfortunately the Sophie Lancaster murder, so I kind of got exposed to the hate that we get pretty early on. when I was 16, I was lucky enough, however to get a compilation CD which had come out in 2006 called The Goth anthology which some of it was a bit hit and miss, but a lot of the songs were Staples within the Goth club playlist.
I have that CD, and I love it!
@@Anonymous-wb3nz yeah it’s good isn’t it I would recommend Gothic rock by Mick Mercer
6:15 New Wave plus Industrial so...New Order? Listening to 80s New Order in reverse chronological order really gets you ready for Joy Division.
The goth music thermostat. Set to New Order to prepare for Joy Division.
I honestly feel that we as a subculture should revert back to some of the 90's mindset of priding ourselves on being intelligent and well spoken. With the vast amounts of ignorance abounding, let's rebel against that. Ignorance and laziness are for Normies.
the sophisticated goth starter pack reminds me of the picture of Rozz Williams in drag with an old style veil sitting on a gravestone where Rozz's legs are obscuring certain letters on the gravestone so it says "fucker"
You define yourself, you wear what you like, I know it sounds corny but be you, as for the music if what your listening to doesn’t resonate with a part of you then find something else that does, I listen to new wave ,retro, dark synthwave, most all of the genres of music and eras. It can be said “goth” comes in many forms and styles there all different what form you gravitate towards that is you. also hope that you feel better too.
I laughed so hard at the “horrible secret” hahah
The gatekeeping must stop. I was called a poser in the 90's because I listen to all kind of music but absolutely love dressing goth. I knit and crochet too and have been called old lady and not a true goth for doing this hobby. It is way too easy to get stuck in gatekeeping in fear of being the outcast of the community. I have always been very welcoming to new people no matter what genre I have ever been in. Thank you for this video
Thank you! Honestly, when it comes to the whole gatekeeping thing, I feel comfortable saying that it very, VERY rarely comes from true goths. It comes from people who aren't actually involved. Literally every single person who called me a 'fake goth' weren't goth. Some were straight up normies who saw that I wasn't hypersexual with a choke based OF and didn't listen to Lil peep and others were the 'I'm a goth because goth is whatever you make it' people who wouldn't know a goth band if one came up and farted in their face. When it comes to people in the subculture, they're here because they love it and without people, it dies. Gatekeeping benefits no one.
Isn't back in the 80s and 90s thifting and making your own outfits common in the goth community? You have a skill mang wish they could, like myself. I can relate to you. ❤
I was goth before I even understood what goth was! I am now over 20 years plus in goth subculture and reality has set in that I will be goth forever! I am proud to be the goth mom scaring every one at the PTA meeting. It’s always about the MUSIC
Haha, I mean the fact that you're showing up to the meetings and being a supportive mom says, despite you being a goth - you're still a fierce mama bear!
I'd say that if you like genres like goth rock, post punk, or dark wave, and listen to them often, you're goth. Congrats! 🥳🎉
The starter pack made me laugh out loud. Very funny and very true.
I definitely agree that music make sure who you are and it's always there and it finds you you don't find it
I see no problem with non goths dressing like us, it's more money into the goth economy that will end up creating more stuff for us.
Exactly. When it comes to things like fashion there are so many people who dress in ways that are not in any way associated with say their style of music that they might enjoy or even subculture if they're part of any. It's like the people we know who listen to Goth but they dress very normal, no hint of goth in their attire. Some people are just drawn to the aesthetic and will openly admit that they don't like the music and that they're not a goth but the look feels part of their personality. Like you said, more for us!
It showed up a little late (when I was 27ish haha) but I'm so glad darkwave and coldwave found me because there's really nothing like it
This is my favorite video on the Internet (mostly because of the Dave Matthews story). 🖤
Angela I totally understand what you went through I had a bad childhood as well so music was my escape along with movies
Listen to some cold cave, twin tribes, ultra sunn or even some boy harsher if you want.
I remember back in the 90s at the Mission goth club in Edinburgh, the dancefloor would come alive when the DJ put on the spice girls. Only the baby goths were in shock :)
I love when that happens. Shock the new people by showing the OG goths getting down to something silly.
Idk if this is just me, but for the longest time I had this problem, but I took time understanding who I am and what I know I like, and I dissected it to its core components. I knew what I liked just never knew that there was a subculture that captured it pretty much perfectly.
Hit me out of nowhere, got mad curious, got mad satisfaction.
