SMU had to sell everything but their soul to get in. Had the PAC been led by someone willing to act immediately, I felt like adding SMU and Rice plus SDSU, Fresno, Boise St. and someone else might have maybe kept Stanford and Cal from bolting. But, that wasn't the way it worked out. As soon as ESPN decides they have no further use for the ACC, things may change.
Not tragic, it is logical. Rice only had big time football because in the 1930's Texas A&M was a military college only, the NFL really wasn't a thing and other schools like the University of Houston either did not or had barely established their football programs. That is no longer the case. The University of Chicago dropped football in 1939 and moved to D3 and it has not harmed its academic prestige. Rice should also move to D3 to be with more like minded schools.
@@dgart7434 I don’t get takes like these; unless Rice actively doesn’t want to be D1, there’s no reason for them to drop to a lower level. Just because they’re not the most successful doesn’t mean they should automatically give up and copy what an individual school decided to do. Not to mention that Northwestern and Duke are prestigious universities with D1 sports (and while NW is a in power conference, it’s not like they’ve been extremely successful in big-time sports afaik)
USF alum here. I remember when the "old" BIG EAST reorganized into The American and I wasn't happy about it because it meant a drop in prestige for my Bulls after the first year of the American era (2013-present). We now have a president in Rhea Law who made sure to invest in both academics and athletics and it appears to be paying off. Judy Genshaft invested heavily in academics while all but ignoring the football program's long-term needs and we paid a heavy price for it.
As I mention below, USF was always a fish out of water in the Big East. Distant in mileage, history, and fit. And aside from one or two years, the basketball teams were terrible, an anchor on the rest of the conference. In the years when not everybody got into the Big East tournament, USF was always one of the ones that stayed home. So good luck to them, but they are Johnny-come-lately to D1 sports. It may well take another decade or two for them to become big time. Or not. Houston went from being the #2 basketball team behind UCLA to being nobody to being a football and basketball contender in the SWC to being left behind when the SWC fell apart to beind nobody again to where they are now. That was over about six decades.
@@jacobwong2230 We just broke ground on that stadium and I haven't heard any updates since. The 2024 football team just finished its regular season at 6-6 and will face San José State in the Hawai'i Bowl on Christmas Eve.
It’s bad at Temple. I didn't go there, but I had some friends who did. Half the people that go there are PSU fans, and the only game they go to is homecoming because that's the only game where there’s a good tailgate
@@maybecaz As a PSU fan, the Temple loss might have been the best thing to happen to PSU post-sanctions because it forced James Franklin to start Saquon the next week
I remember when USF first moved up from C-USA to the Big East. The University president at the time acted like it was an inconvenience; She only wanted to focus on academics.She rejected every attempt to even discuss an on campus stadium. She got her wish now. USF is an AAU university, but big time football left us behind and chose UCF instead 🤮.
UCF never stopped investing. For many years, UCF was the only school in Florida with a 120-yard indoor football practice field opened in 2005. USF opened theirs in 2022, and like their stadium, it cost probably 4 or 5 times as much UCF spent who built when hurricane code and prices were much lower. USF has bad boosters and school leadership. They always talk about how great the Bucs stadium is but do not even realize it's been passed by Dolphin stadium, which has a roof and UCF stadium, which has a beach zone and lazy river.
Yes, huge conferences has ruined great rivalries, regional pride, geographic integrity and logic, cultural and historical distinctions adding to those rivalries... even small college & high school coaching units that had geographic separation defining each school's regional uniqueness. Oh, & now there's these ridiculous 4-way ties where teams have vastly different difficulties of conf. schedules, and absurd tiebreaker rules.
The only conference that at least makes some geographical sense is the SEC, and that's not even that good because Missouri and Oklahoma are not in the South, one could make the argument for Texas as well.
as a rice student and fan, we're good at getting talent to come to rice thanks to top connections, but never good enough to utilizing them or maintain that discipline i.e. o-line, defense that being said, i am hopeful that rice can at least bounce back if there are any investments made on the athletic program which got cut heavily during 2012
Graduated in 2019. During my years, the football team went 9-40. Love the tradition and history of the program, but let's be honest .. administration and alums *for the most part* do not care about our athletics overall. Would be fun for them to turn it around and compete in the American but .. not really going to happen. Go Owls!
I read they are doing a major upgrade on the stadium and the Pac 12 is interested in Rice and Tulane as academic bait to lure Cal and Stanford back if the ACC implodes.
Temple’s situation is such an odd one. With there being a lack no prominent power conferences in the northeast like there used to be, a colossal shared-use stadium miles south of the main campus, and greater apathy towards college ball is strange. The region produces more college talent than one might think but the top recruits always go elsewhere. It’s funny to me, a Philly resident, to have watched the Power 5 snatch up schools largely due to market size (Maryland and Rutgers to the BIG10 for instance). But everyone sees Temple, a huge school in the middle of one of the largest tv markets and the country, and says, “we’ll pass.”
The thing is the Linc is not a bad BSL ride from Temple, but they are just not good enough to make people want to go . With the cost of eagles tickets nowadays , ppl would probably want to go to Temple games if they were as good as they were 10 years ago.
At least with the Big Ten... Penn State gets them in the Philly TV market. I'd imagine Penn State is the most popular college team in the Philly area too
@@UserName-ts3spit is the most popular for sports , but Temple is still a big name regionally with people coming from and going across the east coast to go there.
USF got what they deserved. Instead of being partners with their peer UCF, they acted like they were too big for them and refused to play them or let them join the Big East. Funny thing is at the time UCF was already a way better program, UCF had beaten Alabama for their homecoming and had many alumni in the NFL like Daunte Culpepper.
Yea but as he put it, nobody to blame but ourselves. It’s been bad leadership decision after bad leadership decision across the board since Rhule left for Baylor. And that’s not even accounting for before his tenure. Best chance we ever have at redemption is building a stadium, which was nixed when it was last attempted. The linc is too big and too expensive a venue for temple football. A smaller stadium on or near the geasy field complex would get us moving in a much better direction. But I doubt it ever bears fruit. New AD likely coming in, we’ll see.
