hey Jonathan, your advice here is EXACTLY what I needed to hear! I am the sucker for gear you are describing. QUESTION: how are you getting those sharp details out of the c70 or pcc4k? the detail on skin is incredible. I'm using L-series and I don't get skin pores like that, also, where is all of the noise?! how bro?
Thanks. It was probably a sigma lens that I got those shots, either 18-35 or 50mm it certainly helps with softer cameras like the C70 that said I think we are just all more critical of our own work than others. I know at the time of that shoot I was actually pretty disappointed at the results of the C70, it’s only a couple of years later when you haven’t a been staring at it on a timeline that you can appreciate it.
@@UrbanCoyoteMedia Why so you think no one would buy a Z mount RED? It makes perfec sense Nikon have the shortest focal flange on the market so if they make a RED with a Z mount then actually its benefitial to absolutely everyone. You can adapt everything to a Z mount so a RED with a Z mount would be amazing, you can literally adapt it all, E, RF, L, X, EF, F, PL its all there all can be adapted to. You would be able to use every single lens ever made on this camera.
@@charlieparis3454 well at least those that don’t require proprietary corrections. RF lenses require corrections that RED has had to account for, especially for things like auto focus.
@@JosueEscogido every Arri built after 2014 comes with internal NDs, I own 2 of them. Sony Venice got them as well. These are true cinema cameras my friend.
Alexa 35, V-Raptor XL and Venice all have internal ND. Also what is a ‘true’ cinema camera? Many would argue even the KX doesn’t meet that standard. A camera doesn’t need to be harder to use to make it a cinema camera
Ridiculous! All of them offer features no other camera does! Global shutter is not that easy to pull off, if it was all cameras would have it - let alone with absolutely no penalty in dynamic range. The color science is better than any camera company, and R3D files are the best in post. Triple based ISO is NOTHING compared to absolute pull back in post! Triple Based ISO is still baked in ISO. Also, RED has the best camera app allowing total remote control. FYI, not other company has *real* raw in camera - BRAW, NRAW, none are real raw, and not 16 bit. CLog and SLog are not even competitive.
@@cogmission1 dynamic range arri better + color transition etc..even for big commercials prores4444xq totally fine, raw for people that don´t know how to expose. global shutter hardly needed when your cam has around 7ms. there is a reason you don´t see a lot of RED on professionel sets and their cams loss of value is incomparable.
It’s crazy we are dancing around the idea of slog 3 being almost obsolete. I’ve used red raw out of the KX and it’s unreal I do wish the fx3 had setting similar to it for sure . If the fx3 were about a $1000 less I think it would be on point for the current times .
Slog3 is not even close to obsolete. If you can't get a good quality image with slog3 or almost a modern log for that matter you just don't know what you're doing. Raw is so incredibly overrated. I have a high end camera that does raw, not worth the data rate (I've made the mistake a tried shooting almost everything on raw and you quickly learn that its just impractical for storage) and I'm very experienced so raw gives me little over what I can do with slog3. Now don't get me wrong, I shot raw on high end stuff that I really want to get the most out of my camera but often times I don't feel like it's that much better. I can grade slog3 really well so I don't feel that there is a huge difference when compare to raw. Again if you know what you're doing you'll get a great image regardless.
I am surprised that they would drop the price so suddenly. I feel that this Nikon decision more than anyone at Red . Is this just to purposely kill Red . Buy them out and devour it ? If I was a Red owner I’d be so disgusted and pissed 😤
red sensor is overrated. only sensor that is a step is the arri one. rest is more or less the same after a good grading. usability/form factor more important
I do agree that the FX6 and C70 are up there with the KX in terms of highlight roll off. Our last shoot the B-camera was the C70 and it looked just as great as the KX despite the file sizes being 10x smaller!
@@JonathanPalfrey even if I were to accept your nomenclature of “up there with…”, that is not the same thing as being equal to. The differences can be subtle, but they are there, especially in dynamic range, roll off and general color science.
Not likely. That is schoolyard politics. Red has unique and valuable, intellectual property and a reputation in the industry. They aren’t going anywhere.
RED has done this in the past, it’s not surprising. Unless the camera pays itself off within a couple years, it’s probably not worth you purchasing one.
This is only true if you’re not planning to keep the camera and use it as a tool. If you are only planning to use it for the short term, in need to trade it in for the next camera, then yes one would need to be more careful.
