Enjoyed the first trip report.. I agree with your observations on fuel gauge and I’m always looking to refuel on remaining range or just under 50% on the gauge. Looking forward to the off road reports..
Great use of the car, now for the diff locks and corrugations. I got mine 2 days ago. Needed your video in finding the auxiliary wires, and will unashamedly copy your multi outlet arrangement. More sense than using the centre box outlets. I’ll also install spotties using bar clamps.
Glad to be of some help, be interested in where you put your spotties. I think I will be adding a little extra lighting soon, may consider a roof bar but the option to use the provided wiring doesn't work for me.John
Thanks for sharing the journey, had my Grenadier since April and not disappointed however like any new vehicle there are always things that could be better. Dread to think what my petrol version would be like with your load on but sadly in UK I won't have the joys of the terrain you have to roam around. Look forward to the rest of your journey.
Hi David, glad you are enjoying it... maybe we will do a swap one day..ha ha! I am hearing the petrol is pretty spritely to drive, not that the diesel isn't. I really appreciate you interest and taking the time to comment, Cheers John
Right on both accounts! Donny Grey a great colour but shows that red dust alright...love that. Its a great joy to out in the bush...Thanks for your comment, John
Bought a 2019 Toyota Landcruiser 2.8 D-4D Invincible It was a nightmare from about 7K miles .... multiple problems going into limb mode when towing 2 ton trailer uphill resulted in numerous visit to dealers 3 exhaust filters 2 engines @ 28K miles I got rid of it when 2 nd replacement engine lost power from continuous limb mode when towing up hill. In my experience there's good & bad in every modern vehicle, just hope you stay lucky with your Grenadier. My most reliable towing vehicle in last 10 years PHEV Mitsubishi, it's never went wrong in 100k miles 🤠
I can tell you one thing for sure, I have had a number of Mitsubishi Tridents and none have ever missed a beat! I agree all modern cars seem to have a few gremlins, they are so complicated these days. I am hoping for good things from the Grenadier.Thanks for watching and commenting, John
Great video John. I did a 6000km round trip (Melbourne to Uluru via Oodnadatta track) - mixed tarmac and dirt. Fully laden Grenadier but no trailer. Experienced all issues you have (both positives and negatives), probably had more engine alert lights than you did, some of which disabled the cruise control for periods which was annoying. Strangely they seem to disappear around 5000 km (others have commented similarly). Fuel gauge issues were the same and I agree with all the comments that remaining range is the best indicator. Over the trip I averaged 11.9l/100 km, which is a couple of litres per 100km less than I burned in my 3l diesel Patrol GU. As expected cranking the Grenadier up to 130km in the NT saw economy fall to 14.1l/100km. The engine is sweet and has loads of power when overtaking and personally I find the cabin the most comfortable of any vehicle have driven. I love the seats, the footwell isn’t an issue for me and the visibility from the driving position is terrific. A few other cons you didn’t mention. Storage in the doors and central console is very limited ( vs say my old Patrol), the (near vertical) windscreen is very prone to chips (I had to replace mine after getting hit by several rocks on the Oonadatta - not cheap $2700!!!) - was very cautious of other vehicles approaching me after that!! and because of the excellent double seals on the doors and the need to slam them hard to close them you can get a lot of (red) dust in the cabin when in the outback.
Sounds Like a great trip. I have also done the Melbourne Oodnadatta track run ( not in the Grenny). You also make some great points and I will be mentioning a few of the little annoyances in future videos. Aaaahh the windscreen! I does seem so vulnerable. I was lucky although I did try and get out of the way when passing other vehicles. I have one free one up my sleeve with my insurance. Don't you just love those who don't even slow down when passing on narrow tracks!! Your economy sounds good and mine did improve over the journey. I agree on the doors and dust but I noticed the car is generally well dust proofed... Just need to wait for the dust to settle a bit before opening the door after you stop...which I forgot to do on a number of occasion! I , like you, am really enjoying this car. Thanks so much for watching and taking the time to comment. I really appreciate it, John
The Insurance is interesting, I went with Allianz because of the ability to choose your own repaired. ( far from being the cheapest) One windscreen but no cost limitation. I guess your replacement was a OEM most others are non genuine, but I guess they haven't started manufacturing replacement for the IG yet.
Thank you for the video. It appears to be truly honest feedback, in contrast to the "very well-established" but biased RUclips channels. I had test drives of both the Grenadier and the new LC79 V8. After some consideration and a deeper look into the specifications and objective reality, I've decided to go with the Land Cruiser. I think old school is old school. If you can make a square squarer and a round rounder for an extra $30k, maybe choose the Ineos. As for me, for real off-road and expedition style, the LC 70 series is the clear winner.
Thanks for those comments, I am sure you will enjoy the Toyota, no doubt a well proven vehicle. It is always good to hear people making decisions based on good research and consideration of their needs. Glad my video was useful in assisting you with your decision. Hopefully I will provide more interesting watching for you in the future ...not everything is about the Grenadier. Cheers John
Thx John, looking forward to more videos on the Grenadier and your experience. Almost bought one but opted for a 76 instead. There's no question it's a less refined vehicle than the Grenadier but suits me. Nice see someone using one offroad already!
Great idea, High Country.. I lived for a number of years in Dixons Creek, so I know the Toolangi and surrounding area really well. Some great tracks up there! Like your channel , count me as a subscriber. John
@@cannyoutdoors thx mate, Toolangi still on my list to get to, based in Albury so spend a lot of time in around Dargo, Wonnangatta and across to Mt Buller. Only occasionally get to the more southern areas.
Hi John I had a quick chat with you guys at condamine 26.09.23 I was on the BMW motorcycle thanks for the sticker it's on my pannier safe travels to you all
I really appreciated you taking the time to stop and have a chat...I think you were about the only others on that road! I remember your BM as we mentioned the BMW engine in the Grenadier and I have a 2 series coupe here at home. Thanks again and hopefully we will cross paths again, John
from my experience regarding the remaining range indication: very consevative. the % fuel remaining seems to be very accurate. did run it down to 6%, remaining range "red" for quite a while. got then ~88l in when refuelling.