That's the beauty of curiosity, it leads you down the path of interesting discoveries. It's all about the journey. The journey is what we remember the most and that's all the experiences that we've had along the way.
Oh my gosh! Some of your videos about being a goth in the 90s make me wish I was there. But this one makes me really glad that I listen to a lot of goth but also hyper pop and wear a lot of hot pink and have a Taylor Swift poster on my wall, and just don't worry about it!
Once again, your experience you shared feels relatable to me, on old baby bat, as I consider myself. There are many who get into Goth on the gate of the esthetics, of fashion. I did and I tried on the music without liking almost anything from it, at first. But heck, I decided to listen to it, not the things I remotely liked, but also some of the things I did not. I let them flow and get to me. And some did. So, getting into Goth changed my relationship to music in general, in a way. So, for some, making yourself enjoy Goth music, if you want, is possible, if you are motivated enough, if you are open-minded enough and if you are relaxed enough doing it. This may sound weird, but it is my real life experience. It sounds like forcing yourself in a relaxed way, paradoxically. I do still listen to other genre, I realized that, if I stick too much into Goth music, or a certain section of Goth music, I kind of ”loose the vibe” but, if I listened to various genre, I can return to Goth more easily. And, in a way, this is true regarding the rest of the music I enjoy. By the way, the music you use in the background of your videos made me discover some artists I really enjoyed. In the first months of Goth music, I was pretty greedy, trying out different artists, lots of them, like a hungry stray dog who has not tasted a decent piece of meat in a week. Now, I tend to be a lot chill about it, as I can not try on every Goth artist I find out about online, and stick to certain artists and albums for a longer time. And indeed, guitar heavy Gothic rock can be a good background for writing horror.
Very nice video & I hope you, your family & friends all have a good holiday 👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻 I've always said as long as you truly like one genuine goth song from any sub genre you can consider yourself a goth & apart of the subculture. It doesn't matter what you wear, the makeup, tattoos, piercings, literature, artwork, movies, or the macabre... I mean that's a bonus 💀 if you do like them things but you don't need to. Once your really apart of the subculture it is a great thing more or less also help people that are just coming into the scene as well because we want to keep this going forever 🖤
Your audio and visual is on point , have you ever done a video on the equipment your using , I vlog or make music and wow your quality is frigging amazing , always love your lighting as well !
I do like a few 80s bands, like bauhaus and the cure. But i listen more to modern goth bands like drab majesty, twin tribs, she past away, vision video. Est.
It's great to have a nice balance.
@@angelabenedict true 👍
You deserve 10,000 worlds laid at your feet Mistress,if my words can alieviate a grain of your discomfort than I have served a noble purpose.You Darling of the space beyond Dusk have no idea how many of us live vicariously through you,so you get better and spoil yourself however you have to in order to self rectify.We need you & your stories to keep us going Goddess.Corvine Crusader
What is your background music? It’s always so good!
I’m so glad I figured out my gender and socially transitioned… I want to say before all this, but really it’s during all this, because it taught me a lot. It taught me to ignore other people’s opinions and listen to my intuition, what felt right. It taught me that boxing yourself in with labels is not always helpful. It’s better to forget about labels and figure out who you are, what you feel, what makes you happy, what do you want your life to be like, stuff like that, and then after you feel like you’ve figured that out is when you could think about labels (or not). Never let a label limit who you are, never try to mold yourself to fit your labels, never feel like you can’t do something because you have to apply a certain label to yourself/fit a certain label first. Like who cares if you are goth or not, that’s not what’s important. The question is what music do you like, what fashion and aesthetics do you like, what kind of people do you vibe with, what kind of activities do you like? Just do whatever you want, and ignore the labels. At some point you might or might not realize “oh shit I’m goth”, after having been into goth music / goth stuff in general for a while already. But don’t put the label first. The label is unimportant.
I feel like with the internet we think we should neatly categorize ourselves, we need to put a hashtag to ourselves, need to categorize ourselves into an existing “type” of person or rather consumer. And that’s bullshit. Be unlableable, be a person not a brand. You don’t have to fit a mold, you can be many things at the same time, you don’t have to fit your entire life and being into an aesthetic, that’s impossible and you’ll only hurt yourself in the process if you try to make yourself fit. No one is doing gothy stuff 24/7. In fact trying to limit yourself like that kills creativity and joy.
In conclusion, acab includes the genre police.
