I remember my old roommate back in 1987-89 was working at Jackson Charvel and I remember him clearly telling me that Erik and Joey had to be taught the solos. Reminds me of "The Wrecking Crew"
Considering mikes status at the time , it makes sense.Doesn’t makes them any less as players , songwriters or band. This is how the industry works. It’s the music and songs producer made business decision for the good of the band.
Warrant was an excellent band it was 95% Janie Lane and the backup guys I always thought it was a joke ? That they toured without him I understand he was messed up but he was the whole band he wrote everything..
Right on, Jani made that band he was the talent. The fact that they went on without him is rediculous regardless of his state at the time. If he was that bad off they should've just hung it up rather than go on without him. Probably had a lot to do with his early departure given the depression it must've caused
I always wondered how Jani Lane wrote the songs - i.e. - what his process was. Was he a reasonably good guitarist? Some of the ballads were probably written on piano. His says in an interview that he went home and wrote Cherry Pie quickly. I wonder how developed the songs were when he brought them in to the band and the label.
@@bobbab5759 Jani definitely did play guitar, and his brother was a fantastic guitarist too. In fact, his brother played the acoustic solo at the beginning of "Uncle Tom's Cabin."
Damn, I haven't thought about STREETS in ages. Their first two albums both made my "Lawn Mowing Mix" to help me power through yard work in 90 degree heat and 90 percent humidity back in the midwest of the mid-1980s.
I met and worked with Beau Hill as a bass player singer /songwriter at Applewwood Recording Studio in Lakewood Colorado in early 1980's. One of the best experiences I had as a young musician. I'll never forget the time and what I learned from him never stopped helping me all the years since. Thanks Bunky,,,"The 508B Battteries not Included",,,,,,
This was a lot more common than we like to think. I can think of a couple of REALLY big bands where the guitarists magically managed to pull off something in the studio that they haven't been even remotely close to doing on demos or live.
@@MrClassicmetal I actually wouldn't be too sure about Whitesnake. Considering that the band was a revolving door of musicians for a while, who knows who played what where? Of the bigger names I'd say that Guns N' Roses is the prime suspect. I have never heard Slash play anything remotely close to the Paradise City solo (and to a lesser extent Sweet Child o' Mine) on any demos or live clips (at least not with the band's original run), nor is there anything quite as challenging on the following records.
@@kospandx It's well known it wasn't Joe Perry on Get Your Wings, but I strongly suspect that's not him on Toys, either. The "Walk This Way" solos are slick and he sounds like his hand is caught in a Pringle's can on them live to this day.
The label puts up the money for the band. The label tells them what to do. Look at Sean "Puff Daddy" Combs. The list of disgruntled acts is long. The group TLC got paid pennies for their big albums. Grand Funk Railroad never made any money from their songs.
That's definitely a true point but doesn't really fit with warrant. Jani did the majority of the writing and the guitarists simply weren't good enough at the time. D.R.F.S.R. Is a much better album because of Beau's decision, and it absolutely did help them take off.
Saw a video of a Warrant live show from before they got signed and Beau Hill definitely made the right decision. Their playing was really not the best when it came to guitar solos. I'm sure they weren't too happy at the time, but to their credit, both Erik and Joey worked really hard and became better players as a result of the experience.
I agree, I saw them at their peak when I was 16 in 1991. They were good. I didn't know this story until I was in my late 30s, and it always bummed me out. I love the outro solo for "Big Talk," and knowing it's not Erik Turner playing it makes me think differently about their legacy. I understand why Duff and Slash were always critical of Warrant back in the late 80s and early 90s.
Really? Why don't you just be honest. They sold their souls. This isn't Warrent. It's Jani Lane singing with a session guitarist. If you have to sell out to be famous, forget it.
@@fivestring65ify It's insanely hard to get that kind of label support and attention. And it isn't like Erik and Joey wrote the songs. So what they did was very smart and mature and business-minded.
@Jimmy Lewis Horseshit. This happens WAY more than you think it does. Studio time is expensive and on a tight timeline, especially with a name producer at the helm. They weren't cutting it on the solos so he got someone in to nail it and they could get it together for the tour.
No one mistook Warrant for a guitar hero band. No one compared their guitarists against Eddie or Warren. If you don’t have a guitar hero in your band, why would you try to produce a guitar hero album? And if a label wants a guitar hero band, why sign Warrant?
Good point. Warrant excelled at songwriting, storytelling, and melodic lines. They aren't a shredder band. Warrant excelled at connecting with the audience with really well written melodic songs.
@@sodica81 Jani was a songwriter. He could have been as successful or moreso in other music genres (like an Elton John). I don’t think shredders were necessary for his music; the label and producer made that call.
Interesting point. Yeah, Hill did love quietly using Reb as well, himself a monstrous guitarist. That's interesting, bet Reb's work is on more stuff than we realize.
I Swear every single day its another awsome show and I fully dig hearing the producer engineer stories the most ... I have a bunch of people to send this video to tonight hahaha
You'd be surprised how much ghost work is on records out there. Studio time is really expensive. People get called in all the time to nail parts quickly.
This is funny 'cause, he tried this with Ratt on "DeMartini's of the world". VH1 behind the music Ratt ruled the world, or something like that. Looks like he brings this guy to all his projects
See, lol, now back in mid-late '88 as D.R.F.S.R. was coming out there was this rumor that Joey & Erik didn't play the solos. Us fans never knew what to believe on this, lol, smh. Those two guys were adamant they played EVERY guitar lick on that record. Look at Cherry Pie, C.C. (who's a really good player no matter what any of you think) played the 'Cherry Pie' solo. He's credited in the original cd booklet which I still have (and likely on the album & cassette inserts too) It's not a slam on Erik & Joey, you can hear it from Beau that the guys & the rest of the band handled it very well. I never knew Beau was married to Fiona, wow!! I guess my question would be..why were Beau & Jani and whoever else charting out solos & leads that Erik & Joey couldn't play on the debut recording? I saw them live in late '90 opening for Poison (who they blew off the stage that night) and again in summer of '91 as headliners w/Trixter & Firehouse opening and again Warrant was excellent.
Rather if they had been original and honest and not playing the same thing that the other 100 bands were doing, they could have transcended, but they decided to make Gay Metal and cheesy ballads, and fraud with the guitar players
For the most part.. session musicians were used forever because guys in bands aren't machines like the session guys.. tape and time cost money in the studio.. so the difference is that mike slamer wrote the solos.. or maybe just expanded a little more on what was more than likely already there.. Jani had the melodies and songs already written.. listen to heaven from gazzarris 1987 and you'll see a pre recording version of heaven with what were the guitar parts presumably originally since Mike wasn't brought in until the recording in 88 or 89 whenever the recording was done
Except that celebration was before the recording beau is talking about. The celebration was 1987.. correct? The guitar parts were already there just not to the level they ended up at. The melodies and basic songs were there more than likely.. a Jani doing in most cases.. look at heaven from that gazzaris performance you'll get the idea.