I have lived on the USF rollercoaster from the beginning. It has been exhilarating at times. A lot of USF fans including myself did not see the stadium as being the issue, its an NFL stadium, it has very nice pro grade amenities, better than many BIG/SEC football stadiums. And they could recruit to play there, it was a bonus. THE ISSUE was Charlie Strong who just wanted to be an executive coach and turned over the team to his ex-Texas staff. They just didn't work and they recruited poorly, then replaced by Jeff Scott, which seemed a brilliant move, but he was hampered by Covid his first year. He actually had Florida beat in Gainesville and thru 3 horrendous plays late in the game lost. I think if he had won that game, history would be so different now. Now, we wait and see and hope, the current plan appears to be waiting for the ACC to extend an invitation. Although I would rather see the BIG12 bring us in and renew the War on I-4 rivalry with UCF.
The Matt Grothe/beating Auburn/beating West Virginia days were the pinnacle of the program. I was disappointed that Skip Holz never panned out. I thought he was a good pick and had done well with other programs.
I’m a UNC fan, and as such, I often joke about Wake Forest being the little brother of a little brother or the redheaded step-cousin of the NC ACC schools. Despite that, I really value them as a presence in the ACC and am always excited to see them beat big brothers NC State and d00k (not UNC for obvious reasons). I’m worried that with conference realignment, we might have a college sporting future where Wake Forest gets left out of NC collegiate athletic talks. They bring the state together in a way that I don’t think gets enough recognition.
Rice ran triple option during a good part of the 90s into the mid 2000s. Mainly a run heavy team similar to the service academies and the Tom Osborne/Frank Solich Nebraska teams.
Living near Philly I know first hand how bad Temple has been at football. Soth Florida will get an invite somewhere. ...maybe Big 1w?? Much stronger program. Rice since its heyday in the 40s and 50s has been pretty bad too. Maybe a long shot for Pac12? Love the video! Awesome job!
As someone in the Philadelphia area, I have no idea why Temple still has FBS football. People here who follow college football root for Penn State. Temple needs to move down to FCS. Villanova and Penn are both doing just fine down there.
They were ranked in 2015, won the AAC conference title in 2016 and won a bowl game in 2017. Temple has proven they can be successful, they just multiple unique disadvantages
Cal and Stanford saw what Rice went through and decided to not deal with all of that, though they did try to stay until it really looked like the PAC-12 was going to die and leave them, OSU and Wazzu without a conference. If the PAC-12 actually died, at least OSU and Wazzu would most definitely still be an FBS program. Cal and Stanford didn’t have that guarantee outside of the ACC.
UConn went the same faith as USF. They were already a Big East member for all sports already before they added football. Once they added football? They got an auto pass to a power conference. Another group that were power were SoCon and MVC conferences. SoCon schools had ACC and SEC teams in them before they left to formed the ACC and SEC. One of the conference before them had Texas in it as well. The MVC and Big 8 shared the same conference as both claimed they are the renamed conference of the past. Drake is the only team left from the original. To be honest. Idaho did not left on their own. The egos of the PAC 12 schools at the time fighting with each other, disbanded the conference. Then they reformed never invited Idaho or Montana back. Idaho, just like Rice, was left homeless for a bit.
Glossing over that Rice and Bama cotton bowl game is crazy!!! That game alone is worth a video, a player from Bama who was on the bench came off the sideline and tackled a Rice player who was in the midst of a house call. That in turned caused the ref to picked up the ball walk to the end zone and signal touchdown
Rice is a classic case of many smaller universities in power conferences. Early years they were very good but then as more public insitutions started to invest more into football as the 1950's began to roll around these smaller schools like Rice, Vandy, and Tulane just could not keep up
Temple only played 1 year at the Linc before being kicked out of the Big East. The Stadium opened in 2003. During their first stint, the played at the Vet.
@@zerolazer9530 They were a powerhouse in the SIAA and then the SoCon. By the time the SEC formed the game was changing and a school that small had no hope to compete, but they got in based on their history.
@jamespyle777 Absolutely. I believe the SEC's stated goal was to have all the big or powerful schools south of the Ohio and west of the Appalachians, so with W&L in Virginia they had no shot. If the ACC had formed then as well they may have been in there. Just a timing thing.
@@zerolazer9530Sewanee was referred to as "The University of the South" and held a lot of political power. Football sucked but it was a different time
I guess I never realized how much USFs athletic program was being held back by Genshaft until she left and then all of a sudden there’s been a surge in investment in the football program. An on campus stadium spears felt like a pipe dream. As a USF alumni I was very jealous watching UCFs rise in prestige with their program.
Temple I kind of feel shaky even calling power. They were always football only and only kept around in the big east as a necessity. And they were never good. Even rice had good years compared to temple.
@@kevinselloutrecords7376not just by the NCAA, but by the city as well. They had exactly a 15 month window for getting the greenlight to build an on/near-campus stadium and Rhule jumping ship for Baylor + blowback from the North Philadelphia community basically nixed any hope of that happening.
Temple alum here: Temple is a basketball school, basketball schools are generally not good at football. Nobody talks about Duke, North Carolina, or Indiana football. Which made it ironic for Temple to be in the Big East for football, but not basketball. It would be a no brainer, as they would have a rivalry with Villanova
Don't look now, but Indiana is undefeated (5-0) & ranked 23rd in football. No, I'm not an Indiana fan, but Nebraska plays them on October 19th (Indiana plays Northwestern this week, then we both have a bye week).
@@reverend_wintondupree Traditionally, Duke is not a football school, a good season will not make a football school. You cannot compare a Duke-UNC football game to with a Duke-UNC basketball game. The latter is a nationally televised event, while I just learned about the former
@@sdeepj Whose comparing and where did i claim Duke is a football school? I'm just pointing out Duke is undefeated this year in line with @augiegirl1's comment about Indiana.
I think eventually USF will pull it together just because of its size and market, I'd also like to see Rice figure things out just because it's a noble institution in a good market.
What’s the background music in the Temple part of the video? Also, I think Rice is in a bad spot but it has potential if it has funding. It’s like an SMU, with the right coach and right AD, they can get some nice recruits and market themselves as Houston’s other school.
Til about 2013. It was at this point that Fran Dunphy couldn’t coach well, and even less so scout. But Temple Athletics felt so snakebit by Rhule and Collins’ sudden departures they kept him on for basketball out of sheer loyalty.
