Intel's future computers have two screens
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- Опубликовано: 20 июн 2024
- Intel doesn't make computers, but that doesn't mean the company doesn't build prototypes of them. When Intel thinks of new ways their chips can be used, they build prototypes to prove it's possible, then partner with device makers to turn it into a consumer product. A recent example is Lenovo's new Yoga Book C930, which is based on Intel's Tiger Rapids prototype. In this week's Processor episode, Dieter Bohn visited Intel's Client Experience Center to learn why they build technologies for the future of computing just to give them away.
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What would you use a dual-screen device for?
Reading a book or drawing . Maybe
so this is the tablets series got it
Can't think of any ideas. That's the problem (for Intel)
I think a big smartphone/small tablet with full capabilities, with an e-ink screen for e-reading on the other side could be useful. I paid 250$ for a Kindle Oasis and it's unmatched as far as reading goes, but it's a ton of money for a single-purpose device
How come Intel does all this R&D to let other companies take the product to market? Why aren't they in the OEM business? Wouldn't they be maximizing profit by offering the whole package themselves? Even if they had another company manufacture their goods, like Foxconn is to Apple?
I honestly don't see dual screens going anywhere as long as they have a huge bezel separating them. Bending displays are the next thing.
Bending? I think Bending would be better for smartphones but the e-ink + OLED are just perfect for laptop sized devices
I think it works quite well as an alternative if you're used to multitasking or doing productivity on a tablet type device. The physical separation would be much more intuitive. For people that want to use it as a consumption device not really. Running windows would be not ideal, but I think iOS on this would be really nice and almost like the MS Courier concept especially with all the tablet apps.
Wait for Andromeda next year.
They don't need bending if they can just make the edge blend to the sides so when you open it, the two screens are like merged into one.
Except I don’t want to forgo glass displays for uneven plastic ones with creases in the middle.
Dieter is the best part of the verge
tru
Verge cast. The flag ship. This is a team of many great peeps
Dieter is the only reason I ever watch the Verge videos.
Yes, after lauren left the verge
in the credit's part of the video they showed that abysmal "phone buying guide" and I thought ''Wow... I would not watch the verge if he wasn't there"
Intel is that guy who studies well but barely scores passing marks.
Studies well? Sometimes.
You mean ... I am intel ???
How so? They own the enterprise market. The most valuable one there is. AMD is nowhere to be seen in that space.
Okay so, Intel has no idea how to save its sinking ship.
AMD TRASH
lol what?
Not at all
@@VaporSprite You are right. They are diversifing. But I'm not seeing any of their products making it to the selves. I am pretty sure Apple and Google will I reign the AR field. I don't remember the last time I heard anyone using Intel's drone or depth camera related technologies. Remember Curie? Who's buying it now? The way I see it, Intel needs its "Satya Nadella" right now. If things continue like this, Intel will be the next Nokia.
@@seaneredia5199 Intel bash.
nintendo ds is already the future
Kretro oo i thought of my dsi as soon as i saw this prototype 😂😂
Nintendo rocks still 👌
Ikr
yeah its basically a Nintendo ds for work^^
The truth is, Intel is getting ready to be ditched by companies like Apple etc. since they're working on their own chips.
lol what? no... what are you basing this on?
No, their main and o ly competitor is AMD. Intel is microprocessor manufacturer, apple is consumer electronic company. They don't even assembly their own device.
Apple A series is bases on Arm-licenced processor, manufactured by TSMC.
Making a company is one thing, but making a manufacturing plant is another thing, and will be the costliest thing a company will ever spend. It's literally used too much money, that's why lots of big company prefer to partner up with already-existed manufacturers than building their own plant.
Amd was, is and will always be intel's only enemy in consumer grade product. In server and workstation grade, however, intel is never off of the table as the only king. In supercomputer, intel is dogshit compared to IBM and Nvidia. IBM is currently powering the fastest supercomputer in the history, located in USA.
@@TheFalseHuman no. Apple didn't design nor make the A-series processor. They took the already exist design from Arm and modified it. They then send them to TSMC to manufacture
Have you forgotten that Macbooks still use the intel core i7(i series)???
I'd invest in Mobile CPU makers.
Apple, TSMC, Qualcomm, Samsung, Huawei. Mobile CPUs are a growing market. Desktop CPUs. AMD, Intel, IBM. Are too far behind.
I don't see myself using this. What's the point behind the secondary display? Such a niche market I don't get why they are even focusing on it
@@nadeemshaikh7863 but then why does no companies used android tablets for working ? Because they're not convenient to use.
Dual screen has better screen real estate, but you'll need something like a Bluetooth keyboard to use it for work
The internet was also a niche market back in the day.
@@nadeemshaikh7863
No. I was saying "wow" back then. This time it's "why do I need it?"