@@sodica81 I'm reading it now and quoting what producer Michael Wagner said back then in the liner notes: " No artist, except those listed, performed on this album in any capacity whatsoever. "
Mike Slamer is a slamming guitarist no doubt. But peeling back the layers, how is this controversy qualitatively different qualitatively than the Milli Vanilli controversy which ended their careers? They had one guy rocking out in the studio, and another guy out on tour rocking the Spandex.
It's ironic that he mentions Warren Demartini as an example of upper echelon players. I remember the drummer talking about the (very) brief period when Paul Stanley was producing an album with them when he announced his decision to hire a sessions player to play the solos on the record instead of Demartini, thereupon ending his brief tenure as producer. That story always struck me as being a very Paul Stanley type of move.
Listening to Streets now and I kind of like it. It's very Survivor-esque, from that window from 1981-83 when the rock was getting harder and more mainstream, but hadn't yet become homogenized. By 1984, Ratt, Dokken, Bon Jovi and others broke, after which all the bands seemed to have that LA look and sound.
And then Beau introduced Reb to Kip Winger and that was how we ended up with Winger though I still don’t like “Seventeen” and really have no idea how that was the biggest hit especially when there way better songs on the album including “Without the night” and “Time to surrender” I’d like to hear Beau talk about the albums he produced in 1990, I’m curious about how successful the production was of Show-Ya’s “Hard way” Beau’s produced for so many great bands.
ohhhhhh....i love "time to surrender"! did you know i read an interview with kip who said he wrote "without the night" as a copy of "miles away" (which paul taylor had already played for him; paul was still on the road with alice when winger recorded the first album) because paul obviously didn't want them to do "miles away" without him. there's a clip from a live winger show from somewhere in japan from the 90s where they play "without the night" and go straight into "miles away". anyway, those are both killer tunes!
I played that Winger Cassette in my car endlessly back then. "Without the Night" was one I would rewind at least 2 times, maybe 3 lol. Great song, great solo.
@@judaspriestchild And Kip Winger has a piss poor defense for “Seventeen” as well, okay Mr. I-never-had-intercourse-with-a-17yo-after-I-turned-21… why the fuck would you write about it in the first place if it didn’t happen?! Wow, Winger are seriously a discount Ratt, dunno how I hadn’t come to it before, but yeah.
90% of all music ever created has a Studio Guitarist writing and playing parts on it. If you really want to shocker, look at a guitarist name Tim Pierce’s catalog of work, with the albums and songs he has not only played on, but written parts for. Pretty much every other song from the 80s until now. Pretty amazing, but it goes to show you that not every member in every band when they get a contract is essentially up to snuff to take on the workload of both studio and stage. Many of them end up taking guitar lessons during the process like this video states. Same thing goes with singers and any other instrument. Record companies want to make sure that your live shows sell your albums and that you have enough longevity to at least last one tour, if not two or three.
Tim Pierce is a MONSTER guitar player, and has been one of my heroes since Bon Jovi's "Runaway" and he did all of Rick Springfield's cool guitar parts as well!
Tell that to Van Halen, Motley Crue, Ratt, Dokken, Judas Priest, Scorpions, Skid Row, Queensryche, Dio, Quiet Riot, Wasp, Def Leppard, Led Zepplin, Black Sabbath, Metallica, Iron Maiden, Twisted Sister, Megadeth, Poison, Whitesnake, Bon Jovi......the list is endless.....and proves you are very incorrect.
That's great. Now with the advent of the internet, the guitarists of Warrant are sure to recover from such an unfortunate incident in their professional lives, whereas the trade secrets of the 80's have been kept very well close to the chest of all the participants involved. I bet those poor fella's would be kind of upset having all of the public who might be interested made aware of such an embarrassing event like having to have a more competent player come in and record their parts on album. I saw WARRANT live, the proof was in the pudding. They can play their own shit. The 80's glam rock scene was a trip.
@@fivestring65ify idk...I went back n watched the warrant live on MTV...the one thing that sounded waaaaay behind everything else was the guitar solo... Very weak... Very blah... I guess that's the only thing tht had them still the bars in Hollywood ... And signed later...they had everything...but a true lead player in the beginning.
Red Beach is even credited in the liner notes for the Twisted Sister album. They didn't try to hide that. Weird that Hill wouldn't even remember who he hired.
That is different. Love is for Suckers was supposed to be a Dee Snider solo album, but the record label decided that they would only release it under the TS name.
Reb Beach worked vigorously on Twisted Sister's Love is for Suckers. Why was Jay Jay Fench absent? Was French injured, or was he having some physical issues?
They were there, but not good enough for that kind of guitar solos. Just like Warrant, they needed a guitar hero to be in competition with all the bands out there.
Once again this interviewer always let's the ones SPEAK...he always says..."no go ahead"... This guys great!!! Hopefully we'll find out your name 😁😁😁then again keep it mystique like kiss did 💥💥keep on full in Bloom guy 👍👍
Hill's position was loopy. The two biggest selling hair metal bands of that era had two average, non-technical, non-shredding lead guitar players: Mars and DeVille. Nobody but the amateur lead guitarists ever said, "Hey, that song is hooky as hell. But the lead guitarist's sweep picking isn't fast enough. I'm not buying the single." lol
Really depends on the producer and how much you care about your music. Hill sounds a bit controlling, but this was the tail end of 80s guitar oriented music and production and song technicality was everything to those "polished" hairbands. Mars was a great guitar player and shredder btw, though DeVille... pretty much wished he never soloed at all.
It's not about a players technical ability per se. You mention Mars and Deville. Listen to their playing. Especially Mars. It's all clean, in time, and well executed. Mick Mars was one of the best studio players in that genre back then. If the guys in Warrant were having trouble playing correctly, the studio isn't the time to get your chops up.
CC was actually good - better than Mars, listen to his solo on Nothing but a good time. But yah I agree with you in spirit though - a guitar hero for Warrant was not necessary
Joey has since come out and suggested that he & Erik Turner did actually contribute quite a few leads. Not sure I believe that, consider what Beau and the session guy, Mike Slamer, have already gone on record as saying.
Dumb idea....should have worked with who was actually in the band. Turner and Allen played the shit fine in concert. This isn't too far removed from Milli Vanilli in retrospect.
