How Paimon LEAKED Her Own Identity | Genshin Impact Theory
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- Опубликовано: 18 июн 2024
- In this Genshin Impact Theory video, I will attempt to speculate on who Paimon really is. Is she the Sustainer of Heavenly Principles? The God of Time? A Seelie? Interestingly, we've already got a lot of clues in regards to finally explaining who Paimon is, because Paimon LEAKED her own identity without any of us realizing it.
This is the first video of my five part Genshin Impact Theory series. Throughout these videos, I will speculate on the entire story of Genshin Impact. But before we discuss everything about the game, we need to first try and identity who Paimon actually is. Is it possible that Paimon actually leaked her own identity throughout the game and we just didnt know about it? And what is the meaning of the False Sky that Scaramouche mentioned?
What are the secrets hidden behind the world of Genshin Impact and the existence of the traveler?
Hopefully this is a good starting to point to finally uncover the entire story of Genshin Impact.
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Hope you enjoy! This is the first part of my five part theory series!
Thank you all for waiting so patiently! We're BACK! :)
It was worth the wait! Love your contents
thank you for the subtitle!
Wow excited for the other parts
I like the eggshell concept
amazing theory video! Cant wait for the next one!
I love how the more we uncover the genshin lore, the more insane we get just like the Sumeru scholars 💀💀💀
And the Kingdom Hearts fans 💀
@@gustavju4686 LOL
Hopefully we don't end up with Eleazar
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But the latest sumeru quest reveal to us that paimon is not one of the descenders . She is belong to this world while phanes has been described as a outlander god, so she cannot be that thing
When we meet Rosalia, she says "Someone who can disappear and float to run away, you are very suspecius, and would be hard to catch" something along this lines, what means in the game they know that she disappears and reappears...
There's literally a Traveler voice line about Characters summoning and making their weapons disappear instantly and Traveler points out Paimon does the same thing
who?
@@hayond656 Paimon = weapon confirmed????
@@lost863 bruh new weapon banner pls
Idk if i would skip because HELL do i NOT want to hear her ever again or if i'd pull just to see (or hear?) her suffer from smacking enemies with her. Tough decision ngl
@@lost863 Switching to your Paimon is always faster than resharpening
An extra thought. The shop is literally called paimon's bargains. She sells wishes, her hair ornament is a wish star/primogem, her particles are constellations. She has a connection with summoning items and beings into the world
@@Dash7787 no it's EMERGENCY FOOD
Paimon is unknown villain
paimon better give me all those wishing ball things 😐
Fates? Lol
paimon is inspired by the demon paimon who is loyal to lucifer (traveller) and can make life forms ect
She also loves to name things!!! I think thats a major give a way because, if you are an inventor or a creator you will always name things you created, right? She really seems like a primordial one. 🥳🤗👍
ooooo wow i didnt even think about that hahaha
If that's the case then tayvet was the nicest name paimon ever gave.
@@wiphustkk5572 true
During the naming of the Wanderer in "As Though Morning Dew", Paimon states "Nope, Paimon only does nicknames! If it's a serious name you're after... it's all yours!" This kind of shoots down this argument entirely.
@@wiphustkk5572Tayvet?
The weird thing is even on sumeru, the land that full of researcher , there's no one that moderately curious about paimon.
Well, I mean there’s adepti, dragons, archons that commonly interact with their nation, a possibility of aranara, a fish girl thing, fennec fox people(?), human kitsunes and more in teyvat
I wouldn’t question it
edit: just learned that tighnari’s species are called “tighnarians” lmao
Yeah, but there are multiple instances of all of those things. We've never seen anything else remotely similar to Paimon. The adepti are the next closest, also being mostly unique, yet even those have some similarities that make them fairly identifiable -- and if people assumed she was an adeptus then they would have reacted quite differently to her, especially in Liyue. It's quite strange that everyone just seems to take her appearance for granted.
@@Mirality hm, I guess you’re right
maybe she’s a species that we’ve yet to see and they don’t wanna spoil? maybe in a future nation?
I mean people do question her somewhat. It's just that they never move anywhere past "oh she can float, weird."
@@Mirality yeah it's like paimon have some kind of magic that make it inconspicuous or something.
It’s also extremely weird too how there have been a few moments throughout the game where someone literally asks Paimon what she is, and instead of any reaction or response to the question, the conversation moves onto the next person, as if that question was never asked. It feels unnatural, forced, and it makes me wonder if there’s something that forces us to ignore or move past our curiosity about Paimon.
Only Albedo asks multiple times to study her
my brain heat up
@@steorrav yeah and that would make sense since Albedo's existence is from the Alchemist that broke the laws of the world fundamentally, and he isn't a real human, so he shouldn't be technically bound to all of the laws of Teyvat. So, he is likely capable of bypassing that instant memory wipe of wondering what Paimon is that others deal with.
Not to mention that mysterious sentence from Enjou (the abyss herald we meet in Enkanomiya): "take that little fellow by your side. Perhaps, you shall someday face betrayal from that corner too. Who knows?" and she gets sooo mad as if she desperately wanted him to stfu.
I agree with Lau
One thing I found interesting is the constant running joke about paimon being “emergency food” when it comes to mythology around planes I came across this “Phanes was also said to be a dying and resurrecting god, killed by the Titans who devoured his flesh but rescued by Athena and resurrected by Zeus.” Super hardcore
Isn't that the same backstory for Dionysus of the Orphic Cult
I always joked that Paimon is actually the strongest character in the game. I always thought she was in the water for a reason and her being knocked out. Also caused her to forget her memory and her own power. I have this feeling that there will be a cutscene where the Traveler gets in a critical condition and is near death. Paimon might get angry at this and use some of her power against the enemy. I doubt she will betray us. (Note I haven't even seen the video yet. So this is me before watching the video)
considering the most she has done is check the traveler and scream when in danger i kind of doubt that. throw back to the time raiden shogun almost killed traveler
It either becomes a Betrayal or a Sacrifice, that's usually how special mysterious bonds go
Ik that it’s perfectly possible that paimon betrays us, but i REALLY hope that’s not the case.
She's in the game? Literally she's the logo of the game
That's what I thought,
She's be so frighten to the point she doesn't run away and just fights back.
I can see it happening.
Something that stuck out to me about Paimon was a dialogue from the aranyaka quest:
Arama: "From sunrise to sunset, I gained centuries worth of memories, and that's why Paimon thinks I've changed a lot. But there's no need to worry."
Paimon: "That's so convenient! If only people could gain knowledge like that... Huh, why does that sound familiar to Paimon?"
... wasn't she referring to knowledge capsules?