@@nadeemshaikh7863 my desktop always has 2-3 display attached for almost 10 years. To me, 1 very large screen is the same as 2 small screen. But this 2nd display is not a game changer since laptop is too small and low productivity for office worker any way. This fancy device is best suited for salesman and managers
we are not talking about extra displays, but getting rid of the keyboard. Besides, screens are thin, i would prefer a dual monitor laptopt with keyboard than the same thickness and no freaking keyboard
I feel like Intel just needs a Steve jobs, someone with a vision
Yeah someone with vision to copy other people's work
the future of computers is a 2008 Microsoft courier
that project was killed for a reason. an overpriced business oriented niche device. but i admit, was exciting when announced 10 years ago.
For me the software side is way more important, we still use apps/file managers/WIMP interface, which is almost 40 years old (or older if you go before 1980), remember Microsoft Courier concept, the notebook that have no apps but pages? bring this free form of interface, if you adding a pen then add flexible interface, good hardware is not enough when bloated OS with same old interface is the only option.
The current apps and file manager are fine, you don't need to reinvent what already works best
Strongly disagree, if you haven't read The Humane Interface by Jeff Raskin please do, both apps and file manager are unnecessary, can you imagine an interface without apps and files? Xerox Parc did it in the 70s, there was no apps in their interface but tools attached to each window as needed.
File managers are important to an OS, it gives it structure and without it you would never find your files
There's no need to reinvent what works and what everyone is used to, its like saying all cars need to change to having no windows and just a few screens and cameras to see out
@@Abdulla79 do you recommend any other books or blog posts related to this? You make a very compelling point and one I notice in the way I use my tablet everyday
Microsoft Andromeda anyone?
Panos pls
Microsoft Courier
Andromeda looks like a more practical and realistic application of dual-screen display--it makes more sense on a truly mobile device, the way Microsoft designed it. It'll probably flop, though, because Microsoft always does better with selling software than hardware.
This is the closest we are probably getting to Andromeda! :(
@@bloopbloop2019 Now, Microsoft making it happened. They'll released the Surface Neo and Duo in late this year
I was actually pretty interested in the Lenovo Yoga C930 but was disappointed to hear that it only runs Windows...Would have been an instant purchase for me as a ChromeOS device.
I love the idea of having an e-ink and LCD display in one device so I can readily switch between different forms of productivity (reading, typing, writing/annotation) and do that all on one device.
Man that was a great video!
Reminds me of the old "The Verge" when Joshua Topolsky use to go to Microsoft labs and make videos about prototypes and future products!
Cool story Bohn. How is this different then the Nintendo DS?
Very different
These won't run Pictochat
It's the Intel DS now.
DS has joystick and keys. This stuff will not have them.
You are the only reason why I still watch Verge videos Dieter.
I have to say, I fall in love with your videos. They are not merely review of products or simply telling a story. They are alive, they makes me think.
I love this series and all about the prototype thing. Keep making this kind of videos guys!
Reminds me of a bigger size ZTE axon m. I wish they could minimize more the bezels of the device which would help with it's usability
Clamshells are also really nice because they're a bit more sturdy when they close. The device overall is still relatively fragile, but the glass screen is no longer exposed to random loose objects in your bag for example.
His name is Murali Veramani
Raja Sundar yeah 😂
Money money 💰💰
Sounds Sindhi to me...
He himself spells it Veeramoney. So that's the name verge went with
My favorite series from The Verge!
In order for this to really work you need the two sides of the screens touching each other to be folded so that no bezel actually divides the two screens. Also thinner bezels all around. No non existant just thinner. That would sell and is doable. Samsung and Apple both bend and fold screens and have already figured out thin bezels so we have that tech now.
Im surprised they havn't used a bendable, single screen..
Price and performance.
Why should they? They make chips and that's all that matters. These prototypes come and go
@@jotomato And why should you comment? You don't even make tomatos and that's all matters. These tomatos go and come to customers
The sole reason why I’m subscribed to the Verge: Dieter
This is the best series ever. It's awesome. Thanks Deiter.
Lol. I like how he slipped the iPad in this conversation.
Can I say the kyocera echo I had that in my sophomore year of high school talk about selling an old product in 2019
Have you ever wanted to play mariokart 8 with a friend in tablet mode but the mariokart is PowerPoint and you're facing each other but not making eye contact?
As for the cooper harbor prototype, MSI had a similar working prototype couple of years ago, not to mention Toshiba libretto and Acer iconia tablets with dual screen functionality but the thickness and improperly UI software makes it uneasy to use
why do i feel like I've already watched this video?
Linus Tech Tips did a video on this already.
as an audio engineer, the folding concept is interesting.
I use a 27" touch screen on a vesa mount which is great for recording and mixing.
I've noticed that the ideal screen angle for editing is different to the ideal angle for the faders, for example.