You are far to beautiful for your own good,I find myself having to watch your videos twice to hear your entertaining stories my dear because I spend the first go round marveling at your lovelyness.Corvine Crusader
That is very kind of you to say. Especially since I posted this video incredibly sleep deprived And under the weather. I was feeling quite self-conscious🖤
Seasons Greeting's Angela! , Wishing you the best 🙂
goth scene was the reason I was reading Rimbaud at 15 X) , I think this is one of the things the subculture was a good influence on me I read a lot of good stuff very early on, and many still hold up as references for me today. We are of similar age and is funny for me to see how some things were universal. Except the identity stuff, it was super uncool in Portugual as a ''goth'' to label your self as such, like labeling yourself was poser and ''real goths'' were above labels when it comes to people and use labels just for music or art.
Here in the '80s and early '90s, labeling yourself as a goth was much the same as your experience in Portugal. I think as time went on, with younger kids in their very early teens getting involved, We were so enthusiastic to find something so vast beyond the ubiquitous societal norm constantly being shoved in her face. It was like discovering this new amazing thing that was as you said, so influential. We got a bit hyperactive about it and definitely through that word goth around whenever we could because we felt so proud and privileged to a found such a thing. Again, like you said it exposes you to so much more. Normal 15-year-olds aren't reading the literature that you were but the subculture and the music kind of - not quite enforces but inspires more creative thinking. Poetry, literature, culture that you didn't really see among freshmans in high school.
@@angelabenedict ah I understand better now what you mean, taking in consideration a more concrete scenario of teenagers fresh into the scene, it was like that aswell. And btw I was also in a couple fetish parties while underage unfortunetly, lol, and I knew the organizers and they knew I was underage, when I think about it from this perspective I'm like 'wtf'' and also shows how times have changed and things that were considered ''normal'' are now more reflected upon.
Anyway that inspiration you refer is what made it a great home / escape, and the influence it brought and still brings it's very present in my life. I remember also the fact that queerness was not only accepted it was very open in the scene, in a time when a gay couple / lesbian couple simply holding hands on the street was a big nono and could put you in serious danger (it still can happen today, but far less than 23 years ago), people were kissing and making out freely at the goth club. A group of us used to go to the local gay club after the goth club, just because it was open a couple of hours longer than the goth. Anyway even if we wanted to go anywhere else we would not be allowed in because of how we looked, gay clubs were liberal about dress codes. There was some kind of mutual understanding.
The Cure is the Love Cat who chose me. 🐈⬛ 🖤
Love Cats!
Hope you have a merry Christmas Angela.
This was very fascinating! I’m not a goth, just a Nerd 🤓 but I am fascinated by other cultures and it was nice to hear about yours from your prospective. Thank you for opening up. 😀
I know I'm a rivethead and a goth, because I like industrial and goth music. My favorite goth genre is gothrock. I like post punk, deathrock and darkwave, but I don't like ethereal at all. Coldwave is a miss or hit.
I feel like more people than not straddle both subcultures It's just one foot is set more firmly in place of one or the other. That has a lot to do with the cohesiveness of earlier industrial and goth along with power subcultures overlapped by way of sharing both venues and dance floors. It's helped us kind of grow together but be our own separate thing but still have a fondness.
@@angelabenedictI think there is still a little overlapping today, since I see it during festivals in Germany. I feel lucky due to that, because I can experience it to a degree. As for me personally, the overlapping began when I was a teen and early adulthood. Both popped into my life close to each other, which is most likely why I consider myself rivethead and goth. One of the most important thing to me is to try keeping them equal, to balance. They are both equally important. My friend calls me a cyborg bat. 🤭
@@christie_exist That's so cute! A cyborg bat. The two can definitely coexist inside one human very harmoniously. 1 minute a dark melancholy ballad hits you hard in the feels and then all of a sudden, incomes something aggro and stompy to balance it out.
@@angelabenedictIndeed! That's just how it is. 😎👍
We call them gatekeepers. Subcultures are here for everyone to explore and it is only you who can define and pick the label for yourself. There are so much more to being a goth than just the music and the aesthetic and you are not under any law forced to embrace all of it. Someone who is into all the literature and movies but do not feel like they have to spend 2 hours in front of the mirror every morning for makeup and/or hair is just as much a goth as I am! I welcome every brother & sister who want into this family of bats 🦇🖤🦇
Gatekeeping is necessary in any subculture in order to keep out the false information. Goth is a MUSIC, based subculture, period. The literal definition of a Goth is "fan of Goth music". Books, movies, etc are Gothic, not Goth. Just don't be a poser.