@@sayumujina8327 I thought that's possible, but this quest is accessible before Sumeru Archon Quests and doesn't really reference other happenings in Sumeru (though it does Inazuma even if you haven't reached it).
Also knowledge capsules don't typically have centuries worth of information. But yes, she could just be referring to the knowledge capsules, it's unclear
I think she was just referring to the similarity between the aranara's and the Akasha system as they are both creations of the dendro archon
@@farukmehmethanelmas8382 yet again like the guy said we dont need to do the archon quest for aranyaka quest
I always figured that it could be that Paimon is from Celestia, but has amnesia, and will probably remember everything when we get to that point in the story, at which point she will end up being either the Upholder of Heavenly Principles herself, a fragment of her similar to how Kun Jun was a fragment of Azhdaha, or a god who for some reason opposed the Upholder of Heavenly Principles and had to take drastic measures to escape from her but lost her memories as a result.
something I've been thinking about is when nahida takes us to see rukkhadevata's last memory, and we see how corrupted it is. Nahida says it shouldn't be a problem for paimon, my first thought was that it was a jab at her being emptyheaded, but it didn't seem right because nahida isn't really the type to backhand like that, then I thought, considering she has access to literally all known history, maybe she just *knew* something.
I like that idea, but I still think she was teasing Paimon. Everyone teases our emergency food.
@@anorexicsanta respect, I just think the placement was a bit too odd the be a dig at her. I don't recall her teasing anyone in that way at all before, and the conversation was a little serious for her to just throw that in. But that's fair because it feels like a bit of a stretch.
Wait facts nahida didn’t take a single crack or laugh at anyone else and it wasn’t even in a joking way as they were slighly worried due to the corruption - and as we’ve seen paimon can interfere with light so maybe she was what caused that ? Eh idk
we know that it took two gnoses for nahida and the traveller to go or sustain or be protected when going through Rukhadevvata's consciousness. So, if Paimon isn't having any side effects, it could mean that she has something similar or powerful as a gnosis inside of her that's always protecting her from corruption? maybe not exactly a gnosis but maybe there's elevated power that's more than adeptis or even the traveler.?
Lol she was definitely calling Paimon dumb
Paimon is definitely an Archon or another kind of divine being. All current Archons go by many names but one of them are always from the Ars Goetia (a real book, known as The Book of Demons). Barbatos (Venti), Morax (Zhongli), Baal (Raiden), Buer (Nahida) and Focalor (Hydro Archon), are all names from the demons of the Ars Goetia. Her design is very reminiscent of Dainsleaf and the Abyss Order as well. I can safely assume she’s from Khaenri’ah. Possibly their forgotten/erased Archon. Makes sense as they claim they have no God and Paimon can’t recall her memories.
She’s definitely a much bigger piece in the story than she seems. She doesn’t have that name by chance.
i do agree with this & Paimon definitely not a Primordial One
edit: i guess she is Istaroth but comes with another name
OH MY GOD UR RIGHTTTTT
I think this is the biggest clue. Her name and no memory!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Ya that's definitely possible
this was literally my theory as well too!!!
One thing that really stood out to me was when we first met the sentient mushroom deep in the chasm. At one point in the dialog, the mushroom, sensing Paimon's presence, described her as a "two-legged hatchling".
I think it stood out to me for two main reasons: First, Paimon is rarely remarked on in any substantial way. Secondly, of all manner's of coming into the world, why specifically "hatched"? It's neither how mushrooms (fungi) or people (mammals) are born, which would both have more familar ways of referencing. Perhaps it's because Paimon floats/flys like an insect or bird, but it certainly fits with the Primordial one being "birthed from an egg".
I always thought that egg shell or false sky protects teyvat from other species who used it as a place to fight (archons war, second one vs primordial one), it's kinda sus that from hundreds of so called gods there are only 7 left and they representing 7 thrones. Maybe there a lot of other creatures as powerful as archons, but fake sky protects teyvat.
thats why forbidden knowledge makes people go insane, it is forbidden in teyvat to learn it, it will make you go insane, its part of the protection, no matter who you are. in teyvat, you are under the protection of the firmament, if you desire to destroy the world with forbidden knowledge, you will not be allowed. you probably should be able to read this knowledge if you were to be in abyss reading it, or anywhere outside of firmaments defenses@@flame_ofhope
I think this should help end the debate on which twin is the canon MC.
Paimon IS the MC.
more dialogue than traveler lmao
PAIMON IS THE GENSHIN IMPACT!!!!!!!!!???????????
She does have more dialogue lol
not only that but she's the constant. Aether and Lumine are subject to change but Paimon is forever our guide.
an mc that cant fight 💀💀💀
Teyvat being a prison at least explains why the Sustainer of Heavenly Principles wouldn't let the travelers leave. Also I like Albedo because he was the first character to actually question Paimon's existence and try to find out what she is, and what she's capable of (blasting 10 feet through stone, making waterfalls flow backwards). I believe this whole "Teyvat is a prison" thing also fits well with the Fatui's goal. They are collecting all the Gnosis' for some reason, and what I think that reason is is to escape Teyvat, or essentially "break" the jail. Destroy the gods that put them there. The Gnosis are like a super battery of divine power, so gathering all the gnosis' would possibly make you strong enough to beat these figures that represent the constraints of mankind. The Fatui aren't evil. Their methods are definitely evil, but their end goal is not (why I think all the fatui we talk to seem to believe they are protecting everyone).
Also Enjou tried to mess with the traveler's mind by telling them Paimon may betray them someday for all they know
Interesting... I wonder if instead that's the Abyss Order's objective (hence why Traveler's twin is working with them... because they want to escape). My fantheory is that the Fatui are actually arch-nemeses of the Abyss and trying to stop them, it's just that they have no moral restrictions (will destroy entire cities to meet their goal) which makes the Fatui at-best Chaotic Neutral.
It's also possible that escaping is what Khaenri'ah was working toward too (via trying to make their own god).
I have a theory that there's some kind of force in place that prevents anyone from seeing Paimon as weird. Maybe especially intelligent and inquisitive characters can sometimes resist it like how Albedo briefly scrutinized her. It would be interesting to have a compiled list of every time a character has questioned the nature of Paimon's existence.
@@burnoutcat2387 I think Enjou might have been making a reference to how Dainsleif "betrayed" our abyss sibling, since Dainsleif was essentially their Paimon.