Hey dude! I have an interesting video idea for you. It looks like there’s a real chance going into conference championship weekend that three ACC teams are undefeated in conference play. Clemson, Miami, then one of Pitt/SMU. I’d love to see what the implications would be if that scenario happened and I think you’d make a great video talking about. It kinda goes into conference realignment since there’s a real possibility for three undefeated teams in the ACC and I’m sure other conferences now and how that’ll work out in the future
The NCAA did all the American Athletic Teams dirty, especially in football. They consistently had 4-6 top 25 teams and yet the competition was always considered weak. When UCF was undefeated, I remember USF was top 20 in AP and Navy was top 25 in AP, but in the College Football Playoff Standings, they were unranked and therefore their conference was considered weak. From 2014-2020, the American was the third best football conference. Yet they were buried and cast aside. Seriously take out Clemson and compare the rest of the ACC and the AAC in that time. Temple and USF (which ironically, I've worked for both) got super screwed. If realignment happened in 2015 or 16, Temple would've been one of the first ones picked. It honestly seems like they rolled over and accepted being a bottom tier team again, USF at least feels like they are fighting for bigger things.
@@JJETTAS_Productionhonestly aside from the past decade I literally never thought about Clemson at all, Duke is a much larger brand, especially historically.
Rice's fall from grace, along with TCU and SMU (though the latter two would eventually come back), coincided with the formation of the AFL in 1960. They put the Texans (now the KC Chiefs) in Dallas and the Oilers (now the Titans) in Houston. And the NFL followed suit and put the expansion Cowboys in Dallas. Overnight, the state of Texas went from zero pro football teams to three, and the smaller private SWC schools located in or near Dallas and Houston saw their fan support drop almost as suddenly.
I’ve been a temple fan all my life (still in high school right now), and it really sucks what’s happening to us. Football’s BEEN a disaster for a while now, and we just fired Stan drayton. I’m really just hoping our starting QB doesn’t transfer, and we’re all but cooked if that happens. Defense is currently trash, offense is good but who knows about the quarterback, our best receiver is a senior and our kicker (most likely picked in the draft) is also a senior. Here’s to hoping we get a better HC and returning back to where we were before.. (Also, at least basketball is good for us, almost made the NCAA tournament last yr!)
Since 1978 here are all the schools to lose power confrence status and aren’t currently in one. Oregon State Rice South Florida Temple UConn Washington State
USF probably has as good a chance as WSU and OSU. Rice and Temple, not so much. I guess Temple could also wind up in the ACC if the potential Clemson-FSU exit causes a near-implosion.
These past few years have been hell for us beaver fans. Our commissioner embarrased us repeatedly by making lofty promises that were openly mocked, the conference collapsed around us with our in-state brethren abandoning us, and virtually every major sports team at our school imploded. Only a year before the collapse of the PAC, OSU had the distinct honor of being 1 of only two schools to have made the CWS in both baseball & softball, made the Final 4 in Soccer, made the Elite 8 in both Men and Women's Basketball AND won 10 games in a football season. The other school? Texas. We were emerging into our own in virtually every sport, and our long rebuild from the Gary Andersen days seemed a distant memory. But now? It's virtually all gone. Baseball has survived on reputation alone, but is playing virtually no home games as an independent in a sport that has driven independents extinct, while Men's Basketball survived by being so bad that there was nowhere to go but up. But our soccer programs were obliterated, softball was virtually destroyed and our Final 4 bound Women's Basketball team disintegrated into ashes. Worst though has been football. No one lost more to CFB Realignment and the transfer portal than OSU. All but 1 full time starter transferred, most of them to other power schools. Even our KICKER left, and to OREGON no less! By the time the season rolled around, injuries and the sudden lack of depth had left our program on life support. By the time our season was mercifully ended by Boise State on the blue turf, the program was in ashes. Any hopes of a path back to any form of relevance were gone, all while the ones who had helped cause this situation reaped the rewards. This season killed any love I had for college sports, especially football. It's depressing enough to lose, but to have your very right to even play at the same level that you have always played at taken away from you? And right as you had started to really compete? It brought back every bad memory of being the kid left out on the playground, every memory of being stood up at prom. Even worse was the media and other fans. The media treated our desperate cries and pleads as nothing more than a nuisance. We should simply roll over and accept our fate so they could stop being bothered about it. In the last year of the PAC12, College Gameday called OSU/WSU the "No One Wants Us" Bowl, or the "No One Watches Us Bowl" depending on who you ask, as if either statement was appropriate. And when we pushed back, ESPN retaliated by having Pat McAfee rail against us for an entire segment, as if THEY were the victims! THEN Gameday refused to go to Corvallis when we hosted Washington in a Top 10 Ranked, defacto PAC-12 Semifinal game. Their destination? JAMES MADISON! And now, it seems our rivalries with Oregon and Washington will be the next casualties, as local media have begun to openly call for the Civil War and Apple Cup to be ended in favor of "Newer and Better rivalries". As usual, newer is only ever better for everyone else, it NEVER benefits US. What ESPN and the local media (Who are mostly Oregon and UW alumni by no coincidence) REALLY want is for us to simply go away, to stop playing at a D1 level so they don't have to talk about us anymore. Finally, the impact this has had on the fans has been immeasurable. Every game this season had empty seats, with the stadium growing more empty as the evidence of our destruction became more clear. Talk to a beaver fan and you will either see blind optimism that borders on delusion (The kind that believed we were a shoe-in to get a Big 12 invite and thought we would go 12-0 this year) OR (Much more commonly) you would see deep hurt, sadness, anger and a sense of futility/cynicism. Everyone always wants to ask "Well, what do we do now?" but the sad truth for us is that there is nothing we CAN do. No amount of winning or branding will change what was done to us. More and more of us are seeing the writing on the wall: CFB killed us, and there's nothing we can do about it. So why bother even watching? It's a depressing time, one I don't see changing. I'm sure some will say this is overdramatic or that I'm being too pessimistic, but many said that before the PAC fell apart too. At least for me and many others, the blind hope of "Eventually things will get better" is simply not good enough. It wasn't true back then and it's even less true now.