But the fellers in Milli Vanilli didn’t sing live OR in the studio? And while Joey and Eric didn't write or record the solos, they played them note for note perfectly live. Poor comparison. [EDIT: wanted to emphasize the facts between this and the Milli Vanilli controversy]
Erik and Joey are great guitarists. I’ve never listened to an album and said damn I wish the solo was more technical- I love rough real solos- ace frehley style- deville etc
Joey Allen did a recent interview and went over every song on DRFSR and Cherry Pie telling exactly who played what on each abd every track. Mike Slamer did alot of solos but not all of them.
@@ce152capt100 Erik and Joey did all the rythym tracks. Erik contributed to a couple solos. Joey did several solos and co-wrote a few as well. For example So Damn Pretty solo was co-written by Erik, Joey and Mike Slamer. Joey did several though.
He's referring to the Mr. Shred podcast Joey was on. I, too, thought Slamer did all the solos, but I'm glad Joey cleared all that up and broke down each song.
CC Deville played the cherry pie solo - although that was less of a secret. I heard that Aerosmith’s train kept a rollin’ solo was outsourced too! Desmond child stated that. I’m sure joey and Erik hated it - who wouldn’t! But if they quit the band they knew that was the end of the music and the touring/partying etc! Mature decision
I am pretty sure that Jeff Beck was on Train kept rolling. Perry is an excellent guitarist but lacks on the technical side of things. He just isn't that kind of player and Aerosmith was never that kind of band.
@@stevenlindsey2056 DIck Wagner & Steve Hunter that played the guitars on Train Kept. A Rollin. They both worked with Lou Reed and Alice Cooper among others as well.
OMG I knew all about that and have been telling my friends for years about that and nobody believed me lolol I couldve sworn they brought in a drummer on a coupla songs too !!!
This is really infamous. And it wasn't the only case unfortunately back in the day. I don't care if the original members can't play like Eddie Van Halen, you just cant tell to the original guitarists that someone else will play your parts.. it's just humiliating. Period.
Happens more than you think. There are ghost sharpshooters all over records, has been since forever. Studios cost lots of money and sometimes session players get brought in to nail the parts quickly. Right or wrong, it happens.
@@ferox965 I know. My father worked in a famous studio during the middle 80's and part of the 90's and I can give you a couple of juicy "famous" names behind (other) famous bands LOL Some of them couldn't replicate their own songs live anyway. It's even worse with Pop artists. Most of them are simply puppets of producers & labels. Fortunately some exceptions like Lady Gaga, Adele or Amy Winehouse changed the game since more than a decade and publicly demanded that "artists" sing back again FOR REAL. (This was obviously due to all those Britney Spears, boy bands and too much lip syncing) it helped. There's more scrutiny now from people when they go to a show. Even that, bands like Kiss or Def Leppard are insanely FULL of pre recorded tracks on their shows and since Pro tools era it's almost IMPOSSIBLE not to sound "good" on studio.
@@endtyme1345 Pro Tools...ugh. Thankfully, my singer refuses to use it. Her words, "If I need that shit, then we aren't ready to record." Best diva moment ever haha. Cheers and all the best from Canada.
Well, when the label is forking over a million dollars for the production of a record... taking these measures does make sense, however unfortunate. And someone like Mike Slamer doesn't just "play your parts" for you- he writes them.
sell your soul, your dignity and always be remembered as the lead guitarist who never played solos on his albums, wow, be remembered as useless, a fraud
Bob Rock should have done that with Kirk in the black album days... It's painful to watch the video that he's trying to help Kirk to create the solo for The Unforgiven. 😅😅
I love this fuking channel so much. I remember all this problem era with Warrant's guitar playing. Beau you were always a genius. My big question and i dont mean to seem stupid is this Fiona is that Fiona Apple by chance???
You wonder why some of these bands weren't bigger than they should have been.... this is why. I think warrant figured it out, but it was too late by that time and jani was having his problems.
I really don't have a problem with this. So many people saying this is humiliating or makes them posers or whatever, but like, they took lessons from the guy and were able to play that stuff live on tour, so what's the problem? They didn't write the solos, fine, but producers and ghost writers intervene in the songwriting and arranging process all the time. A guitar solo is not even that important. Sounds like they just took it as constructive criticism and improved their playing and were actually able to bring it live as a result. Everything worked out and props to Erik and Joey for that.
@@fivestring65ify if you have a problem with this but don't have a problem with every time Desmond Child shows up in the writing credits on a 80s rock album, you're a hypocrite
This is kinda murky... Of course Slamer is a total stud, but being much older, was much more experienced than much younger Eric and Joey. It doesn't mean Eric and Joey couldn't have crafted memorable solos or didn't have contributions to make, but the experience of Mike certainly was undeniable. Nothing wrong with being mentored by more experienced musicians. Randy Rhoads still took classical lessons himself. Many big name singers still take vocal lessons. Nothing wrong with being mentored by more experienced musicians. If you watch the early club videos of Warrant on YT before the studio sessions, they can clearly play, but melodic lines are truly an art. You can be a killer shredder and suck on melody. I think this whole aspect is very misrepresented like they couldn't play, total nonsense. Slamer is a guitar god for sure because of his melody, but Eric and Joey have their own talents and contributions as well.
Exactly and Mike taught them how to play the solos for when they started touring so yea since they were taught them they are good players especially Joey.
I'm a guitarist friend and they never learned, they are terrible guitarists, live in those years the solos sounded really bad, totally amateur, and there is a recent video of the two of them playing Uncles Tom... on acoustic and I swear you ,they are so useless that they don't even made the arrangements so that it would sound good on acoustic guitars, they played the same notes as on the electric ones, this pair doesn't know anything about musical theory
Honestly wgaf if they did not play like EVH? This thing to let other play was utter stoopid if you ask me....Warrant proved to be a great band even without ppl as EVH...Lynch etc...they had songs ..great songs
They got signed because of their songwriting, which is much more important than guitar solos lol. You're telling me if you had a time machine you would let Jani Lane, one of the best singers and songwriters to come out of the 80s rock world, fade into obscurity because his guitar players couldn't shred hard enough? God I'm glad the 80s mentality is dead
@@acepaul407 ....Didn't claim to understand the music biz. But you cannot dismiss the logic of my comment. A band can't play well enough for the company's taste. But you sign them? See? It ain't rocket science.
The Milli Vanilli of guitar solo's. I remember reading about this when it happened & thought how lame. That means they were not good enough to make it.