@@caseylp7121 yep that's why I said messed with the traveler's mind, I also doubt Enjou actually knows whatever Paimon is anyway
Plus you're right there's no way he doesn't know who Dainslief is since he's ranking pretty high in the abyss order he'd have heard of a traitor
Another tidbit that stuck with me was Paimon's investment in the dead adventurer's story ("Thus was the Work Done in Vain") from last year's Golden Apple Archipelago event. Throughout the quest line, even Paimon recognized that, logically, they can't change what happened to Wolfgang, and yet she begged the traveler to try anyway. The writer in me looks at this and recognizes either, a character who has lived through/seen the same pattern and has an unconscious need to take action where they couldn't in a past event, OR a character who has the subconscious muscle memory of being able to do something about it, in this case, changing fate.
Paimon's almost hyper-fixation on helping Wolfgang almost feels like a child's inability to fully grasp the concept of death, and if we were to go way out on a limb and superimpose Nahida's current state as a child god coming about through expending her power and physically regressing because of it, suddenly Paimon's childish tendencies make more sense through this theory crack lens as well...
I don't know, I just think about it sometimes. Mihoyo is known to hide big lore in small crevices during one time events and this was very in depth for essentially a side quest.
I have another one, what if Paimon actually wanted to stop us from meeting our sibling so we could stop traveling to different universes? It makes sense also because she stops us from going to certain places, spawning random events to slow us down and also another fact: no one seems to know about primos In tevyat but…paimon’s blue hair clip is shaped like one so it proves that she’s the primordial one
I never thought about the primogem thing, they seem to be relevant to the idea of paimon being the primordial one considering how there is an exclusive shop for primogems accessible only via paimon, also youre rewarded 1 primogem everytime you unlock combat info which further supports the fact that paimon is a guide.
if she wanted that we wold be already so dead that we would be dead period and that wold be final bescue she does say of what is final irconly entogh. thats is how its ginogto be in gehin impact. what ever you do DO NOT temp her to say and thats final in a argemnt. this is bescue um if she would do that then its aclty gingot be final forever. this is bcsue she is teh omega argon in sconud of comand of the whole gihin universe untill she got into a arguemnt with the unkown god and got all the merorys and powers kocked the S**** out of her 500 years ago.
@@ashtiboy alright alright put away the phone time to take your medicine
primo-gem, primo-rdial.
\*mic drop*
to me it's pretty crystal clear that what happened to Paimon is exactly what happened to Guoba. Giving up their power and falling into a deep slumber until one day they are found by a random person. Xiangling in Guoba's case and the Traveller in Paimon's case.
We have never been told what Paimon was doing before she got fished up by the traveller, and that probably is because she was asleep and had lost the better part of her memory. Same for Guoba, he doesn't remember a lot of stuff but he wasn't a newborn either. To me they are pretty obvios parallels
Doesn't make much sense for her to be asleep by the time we find her, since she does in fact hold memories of other countries and volunteers to be our travel guide.
Not much use of a travel guide if she doesn't know the places in the first place. It's obvious that she HAS traveled the lands for some time before meeting the Traveler.
@@kilerdude5660 Perhaps she was able to remember more because she is a more powerful being.
@@kilerdude5660 so far we have two concrete examples and one theoretical example of a god expending their power and shrinking. It happened to Rukkhadevata shrinking into Kusanali, The Stove God shrinking into Guoba(s), and theoretically Asmoday/God of Time shrinking into Paimon. Out of all of them, the Stove God is the weakest, so it makes sense Guoba barely has any memories. I didn't say no memories, because it seemed like he still remembers Zhongli.
Rukkhadevata was absolutely smarter and more powerful than the Stove God, so when Kusanali was found, she had no memory of being Rukkhadevata, but she did have her wisdom intact for the most part.
Now in Paimon's case, her original form is more than likely more powerful and knowledgeable (debatable) than both the Stove God and Rukkhadevata, so even after shrinking, she retains some intelligence and memories, but like the other two, she has no memories of being whatever original god she theoretically used to be.
But then again, we still don't know exactly how these shrinking gods work, my guess is the more powerful/smart the god, the more knowledge/power they retain when they shrink
@@SpencerJWang agree
@@SpencerJWang Can't wait to see Paimon's reaction when she finds out who she really was. She always makes funny comments.
Paimon could also be a fragment of Phanes's consciousness, since the Demiurge also loves humans dearly. Paimon is the P.O.'s goodwill and love for humans personified, even though they might be sealed away. This is the same thing that happened with Azhdaha, sealed and eroded but the consciousness divided itself in order to perform one last act of goodwill for Liyue, which is to lead Morax and the Traveller to help establish the barrier again to keep Azhdaha from destroying Liyue. And Teyvat is basically getting destroyed recently so since PO created this world he probably can feel what's going on and coincidentally appeared before the Traveler to use them as catalyst to save Teyvat.
Edit: And once Teyvat is saved and the purpose is fulfilled, Paimon will disappear.
That does make sense in a lot of ways, who else but a traveler of worlds be the one to help the Primordial one restore celestia to it's proper ruler?
"Paimon will disappear." Noooooo. Nahida Archon quest PTSD
@@mamonth6985 Nice 👌😂
she better not! or else time to Unalive hoyoverse
@@thunderspark1536 that makes so much sense. If I’m not wrong, celestia isn’t the original ruler of Teyvat. Maybe we work together with Snezhnaya and the abyss at the end to overthrow celestia and the throne gets returned to the primordial one, who is Paimon. Maybe if she gets back her memories, she can return to her original form?? Idk, Genshin lore is kinda confusing
That's a wild theory, but not a baseless one. But what I honestly find most baffling is how everyone in the game seems to acknowledge that Paimon is kind of out of place, but simply shruggs it off. We hear a lot of people refer to her as a mascot or some sort of toy robot. But as soon as they learn that she is in fact not that, but a genuine living creature, they're just like... "Oh well, guess I was wrong. 🤷♂", and move on with whatever they were doing!
I just realized something. Have you guys noticed all the archon have demon names for their Goetic name? Barbatos, Morax, Beelzebub, Buer and Paimon are all demon names.
This can't be a coincidence. Paimon must be a newborn Archon like Buer was born after Greater Lord Rukkhadevata died.
I'm astonished how long it took me to realise this.
If we ever fight paimon, I can easily imagine of her saying related to emergency food or something
my sibling and I found out that a LOT of things from Genshin just come from the old Testament. Adam and Eve ? Lumine and Aether. All the demon names you mentioned are also from the old Testament. Even the Hypostasis names are (almost) hebrew letters : Aleph, Bet, Gimel, Dalet, He, Zayin, Ayin...
If you got time, I highly recommend you to dive in this shit because the more you read about it the more links you make with genshin. And ultimately we may be able to guess new things after all.
@@oxymore13 Gnostic interpretations of the holy scriptures, which is an entirely different thing from Christianity and Judaism.
One thing to note is that in Yoimiya's voice-over dialogues, she tries to imitate the sound when paimon "disappears" so that might mean something.