@@Anonymous-wb3nz To a certain degree I can agree that gatekeeping is there for a reason, and that the modern age goth is originated from a music scene. What saddens me is that we seem to have this issue with people who are not even allowing the *free trial-period for individuals who are just starting their own exploration to their identity by acting all high and mighty instead of taking them under our wings and guide them.
Gatekeeping is in the eyes of the poser.
@@thiscorrosion3843 LOL I have been in this scene for 20+ years 🤣 give me a break
@@_MaryRose_ actual Goths don't use the word "gatekeeper".
Get well my dear,nothing more important than keeping ypu around.Corvine Crusader
You are very kind, thank you so much for the well wishes 🖤🖤🖤
You deserve 10,000 worlds laid at your feet Mistress,if my words can alieviate a grain of your discomfort than I have served a noble purpose.You Darling of the space beyond Dusk have no idea how many of us live vicariously through you,so you get better and spoil yourself however you have to in order to self rectify.We need you & your stories to keep us going Goddess.Corvine Crusader
I wanted to express myself in an alternative style myself at a young age. Mom being a devout Christian wouldn't have any of it and it didn't help that she saw anything different like that being of the devil. What kind of life is it to grow up being told being yourself or trying something different is evil?
Edit: plus there was some twit hanging out at our house that took it too far and that didn't help at all.
It comes from fear. Anything that they don't understand is evil. It's like that primal childhood fear of being afraid of the dark. It's fear of the unknown.
@@angelabenedict it seems to be a recurring theme with humanity. Even though mastery of this fear can have the potential to save someone as an individual. That's just my opinion on the unknown.
TDLR: Labels work best for products and aesthetics, not people. People will always be more than labels.
The identity question is always an interesting one to me. I was just thinking about it the other day, and considered posting some thoughts on r/goth. Lately I've been taking the view that goth works well as an interest, but can be limiting if one makes it their whole personality. I'm now considering that Goth is better as a label for products like the music, fashion, and decor we like, rather than people.
Today we have so much selection to choose from, there can then be a question about "How much do I have to like a thing?" or "What amount of time must be invested for me to be 'worthy' of the title?" Those can be valid questions, though they have the power to shoehorn and direct us into a narrow way of thinking. Thinking that we have to be something, rather than simply allowed to enjoy something.
I am a metalhead who likes many styles of music including goth. My favorite goth band is Fields of the Nephilim. But as far dressing goth never really appealed to me. I am to lazy to put that kind of effort into looking good.
So many people these days are trying to rip the music away from the subculture.
I had an argument with a guy who trued to argue that there is a fashion goth subculture, to which I responded is, fashion has no values, and is just a trend, thus you can't build a culture around it
More disturbingly recently I had to deal with an actual fucking nazi who hates trans people who argue that goth music is classical, and that goth started in the victoriam era, and that *snort* gothic architecture started in victorian england..... He also claimed to know history.
Hell I even had a guy who admitted he isn't a goth talk like he knows more about it than me because he has "goth friends".
when I was in high school I listened to a lot of new wave, electro/electroclash, industrial, techno, post punk, alternative rock, indie, classic and psychedelic rock from the 60s-70s, Celtic music, 90s dance/rave, disco, folk, just a lot, and I did dress kind of goth, as a teen / young adult I started going out to events/clubs and I definitely felt like I had a place there but I wasn’t truly a goth, I liked goth music and dressed eccentric but I just wasn’t a full on goth, i feel like my style has really gone down hill but I’ll always be listening to music ya know, i feel like i could still show up at a goth night and feel like i belong there
As always..watching and absorbing, Cheekbone Angela. Christmas weekend or not...lol
I think the media played a big role in all this, all us younger people were fed movies and shows that had everyone grouped in neat little bocces “goths” were different from “nerds” were different from “punks” were different from “artsy kids”
But in reality, I’m ALL of those things, because I’m a person and not a caricature.
But we do feel that pressure, to find Our thing and stick with it forever. That one day you’re going to find one style, one music genre, one hobby, and it will just click and you’ll be happy with that one thing forever.
But that’s not how it works, especially not for me, I got adhd, I go wherever the dopamine takes me. Today I’m listening to goth albums on repeat, tomorrow who knows.
