Welcome to the MA 1 | Part 7 - Step by Step Guide
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- Опубликовано: 28 авг 2024
- Markus Wolff (Portfolio Manager Studio Monitor Systems at Neumann) and John McGregor (Project Manager SoundAcademy) guide you through the MA 1 system step by step!
This video was produced in cooperation with the Sennheiser SoundAcademy.
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German engineering and precision -- there is no substitute :) I have Neuman KH750 + KH 80's and they are truly outstanding. Love them!
How big is your room?
@@Maximilianmofficial 11 x 11 feet.
@@astcal I just purchased the Naim Uniti Star and a friend of mine suggested that I pair it with the KH80s and KH750 / I'd love your thoughts!
KH 750 & KH 310 & MA1 here:
A breathtaking example of engineering art how something excellent (KH 310) can be made even better (KH 750 + KH 310 + alignment): outstanding job - thank you Neumann!
Ich überlege auch gerade den 750 zu meinen 310 zu holen :) - dann auch mit dem MA1 .... ist dann die Control App mit dem Ipad auch notwendig ? Habe nämlich keins :)))
Die Control App brauchst Du. Sie funktioniert aber auch unter Windows 10, 64 Bit. Ein IPAD ist also nicht erforderlich.
Der Unterschied bei den KH 310 mit und ohne KH 750 DSP ist eindrucksvoll und größer als ich dachte.
@@kurtpeter6047 Danke 😊
@@kurtpeter6047 Vor ein paar Monaten kam ein Freund mit seinem 750 und seinem Ipad vorbei… auf die schnelle eingestellt, hatte mich der Sound nicht umgehauen - vor allem hat meinen 310ern dann der gewohnte Bass, den ich gewöhnt bin und liebe, gefehlt… aber ich denke, dass es sich mit dem Mikro dann besser optimieren/einstellen lässt 😌🙏🏻
Das exakte (!) Einmessen nach (durch die Software geführter) Anleitung macht einen deutlichen Unterschied zu den lediglich manuellen und (demgegenüber eingeschränkten) Einstellmöglichkeiten auf der Rückwand des KH 750 DSP (exakte Phasenkorrektur, Raumeinfluss, Frequenzgang). Manuell konnte ich das auch mit größerem Zeitaufwand nicht nachbilden.
Tipp für den Unterschied im Bassbereich (aber auch den Mitten):
Referenz: John Mayer, Gravity; oder fast alles von Brian Culbertson.
I love the silver Klein & Hummel monitors! 😉
Fantastic job all round Markus! Well done to the complete team there!
hello Neumann, how does this MA-1 calibration software differ from general monitor/room-correction software like SonarWorks' Reference 4 ?
Hello there! Anywhere Neumann’s Automatic Alignment is a dedicated tool for stereo sets of DSP-based KH-Line monitors with or without the KH 750 DSP/AES67 as well as two non DSP-based KH-Line monitors connected to the analog outputs of a KH 750 DSP/AES67 subwoofer. Unlike conventional correction software it is an integrated solution with novel algorithms, jointly developed with the Fraunhofer Institute for Integrated Circuits (IIS) specifically for Neumann studio monitors. No plug-in or special audio driver is required: Alignment data is stored and processed within the DSP-powered monitors resp. the subwoofer themselves. As a unique benefit, the software not only optimizes the amplitude response but also optimizes the phase. This provides highest accuracy in terms of tonality, impulse reproduction and stereo localization. Also, none of the other solutionsworks like Neumann’s MA 1. The software’s golden algorithm is much more sophisticated, analyzing room conditions instead of simply aligning the system to a unified flat response. The MA 1 also considers the internal parameters of the Neumann monitors. No other software has access to this information and can therefore align a Neumann system in such a good quality.
@@GeorgNeumannGmbH Yeah - if your algorithms are as good as your MA1 Software lol...
The process is such horrific for persons that do not have a router nearby.
Installing WiFi to your speakers wouldn't cost that much, but yeah Georg Neumann the great capitalist wants to save every penny, so he can spend it on a new car.
@@mixingacademy1224even Genelec with their SAM Software need LAN Cables so whats the problem ? You always die ,,one death,,. A Switch & 20m Ethernet Cables costs nothing so wheres the problem ? What build in Correction software works wireless. Totally unnecessary comment for an Situation maybe 1 of 1000 People have.
