I would actually like to add that he adds a ton of overworld comfort as well. With his shield not being tied to a burst and having really good uptime. That and not to mention he is the best ore miner, and his pillar can help with vertical exploration.
Thank you for the very fair look at Zhongli. I love how you say "dying is a DPS loss". Regarding Alhaitham: imho, Zhongli's value in Alhaitham teams is in spread rather than quickbloom (I wouldn't use him in quickbloom either), but yes he is a Baizhu sidegrade. I still pick him over Baizhu against aggressive enemies like consecrated beasts, for all the reasons you mentioned at the end. He's also comfortable with Tighnari - since it's quickswap with plenty of time to burst, I like using a hybrid build that does over 100k bursts. And since I rarely use Nahida on this team (she's far more valuable on the other side), Albedo is a great flex slot for buffing 125EM to everyone, geo resonance and his own damage that synergizes extremely well with Yae. Not sure if this sheets well but it's a team I enjoy. About the Ganyu section: I think it's worth mentioning that Zhongli's shield lasts a lot longer not just due to its uptime, but also because it absorbs more damage. Lasting 12s is nice, but if it breaks after two enemy hits and 6s then it doesn't matter that it was 12s. Xinyan's shield for example is made of paper. About the Hu Tao section: Zhongli is important for IR, yes, but honestly I wouldn't trust myself to play a character who has to both hug the enemy and stay at lower HP without a very strong shield. I feel like I wouldn't be able to survive any abyss floors with a Hu Tao / Kazuha team with no sustain other than Xingqiu. I've done it before with Yanfei, but Yanfei is also very ranged and can stay far away from the enemy until Xingqiu's healing kicks in.
The thing with Hu Tao needing a shield all has to do with how you choose to build her in my experience. People tend to forgo building Hp because of em because they want to do slightly higher damage than have more survival. Typically when people have the problem you describe it’s because they either 1) have her on shimenawa, which limits her burst availability or 2) have her on crimson with an em sands. I play her crimson with Hp sands and it’s very comfortable. Hydro resonance makes this even better. I do get an extra boost from having homa but even if I didn’t have that I’d still be fine. Playing her at “low Hp” means different things when you have various Hp thresholds. Since I have 37k low Hp for me is anything under 18.5, which is already higher than most regular characters build for. Building for Hp, plus her own healing and Xingqiu’s rainswords make the fourth slot on the team very flexible. I also think it’s more valuable when you’re dealing with things that one shot shields anyway. I even comfortably played her in abyss resets where there was corrosion. Sorry for the long reply
Agree with most of the points,but I'd like to mention something about Layla+Yoimiya and Ganyu/Lyney Yoimiya's melt team with Layla (for consolidating ST+AoE) is actually Double Cryo with Layla+ Ganyu .i.e Yoimiya-Layla-Ganyu(burst bot)-Venti . In this case,Layla's cryo application is actually neccessary in ST to maintain consistent cryo uptime ( Venti+Ganyu will kill everything in AoE anyway),Probably even better with FS+Elegy,but you will want the Key to make Layla's shield stronger. Also wanted to mention that playing Ganyu melt and Lyney are not as shield dependent as people might think. In AoE,you have the flexibility use them as burst bots when the taunt doesn't work and the enemies are aggresive,and use that time to battery xiangling.When the enemies are taunted and aren't attacking you,you can use that time to do charged shots. In ST,the enemy patterns are predictable,it is easier to plan when to use charged shots. Although their personal damage is alot lower here,Xiangling's ER requirements are alot lower in these setups. Still,I think Zhongli is slightly underrated,esp in hyperbloom and spread teams(which are underrated in general.
I have to say considering Zhongli also has physical damage shred, he can work in an Eula party build. The party would consist of Eula, Raiden/Rosaria, Bennett, and Zhongli. Obviously not the best setup but definitely could be interesting to see and could have some potential
@@GxGNoir true, but the point of my comment is that zhongli has synergy with Eula since he can petrify targets with his meteor thus allowing Eula to land more autos to increase her burst damage, since it’s physical and zhongli also having physical shred.
Im pretty sure using layla burst will steal melts in melt Ganyu. Even layla e can steal melts if you are very unlucky. Having tried diona, layla, and tankfei, i found the 12 second shield to be pretty awkward on her, shielding last stops her from getting 6 CA i believe. Also when judging layla lynette, thier dmg is single target which may not matter much for aoe ganyu and xiao.