Folks Its all about selling records. This has happened since recording started. It even happens within the band. David Gilmour recorded most of Pink Floyd bass lines, for example. I doubt Roger Waters turned down the money from the sales or even cared for that matter . Tim Pierce, Steve Lukather, Dann Huff, and so many other unsung studio greats are all over that 80s stuff. Many of the real band members can't play worth a damn, compared to session players. Most of those late 80s bands sucked live as well, or they were so loud you couldn't tell. Many were too drunk to remember the lines of their songs. I digress... Nashville is all about this. Studio time is expensive. You need folks who can lay down the tracks in time, especially in the days before digital recording.
Jesus that must be the most embarrassing thing in the worldto be told that you and your buddy aint good enough to play your instrument on your own record.. but the truth hurts...
That's the question no one wants to ask. And it's a very good question. If you aren't playing on the record, are you really even a band? The answer is no.
They were lucky to get Mike Slamer, he rocks!!
Music fans would be shocked at how many classic songs feature uncredited studio musicians.
youre right..very good point.
Yep. Sometimes, even amongst band members.
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yeah but warrant was a fraud
Im a gigging bassist 20+ years and the solo on "Sometimes She Cries" is absolutely brilliant.
I remember my old roommate back in 1987-89 was working at Jackson Charvel and I remember him clearly telling me that Erik and Joey had to be taught the solos. Reminds me of "The Wrecking Crew"
Considering mikes status at the time , it makes sense.Doesn’t makes them any less as players , songwriters or band. This is how the industry works. It’s the music and songs producer made business decision for the good of the band.
Warrant was an excellent band it was 95% Janie Lane and the backup guys I always thought it was a joke ? That they toured without him I understand he was messed up but he was the whole band he wrote everything..
Right on, Jani made that band he was the talent. The fact that they went on without him is rediculous regardless of his state at the time. If he was that bad off they should've just hung it up rather than go on without him. Probably had a lot to do with his early departure given the depression it must've caused
I always wondered how Jani Lane wrote the songs - i.e. - what his process was. Was he a reasonably good guitarist? Some of the ballads were probably written on piano. His says in an interview that he went home and wrote Cherry Pie quickly. I wonder how developed the songs were when he brought them in to the band and the label.
@@bobbab5759 Jani definitely did play guitar, and his brother was a fantastic guitarist too. In fact, his brother played the acoustic solo at the beginning of "Uncle Tom's Cabin."
@@WolfHeavyMetalI didn't know that, about his brother, I mean. That explains the Lane surname in the album's liner notes.
No, they weren't an excellent band if the guitarists were frauds.
Damn, I haven't thought about STREETS in ages. Their first two albums both made my "Lawn Mowing Mix" to help me power through yard work in 90 degree heat and 90 percent humidity back in the midwest of the mid-1980s.
I met and worked with Beau Hill as a bass player singer /songwriter at Applewwood Recording Studio in Lakewood Colorado in early 1980's. One of the best experiences I had as a young musician. I'll never forget the time and what I learned from him never stopped helping me all the years since. Thanks Bunky,,,"The 508B Battteries not Included",,,,,,
Nothing will ever beat the 80's LA Sunset Strip !
I was there. I saw poison, Ratt and Warrant with their original guitarist named Josh
@@djranman Lucky you, what a magic time with no mobiles !
@@anthonylynch4737 I completely agree
Yeah all the debauchery, hedonism, drugs, crime….nothing beats it.🙄
@@LOD365 Hey Man it was the 80"a before cell.phones...
This was a lot more common than we like to think. I can think of a couple of REALLY big bands where the guitarists magically managed to pull off something in the studio that they haven't been even remotely close to doing on demos or live.
So true. And so many NDA's signed about those sessions.
That probably doesn't include Van Halen, Whitesnake, Dio, Iron Maiden, and Rising Force...😁
@@MrClassicmetal I actually wouldn't be too sure about Whitesnake. Considering that the band was a revolving door of musicians for a while, who knows who played what where?
Of the bigger names I'd say that Guns N' Roses is the prime suspect. I have never heard Slash play anything remotely close to the Paradise City solo (and to a lesser extent Sweet Child o' Mine) on any demos or live clips (at least not with the band's original run), nor is there anything quite as challenging on the following records.
@@kospandx It's well known it wasn't Joe Perry on Get Your Wings, but I strongly suspect that's not him on Toys, either. The "Walk This Way" solos are slick and he sounds like his hand is caught in a Pringle's can on them live to this day.
@@kospandxexactly!! Slash isnt even close to being as good as everyone thinks.. medicore player
Proof that once a label signs a band, the label is in complete control of that band.
And the band gets screwed.
The label puts up the money for the band. The label tells them what to do. Look at Sean "Puff Daddy" Combs. The list of disgruntled acts is long. The group TLC got paid pennies for their big albums. Grand Funk Railroad never made any money from their songs.
That's definitely a true point but doesn't really fit with warrant. Jani did the majority of the writing and the guitarists simply weren't good enough at the time. D.R.F.S.R. Is a much better album because of Beau's decision, and it absolutely did help them take off.
How does the band get screwed when success comes because a better musician makes a better album? @@fivestring65ify
It's really cool to get an inside look at this business in this area. Cool.
Beau Hill is soooo underrated! Did great w/RATT an KIX too!
No he's not. He's a record company hack.
What about Beau Nasty?!?
@@gregpeterson994 ...and Spider!
Winger and Europe too. Great producer.
@@fivestring65ify do you like records that sound like shit or sound like they were recorded in a cavern?
Saw a video of a Warrant live show from before they got signed and Beau Hill definitely made the right decision. Their playing was really not the best when it came to guitar solos. I'm sure they weren't too happy at the time, but to their credit, both Erik and Joey worked really hard and became better players as a result of the experience.
Your spot on I actually seen them doing down boys live on mtv and it was fairly obvious when Erik played the solo it was rough but great band
I agree, I saw them at their peak when I was 16 in 1991. They were good. I didn't know this story until I was in my late 30s, and it always bummed me out. I love the outro solo for "Big Talk," and knowing it's not Erik Turner playing it makes me think differently about their legacy. I understand why Duff and Slash were always critical of Warrant back in the late 80s and early 90s.
@@aaronbayley6083 You should listen to mike slammers solo album you can hear the warrant solos all over it ...listen to "not in love"
@@eoinjames4018 Oh wow, I just did. And your'e right, I hear shades of the D.R.F.S.R. solo and a lot more. Thanks for the tip. :)
Fully agree
I love this story. Everybody checked their egos at the door and showed grace to each other. And it all worked out.
Really? Why don't you just be honest. They sold their souls. This isn't Warrent. It's Jani Lane singing with a session guitarist. If you have to sell out to be famous, forget it.
@@fivestring65ify It's insanely hard to get that kind of label support and attention. And it isn't like Erik and Joey wrote the songs. So what they did was very smart and mature and business-minded.
