I think the first new rivalry will be Arizona-Kansas. Naturally, this will start as an insanely talented basketball rivalry but could easily become a spicy football game with Jedd Fisch at Arizona and Lance Leipold at Kansas having those two schools on the up and up.
I agree with this. It was already a pretty heated non con rivalry among the hoops fans. They often competed for similar recruits. If both teams continue to win on the gridiron, the basketball barbs will quickly spill over.
Houston vs TCU. This is based on the utter hatred the city of Houston has for DFW and the utter indifference that DFW has for Houston. It is compounded by Cowboys vs Texans, Astros vs Rangers, and Mavericks vs Rockets. It will carry over into the Big XII
That's so true. People in Houston HATE Dallas. They don't care as much about fort worth, but man they just dallas. Most people DFW don't think about Houston
As a Houston native who is an Ok State fan. You have no idea how much I hate DFW it’s literally trained and instilled in all of us. If any Houston region person mentions they don’t mind DFW they get crapped on by everyone for even saying that. At Ok State I actually refused to go to the TCU away games bc I don’t want to step foot in that city.
@@JTMont21I’d beg to differ. At Ok State there is a lot of DFW people there and I mean a lot. I’d mention I’m from Houston and they are like I can not stand that city and I’m like feelings mutual. This last year with the Astros vs Rangers ALCS I wore my Astro stuff around and I got a lot of people chirping at me. So the DFW area does hate Houston but definitely not to the same extent that Houston hates Dallas.
BYU VS TCU and Utah VS TCU is a rivalry that will become a rivalry again. BYU, Utah, and TCU were great rivals during the Mountain West Era because we were always competing for the Mountain West title. I feel like BYU fans still have a little bit of a chip on their shoulder from TCU. And I feel like that rivalry is going to be rekindled especially if all three teams find success in the BIG 12.
Funny enough, WVU and ISU have a friendly relationship in baseball and softball. WVU has a baseball team but no softball while ISU has the opposite. The two teams cheered for each other last year and have a fun relationship on social media
Isu Fan here and id have to say the weird attempt at making the riot bowl honestly made me like WVU. I cheer for WVU as long as they aren't playing ISU. It was backfired in a good way in that it created solidarity instead of division.
WVU fan here, I can confirm that every Iowa-Iowa St game I root for ISU. I had no idea cyclone fans felt the same lol I do see the possibility of a slight rivalry tho since previous meetings have been so close. Even going back to 2012-2013 we had some close games
Hey thank you for the shoutout man I appreciate it! I definitely think the UCF rivalry is very hostile at the moment but the travel thing absolutely hurts it. That being said I really hope the West Virginia rivalry takes off because both schools need each other since they’re isolated from the entire conference.
As a WVU fan, I want it to become something, but I honestly get more hate online when I say I want it to become something than I think actual hatred from our fanbase that goes the way of Cincy. As more games are played some hatred will definitely grow, but I will also say that for a lot of our fanbase there's almost so much hatred thrown the way of pitt/Virginia Tech that a lot don't have much room in their heart for another. I think if UC was added in around 2016 that would of been a time where our fanbase would of been more okay with calling it a rivalry, we weren't even back to playing the Brawl in Basketball yet at that point and the football series at that point in time was still years away.
I agree with you Cole coming from a UCF Guy. The only other team (outside of USF) we played that felt significantly emotionally charged with both the fans and the players was Cinci. I feel naturally that seems like it would remain UCFs only real 'rivalry' at this point
@@joshlongstreet3044personally as a UCF student I didn’t even know we were considered rivals until this year when we played. Compared to the war on i4 the amount of emotion and fan energy is nowhere near the same level
The ASU/Arizona rivalry is called the Territorial Cup because it started in the 1890s before Arizona became a state in 1912. It's not the oldest rivalry, but it is the oldest rivalry trophy. It is one nasty rivalry. It goes beyond athletics and academics. It is political, it is civic, it is, literally, territorial. The cities of Phoenix, which Tempe is a suburb of, and Tucson hate each other. It can be very very nasty.
I think this would be amazing as a series analyzing all the rivalries in each conference now that they’re starting to solidify. Ranking Rivalries or something
Please make a stand-alone video about the holy war, between Utah and BYU. There is so much history behind it and is one of the most heated rivalries out there.
@@billylocke9633Exactly. As a Tech alumnus, I can say we absolutely abhor anything related to that school down in College Station, but that is in the past. Ut-Austin? Not a fan. OU? Meh. OSU? We are like brothers. Sure, sometimes we get into a fight, but if anyone else says anything about them, we’ve got their back and we know they’ve got ours.
@@billylocke9633 Agree the Taco Tossers always had the hated short horns to hate while the Pokes have always hated the dirt burglars in Snorman. Cowboys fans don't hate aTm, we just enjoy beating them whenever we get a chance to play them.
As a UCF fan, I definitely feel like UCF- Houston is trying to be forced based on both schools being the "Space U". Even when we were both in the American, we just treated it like a normal game. Now the Cincy rivalry is the total opposite. We really have nothing in common, we just naturally formed a rivalry since we always competed for American Championships. Still though, I do miss the War on I-4 between USF the most, is was always a close game no matter how bad or good each team was. I wish we had it as a permanent non-conference rival like Florida-FSU.
Agreed. As a UH fan the whole space u thing is so random. For UH, Tech would be a better fit. Both schools are Tx state schools denied PUF fund (permanent university fund) money from the state so we have to scratch for every penny we can. Kindred spirits.
Years ago, there was a heated TCU-Utah rivalry, when those schools dominated the Mountain West and were breaking through the BCS when they weren’t P5/P4
I love these rivalry videos. I’d be super interested to see a video like this for other conferences. Especially the SEC. I’m a Texas fan so seeing our game with A&M come back next year has me really excited, tho I would say all of Texas considers Oklahoma our main rival. I’m also very interested to watch the Big 12 next year, as I grew up watching my team play against most of what is the big 12 I feel like I have a soft spot to watch where y’all go from here. I know there’s a lot of animosity around the whole SEC thing, which I do think is better for both parties, but I’ll always appreciate the Big 12 teams we would face in the 2000s and 2010s. Wish y’all the best.
Same with Pittsburgh, I think the Backyard Brawl would gain more national attention in the Big 12. I mean, rivalries with Pitt, Cincy, and VT could catapult WVU back into those Big East glory days.
As a Texan, I remember houston and TT having some beef just because they were both the overlooked air raid school who is more well known for basketball in Texas. I think it will probably end up being Houston's #1 rivalry and TT's #2 after TCU within 5 years of the new big 12. Also I-35 is pretty much the dividing point for west Texas and central TX even though it's in the middle of the state so TCU is pretty much the start of west Texas.
I'd classify it as a friendly rivalry, but it definitely produces some good games! Although, my POV is because my wife is a TCU grad, we have season tickets, and my parents met at Tech. Every Tech @ TCU game I've been to has been intense and close, except for that 2014 stomping. 😉
As an Oklahoma State fan, the one team that really bothers me in the Big XII is Iowa State. It feels like the years where we can truly be in the national conversation, Iowa State ruins it (See: 2011, 2021, and an argument can be made for 2023 and 2018 as well). However, this is probably a one sided rivalry. ISU fans I imagine find it funny that they can upset a team that needed wins like air when it really matters for OSU. However when the game means nothing, OSU dominates.
As an ISU fan it almost feels like ISU and OSU are squabbling siblings. We are both AG and Engineering focused universities that are often overshadowed by a larger in-state university. We both have football programs that play a physical brand of football led by the two longest tenured head coaches at their respective schools in the Big 12.
