Josh Pate On Big12 Being America's Conference (Late Kick Cut)
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- Опубликовано: 6 апр 2024
- The Big12 could be the most competitively balanced conference in College Football this year, and on Late Kick Live Ep 496 Josh Pate discussed the reasons he believes the Big12 represents everything the public claims it wants from the sport. Whether it's balance, NIL and Portal integrity, coaching stability, or fan engagement, who has these things in a more proper blend than the Big12? Let us know what you think in the comments below and be sure to SUBSCRIBE to the channel and CLICK THE BELL for notifications as we bring you multiple live shows per week!
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Thanks for giving props to the Big 12.
Big 12 might not be the most elite conference but it is always fun to watch. I could see like 7 teams that can win the league
His narrative is completely warped.
The Big 12 has leveraged the transfer portal more than any other conference.
The reason the odds are all so close isn’t because there’s more parity, it’s because no one has any idea how good each team is going to be next year…because of the portal
The Big XII is my favorite conference to watch. I wish Nebraska was still part of that league.
I'm a Hawaii fan but I 100% agree out of power conferences Big 12 is the most interesting because of the parity, cultures, and passion from their fans. I enjoyed watching their games more than B1G. Can't wait to see the chaos with the four corners added.
Your basically describing the PAC 12.
@@georgelucas2571no, he said “passion from their fans”
@@georgelucas2571 Yeah, good views in the Pac-12, and generally better weather, but not nearly as many passionate fans. It is what it is. -- a Sooner and Nittany Lion alum
I do miss the old original big12 but this is the most competitive and diverse from top to bottom which makes for some great games week in and week out. Great topic. Love the show
Former Pac12 fan to current Big12 fan here. I’m excited for this season to begin.
Definitely the underdog conference
on a week to week basis, the most entertaining conference to watch
I agree that the Big 12 is America's conference! It is the most competitive conference in the nation in most sports.
I am from Georgia, and to be honest, I am always interested what is going on in the Big 12. They have great leadership, are survivors, and do not have the "oppressor" stigma the SEC and Big Ten have.
Thank you Josh.
I couldn't agree more Josh. I am really excited for this new Big XII where every team has a chance to shine.
I'm looking forward to the conference title race in the Big 12 this year where going into the final week 6 teams are tied at the top with same conference record. :)
I’m a Texas fan. I’ve loved the Big 12 for the last couple of years. The games are so much fun. I’ll continue to watch the Big 12 even though my Longhorns have sold out to the SEC.
On this dim view of our schools selling out the SEC we can agree. Thinking about it nearly makes me vomit. -- a Sooner (and Nittany Lion) alum
Josh is so right, the big 12 is what college sports is all about.
Best conference!
High revenue DOES NOT equal the best football
It does in this case.
@@chuckwest7045 no it doesn’t. Nobody cares about most weeks in the big10 and sec because it’s essentially g5 vs Titans at this point
@@thekrakenguy6962 The TV ratings say otherwise.
@@thekrakenguy6962 They get paid the most because they have the most viewers, so apparently people care.
@@chuckwest7045 Well, if you look at the article from "The Athletic" that was written two years ago that broke down the cost per win for every school from 2010 to 2019 the University of Kansas spent the most and was always the worst team, while Kansas State spent the least and almost played for a National Championship in the 2012-13 season. 3 out of the 4 teams that spend the least are in the Big 12.