88l whoa! that's getting close..assuming the tank does only hold 90l. Some doubt about that. % may also indicate a little more than 90l. On my trip I had to be a bit careful as fuel stops were a bit scarce but I was carrying 80l in Jerry's. Thanks for your interest and comment, John
looks to me like you can get a little more in there. i was lucky...had plenty of gas stations around so i tried to find the limits....but chickened out at the end 🤣
Greetings from the US. Joined a bit ago to follow you along. Thanks for sharing. I’m very curious to see how it pans out for you. My current ride (apx. 20yrs) is a 100LandCruiser. If I get the Grenadier, it will join my LC (I won’t be getting rid of it). I don’t care for the Prado that’s coming to the US (it’s being marketed as THE LandCruiser, not as a Prado. Ok, I enjoyed the video. All the best!
Hi, the US....my second favourite country (after Aus). I have visited many times particularly in my cattle farming days. Love to know where you reside...like here it's a big place. Love that you have a 100LC.. hang on to that for sure. I reckon the Grenadier will be a good fit for you after that. Thanks for watching I appreciate you commenting. John
Great content mate 👍 Interesting to see how an unknown vehicle of this calibre is running in the real world! Very interested to follow your journey! 19L/100 isn't too bad . . . It's not fantastic but it sure isn't horrible. Interesting the gauge isn't accurate . . . That's annoying! Happy travels 👍
I agree re the intrusive seat adjuster. It seems so unnecessary especially considering the already limited space in the driver’s footwell. I’m trying to think of a solution as it makes for unnecessary discomfort
Great vid thanks John. I see you have a stonestomper. Appears my tow hitch tongue supplied by Ineos isn't long enough to fit the ss bracket. Did you replace your tongue or was yours long enough to drill another hole to extend it out?
Thank you, the rear view camera is from Saferty Daves. I tossed up between it and one of the wireless version like Furrion or a new one from RV security. In the end Safety Dave has a great reputation(and was cheaper by a fair bit) and running the cabling was a pretty straightforward job. It's been excellent. Thanks for your comment ,John
Yes I am sure they will fix them. It seems common with just about all new car models. A friend has just bought (3 months ago) a top of the line new Range Rover... its been back in the dealers yard with issues more time than it has been with him....Thanks for your interest. John
I only tow a relatively light camper van, probably under 2 tonne but I don't know it's behind me when I do. So from my POV it tows really well. Thanks for watching the vid, John
Thanks for that tip, let's call it electrical hygiene!!! I will pay more attention to checking and cleaning the connections especially with all that dust and water. Thanks for your interest, John
Great Vid. Not sure i could sit with my knee at right angles like that. Id need to straighten it out a bit. Bit of a bummer as its one thing you cant change.
Yes as I said prefer it not be there. Sitting at right angles( a bit like in a chair) seems to work for me particularly with cruise control on. I occasionally needed to just stretch out my left leg under the brake pedal..... not ideal I know. Overall however I found the driving position not uncomfortable and the seats great. I didn't get out of the car at stops groaning... that a good sign! Thanks for your comment, John
Great video John. 5.28 t all up The van just over 2 t So The vehicle is over 3 t As they say, it’s best that you are not towing a load that weighs more than your vehicle. A lot more strain etc on a vehicle, if u r… The Grenadier is a solid & heavy vehicle In this situation, of towing just over 2 t The Grenadier should manage that with no problem, as you described… Being at GVM / GCM Is a totally different situation… To being at 5.28 t all up. Your vehicle is new Engine needs to loosen up etc Hopefully once it’s done 10,000 km Fuel consumption will improve Obviously it’s not an aerodynamic vehicle, and stuff on the roof etc So It’s never going to be as economical as a Corolla But We all know that Hopefully the electrical warnings settle down and go away R u carrying an OBD port scan tool ? This can be very helpful to give u more specific info on the cause of a particular warning light… U then know if it’s really serious or not An Engine Check Light on its own, or a message on the Dashboard, does not give enough info… If warning lights come on If u pull over Turn vehicle fully off for 1 minute Then vehicle back on This process can often be like a Reset And warning lights go away However Keep a note of all this & Get your Service Dealer To thoroughly scan the vehicle etc Hopefully these warnings are not real problems A full scan / reset at Dealer And dealer doing Software Upgrade Will hopefully cure these things. 🙏🏻 This first road trip is a shakedown for the vehicle Report any issues, such as an inaccurate Fuel Gauge etc to your Service Dealer. Hopefully they can sort out any kinks with the vehicle, straight away Wishing u many happy and safe miles of traveling in the Grenadier Cheers. 👍
Thanks Stephen, I really appreciate you taking the time and providing that very useful information. I didn't carry and OBD scan tool but will take up your suggestion. And the fuel consumption did improv over the trip. Certainly will be passing on any issues to the Ineos agent. Cheers, John
Right on, that's the plan for a vid at the end of the trip with a summary of the good and the bad including an inspection and service by the agent. Im keeping a list!!! Thanks for the suggestion I appreciate it, John
Good to see it runs smoothly. Fuel consumption appears high especially for hwy driving. Perhaps that fuel gauge may self calibrate but it's certainly something that needs sorting. How do you find the stock suspension is coping with the trailer? Looking forward to the next vid. Thanks for sharing
Hi Michael, yes fuel pretty high but neither the Grenny, the stuff strapped on the roof or my trailer could be considered aerodynamic !!! However it did improve. the suspension was fine, no probs with the trailer and soaked up the corrugation and bull dust pits really well. Thanks for your interest, John
I guess it's not exactly an aerodynamic masterpiece and dragging a load goes some way to excusing it. Also did improve as the engine got a few more kilometres on it. Thanks for your comment, John
That's interesting, really good economy. Proves maybe bigger (engine) is not necessarily better. Lot in common in the overloading and 4x4 world with Australia and South Africa. I appreciate you watching and taking the time too comment.John
Hi Mark, Yes I am pretty careful with the fires (30 years in the fire brigade) as you say very dry. The fuel consumption did come down a bit as we went on. Thanks for commenting, John
What's the service network like for these? When you travel around Australia,does ineos allow mechanics to access their repair manuals and specifications/parts etc
Really good question! Ineos are providing a roadside service (through Alliance in Australia) This is supposedly available anywhere but fortunately I haven't needed to test it. My agent made sure I had the 1800 number to call if needed but also said to contact them if I had any trouble. In regard to the manuals....gee I would love to have access to them!!! Thanks for your interest, John
@cannyoutdoors it would be something I would be sussing out before going on any huge trip for peace of mind,I never heard of alliance before maybe that's an east coast thing. Atleast if you know where to access parts and repair manuals you can use that information when you need a repair or parts in the middle of nowhere
Great vid - and great outcome. As I said great van but vehicle is something I coins not buy with confidence- a bit like owning that iconic vintage and taking on a long drive you fantasise about but know deep down it may not end how you want it to.