"Skin Walker" that just added Gonzaga and has a conference already with six schools that made the NCAA last year, four of which advanced and two different teams that have made the national championship in the last four years, they may be the 5th best conference in football but they are looking like a darn good hoops conference. FYI as the 5th best conference by ratings they get a automatic playoff bid under the current system.
Out of the 3 USF I think will end up in the Big 12 to further plant it's flag in the state of Florida. Rice I think will end up in the Pac 12 while Temple will remain in it's current conference.
@@ono3869reason for that is due to the rivalry as well and I honestly don't see them heading to the ACC either mainly because I bet the ACC would probably go with Uconn and Tulane (my opinion you don't have to agree with it.)
Tulane has more SEC championships than most of the current SEC teams. Rice, like Houston and SMU, was screwed over by Austin who killed the SWC and held Houston, Rice, & SMU's heads under water to gain a deeper hold in the Houston and Dallas markets Austin also drove Arkansas & A&M away.
The collapse of the Big East was just crazy. CU needs to be in a non-power conference and Memphis should be in one. I hate college games in NFL stadiums
It would be helpful to those of us who dont watch college sports if you gave us the full school name before the abbreviation. I had no idea if USF was University of South Florida or University of Sanford, Fred in a scam during an episode of Sanford and Son. The latter probably would have had a better record.
Over the last couple years the Big12 has made a huge comeback after the TX/OU exit. The PAC12 i do not see doing the same, even with the best of the mountain west and maybe a few others, but time will tell... they will have to prove themselves on the national stage and get a solid contract if it's even possible. WSU & OSU are solid football schools and have had some great years. my personal opinion is that football & basketball should be in separate conferences from all the other sports... which should be more regional. football and basketball should also use a relegation model.
Pac 12 was ready to add Rice and Tulane just to keep Cal and Stanford happy after USC and UCLA bolted and Tulane and Rice are being considered again along with Air Force Academy by the new Pac 12 that hopes to lure Stanford and Cal back if the ACC implodes.
With the addition of Gonzaga and not being done yet with football expansion the Pac 12 is the 5th or 6th best basketball conference, at least with two top tier programs and 6 of their teams made the NCAA last year and 4 advanced and they are 5th best football conference which means they get a automatic playoff bid as one of the top five ranked conferences, so they are far from done and I am a Duck fan saying that. I think Southern Florida got the worst raw deal excluding OSU and WSU.
I remember in the early days of the program, Conference USA would not accept USF, making them stay an additional year in D1A, until the following year. That hurt.
Rice is utterly tragic when you realize every former SWC team is in the P4 except for them
SMU had to sell everything but their soul to get in. Had the PAC been led by someone willing to act immediately, I felt like adding SMU and Rice plus SDSU, Fresno, Boise St. and someone else might have maybe kept Stanford and Cal from bolting. But, that wasn't the way it worked out.
As soon as ESPN decides they have no further use for the ACC, things may change.
Not tragic, it is logical. Rice only had big time football because in the 1930's Texas A&M was a military college only, the NFL really wasn't a thing and other schools like the University of Houston either did not or had barely established their football programs. That is no longer the case. The University of Chicago dropped football in 1939 and moved to D3 and it has not harmed its academic prestige. Rice should also move to D3 to be with more like minded schools.
@@dgart7434 I don’t get takes like these; unless Rice actively doesn’t want to be D1, there’s no reason for them to drop to a lower level. Just because they’re not the most successful doesn’t mean they should automatically give up and copy what an individual school decided to do.
Not to mention that Northwestern and Duke are prestigious universities with D1 sports (and while NW is a in power conference, it’s not like they’ve been extremely successful in big-time sports afaik)
@nashawnlivingston2965 you missed his point. By size and resources size their a fcs or lower school.
They are a proud academic institution that does not really care for football all that much. They're ok where they are.
USF alum here. I remember when the "old" BIG EAST reorganized into The American and I wasn't happy about it because it meant a drop in prestige for my Bulls after the first year of the American era (2013-present). We now have a president in Rhea Law who made sure to invest in both academics and athletics and it appears to be paying off. Judy Genshaft invested heavily in academics while all but ignoring the football program's long-term needs and we paid a heavy price for it.
At 1 time I felt that USF could eventually become like Miami and how the U became a powerhouse!
@@kingtau I felt the same way. At this point, I hope USF can be one of the top programs outside the power leagues.
As I mention below, USF was always a fish out of water in the Big East. Distant in mileage, history, and fit. And aside from one or two years, the basketball teams were terrible, an anchor on the rest of the conference. In the years when not everybody got into the Big East tournament, USF was always one of the ones that stayed home. So good luck to them, but they are Johnny-come-lately to D1 sports. It may well take another decade or two for them to become big time. Or not. Houston went from being the #2 basketball team behind UCLA to being nobody to being a football and basketball contender in the SWC to being left behind when the SWC fell apart to beind nobody again to where they are now. That was over about six decades.
As someone who loves USF I just want to know how good is the football team and How's the stadium how's funding for the Football team.
@@jacobwong2230 We just broke ground on that stadium and I haven't heard any updates since. The 2024 football team just finished its regular season at 6-6 and will face San José State in the Hawai'i Bowl on Christmas Eve.
dalukes and Empire are like discovering Josh Pate during Covid. Absolute GOATS.
josh pate and joel klatt kept me going during covid 😭
Was about to say an empire and dalukes video dropping the same day what a day!
Literally
Pate state freights🚂🚂
This comment is how I know I’m in too deep on college football
That's only part of why Kennedy used Rice as an example. The other reason is because that land NASA had in Texas. That was donated from Rice.
Also, he gave his speech at Rice Stadium.
It’s bad at Temple. I didn't go there, but I had some friends who did. Half the people that go there are PSU fans, and the only game they go to is homecoming because that's the only game where there’s a good tailgate
I just went to the temple-fau tailgate a few weeks ago yeah it was bad lmao, not good here in philly.
Went to Temple College Gameday years ago nothing will ever be like that again
That decade ago when Rhule was here and they were playing Notre Dame in Prime-Time was unreal…and never happening again.
@@maybecaz As a PSU fan, the Temple loss might have been the best thing to happen to PSU post-sanctions because it forced James Franklin to start Saquon the next week
I grew up a WVU fan, went to temple and still continued being WVU fan... Temple does nothing to promote sports for such a large school!