Pikachu is trying to learn giga impact
it doesnt mean shit you're literally losing your sanity, i swear so many people in these genshin theory comments try to sound and act so smart lmao
@@sagesbackup3742 the game is becoming lamer every update
There was a line in traveler's voice lines, paimon asked traveler how can he make his weapon disapear,so traveler asks how can paimon disapear and reappear,so it is Canon that paimon can suddenly disappear.
@@sagesbackup3742 bruh calm down.
In the recent Archon quest, we get confirmation from Dottore that the sky and stars are fake. We also get a major lore dump about the Traveler not being of this world but the "sibling" you have been chasing after IS from Teyvat, which is crazy. This actually made me think that the Traveler is that unknown God that mimicked the appearance of the "sibling" and overwrite both of their memories to think they are twins. This could be an elaborate plan to break the false sky or something but I definitely believe it is fully connected to Paimons real identity.
Yess cause in the new trailer from kaeya „we“ look into a mirror which shows us our other twin, maybe meaning that we are the other twin and that the other one never existed. Therefore also a fake twin
funny how i thought the same thing
@@sophiatsalikis9020 I believe that the travelers are still siblings. There is another theory out there, "EXPLAINED - Why the Sibling IS a Descender | Genshin Impact Theory" by Teyvat Historia, that since a branch can be taken off Irminsul. Then with enough power a false branch can be added on. They theorized that Dainsleif (They go into more detail as to why him,) had added a branch to Irminsul changing the Abyss sibling's origin to that of Teyvat. It was a really well thought through and I highly reccomend watching it. It also would be interesting though if a false branch was added to give us a fake twin.
I hope not because that would make many of the emotional points of the story feel cheapened to me. Personally, I think, if you paid attention at this windblume, Sucrose gave us a hint. The language used during the archon quest is that we are not OF this world, but our sibling is. In windblume, one of Sucrose's thoughts when trying to figure out the "find me a flower that is not of this world" part of the prophecy, she suggests that there is a difference between "OF this world" and "FROM this world" being two different things, which if that's true, our sibling could be FROM the same place we are but something's happened to make them fully integrated into Teyvat. They're not from this world but they are OF this world.
@@creatingpulsars9979 This would further push the theory that someone added Lumine's branch to Irminsul. Making her of this world, connected to it through Irminsul, but not from this world. Does Nahida say the exact words "Your sibling is of this world." Because all I saw was that decenders do not BELONG to this world. In the eng translation atleast.
The Eggshell isn't just a prison, it also protects those within from predators outside. One popular theory is that there are things outside that eggshell beyond human comprehension and ability to combat or resist, and that without the eggshell, we'd be nothing more than food for something else. It would also mean that we're meant to evolve beyond our current selves at some point, or, rather, Phanes, who we all would be fragments of, is meant to evolve in to perfection eventually when it/us is ready to hatch and leave the proverbial primordial nest.
welp my main oc is baslcy on teh the top dogs that if you where to see it fight a evel villian ment to try to fight them on a euqal power scaleing then entire tirillinos of tirllinos of mutiverses would go boom in the cross fire. heck but i doudt that egg shell would keep the worse multi mtuivrse scall oc fan fiction villins out for very long that is.
Maybe the Unknown God came from outside of the Eggshell and wishes to conquer Teyvat. She wanted to manipulate the twins into shattering the Eggshell hence why she attacked them and cast them out instead of letting them go onto the next world as they wanted. However, only one twin ended up becoming 'evil' like she wanted instead of both since they ended up falling into different time periods. Now, one is going down a path that will result in shattering the Eggshell if they succeed in their endeavours while the other is protecting Teyvat and being a thorn in the Unknown God's side potentially ruining their plans.
Notice how Paimons eyes look like the clock
and also her cape
Paimon being the Primordial One also compliments the theory that Paimon is the one making us, the player, look like any the other characters in the game (explaining why she's always there when we pause, and why characters can heal, be buffed or even revived using food, one of her favorite things).
If she really was the origin point of everything and the creator of mankind, mimicking the appearances and abilities of the residents of Teyvat, even if they are gods, would be ridiculously easy for her.
she could be like Nahida and shapeshift technically
Not to mention that she would be all-knowing if she is also a reference to King Paimon. Which makes it all the more terrifying.
King Paimon's powers: Knowledge of past and future, making spirits appear, creating visions, clearing up doubts, acquiring and dismissing servant spirits, re-animating the dead for several years, flight, remaining underwater indefinitely, and making all things appear.
Plus, Paimon didn't create us. We exist outside of Teyvat.
Since Paimon taught us the Teyvat language after we woke up, I guess the sustainer was speaking in a language that the siblings know. Paimon and the twins could very well be from the same world if she was the Primordial one which I doubt since the Interlude shows that Paimon is affected by Irmisul which outlanders should be immune to.
well actly she not but she is the omega part of it however if you know bible mithaogly then you will nkwo what i mean.
Or maybe guys, just maybe (I know this will sound crazy) you can do these things, because it's a fucking video game
@@Apate- (I know this will sound crazy) But people enjoy games in seperate ways, if you don't enjoy theories or possible explanations as to how the game mechanics work story wise. Maybe don't click on a theory video? Don't go hate on people having fun. Plus Hoyoverse is notorius for making their game mechanics play into the story. I don't believe this theory all to much but I can see some feasibility in it.
Whoever paimon is or will going to be, she is, and always will be the BEST and closest partner throughout this entire journey.
I agree. I find it extremely hard to believe that she’ll turn on the Traveler willingly given how close they are and how empathetic she has proven to be
@@lostpotato8363 yeah, but theres also the chance she’s faking :’/
Because she’s the only one.
@@MythologicaYT She definitely is hiding something or maybe Paimon is just being Paimon but remember the Chasm quest when Itto ask if Paimon want to enter the door (reveals someone's past like Itto and the bowl of beans)? She replies "N-No way! Somebody else do it, Paimon's scared...". I was hoping we get at least one info about Paimon's past but nope.
No actually she's incredibly annoying and sabotages every scene she's in with her incessant stupidity and whining.
It's incredibile to think the possibility the creators already wrote the general story so well, so in details, that even a really small thing like Paimon being upset and annoyed when we say she's useless can be related to that demiurge stuff.
I can't believe how everything was planned so carefully that even a thing like this was not by chance
Omg I just thought about how creepy that is that when “time” is paused, Paimon is still aware and moving around 😅
this is incredible, one more thing that's wired about Paimon is that she introduced herself as Teyvat, and she seems to know pretty much about certain things, like she explained to us that Monstat is the city of freedom, that there are 7 gods ect. but anyone in the world seems to have ever seen her or anything like her, and she doesn't even try to justify it, she just changes the topic or "gets mad". So, how could she know so much without clearly even ever been around the world actually?
this is why I think the Seelie thing might have some weight.