Fuel consumption is diabolical also it’s not a plus saying you have done 500K without a problem, I have done 150,000 K in my Mitsubishi L200 without a problem or any warning lights to be fair, glad I cancelled mine and went for the V6 Ranger platinum at a fraction of the cost and tax advantages
I have had a number of Mitsubishis in my time, early Triton, Challenger, and the current model Trident. Al great trouble free cars.I would recommend them to anybody...and well priced. Before this vehicle I had a Ranger Wildtrak, also a great car (5cyl 3.2). Fuel consumption when loaded was up there with the Grenadier and I had numerous minor problems with electronics, still I really enjoyed that car and it never actually let me down. I very seriously considered the new Everest Platinum. Like the new Ranger looks to be a fantastic vehicle and I am sure you will enjoy your Ranger. Thanks for your comment, John
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no fuel miser, that's abt 235 dollars diesel for 400km so drive all day see some gums, find a shingly camp, that is Au fer ya, give me Canada, Europe where the scenery is varying and interesting, yeh na yeh Maate
Yes I reckon it's better than the old defender, but you can't ignore its Defender genesis. Certainly a more suitable vehicle for getting off the beaten track than the new Defender in my opinion and I am not a big fan of all the electronics that come with the new cars (even my wife's Subaru drive me nuts at times). Although I do still secretly admire the new Defender. Thanks for you comment, John
Had a $400 000 Range Rover Autobiography nothing but problems. Now have a $200 000 Lexus lx I have done the almost identical 5000 klm and not one problem . I see you have had a few Gremlins already ! I hope it is not a sign of things to come .
Lexus is a great car and with a few more development years under its belt. Hoping (and expecting) these gremlins will be sorted. Thanks for your interest and commenting, John
That's really good. The consumption did improve as you will see. There are so many variables terrain and particularly speed. Thanks for your interest, John
And still we don’t see how well a Grenadier actually carries weight- and performs. Put something like 750kg in the actual vehicle itself. That’s a real world test that for some strange reason has never been done. As ASPW has so eloquently put it- nowhere… NOWHERE… in the Grenadier marketing parade… do we actually see the Grenadier carrying a full load. That’s what I want to see and hear about.
Yes good point, I estimate my load about 550kg in the car (with towball) plus 80kg for Trialmaster spec (re R. Pepper) plus bull bar and winch probably getting up there. Thanks for your comment.
The fuel consumption is well under 15mpg Imperial which is poor by modern standards for towing 2.5 tons on the flat at a near constant 60mph. For a diesel. My old Land Cruiser 100 with its 4.2 200hp engine and four speed automatic would better that by about 3 to 4mpg. With this consumption and the distance between fuel stations the practical range comes down to 250 miles or less, with a theoretical maximum of just less than 300 miles. It needs a bigger fuel tank. However, that is only one small aspect of running such a vehicle combination and some of the others are surely very much advanced, such as the responsiveness of the eight speed ZF.
Agreed , however they did improve a bit and the first few hundred kilometres were on some pretty hilly terrain. Speed also made a big difference I was probably travelling around 68 MPH dropping down to 60 made a difference. Fuel tank size is definitely a negative. I carried 4 jerry cans and had to use 2 (about 10.5 gallons) to get between fuel stops. the engine and gearbox combination fell great. Thanks for your interest and commenting, John
@cannyoutdoors It is obvious that retrofit long range tanks will emerge to solve the tank capacity issue. Looking forward to the next chapter. Hoping Grenadier endures, so your tales will become legendary as the first real-world expedition report !
@@philhealey4443 There’s very little room for a bigger tank underneath and no room for an extra tank. The spare wheel is already externally located, so a tank cannot take its place underneath.
I work in the auction industry been 37 years. The greatest disappointment in european and british cars is the electrics. Lots of dramas. Incertainly hope you wont experience more than you have eg fuel guage and sensors but its a let down across the board
Yes I hope so, I think these thing will be sorted..it seems they got all the best and proven components to build the car but this bit is new and takes a bit of sorting out. Thanks for your comment, John
Ineos. The car maker owned by uk billionire Jim Ratcliffe, who supports Brexit and who swore this car would be built in England. It’s built in a former mec-benz factory by French workers… in France! It’s now Portuguese, German, French and who inows what else. Losses of £250M declared and a total write off of around £650M expected. If JLR cannot produce the Defender, Ineos cannot produce the Grenadier.
There’s NO way your Disco would get 10 litres / 100 kms Whilst towing approx 2.1 t Johns Grenadier, has the BMW 3 litre straight six diesel motor This is an excellent motor. John’s vehicle is brand new Engine yet to loosen up I’d expect fuel consumption to get better But The Grenadier is not aerodynamic, & he has stuff up on the roof In this video GCM is 5.28 t Vehicle is just over 3 t Towing just over 2 t
Great vehicle the D3. Wow 10L! gee my ford ranger was doing about19 with the same load. I pulled a load up from Melbourne a couple of years ago on current model Nissan Pathfinder and got 23.(yep it was a pretty heavy load about 2.5t and the pathfinders aren't exactly a good tow vehicle). Hang on to that Disco. Cheers John
Your steering wheel is too high...it's a great way to get tired while driving real fast. Try having you wrists lower than you shoulders. If the Ineos allows this, does it still give you plenty of room to exit and enter the vehicle with your legs? If not then it's designed poorly. So I think I disagree with your driving position assessment there. From my point of view here in TV land it seems those A pillars are too large reducing visibility. 5.28 tonnes, too heavy, they should be trying to make the car lighter for sand work.