I like using Zhongli in my monoCryo Kaeya team (which is just Freeze but I replace Hydro against bosses). Yes, using Shenhe would give me higher dps, but then I wouldn't have defensive units and I feel he is enough to make me save those primogems.
What’s the full team? Best mono cryo Kaeya team imo should be Kaeya Shenhe Kazuha layla. Layla at c6 actually does very good damage buffed by Kazuha and Shenhe while providing a strong shield still
@@GxGNoir my Layla is still C2 =[ I use Kaeya, Chongyun and Kazuha. Hydro unit for Freeze used to be Xingqiu but C6 Candace does a good job in AoE (if the defensive utility isn't much needed), which is then replaced by Zhongli if I have to face a boss.
In the hu tao calcs did u consider sucrose since she can give her EM buff to hu tao and the shred from VV to yelan and xingqui when she swirls hydro . Also hu tao can use sub dps options in her double hydro like xiangling and maybe even fischl . I think with hu tao zhongli is more of a comfort pick rather than the most optimal for dps considering hu tao is quite flexible since she also have VV vape teams that scale better with investment on her and in those teams zhongli can not be slotted in , although VV vape has some rotation issues after the first one , but with enough investment it is definitely one of hu Tao’s best teams ( homa , c1 , kazuha c2 , yelan c2 ) . Also having an anemo unite like kazuha alone in double hydro might have similar damage to zhongli but in practice the grouping kazuha and to a lesser extent sucrose provides are more needed than a shielder for hu tao since she can self heal and has so much interrupt resist in her teams with xingqui , in many abysses even with bosses each half have at least one chamber that benefits so much from having a grouper and even though hu tao aoe isn’t the best using a grouper can make her charge attacks hit multiple enemies at the same time while they are grouped . Again I agree that zhongli is very good with hu tao but he is definitely not as good as calcs can make him up to be because most unites that can be placed in the fourth slot will help hu tao solve some of her team issues like grouping with kazuha , aoe with xiangling.
Agree basically on all points and teams. Although, I am always of the stance that Zhongli in a Xiao team is overkill. Xiao plunges very rapidly, and it results in the window of him being interrupted being quite small. And if the player is familiar enough with enemy patterns they can time their plunges to perfectly dodge attacks (very satisfying, I will say). I always use Xiangling instead of a shielder and honestly from experience I get interrupted less with him than regular melee characters. I've also seen the argument that Zhongli allows running Xiao without a healer. But that just seems stupid. As a self respecting Xiao main I wouldn't run Xiao without Bennett Zhongli being very universal is a very good point though, one that I, well considered, but undervalued I think. The fact that the other competitive options like Layla and Thoma are both 4 stars does have its merits but also caveats with 4 star drops being so random and unpredictable.
yeah I definitely agree that the argument of zhongli letting xiao not use a healer is a meaningless point since you use bennett anyway. hopefully people have learned by now that using albedo instead of bennett is bad
@@GxGNoirI rarely used Xiao, but I have him on my alt account. Doesn’t staying in Bennet’s circle limit Xiao’s mobility significantly? Usually I prefer not using melee characters with Bennet. I do an exception with Childe because a great amount of Childe’s damage is front-loaded with his Burst, and because Xiangling deals a great amount of the team damage and she snapshots the buffs. I pretty much only use Bennet with Wanderer or Childe.