Have you tried D&D ?
Honestly one wonky (joke) theory is that Paimon is the game master of the tabletop rpg that genshin would be. She guides you but only in the areas she knows, and explains to you how things work when you enter a new area. She panicks whenever something doesn't go according to plan. She's constantly roasted by everyone. She's easily bribed with food. She gives you hints when you're taking too long to solve a puzzle.
She's totally the DM lmao
@@oxymore13lmao "how about we explore the area (I haven't come up with yet) later?"
She still gotta think about the weapons, artifacts, reward distribution, no wonder her brain juice is mostly dry.
Additional information that you haven't mentioned in the video
The game itself is titled 原神 (Genshin) which translates to Original God which can be derived as the Primordial One. Guess who's the mascot and the logo of the game... it's Paimon!
Seriously, I too think that Paimon might be the supreme God
I've seen other games and media pull this trick. Like the supreme being decides to be the comic relief. Just for the lols. Some avatar of them wanders around saying and doing silly things pretending not to know things till it's important that they do.
And yeah... And the one who's playing is the Lucifer 😃
Also if you look up Paimon on google (just paimon not Genshin) and it tells you that paimon is the god science and answering questions
@@maguszeal5818Reminds me of a certain odd guy in Dragon Age Inquisition.
I also want to add that in Fontaine as we talk to the melusines one of them says that they don't see things like the rest and says that Paimon seems to be connected through a line all the way up to the sky
If this is anywhere close to where they're going, this is the sort of story depth I would love to see in more games. This is even a depth I will see only some of the time in novels. It does seem to fall together really nicely. So nicely that I am inclined to think you're on to something. It'll be in the back of my mind as more is uncovered in the game.
at 11:27, he says "who are the four shades." In the final chapter of the Sumeru story quest, when the Traveler asks Nahida about their sibling, Nahida answers that their sibling is from this world because there is data of them from Greater Lord Rukkhadavata. Nahida mentions that you, the traveler newest out of four people from outside of another world to come into Teyvat. Perhaps you, and the other 3 people what represent the shades.
Ah you mean the descenders
@@klowee5240 Yes, that's what I meant!
except there are 5 descenders, aloy is the 5th
@@janouk. Oh, I see, id didn't know that. Thanks for informing me!
@@ec1ipsed93 It hasn't been mentioned but the Descender name is given to all travelers from another world, and since aloy is a traveler from another word that makes her a Descender. It's just a name given, I don't think they have a relation with each other (other than being from another world ofc)
The most sus lines from paimon in my opinion are
“Why does paimon have to be a clock on the wall”- the recent archipelago event
Paimon has been deeply associated with time control (as Albedo said she could make rivers flow backwards, water being a common association with time, or all the other related sus time things like the pause menu and in game clock, istaroth and more)
I don’t know this next line perfectly but it goes something like:
“Traveler.. paimon doesn’t know how to say it but we should come back here later” and behind that wall there are tons of treasure chests being watched over by an aranara)
but it’s sus because there is literally no way she or the traveler could have known that, this is either a hint that paimon can sense treasure like seelies, a hint that paimon has been here before/the world is running in a loop (something Nahida confirmed), or that the devs wanted a lazy way to hint about the treasure but it seems to specific to be a throwaway line and paimon has a sus reputation for stuff like this
We knew about the treasure because of the map we were following. When we get there there is no treasure so Paimon assumes we should collect all of the earlier treasures first before going for the last one.
@@nitogame that makes a lot more sense then
Still she didn’t have to word it like that, it felt as if she didn’t know even if she had a map
I remember that the second voiceline came when i was exploring vanarana and came across a waypoint in a cave that had a withering zone in it. As i was about to clear out the withering zone she said that and it took me by surprise.
I don't think Paimon can be Istaroth. Paimon's name is from the Ars Goetia, which means "Paimon" must be her true name, which in turn means she can't be Istaroth (also a name from the Ars Goetia)
This was....incredible. I have yet to even glance at the game, yet this theory video was right up my alley. I love mythology and celestial legends. Especially Greek mythology. This was really well done and fun.
I've never wanted to play it more.
I think the name Paimon provides some details on what she truly is. Quoting on what was mentioned on the wiki "It is specify that his knowledge includes all arts and "secret Things", such as knowledge regarding the Earth, its waters, and the winds." It is also mentioned that he is able to answer all questions asked of him, claiming that he can reveal hidden treasures as well as highlighting that he knows all the affairs of the world.
A while back I was researching a lot of demons because I was curious about why archons had demon names, and I feel like quite a few people already know but paimon is also a demon name so I decided to dig up some more stuff about this demon king that could be used for more theorising.
First of all, “paimon is one of the Kings of Hell and more obedient to Lucifer than other kings are.” Lucifer means ‘shining one’ or ‘light-bearer’, Lumine means ‘light’ or ‘to light up’ and Aether means multiple similar things: the heavens, the air or sky, the upper world or the brightness surrounding a deity. As you can see lumine, aether and lucifer himself seem to have some connection to light *and* paimon.
Here are also some of paimon’s powers with a few similarities to our little in-game friend: “In Abramelin, King Paimo(n)'s powers include knowledge of past and future events, clearing up doubts, making spirits appear, creating visions (👀), acquiring and dismissing servant spirits, reanimating the dead for several years, flight (we know she can float), remaining underwater indefinitely (we fished her out of the ocean), and general abilities to "make all kinds of things" and "all sorts of people and armor appear" at the behest of the magician.”
Also:
“The Goetia and Weyer specify that his knowledge includes all arts and "secret Things", such as knowledge regarding the Earth, its waters, and the winds.” And “with the former source also claiming that he can reveal hidden treasures” similar to a seelie, right?
And to go deeper into the “paimon is a seelie” theory here’s what the seelie wiki says: “According to legend, Seelie are the remnants of a bygone race that once held beautiful forms and immense wisdom and used it to guide mankind; travelling alongside them and teaching them languages and "philosophies of nature". They had palaces outside the realm the gods currently hold authority over which may be referring to Celestia or, more likely, the Dark Sea.” I mean paimon travels alongside us too and she literally refers to herself as our guide. There’s also a bit about one of the seelie’s ancestor meeting a traveller from afar and falling in love with them… although I hope that’s not the case with us.
PAIMON ALSO HAS A VOICELINE IN THE CHARACTER’S VOICLINES WHERE SHE SAYS THAT SHE TAUGHT US THE LANGUAGE OF TEYVAT. More fuel for the Seelie connection!