I there no way to recalibrate the target curve after the software has been closed? Currently it looks like the whole setup procedure has to be done again to modify the target curve manually.
This seems like a great product! Just one question: Is there a way to just download and store the individual correction for a particular M1 microphone once and then use the software offline from that point on?
From what I gather, it’s all stored in the speakers’ internal DSP, and any changes you desire to make you do in the app hooked to the speaker. The Ethernet connection is LAN (local area network) only and is used to connect to a computer, so ignore the conspiracy theorist below who is (hopefully joking) or knows nothing of IT. 🤦
@@CirclesandSounds In order to start the app you need to insert your serial number so it downloads the calibration file for the microphone. My question was if I could use the software offline after that has happened once and if there's a way to obtain and store that calibration file offline for the future so properly using the measurement microphone and the app for adjusting the crossover/dsp locally does not rely on some servers anymore.
Of course the communication between app and sub happens locally but the protocol is proprietary, so if the app refuses to work without talking to some servers, you can't use it locally anyway. Apart from that it would be pretty bad if you coudn't obtain the calibration of the measurement mic you bought in order to use it with different software.
I'm talking about the desktop application btw., not the ipad app!
„..if I can use the software offline after that has happend once..?“:
The anwser is: YES
(tested with desktop applikation)
I recently purchased the MA1 and carried out alignment of KH80’s at the weekend with good results!! However, I am about to receive further acoustic treatment for my back wall in the form of two bass traps and so I wondered whether I will need to carry out the alignment again? The listening area remains the same and will not have any further treatment but I wasn’t sure if I needed to repeat it with the addition of back wall treatment? Many thanks
Normally you would need to re-calibrate the monitors even if you moved a piece of furniture just a bit as it can have an impact on the overall result. If you did a significant change (something that results in more absorption or more reflection) i.e. adding treatment, adding a sofa or removing these things, you have to re-calibrate.
@@txctk1782 thanks so much for your reply and advice, I really appreciate it and will of course now follow your recommendation. Thank you
Awesome question. I appreciate both the questions and the reply. Hope you both are enjoying your setups!
Excuse the stupid question
Do i need to deactivate the bass management switch on the KH750 or leave it active while going through the MA-1 setup process.
I have it hooked to a pair of KH310s
Thanks
Hi there! You should keep it Enabled on the back of the sub whilst going through the alignment.
Once calibrated, it can be controlled/toggled on and off from the MA 1 software (it’s a checkbox).
Will this software be able to calibrate a 5.1 systems in the future? I am building a room with 5x kh120 and 1x 750dsp.
Hi Marc, we're continuously working on the MA 1 software. Once we do offer multi-channel alignments, we'll advertise it on Social Media!
my kh 750 dsp is paired with two kh 120 A speakers. when it gets detected by the software, it appears as Left Subwoofer. Why??
I think you have to assign the sub to left or right.
If I'm using a third party subwoofer along with the KH80, will the DSP consider that and incorporate it?
Can i switch back to local after i have done the calibration? If cant, can i only keep the switch on network without the network cable plugin? I ask this because i have only one ethernet port in my room, and i need it connected to my laptop, since the wifi is not stable. Thank you for your help.
I want to know that too!
To both questions: Yes.
(If you choose lokal: manual correction via blackplate is active. If you choose network: automatic alignment is active although network cable is switched off)
I did two different measurements (subwoofer under desk or in front of the wall) and saved both. Can I upload one and later the other if I move the subwoofer back?
Hello, I use a pair of kh310 connected to 750 to calibrate. After calibration, I save the parameters and then close the software. After unplugging the network cable, is the calibration parameter written into the subwoofer dsp? I don’t need to connect the network cable every time I use it. Expect to you to answer me , thank you so much.
Yes
According to the video, audio interface sample rate should be set to 48khz for the alignment process. After audio alignment is complete, I can disconnect the LAN from the speakers, leave the kh120ii switches in "network" position? I assume I can return my audio interface sample rate to 44.1khz and work as I normally do? Any info would be appreciated.
Yes, absolutely correct!
Hi! How are two KH 750 DSP subwoofers to be connected when using digital BNC connectors? Daisy chain through subwoofers, T-connectors with termination (like word clock) or discrete digital stereo feeds where other carries left and other right channel? The connection diagram in manual isn't very specific of this.