I remember when USF first moved up from C-USA to the Big East. The University president at the time acted like it was an inconvenience; She only wanted to focus on academics.She rejected every attempt to even discuss an on campus stadium. She got her wish now. USF is an AAU university, but big time football left us behind and chose UCF instead 🤮.
She also blocked UCF from joining the Big East which would have strengthened the league so karma happened twice over.
@@ono3869 That's true.
There is a conference they can get invited to now that they have AAU that's looking South....
UCF never stopped investing. For many years, UCF was the only school in Florida with a 120-yard indoor football practice field opened in 2005. USF opened theirs in 2022, and like their stadium, it cost probably 4 or 5 times as much UCF spent who built when hurricane code and prices were much lower. USF has bad boosters and school leadership. They always talk about how great the Bucs stadium is but do not even realize it's been passed by Dolphin stadium, which has a roof and UCF stadium, which has a beach zone and lazy river.
@@y2films the Big Ten is not expanding anymore and they don’t need to pick up a bottom feeder school from the American if they wanted to expand
God I hate that Michigan and USC are in the same conference
It should be a trophy game with a replica of a Greek Narcissus statue as the trophy.
Yes, huge conferences has ruined great rivalries, regional pride, geographic integrity and logic, cultural and historical distinctions adding to those rivalries... even small college & high school coaching units that had geographic separation defining each school's regional uniqueness. Oh, & now there's these ridiculous 4-way ties where teams have vastly different difficulties of conf. schedules, and absurd tiebreaker rules.
Makes no damn sense for half of the conferences now. It’s all ridiculous
I hate inbreds who voted for Trump and commies who voted for Kamala.
The only conference that at least makes some geographical sense is the SEC, and that's not even that good because Missouri and Oklahoma are not in the South, one could make the argument for Texas as well.
Fun fact about Rice, in the year that JFK gave that speech, they TIED Texas 14-14 in Houston.
That Kansas logo is PEAK
It looks like something a 6 1/2 year old would make on MS Paint
The fact that TCU is mentioned with Alabama, Kentucky, Duke, Michigan, USC, etc. is an insane testament to how they’ve grown recently.
Y'all been to a natty unlike 3 of those you mentioned lol
@@mudkipman1I’m pretty sure the game would have been closer if it was rice that had been playing
as a rice student and fan, we're good at getting talent to come to rice thanks to top connections, but never good enough to utilizing them or maintain that discipline i.e. o-line, defense
that being said, i am hopeful that rice can at least bounce back if there are any investments made on the athletic program which got cut heavily during 2012
Graduated in 2019. During my years, the football team went 9-40. Love the tradition and history of the program, but let's be honest .. administration and alums *for the most part* do not care about our athletics overall. Would be fun for them to turn it around and compete in the American but .. not really going to happen. Go Owls!
I read they are doing a major upgrade on the stadium and the Pac 12 is interested in Rice and Tulane as academic bait to lure Cal and Stanford back if the ACC implodes.
So many owls. RIP wisdom
Temple’s situation is such an odd one. With there being a lack no prominent power conferences in the northeast like there used to be, a colossal shared-use stadium miles south of the main campus, and greater apathy towards college ball is strange. The region produces more college talent than one might think but the top recruits always go elsewhere. It’s funny to me, a Philly resident, to have watched the Power 5 snatch up schools largely due to market size (Maryland and Rutgers to the BIG10 for instance). But everyone sees Temple, a huge school in the middle of one of the largest tv markets and the country, and says, “we’ll pass.”
The thing is the Linc is not a bad BSL ride from Temple, but they are just not good enough to make people want to go . With the cost of eagles tickets nowadays , ppl would probably want to go to Temple games if they were as good as they were 10 years ago.
At least with the Big Ten... Penn State gets them in the Philly TV market. I'd imagine Penn State is the most popular college team in the Philly area too
@@UserName-ts3sppretty much
@@UserName-ts3spit is the most popular for sports , but Temple is still a big name regionally with people coming from and going across the east coast to go there.
Temple needs to play against traditional and regional rivals to develop fan interest. But that opportunity appears to have passed.
This is a very good and honest analysis of these 3 programs.
Great video! Added to my favorites!
USF got what they deserved. Instead of being partners with their peer UCF, they acted like they were too big for them and refused to play them or let them join the Big East. Funny thing is at the time UCF was already a way better program, UCF had beaten Alabama for their homecoming and had many alumni in the NFL like Daunte Culpepper.
I never liked that attitude by USF, either, and I am a USF alum. We should have played UCF every year. True, UCF had an established program.
As a temple alum. This video hurts. The truth is sad and always hurts
I remember when the "old" BIG EAST kicked your football program out and I couldn't believe it at the time. I know that had to be a gut punch for you.
Yea but as he put it, nobody to blame but ourselves. It’s been bad leadership decision after bad leadership decision across the board since Rhule left for Baylor. And that’s not even accounting for before his tenure. Best chance we ever have at redemption is building a stadium, which was nixed when it was last attempted. The linc is too big and too expensive a venue for temple football. A smaller stadium on or near the geasy field complex would get us moving in a much better direction. But I doubt it ever bears fruit. New AD likely coming in, we’ll see.
Ditto. Temple fell to pieces immediately after Rhule jumped ship. Basically killed an already controversial push for an on/near-campus stadium.
I have lived on the USF rollercoaster from the beginning. It has been exhilarating at times. A lot of USF fans including myself did not see the stadium as being the issue, its an NFL stadium, it has very nice pro grade amenities, better than many BIG/SEC football stadiums. And they could recruit to play there, it was a bonus. THE ISSUE was Charlie Strong who just wanted to be an executive coach and turned over the team to his ex-Texas staff. They just didn't work and they recruited poorly, then replaced by Jeff Scott, which seemed a brilliant move, but he was hampered by Covid his first year. He actually had Florida beat in Gainesville and thru 3 horrendous plays late in the game lost. I think if he had won that game, history would be so different now. Now, we wait and see and hope, the current plan appears to be waiting for the ACC to extend an invitation. Although I would rather see the BIG12 bring us in and renew the War on I-4 rivalry with UCF.