This is what I was thinking. Also helluva boss 👀
Maybe paimon is a traveler's servant, because if she only believes in the light bearer.
I CAN ASSUME THAT LUMINE is LONG LONG DIED before AETHER came in, and may possible that Aether is LUMINE"S Reincarnation or vice Versa.
"because Enoch" there is Very first ADAM before CANON ADAM we knew in bible,
which is the real HUSBAND of LILITH in BIBLE, it's safe to assume too that because the first Adam is (sort of corrupted) GOD (YHWH) recycles First ADAM and create CANON ADAM, since CANON ADAM is younger and GOD (YHWH) asked LILITH to submit to CANON ADAM, cuz rebellion of LILITH and BECOME DEMON, hence GOD Create EVE from CANON ADAM
Yep. It is my theory that teyvat is an eternal prison, not dissimilar to 'hades'. However unfairly it was that they were sent there.
Mihoyo has stated a long time ago that the characters we obtain in game are "dream versions" of the story/real characters. The reason we even pull on banners is due to Paimon's abilities. Primordial gems = primogems. Paimon in real life lore is a demon who can breathe underwater forever, can copy abilities and humans, and has time/space abilities if I remember correct. The characters we collect are copies created by Paimon, not meant to be the story characters joining our party. Only the traveler/player can see them, just as only the traveler/player can see teleport points and other features. Paimon used copies of the Unknown God's cubes in the Jade Chamber battle for a few frames. Albedo is artificial life with his own evil twin copy. Could it be Paimon has a connection to Albedo?
This part is always controversial to people, but I thought maybe Paimon was sent from Celestia to spy on the traveler. It would explain her belief she will separate from the traveler some day. It would explain why Paimon was there drowning the moment he woke up. Lore stated the mythology demon Paimon can breathe underwater, so perhaps she was ordered to pretend to drown to avoid the traveler's suspicion when he woke up. If this is the case, she probably waited the entire time for the traveler to awaken. Her goal may be to copy the traveler's world crossing abilities so Celestia can be Gods of parallel worlds instead of only Teyvat. People have told me: no Paimon probably just lost her memories so she really was drowning. Seems too sussy still that she was drowning just as he wakes up.
When we learn Paimon's identity it will most likely be around the time we go to Celestia to fight a final boss or semi-final boss, leading me to believe she either rebels Celestia or is with them and sharing their goals. If she is with Celestia, further evidence is that she has this habit of loving to sidetrack traveler and has him explore all regions. While always seeming eager agreeing to side quests and helping people out. Time is of the essence if Paimon really wants Aether to find his sister soon. I think Aether wants to join his sister first, then explore and save the world later. It seems like Paimon wants the journey to progress a certain way for her own motives. Paimon is the one who blocks us from traveling to unreleased regions.
Paimon might even know where Lumine is and she may know all that Lumine has done while Aether was sleeping. Paimon's task from Celestia could be: spy on the traveler/lead him in the wrong direction/ prevent him from joining forces with Lumine/don't let him travel through the regions too quickly/and lead him to Celestia so you can copy his world hopping power for the Gods to gain.
If she is a rebel of Celestia instead, it means Celestia orders her to do things or else get killed, so she obeys until she has a chance to fight back with the traveler (endgame)
I don't believe she has amnesia, she wouldn't be hiding the fact she can use the cube power from Aether and everyone. She would probably not remember how to copy powers/people or how to manipulate time. It would make sense for her to remember every power she was besides breathe underwater. She obviously waited for the traveler to wake up, unlikely it was fate they met the way they did.
She seems genuinely nice at times so maybe she is risking her life to rebel Celestia's orders, then again she hasn't been honest either.
No one in Teyvat recognizes Paimon so she either lived underwater for a long time or arrived from Celestia before the traveler woke up.
A huge question I still have is where is the Sustainer now and what is she up to? Does Lumine being with the Abyss Order have anything to do with Celestia/Paimon? Is Rosaria the only character suspicious of Paimon? At this point I wouldn't be surprised if Aether is already suspicious of Paimon.
If i remember correctly, Katherine also see the teleports
But good theory, i like the way you thinking
Ok this is really interesting
Where can i find that information that was revealed from mihoyo? Also I always wondered why people had to travel such lenghts when teleport waypoints are a thing
kathrine and dainslief both acknoledged the existance of teleport points
I honestly think that the crown represents the primordial one. As the primordial one had a crown. And in domains, on top of the tree there are 5 crowns which probably represents phanes and its 4 shades. There is also a theory that the unknown god is the god of space, which is one of the 4 shades as you theorized. If we combine most of the theories about paimon or celestia related it would actually made some sense.
Dude
Your videos and theorys are awesome
Very informative and entertaining
It’s kind of obvious at this point that Paimon represents some form of the sustainer of the heavenly principles. The abyss enemy in the enkanomiya quest also mentions to be careful of betrayal pointing at Paimon.
Actually, its quite likely that Paimon is the archon of stars (which is the eighth element used by Dainslief) and the archon of Khaenri'ah. After the Irminsul reveal I read a reddit post that theorized that she was erased from Irminsul after the catalycism. That is why nobody remembers her, and why Khaenri'ah was claimed to have no archon. That is why the sky is fake - because after she was erased, Celestia had to replace her with a fake sky. It is also why she has star motifs (along with Dainslief), why the abyss is filled with stars, why stars are such an important piece of the worldbuilding, and why she can control the day and night - she doesnt control time, she controls the sky to bring in stars
Another thing to note is that Paimon is quite definitely the king piece because of Khaenri'ahs importance, the design of her head and the fact that Khaenri'ah is the last place the Traveller goes to (Venti is the queen because Monstadt is where the traveller **arrives**), and because the queen - anemo - is related to the sky, which the new element of Astro is related to too
@@necromelodia2432 wait I like this theory, I've always wondered about the stars but nobody seems to talk about it. I'm also wondering how the siblings could be related to stars as well, since they also have multiple star motifs with them.
@@necromelodia2432OMG
I agree with this theory
The primordial one was known to fight with the second one, where the primordial one lost.
Similar to guoba and greater lord/kusanali, where they used up their power and shrunk, paimon used up her power to save the word/people and shrunk. She lost her previous memory and met the traveler.
i actually think this speculation might work but... you see Paimon and primordial one are completely different beings. Paimon clearly acts like a lady, even in albedo's drawing we see her as a majestic princess where as the Primordial one is androgynous in nature. maybe paimon is one of the moon sisters? or maybe she's a seelie?