Power 5 cost per win 2010-19
Kansas $8.96 million
Arkansas $6.04 million
Rutgers $5.13 million
Texas $5.1 million
Auburn $4.98 million
Tennessee $4.81 million
Vanderbilt $4.74 million
Purdue $4.73 million
Ole Miss $4.68 million
Colorado $4.56 million
Miami $4.54 million
Indiana $4.47 million
UCLA $4.45 million
Cal $4.44 million
Illinois $4.39 million
Florida State $4.35 million
Alabama $4.32 million
Michigan $4.25 million
Virginia $4.21 million
Notre Dame $4.14 million
Syracuse $4.11 million
South Carolina $4.06 million
Florida $4.06 million
TCU $4.05 million
Kentucky $4.05 million
Minnesota $4.03 million
Iowa State $4 million
Arizona State $3.99 million
Nebraska $3.95 million
Boston College $3.9 million
Oregon State $3.83 million
Arizona $3.76 million
Washington $3.75 million
Texas A&M $3.75 million
Maryland $3.73 million
Duke $3.71 million
North Carolina $3.71 million
Pittsburgh $3.66 million
Iowa $3.65 million
Northwestern $3.6 million
Georgia $3.57 million
USC $3.48 million
Wake Forest $3.46 million
Ohio State $3.34 million
Baylor $3.31 million
Georgia Tech $3.28 million
Texas Tech $3.19 million
Clemson $3.18 million
Oklahoma $3.17 million
Virginia Tech $3.14 million
Michigan State $3.13 million
Louisville $3.1 million
LSU $3.07 million
Missouri $2.89 million
Washington State $2.88 million
Wisconsin $2.84 million
N.C. State $2.75 million
Utah $2.71 million
Mississippi State $2.62 million
Oregon $2.48 million
West Virginia $2.47 million
Stanford $2.42 million
Oklahoma State $2.33 million
Kansas State $2.27 million
Spot on Josh!
Thanks for giving us props
If the Big Ten and SEC split im watching the college football product that does that involve them
Spot on Pate. I'm sorry for trashing you the other day. I'm a Mountaineer, you'll forgive me? 😂
Low key but high quality football
When I began watching and following college football in the early 1960s Ohio State and Michigan ruled the B10 and Alabama and Georgia ruled the SEC. Nothing changed in those conferences in 60 years and it won't be any different going forward. Thank the college football gods for the new B12.
Since the early 1960's, Alabama, LSU, Auburn, Tennessee , Florida & Georgia have all not only won the SEC, but they've all won national championships as well. Enjoy the Big Twelve where none of them will ever win a 12 team playoff.
@@chuckwest7045I’m sure it has nothing to do with the fact the ESPN owns the sec network…silly naive child
@@chuckwest7045some got around to it eventually sure but overall SEC has always been ruled by either Alabama/LSU or Alabama/Georgia. They’ve had more favorable schedules for the last decade or more with having less conference games than the big 12 as well as more cupcake FCS and bottom feeder group of 5. The big 12 has also been fucked over multiple times by the playoff/BCS (see TCU, Baylor, OSU, and Kansas State) in favor of BIG and SEC teams. The BIG is an enormously overrated conference that is solely held up by is school alumni base size. The BIG 10 hasn’t been good for a long time. It just has two schools that have always rolled through the whole thing and always will. Easy to make the playoff when you only play one game all year. Don’t forget about ESPN literally running the playoff and the SEC getting incredibly biased ranking boosts that no other conference gets. Florida and Kentucky 2022 was the most egregious I had ever seen, just handing the rest of the SEC free top 10/15 wins.
@chuckwest7045 yep. In 60 years a few other schools have won the SEC. My point exactly. Lol! Maybe you can fantasize something more relevant.
@@richardoneal1055 Win the SEC? Try national championships. Seems pretty relevant to me. You, on the other hand, can't make your point.
B12 reminds me of ACC and Big East after their initial expansion - the parity was strong in the ACC and WVU and Louisville suddenly became top 5 teams
Couldn't have said it any better!
Agreed; I like the sort of old-fashioned aspect of the big 12 and I wish the other conferences were less aligned with the NIL and transfer schematic which is now all too endemic within college football. I think you are correct in that the “pure football” factor in terms of enjoyment can be hard to beat.