But divorcing yourself from the expectation to flatten yourself into one dimension, it’s hard!
I'm definitely in love ❤️
Most interesting of timing with this video and recently I have strayed away from metal and been feeling very lost with music. its too easy to go back to my collection of classic death metal, but it's as if metal doesn't do it for me much anymore 😿. I have peeked my head around the corner at goth music on the odd occasion, but I can never get into it even though I admire it and the subculture. being musically homeless is something very new to me.
I felt exactly like this when I was in college. Apart from listening the music, I felt like I needed to prove myself by reading every gothic/dark novel possible (i.e. Bram Stoker, Mary Shelley, Anne Rice, etc) and write poems or otherwise I would feel like a fake goth. Now that I am 33, I think how silly I was and laugh about it.
I'm so happy that you made this video It completely answered the questions that I've been pondering over for years since I was a kid . About saying if I wasn't Goth enough because i didn't fit the complete Aesthetic from head to toe . I'm Goth and I listen to a lot of Flamingo video game and Fantasy music especially from creative artists like Aron Von Ziggaler
If you don't listen to Goth music, you are not a Goth.
This is slightly connected but mostly unrelated, but have you heard of the band "The Dark Theatre"? because I found an old talk show clip which had the leading member of the band on - sadly only 3 of their songs are available on youtube, but hard to find.
I ended up ordering a CD of theirs because there's just no other way to access their songs - Do you know if they were popular or have any information about them?
Me and my friends were able to make digital copies of the album's songs and are looking into wats of sharing it with others, since its a shame that there's just no way to listen to them otherwise
I would love to hear them!!!
I have their CD and remember them. The dude pretended he was a vampire to make a buck. There were a whole bunch of wannabe vampires roaming about in the 90's.
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My friend is uploading them to RUclips now!
ruclips.net/p/PLFDVi3IQKK8y_XZnC9paR4KolX4A5OyyF&feature=shared
@@megmcguigan3857 yeah, i saw him talk a bit about drinking blood on the TV show 😅 but the music is really good, glad i took a chance on the CD
My friend has uploaded our recording of the album to RUclips to try and bring some new life to it and spread the music to those who haven't heard it
ruclips.net/p/PLFDVi3IQKK8y_XZnC9paR4KolX4A5OyyF&feature=shared
my journey started with Industrial & punk before i liked a lot of metal & alternative. I was also into a lot of Philosophy & some literature still am. i really like the ethereal side the most but i also dig the post punk goth rock & Death rock side to it as well. thanks for sharing your thoughts as always Angela your outfits are always cool to see 😎 take care.
For me goth was more literary (books, comics and poetry). I had some goth music but a lot of it was mixed in with grunge. I remember this girl telling me I wasn't gothic enough because I didn't look like an extra from the Crow. My makeup was softer, and she was judging primarily on fashion. Books and music really kept me alive back then, when I could either not afford the fashion or got a lot of clap back from family that were hysterical during the satanic panic.
🤣lol🤣🥀Stay Dark🦇My Friend🥀
@@bryanscarboddi1210 Always! Back to my decrepit book pile! 🐦⬛
Goth is a MUSIC based subculture, and a literal music genre. Books, etc are Gothic, not Goth.
@Anonymous-wb3nz That's true, but think of the literature and poetry that inspired those bands. Robert Smith was very taken with Kafka, Siouxie and Smith were both fans of Poe and Baudelaire. Music encompasses Goth, but Goth has inspiration in Gothic literature.
Merry Christmas, Angela
Thank you! Merry Christmas to you too!
It depends how deep into a culture you are...sometimes I may not like an artists music but I may love their aesthetic like slipknot for example
I listen to a lot of different genres. BSB forever lol. I do mainly listen to “metal goth” music, so I consider myself a goth. I don’t typically dress like one, I usually wear band t-shirts and shorts, and that’s okay. I’m comfortable with myself (to an extent) I do have some “goth” outfits, but like a meme said: only goth 10% of the time, the other 90% we’re in our NMBC pjs rummaging through our fridge looking for snacks at 3 am lol
I was probably a bit of a late-bloomer goth. I grew up on 80's Metal and 90's Alternative while being in an isolated country town with only a few goths around. I liked some songs from Marilyn Manson but he just didn't resonate with me because he came off as too angsty, and slow tempo melodic goth music was nice as background music but was too calm for my liking. However, I was unique, had my hair in huge spikes over my eyes, and was always standing out and trying to find my own style. My look was kind of a mix of skater, punk and goth, so I was generally told that I did not fit as a goth even though I loved dark themes and the macabre. It wasn't until after highschool that I finally discovered underground industrial music and I finally understood that I just had different tastes than other goths, but was still very much gothic. And I think because it's so rooted in my expression of individuality that it has literally always stuck with me even into adulthood. With or without the goth movement, I feel I'd still be expressing myself in similar ways with fashion aswell as being dark and weird, and I think that most of us that are truly attached to dark music and dark themes are the same way.
