F8 undoubtedly learned the hard way and is now aware of the rule. Hopefully he now knows to be a little more proactive in avoiding the wall when possible. Four complete strides after catching the ball surely was plenty of time and distance to avoid the theatrics of jumping onto the wall. 🤨
Why would it be a home run? Isn't that rule where a ball must travel over the fence "in flight"? In this case, it's carried several yards. So, not a catch due to not all of the pieces of the "catch" equation met. But why not a ground rule double?
There is an exception to the definition of inflight that specifically states a fielder touching the ball is really the only time it does not lose the inflight status.
What if the batter/runner is fooled with that second play and abandons his basepath? Do the umpires rule that the act of deception created an unfair advantage and therefore he can return to his HR trot?
In NFHS rules, he hasn't abandoned the base path until he exits the field. Since there is no tag attempt, he wouldn't be considered leaving his path to avoid a tag.
I have seen a video of NCAA game (not sure how long ago but was Oklahoma @Kansas) where outfielder fooled the batter. After touching first, he headed toward 3rd base dugout and was near the mound when he realized it was indeed a homerun. Then, umpire called him out for abandonment. This batter may have been lucky to be heading toward 1st base dugout.
@@MwD676 one not always discussed aspect of that NCAA call was that the team on offense was up by something like 19-1 in the late innings, and the defense may have had a non-pitcher pitching as well. the umpires needed outs any way they could get them. it's fairly debatable whether that would've been called abandonment under ordinary circumstances.
The runners should treat it as a live ball until the umpires call the out in both of these situations. They may not be out by abandonment (unless they actually made it to the dugout), but they could be called out if they could pass a preceding runner in some circumstances. If it was caught, they lose nothing by assuming the ball is still live.
Rule 2-9-1 includes this: “A fielder, at full speed, who catches a ball and whose initial momentum carries the fielder several more yards after which the ball drops from the fielder’s glove has not made a catch.”
@judeonethree beat me. “ ART. 1 ... A catch is the act of a fielder in getting secure possession in the hand or glove of a live ball in flight and firmly holding it, provided the fielder does not use the cap, protector, mask, pocket or other part of the uniform to trap the ball. The catch of a fly ball by a fielder is not completed until the continuing action of the catch is completed. A fielder who catches a ball and then runs into a wall or another player and drops the ball has not made a catch. A fielder, at full speed, who catches a ball and whose initial momentum carries the fielder several more yards after which the ball drops from the fielder's glove has not made a catch.”
F8 undoubtedly learned the hard way and is now aware of the rule. Hopefully he now knows to be a little more proactive in avoiding the wall when possible. Four complete strides after catching the ball surely was plenty of time and distance to avoid the theatrics of jumping onto the wall. 🤨
Why would it be a home run? Isn't that rule where a ball must travel over the fence "in flight"? In this case, it's carried several yards. So, not a catch due to not all of the pieces of the "catch" equation met. But why not a ground rule double?
There is an exception to the definition of inflight that specifically states a fielder touching the ball is really the only time it does not lose the inflight status.
What if the batter/runner is fooled with that second play and abandons his basepath? Do the umpires rule that the act of deception created an unfair advantage and therefore he can return to his HR trot?
In NFHS rules, he hasn't abandoned the base path until he exits the field. Since there is no tag attempt, he wouldn't be considered leaving his path to avoid a tag.
I have seen a video of NCAA game (not sure how long ago but was Oklahoma @Kansas) where outfielder fooled the batter. After touching first, he headed toward 3rd base dugout and was near the mound when he realized it was indeed a homerun. Then, umpire called him out for abandonment.
This batter may have been lucky to be heading toward 1st base dugout.
@@MwD676 one not always discussed aspect of that NCAA call was that the team on offense was up by something like 19-1 in the late innings, and the defense may have had a non-pitcher pitching as well. the umpires needed outs any way they could get them. it's fairly debatable whether that would've been called abandonment under ordinary circumstances.
The runners should treat it as a live ball until the umpires call the out in both of these situations. They may not be out by abandonment (unless they actually made it to the dugout), but they could be called out if they could pass a preceding runner in some circumstances. If it was caught, they lose nothing by assuming the ball is still live.
Is there a rule reference for the momentum aspect of the rule?
Rule 2-9-1 includes this: “A fielder, at full speed, who catches a ball and whose initial momentum carries the fielder several more yards after which the ball drops from the fielder’s glove has not made a catch.”
@judeonethree beat me. “
ART. 1 ... A catch is the act of a fielder in getting secure possession in the hand or glove of a live ball in flight and firmly holding it, provided the fielder does not use the cap, protector, mask, pocket or other part of the uniform to trap the ball. The catch of a fly ball by a fielder is not completed until the continuing action of the catch is completed. A fielder who catches a ball and then runs into a wall or another player and drops the ball has not made a catch. A fielder, at full speed, who catches a ball and whose initial momentum carries the fielder several more yards after which the ball drops from the fielder's glove has not made a catch.”
@@JudeOneThree Thanks,
Totally stupid call. Obviously a catch. Someone is just being a dick if they denied this catch. If he dropped the ball I did not see it.
no catch. he does not establish a voluntary release
Agreed! Although, ending momentum of the catch would establish a catch without voluntary release. But he has to survive the wall which he fails to do.