In my opinion this was a stupid move on Red's part. I bought a KX in Feb this year at full price, to drop the price by nearly 30% in a year means I'll never buy another Red. Why would anyone buy a Red now based on their handling of pricing? Would you buy a new Red in future when there's a chance of it dropping 30% in a year, if you do you have more money than brains. Sony and Canon retains their value far better
It's basic math. Say a camera is released today and it is perfect for my job and costs $100. And a year later it will cost $70. Now waiting for a year will save me $30. But if I am going to be making $50 in this one year, because of the efficiency and leg up this gear will offer me, then I will be LOSING $20 by waiting for the prices to drop. If someone gets this as a tool for their craft, it is still a bomb purchase, but if it is a clear overkill for the returns they are making or the work they do or someone who upgrades their gear every year because of gear acquisition syndrome then, well, tears.
This is just bitterness. And I understand it, but it is not representative of RED camera market value in general. Their flagship cameras are still the same price - and no this has not cheapened the RED name at all. Now more people will get to experience why RED is such a distinctive offering - Global shutter, Best Color Science, Best in-camera exposure tools, Best post-production raw format, Best camera app for remote control, Best dynamic range (V-Raptor X has 2 more stops than Arri Alexa 35 proven with a video just released by "Thai 8K HDR Variety"
hey Jonathan, your advice here is EXACTLY what I needed to hear! I am the sucker for gear you are describing. QUESTION: how are you getting those sharp details out of the c70 or pcc4k? the detail on skin is incredible. I'm using L-series and I don't get skin pores like that, also, where is all of the noise?! how bro?
Thanks. It was probably a sigma lens that I got those shots, either 18-35 or 50mm it certainly helps with softer cameras like the C70 that said I think we are just all more critical of our own work than others.
I know at the time of that shoot I was actually pretty disappointed at the results of the C70, it’s only a couple of years later when you haven’t a been staring at it on a timeline that you can appreciate it.
I suspect Nikon/RED want's to liquidate this ASAP. I would bet that there is a Z Mount body right behind this camera. NAB next spring?
100% I doubt they're going to make the RED Z mount though no one is going to buy that
@@UrbanCoyoteMedia Why so you think no one would buy a Z mount RED? It makes perfec sense Nikon have the shortest focal flange on the market so if they make a RED with a Z mount then actually its benefitial to absolutely everyone. You can adapt everything to a Z mount so a RED with a Z mount would be amazing, you can literally adapt it all, E, RF, L, X, EF, F, PL its all there all can be adapted to. You would be able to use every single lens ever made on this camera.
@@charlieparis3454 why not just make it interchangeable
@@charlieparis3454 well at least those that don’t require proprietary corrections. RF lenses require corrections that RED has had to account for, especially for things like auto focus.
Great insights as always Jonathan, thanks for sharing.
Red cameras are overvalued, that's why they depreciate more than an NFT
komodo x was to expensive for what it it. without internal NDs I would not buy a camera anymore.
@@JosueEscogido every Arri built after 2014 comes with internal NDs, I own 2 of them. Sony Venice got them as well.
These are true cinema cameras my friend.
Alexa 35, V-Raptor XL and Venice all have internal ND. Also what is a ‘true’ cinema camera? Many would argue even the KX doesn’t meet that standard.
A camera doesn’t need to be harder to use to make it a cinema camera
Ridiculous! All of them offer features no other camera does! Global shutter is not that easy to pull off, if it was all cameras would have it - let alone with absolutely no penalty in dynamic range. The color science is better than any camera company, and R3D files are the best in post. Triple based ISO is NOTHING compared to absolute pull back in post! Triple Based ISO is still baked in ISO. Also, RED has the best camera app allowing total remote control. FYI, not other company has *real* raw in camera - BRAW, NRAW, none are real raw, and not 16 bit. CLog and SLog are not even competitive.
@@cogmission1 dynamic range arri better + color transition etc..even for big commercials prores4444xq totally fine, raw for people that don´t know how to expose. global shutter hardly needed when your cam has around 7ms. there is a reason you don´t see a lot of RED on professionel sets and their cams loss of value is incomparable.
It’s crazy we are dancing around the idea of slog 3 being almost obsolete. I’ve used red raw out of the KX and it’s unreal I do wish the fx3 had setting similar to it for sure . If the fx3 were about a $1000 less I think it would be on point for the current times .