However; the Big 12 will find themselves falling further and further behind the Big 10 and SEC because their teams simply cannot push as much money across the table due to the TV rights dominance of other conferences and other more minor factors. The likes of Kansas and Utah are definitively unlikely to conduct a serious run for a National Championship while other member schools qualify for mid-grade bowls by the conclusion of most years, except for the recent TCU anamoly and former OK glory. Consequently; the more expansive broadband TV cameras gravitate away from the Big 12.
If and when the ACC completes the process of implosion then perhaps the Big 12 admits a few of those teams however Clemson and FSU won’t be heading west, unless either of them continues to reside within the ACC and actually flies out to Cal Berkely or SMU. Now that the PAC 12 has melted down to the PAC 2; the Big 12 should own that 10:00 Saturday night time slot.
No he’s completely off base here.
The Big 12 has used the transfer portal more than any other conference.
Each team has had so much roster turn over that it’s hard to tell how good they’ll be.
That’s the reason the odds are so spread out.
Ironically, it is the most stable of the non network conferences, but Josh Pate is in the minority on this one. The Big 12 has 2 schools who don't want to be there & don't appreciate the opportunity they have. We have great venues & bad venues, but we don't have schools that the media wants to cover, but it is interesting football each & every week, which I believe is Josh's point.
The game to watch right now is the Utah at Okie State on September 21st. That will be an eye opening experience for Utah & if they can come out of there with a win, then they are the team the media says they are, if not, well.... I am a Red Raider & that is the game I am marking for the Big 12 season at the moment.
Josh I know you have to pander to all fans... so I like ur take. The Big12 is the most "American" because they are the most average... the most down the middle... they keep coaches the way the SEC does... They play the games on grass not on paper... The Big12 is like every other conference just not as good as some. lol
The Big 12 has the highest potential for growth on each team. Just takes a good donor or two on each team to reinvest and give back and you're good.
MAC, BABY! Mid-American Conference! America's Conference! Toledo, Western Mich, Akron, Ball State, Bowling Green, Buffalo, Central Mich, Kent State, Miami, Northern Illinois, Ohio Bobcats, Eastern Mich
😂
This is exactly what I’ve been saying how the conference should be marketed.
Yes, the Big 12 has passionate fanbases, intense stadiums, and competitive games up and down the schedule. The Big 12 is the underdog conference, surviving multiple death sentences, and is finally well run at the top.
The Big XII or XVI or XXXMMCCII or whatever turns up, just became the best hoops conference, and a somewhat better than average football conference. That said, they should still be fun to watch.
Big 12 overall runs pro style offenses. That’s why it’s fun to watch
Agreed.
0:12. If it is going to be the American College football conference for 2024 it needs better cross country representation.
I hold my nose most every time I watch SEC football. It just feels like NFL B league paid for players. I like watching B12 games as well as some other conferences. I usually root for the underdogs. Peace, Love!!
BEAR DOWN ARIZONA! Fifita and TMac will be the show to watch!
People really look at what the bandwagoners go after and call that “Americas team/conference”; it’s so pathetic.
Why isn't ASU on here 6:01
Because you touch yourself at night. Thems the rules.
go utes
The Big 12 is by far the most entertaining top to bottom. Every time I look at a schedule, Saturday's are completely full of coin flip games. Where as a Big 10/ SEC schedule looks to be full of yet another year of Georgia, Ohio State, Alabama, Michigan, and LSU domination 🥱
Hot take... Utah, Kansas, and Texas Tech go undefeated in the regular season.
💯
I have a theory that nobody in college football actually likes competitive balance. The Pac12 was one of the most competitively balanced conferences in cfb history and looked what happened to it. Want to know why it collapsed? Teams of that conference rarely made the playoff and as a result nobody watched the Pac12 compared to the SEC, Big12 and Big10. Why did teams from the Pac12 rarely make the playoff? The conference was competitive balanced. It was so hard for one team to get through their conference schedule unscathed that by conference championship weekend the front runner from the Pac12 likely had 2-3 losses already or they picked up their second loss in the Pac12 championship game.