The faders like to be flat to almost flat, the rest of the screen say at 40-45º.
So I can't wait for a ultrawide touch slab to line up with my 27" in the horizontal dimension, that can replace my keyboard, trackpad and trackball and also double as faderbank, transport, macro launchers etc.
A MacBook Pro or similarly powered portable device with with two screens like this could be awesome for AV content creators, editors etc.
Guys @The Verge, the persons name is murali veeramani and not veeramoney i hope. Just check with him.
About damn time! Would be nice to have a display with a soft keyboard (especially reconfigurable for emoji.)
I hope there is not 1kg of toothpaste on the cpu
I'm here for this comment
same
Make sure you dont touch the power supply on those
You might short circuit it and then you can't play league of legends.
What smartwatch model it uses Dieter Bohn ?
The MacBook, chromebooks, and Microsoft surface are all powered by intel
And increasingly loosing space to AMD
And... Microsoft Surface Pro X is not powered by Intel chips at all 🤷🏻♂️
Love to watch you bohn
Which watch are you wearing?
What smartwatch is Dieter wearing?
I watched this on my lenovo yoga book 1st gen (Android version). Usually use the second portion to draw. I'll pick up the 2 gen yoga book soon.
I would like a spilt screen. Looks great!
I actually own the Yoga Book C930 and like it a lot .
It is very light, the 7y54 is snappy, and I like the ability to read ebooks while traveling.
Pen experience is good, and over all it is what I expected
I want that 🤤. If it works in tandem with ebooks and .pdf it would be great for school and work. They just have to make it lefty friendly.
My 2 in 1 has totally changed the way I stay organized in school. Other than random handouts I am almost 100 percent digital using apps like Microsoft One Note. I could see how a second screen could be useful with a pen.
Yeah except you see the price . usually ITS damn high
The Lenovo Yoga Book isn't that expensive though.
@@middletransport for third world country and the good news is i live on there
Just rotate it 180 degrees--the Kindle Oasis has an asymmetrical form factor that works fine for lefties, too. NBD.
The glasses were amazing..
Very good inside info.
I really loved that dual screen device which had one side LCD and the other paper type kinda thing. Really loved it its like something I would like to carry with me everywhere. Its ideal for us students and also digital artists
0:48 i am pretty sure you misspelled his name
There are some very good points, good article.
Pretty neat concept. Would certainly benefit students.
Everyone: "Pixel XL's notch takes too much of the screen!"
Intel: "Hold my beer"
Aren't those tiger rapids basically lenovo gen 2 yoga books?
The glass project already cancelled? :(
i cant even able to imagine what kind of product is going to disrupt the technology. but something like display popping out screen and operating it with some hand gestures in air seems to be an interesting one...in movies like Ironman
It feels like the next logical step for the yoga line and I like it
So one of the intel concepts which resulted in a Lenovo yoga book C930..
Is that a mura masa song
This is my favorite guy from The Verge
wait those glasses were canceled!? I was looking forward to that
Dieter I really wish them luck and remember when they were absolutely relevant in the Market.I hope that they Come back and right back up on top like they were.I know many will have many comments about them but tbh None have really shown me any clear direction.Glad Companies like Lenovo and Intel are still working together and definitely hope they find their Niche.,But before ripping them I have yet to be truly impressed with many.Thanks for sharing this piece even though it kind of made me upset.All I can say is I remember when and would love to see them back up on top.Great Review and Video Deb.👍✌
Toshiba did the Copper Harbour idea years ago, its called the W100
Couldn't believe no one remembers the Asus Taichi 21....
Great videos as always!!
Bruh really?!
It’s an flopped product, laptop 💻 and desktop 🖥 will remain next 2-3 decades. Dual screen phone by Russian company yota was a huge flop
Saurabh Seth who are you god ? Do you see future ? Nobody can say that. That’s your opinion, every product has a downside and it’s not desktop golden age anymore so shut up
Yah. Right. Same thing they said about phones with physical keyboards. Now they're niche
He may get those 2-3 decades numbers out of thin air..but you don't have to be God to predict or 'see the future' it is called analysis. And anybody can say anything about what the future might be..so if you tell him to shut up, maybe you should too, just saying
They don't care if it flops. They are only making the chips. Which will continue to happen. The product is produced by lenovo. They get there money whether it flops or not.
Yota was actually a great idea. I had been looking for exactly that same thing for a long time. I love to use my phone for lots of stuff, but for reading I prefer paper, or an Ereader. It's less strain on my eyes and gives a nice reading experience overall. The reason I didn't buy that phone where the specs, they war very much under par compared to the rest of the market.
I wasn't aware of Intel's other activities besides making chips for laptops and desktops, this is very interesting! Always nice to learn something new ^_^
I'm glad Intel is experimenting like this. They were the ones who made ultrabooks a thing and that went pretty well.