@@fivestring65ify wtf are you so angry about sugart*ts?
@Jimmy Lewis Horseshit. This happens WAY more than you think it does. Studio time is expensive and on a tight timeline, especially with a name producer at the helm. They weren't cutting it on the solos so he got someone in to nail it and they could get it together for the tour.
But what ego could those pair of useless guitarists have? 😂😂😂😂 the truth is they are a fraud
Wow! I had always heard this rumor. Jani was warrant! Hate that they toured without him.
It's hard to get, but I have that Streets album.
Not a bad song on it. Seriously. And the guitar work is fantastic.
And the vocals of Steve Walsh are amazing!
Slamer got the job because of his personality just as much as his skill. Let that be a lesson.
Being a professional pays off. I've done a bit of bass ghost work myself.
I remember hearing this as a "rumor" not long after the album came out.
No one mistook Warrant for a guitar hero band. No one compared their guitarists against Eddie or Warren. If you don’t have a guitar hero in your band, why would you try to produce a guitar hero album? And if a label wants a guitar hero band, why sign Warrant?
Good point. Warrant excelled at songwriting, storytelling, and melodic lines. They aren't a shredder band. Warrant excelled at connecting with the audience with really well written melodic songs.
Why Jani Lane signed them? if Jani was the writer, why allowed a mediocre guitar players in his band? that is the question
@@sodica81 Jani was a songwriter. He could have been as successful or moreso in other music genres (like an Elton John). I don’t think shredders were necessary for his music; the label and producer made that call.
Because that was how it rolled back then.
Funny to think that just a short time after this, guitar solos weren’t encouraged in rock music
Man, those are great Interviews. Unfortunately today there is almost no real journalism. Except you are the exception..
Wolfgang! Much appreciated.
@@fullinbloom Thanks but the honor is mine. I'm going through the entire catalog now..lol Well I'm hooked!
If Reb Beach did the solo on "I see red?" I wouldn't be surprised. its sooo his style and another Beau Hill associate.
Interesting point. Yeah, Hill did love quietly using Reb as well, himself a monstrous guitarist. That's interesting, bet Reb's work is on more stuff than we realize.
I Swear every single day its another awsome show and I fully dig
hearing the producer engineer stories the most ... I have a bunch of people to send this video to tonight hahaha
Mike Slamer filling in great interview interesting
If these guys couldn't cut it, someone should of realized that before they were signed, NOT as they are recording they're first album.
Total BS. I agree with you.
You need to remember this was 80s where image was EVERYTHING. Only the studio guys knew these two couldn't cut it at that point in time.
You'd be surprised how much ghost work is on records out there. Studio time is really expensive. People get called in all the time to nail parts quickly.
This is funny 'cause, he tried this with Ratt on "DeMartini's of the world". VH1 behind the music Ratt ruled the world, or something like that.
Looks like he brings this guy to all his projects
I bet he said this to all the bands.
His work on the Streets albums is amazeballs
Streets one of the greatest bands of all time...PERIOD
"Amazeballs", wow. And I thought my wife made up that word, lol.
See, lol, now back in mid-late '88 as D.R.F.S.R. was coming out there was this rumor that Joey & Erik didn't play the solos. Us fans never knew what to believe on this, lol, smh. Those two guys were adamant they played EVERY guitar lick on that record. Look at Cherry Pie, C.C. (who's a really good player no matter what any of you think) played the 'Cherry Pie' solo. He's credited in the original cd booklet which I still have (and likely on the album & cassette inserts too) It's not a slam on Erik & Joey, you can hear it from Beau that the guys & the rest of the band handled it very well. I never knew Beau was married to Fiona, wow!! I guess my question would be..why were Beau & Jani and whoever else charting out solos & leads that Erik & Joey couldn't play on the debut recording? I saw them live in late '90 opening for Poison (who they blew off the stage that night) and again in summer of '91 as headliners w/Trixter & Firehouse opening and again Warrant was excellent.
WARRANT was ultimately a sad story. If they arrived a few years earlier.
Jani had a very pretty gal by his side. Heaven - is a super fantastic song.
Rather if they had been original and honest and not playing the same thing that the other 100 bands were doing, they could have transcended, but they decided to make Gay Metal and cheesy ballads, and fraud with the guitar players
Mike Slamer--great choice for that job.
For the most part.. session musicians were used forever because guys in bands aren't machines like the session guys.. tape and time cost money in the studio.. so the difference is that mike slamer wrote the solos.. or maybe just expanded a little more on what was more than likely already there.. Jani had the melodies and songs already written.. listen to heaven from gazzarris 1987 and you'll see a pre recording version of heaven with what were the guitar parts presumably originally since Mike wasn't brought in until the recording in 88 or 89 whenever the recording was done
Exactly right.
I remember Warrant celebrating a show at Gazzarris for “breaking Van Halen’s attendance record”. This takes the air right out of that celebration.
Except that celebration was before the recording beau is talking about. The celebration was 1987.. correct? The guitar parts were already there just not to the level they ended up at. The melodies and basic songs were there more than likely.. a Jani doing in most cases.. look at heaven from that gazzaris performance you'll get the idea.
People didn’t show up for the music. They showed up for the party.
Nope. Not one bit considering the timing.
This is the reason why the message on the liner notes of "Dog Eat Dog" was printed.
there is even rumors about that record
what message?
@@sodica81 I'm reading it now and quoting what producer Michael Wagner said back then in the liner notes: " No artist, except those listed, performed on this album in any capacity whatsoever. "
@@brianbennett5479 ohhh thanks dude
I KNEW it! Wow! Its crazy what comes out as true. I saw them in 89- they were cool but I knew those dudes weren’t Steve Vai haha
He worked his magic. Amazing!
Beau is the man!
Mike Slamer is a slamming guitarist no doubt. But peeling back the layers, how is this controversy qualitatively different qualitatively than the Milli Vanilli controversy which ended their careers? They had one guy rocking out in the studio, and another guy out on tour rocking the Spandex.
It's ironic that he mentions Warren Demartini as an example of upper echelon players. I remember the drummer talking about the (very) brief period when Paul Stanley was producing an album with them when he announced his decision to hire a sessions player to play the solos on the record instead of Demartini, thereupon ending his brief tenure as producer. That story always struck me as being a very Paul Stanley type of move.
Listening to Streets now and I kind of like it. It's very Survivor-esque, from that window from 1981-83 when the rock was getting harder and more mainstream, but hadn't yet become homogenized. By 1984, Ratt, Dokken, Bon Jovi and others broke, after which all the bands seemed to have that LA look and sound.