@@richardmckinney4963 Given the number of non conference games, proximity, and better than average fan interest for non-conference games; seems decent odds basketball, softball, baseball, and potentially multiple of the non revenue sports plausibly continue Bedlam out of conference. The low number of nonconference football games is the first problem, then there is the issue that generally much of what is left is are tune up games that OU/OSU are generally better than you need for that most years.
Baylor/Houston I imagine will develop as a basketball rivalry considering they’re arguably the two most successful basketball programs in Texas. I’m sure that Houston would love to demolish Baylor and Baylor would love to demolish Houston. The seeds for hate I think are there, they just need to grow into something extremely competitive.
The thing about the potential Colorado vs Tech rivalry is that those are two programs with hard core wild fan bases. Lubbock and Boulder are two places you might get a beer dumped on you if you find yourself in the wrong section. I'd say it go t off for sure.
From a Utah perspective you might want to add TCU vs Utah since they both entered the old Power 5 at the same time from the Mountain West where they fought for the championship there in the 2000s (Whittingham was coaching then too). I have a soft spot for the Horned Frogs because of that (regardless of the fact they are legitimately the reason Utes do not wear black in day games). Our biggest rival in the Pac 12 was definitely USC because of the old division set up and the fact that neither fanbase loves the other. Colorado was a nothing rivalry that could not be manufactured into one.
I agree, I lived in LA as a ute fan for a bit and I got nothing but anger from SC fans. Definitely gonna miss those games. SC was much more of a rivalry than colorado was. Colorado was never a rivalry more of a game that I prayed we wouldn’t choke at the end of the season. It’s unfortunate that most of the teams I looked forward to playing each year will be going to the big10. TCU will be fun to play again though along w the school down south
As a trojans fan i think that if the pac did not dissolve there could have been a chance that SC and Utah could have been full on rivals. I also think that if the rivalry had developed, it would have been the same energy as the USC Stanford rivalry
@@bobcatboi314I hate U$C. So glad they've sucked the last 15 years and I love watching them fall apart under the weight of unrealistic expectations and coaches that try to cut corners to win championships
As an LSU fan, I find the idea of manufacturing rivalries super interesting. The SEC tried this with LSU vs. Texas A&M, and the results have been mixed. Most of the animosity (in my memory) came from 70-point shootout in 2019. I also think there tends to be a mini rivalry between any schools of bordering states regardless of history. But overall, I don't see the rivalry quite like LSU-Alabama or LSU-Ole Miss. It will be interesting to see what comes of the LSU-A&M rivalry once Texas and Oklahoma join the SEC.
With a collection of teams this new you might as well lean on some of the rivalries that do have some history even if it isn’t recent like Arizona-Texas Tech and Utah-Colorado
I mean hindsight is 20-20 but as an Aggie I'll say we consider you guys rivals, given the series is 32-24 and we've played so many games. It's not quite Lone Star Showdown level, but definitely a bigger rivalry then South Carolina and maybe because yall have been more successful recently, but it's bigger than the SouthWest Classic game. But you could also attribute that to A&M's utter domination with it being in a "neutral site" for the last 15 years. I'd say it's our secondary rivalry.
Hopeing kstate and TCU can get a little rivalry going in the upcoming years. 2022 was pretty good in football along with the following basketball season. We will have to see though
ACC fan here(Syracuse) I’ve been watching the big 12 for awhile now as I’m a basketball fan. The big 12 rivalries are really fun to watch, most of them are competitive and have great environments. The ACC rivalries have seemed to really die down with the loss of the old guard coaches and just not putting out the same quality of teams as we used to.
thats true but there's so much more tradition in ACC rivalries (big east / tobacco road) etc it makes up for it, also a lot of these big 12 programs aren't nationally relevant in most sports
@@klip8726 WVU fan here. We like it in the B12. Really miss our old matchups. We had some heated yearly rivalries with Pitt, VT, and Syracuse. Miami, BC, and Louisville were always marked on the calendar as well. In a lot of ways we seem to fit well with the B12 schools. Just never have established the same tensions that we had with our old BE foes. Miss you all.
Texas Tech vs. TCU rivalry will be A tier. That horns down energy has to go somewhere. We already got the cactus emoji from it. Thank you by the way :).
I think Kansas/BYU will become a rivalry. The KC area has a large mormon population so there will be travel. It takes time to get these new rivalries going, but they will happen. There is a lot of parity, so there is going to be a lot of spoiling of the other teams season going on it won't take long.
The Big "can't count past" 12 is screwing things up with the yearly rivalry thing by only keeping four! Somebody should remind them what happened to the Western Athletic Conference when they were 16 teams, tampering with rivalries. The lack of Leastern Time Zone schools is also hurting this conference. Central Florida being an "island" (like what West Virginia went through) is unacceptable! What needs to be done is simple. 1. Three yearly rivalries per school. 2. Rotate with remaining 12. Keep it at 9 conference games so it only takes two years to play the remaining 12. 4 years for home and home. 3. Here is the list of rivalries that need to be yearly: Arizona vs. Arizona State Arizona vs. Oklahoma State Colorado vs. Oklahoma State Colorado vs. Utah Kansas State vs. Colorado Kansas State vs. Kansas Iowa State vs. Cincinnati Iowa State vs. Kansas State TCU vs. Houston TCU vs. Texas Tech Texas Tech vs. Baylor Texas Tech vs. Houston West Virginia vs. Central Florida West Virginia vs. Kansas Utah vs. Arizona State Utah vs. BYU Arizona State vs. BYU Baylor vs. TCU BYU vs. Arizona Central Florida vs. Cincinnati Cincinnati vs. West Virginia Houston vs. Baylor Kansas vs. Iowa State Oklahoma State vs. Central Florida
Holy War is considered one of the top best names to ever exist but BYU and Utah go back and forth of not playing each other at times but only usually a yr or two years off and then they go at it. BYU fans will claim they own the full series as well as Utah fans claim they own the series. Its a never ending fight! Utah leads 59-32-4 in the Holy War. Utah heavily dominated for so many years when it first was around. Byu dominated when Lavell Edwards came in and help it gain back some of the blue claim. Utah Byu will forever be a massive rivalry for the state of Utah.
As a ttu fan, I think a rivalry with Houston is brewing, we’ve played quite a few times in the last few years and I think a lot of tech fans would welcome it. Give it a few years and I think it’ll start to become more heated between us and Houston.
Arizona fan here! We only really care about playing VS ASU in football. We are much better at football now, but honestly, if we went 1-11 but the one win was vs ASU, Tucson would be chill with is. I am sure ASU fans would say the same about beating UA. Anecdotally, i have talked about the tech rivalry renewal with a lot of other UA alum, and aside from being a fun novelty, nobody is taking it very seriously.
So as a Tech fan, I’ll give you we don’t have an “a” rival after Texas left, but I’d move the BUTT bowl and Dust Bowl (Tech/OSU) up one each, but I don’t think the Dust Bowl is that far away from being “B” tier either. Also the Houston Rivalry should at least be “D” tier or maybe even “C”. It has got some potential. Lastly, the TCU game has recently spiked and had potential to become “A” soon.
Tech vs UH should be an annual game. It’ll be a great basketball rivalry as well. Tech vs OSU if marketed correctly, could become an exciting yearly match up as well. Two of the best and loudest stadiums in the B12. Two excellent baseball programs too.
11 months late to this vid, but as someone who grew up a TTU fan and lives in Lubbock, OK state is a new/friendly rivalry, we hate baylor and TCU but not nearly as much as a&m and UT. Nobody in lubbock cares about Houston, that isn’t a rivalry really at all imo
In order from tech’s pov, I’d say rivals in the B12 are Baylor, TCU, OSU, Arizona. Could see the Colorado thing happening. That game was pretty heated between fanbases this year
Revivalry was huge in 2014/15. Other than that, it’s going to be difficult to see which rivalries grow in this conference. Part of why so many of these traditional rivalries occurred was because of regional location of the two schools and just absolute hate. Hard to have a rivalry be born if everyone’s ‘meh’ with each other
Border showdown was such a great rivalry, wish they’d bring it back. They have kind of brought it back in basketball, but it’s not the same as when we were both in the BIG 12.