Thank you for that suggestion , I think you are right on the mark. I did notice particularly my left hand suffering a little after long periods of driving. I will lower it today (yes it is adjustable). The pillars are big but I didn't find it too bad but it is hard to see much out the back, that's for sure.Cheers, John
@@cannyoutdoors if you want any validation of what I'm saying, look at the way people drive when you're sitting in the passenger seat, once they've been in the car for probably half an hour or more, have a look at the way they get comfortable. Their hands dropped down and they hold the steering wheel with their hands near their knees near their legs, this is because our hands were made to be by our sides and the blood and veins system all works with our hands lower. Now claerly, you do need your hands up higher if you want to steer quickly, and with the most amount of turn for the least amount of energy, so you'll bring your hands up to do that. Have a look at my drivers when you're sitting at the lights next to you. Their hands will be much higher than their shoulders and the top of the steering wheel higher again. This just crazy. You don't want to drive like that, lower the steering wheel, make yourself comfortable. I've read heaps of books on four-wheel driving and done advanced driving courses and read all the books and as an archaeologist/geologist I've done heaps of driving all over Australia. You look at the car racing drivers, their steering wheels aren't that high and they keep their hands low at the three position. It's all about what you can do over a long drive to keep yourself less tired and refreshed.
@@cannyoutdoors just for your information I've been following this guy for a long time. He's a well-known well seasoned four-wheel-drive, and you might be interested in his opinion. ruclips.net/video/xxM5I_OmnmQ/видео.html
@@Robert-cu9bm It does work that way. Name one vehicle with the frontal area and weight of the Grenadier, running AT tyres and towing all up weight 5.8T. You can't.
@@cannyoutdoors No worries mate... You know how we say that in England, if you break down overlanding, you call an Uber and a recovery... In Aussie, you die....
3,100 miles is a great durability test. I am in the US and looking forward to my Grenadier delivery next year. You and other global market buyers are de-bugging the Grenadier for American reservation holders. Thank you!
Glad to be of service !!! Great to help our friends in the US.. of which I have many. Visited many times. I am sure you will enjoy it when it arrives. Thank you for watching and taking the time to comment.John
Guess I'll be the bunny that gives them a go.Yet you are not necessarily unwise to wait and see...this would apply to most new vehicles. Thanks for your interest, keep watching you might change your mind....or not. Cheers John
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Thanks for taking us along for the ride, John. Looking forward to seeing the rest.
Thanks David, I really appreciate you interest. John
Enjoyed the first trip report.. I agree with your observations on fuel gauge and I’m always looking to refuel on remaining range or just under 50% on the gauge. Looking forward to the off road reports..
Thanks Edward, yes good practice I think. Thanks again for commenting
Great use of the car, now for the diff locks and corrugations. I got mine 2 days ago. Needed your video in finding the auxiliary wires, and will unashamedly copy your multi outlet arrangement. More sense than using the centre box outlets. I’ll also install spotties using bar clamps.
Glad to be of some help, be interested in where you put your spotties. I think I will be adding a little extra lighting soon, may consider a roof bar but the option to use the provided wiring doesn't work for me.John
Thanks for sharing the journey, had my Grenadier since April and not disappointed however like any new vehicle there are always things that could be better. Dread to think what my petrol version would be like with your load on but sadly in UK I won't have the joys of the terrain you have to roam around. Look forward to the rest of your journey.
Hi David, glad you are enjoying it... maybe we will do a swap one day..ha ha! I am hearing the petrol is pretty spritely to drive, not that the diesel isn't. I really appreciate you interest and taking the time to comment, Cheers John
The key is - you are getting the Grenadier dirty and enjoying the country.
Thanks for the update - keep well John
Right on both accounts! Donny Grey a great colour but shows that red dust alright...love that. Its a great joy to out in the bush...Thanks for your comment, John
Bought a 2019
Toyota Landcruiser 2.8 D-4D Invincible
It was a nightmare from about 7K miles .... multiple problems going into limb mode when towing 2 ton trailer uphill resulted in numerous visit to dealers
3 exhaust filters 2 engines @ 28K miles I got rid of it when 2 nd replacement engine lost power from continuous limb mode when towing up hill.
In my experience there's good & bad in every modern vehicle, just hope you stay lucky with your
Grenadier.
My most reliable towing vehicle in last 10 years
PHEV Mitsubishi, it's never went wrong in 100k miles 🤠
I can tell you one thing for sure, I have had a number of Mitsubishi Tridents and none have ever missed a beat! I agree all modern cars seem to have a few gremlins, they are so complicated these days. I am hoping for good things from the Grenadier.Thanks for watching and commenting, John
Great video John. I did a 6000km round trip (Melbourne to Uluru via Oodnadatta track) - mixed tarmac and dirt. Fully laden Grenadier but no trailer. Experienced all issues you have (both positives and negatives), probably had more engine alert lights than you did, some of which disabled the cruise control for periods which was annoying. Strangely they seem to disappear around 5000 km (others have commented similarly). Fuel gauge issues were the same and I agree with all the comments that remaining range is the best indicator. Over the trip I averaged 11.9l/100 km, which is a couple of litres per 100km less than I burned in my 3l diesel Patrol GU. As expected cranking the Grenadier up to 130km in the NT saw economy fall to 14.1l/100km. The engine is sweet and has loads of power when overtaking and personally I find the cabin the most comfortable of any vehicle have driven. I love the seats, the footwell isn’t an issue for me and the visibility from the driving position is terrific. A few other cons you didn’t mention. Storage in the doors and central console is very limited ( vs say my old Patrol), the (near vertical) windscreen is very prone to chips (I had to replace mine after getting hit by several rocks on the Oonadatta - not cheap $2700!!!) - was very cautious of other vehicles approaching me after that!! and because of the excellent double seals on the doors and the need to slam them hard to close them you can get a lot of (red) dust in the cabin when in the outback.