And then Beau introduced Reb to Kip Winger and that was how we ended up with Winger though I still don’t like “Seventeen” and really have no idea how that was the biggest hit especially when there way better songs on the album including “Without the night” and “Time to surrender”
I’d like to hear Beau talk about the albums he produced in 1990, I’m curious about how successful the production was of Show-Ya’s “Hard way” Beau’s produced for so many great bands.
ohhhhhh....i love "time to surrender"! did you know i read an interview with kip who said he wrote "without the night" as a copy of "miles away" (which paul taylor had already played for him; paul was still on the road with alice when winger recorded the first album) because paul obviously didn't want them to do "miles away" without him. there's a clip from a live winger show from somewhere in japan from the 90s where they play "without the night" and go straight into "miles away". anyway, those are both killer tunes!
I played that Winger Cassette in my car endlessly back then. "Without the Night" was one I would rewind at least 2 times, maybe 3 lol. Great song, great solo.
Burnouts like fucking jailbait, thats why it was their best single.
@@judaspriestchild And Kip Winger has a piss poor defense for “Seventeen” as well, okay Mr. I-never-had-intercourse-with-a-17yo-after-I-turned-21… why the fuck would you write about it in the first place if it didn’t happen?!
Wow, Winger are seriously a discount Ratt, dunno how I hadn’t come to it before, but yeah.
@@strivingx67 Yes! Reb Beach is a phenomenal guitarist…. yet, I still prefer Robbin Crosby, Warren DeMartini and Chris Holmes to him.
Wow!
Interesting info considering the solos.
90% of all music ever created has a Studio Guitarist writing and playing parts on it. If you really want to shocker, look at a guitarist name Tim Pierce’s catalog of work, with the albums and songs he has not only played on, but written parts for. Pretty much every other song from the 80s until now. Pretty amazing, but it goes to show you that not every member in every band when they get a contract is essentially up to snuff to take on the workload of both studio and stage. Many of them end up taking guitar lessons during the process like this video states. Same thing goes with singers and any other instrument. Record companies want to make sure that your live shows sell your albums and that you have enough longevity to at least last one tour, if not two or three.
Most music is terrible. None of the bands I listened to had studio musicians replacing band members.
Tim Pierce is a MONSTER guitar player, and has been one of my heroes since Bon Jovi's "Runaway" and he did all of Rick Springfield's cool guitar parts as well!
Tell that to Van Halen, Motley Crue, Ratt, Dokken, Judas Priest, Scorpions, Skid Row, Queensryche, Dio, Quiet Riot, Wasp, Def Leppard, Led Zepplin, Black Sabbath, Metallica, Iron Maiden, Twisted Sister, Megadeth, Poison, Whitesnake, Bon Jovi......the list is endless.....and proves you are very incorrect.
@@Eddie-In-Las-VegasWell it is well known that Micky Suxxx did not play on Motley's albums, on the other bands you are right.
This Mike play solo on Uncle Tom Cabin and I Saw Red ??
I heard Warrant used pre recorded backing vocals live also . So much about this band that just doesn’t sit right .
Then you never seen warrant live. I went to 22 shows and nope Jani was a excellent singer live.
@@Bella.21622, my god😮
That's great. Now with the advent of the internet, the guitarists of Warrant are sure to recover from such an unfortunate incident in their professional lives, whereas the trade secrets of the 80's have been kept very well close to the chest of all the participants involved. I bet those poor fella's would be kind of upset having all of the public who might be interested made aware of such an embarrassing event like having to have a more competent player come in and record their parts on album. I saw WARRANT live, the proof was in the pudding. They can play their own shit. The 80's glam rock scene was a trip.
Even Pink Floyd had session guitar playing for albums.
@@hulksmash8159 I did not know that. That's wild.
@@hulksmash8159Please don't compare David Gilmour to this pair of useless guitarists 🤦🏾♂️
Joey Allen is an Amazing guitarist and great guy.
Lol 😂😂 maybe a great guy only
That’s gotta be one a the heaviest calls of the 80s ever … guys I’m gonna bring in a guy to play ur solos cause it’s just not happening …. Dayum
See ya is what they should have said, but they wanted to be famous.
@@fivestring65ify idk...I went back n watched the warrant live on MTV...the one thing that sounded waaaaay behind everything else was the guitar solo... Very weak... Very blah... I guess that's the only thing tht had them still the bars in Hollywood ... And signed later...they had everything...but a true lead player in the beginning.
@@fivestring65ify and they wound up being successful. They made the right call.
@@ferox965 in exchange for being known for the rest of their lives as frauds, Milly Vanillis.
Red Beach is even credited in the liner notes for the Twisted Sister album. They didn't try to hide that. Weird that Hill wouldn't even remember who he hired.
That is different. Love is for Suckers was supposed to be a Dee Snider solo album, but the record label decided that they would only release it under the TS name.
Reb Beach worked vigorously on Twisted Sister's Love is for Suckers. Why was Jay Jay Fench absent? Was French injured, or was he having some physical issues?
They were there, but not good enough for that kind of guitar solos. Just like Warrant, they needed a guitar hero to be in competition with all the bands out there.
Once again this interviewer always let's the ones SPEAK...he always says..."no go ahead"... This guys great!!! Hopefully we'll find out your name 😁😁😁then again keep it mystique like kiss did 💥💥keep on full in Bloom guy 👍👍
Hill's position was loopy. The two biggest selling hair metal bands of that era had two average, non-technical, non-shredding lead guitar players: Mars and DeVille. Nobody but the amateur lead guitarists ever said, "Hey, that song is hooky as hell. But the lead guitarist's sweep picking isn't fast enough. I'm not buying the single." lol
Good point.
Really depends on the producer and how much you care about your music. Hill sounds a bit controlling, but this was the tail end of 80s guitar oriented music and production and song technicality was everything to those "polished" hairbands. Mars was a great guitar player and shredder btw, though DeVille... pretty much wished he never soloed at all.
It's not about a players technical ability per se. You mention Mars and Deville. Listen to their playing. Especially Mars. It's all clean, in time, and well executed. Mick Mars was one of the best studio players in that genre back then. If the guys in Warrant were having trouble playing correctly, the studio isn't the time to get your chops up.
CC was actually good - better than Mars, listen to his solo on Nothing but a good time. But yah I agree with you in spirit though - a guitar hero for Warrant was not necessary
It was a crap move by Hill and the label.
Slamer played for Blow
Blow or Blow Job?
Joey has since come out and suggested that he & Erik Turner did actually contribute quite a few leads. Not sure I believe that, consider what Beau and the session guy, Mike Slamer, have already gone on record as saying.