As a Houston fan, I disagree with putting UH-TTU in F-tier. Tech is the one old SWC school (besides Rice) who has acknowledged our existence, so there is a large amount of familiarity. Not to mention a lot of games have been feisty (especially the last 3 football games), increasing any general dislike the fanbases had for each other. Personally, I would have put it in C-tier. For UCF, I agree that it is F-tier but there is more animosity on the UCF side than us (but not on Civil Conflict level). I can't speak for everyone but a lot of UH fans just find UCF fans annoying and loud, so this has felt more like a game you don't want to lose than one you need to win for "bragging rights". Now one "newly-formed" rivalry involving UH that I think is most likely to happen is UH-Baylor. As you already covered, many UH fans still hold a grudge against them for being snubbed in the original Big 12, not to mention Art Briles, RG3, the 2020 FB game cancellation, etc. Not to mention the incredibly opposite, contrasting styles of both schools with BU being more traditional in a small town, while UH is more urban literally right next to downtown of the 4th most-populous city in the country. Doesn't hurt that both teams are incredibly good at basketball and incredibly inconsistent at football with seasons of overperformances and just flat stinkers. Overall, I think Houston's best "new rivalries" in the new Big 12 are against the in-state schools just based on regionallism, familiarity, and the fact that everything is just bigger in the state of Texas.
I wonder if the video dude ever thought about prior conference history. I would think all match-ups between the 4 TX schools are rivalries to some extent, given their SWC history.
TCU to Tech transfer student here. These teams HATE each other. TTU sees TCU as snobs and TCU sees tech as smalltown trash. There was the whole twitter thing where a TCU AD said "Texas Tech is trying to build a brand in a desert 🌵 😂" and since then a large majority of TTU's twitter fanbase has a cacti emoji in their twitter username . 🌵
At the time, it was the TCU recruiting coordinator Bryan Carrington, who I believe is now at ASU. Fun Facts: 1. TCU inspired Texas' "Hook 'Em Horns" (during a TCU-UT pep-rally). 2. TCU inspired A&M's "Gig 'Em" (as in gigging frogs). You're welcome for our service.
From a perspective at Arizona State, ASU vs the Utah teams could be solid. ASU and Utah have definitely had some beef as of recent years (thought it’s subsided a bit with down years from ASU). I’d put it as a C or maybe B-. ASU vs BYU isn’t really a rivalry as of right now, but with such a strong BYU presence in the PHX Metro area, it could definitely spawn into one
The reason it’s “West Texas Championship” is because Fort Worth is “where the west begins” and the major historic TCU booster (Amon G Carter) is who started up Texas Tech. Tech fans seem to care much more than the Frogs, but it gets heated from time to time
I don't feel like we (WVU) have a rivalry with Cincinnati at all. They were only in the same conference for a few years in the 00s and other than that, not much to speak of. Putting it that high is crazy to me. Now when the dominoes fall and WVU-Pitt is a Big 12 rivalry, then we are talking.
Kinda suprised KU/CU didnt get recognition, same idea as KSU/CU but with KU a little ahead of CU in the rebuild, both being their states best universities for educations sake, it feels pretty natural for this one to become something worth watching.
Colorado and Oklahoma State have a history of regularly playing important and meaningful games in the Big 8/12 since they shared a Big 8 championship in 1976. I can see this game becoming a fierce rivalry with consequences and Big 12 championship percussions, not to mention Cowboys fans love traveling to Boulder and drinking my favorite beer (free-beer) in Golden at the Coors/Miller brewery.
A few that might become rivalries, BYU v TCU, BYU v ASU, BYU v AZ. BYU and TCU had some heated games year in and year out in the MWC and the Arizona schools were founding members of the WAC along with Utah.
I would like to say there is one brewing. The Cotton & Coal game. TTU vs WV. Doesn’t seem like it but it gets vicious on game week. Since joining the conference (12 games played) 6 have been won by a TD or less. If we were closer it would be even more heated.
As a BYU fan, I think TCU could be considered our rival, at least it felt that way for that brief time they shared the Mountain West. Nothing will beat the Holy War though!
BYU v Baylor does have the potential for a rivalry, both teams won when the other probably had the better team in 21 and 22, with home field being the advantage. Also, not mentioned in the video, the amount of both players and coaches moving between the two schools has been one thing that has kept it clean due to existing relationships, but yet that also could be a spark for animosity depending on what happens on the field in the future.
If Tech can get good and compete for Big 12 titles the possible rivalry with OSU will grow. Right now OSU sees Tech as a fun program with mouthy fans who only have a good season once every 3-5 years. I want to see them get good so we both can have a new main rival that has a meaningful game like bedlam and Tech vs UT used to be for both programs.
What have we learned from this? Tech has a lot of low grade hate being by far the most represented school. And the SEC can’t give a rip because they’ve already ripped our conference apart by taking Texas, Texas A&M, OU, and Missouri.
As an Iowa State fan, K-State is obviously on top. But one game that it feels like every Cyclones dreads is the game against the Cowboys. Ever since that fateful game in 2011, it feels like the Cyclones and Cowboys have it out to ruin a good season for one another. Whenever ISU is having a good stretch, they seem to get humiliated by oSu, and when the Cowboys are riding a top 10 run, Iowa St is there to drag them down to earth.
As an OSU fan.. we hate going to Ames as a highly ranked team lol but we don’t hate ISU. I don’t see us ever getting heated with ISU. I can definitely see us having important games! But in good spirit
Recent Iowa State alum here, it always seemed like the Cyclone/Cowboys game was one that we circled every year. Or at least that’s how it was for me. No animosity towards the Cowboys, just counted on it being a competitive game
Feel like you should swap BU/TT and Cincy/WVU but maybe that’s cause when I think of BU/TT I think of the shootouts a few years ago when Briles was still at Baylor.
A few I think you missed that could become interesting. Utah-TCU from the Mountain West days, ISU-Cincinnati, and ASU-ISU-OSU-KSU in the battle of ‘State’ schools. My money for future hated rivals are AZ-TTU, WVU-CIN, and any of the 6 original B12 schools vs. Colorado.
As someone going to Iowa State, I think there’s a real possibility of Kansas v Iowa State going somewhere, especially with both our football and basketball programs being very competitive
So many times, both in the big 8 and the big 12, Iowa State was especially competitive when they played KU in basketball and often won, spoiling KU's season of un bashed superiority, even when everybody else was beating ISU. ISU is an Achilles heal to KU. That being said, " Farmaggedon is fun for both K-State and ISU in football except this year's snow bowl that really stung us in Manhattan this year.
I think one that definitely exists is the Iowa State v. Kansas rivalry. Especially with basketball and how many times they've met in the conference tournament in the last decade.
From the BYU side, we like Baylor and have called it "the friendliest rivalry in sports" and enjoy it as juxtaposed to how much vitriol there is in the Holy War. The BYU - Baylor game should be known as the "Bible Bash Bowl" in my opinion, or the "Church Picnic Bowl." Definitely no hate, but bragging rights are there, plus RGIII has become a fan favorite among BYU fans for how he commentates during BYU games and when he came to Provo and hung out with BYU fans. TCU is one as an old/former conference rivalry. I think that one will develop stronger as the years go on and become an A list. From the MWC days, it was A list, at least from the BYU side (can't speak for TCU), so shouldn't take too long to get back there again. In recent years games with both AZ schools have become a little testy. I could see at least ASU if not both becoming at least C list rivalries and possibly B level.