Hi, good question! Daisy chaining AES3 is not supported by the KH 750 currently, so T-connector with termination would be the preferred, most economically feasible option.
In the unlikely scenario this would not work reliably, using two AES3 outputs would be an alternative, albeit involving higher cost.
If you would want the subs to reproduce only L or R you would need just the relevant signal on the respective output.
We hope that’s helpful.
I want to be able to choose which measurements in which specific order I will do. E.g. I want to be able to make all 3 LPs at the beginning and e.g. the step 2 as last measurement as there is an obstacle for which I need to adjust the whole mic stand for. At the current conditions I have to perfectly adjust the mic stand 5 times. It could be just 3 times.
Hi there! The order of the measurements is not relevant except for the first measurement that needs to happen at the listening position. As long as you following each spacing and direction guidance for one measurement, you will get the same results from any order of measurements 2-7.
@@GeorgNeumannGmbH thanks for the comment. I am however not sure if I understood correctly what you mean. The first measurement needs to be at the LP, all the following can be switched around as long as I keep direction and space -> that would mean I still need to follow the steps in the given order, doesn‘t it? As step 2 is X cm to the left when facing the speakers, if I do it to the right instead I wouldn‘t follow the given direction anymore
@@chrisjakob25 Hi! There’s two things that are key: the initial measurement needs to happen with the mic at the listening position and all of the other six measurements need to be carried out at the positions specified, not necessarily the order specified.
Maybe you’d want to go through the measurement process without moving the mic and noting all the positions requested. You can now shuffle the order of positions so it works with your obstacle and reposition the mic according to your notes.
Hello. Can I use some other measuring microphone, not only neumann MA1?
Hi Stepan, you do need the MA 1 for this!
@@GeorgNeumannGmbH thank you
I fail to measure to the centimeter over a distance of 2.20m. Laser Tools are neither as accurate. Is there any smart way to quickly reposition the mic to the needed positions? Looking from a handheld ruler like demonstrated here is too inaccurate for me as the angle offset when looking at the ruler makes it not accurate to the centimeter
Hi there! While high accuracy is key when setting up the speakers and the mic position for the initial measurement, 1-2 cm accuracy is fine for the other measurement positions.
I have serious troubles to get the software working with my Pro Tools Carbon Interface on a Mac, "No microphone signal detected!" no matter what I am trying. Did check out the troubleshooting section, but no success. And no support area on the Neumann website. Wirklich schade!
Hi there! Kindly get in touch with our experts via headoffice@neumann.com!
Hi ! Considering the manual of KH 310, where it says that your ears should be at the point between the tweeter and the midwoofer. Then the height of the microphone during the measurement should be this height or the direction of the tweeter which is higher than the listening point?Thanks
Hello there! The measuring microphone should be directed at the height between the midrange and tweeter. So at the height of the ears.
Why am I only given the option to select sub L or R? I have one sub that is centered.
They say pick left then since it’s associated with the master
Do you know if I can use the software with my KH 750 even in my satellites are analog and NOT Neumann?
Hi Federico, the MA 1 software can only be used with Neumann monitors.
@@GeorgNeumannGmbH Thanks, what about the software for the sub KH750? Can I use it with my ATCs?
@@federicosanchez9840yea you can use them. Before my KH150 i used the 750 over a Year with Unity Audio Super Rock Speakers and use the Software Setting for the KH310. The result was also very good.
MA-1 software cannot update firmware software onto the speakers causing errors. Anyone have this issue?
Please check the firewall settings. It´s mandatory to deactivate this temporary for firmware updates.
@@GeorgNeumannGmbHAs well as during the calibration?
@@GeorgNeumannGmbH that worked.
This is not relevant for calibration. Only for firmware updates😊
How can this system upgrade my setup (2x KH 310, 2x KH 810) if I buy two KH 750?
An anti room mode mode would be great! Let's call it KH 750-ARAM. Do you have any plans for a development in this direction?
Hi Maxi, kindly get in touch with our Customer Service via +49 3920372741. They will gladly assist you!
Una guida in italiano esiste da qualche parte o no??
I did two different measurements (subwoofer under desk or in front of the wall) and saved both. Can I upload one and later the other if I move the subwoofer back?
Hi Malte, unfortunately, this is not possible. We're continuously working on the MA 1 software though!