I don't think "meta" is the correct term for Zhongli. It's strange. META stands for: Most Effective(efficient) Tactic Available. And to be honest, this does INDEED apply to Zhongli in many cases. With consecrated beasts, the most effective thing to do is to tank all the damage with a beefy shield while being very aggro to kill them as quick as possible. Zhongli enables this. I mean, having a shield to literally not worry about attacks is like THE most effective tactic to abuse...so by conventional definitions, Zhongli's value will never BE powercrept from the game. His Geo shield will always be efficient, and he will also be a "neutral" element that can mix with literally any comp that isn't freeze. His resist shield is omni shred, so it's always valuable. His CC works on literally any non boss mob. However, to be diplomatic: I suppose being super tanky does come at the cost of dps. Having him take up a slot removes someone that might give you more theoretical dps. But what if you need to dodge? What if you fail? What if you take fatal damage? What if you mess up your rotation? You've immediately lost any value you would have theoretically gained by swapping Zhongli out for this other unit. So, it really depends on the PLAYER on whether or not Zhongli is "meta" or not. For the VAST majority of the player base that isn't blessed and skilled to be a dark souls / elden ring level player with reflexes of the gods...yeah, he's definitely the META pick for them. The most efficient path to their goal: full clear of abyss. He occupies this weird zone of both META and not META at the same time. Schrodinger's unit. I'd say the better question is: Has zhongli's VALUE fallen off? Is he still as VALUABLE as he was after 1.3's buff/update? Yes. Resoundingly so. He is absolutely just as valuable and flexible, and even still, he gets BETTER with each update. More artifacts for HP, more buffing artifacts and supporting artifacts. Better supportive weapons that can be tossed onto him. Shield that goes well with Fontaine's squishy and HP draining units like Lyney and non C1 Neuvi. At C6, he even enables Hu Tao to wear the Marechausse Hunter set as it small heals her to proc the effect of it no problem. Niche, and only for mega simps/whales, but it just goes to show how good he is even in 4.1. He's incredible.
@@GxGNoirnot tryna harass you but from your spread sheets, lyneys team out dps hu tao. Idk how that works tho cause everyone says she's the best ST and no-one is saying anything about lyneys dmg.
I think you should make that video on why you don’t like VV tao cause after watching so many people use it, I’m a bit confused as to why you think it’s bad for a character who’s main gimmick is being able to delete bosses before they can get much attacks in. (Tao)
the other icewind suite coming in 4.1 will have 95% anemo resistance it would have been fine cuz i have my itto to deal with it but the boss right after it has 70% geo resistance so either way i'm fighting an uphill battle even with zhongli on both teams i wish there were other ways to shred anemo and geo smh
I find the layla rotations to be perfectly fine. You can do Layla qe bennett EQ if she is c6 - if she’s not c6 you can do the same thing but will not a brief delay before using bennett q. Check my wanderer layla rotation guide for more info. You can also check my written wanderer guide docs.google.com/document/d/10GaUKDis2-EBIPSJ3Ilc5aveOT7FW5C5gzWRfNVItTE/edit
Any thoughts on Zhongli with Tighnari? I haven’t found myself needing a shield with him since he charges his shots pretty fast but I’m wondering if the resistance shred would be worth it to build him. Right now I got Tighnari/Fischl/Beidou/Kokomi.
@@GxGNoirI upgraded him recently and at first I was trying to play him without a shielder, but after some time I had to give up because I was often getting interrupted and I was consistently clearing faster with a shielder. I think he can be played without a shielder because he has to fire only those 3 arrows he can charge very fast using his Skill, but I also think playing him without a shielder is not for everyone and for many people using a shielder will be better.
17:08 doesn't thoma's const reduce his burst cooldown to 17s? It's conditional, but assuming you always get hit, does that change anything? Edit: I was thinking about slingshot Yoimiya.
his c1 does yeah, but it itself has a 20s cooldown so you can only get it every other rotation - so you can do a sub 20s rotation first rotation but 2nd rotation will have to be 20s
Not exactly every other rotation but, for example: Rotation 1 lasts from 0-18s and Rotation 2, 18-36s. If you get hit at 5s you still have a window from 25s to 33s to get the cdr on the second rotation. But yeah. I guess it's unreliable to depend on. But still decent if you can guarantee a clear in around 3 rotations.
@@GxGNoiras the other person said you'd be able to get the cooldown back to back, but wanted to add Kazuha's Q actually procs Thoma's C1 with the element check (as does Wanderer's E) so you should be able to reliably proc it. Would be a different team though (Yoi Yelan Thoma Kaz) instead of Yunjin.
I would actually like to add that he adds a ton of overworld comfort as well. With his shield not being tied to a burst and having really good uptime. That and not to mention he is the best ore miner, and his pillar can help with vertical exploration.
Thank you for the very fair look at Zhongli. I love how you say "dying is a DPS loss".
Regarding Alhaitham: imho, Zhongli's value in Alhaitham teams is in spread rather than quickbloom (I wouldn't use him in quickbloom either), but yes he is a Baizhu sidegrade. I still pick him over Baizhu against aggressive enemies like consecrated beasts, for all the reasons you mentioned at the end.