Marilyn Manson isn't Goth.....
@@Anonymous-wb3nz At the very least, just listening to Marilyn Manson wasn't goth nor did I feel his image of being goth that was worth adopting. But it did resonate with some of the kids that claimed to be goth. Who are probably adults now and grew out of it. Lol
I'm goth, and I have a deep, dark secret...
My favorite color is pink.
I really love the Backstreet Boys.
My favorite movie is Robin Hood: Men in Tights.
I collect sparkly tiaras.
One of my ultimate best friends is a "basic girl". When I hang out with this friend, I dress like her and we both think it's funny.
One of my friends who is certified Goth Queen ™️ really LOVES BTS.
One of the ideas of goth is not to fit the mold, not to conform. So why not be goth and like other things too? It would make for an epically boring world if we were all the same.❤
I love the Spice Girls, and I have all of their albums tucked in beside Switchblade Symphony.
@Anonymous-wb3nz Yes!! I love the Spice Girls too! I loved watching Spice World when I was a kid ❤️
@@heianvampire I love that movie!!
Yes , At The End Its All About The Music 🎶 🖤 And Angela Is Right Always Always Be Yourself. Life Is About Being Happy 🖤💜🖤
There are quite a few legendary bands from the 80s that I'm not a fan of. Including The Cure, Joy Division, Alien Sex Fiend, Christian Death, Depeche Mode (not strictly goth but lots of goths love them). But I like many others. And I'm way more into 90s and 00s goth music than 80s goth, and I always joke about goth inquisition coming for me for that 😁 But goth music is so diverse, and there is so much more beyond the "staple bands" - if you don't like those, look for others, maybe those you heard just didn't have the "right" vibe for you.
I guess the reason people can struggle with all this is precisely this diversity of goth music. Metal is metal, even with all the incredibly different genres and styles it's still metal, easily recognizable. The borders of goth can be more confusing for people because there are guitar based genres, synth based genres, some things are closer to punk, some to synthpop or neoclassical even, that can be very confusing for the newcomers. And add to that all the different ways one can express themself in terms of goth fashion... gets even more confusing I guess. But there's no need to overcomplicate it all. Love what you love, and if it's goth music - congrats, you're goth, whether or not you look the part. Most of the people I know in real life who love goth music and can engage in interesting conversations about it don't look like goths at all - I'm pretty much the only one "visibly goth" among them, so what? Take it easier. We're all here for the music, first and foremost.
When I was teen in early 2000-2010s goth was smth like weird to me, guys who hang out on cemetery and listen to Lacrimosa. Yes, I was interested in all those darkly inclined literature and macabre, made makeup and wear dark clothing, all was goth, but I've never thought that I'm goth, alternative kid - yep. Poor kid I was. Because when I grew up and had more information and found your channel I found out that actually I listened and listen to goth bands, that I am already into goth subculture and that isn't smth new. Kinda wow feeling)))
I agree with all those "box" thing. Why you have to put a label on yourself and have those strict measurements? I don't feel it right, you just love the music and everything comes naturally with it. I'm knitting carrot-orange scarf while listening to that video and I don't feel less goth while not wearing only black and without makeup. Because that doesn't define who I feel myself.
Firstttt it feels illegal to be this early
It is! Show me your ID and explain yourself, madam!
I like a lot of goth music, especially the older stuff, but I like a lot of other music as well, but often along a similar vein: The Doors, Tom Waits, Velvet Underground, etc. Dave Matthews is fun too.
Music is Everything!
My wife and I always dress dark, but not Edwardian or Victorian. Patchouli I've always associated with Hippies.
You can have your calligraphy. I just bought a couple of antique typewriters from back when they were all black.
Pagans don't proselytize. As my wife said, "I celebrate anyone's religion."
You be you. Don't be/do anything not you.