@@thechosen0ne1 i think Paimon does look like a girl but if you play in Japanese, she speaks like a boy. She uses oira for I and ends her sentences with zo, which is a common speech pattern among young Japanese boys. It's also a recurring theme in the game, boys looking like girls - venti, xingqiu. Just thought I'd put that out there. I don't know if it would mean anything, I just thought that it's worth noting.
That does present another question, who exactly are the Second Who Came? Obviously it has to be whoever is ruling Celestia now. But we have more information on the Primordial One's dealings than the Second. Hopefully we get more Celestia lore soon!
@@azhaneeothman I get what you mean but in the Japanese People also refer to her as she and so does she.
So Yes she’s a Girl and all that matters is Chinese anyway since its the Canon Voice Cast
@@thechosen0ne1 to be fair Raijin (aka Raiden) in japanese mythology is depicted as a demon and is a man, which Ei clearly is not. i think it might just be a creative liberty
The thing is, we know now that Paimon can't be the sustainer of heavenly principals or the primordial one. They are both descenders. If she was, what happened with Scaramouche wouldn't have affected her at all. she is tied to Teyvat and is part of it. I think Paimon is a native of Teyvat but from a time before the Primordial one arrived. I had the idea she might be the physical representation of Teyvat itself. that's to make sense of everything she can do, whilst being affected by irminsul.
Whoa🤨 this was a deep dive into madness and I'm here for it 😂👍🏻🙌🏻
One thing I really want to know more about is the Traveller. What are they? Where did they come from? How many worlds have they been to? During the Sumeru Archon quest, the Traveller gets their fortune told to them and the fortune teller freaks out because they find out that the Traveller is destined to live for thousands of years. Now the fortune teller freaked out because she assumed the Traveller was human and humans cannot naturally live for that long... but what bugs me is that Paimon initially says the fortune teller is a load of waffle and lies but after the teller says Traveller will live for thousands years Paimon VERY CASUALLY agrees and says this fortune is true... EXCUSE ME WTF?!! The Traveller and Nahida (The God of Wisdom) were also there and they also agree with the this fortune. This proves that the Traveller's body and its constitution is on the same level (or even beyond the level) of the strongest gods.
What REALLY bugs is how the Traveller is constantly referred to as a child (such all those times alcohol is not served to them because of the Traveller's youthful appearance), but the Traveller NEVER corrects the other characters about their age. Is the Traveller an immortal who happens to actually be a kid who hasn't yet lived for a long time or an immortal with an already long lived life who is pretending to be a kid? How much does Paimon know of the Traveller's special body and age?? It is not like the Traveller is even attempting to hide their alien body because they casually mention to everyone they meet how they are capable of wielding all the elements without a vision or how their body has special properties such as the purification of Abyss magic or their easy access to Irminsul. The Traveller practically boasts about their body's inhumanity but never talks about their age OR ELABORATE MORE ABOUT THEIR POWERS FROM 500 YEARS AGO!!! Remember, the Traveller is supposed to be able to fly with wings and summon a golden sword but the Unknown God took these powers away... HOW??? Does the Traveller not have another world they could travel to and bring weapons, new wings or something strong to help them? Have they lost the power to travel to other worlds? Were they travelling to other planets or Universes? Wherever the Traveller and their twin are initially from, are there no doctors who specialise in healing their special alien bodies?? Are the Traveller and their twin the only one of their species??? Why does their twin care so much for Teyvat and helping the Abyss, I mean this is the same twin who entered Teyvat 500 years ago only to flee the moment they saw an ongoing war. They initially didn't care to find out what was going on or if they could help, so why is Teyvat suddenly special and worthy of saving? What did the twin experience after the Unknown God separated both twins? WHY DID THE UNKNOWN GOD ATTACK THEM BUT NOT KILL THEM AND INSTEAD CHOSE TO SEPARATE THEM THROUGH TIME???
WHAT DOES ALL OF THIS MEAN?!?!??!?!?!!
*I HAVE SO MANY QUESTIONS*
Primordial beings has no physical body so they had to split themselves or sacrifice a part of them to achieve physical form thus creating the existence of Aether and Lumine out of nothing
I have many questions, too. Mostly the same of yours but also...why did they have to go through Celestia to leave? And how did they have access to Celestia to start with as 'humans' or parts of mankind, as alluded to by the Sustainer of Heavenly Principles. Did they have prior consent of Celestia to be there in the first place? SO many questions!
I have so many questions too but reading your comments just giving me seizure instead I'm sorry 💀
You have so many questions about the game? So play it well
the other twin, the abyss princess/prince is from teyvat!!
Assuming she is the primordial one you left out an obvious detail being that "Paimon" is like a shortened version -anagram- of "Primordial One" which is part of why I agree she is. I started on the theory that she's connected with leylines and then I came across this: "King Paimon's powers include knowledge of past and future events, clearing up doubts, making spirits appear, creating visions, flight, and general abilities to make all kinds of things and all sorts of people appear" which *could* be inspiration. In mythology Phanes is described as "a first-born god of light who emerged from a void or watery abyss and gives birth to the universe" (Her eyes + cloak look like the abyss/universe) and lastly Phanes in Genshin is described as 'androgynous in nature' and even though she looks like a small feminine child Paimon mostly -never- didn't refer to self as any specific gender it's *usually* in third person and we already know that the 7 at least can change and take on different forms - including gender. Edit: Elaborate some more and a few corrections have been made, I also left a short explanation in comments before more people go correcting the same things ❤
Actually she veeeeery rarely used "she" to refer to herself, if I remember correctly.
paimon uses she sometimes
They cannot change gender in this game because China
"Paimon" is not an anagram for "Primordial One"
You literally have to add r, l, d, and e to "Paimon" to make it even capable of being an anagram for "Primordial One"
@@ParadoxAAA I see Paimon as more of an abbreviation and not an anagram. abbreviations don't need to use all the letters.
Absolutely brilliant analysis! ❤ You seem to really know what you're talking about
DAMN DUDE, how you linked the artifacts name stuff to those 5 dimensions of suffering related to farming them, it's so clear!
I think in the final chapters, the Traveler's sibling will somehow turn Paimon against them (likely against her own will). It's just too convenient that the Traveler stumbled across her after waking up, and there's no other being like her.
Paimon was send to us by the sibling to guide us through teyvat. What are you talking about? If anything she could get corrupted by Erosion of this world, which also makes no sense. Why do you think the Traveller said nothing about/to paimon when they met? He only why he was with Dain not paimon, so there is her approval.
Paimon is loyal to the Traveler like how King Paimon is loyal to Lucifer.