I dont think slog3 will be obsolete but i do thing slog3 needs help to survive among its competitors and hy that i mean uncompressed raw
@@7-bs 100% years that that idea I would like that personally
Slog3 is not even close to obsolete. If you can't get a good quality image with slog3 or almost a modern log for that matter you just don't know what you're doing. Raw is so incredibly overrated. I have a high end camera that does raw, not worth the data rate (I've made the mistake a tried shooting almost everything on raw and you quickly learn that its just impractical for storage) and I'm very experienced so raw gives me little over what I can do with slog3. Now don't get me wrong, I shot raw on high end stuff that I really want to get the most out of my camera but often times I don't feel like it's that much better. I can grade slog3 really well so I don't feel that there is a huge difference when compare to raw. Again if you know what you're doing you'll get a great image regardless.
If you have a solid business model to warrant buying a camera then it's a non issue. Waiting forever gets you nowhere.
Exactly, no one should really be spending 10k+ on camera equipment without a good business justification.
I wonder if this is a Nikon flex?
Nikon stressed about the C400 release and acting accordingly. 😬
I am surprised that they would drop the price so suddenly. I feel that this Nikon decision more than anyone at Red . Is this just to purposely kill Red . Buy them out and devour it ? If I was a Red owner I’d be so disgusted and pissed 😤
Just checked ebay people still haven't got the memo lol. There still asking 12k used lol. Poor red owners who bought at the top.
As a Sony user I’m hoping the price dropped because Red knows Sony is about to drop something.
Hopefully, maybe an FX6 mark 2 with raw
still to expensive when I've seen highlight retention on the FX6 that looks better than the Komodo
red sensor is overrated. only sensor that is a step is the arri one. rest is more or less the same after a good grading. usability/form factor more important
I do agree that the FX6 and C70 are up there with the KX in terms of highlight roll off. Our last shoot the B-camera was the C70 and it looked just as great as the KX despite the file sizes being 10x smaller!
@@JonathanPalfrey even if I were to accept your nomenclature of “up there with…”, that is not the same thing as being equal to.
The differences can be subtle, but they are there, especially in dynamic range, roll off and general color science.
Come on the writing was on the wall . Nikon is killing red … revenge . For those wanting to pick it up now ? I would be very very cautious .
Not likely. That is schoolyard politics. Red has unique and valuable, intellectual property and a reputation in the industry. They aren’t going anywhere.
RED has done this in the past, it’s not surprising. Unless the camera pays itself off within a couple years, it’s probably not worth you purchasing one.
Are you saying RED will bring the price back up? Or is the price permanently It now?
This is only true if you’re not planning to keep the camera and use it as a tool. If you are only planning to use it for the short term, in need to trade it in for the next camera, then yes one would need to be more careful.
Sounds like you are in denial. 3K lower price is huge . It has to sting. Sorry it happened to you.
Almost made me visit Kurt Cobaine.
In my opinion this was a stupid move on Red's part. I bought a KX in Feb this year at full price, to drop the price by nearly 30% in a year means I'll never buy another Red. Why would anyone buy a Red now based on their handling of pricing? Would you buy a new Red in future when there's a chance of it dropping 30% in a year, if you do you have more money than brains. Sony and Canon retains their value far better
It's basic math. Say a camera is released today and it is perfect for my job and costs $100. And a year later it will cost $70. Now waiting for a year will save me $30. But if I am going to be making $50 in this one year, because of the efficiency and leg up this gear will offer me, then I will be LOSING $20 by waiting for the prices to drop. If someone gets this as a tool for their craft, it is still a bomb purchase, but if it is a clear overkill for the returns they are making or the work they do or someone who upgrades their gear every year because of gear acquisition syndrome then, well, tears.
It’s great for people that don’t own a red yet I think it a great move I can now picture myself buying one
This is just bitterness. And I understand it, but it is not representative of RED camera market value in general. Their flagship cameras are still the same price - and no this has not cheapened the RED name at all. Now more people will get to experience why RED is such a distinctive offering - Global shutter, Best Color Science, Best in-camera exposure tools, Best post-production raw format, Best camera app for remote control, Best dynamic range (V-Raptor X has 2 more stops than Arri Alexa 35 proven with a video just released by "Thai 8K HDR Variety"
Even with the price drop the RED accessories you'll need to add another $3000 to $5000.
You did waste thousands of dollars. You just did t know you were going to waste that money. You should have waited imo but you learned your lesson
Waited for how long? He wouldn't have predicted it
Hindsight is 20/20. Wise one. :-)
Og komodo got released in 2020.