The Tech Baylor game and the TCU game will probably grow. Joey was an assistant at Baylor and after last years game and this game there’s hate between these teams. I said TCU because Joey seemed to really dislike Sonny Dykes. I think the OSU game will probably grow due to pushing by the Big XII until it becomes a real rivalry just like the SEC with the Battle Line ( Arkansas vs Mizzuo)
As a Tech Fan via Wife; BUTT Bowl is at the same level as TCU, both Baylor and TCU came up as Tech was going down in the standings. All the others are correct spots with maybe AZ is too high. They can go higher, just depends on who we decide to hate most first. I’d also add TTU/ASU, but kept at an F for now as they have the same Border Conference background. The reality is that that conference folded 60 years ago.
As a Tech alumni, I don't think of Houston as a rival right now. Although, the last few games have been entertaining. To be fair, I was not alive to witness the SWC days.
@@lostinrabbithole12In Texas we don't think in national terms. When we refer to Fort Worth as the beginning of the West we're talking about the culture of Texas. FW is the first place you start to see real cowboys in the state.
@dariusrucker7854 I know what it's trying to say, all I'm saying is that the phrase "Gateway to the West" is taken. I assume Fort Worth has a different nickname though
Texas Tech is tied with Colorado in feats. Both are passionate, rowdy fanbases that know how to party. Deion Sanders and Joey McGuire love to brag, but also view the field in two opposing mindsets (offense/defense). These schools can now recruit at a high level. Their future games are going to be ugly with a high powered Buffalo offense taking on a fast, violent Red Raider defense. Lubbock and Boulder are extremely hostile environments to play in. Expect gloating and hard feelings from these two. It's either that or Texas Tech will jab at a natural villain like Utah. Clearly from this video, if Tech played the villain, maybe this conference would be a bit less bland.
There's a lot of animosity towards Utah which may or may not be deservered, as a Utah fan its an honor to have the villain role trusted upon us lol. For us though and I'm sure BYU fans nothing is more heated than the Holy War!
Tech is isolated, thus the tightness of the fan base/student population is unlike most schools in Texas. Tech fans are loud and proud and it rubs other fan bases the wrong way. Especially when the fans show up in force in the opposition stadiums. But we don’t care. We support our school and back our own.
I think Tech hates everyone. As a TCU fan, we like playing Tech and rooting for them (when it's not vs us). Although, my parents met at Tech, so my POV may be skewed. 🐸😉
This was a fantastic video! As a BYU fan, I obviously agree that the Holy War is S tier. But I would urge you to reconsider your position on the BYU/Baylor rivalry! While most rivalries are characterized by disgust and vitriol, I don’t think it’s a bad thing for one to be permeated with good will. In fact, I think it makes for a very unique and steady rivalry! Obviously there’s no history between the teams (yet), but I think it can grow into a great A tier rivalry. By the way, with the religious affiliations of both schools, the best name I’ve heard for the rivalry so far is the Bible Bash 😊
Texas Tech and Houston is more a Basketball rivalry than a football one. Many Tech students are from Houston as well, so the beef point is between the "commuter school" in UH and the "middle of nowhere school" in Tech, sort of a country vs city rivalry. I hope the football side propigates more, but the basketball side of the rivalry will be electric!
As a Utah fan I hate how close Houston's logo is to our interlocking U logo, and their colors are basicly the same. It's a battle for who deserves the identity!
😂 That could be funny, especially if there's a time down the road where the two face off in the conference championship (I know, difficult to think of Houston going there).
So basically there aren’t any rivalries for a non Big 12 fan to tune into other than the Holy War. Yormark needed to schedule and encourage these because that’s what gets the conference attention.
ISU v Cincy may turn into a good one - I was surprised how much traction this got this year and already has been dubbed the “Chili Bowl” based on both regions’ unique chili dishes
Before Fort Worth was swallowed up by the DFW Metroplex, it was known as 'where the west begins.' Which explains why it would be playing Tech for the championship of west Texas.
I think the first new rivalry will be Arizona-Kansas. Naturally, this will start as an insanely talented basketball rivalry but could easily become a spicy football game with Jedd Fisch at Arizona and Lance Leipold at Kansas having those two schools on the up and up.
Fisch is definitely leaving after next year
@@Bravesfan12345How do you know that! His wife is tired of moving and they like Tucson! Stop talking out of both sides of your neck!
@@davidgeorge1664Arizona AD’s burner account lol
@@davidgeorge1664 i have a feeling your an Arizona fan
I agree with this. It was already a pretty heated non con rivalry among the hoops fans. They often competed for similar recruits. If both teams continue to win on the gridiron, the basketball barbs will quickly spill over.
Houston vs TCU. This is based on the utter hatred the city of Houston has for DFW and the utter indifference that DFW has for Houston. It is compounded by Cowboys vs Texans, Astros vs Rangers, and Mavericks vs Rockets. It will carry over into the Big XII
Maybe. There was a small rivalry between UH and SMU, so idk if it will translate to TCU
That's so true. People in Houston HATE Dallas. They don't care as much about fort worth, but man they just dallas. Most people DFW don't think about Houston
I think that most of Texas just hates Dallas.
As a Houston native who is an Ok State fan. You have no idea how much I hate DFW it’s literally trained and instilled in all of us. If any Houston region person mentions they don’t mind DFW they get crapped on by everyone for even saying that. At Ok State I actually refused to go to the TCU away games bc I don’t want to step foot in that city.
@@JTMont21I’d beg to differ. At Ok State there is a lot of DFW people there and I mean a lot. I’d mention I’m from Houston and they are like I can not stand that city and I’m like feelings mutual. This last year with the Astros vs Rangers ALCS I wore my Astro stuff around and I got a lot of people chirping at me. So the DFW area does hate Houston but definitely not to the same extent that Houston hates Dallas.
BYU VS TCU and Utah VS TCU is a rivalry that will become a rivalry again. BYU, Utah, and TCU were great rivals during the Mountain West Era because we were always competing for the Mountain West title. I feel like BYU fans still have a little bit of a chip on their shoulder from TCU. And I feel like that rivalry is going to be rekindled especially if all three teams find success in the BIG 12.
I was gonna say BYU vs TCU is so easy to make a rivalry based on name alone. They could call it the missionary game or something along that line
Utah and TCU will renew their RIVALRY, ever since TCU joined the MWC, you could see how much they didn’t like each other in football!!!
I'm a Utah fan in football, and i wish we played these 4 teams every single year. Oklahoma State, TCU, Arizona, and byu
As a lifelong TCU fan, I can’t wait for these 2 games again, it’s also why I wished the Big 12 would have gotten Boise State as well.
Funny enough, WVU and ISU have a friendly relationship in baseball and softball. WVU has a baseball team but no softball while ISU has the opposite. The two teams cheered for each other last year and have a fun relationship on social media
Isu Fan here and id have to say the weird attempt at making the riot bowl honestly made me like WVU. I cheer for WVU as long as they aren't playing ISU. It was backfired in a good way in that it created solidarity instead of division.
WVU fan here, I can confirm that every Iowa-Iowa St game I root for ISU. I had no idea cyclone fans felt the same lol
I do see the possibility of a slight rivalry tho since previous meetings have been so close. Even going back to 2012-2013 we had some close games
@@ksmithhisu fan here hey that’s something we can agree on that Iowa sucks lol
@@RedCrimson-ry1oo just as long as you’ll root against Pitt with us lol
@@ksmithh deal
Hey thank you for the shoutout man I appreciate it! I definitely think the UCF rivalry is very hostile at the moment but the travel thing absolutely hurts it. That being said I really hope the West Virginia rivalry takes off because both schools need each other since they’re isolated from the entire conference.