He's also comfortable with Tighnari - since it's quickswap with plenty of time to burst, I like using a hybrid build that does over 100k bursts. And since I rarely use Nahida on this team (she's far more valuable on the other side), Albedo is a great flex slot for buffing 125EM to everyone, geo resonance and his own damage that synergizes extremely well with Yae. Not sure if this sheets well but it's a team I enjoy.
About the Ganyu section: I think it's worth mentioning that Zhongli's shield lasts a lot longer not just due to its uptime, but also because it absorbs more damage. Lasting 12s is nice, but if it breaks after two enemy hits and 6s then it doesn't matter that it was 12s. Xinyan's shield for example is made of paper.
About the Hu Tao section: Zhongli is important for IR, yes, but honestly I wouldn't trust myself to play a character who has to both hug the enemy and stay at lower HP without a very strong shield. I feel like I wouldn't be able to survive any abyss floors with a Hu Tao / Kazuha team with no sustain other than Xingqiu. I've done it before with Yanfei, but Yanfei is also very ranged and can stay far away from the enemy until Xingqiu's healing kicks in.
The thing with Hu Tao needing a shield all has to do with how you choose to build her in my experience. People tend to forgo building Hp because of em because they want to do slightly higher damage than have more survival. Typically when people have the problem you describe it’s because they either 1) have her on shimenawa, which limits her burst availability or 2) have her on crimson with an em sands.
I play her crimson with Hp sands and it’s very comfortable. Hydro resonance makes this even better. I do get an extra boost from having homa but even if I didn’t have that I’d still be fine. Playing her at “low Hp” means different things when you have various Hp thresholds. Since I have 37k low Hp for me is anything under 18.5, which is already higher than most regular characters build for. Building for Hp, plus her own healing and Xingqiu’s rainswords make the fourth slot on the team very flexible. I also think it’s more valuable when you’re dealing with things that one shot shields anyway. I even comfortably played her in abyss resets where there was corrosion.
Sorry for the long reply
Agree with most of the points,but I'd like to mention something about Layla+Yoimiya and Ganyu/Lyney
Yoimiya's melt team with Layla (for consolidating ST+AoE) is actually Double Cryo with Layla+ Ganyu .i.e Yoimiya-Layla-Ganyu(burst bot)-Venti .
In this case,Layla's cryo application is actually neccessary in ST to maintain consistent cryo uptime ( Venti+Ganyu will kill everything in AoE anyway),Probably even better with FS+Elegy,but you will want the Key to make Layla's shield stronger.
Also wanted to mention that playing Ganyu melt and Lyney are not as shield dependent as people might think.
In AoE,you have the flexibility use them as burst bots when the taunt doesn't work and the enemies are aggresive,and use that time to battery xiangling.When the enemies are taunted and aren't attacking you,you can use that time to do charged shots.
In ST,the enemy patterns are predictable,it is easier to plan when to use charged shots.
Although their personal damage is alot lower here,Xiangling's ER requirements are alot lower in these setups.
Still,I think Zhongli is slightly underrated,esp in hyperbloom and spread teams(which are underrated in general.
He is always meta, just not on abyss. His shield is just too op in open world content
I have to say considering Zhongli also has physical damage shred, he can work in an Eula party build. The party would consist of Eula, Raiden/Rosaria, Bennett, and Zhongli. Obviously not the best setup but definitely could be interesting to see and could have some potential
Didn’t mention her because, from my understanding, she gets a lot of interruption resistance already
@@GxGNoir true, but the point of my comment is that zhongli has synergy with Eula since he can petrify targets with his meteor thus allowing Eula to land more autos to increase her burst damage, since it’s physical and zhongli also having physical shred.
Im pretty sure using layla burst will steal melts in melt Ganyu. Even layla e can steal melts if you are very unlucky. Having tried diona, layla, and tankfei, i found the 12 second shield to be pretty awkward on her, shielding last stops her from getting 6 CA i believe.
Also when judging layla lynette, thier dmg is single target which may not matter much for aoe ganyu and xiao.
I like using Zhongli in my monoCryo Kaeya team (which is just Freeze but I replace Hydro against bosses).
Yes, using Shenhe would give me higher dps, but then I wouldn't have defensive units and I feel he is enough to make me save those primogems.