If you want to put the big 12 America's conference shure but hate to say it but just like America's team Dallas cowboys their odds of winning a championship is 0%
And make Deon your spokesman because yourmark thinks college sports is all about basketball
The south does not represent America. They are one region. The B10 is out of touch with reality. They are all the big wigs and a bunch of lucky teams like Purdue and NW that are not worth a lot. The Big 12 represents America. Small college towns across the heartland and also from 3 different time zones. These towns love football and have a lot of personality. They are not flashy and they are the middle class of college football. They are not the rich SEC and B10. They are not down bad like conference USA. They are what we need more of. THE BIG 12!
I only see 3 mane
No it’s not America’s conference but it is a very entertaining conference in my opinion easily the third best conference in cfb
UTAH AN KANSAS OUTSIDE CHANCE COLORADO
All I'm going to say is that as soon as I heard the Big 12, I checked to see if this was posted April 1st. It wasn't, but it should have been.
Why was this silliness uploaded again?
Why not? As Josh alluded to, one of the biggest complaints from college football fans is that it is top-heavy, boring, and predictable with the same teams in the playoff picture every season. The Big 12 will have 16 schools next season and be the most competitively balanced of all the P5 conferences. It will be fun to watch. I'm looking forward to it.
@@bryanjones8778 - It's a meaningless, slow-news-day, filler topic, designed to do nothing but agitate people into clicking.
@@cacogenicist Oh, okay. I'm sure that must be the reason. 🙄
Based and Big 12-pilled
So the conference trying to play games in Mexico to stay relevant is somehow America's conference?
Without FSU & Clemson the ACC is not a POWER CONFERENCE.
So it's not the most watched, not the most skilled, not the best of anything... what is "American" about it???? the answer you missed was 100% the SEC
=] What I think is funniest about the SEC is that it's pretty much the only decent thing in 99.9% of the South, and that's only because of the incredibly high concentration of African American high school football talent native to the place. Oklahoma joining the SEC makes me want to vomit. We were not a traitor state. -- a Sooner and Nittany Lion alum...and former paratrooper at Benning/Moore, in GA, and Bragg/Liberty, in NC
I disagree because winning is the fundamental concept in America. Therefore, being the only Power 4 conference that hasn't won a playoff championship is un-American.
Only because the PAC 12 just decided to not exist all of a sudden.
As somebody that is an objective fan with no P5 team (Fan of Hawaii) it actually is very American to be the underdog. America started off as grassroots underdogs that had to succeed from the imperial state of Britain. If you look at this from a football standpoint, SEC/B1G might as well be the British Empire.
Gonna call BS on the title of your show today!
These big 12 people are desperate. No texas , no Oklahoma. Other then a Thursday night when a bad nfl game is on ill watch Utah once or twice, then realize these teams would be 7/8 th or lower in Big10 / SEC. The MAC is competitively balance too. I don't watch r Michigan vs ball state. Again, I may watch this over mac / sun belt etc.
The SEC represents the best in CFB and plays the game closest to the NFL.
There is no sane argument against your statement. No conference can match the depth, especially after adding Texas and Oklahoma. Insane competition.
Except the same teams win the SEC every year. I'm still waiting for Ole Miss and Tennessee and A&M to win the conference, but it's taking them forever. Not sure how you can call that a competitive league. Nevertheless the SEC is still the best but I fear it may turn more into a lopsided league in the coming years.
I don't watch the NFL. I prefer college football. Besides, the SEC, like the Big Ten and ACC (for now) is top heavy and predictable. Boring.
If I wanted NFL-like football, I would watch the NFL.
@@cacogenicist Exactly.
Looks like a slew of 6-6 teams. Not many playoff teams coming out of that bunch.
Big 12? Not without Texas and Oklahoma
ESPECIALLY without those 2 schools.
Did you watch the video? I can't wait until Texas and OU leave. The Big 12 should be a lot of fun next season.