As a WVU fan, I want it to become something, but I honestly get more hate online when I say I want it to become something than I think actual hatred from our fanbase that goes the way of Cincy. As more games are played some hatred will definitely grow, but I will also say that for a lot of our fanbase there's almost so much hatred thrown the way of pitt/Virginia Tech that a lot don't have much room in their heart for another. I think if UC was added in around 2016 that would of been a time where our fanbase would of been more okay with calling it a rivalry, we weren't even back to playing the Brawl in Basketball yet at that point and the football series at that point in time was still years away.
I agree with you Cole coming from a UCF Guy. The only other team (outside of USF) we played that felt significantly emotionally charged with both the fans and the players was Cinci. I feel naturally that seems like it would remain UCFs only real 'rivalry' at this point
@@joshlongstreet3044personally as a UCF student I didn’t even know we were considered rivals until this year when we played. Compared to the war on i4 the amount of emotion and fan energy is nowhere near the same level
The ASU/Arizona rivalry is called the Territorial Cup because it started in the 1890s before Arizona became a state in 1912. It's not the oldest rivalry, but it is the oldest rivalry trophy. It is one nasty rivalry. It goes beyond athletics and academics. It is political, it is civic, it is, literally, territorial. The cities of Phoenix, which Tempe is a suburb of, and Tucson hate each other. It can be very very nasty.
I think this would be amazing as a series analyzing all the rivalries in each conference now that they’re starting to solidify. Ranking Rivalries or something
Please make a stand-alone video about the holy war, between Utah and BYU. There is so much history behind it and is one of the most heated rivalries out there.
Tech and Osu need to realize they are a friendlyish rivalry. They love playing each other and are too much like each other to not form something
We (OkState) do feel that way.. we see it as a friendly rival.
We only hate OU and Texas
(And Texas am)
@@billylocke9633Exactly. As a Tech alumnus, I can say we absolutely abhor anything related to that school down in College Station, but that is in the past. Ut-Austin? Not a fan. OU? Meh. OSU? We are like brothers. Sure, sometimes we get into a fight, but if anyone else says anything about them, we’ve got their back and we know they’ve got ours.
As a tech fan we don’t appreciate osu(seeing as they stole almost every tradition tech has) but it’s not a hatred
@ryansunderman8764 and we enjoy beating you every year 😘
@@billylocke9633 Agree the Taco Tossers always had the hated short horns to hate while the Pokes have always hated the dirt burglars in Snorman. Cowboys fans don't hate aTm, we just enjoy beating them whenever we get a chance to play them.
As a UCF fan, I definitely feel like UCF- Houston is trying to be forced based on both schools being the "Space U". Even when we were both in the American, we just treated it like a normal game. Now the Cincy rivalry is the total opposite. We really have nothing in common, we just naturally formed a rivalry since we always competed for American Championships. Still though, I do miss the War on I-4 between USF the most, is was always a close game no matter how bad or good each team was. I wish we had it as a permanent non-conference rival like Florida-FSU.
Agreed. As a UH fan the whole space u thing is so random. For UH, Tech would be a better fit. Both schools are Tx state schools denied PUF fund (permanent university fund) money from the state so we have to scratch for every penny we can. Kindred spirits.
Do you think UCF-TCU could develop into something, given the recent successes of both programs in football?
It’s really just like “oh cool we’re both closely related to space” then you think nothing else of it
For anyone around UCF from 2005-2013, they understand why UCF vs Hou can have legs.
Years ago, there was a heated TCU-Utah rivalry, when those schools dominated the Mountain West and were breaking through the BCS when they weren’t P5/P4
I feel like Iowa State vs Kansas is a pretty good rivalry, both on the court and on the field.
I love these rivalry videos. I’d be super interested to see a video like this for other conferences. Especially the SEC. I’m a Texas fan so seeing our game with A&M come back next year has me really excited, tho I would say all of Texas considers Oklahoma our main rival. I’m also very interested to watch the Big 12 next year, as I grew up watching my team play against most of what is the big 12 I feel like I have a soft spot to watch where y’all go from here. I know there’s a lot of animosity around the whole SEC thing, which I do think is better for both parties, but I’ll always appreciate the Big 12 teams we would face in the 2000s and 2010s. Wish y’all the best.
Don't let the door hit ya where the good Lord split ya! 😂
I can see ASU vs BYU being an intense rivalry from this point on. Heaven Or Hell
They were both WAC members. Did you forget that?
I think if the Big 12 adds Virginia Tech the VT vs WVU rivalry would skyrocket to the top of this list. Great video though!
Same with Pittsburgh, I think the Backyard Brawl would gain more national attention in the Big 12.
I mean, rivalries with Pitt, Cincy, and VT could catapult WVU back into those Big East glory days.
people don’t realize that the holy war is what most people call the ohio state michigan rivalry of the west
As a Texan, I remember houston and TT having some beef just because they were both the overlooked air raid school who is more well known for basketball in Texas. I think it will probably end up being Houston's #1 rivalry and TT's #2 after TCU within 5 years of the new big 12. Also I-35 is pretty much the dividing point for west Texas and central TX even though it's in the middle of the state so TCU is pretty much the start of west Texas.
Personally think Tech/TCU should be in A. That rivalry is one season of both teams being great away from it becoming a must watch battle!
I'd classify it as a friendly rivalry, but it definitely produces some good games! Although, my POV is because my wife is a TCU grad, we have season tickets, and my parents met at Tech. Every Tech @ TCU game I've been to has been intense and close, except for that 2014 stomping. 😉
@@grondheroFriendly? 🤣 You say that like the Sand Aggys don't infect tortillas with STDs.
As an Oklahoma State fan, the one team that really bothers me in the Big XII is Iowa State. It feels like the years where we can truly be in the national conversation, Iowa State ruins it (See: 2011, 2021, and an argument can be made for 2023 and 2018 as well). However, this is probably a one sided rivalry. ISU fans I imagine find it funny that they can upset a team that needed wins like air when it really matters for OSU. However when the game means nothing, OSU dominates.
As an ISU fan it almost feels like ISU and OSU are squabbling siblings. We are both AG and Engineering focused universities that are often overshadowed by a larger in-state university. We both have football programs that play a physical brand of football led by the two longest tenured head coaches at their respective schools in the Big 12.
I don’t really hate ISU… I more so hate going to Ames as a highly ranked team lol
Yeah that sums up my feelings with it, always fun when you guys come to Ames and are doing well. I am sorry you guys don’t have bedlam though.
@@carsonanton1649Bedlam will continue in wrestling and that is a different animal.
@@richardmckinney4963 Given the number of non conference games, proximity, and better than average fan interest for non-conference games; seems decent odds basketball, softball, baseball, and potentially multiple of the non revenue sports plausibly continue Bedlam out of conference. The low number of nonconference football games is the first problem, then there is the issue that generally much of what is left is are tune up games that OU/OSU are generally better than you need for that most years.
Baylor/Houston I imagine will develop as a basketball rivalry considering they’re arguably the two most successful basketball programs in Texas. I’m sure that Houston would love to demolish Baylor and Baylor would love to demolish Houston. The seeds for hate I think are there, they just need to grow into something extremely competitive.
Arizona State vs West Virginia
That shot on their first day in the Big XII was something to watch
The thing about the potential Colorado vs Tech rivalry is that those are two programs with hard core wild fan bases. Lubbock and Boulder are two places you might get a beer dumped on you if you find yourself in the wrong section. I'd say it go t off for sure.
Arizona State vs Arizona's very intense Territorial Cup Rivalry started in 1899. It's the NCAA oldest cup series.