The Matt Grothe/beating Auburn/beating West Virginia days were the pinnacle of the program. I was disappointed that Skip Holz never panned out. I thought he was a good pick and had done well with other programs.
i like all the vintage logos.
For a majority of those check out Chris Creamer's Sports Logos.
The vintage Iowa State logos are peak, it's sad he used the Big I
@@nateg4582what an unfortunate name
I’m a UNC fan, and as such, I often joke about Wake Forest being the little brother of a little brother or the redheaded step-cousin of the NC ACC schools. Despite that, I really value them as a presence in the ACC and am always excited to see them beat big brothers NC State and d00k (not UNC for obvious reasons). I’m worried that with conference realignment, we might have a college sporting future where Wake Forest gets left out of NC collegiate athletic talks. They bring the state together in a way that I don’t think gets enough recognition.
Rice ran triple option during a good part of the 90s into the mid 2000s. Mainly a run heavy team similar to the service academies and the Tom Osborne/Frank Solich Nebraska teams.
UConn also, after winning the Big East football championship twice.
Empire and Dalukes uploaded today? We feasting
As a usf fan this hurts
Living near Philly I know first hand how bad Temple has been at football. Soth Florida will get an invite somewhere. ...maybe Big 1w?? Much stronger program. Rice since its heyday in the 40s and 50s has been pretty bad too. Maybe a long shot for Pac12? Love the video! Awesome job!
As someone in the Philadelphia area, I have no idea why Temple still has FBS football. People here who follow college football root for Penn State. Temple needs to move down to FCS. Villanova and Penn are both doing just fine down there.
They were ranked in 2015, won the AAC conference title in 2016 and won a bowl game in 2017. Temple has proven they can be successful, they just multiple unique disadvantages
Cal and Stanford saw what Rice went through and decided to not deal with all of that, though they did try to stay until it really looked like the PAC-12 was going to die and leave them, OSU and Wazzu without a conference. If the PAC-12 actually died, at least OSU and Wazzu would most definitely still be an FBS program. Cal and Stanford didn’t have that guarantee outside of the ACC.
Dalukes upload = good day
Agreed.
UConn went the same faith as USF. They were already a Big East member for all sports already before they added football. Once they added football? They got an auto pass to a power conference. Another group that were power were SoCon and MVC conferences. SoCon schools had ACC and SEC teams in them before they left to formed the ACC and SEC. One of the conference before them had Texas in it as well. The MVC and Big 8 shared the same conference as both claimed they are the renamed conference of the past. Drake is the only team left from the original. To be honest. Idaho did not left on their own. The egos of the PAC 12 schools at the time fighting with each other, disbanded the conference. Then they reformed never invited Idaho or Montana back. Idaho, just like Rice, was left homeless for a bit.
Glossing over that Rice and Bama cotton bowl game is crazy!!! That game alone is worth a video, a player from Bama who was on the bench came off the sideline and tackled a Rice player who was in the midst of a house call. That in turned caused the ref to picked up the ball walk to the end zone and signal touchdown
South Florida is going to build an on campus stadium for 2026 which Will bolster their chances of power 5 recognition
Rice is a classic case of many smaller universities in power conferences. Early years they were very good but then as more public insitutions started to invest more into football as the 1950's began to roll around these smaller schools like Rice, Vandy, and Tulane just could not keep up
Temple is such a fascinating story
I think USF will get it back soon
Temple by far: the travel is increasingly unbearable with the AAC pivoting to Southwestern expansion and they have no where else to go conference wise
Temple only played 1 year at the Linc before being kicked out of the Big East. The Stadium opened in 2003. During their first stint, the played at the Vet.
We also played some games at Franklin Field. When I was a student we played #1 Miami at Franklin Field in 2002.
Interestingly, the first college football game I saw was when I was 6 and Rice beat Texas 18-13 in the old Memorial Stadium in Austin.
You should do a video on the private, academi power conference schools that are just sort of there, like Duke, Northwestern, Stanford, and Vanderbilt
Ya know, Sewannee was a founding member of the SEC
I have no clue how, But they went 0-37 In their time in the SEC
@@zerolazer9530 They were a powerhouse in the SIAA and then the SoCon. By the time the SEC formed the game was changing and a school that small had no hope to compete, but they got in based on their history.
@@tommykeeran6776 The same could almost have been said about Washington & Lee who is also Division III.
@jamespyle777 Absolutely. I believe the SEC's stated goal was to have all the big or powerful schools south of the Ohio and west of the Appalachians, so with W&L in Virginia they had no shot. If the ACC had formed then as well they may have been in there. Just a timing thing.
@@zerolazer9530Sewanee was referred to as "The University of the South" and held a lot of political power. Football sucked but it was a different time
ECU videos when?
I guess I never realized how much USFs athletic program was being held back by Genshaft until she left and then all of a sudden there’s been a surge in investment in the football program. An on campus stadium spears felt like a pipe dream. As a USF alumni I was very jealous watching UCFs rise in prestige with their program.
Temple I kind of feel shaky even calling power. They were always football only and only kept around in the big east as a necessity. And they were never good. Even rice had good years compared to temple.
Temple has never been football only and they had a few good seasons. Their story deserves a documentary because they got screwed at every turn
@@kevinselloutrecords7376not just by the NCAA, but by the city as well. They had exactly a 15 month window for getting the greenlight to build an on/near-campus stadium and Rhule jumping ship for Baylor + blowback from the North Philadelphia community basically nixed any hope of that happening.
as a usf fan im in pain
I saw Rice play in the Hawaii Bowl. They had a player who was only 4 feet tall.
Temple alum here: Temple is a basketball school, basketball schools are generally not good at football. Nobody talks about Duke, North Carolina, or Indiana football. Which made it ironic for Temple to be in the Big East for football, but not basketball. It would be a no brainer, as they would have a rivalry with Villanova
Don't look now, but Indiana is undefeated (5-0) & ranked 23rd in football. No, I'm not an Indiana fan, but Nebraska plays them on October 19th (Indiana plays Northwestern this week, then we both have a bye week).
@@augiegirl1Duke is undefeated as well coming off a great comeback win against UNC
@@reverend_wintondupree Congrats.