Sounds Like a great trip. I have also done the Melbourne Oodnadatta track run ( not in the Grenny). You also make some great points and I will be mentioning a few of the little annoyances in future videos. Aaaahh the windscreen! I does seem so vulnerable. I was lucky although I did try and get out of the way when passing other vehicles. I have one free one up my sleeve with my insurance. Don't you just love those who don't even slow down when passing on narrow tracks!! Your economy sounds good and mine did improve over the journey. I agree on the doors and dust but I noticed the car is generally well dust proofed... Just need to wait for the dust to settle a bit before opening the door after you stop...which I forgot to do on a number of occasion! I , like you, am really enjoying this car. Thanks so much for watching and taking the time to comment. I really appreciate it, John
@@cannyoutdoors I’m with Club 4*4, only cover $1K for windscreen 🙁
The Insurance is interesting, I went with Allianz because of the ability to choose your own repaired. ( far from being the cheapest) One windscreen but no cost limitation. I guess your replacement was a OEM most others are non genuine, but I guess they haven't started manufacturing replacement for the IG yet.
Good start and I know already that you made it back home, so I'm looking forward to the rest of the story.
Thanks David I appreciate your interest, John
Thank you for the video. It appears to be truly honest feedback, in contrast to the "very well-established" but biased RUclips channels. I had test drives of both the Grenadier and the new LC79 V8. After some consideration and a deeper look into the specifications and objective reality, I've decided to go with the Land Cruiser. I think old school is old school. If you can make a square squarer and a round rounder for an extra $30k, maybe choose the Ineos. As for me, for real off-road and expedition style, the LC 70 series is the clear winner.
Thanks for those comments, I am sure you will enjoy the Toyota, no doubt a well proven vehicle. It is always good to hear people making decisions based on good research and consideration of their needs. Glad my video was useful in assisting you with your decision. Hopefully I will provide more interesting watching for you in the future ...not everything is about the Grenadier. Cheers John
Thx John, looking forward to more videos on the Grenadier and your experience. Almost bought one but opted for a 76 instead. There's no question it's a less refined vehicle than the Grenadier but suits me. Nice see someone using one offroad already!
You have a great car also. One that has really proven itself. I hope the Grenadier has such an illustrious career. Thank you for commenting, John
Thx John. Looking forward to more of your vids on the Grenadier. Still hoping to twist my local dealers arm to let me take one into the high country.
Great idea, High Country.. I lived for a number of years in Dixons Creek, so I know the Toolangi and surrounding area really well. Some great tracks up there! Like your channel , count me as a subscriber. John
@@cannyoutdoors thx mate, Toolangi still on my list to get to, based in Albury so spend a lot of time in around Dargo, Wonnangatta and across to Mt Buller. Only occasionally get to the more southern areas.
Bit colder on the other side of the divide!
Thanks for sharing. Appreciate your thoughts.
Thank you, I appreciate you leaving a comment, John
Hi John I had a quick chat with you guys at condamine 26.09.23 I was on the BMW motorcycle thanks for the sticker it's on my pannier safe travels to you all
I really appreciated you taking the time to stop and have a chat...I think you were about the only others on that road! I remember your BM as we mentioned the BMW engine in the Grenadier and I have a 2 series coupe here at home. Thanks again and hopefully we will cross paths again, John
from my experience regarding the remaining range indication: very consevative. the % fuel remaining seems to be very accurate. did run it down to 6%, remaining range "red" for quite a while. got then ~88l in when refuelling.
88l whoa! that's getting close..assuming the tank does only hold 90l. Some doubt about that. % may also indicate a little more than 90l. On my trip I had to be a bit careful as fuel stops were a bit scarce but I was carrying 80l in Jerry's. Thanks for your interest and comment, John
looks to me like you can get a little more in there. i was lucky...had plenty of gas stations around so i tried to find the limits....but chickened out at the end 🤣
Well done.. I was a bit of a scaredy cat!
Great work John, look forward to seeing the other videos 👍🏼
Thanks Mike, I appreciate your interest. John
Nice one.
Enjoy it. Looking forward to more video's
Thanks Dave, I appreciate you watching, John
Greetings from the US.
Joined a bit ago to follow you along.
Thanks for sharing.
I’m very curious to see how it pans out for you.
My current ride (apx. 20yrs) is a 100LandCruiser. If I get the Grenadier, it will join my LC (I won’t be getting rid of it).
I don’t care for the Prado that’s coming to the US (it’s being marketed as THE LandCruiser, not as a Prado.
Ok, I enjoyed the video.
All the best!
Hi, the US....my second favourite country (after Aus). I have visited many times particularly in my cattle farming days. Love to know where you reside...like here it's a big place. Love that you have a 100LC.. hang on to that for sure. I reckon the Grenadier will be a good fit for you after that. Thanks for watching I appreciate you commenting. John
Nice work John. the rig looks great hope small bits and pieces sort out for you, small niggles hopefully they will sort out for you
Really enjoying it so far. Thanks again for your comments, John
Great content mate 👍
Interesting to see how an unknown vehicle of this calibre is running in the real world! Very interested to follow your journey!
19L/100 isn't too bad . . . It's not fantastic but it sure isn't horrible. Interesting the gauge isn't accurate . . . That's annoying!
Happy travels 👍
Thank you so much, glad you are enjoying it and I appreciate you commenting, John
With a camper being towed by a brick with a roof rack and fully loaded, it is fantastic.
It did seem to improve as we went on! Thanks for commenting, John
Lovely Ep
Thanks Craig!
I agree re the intrusive seat adjuster. It seems so unnecessary especially considering the already limited space in the driver’s footwell. I’m trying to think of a solution as it makes for unnecessary discomfort
Yes I would be happy to reach back a couple of inches to adjust the seat. let me know if you come up with a solution. Thanks for the comment, John
Fuel gauge not working, must be all that Land Rover DNA shining through😂
Ha ha! yes you may be right!! thanks for that comment, John
Great vid thanks John. I see you have a stonestomper. Appears my tow hitch tongue supplied by Ineos isn't long enough to fit the ss bracket. Did you replace your tongue or was yours long enough to drill another hole to extend it out?
Hi Paul, great to talk with you today, John
Really cool video !!! Awesome!! 😊What’s your rear view camera?