From a Utah perspective you might want to add TCU vs Utah since they both entered the old Power 5 at the same time from the Mountain West where they fought for the championship there in the 2000s (Whittingham was coaching then too). I have a soft spot for the Horned Frogs because of that (regardless of the fact they are legitimately the reason Utes do not wear black in day games).
Our biggest rival in the Pac 12 was definitely USC because of the old division set up and the fact that neither fanbase loves the other. Colorado was a nothing rivalry that could not be manufactured into one.
I was going to say TCU-Utah for the same reasons.
I agree, I lived in LA as a ute fan for a bit and I got nothing but anger from SC fans. Definitely gonna miss those games. SC was much more of a rivalry than colorado was. Colorado was never a rivalry more of a game that I prayed we wouldn’t choke at the end of the season. It’s unfortunate that most of the teams I looked forward to playing each year will be going to the big10. TCU will be fun to play again though along w the school down south
As a trojans fan i think that if the pac did not dissolve there could have been a chance that SC and Utah could have been full on rivals. I also think that if the rivalry had developed, it would have been the same energy as the USC Stanford rivalry
@@bobcatboi314I hate U$C. So glad they've sucked the last 15 years and I love watching them fall apart under the weight of unrealistic expectations and coaches that try to cut corners to win championships
@@Blasthole what does this have to do with the conversation?
The minute I saw, “Uh oh, that boy’s XII Posting Again!” I knew the video was going to be good.
As an LSU fan, I find the idea of manufacturing rivalries super interesting. The SEC tried this with LSU vs. Texas A&M, and the results have been mixed. Most of the animosity (in my memory) came from 70-point shootout in 2019. I also think there tends to be a mini rivalry between any schools of bordering states regardless of history. But overall, I don't see the rivalry quite like LSU-Alabama or LSU-Ole Miss. It will be interesting to see what comes of the LSU-A&M rivalry once Texas and Oklahoma join the SEC.
With a collection of teams this new you might as well lean on some of the rivalries that do have some history even if it isn’t recent like Arizona-Texas Tech and Utah-Colorado
I mean hindsight is 20-20 but as an Aggie I'll say we consider you guys rivals, given the series is 32-24 and we've played so many games. It's not quite Lone Star Showdown level, but definitely a bigger rivalry then South Carolina and maybe because yall have been more successful recently, but it's bigger than the SouthWest Classic game. But you could also attribute that to A&M's utter domination with it being in a "neutral site" for the last 15 years. I'd say it's our secondary rivalry.
Houston v UCF needs to be an annual regular season neutral site matchup on the moon
Hopeing kstate and TCU can get a little rivalry going in the upcoming years. 2022 was pretty good in football along with the following basketball season. We will have to see though
As long as TCU wins more often than not. 🐸
Battle of the Purple Bloods
ACC fan here(Syracuse) I’ve been watching the big 12 for awhile now as I’m a basketball fan. The big 12 rivalries are really fun to watch, most of them are competitive and have great environments. The ACC rivalries have seemed to really die down with the loss of the old guard coaches and just not putting out the same quality of teams as we used to.
thats true but there's so much more tradition in ACC rivalries (big east / tobacco road) etc it makes up for it, also a lot of these big 12 programs aren't nationally relevant in most sports
im so mad west virginia isn't in the ACC
@@klip8726
WVU fan here. We like it in the B12. Really miss our old matchups. We had some heated yearly rivalries with Pitt, VT, and Syracuse. Miami, BC, and Louisville were always marked on the calendar as well. In a lot of ways we seem to fit well with the B12 schools. Just never have established the same tensions that we had with our old BE foes. Miss you all.
@@klip8726We know.
The Butt Bowl shout automatically be B tier
Texas Tech vs. TCU rivalry will be A tier. That horns down energy has to go somewhere. We already got the cactus emoji from it. Thank you by the way :).
I just hope it will be friendly, yet intense. And that we can have a 2014 repeat. 🐸
this just makes me wish memphis was in the conference even more, it would add another big game between the old AAC teams
I’m a Texas Tech fan and I’d move the Houston/Tech rivalry up to at least D tier if not C
Same
I’d be interested to see this sort of thing for the SEC
Arizona State and BYU are jawing each other throats while Colorado is also having some beef with them as well…
I think Kansas/BYU will become a rivalry. The KC area has a large mormon population so there will be travel. It takes time to get these new rivalries going, but they will happen. There is a lot of parity, so there is going to be a lot of spoiling of the other teams season going on it won't take long.
The Big "can't count past" 12 is screwing things up with the yearly rivalry thing by only keeping four!
Somebody should remind them what happened to the Western Athletic Conference when they were 16 teams, tampering with rivalries.
The lack of Leastern Time Zone schools is also hurting this conference. Central Florida being an "island" (like what West Virginia went through) is unacceptable!
What needs to be done is simple.
1. Three yearly rivalries per school.
2. Rotate with remaining 12. Keep it at 9 conference games so it only takes two years to play the remaining 12. 4 years for home and home.
3. Here is the list of rivalries that need to be yearly:
Arizona vs. Arizona State
Arizona vs. Oklahoma State
Colorado vs. Oklahoma State
Colorado vs. Utah
Kansas State vs. Colorado
Kansas State vs. Kansas
Iowa State vs. Cincinnati
Iowa State vs. Kansas State
TCU vs. Houston
TCU vs. Texas Tech
Texas Tech vs. Baylor
Texas Tech vs. Houston
West Virginia vs. Central Florida
West Virginia vs. Kansas
Utah vs. Arizona State
Utah vs. BYU
Arizona State vs. BYU
Baylor vs. TCU
BYU vs. Arizona
Central Florida vs. Cincinnati
Cincinnati vs. West Virginia
Houston vs. Baylor
Kansas vs. Iowa State
Oklahoma State vs. Central Florida
TCU v BYU and TCU v Utah have some degree of rivalry from the competitive games played while in the Mountain West conference.
Holy War is considered one of the top best names to ever exist but BYU and Utah go back and forth of not playing each other at times but only usually a yr or two years off and then they go at it. BYU fans will claim they own the full series as well as Utah fans claim they own the series. Its a never ending fight! Utah leads 59-32-4 in the Holy War. Utah heavily dominated for so many years when it first was around. Byu dominated when Lavell Edwards came in and help it gain back some of the blue claim. Utah Byu will forever be a massive rivalry for the state of Utah.
To add some context in the last 20 years utah has dominated. Gotta make sure to twist the blade every chance i can.
yeah but who has a national championship win
Another great video! Like the style of video with less of the script!
I think The Revivalry is a funny name for a rivalry but it totally makes sense. I think you nailed that S tier
As a ttu fan, I think a rivalry with Houston is brewing, we’ve played quite a few times in the last few years and I think a lot of tech fans would welcome it. Give it a few years and I think it’ll start to become more heated between us and Houston.
Arizona fan here! We only really care about playing VS ASU in football. We are much better at football now, but honestly, if we went 1-11 but the one win was vs ASU, Tucson would be chill with is. I am sure ASU fans would say the same about beating UA. Anecdotally, i have talked about the tech rivalry renewal with a lot of other UA alum, and aside from being a fun novelty, nobody is taking it very seriously.
I agree as an asu fan
So as a Tech fan, I’ll give you we don’t have an “a” rival after Texas left, but I’d move the BUTT bowl and Dust Bowl (Tech/OSU) up one each, but I don’t think the Dust Bowl is that far away from being “B” tier either. Also the Houston Rivalry should at least be “D” tier or maybe even “C”. It has got some potential. Lastly, the TCU game has recently spiked and had potential to become “A” soon.