What’s the full team? Best mono cryo Kaeya team imo should be Kaeya Shenhe Kazuha layla. Layla at c6 actually does very good damage buffed by Kazuha and Shenhe while providing a strong shield still
@@GxGNoir my Layla is still C2 =[
I use Kaeya, Chongyun and Kazuha.
Hydro unit for Freeze used to be Xingqiu but C6 Candace does a good job in AoE (if the defensive utility isn't much needed), which is then replaced by Zhongli if I have to face a boss.
In the hu tao calcs did u consider sucrose since she can give her EM buff to hu tao and the shred from VV to yelan and xingqui when she swirls hydro . Also hu tao can use sub dps options in her double hydro like xiangling and maybe even fischl .
I think with hu tao zhongli is more of a comfort pick rather than the most optimal for dps considering hu tao is quite flexible since she also have VV vape teams that scale better with investment on her and in those teams zhongli can not be slotted in , although VV vape has some rotation issues after the first one , but with enough investment it is definitely one of hu Tao’s best teams ( homa , c1 , kazuha c2 , yelan c2 ) .
Also having an anemo unite like kazuha alone in double hydro might have similar damage to zhongli but in practice the grouping kazuha and to a lesser extent sucrose provides are more needed than a shielder for hu tao since she can self heal and has so much interrupt resist in her teams with xingqui , in many abysses even with bosses each half have at least one chamber that benefits so much from having a grouper and even though hu tao aoe isn’t the best using a grouper can make her charge attacks hit multiple enemies at the same time while they are grouped .
Again I agree that zhongli is very good with hu tao but he is definitely not as good as calcs can make him up to be because most unites that can be placed in the fourth slot will help hu tao solve some of her team issues like grouping with kazuha , aoe with xiangling.
Agree basically on all points and teams. Although, I am always of the stance that Zhongli in a Xiao team is overkill. Xiao plunges very rapidly, and it results in the window of him being interrupted being quite small. And if the player is familiar enough with enemy patterns they can time their plunges to perfectly dodge attacks (very satisfying, I will say). I always use Xiangling instead of a shielder and honestly from experience I get interrupted less with him than regular melee characters. I've also seen the argument that Zhongli allows running Xiao without a healer. But that just seems stupid. As a self respecting Xiao main I wouldn't run Xiao without Bennett
Zhongli being very universal is a very good point though, one that I, well considered, but undervalued I think. The fact that the other competitive options like Layla and Thoma are both 4 stars does have its merits but also caveats with 4 star drops being so random and unpredictable.
yeah I definitely agree that the argument of zhongli letting xiao not use a healer is a meaningless point since you use bennett anyway. hopefully people have learned by now that using albedo instead of bennett is bad
@@GxGNoirI rarely used Xiao, but I have him on my alt account. Doesn’t staying in Bennet’s circle limit Xiao’s mobility significantly?
Usually I prefer not using melee characters with Bennet. I do an exception with Childe because a great amount of Childe’s damage is front-loaded with his Burst, and because Xiangling deals a great amount of the team damage and she snapshots the buffs. I pretty much only use Bennet with Wanderer or Childe.
@@deadencicle there’s no good option he can use for that slot and not have mobility restricted
Zhongli’s Hold E takes too long. And his Burst animation takes forever. So fricken slow.
Yeah I definitely wish they were faster
I don't think "meta" is the correct term for Zhongli. It's strange. META stands for: Most Effective(efficient) Tactic Available. And to be honest, this does INDEED apply to Zhongli in many cases. With consecrated beasts, the most effective thing to do is to tank all the damage with a beefy shield while being very aggro to kill them as quick as possible. Zhongli enables this. I mean, having a shield to literally not worry about attacks is like THE most effective tactic to abuse...so by conventional definitions, Zhongli's value will never BE powercrept from the game. His Geo shield will always be efficient, and he will also be a "neutral" element that can mix with literally any comp that isn't freeze. His resist shield is omni shred, so it's always valuable. His CC works on literally any non boss mob.
However, to be diplomatic: I suppose being super tanky does come at the cost of dps. Having him take up a slot removes someone that might give you more theoretical dps. But what if you need to dodge? What if you fail? What if you take fatal damage? What if you mess up your rotation? You've immediately lost any value you would have theoretically gained by swapping Zhongli out for this other unit. So, it really depends on the PLAYER on whether or not Zhongli is "meta" or not. For the VAST majority of the player base that isn't blessed and skilled to be a dark souls / elden ring level player with reflexes of the gods...yeah, he's definitely the META pick for them. The most efficient path to their goal: full clear of abyss.