Thank you, the rear view camera is from Saferty Daves. I tossed up between it and one of the wireless version like Furrion or a new one from RV security. In the end Safety Dave has a great reputation(and was cheaper by a fair bit) and running the cabling was a pretty straightforward job. It's been excellent. Thanks for your comment ,John
Great ride report. I cant wait for Grenadier to fix little niggles. I plan to buy fully loaded luxury version 'Field Master' in 2025.
Yes I am sure they will fix them. It seems common with just about all new car models. A friend has just bought (3 months ago) a top of the line new Range Rover... its been back in the dealers yard with issues more time than it has been with him....Thanks for your interest. John
How is it towing? I live in Townsville and travel regularly to Hughenden and Richmond.
I only tow a relatively light camper van, probably under 2 tonne but I don't know it's behind me when I do. So from my POV it tows really well. Thanks for watching the vid, John
Hi Canny - When is the next video coming - I can't wait :-)
Thank you. It will be out tomorrow. Cheers John
Sometimes the trailer connection plug can cause those globe faults just clean the connection enjoy
Thanks for that tip, let's call it electrical hygiene!!! I will pay more attention to checking and cleaning the connections especially with all that dust and water. Thanks for your interest, John
Great Vid. Not sure i could sit with my knee at right angles like that. Id need to straighten it out a bit. Bit of a bummer as its one thing you cant change.
Yes as I said prefer it not be there. Sitting at right angles( a bit like in a chair) seems to work for me particularly with cruise control on. I occasionally needed to just stretch out my left leg under the brake pedal..... not ideal I know. Overall however I found the driving position not uncomfortable and the seats great. I didn't get out of the car at stops groaning... that a good sign! Thanks for your comment, John
Great video John.
5.28 t all up
The van just over 2 t
So
The vehicle is over 3 t
As they say, it’s best that you are not towing a load that weighs more than your vehicle.
A lot more strain etc on a vehicle, if u r…
The Grenadier is a solid & heavy vehicle
In this situation, of towing just over 2 t
The Grenadier should manage that with no problem, as you described…
Being at GVM / GCM
Is a totally different situation…
To being at 5.28 t all up.
Your vehicle is new
Engine needs to loosen up etc
Hopefully once it’s done
10,000 km
Fuel consumption will improve
Obviously it’s not an aerodynamic vehicle, and stuff on the roof etc
So
It’s never going to be as economical as a Corolla
But
We all know that
Hopefully the electrical warnings settle down and go away
R u carrying an OBD port scan tool ?
This can be very helpful to give u more specific info on the cause of a particular warning light…
U then know if it’s really serious or not
An Engine Check Light on its own, or a message on the Dashboard, does not give enough info…
If warning lights come on
If u pull over
Turn vehicle fully off for
1 minute
Then vehicle back on
This process can often be like a Reset
And warning lights go away
However
Keep a note of all this &
Get your Service Dealer
To thoroughly scan the vehicle etc
Hopefully these warnings are not real problems
A full scan / reset at Dealer
And dealer doing Software Upgrade
Will hopefully cure these things. 🙏🏻
This first road trip is a shakedown for the vehicle
Report any issues, such as an inaccurate Fuel Gauge etc to your Service Dealer.
Hopefully they can sort out any kinks with the vehicle, straight away
Wishing u many happy and safe miles of traveling in the Grenadier
Cheers. 👍
Thanks Stephen, I really appreciate you taking the time and providing that very useful information. I didn't carry and OBD scan tool but will take up your suggestion. And the fuel consumption did improv over the trip. Certainly will be passing on any issues to the Ineos agent. Cheers, John
How about one video with an overview of all the good and bad pints. 👍
Right on, that's the plan for a vid at the end of the trip with a summary of the good and the bad including an inspection and service by the agent. Im keeping a list!!!
Thanks for the suggestion I appreciate it, John
That went quick. Feels like you just left.
Yeah, seemed quick to me too. Had to get back, the rest of the family want a trip in the Grenadier a well !! Cheers John
Re the light fault. Its probably the Canbus sydtem detecting a non led globe in the trailer lights not 100%
Thanks Frank, appreciate the advice, John
Good to see it runs smoothly. Fuel consumption appears high especially for hwy driving. Perhaps that fuel gauge may self calibrate but it's certainly something that needs sorting. How do you find the stock suspension is coping with the trailer?
Looking forward to the next vid.
Thanks for sharing
Hi Michael, yes fuel pretty high but neither the Grenny, the stuff strapped on the roof or my trailer could be considered aerodynamic !!! However it did improve.
the suspension was fine, no probs with the trailer and soaked up the corrugation and bull dust pits really well. Thanks for your interest, John
19L /100km my word! Expected a new vehicle like this to be way more efficient!
I guess it's not exactly an aerodynamic masterpiece and dragging a load goes some way to excusing it. Also did improve as the engine got a few more kilometres on it. Thanks for your comment, John
@cannyoutdoors thanks John. Yup. I tow a ton of trailer similar to yours but in South Africa and get around 12/13 L per 100km on a Ranger 2.2 4x4.
That's interesting, really good economy. Proves maybe bigger (engine) is not necessarily better. Lot in common in the overloading and 4x4 world with Australia and South Africa. I appreciate you watching and taking the time too comment.John
John better than the old ute??? so far
Hi Lucy, you bet!John
Making a fire in those dry conditions. Careful mate. Fuel consumption seems high.
Hi Mark, Yes I am pretty careful with the fires (30 years in the fire brigade) as you say very dry. The fuel consumption did come down a bit as we went on. Thanks for commenting, John
Hi how many KM per tank ?
About 490 over the trip. Cheers, John
What's the service network like for these? When you travel around Australia,does ineos allow mechanics to access their repair manuals and specifications/parts etc
Really good question! Ineos are providing a roadside service (through Alliance in Australia) This is supposedly available anywhere but fortunately I haven't needed to test it. My agent made sure I had the 1800 number to call if needed but also said to contact them if I had any trouble. In regard to the manuals....gee I would love to have access to them!!! Thanks for your interest, John
@cannyoutdoors it would be something I would be sussing out before going on any huge trip for peace of mind,I never heard of alliance before maybe that's an east coast thing. Atleast if you know where to access parts and repair manuals you can use that information when you need a repair or parts in the middle of nowhere
Aaaah Sorry... self correcting text. Allianz as in the insurance company. They probably rely on the local Auto clubs.. who knows? Cheers John
In the states 120kph is the slow lane w a trailer.