Who paid u to do all this Big 12 talk? At a SEC school at that disrespectful bro.
When it all comes down to can the Big12 play with the BIG BOYS....REMEMBER THE NATIONAL CHAMPIONSHIP B/W GEORGIA vs tcu and GEORGIA could have beaten them worse if they wanted to...
Great handle btw....but Josh wasn't talking about big boys vs the big12ish, he was talking fun to watch and parity. Dirt track racing is a blast, but it's no Formula 1.
Would you be asking the same question if Michigan had beat TCU and played Georgia in the championship but the score was the same?
tech lost their qb this past week in spring camp - same old crap at tech
Not true
travel well??? come on!!! you actually think tech fans are going to travel to Ohio or Florida??? NO~~
It's been said before in the threads that revenue and talent do not necessarily equate to competitive or entertaining football. No one is arguing that the top of the SEC or B1G lacks that whatsoever. However, the reality is that there is a huge disparity from the top of those two leagues to the bottom, unlike the Big XII. In fairness, I'd still watch a crappy SEC game like an average A&M play a barely average Kentucky over any B1G West matchup or even Penn State playing Maryland or Rutgers. Outside of Ohio State and now Oregon/Washington, I'd rather poke my eyes out than watch whatever that is. I generally just shut off most B1G football. I'd rather watch Dancing With the Stars, one of the dumbest shows on the planet.
For the Big XII, and yes, I'm a Big XII guy, I'd watch any Big XII matchup on Saturday over any of the matchups I mentioned and many more. They are more entertaining and unpredictable than some football played in other conferences. Will the Big XII ever win a CFP? The odds are not great, but that doesn't mean it isn't a better brand and style of football played elsewhere even with better talent. There are a lot of people who conflate TV revenue and recruiting stars with watchable football. The Big XII is the most watchable conference from top to bottom. That's what Josh is saying, and rightly so.
The Big12 (aka conference of leftover spares wannabes) 1st and foremost is NOT a Power5 HOWEVER they are the best Mid-Major conference. To say they are "America's Conference" is an insult to Americans. They relate more to Canadians & Harris in that nobody cares about them until they speak or try to speak as they want to belong (like Kawala's speeches about filling out a bracket or her incredible infatuation of yellow school buses!??????!) so the BigSpares need to know their place in CFB (College Football NOT Canadian Fuseball) irrelevant on it's best day and entertaining only when it's for laughs....
In respect to you and your 1st rate show I ask that we only recognize (in the spirit of election election year) the SEC & BIG10 as the POWER CONFERENCES (Democrats & Republicans) while referring to all other conferences as annoying & irrelevant (independents) b/c if we're keeping it 100 that's what it really is....
Thank you for amazing insight, Intel, and perspective (excluding the title of this show). GO PATE STATE!
The Big 12 is not a mid major, and there are reasons. You compare the teams in the Big 12 versus the best mid major leagues in the AAC and MWC, the Big 12 still has way larger fan bases than those schools. The Big 12 will make way more money per school. MWC and AAC are making 7 million per school or less, and the Big 12 is about 31 million per school. There are many sizable stadiums in the Big 12 that are around 60000 (Iowa State, WVU, BYU, Tech, ASU, just to name a few), and the best mid majors don't have that.
The problem with the Big 12 is that it's kinda in an island on its own with the ACC (minus FSU and Clemson) in terms of level of prestige. The Big Ten and SEC are three notches ahead of the Big 12 and ACC, but the Big 12 and ACC are at least four notches ahead of the best G5 schools and conferences. That's what the hierarchy looks like in 2024 and the foreseeable future.
All that wasted breath and typing just to give a clown take. 😂
Look I'm an average objective fan I follow Hawaii my team isn't in the mix as a power team. I find the Big 12 more interesting than B1G/SEC because they have parity, passion & the schools have like this underdog feel. Pate made valid points & how many like myself feel that enjoy cfb. You just spewed nonsense gibberish.
If you want mediocre games