He occupies this weird zone of both META and not META at the same time. Schrodinger's unit.
I'd say the better question is: Has zhongli's VALUE fallen off? Is he still as VALUABLE as he was after 1.3's buff/update? Yes. Resoundingly so. He is absolutely just as valuable and flexible, and even still, he gets BETTER with each update. More artifacts for HP, more buffing artifacts and supporting artifacts. Better supportive weapons that can be tossed onto him. Shield that goes well with Fontaine's squishy and HP draining units like Lyney and non C1 Neuvi. At C6, he even enables Hu Tao to wear the Marechausse Hunter set as it small heals her to proc the effect of it no problem. Niche, and only for mega simps/whales, but it just goes to show how good he is even in 4.1. He's incredible.
Will build physical zhongli...😅
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@@GxGNoirnot tryna harass you but from your spread sheets, lyneys team out dps hu tao. Idk how that works tho cause everyone says she's the best ST and no-one is saying anything about lyneys dmg.
@@putent9623 it depends on the exact team for both of them. You can view my full spreadsheets in my discord! discord.gg/dWPeYt7nkM
I think you should make that video on why you don’t like VV tao cause after watching so many people use it, I’m a bit confused as to why you think it’s bad for a character who’s main gimmick is being able to delete bosses before they can get much attacks in. (Tao)
the other icewind suite coming in 4.1 will have 95% anemo resistance
it would have been fine cuz i have my itto to deal with it but the boss right after it has 70% geo resistance
so either way i'm fighting an uphill battle even with zhongli on both teams
i wish there were other ways to shred anemo and geo smh
Bro from your spreadsheets lyney out dps hu tao single target??
Is that true, how is that even possible
It depends on the exact team for both of them
What do you think of Thoma vs Layla for wanderer ? Isn't the rotation with layla a little too clunky to do with bannett on the team ?
I find the layla rotations to be perfectly fine. You can do Layla qe bennett EQ if she is c6 - if she’s not c6 you can do the same thing but will not a brief delay before using bennett q. Check my wanderer layla rotation guide for more info. You can also check my written wanderer guide docs.google.com/document/d/10GaUKDis2-EBIPSJ3Ilc5aveOT7FW5C5gzWRfNVItTE/edit
@@GxGNoir Thanks!
Any thoughts on Zhongli with Tighnari? I haven’t found myself needing a shield with him since he charges his shots pretty fast but I’m wondering if the resistance shred would be worth it to build him. Right now I got Tighnari/Fischl/Beidou/Kokomi.
I’ve always been told that Tighnari doesn’t need shield or healer so I’ve never looked into that
Gotcha, thanks!
@@GxGNoirI upgraded him recently and at first I was trying to play him without a shielder, but after some time I had to give up because I was often getting interrupted and I was consistently clearing faster with a shielder.
I think he can be played without a shielder because he has to fire only those 3 arrows he can charge very fast using his Skill, but I also think playing him without a shielder is not for everyone and for many people using a shielder will be better.
@@deadencicle yeah I agree
17:08 doesn't thoma's const reduce his burst cooldown to 17s? It's conditional, but assuming you always get hit, does that change anything?
Edit: I was thinking about slingshot Yoimiya.
his c1 does yeah, but it itself has a 20s cooldown so you can only get it every other rotation - so you can do a sub 20s rotation first rotation but 2nd rotation will have to be 20s
Not exactly every other rotation but, for example: Rotation 1 lasts from 0-18s and Rotation 2, 18-36s. If you get hit at 5s you still have a window from 25s to 33s to get the cdr on the second rotation.
But yeah. I guess it's unreliable to depend on. But still decent if you can guarantee a clear in around 3 rotations.
@@GxGNoiras the other person said you'd be able to get the cooldown back to back, but wanted to add Kazuha's Q actually procs Thoma's C1 with the element check (as does Wanderer's E) so you should be able to reliably proc it. Would be a different team though (Yoi Yelan Thoma Kaz) instead of Yunjin.
What do you even run on Dehya on Wanderer teams? Golden Troupe?
4 gilded dreams for more em to convert to attack buff with Aquamarine claymore. or 2em2em
@@GxGNoirah makes sense didn't even think of that for some reason lol