Yes we are a bit of a Nanny country here! thanks for watching, John
Great vid - and great outcome. As I said great van but vehicle is something I coins not buy with confidence- a bit like owning that iconic vintage and taking on a long drive you fantasise about but know deep down it may not end how you want it to.
Thanks Tony, yes always bit of a risk, but I am enjoying it so far and living in the moment. I appreciate your comment and thanks for watching, John
Fuel consumption is diabolical also it’s not a plus saying you have done 500K without a problem, I have done 150,000 K in my Mitsubishi L200 without a problem or any warning lights to be fair, glad I cancelled mine and went for the V6 Ranger platinum at a fraction of the cost and tax advantages
I have had a number of Mitsubishis in my time, early Triton, Challenger, and the current model Trident. Al great trouble free cars.I would recommend them to anybody...and well priced. Before this vehicle I had a Ranger Wildtrak, also a great car (5cyl 3.2). Fuel consumption when loaded was up there with the Grenadier and I had numerous minor problems with electronics, still I really enjoyed that car and it never actually let me down. I very seriously considered the new Everest Platinum. Like the new Ranger looks to be a fantastic vehicle and I am sure you will enjoy your Ranger. Thanks for your comment, John
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Yahooo!!! well done! you won't regret it, this vehicle is so much fun. What colour???
John
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Beautiful colour . Look forward to seeing you on the road soon. John
@@cannyoutdoors quick question, how’s the air con keeping up when you’re in hot areas?
I think the hottest day was about 36'C and air con was fine. Didn't really need to take much notice of it it just did its job.
Is this petrol ?
Diesel
@@StephenFogarty2023 I've not found this engine/transmission combo in the X5 to be good on fuel consumption as a daily driver .
That's interesting, good to hear another angle. There are a lot of BMWisms about the Grenadier...I have a 220. Thanks for your comment, John
Yep!
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Thank you, Cheers John
no fuel miser, that's abt 235 dollars diesel for 400km
so drive all day see some gums, find a shingly camp, that is Au fer ya, give me Canada, Europe where the scenery is varying and interesting,
yeh na yeh Maate
5.8 tons, brick shape with roof loaded. Show me a vehicle that would use less, you can't.
@@einfelder8262 The Isuzu NPS 300 4x4, 15.0L/100km and will carry twice as much.
Yep couldn't, argue with that...Suzis are good stuff. Thanks for your comment, John
Agreed, however it did improve a bit over the trip. Thanks for your interest, John
Agreed, however it did improve a bit over the trip. Thanks for your interest, John
I guess it is better than New Defender. Ummm some but some electronics gremlin is similar to old Puma or TD-5 Or new Defender....!
Yes I reckon it's better than the old defender, but you can't ignore its Defender genesis. Certainly a more suitable vehicle for getting off the beaten track than the new Defender in my opinion and I am not a big fan of all the electronics that come with the new cars (even my wife's Subaru drive me nuts at times). Although I do still secretly admire the new Defender. Thanks for you comment, John
Had a $400 000 Range Rover Autobiography nothing but problems. Now have a $200 000 Lexus lx I have done the almost identical 5000 klm and not one problem . I see you have had a few Gremlins already ! I hope it is not a sign of things to come .
Lexus is a great car and with a few more development years under its belt. Hoping (and expecting) these gremlins will be sorted. Thanks for your interest and commenting, John
Fuel consumption is insane.
Yes, It did improve over the trip.. thankfully. Cheers John
All things considered that fuel economy is not great.
I use to own an old school 4.2L Patrol loaded and towing returned around 14.5L/100.
That's really good. The consumption did improve as you will see. There are so many variables terrain and particularly speed. Thanks for your interest, John
And still we don’t see how well a Grenadier actually carries weight- and performs. Put something like 750kg in the actual vehicle itself. That’s a real world test that for some strange reason has never been done. As ASPW has so eloquently put it- nowhere… NOWHERE… in the Grenadier marketing parade… do we actually see the Grenadier carrying a full load. That’s what I want to see and hear about.
Yes good point, I estimate my load about 550kg in the car (with towball) plus 80kg for Trialmaster spec (re R. Pepper) plus bull bar and winch probably getting up there. Thanks for your comment.
The fuel consumption is well under 15mpg Imperial which is poor by modern standards for towing 2.5 tons on the flat at a near constant 60mph. For a diesel. My old Land Cruiser 100 with its 4.2 200hp engine and four speed automatic would better that by about 3 to 4mpg. With this consumption and the distance between fuel stations the practical range comes down to 250 miles or less, with a theoretical maximum of just less than 300 miles. It needs a bigger fuel tank.
However, that is only one small aspect of running such a vehicle combination and some of the others are surely very much advanced, such as the responsiveness of the eight speed ZF.
Agreed , however they did improve a bit and the first few hundred kilometres were on some pretty hilly terrain. Speed also made a big difference I was probably travelling around 68 MPH dropping down to 60 made a difference. Fuel tank size is definitely a negative. I carried 4 jerry cans and had to use 2 (about 10.5 gallons) to get between fuel stops. the engine and gearbox combination fell great. Thanks for your interest and commenting, John
@cannyoutdoors It is obvious that retrofit long range tanks will emerge to solve the tank capacity issue. Looking forward to the next chapter. Hoping Grenadier endures, so your tales will become legendary as the first real-world expedition report !
@@philhealey4443 There’s very little room for a bigger tank underneath and no room for an extra tank. The spare wheel is already externally located, so a tank cannot take its place underneath.
Thanks Phil, much appreciated.John
Yep it will be a challenge to get an extra tank in, that's for sure.
I work in the auction industry been 37 years. The greatest disappointment in european and british cars is the electrics. Lots of dramas. Incertainly hope you wont experience more than you have eg fuel guage and sensors but its a let down across the board
Yes I hope so, I think these thing will be sorted..it seems they got all the best and proven components to build the car but this bit is new and takes a bit of sorting out. Thanks for your comment, John
Tiring of the paid marketing blitz for this vehicle, the billionaire owner pushed too hard, oh well.