@@reverend_wintondupree Traditionally, Duke is not a football school, a good season will not make a football school. You cannot compare a Duke-UNC football game to with a Duke-UNC basketball game. The latter is a nationally televised event, while I just learned about the former
@@sdeepj Whose comparing and where did i claim Duke is a football school? I'm just pointing out Duke is undefeated this year in line with @augiegirl1's comment about Indiana.
I think eventually USF will pull it together just because of its size and market, I'd also like to see Rice figure things out just because it's a noble institution in a good market.
I love the conference mascot posters. Where do you get them? Thanks.
Dalukes with another banger!
This guy makes the best videos.
Only a couple hours after empire posts? Thank you
What’s the background music in the Temple part of the video?
Also, I think Rice is in a bad spot but it has potential if it has funding. It’s like an SMU, with the right coach and right AD, they can get some nice recruits and market themselves as Houston’s other school.
KTO talks a lot about South Florida in his video about the 2007 college football season
Wasn’t Temples basketball program pretty decent for a while there?
Til about 2013. It was at this point that Fran Dunphy couldn’t coach well, and even less so scout. But Temple Athletics felt so snakebit by Rhule and Collins’ sudden departures they kept him on for basketball out of sheer loyalty.
Steve Addazio mention sends chills down my spine. He ruined CSU 😭
Hey dude! I have an interesting video idea for you. It looks like there’s a real chance going into conference championship weekend that three ACC teams are undefeated in conference play. Clemson, Miami, then one of Pitt/SMU. I’d love to see what the implications would be if that scenario happened and I think you’d make a great video talking about. It kinda goes into conference realignment since there’s a real possibility for three undefeated teams in the ACC and I’m sure other conferences now and how that’ll work out in the future
The NCAA did all the American Athletic Teams dirty, especially in football. They consistently had 4-6 top 25 teams and yet the competition was always considered weak. When UCF was undefeated, I remember USF was top 20 in AP and Navy was top 25 in AP, but in the College Football Playoff Standings, they were unranked and therefore their conference was considered weak. From 2014-2020, the American was the third best football conference. Yet they were buried and cast aside. Seriously take out Clemson and compare the rest of the ACC and the AAC in that time. Temple and USF (which ironically, I've worked for both) got super screwed. If realignment happened in 2015 or 16, Temple would've been one of the first ones picked. It honestly seems like they rolled over and accepted being a bottom tier team again, USF at least feels like they are fighting for bigger things.
Once again I am asking you, Dalukes, to make a history of the SEC .
PLEASE
0:14 Not Duke mostly people think of Clemson I live in Greenville county but it’s fine.
Never mind I looked the wrong way at least I think.
Look when I hear acc I think Duke unc Clemson or ncstate
@@thekingcaspergamingyt6997 I think of UNC AND CLEMSON
@@JJETTAS_Production as a basketball guy. I think. Of it like that too lol. Just sprinkle in Duke. Just because
@@JJETTAS_Productionhonestly aside from the past decade I literally never thought about Clemson at all, Duke is a much larger brand, especially historically.
Rice's fall from grace, along with TCU and SMU (though the latter two would eventually come back), coincided with the formation of the AFL in 1960. They put the Texans (now the KC Chiefs) in Dallas and the Oilers (now the Titans) in Houston. And the NFL followed suit and put the expansion Cowboys in Dallas. Overnight, the state of Texas went from zero pro football teams to three, and the smaller private SWC schools located in or near Dallas and Houston saw their fan support drop almost as suddenly.
Speaking up for the girl contingent; always a good day when dalukes posts
I’ve been a temple fan all my life (still in high school right now), and it really sucks what’s happening to us. Football’s BEEN a disaster for a while now, and we just fired Stan drayton. I’m really just hoping our starting QB doesn’t transfer, and we’re all but cooked if that happens. Defense is currently trash, offense is good but who knows about the quarterback, our best receiver is a senior and our kicker (most likely picked in the draft) is also a senior. Here’s to hoping we get a better HC and returning back to where we were before..
(Also, at least basketball is good for us, almost made the NCAA tournament last yr!)
As a Kentucky fan it's wild seeing Kentucky as a powerhouse program
Then again idgaf about basketball
We're definitely at MS state level for football
As a Rice student, not exactly the video I wanted to see my school in 😂
Since 1978 here are all the schools to lose power confrence status and aren’t currently in one.
Oregon State
Rice
South Florida
Temple
UConn
Washington State
USF probably has as good a chance as WSU and OSU. Rice and Temple, not so much. I guess Temple could also wind up in the ACC if the potential Clemson-FSU exit causes a near-implosion.
Those nerds at Rice will be fine where ever they end up.
These past few years have been hell for us beaver fans. Our commissioner embarrased us repeatedly by making lofty promises that were openly mocked, the conference collapsed around us with our in-state brethren abandoning us, and virtually every major sports team at our school imploded. Only a year before the collapse of the PAC, OSU had the distinct honor of being 1 of only two schools to have made the CWS in both baseball & softball, made the Final 4 in Soccer, made the Elite 8 in both Men and Women's Basketball AND won 10 games in a football season. The other school? Texas. We were emerging into our own in virtually every sport, and our long rebuild from the Gary Andersen days seemed a distant memory. But now? It's virtually all gone. Baseball has survived on reputation alone, but is playing virtually no home games as an independent in a sport that has driven independents extinct, while Men's Basketball survived by being so bad that there was nowhere to go but up. But our soccer programs were obliterated, softball was virtually destroyed and our Final 4 bound Women's Basketball team disintegrated into ashes.
Worst though has been football. No one lost more to CFB Realignment and the transfer portal than OSU. All but 1 full time starter transferred, most of them to other power schools. Even our KICKER left, and to OREGON no less! By the time the season rolled around, injuries and the sudden lack of depth had left our program on life support. By the time our season was mercifully ended by Boise State on the blue turf, the program was in ashes. Any hopes of a path back to any form of relevance were gone, all while the ones who had helped cause this situation reaped the rewards.