ASU/BYU and ASU/Utah you really need to look at those old rivalries
Maybe but ASU/UA hate each other
@@davidgeorge1664literally hate each other
That goes for fans and players alike
It is on the Michigan and the team up north type of hatred
@@CounselorMalcolm that it is! Tucson we call ASU Asshole State University
@@CounselorMalcolm the hatred between ASU and the dirty T is unmatched
Tech vs UH should be an annual game. It’ll be a great basketball rivalry as well. Tech vs OSU if marketed correctly, could become an exciting yearly match up as well. Two of the best and loudest stadiums in the B12. Two excellent baseball programs too.
11 months late to this vid, but as someone who grew up a TTU fan and lives in Lubbock, OK state is a new/friendly rivalry, we hate baylor and TCU but not nearly as much as a&m and UT. Nobody in lubbock cares about Houston, that isn’t a rivalry really at all imo
In order from tech’s pov, I’d say rivals in the B12 are Baylor, TCU, OSU, Arizona. Could see the Colorado thing happening. That game was pretty heated between fanbases this year
As a Texas Tech fan we lost our two rivals in UT & A&M
Revivalry was huge in 2014/15. Other than that, it’s going to be difficult to see which rivalries grow in this conference. Part of why so many of these traditional rivalries occurred was because of regional location of the two schools and just absolute hate. Hard to have a rivalry be born if everyone’s ‘meh’ with each other
Border showdown was such a great rivalry, wish they’d bring it back.
They have kind of brought it back in basketball, but it’s not the same as when we were both in the BIG 12.
Love the video. Some of these are just conference opponents, not rivalries. Everyone in the conference doesn't have to be a rivalry.
As a Houston fan, I disagree with putting UH-TTU in F-tier. Tech is the one old SWC school (besides Rice) who has acknowledged our existence, so there is a large amount of familiarity. Not to mention a lot of games have been feisty (especially the last 3 football games), increasing any general dislike the fanbases had for each other. Personally, I would have put it in C-tier.
For UCF, I agree that it is F-tier but there is more animosity on the UCF side than us (but not on Civil Conflict level). I can't speak for everyone but a lot of UH fans just find UCF fans annoying and loud, so this has felt more like a game you don't want to lose than one you need to win for "bragging rights".
Now one "newly-formed" rivalry involving UH that I think is most likely to happen is UH-Baylor. As you already covered, many UH fans still hold a grudge against them for being snubbed in the original Big 12, not to mention Art Briles, RG3, the 2020 FB game cancellation, etc. Not to mention the incredibly opposite, contrasting styles of both schools with BU being more traditional in a small town, while UH is more urban literally right next to downtown of the 4th most-populous city in the country. Doesn't hurt that both teams are incredibly good at basketball and incredibly inconsistent at football with seasons of overperformances and just flat stinkers.
Overall, I think Houston's best "new rivalries" in the new Big 12 are against the in-state schools just based on regionallism, familiarity, and the fact that everything is just bigger in the state of Texas.
UCF will continue to own UH. They have beaten UH 27-13 since 2005
im also a houston fan and i think would should make BYU rivals because they are cougars too
I wonder if the video dude ever thought about prior conference history. I would think all match-ups between the 4 TX schools are rivalries to some extent, given their SWC history.
BYU vs Houston "Cougar Bowl" would be amazing as a UH fan 💀
TCU to Tech transfer student here. These teams HATE each other. TTU sees TCU as snobs and TCU sees tech as smalltown trash. There was the whole twitter thing where a TCU AD said "Texas Tech is trying to build a brand in a desert 🌵 😂" and since then a large majority of TTU's twitter fanbase has a cacti emoji in their twitter username . 🌵
At the time, it was the TCU recruiting coordinator Bryan Carrington, who I believe is now at ASU.
Fun Facts:
1. TCU inspired Texas' "Hook 'Em Horns" (during a TCU-UT pep-rally).
2. TCU inspired A&M's "Gig 'Em" (as in gigging frogs).
You're welcome for our service.
Ranking TCU's rivals:
1. Baylor
2. Tech and SMU (tie)
3. UH, BYU, and Utah (tie)
I think we hate SMU more than Tech (Definitely not saying that because I like Tech and TCU)
The obvious bias for farmageddon is crazy. Putting TTU v TCU as a B tier and ISU v KSU as an A tier is absurd
From a perspective at Arizona State, ASU vs the Utah teams could be solid. ASU and Utah have definitely had some beef as of recent years (thought it’s subsided a bit with down years from ASU). I’d put it as a C or maybe B-. ASU vs BYU isn’t really a rivalry as of right now, but with such a strong BYU presence in the PHX Metro area, it could definitely spawn into one
Byu and Utah is gonna be the best football rivalry in this conference for a looooong time
Well at least until Utah figures out how to get into the B1G, maybe a SMU type kiss in 2030.😱😂🔥🤣
The reason it’s “West Texas Championship” is because Fort Worth is “where the west begins” and the major historic TCU booster (Amon G Carter) is who started up Texas Tech. Tech fans seem to care much more than the Frogs, but it gets heated from time to time
I don't feel like we (WVU) have a rivalry with Cincinnati at all. They were only in the same conference for a few years in the 00s and other than that, not much to speak of. Putting it that high is crazy to me. Now when the dominoes fall and WVU-Pitt is a Big 12 rivalry, then we are talking.
When Colorado has buzz, Utah v Colorado is an A Tier rivalry in my opinion
Kinda suprised KU/CU didnt get recognition, same idea as KSU/CU but with KU a little ahead of CU in the rebuild, both being their states best universities for educations sake, it feels pretty natural for this one to become something worth watching.
You say F tier, but I was there when Houston played Tech last, student section, front row. 💀
But that game sucked
Tech vs WVU the John Denver bowl. Both school joke about it kinda seems like a C tier rivalry
And now we have "Rocky Mountain High Colorado" in the mix!
Colorado and Oklahoma State have a history of regularly playing important and meaningful games in the Big 8/12 since they shared a Big 8 championship in 1976. I can see this game becoming a fierce rivalry with consequences and Big 12 championship percussions, not to mention Cowboys fans love traveling to Boulder and drinking my favorite beer (free-beer) in Golden at the Coors/Miller brewery.
Cincy fan here: I think you should switch UC/UCF and UC/WVU in the list for right now. Maybe in the future they go to where you put them. Great video!
Houston v Tech has been really competitive for the last few years. I think it'll be a fun game, but who knows if it's a rivalry.
A few that might become rivalries, BYU v TCU, BYU v ASU, BYU v AZ. BYU and TCU had some heated games year in and year out in the MWC and the Arizona schools were founding members of the WAC along with Utah.
Definitely do B1G rivalries next…just look up how many trophy games there are it’s kind of ridiculous.
I would like to say there is one brewing. The Cotton & Coal game. TTU vs WV. Doesn’t seem like it but it gets vicious on game week. Since joining the conference (12 games played) 6 have been won by a TD or less. If we were closer it would be even more heated.
TTU Vs WVU has the history with John Denver as well. John Denver attended tech and wrote Take Me Home, Country Roads. Winner claims him lmao.
Kansas X Houston should become a strong basketball rivalry
As a BYU fan, I think TCU could be considered our rival, at least it felt that way for that brief time they shared the Mountain West. Nothing will beat the Holy War though!
BYU v Baylor does have the potential for a rivalry, both teams won when the other probably had the better team in 21 and 22, with home field being the advantage. Also, not mentioned in the video, the amount of both players and coaches moving between the two schools has been one thing that has kept it clean due to existing relationships, but yet that also could be a spark for animosity depending on what happens on the field in the future.
Houston fan over here, in my experience I have noticed there was more hate for UT than other schools. Not really to other Texas schools.
If Tech can get good and compete for Big 12 titles the possible rivalry with OSU will grow. Right now OSU sees Tech as a fun program with mouthy fans who only have a good season once every 3-5 years. I want to see them get good so we both can have a new main rival that has a meaningful game like bedlam and Tech vs UT used to be for both programs.