I've never considered myself to be goth, but I never considered it something to strive for either.
Gee, your description of the '90s sounds a lot like how I remember the '60s.
Beyond enjoying the music or otherwise participating in the music base of the subculture, I would go a step further and say one would also need to/want to accept the goth label for themselves. By not accepting that label, you are saying you like those gothy things, but it is not really how you want to define yourself.
Like one other comment had said below, you truly are a momma Bat Goth of RUclips, along with It's Black Friday of course.
The Era long passed, good or absolute Bad, made those of us, who lived though it, survived it,,, a unique soul, Some of us actually forced into defending your appearance,, trivial as it sounds, it was actually, Only, Completely Everything!!, my Area of the world was very violent, dangerous, we had to stand up for what we ,, just looked like,
I respect the modern struggle to find your individual Self..
To me, always Anchored in Music.. what drives you..
Be Music, feel it, ..
Cheers from Orange County California, from a 150 year old DeathRocker kid...
You sre s genuine person person angela love your chsnnel you sre s very real person love you're channel
Thank you so much!
I felt dejected a lot because goths have (for lack of a better word) bullied me cause they didn't like my eye make up. Mostly guys telling me I looked like i got punched in the face and it was only cause it wasn't stereotypical goth make up. My first goth friend was very emotionally abusive...as in he was an asshole to me. He agreed with them and for some dumb reason I didn't stop being friends with him until after he (knowing I had a boyfriend) kept flirting with me and eventually sent me an inappropriate picture. I just dealt with it I guess cause I live in a small town and wanted to be a part of the scene in some way even if it was online. I don't have to prove anything to anyone anyways cause though i started looking different on the outside I was into the music and subculture for years before that. I dabbled in the fashion, but yeah I wasn't sure until about a year ago that this was me. And yeah it was cause of all this overcomplication and trying to live to some rigid expectation.
I have been interested in the goth scene since either the late 80's or early 90's or both. I liked goths cool looking I guess is the word. I guess I thought then being a guy especially in my 20's that even though I was liking the goth scene and loved everything about how they dressed. Loved goth women how they dressed and still do. Really cool. I didn't think I quite fit in.
I listen to metal music mostly from 80's metal to black metal. As well as other music types. Years later while I still think I don't quite fit in I got the concept that none of that matters. I have no idea why. 1 I may figure out at some point. But I still love the goth scene. And I like watching your videos. Really good and really cool. 👍👍
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Welcome!
Where do I find this angel dream perfume you mentioned? My perfume obsessed darkling heart must know 🖤
A company called AIRS made it. I believe the company was sold and you can still get it, but its different.
I never consider myself goth. 5 years ago my friend recommend me joy division,it wasnt my think but spotify start to make playlist with the cure and it was the rabbit hole for me i was listening to darkwave,coldwave (lebanon hanover ,twin tribes etc.)i didnt know thats all this music have subculture under it but i always like the dark and alternative aesthetic so it was natural to "adapt"the aesthetic in my everyday clothing like rosaries,fishnets... Bc i was in love with rozz wiliams,peter murphy type of fashion .But i never understand the urge to have looks like a 80s goth everyday everymoment have rules whats is consider goth and you have to have some sort of label.
Hope things stabilize, blessed Yule season to you.
Thank you so much. Blessed Yule season to you as well.
do you have any late 90s early 2000s goth albums you could recommend?
Diva Destruction!!!
Thyroid issues suck. BTW January is thyroid disease awareness month. Best wishes!
I did not know this! Thank you for letting me know. Hey, maybe they have some big announcements on improvements and advancements in treatment and cures for thyroid diseases prepared for them. I got my fingers crossed and I will send it out into the universe. Thank you so much for the well wishes. Have a happy holiday season.
@@angelabenedictT I take it with the grain of salt but stimulating vagus nerve slows down the heart rate, most dangerous side effect of hyperthyroidism. The safest way of stimulating vagus nerve is gargling.
It was soothing listening to you. I thought I’d only tune in for one minute but then the topic became more interesting as it progressed. I’m confused on your age. I’m assuming you graduated HS in 97 which would make you 18+26=44 years old today (that can’t be correct).
No, I graduated in 1998. However I had a year in school that I had to repeat in elementary so I'm 44.
I would never have guessed. You look 10 years younger. I’m a closeted goth professor so apropos to your topic, I don’t walk around in public all “gothed”out.