This season killed any love I had for college sports, especially football. It's depressing enough to lose, but to have your very right to even play at the same level that you have always played at taken away from you? And right as you had started to really compete? It brought back every bad memory of being the kid left out on the playground, every memory of being stood up at prom. Even worse was the media and other fans. The media treated our desperate cries and pleads as nothing more than a nuisance. We should simply roll over and accept our fate so they could stop being bothered about it. In the last year of the PAC12, College Gameday called OSU/WSU the "No One Wants Us" Bowl, or the "No One Watches Us Bowl" depending on who you ask, as if either statement was appropriate. And when we pushed back, ESPN retaliated by having Pat McAfee rail against us for an entire segment, as if THEY were the victims! THEN Gameday refused to go to Corvallis when we hosted Washington in a Top 10 Ranked, defacto PAC-12 Semifinal game. Their destination? JAMES MADISON! And now, it seems our rivalries with Oregon and Washington will be the next casualties, as local media have begun to openly call for the Civil War and Apple Cup to be ended in favor of "Newer and Better rivalries". As usual, newer is only ever better for everyone else, it NEVER benefits US. What ESPN and the local media (Who are mostly Oregon and UW alumni by no coincidence) REALLY want is for us to simply go away, to stop playing at a D1 level so they don't have to talk about us anymore.
Finally, the impact this has had on the fans has been immeasurable. Every game this season had empty seats, with the stadium growing more empty as the evidence of our destruction became more clear. Talk to a beaver fan and you will either see blind optimism that borders on delusion (The kind that believed we were a shoe-in to get a Big 12 invite and thought we would go 12-0 this year) OR (Much more commonly) you would see deep hurt, sadness, anger and a sense of futility/cynicism. Everyone always wants to ask "Well, what do we do now?" but the sad truth for us is that there is nothing we CAN do. No amount of winning or branding will change what was done to us. More and more of us are seeing the writing on the wall: CFB killed us, and there's nothing we can do about it. So why bother even watching? It's a depressing time, one I don't see changing. I'm sure some will say this is overdramatic or that I'm being too pessimistic, but many said that before the PAC fell apart too. At least for me and many others, the blind hope of "Eventually things will get better" is simply not good enough. It wasn't true back then and it's even less true now.
please do a video on project rudy!!
PAC 12 being a skin walker is an intriguing concept
"Skin Walker" that just added Gonzaga and has a conference already with six schools that made the NCAA last year, four of which advanced and two different teams that have made the national championship in the last four years, they may be the 5th best conference in football but they are looking like a darn good hoops conference. FYI as the 5th best conference by ratings they get a automatic playoff bid under the current system.
@@deanfirnatine7814 “good basketball conference” on a football video. An autobid isn’t impressive when it’s an 8 win Boise State.
Rice needs to make a pac 12 push
Out of the 3 USF I think will end up in the Big 12 to further plant it's flag in the state of Florida. Rice I think will end up in the Pac 12 while Temple will remain in it's current conference.
Nah, UCF will veto that as payback for when USF blocked them from joining the Big East.
@@ono3869reason for that is due to the rivalry as well and I honestly don't see them heading to the ACC either mainly because I bet the ACC would probably go with Uconn and Tulane (my opinion you don't have to agree with it.)
Um, where is Uconn???
UConn only cares about basketball and are in the Big East, so they're good.
UConn: Am I a joke to you?
HOFSTRA FOOTBALL MENTIONED LETS GO!!!!!!!
Being a Mississippi state fan is so fucking hard bro
Moral of the story. Don't name your team the Owls.
Am I crazy or does your voice sound higher than usual
The lesson: Don't name your team the Owls
Nice update on the Thumbnail.
I feel like this list would be more interesting if it included schools that hadn't been promoted before 2020.
As a Tennessee fan, I really hope Alex makes USF better. Hate he left though.
5:44 SMU on the AAC map 💀
Tulane has more SEC championships than most of the current SEC teams.
Rice, like Houston and SMU, was screwed over by Austin who killed the SWC and held Houston, Rice, & SMU's heads under water to gain a deeper hold in the Houston and Dallas markets
Austin also drove Arkansas & A&M away.
The collapse of the Big East was just crazy. CU needs to be in a non-power conference and Memphis should be in one. I hate college games in NFL stadiums
It would be helpful to those of us who dont watch college sports if you gave us the full school name before the abbreviation.
I had no idea if USF was University of South Florida or University of Sanford, Fred in a scam during an episode of Sanford and Son.
The latter probably would have had a better record.
Bring back the SWAC
Over the last couple years the Big12 has made a huge comeback after the TX/OU exit. The PAC12 i do not see doing the same, even with the best of the mountain west and maybe a few others, but time will tell... they will have to prove themselves on the national stage and get a solid contract if it's even possible. WSU & OSU are solid football schools and have had some great years.
my personal opinion is that football & basketball should be in separate conferences from all the other sports... which should be more regional. football and basketball should also use a relegation model.
I would like for rice to be part of the Big 12 and Stanford too... It's good to surround yourself with intelligence...
Pac 12 was ready to add Rice and Tulane just to keep Cal and Stanford happy after USC and UCLA bolted and Tulane and Rice are being considered again along with Air Force Academy by the new Pac 12 that hopes to lure Stanford and Cal back if the ACC implodes.
9:49 it’s because of the JFK speech where he also said that we would go to the moon
With the addition of Gonzaga and not being done yet with football expansion the Pac 12 is the 5th or 6th best basketball conference, at least with two top tier programs and 6 of their teams made the NCAA last year and 4 advanced and they are 5th best football conference which means they get a automatic playoff bid as one of the top five ranked conferences, so they are far from done and I am a Duck fan saying that. I think Southern Florida got the worst raw deal excluding OSU and WSU.
I think Deion Sanders could've gotten Jackson State to D-1 level.
UConn is in the same position as USF and Temple but actually got completely dropped to an independent after faltering in the American
Bro said Kentucky at the beginning lmao what da hell a polar bear doing in Arlington Texas 😭😭
“USC from the big 10” I hate it
USF got screwed over the worst. Just joined the wrong conference at the wrong time.
I remember in the early days of the program, Conference USA would not accept USF, making them stay an additional year in D1A, until the following year. That hurt.
Mississippi State? You should have put Missouri or vandy
10:00 Pretty much every Texas school who was in the southwest has Texas listed (and probably rightly so). It’s more of a hatred than a rivalry.
What is tcu doing in a graphic about national hype lol
I think I speak for everyone when I say this,
Temple
Temple
Forgot to mention the Manny Diaz coaching tenure at Temple!
bro sent a stray to iowa state 😭