What have we learned from this? Tech has a lot of low grade hate being by far the most represented school. And the SEC can’t give a rip because they’ve already ripped our conference apart by taking Texas, Texas A&M, OU, and Missouri.
As an Iowa State fan, K-State is obviously on top. But one game that it feels like every Cyclones dreads is the game against the Cowboys. Ever since that fateful game in 2011, it feels like the Cyclones and Cowboys have it out to ruin a good season for one another. Whenever ISU is having a good stretch, they seem to get humiliated by oSu, and when the Cowboys are riding a top 10 run, Iowa St is there to drag them down to earth.
As an OSU fan.. we hate going to Ames as a highly ranked team lol but we don’t hate ISU. I don’t see us ever getting heated with ISU. I can definitely see us having important games! But in good spirit
Recent Iowa State alum here, it always seemed like the Cyclone/Cowboys game was one that we circled every year. Or at least that’s how it was for me. No animosity towards the Cowboys, just counted on it being a competitive game
Feel like you should swap BU/TT and Cincy/WVU but maybe that’s cause when I think of BU/TT I think of the shootouts a few years ago when Briles was still at Baylor.
A few I think you missed that could become interesting. Utah-TCU from the Mountain West days, ISU-Cincinnati, and ASU-ISU-OSU-KSU in the battle of ‘State’ schools.
My money for future hated rivals are AZ-TTU, WVU-CIN, and any of the 6 original B12 schools vs. Colorado.
As someone going to Iowa State, I think there’s a real possibility of Kansas v Iowa State going somewhere, especially with both our football and basketball programs being very competitive
So many times, both in the big 8 and the big 12, Iowa State was especially competitive when they played KU in basketball and often won, spoiling KU's season of un bashed superiority, even when everybody else was beating ISU. ISU is an Achilles heal to KU. That being said, " Farmaggedon is fun for both K-State and ISU in football except this year's snow bowl that really stung us in Manhattan this year.
I think one that definitely exists is the Iowa State v. Kansas rivalry. Especially with basketball and how many times they've met in the conference tournament in the last decade.
Would you be willing to make a video about the best group of 5 rivalrys? I really enjoy your content keep it up!
From the BYU side, we like Baylor and have called it "the friendliest rivalry in sports" and enjoy it as juxtaposed to how much vitriol there is in the Holy War. The BYU - Baylor game should be known as the "Bible Bash Bowl" in my opinion, or the "Church Picnic Bowl." Definitely no hate, but bragging rights are there, plus RGIII has become a fan favorite among BYU fans for how he commentates during BYU games and when he came to Provo and hung out with BYU fans.
TCU is one as an old/former conference rivalry. I think that one will develop stronger as the years go on and become an A list. From the MWC days, it was A list, at least from the BYU side (can't speak for TCU), so shouldn't take too long to get back there again.
In recent years games with both AZ schools have become a little testy. I could see at least ASU if not both becoming at least C list rivalries and possibly B level.
Things were also testy with the Arizona schools during the WAC era.
The Tech Baylor game and the TCU game will probably grow. Joey was an assistant at Baylor and after last years game and this game there’s hate between these teams. I said TCU because Joey seemed to really dislike Sonny Dykes. I think the OSU game will probably grow due to pushing by the Big XII until it becomes a real rivalry just like the SEC with the Battle Line ( Arkansas vs Mizzuo)
Great video!
As a Tech Fan via Wife;
BUTT Bowl is at the same level as TCU, both Baylor and TCU came up as Tech was going down in the standings.
All the others are correct spots with maybe AZ is too high. They can go higher, just depends on who we decide to hate most first.
I’d also add TTU/ASU, but kept at an F for now as they have the same Border Conference background. The reality is that that conference folded 60 years ago.
As a Tech alumni, I don't think of Houston as a rival right now. Although, the last few games have been entertaining. To be fair, I was not alive to witness the SWC days.
Fort Worth claims they are the “gate way to the west” definitely not geographically west Texas. They are fairly close to where the line would start
How dare they call themselves that! St. Louis needs to know about this
We call it that because that's where the culture shifts to West Texas.
@@lostinrabbithole12In Texas we don't think in national terms. When we refer to Fort Worth as the beginning of the West we're talking about the culture of Texas. FW is the first place you start to see real cowboys in the state.
@dariusrucker7854 I know what it's trying to say, all I'm saying is that the phrase "Gateway to the West" is taken. I assume Fort Worth has a different nickname though
@@lostinrabbithole12 ah I gotcha. The FW slogan is, “Where the west begins”
Texas Tech is tied with Colorado in feats. Both are passionate, rowdy fanbases that know how to party. Deion Sanders and Joey McGuire love to brag, but also view the field in two opposing mindsets (offense/defense). These schools can now recruit at a high level. Their future games are going to be ugly with a high powered Buffalo offense taking on a fast, violent Red Raider defense. Lubbock and Boulder are extremely hostile environments to play in. Expect gloating and hard feelings from these two. It's either that or Texas Tech will jab at a natural villain like Utah. Clearly from this video, if Tech played the villain, maybe this conference would be a bit less bland.
There's a lot of animosity towards Utah which may or may not be deservered, as a Utah fan its an honor to have the villain role trusted upon us lol. For us though and I'm sure BYU fans nothing is more heated than the Holy War!
Does everyone hate tech or does tech hate everyone else? They have double any team listed.
Tech is isolated, thus the tightness of the fan base/student population is unlike most schools in Texas. Tech fans are loud and proud and it rubs other fan bases the wrong way. Especially when the fans show up in force in the opposition stadiums. But we don’t care. We support our school and back our own.
I think Tech hates everyone. As a TCU fan, we like playing Tech and rooting for them (when it's not vs us). Although, my parents met at Tech, so my POV may be skewed. 🐸😉
This was a fantastic video! As a BYU fan, I obviously agree that the Holy War is S tier. But I would urge you to reconsider your position on the BYU/Baylor rivalry! While most rivalries are characterized by disgust and vitriol, I don’t think it’s a bad thing for one to be permeated with good will. In fact, I think it makes for a very unique and steady rivalry! Obviously there’s no history between the teams (yet), but I think it can grow into a great A tier rivalry. By the way, with the religious affiliations of both schools, the best name I’ve heard for the rivalry so far is the Bible Bash 😊
Texas Tech and Houston is more a Basketball rivalry than a football one. Many Tech students are from Houston as well, so the beef point is between the "commuter school" in UH and the "middle of nowhere school" in Tech, sort of a country vs city rivalry. I hope the football side propigates more, but the basketball side of the rivalry will be electric!
Why is the Houston logo in purple🤨
As a Utah fan I hate how close Houston's logo is to our interlocking U logo, and their colors are basicly the same. It's a battle for who deserves the identity!
😂 That could be funny, especially if there's a time down the road where the two face off in the conference championship (I know, difficult to think of Houston going there).
How is TCU UTAH not here?
So basically there aren’t any rivalries for a non Big 12 fan to tune into other than the Holy War. Yormark needed to schedule and encourage these because that’s what gets the conference attention.
maybe Yormark is allowing everyone to intermix for a few years to see where new rivalries land.
Also Tech isn’t in the desert exactly it’s on the edge of the Great Plains
ISU v Cincy may turn into a good one - I was surprised how much traction this got this year and already has been dubbed the “Chili Bowl” based on both regions’ unique chili dishes
Before Fort Worth was swallowed up by the DFW Metroplex, it was known as 'where the west begins.' Which explains why it would be playing Tech for the championship of west Texas.
Big ten rivalry ranking? Great video love college sports
Tech fan agrees that UH is a D Tier rivalry. They are basically Tech lite.