Joey is a liar and a fraud
I would say NONE of the solos on their records compete with Warren, Eddie, Vai etc, but maybe that was the point, to not do anything to crazy?
It's the era, but the fellow is a muscian. John Williams said too me you got it. But I'm a metal dude
A few guitar forums SWEAR that CC DeVille did the guitar parts. I knew it wasn't him
Dumb idea....should have worked with who was actually in the band.
Turner and Allen played the shit fine in concert.
This isn't too far removed from Milli Vanilli in retrospect.
But the fellers in Milli Vanilli didn’t sing live OR in the studio? And while Joey and Eric didn't write or record the solos, they played them note for note perfectly live. Poor comparison. [EDIT: wanted to emphasize the facts between this and the Milli Vanilli controversy]
Oh i see, your idea would be the best huh?
Jani and the fakers.
@@mattrock12 "Poor comparison" my ass. Being "models" on the album cover and in the videos [and not telling anyone], is a dead on comparison.
@@twikirobot6897 They played >95% of the guitar work on the album(s). Let's not get over dramatic here.
Erik and Joey are great guitarists. I’ve never listened to an album and said damn I wish the solo was more technical- I love rough real solos- ace frehley style- deville etc
sometimes even guitar greats play cringey solos...umm...extremes debut album had some really bad ones...and some brilliant ones...
@@TylerDurden-oy2hmNuno??? No, not Nuno!
Hill produced Winger's first record, as well, and of course, Slamer wasn't necessary on that because Reb's a monster.
Music. Business.
Slamer said in a interview the he played just “a little” on the cherry pie record
If he played every lead, its like 5% of the album
Joey Allen did a recent interview and went over every song on DRFSR and Cherry Pie telling exactly who played what on each abd every track. Mike Slamer did alot of solos but not all of them.
Yes. I heard Joey Allen did the Heaven solo.
@@ce152capt100 Erik and Joey did all the rythym tracks. Erik contributed to a couple solos. Joey did several solos and co-wrote a few as well. For example So Damn Pretty solo was co-written by Erik, Joey and Mike Slamer. Joey did several though.
He's referring to the Mr. Shred podcast Joey was on. I, too, thought Slamer did all the solos, but I'm glad Joey cleared all that up and broke down each song.
And you believe Joey knowing that he is a fraud😂😂😂 when he lied to all his fans in the eighties? Do you really think the guy has credibility?
Sounds like someone who wanted to make money for a friend.
He's my solo guy. Burning up the strings it's no surprise. Plays so good makes rhythm players cry. My solo guy.
Cringe
CC Deville played the cherry pie solo - although that was less of a secret. I heard that Aerosmith’s train kept a rollin’ solo was outsourced too! Desmond child stated that. I’m sure joey and Erik hated it - who wouldn’t! But if they quit the band they knew that was the end of the music and the touring/partying etc! Mature decision
I am pretty sure that Jeff Beck was on Train kept rolling. Perry is an excellent guitarist but lacks on the technical side of things. He just isn't that kind of player and Aerosmith was never that kind of band.
@@stevenlindsey2056 DIck Wagner & Steve Hunter that played the guitars on Train Kept. A Rollin. They both worked with Lou Reed and Alice Cooper among others as well.
@@mattbross6517 correct-a-mundo. Hunter & Wagner are all over Billion Dollar Babies, and that massive guitar intro for Sweet Jane.
@@stevenlindsey2056 Dick Wagner. Perry had to learn TKaR after Wagner sizzled .
It wasn't secret. It's on the sleeve notes...and it's the worst solo on the entire album.
OMG I knew all about that and have been telling
my friends for years about that and nobody believed me lolol
I couldve sworn they brought in a drummer on a coupla songs too !!!
Everything was probably done by session players.
No. Steven Sweet is quite a talented drummer.
@@aaronkristo858 - Youre not a drummer are you ?
never heard of the fiona girl
She was hot (back in the day), can’t argue with that.
@@jimmycampbell78 so were alot of girls...
@@jimmycampbell78 also vey talented, her 1992 album squeeze is her best
That’s why Bruce from Poison played the solo on Cherry Pie
God when you said he shouldve never got married ... Aint that the truth ?
Damn thats the story of my life and I was stupid enough to do it twice lolol
😂😂😂😂Please tell me you are not on your third marriage.
Hell no Lolol Never again !!! @@sodica81
No clue who Fiona is but the title should be dude talks to Beau Hill about some chick named Fiona half the time
This is really infamous. And it wasn't the only case unfortunately back in the day. I don't care if the original members can't play like Eddie Van Halen, you just cant tell to the original guitarists that someone else will play your parts.. it's just humiliating. Period.
Happens more than you think. There are ghost sharpshooters all over records, has been since forever. Studios cost lots of money and sometimes session players get brought in to nail the parts quickly. Right or wrong, it happens.
@@ferox965 I know. My father worked in a famous studio during the middle 80's and part of the 90's and I can give you a couple of juicy "famous" names behind (other) famous bands LOL
Some of them couldn't replicate their own songs live anyway. It's even worse with Pop artists. Most of them are simply puppets of producers & labels. Fortunately some exceptions like Lady Gaga, Adele or Amy Winehouse changed the game since more than a decade and publicly demanded that "artists" sing back again FOR REAL. (This was obviously due to all those Britney Spears, boy bands and too much lip syncing) it helped. There's more scrutiny now from people when they go to a show. Even that, bands like Kiss or Def Leppard are insanely FULL of pre recorded tracks on their shows and since Pro tools era it's almost IMPOSSIBLE not to sound "good" on studio.
@@endtyme1345 Pro Tools...ugh. Thankfully, my singer refuses to use it. Her words, "If I need that shit, then we aren't ready to record." Best diva moment ever haha. Cheers and all the best from Canada.
Agree 100%
Well, when the label is forking over a million dollars for the production of a record... taking these measures does make sense, however unfortunate. And someone like Mike Slamer doesn't just "play your parts" for you- he writes them.
Talk about selling your soul for rock and roll
sell your soul, your dignity and always be remembered as the lead guitarist who never played solos on his albums, wow, be remembered as useless, a fraud
Fantastic thank you
does he play all lead guitar or just the solos?
Solos (on the Warrant album discussed here, at least)
Love Streets
Yep, Walsh and Slamer in the same band!! Jani was immensely talented, also. Long-time friend. I will miss him until I see him again.
Cool
A friend of mind is a well known bass player and claims he played bass on these records.
He probably did. Warrent wasn't a real band.
Pretty sad when you comsider how simple of a bass part 'Cherry Pie' was....
@@synthonaplinth5980I think that even the new kids on the block had more talent than the useless Warrant musicians
@@sodica81 Ouch, hahaha
What guitar is that in the beginning?