I agree... nobody pays me anything anytime!!!. Thanks for watching, John
Time to change oil
Ineos. The car maker owned by uk billionire Jim Ratcliffe, who supports Brexit and who swore this car would be built in England. It’s built in a former mec-benz factory by French workers… in France! It’s now Portuguese, German, French and who inows what else. Losses of £250M declared and a total write off of around £650M expected. If JLR cannot produce the Defender, Ineos cannot produce the Grenadier.
Thanks for your comment, I guess we are all waiting to see. Hopefully the Grenadier succeeds. John
Long term will only show how reliable these are. Still to many electronics to go wrong. There why Toyota keep it simple.
I would not consider a LC 300 simple.
@@frankguernier2280 Exactly. They are also destroying #5 & 6 cylinders due to heat, but no Toyota fanboi will ever believe anything bad about Toyota.
Yeah maybe 20yrs ago, but no car is simple any more due to customers and regulations.
Toyota had had a class action against it over dpf.
@@Robert-cu9bm Don't forget the fabulous Toyota dusting airboxes, the 4 cyl injector failures, the 4 cyl piston burnouts, etc, etc.
@@einfelder8262
Oh yes, so simple they don't seal.
19L/100km! crazy, my 290 000km Disco 3 does 10L, pulls like a train at 120kmh idling along. Wrong engine for its purpose.
There’s NO way your Disco would get
10 litres / 100 kms
Whilst towing approx
2.1 t
Johns Grenadier, has the BMW 3 litre straight six diesel motor
This is an excellent motor.
John’s vehicle is brand new
Engine yet to loosen up
I’d expect fuel consumption to get better
But
The Grenadier is not aerodynamic, & he has stuff up on the roof
In this video
GCM is 5.28 t
Vehicle is just over 3 t
Towing just over 2 t
Great vehicle the D3. Wow 10L! gee my ford ranger was doing about19 with the same load. I pulled a load up from Melbourne a couple of years ago on current model Nissan Pathfinder and got 23.(yep it was a pretty heavy load about 2.5t and the pathfinders aren't exactly a good tow vehicle). Hang on to that Disco. Cheers John
Your steering wheel is too high...it's a great way to get tired while driving real fast. Try having you wrists lower than you shoulders. If the Ineos allows this, does it still give you plenty of room to exit and enter the vehicle with your legs? If not then it's designed poorly. So I think I disagree with your driving position assessment there. From my point of view here in TV land it seems those A pillars are too large reducing visibility. 5.28 tonnes, too heavy, they should be trying to make the car lighter for sand work.
Thank you for that suggestion , I think you are right on the mark. I did notice particularly my left hand suffering a little after long periods of driving. I will lower it today (yes it is adjustable). The pillars are big but I didn't find it too bad but it is hard to see much out the back, that's for sure.Cheers, John
@@cannyoutdoors if you want any validation of what I'm saying, look at the way people drive when you're sitting in the passenger seat, once they've been in the car for probably half an hour or more, have a look at the way they get comfortable. Their hands dropped down and they hold the steering wheel with their hands near their knees near their legs, this is because our hands were made to be by our sides and the blood and veins system all works with our hands lower. Now claerly, you do need your hands up higher if you want to steer quickly, and with the most amount of turn for the least amount of energy, so you'll bring your hands up to do that. Have a look at my drivers when you're sitting at the lights next to you. Their hands will be much higher than their shoulders and the top of the steering wheel higher again. This just crazy. You don't want to drive like that, lower the steering wheel, make yourself comfortable. I've read heaps of books on four-wheel driving and done advanced driving courses and read all the books and as an archaeologist/geologist I've done heaps of driving all over Australia. You look at the car racing drivers, their steering wheels aren't that high and they keep their hands low at the three position. It's all about what you can do over a long drive to keep yourself less tired and refreshed.
Really good information thank you, I will take it on board for sure, John
@@cannyoutdoors just for your information I've been following this guy for a long time. He's a well-known well seasoned four-wheel-drive, and you might be interested in his opinion. ruclips.net/video/xxM5I_OmnmQ/видео.html
Yep know him well, one of the best in the business, thanks John
Fuel consumption. Way too much.
It's about right for travelling at that speed with a caravan.
@@MrDanjacs i saw later in get was doing 105 maybe upto 110 i suppose.
Rubbish. He's 5.8 tons all up, doesn't matter what your tow vehicle is it will use the same fuel to move that weight.
@@einfelder8262
Doesn't work that way.
There's a minimum amount of energy needed, but 19l per 100km seems excessive for a modern car.
@@Robert-cu9bm It does work that way. Name one vehicle with the frontal area and weight of the Grenadier, running AT tyres and towing all up weight 5.8T. You can't.
New land cruiser will put the grenadier to bed.
Sounds like the new Land Cruise/Prado will be a nice machine. Perhaps bedmates!!! Thanks for watching, John
There is one big issue with the Grenadier....It's not a Land Cruiser...
I guess we choose what we think best suits our individual needs and likes. Thanks for making you comment and watching the video.
@@cannyoutdoors No worries mate... You know how we say that in England, if you break down overlanding, you call an Uber and a recovery...
In Aussie, you die....
Great comment!!! and likely true. Thanks again. John
Land Cruiser fanboys are just the worst people.
3,100 miles is a great durability test. I am in the US and looking forward to my Grenadier delivery next year.
You and other global market buyers are de-bugging the Grenadier for American reservation holders. Thank you!
Glad to be of service !!! Great to help our friends in the US.. of which I have many.
Visited many times. I am sure you will enjoy it when it arrives. Thank you for watching and taking the time to comment.John
wouldnt touch one with a barge pole, unproven here in australia as yet. give them 10 years or so, then maybe.
The voice of reason. Let the faults be found and rectified. Let them have a track record, then see.
Guess I'll be the bunny that gives them a go.Yet you are not necessarily unwise to wait and see...this would apply to most new vehicles. Thanks for your interest, keep watching you might change your mind....or not. Cheers John
I'll try and find them for you! Thank for watching, John