With folding screen on verge of application if intel applied folding technology with that copper harbor . Can't say about everyone I'll buy it.
I use the Yoga Book Android version all the time for drawing. The only problem I have is that some of the art apps are not properly optimized for it. If the developers can get a handle on it then this new tech will be good for artists, graphic designers, businesses ect.
It reminded me of the Acer Iconia 6120 from over 7 years ago. Same concept.
Exactly. I was thinking more and more in the last few days. Phones are becoming more and more powerful, even they may be a better fit for most users (productivity and just watching videos and what not) - the only needed thing is to be with thunderbolt or USB-C port - then you plug a some normal monitor (1080p60) and mice + keyboard and you are ready with your workstation. For the "on the go" you don't need anything or something like Asus ZenScreen may be enough.
I'm really expecting to have ChromeOS smartphone in the future.
Yay another Verge video
True, next big thing in ordinary consumer computer is two display one eink and one samoled. During univ. in 2007s i drew various sketch of next big thing in laptop (too many free time) and one of the thin i drew that time is mini laptop without keyboard with 2 tft lcd display one multitouch lol, what a time
I think this would be a great tool for students. They can have their textbook on the color screen where they can highlight sentences so they will remember what to focus on when they study, and then they can write their notes on the e-ink notepad screen and even submit their homework to the teacher electronically. No need for paper, and if they need to correct a mistake, they can erase without leaving any marks on the page. It would also be easier for them to carry since they wouldn't need to carry a heavy backpack with tons of books and their notebooks. All they need to bring to school is this tablet and they are set. And I'm sure someone will point out that they run on batteries, and they will need to be charged. Well, there are portable battery chargers you can bring with you. I have one, I use it to keep my phone charged.
I'm a low-vision computer user, so I'm torn on a tech evolution that I think is inevitable. Keyboards that are actually displays seem smart and efficient, but actually FEELING the keys is so important to me. I want sleek, portable, and tiny as much as the next user, but I'm worried about what this evolution is going to mean for accessibility.
The last device looks like project Andromeda
There's already a dual screen phone with similar design language right?
Great content 👍🏼👍🏼👍🏼
What I want to see:
dual screen -> *single foldable screen*
+ physical keyboard
Maybe might be great for multitasking, but not much else. Keyboards are to essential to let go, because touch display keyboards cant and dont work the same way. Having a physical keyboard gets work done and you can only get by with touch for so long.
I really like the idea of a second E-ink display, but the thinness of those boards makes me nervous. That said, if something like the new Lenovo Yoga existed that was capable of running performing well in Linux, I would be all for it.
How I see it: at home and in the office I have a set of controllers (mouse + keyboard). I come to work, put the laptop on the stand like a book. On one screen, the browser is on the second programming application (in my case, since I am a programmer)
Lenovo's implementation of that dual screen is pretty cool. So who knows, it just might have a solid future.
why we still need screen?
Oh god finally something like this.
But would be more interested in something like an E-Ink Notebook. And dual-screen in that distance only if there is no visible gap!
And can we now get please small smartphones again?
The way you prounance his name😂😂 Muraalee when it's Murali.....😂😂
Interesting but only if i don't see the separation between screens.
Maybe with some optical fresnel prism at the center ? Rising over bended oled screen ?
I'm starting to feel bad for Intel...
What id do it make the monitors able to detach and reatach into two horizontal mode, allowing it to be taken with a keyboard, itd help multitaskers imensiley
Also give me a cheap gaming laptop with pen support lmao
The name of the person at Intel should be "Murali Veeramani". Please correct.
i would really love a dual screen laptop, but i would not want the touch keyboard as the only method to type. all manufacturers of this type of thing should sell a magnetic keyboard surface that can be placed on top of the bottom screen. if it's thin but still uses regular chiclet scissor switches, it could be great.
I'd use it if it had some haptical option for the keyboard. I need to feel the keys under my fingers. Also, I'd like to see a laptop innovation where one can finally work on a plane in economy class. This might be a yoga with detachable keyboard or similar.
I'd use this product if it's cheap enough. I like the idea of the dual screen // microsoft-based tablet. It might very well be the middle ground before actual flexible screens.
I like the idea with e ink display.
Sounds like J J Cale's description of his songs as demo tracks for other artists to finish and release.
If I could magically make my phone triple in size whenever I want, that'd be pretty nifty.
man remember how nintendo had a dual screen...13 YEARS AGO?!?!?! AND STILL DOES
"You'll have different surfaces..." Man they are late to the party.
So its a small yoga book 2
Now I understand why Lenovo suddenly took off and produced state of the art computers in only just a few years in the laptop game.
How about westword concept tablet. Not exactly like it but close enough. Make it bezel-less that's the trend.