The one Joey is holding in the first photo? It is a Sarricola guitar.
Bob Rock should have done that with Kirk in the black album days...
It's painful to watch the video that he's trying to help Kirk to create the solo for The Unforgiven. 😅😅
Well,........ it's just business ,.....nothing personal.
is a fraud
I love this fuking channel so much. I remember all this problem era with Warrant's guitar playing. Beau you were always a genius. My big question and i dont mean to seem stupid is this Fiona is that Fiona Apple by chance???
Void this question Fiona that Beau was with is much more attractive than Fiona Apple
No way mate, Fionna Apple looked like an anorexic zombie 😂😂
George Lynch and Warren DeMartini changed the game. ALL the other guys were not close.
Uhhhh… Randy Rhoads.
Wasn't Fiona like a teenager back then and Beau like in his 30's?
shhhhh
From a timeline, it seems as though they met in 1986 when she was 25 and he was 34.
@@aaronkristo858 she just looked really young back then.
@RobTheUndertaker yummy
Wow.
You wonder why some of these bands weren't bigger than they should have been.... this is why. I think warrant figured it out, but it was too late by that time and jani was having his problems.
But CC DeVille can play all his solos 😂
He can, he just doesn't most of the time
I really don't have a problem with this. So many people saying this is humiliating or makes them posers or whatever, but like, they took lessons from the guy and were able to play that stuff live on tour, so what's the problem?
They didn't write the solos, fine, but producers and ghost writers intervene in the songwriting and arranging process all the time. A guitar solo is not even that important. Sounds like they just took it as constructive criticism and improved their playing and were actually able to bring it live as a result. Everything worked out and props to Erik and Joey for that.
That’s my take as well. They were a great live band and pulled off those (well-written) solos just fine. No shame in this whatsoever.
If you don't have a problem with this, you're part of the problem. Music is an expression of your inner self. This is BS.
Selling yourself as a virtuoso guitarist and actually being a useless guitarist who didn't even record the solos is a serious problem, it's a fraud.
@@fivestring65ify if you have a problem with this but don't have a problem with every time Desmond Child shows up in the writing credits on a 80s rock album, you're a hypocrite
Should've made them play their own solos and called it grunge .
grunge had solos?
@@jamiehovis7722and great solos, listen to Pearl Jam and Alice in chains
This is kinda murky... Of course Slamer is a total stud, but being much older, was much more experienced than much younger Eric and Joey. It doesn't mean Eric and Joey couldn't have crafted memorable solos or didn't have contributions to make, but the experience of Mike certainly was undeniable. Nothing wrong with being mentored by more experienced musicians. Randy Rhoads still took classical lessons himself. Many big name singers still take vocal lessons. Nothing wrong with being mentored by more experienced musicians. If you watch the early club videos of Warrant on YT before the studio sessions, they can clearly play, but melodic lines are truly an art. You can be a killer shredder and suck on melody. I think this whole aspect is very misrepresented like they couldn't play, total nonsense. Slamer is a guitar god for sure because of his melody, but Eric and Joey have their own talents and contributions as well.
Exactly and Mike taught them how to play the solos for when they started touring so yea since they were taught them they are good players especially Joey.
I'm a guitarist friend and they never learned, they are terrible guitarists, live in those years the solos sounded really bad, totally amateur, and there is a recent video of the two of them playing Uncles Tom... on acoustic and I swear you ,they are so useless that they don't even made the arrangements so that it would sound good on acoustic guitars, they played the same notes as on the electric ones, this pair doesn't know anything about musical theory
People still listen to this band?
noup
Honestly wgaf if they did not play like EVH? This thing to let other play was utter stoopid if you ask me....Warrant proved to be a great band even without ppl as EVH...Lynch etc...they had songs ..great songs
If a band can't play, they shouldn't have been SIGNED!!!!!
You don't understand the music business.
They got signed because of their songwriting, which is much more important than guitar solos lol. You're telling me if you had a time machine you would let Jani Lane, one of the best singers and songwriters to come out of the 80s rock world, fade into obscurity because his guitar players couldn't shred hard enough? God I'm glad the 80s mentality is dead
If you want a band that can play, you are right. If you want a band that can sell records, the label will do whatever it takes to guarantee a profit.
@@acepaul407 ....Didn't claim to understand the music biz. But you cannot dismiss the logic of my comment. A band can't play well enough for the company's taste. But you sign them? See? It ain't rocket science.
@@stefannita3439 ...Jani Lane is one of the best singers and song writers to come out of the 80's rock world? Not even to bash on him, but really?
The Milli Vanilli of guitar solo's. I remember reading about this when it happened & thought how lame. That means they were not good enough to make it.
@@jozefk.7720 Compared with all the "artists" in the 2022 Super Bowl the Warrant guitar players are Segovia.
You the complete idiot thinking that this only happened to a few bands!
@@juancarlosibarra3245A pair of such useless guitarists could never be Segovia, not even if you compare them with the garbage that sounds in the SB
Where did you read that, what year did those rumors start to spread? thanks
Folks Its all about selling records. This has happened since recording started. It even happens within the band. David Gilmour recorded most of Pink Floyd bass lines, for example. I doubt Roger Waters turned down the money from the sales or even cared for that matter . Tim Pierce, Steve Lukather, Dann Huff, and so many other unsung studio greats are all over that 80s stuff. Many of the real band members can't play worth a damn, compared to session players. Most of those late 80s bands sucked live as well, or they were so loud you couldn't tell. Many were too drunk to remember the lines of their songs. I digress... Nashville is all about this. Studio time is expensive. You need folks who can lay down the tracks in time, especially in the days before digital recording.
I get where you're coming from, but it's all fraud. If the band isn't playing on the record, then it's not the band. It's counterfeit.
Just heard awhile back it's not Alabama on the Alabama records. It's Randy Owens and the cousins singing, but the music is all Nashville pros.
they were a fraud dude, please do not compare Pink Floyd with this useless pair
Can't all be D-Marts or J-Becks ya know?
Who cares.
@@fivestring65ify I think you're confused
Watch some videos of Warrant prior to recording their first album. The original solos make CC Deville sound like EVH... Cringeworthy.
Jesus that must be the most embarrassing thing in the worldto be told that you and your buddy aint good enough to play your instrument on your own record.. but the truth hurts...
If the guitarist can't play well enough, then WHY was the band signed in the first place???
That's the question no one wants to ask. And it's a very good question. If you aren't playing on the record, are you really even a band? The answer is no.
Just to piss you off
Quality songwriting and Jani's voice.
Never was a Warrant fan
Good to know.
you are wise