The Traveler might be a reference to Lucifer's prefall while the Abyss Sibling is a reference to Prince Lucifer the Avatar of Pride. Her loyalty is questionable because they both represent the same person but have different timelines. It's honestly between preferences.
nope..paimon is the primordial one and got defeated by the 2nd coming or the sustainer and she loses her power along with her memory, and the sustainer now is pretending to be the primordial one, lumine is reviving and rallying the lost kingdom of khaenriah against the sustainer since shes the first to wake up after they are being sealed by the sustainer and she learned all the forbidden knowledge, about the lost kingdom, and the true identity of the sustainer(fake primordial one)..so in preparation for up coming war against the sustainer, she siezed the gnosis from the archons in every nation to weaken its(sustainer) control over the archons,
I think one of my favorite lines from the game is when first meeting Beidou and Kazuha, the FIRST thing Kazuha says in the game *before you even know his name*, is this:
"Paimon... hmmm... What a fascinating being. You two give off not only the essence of wind and earth, but also of... yes... the stars..."
And I've ALWAYS remembered that Kazuha addressed *both* Paimon and the traveler. It would make no sense if he addressed both characters only to describe one of them. And I think it's clear that the wind and earth descriptions were for the traveler, which would imply that the description of "stars" fell to Paimon. Whatever the case, Paimon is definitely some cosmic being that is way more plot relevant than we think.
Okay but I don't agree that the stars description wasn't for the Traveler. After all the siblings traveled as stars before getting stuck on Teyvat and even Albedo says that the Traveler carries "the aura of the stars" which he'd like to study.
@@dubudaebak yes yes you're right, what i was trying to say is that not all of them were only for the Traveler. I do think "the stars" applies to both of them
All 3 likely apply to both as the Traveller is also from the Stars and Paimon is also blessed by the Elements as Nahida implies.
@@abdurehmanmalik2980when did Nahida say that
@@yes4612 During the Samsara arc one of her theories as to why we know what is going on is "You TWO are blessed with Dendro."
You absolute madman. You've blown my mind wide open.
It's also important to mention that in the getting to Inazuma quest, when Khazua first meets pimon he says something along the lines that "she resembles the stars" the stars are a representative of the universe and therefore maybe paimon IS the universe herself. Idk maybe I should go to sleep.
One thing to consider as well is in the cyno story/archon scene where their about to be buried he grabbed the traveler but didn't bother to grab Paimon as if he trusted her to make it out safely by herself.. I mean she can fly like the traveler can run but the fact that she can go in and out of space might be something people are are aware of.
I think cyno grabbing traveler was just because they were what mattered most to everyone
who would you rather save?
- a highly skilled person who you have a closer bond with and has helped countless nations, fought a dragon, challenged the raiden shogun as well as two of the fatui harbingers and has lots of travel experience
or
- their travel guide that you’ve barely formed a bond with
that, or traveler was just closer to him and he grabbed the easiest thing to reach
kinda dark
You do have a point. What I notice was is that throughout traveling from Mondstadt, Liyue, Inazuma, and now to Sumeru, not even once did a person seriously question what Paimon is or why/how she is flying. Even the researchers who are curious won't bother to find out what Paimon is.
@@sourfar also, it's probably because he knows that paimon can disappear lmao. It's canon that she can indeed disappear and reappear like the weapons
@@eciddice Jeht in The Golden Slumber quest asked Paimon about it and wants to know how Paimon does it so she can also fly/float. Still funny when I remember it 🤣
@@chiistiik really? I don’t remember any character mentioning this?
are you sure it’s not just something the player sees and isn’t canon?
What really concerns me is that hardly anyone in the game pays any mind to Paimon. Sure we get some NPCs who share like 1 or 2 lines of dialogue talking about Paimon's weird appearance, but that's really it. None of the playable characters really say anything about her uniqueness and just kinda roll with the idea that she's our partner. Really strange.
I mean yeah but then again, the people of Tevyat DO eat weirdness for breakfast lunch and dinner so maybe it’s just not that strange to them.
Also, someone said this a lot earlier in the comments, many npc without a vision or connection to celestia don’t really notice or see paimon
@@K-allia Huh? Lots of NPCs interact with Paimon all the time
@@YayaFeiLong but a lot of them don’t, not from what i noticed. I could be wrong, but its a small detail- A lot of playable characters or characters with visions *do* notice her, but a lot of random characters dont acknowledge her at all or find it weird
@@K-allia It's true that most NPCs don't really question Paimon's existence at all which is pretty weird, but a lot of them _do_ talk to her
FINALLY A VIDEO WITH GOOD LORE THAT DOSENT BORE ME TO SLEEP!
you forgot the part where paimon saves the traveller and other people using cubes in the osial explosion, brining her even closer to the unknown god.
I'm not sure if anyone has mentioned this yet, but Scaramouche's quote (8:05) and the eggshell both connect with the knowledge that Dottore shares with Nahida at the end of the Sumeru archon quest in exchange for her gnosis, about "the sky of Teyvat being fake". Regardless of whether Paimon is the Primordial One or not, I definitely think Phanes and the eggshell thing will be important later on in the story. Just some more clues I wanted to point out!
One thing I would like to note is that in the book before sun and moon, it is stated that the being "the primordial one" and "phanes" could be the same being. However the way it's written it's clear that the writer doubted this or didn't have evidence. That means that there is a small chance Phanes might not be The Primordial one. Maybe it's one of the shades or maybe it's someone else entirely.
That's the difficulty with theorizing with Genshin. Every source of info is questionable, and therefore trying to use any piece of info to deduce a theory is already suspect from the get go. It's both what makes it so fascinating and intriguing and also what induces so much hair pulling (as illustrated by Island's "strung out" portrayal/behavior in this video).
this video spawned some of my own theories about the travelers, ascension (like in the way vanessa ascended at windrise (i think)), and even wishing.
Ive always thought Paimon is mysterious. The other day I noticed that her cape's design is quite similar to Dainsleif's. I thought perhaps she was connected to Khaenri'ah somehow. Im not very good at learning tons of lore and theorising though so I will leave that to others haha.
This is certainly a very interesting theory.
I've always thought that paimon is a big part of the celestials, considering her seven accessories that look very similar to statues of the seven, and the constant constellations that follow her, relating her to the celestials, also the plot twist of the cute thing actually being a princess or queen would fit paimon and the strange crown she wears
Genshin is not new to the concept of losing your powers with Guoba and now Nahida showing themes of having previous lives. Plus her being the creator may connect toward her knowledge of Teyvat despite not recalling much about who she is specifically.
Perhaps the story isn’t just about the Travler finding their sibling but Paimon potentially rediscovering her true identity
like how we guide seelies back to their courts
I also agree that it's a totally valid thought that paimon might have been "guobafied." Guoba lost his powers while fighting. Paimon might have also given up her power and memories if she had fought to control and stop Khaenri'ah's uprising.
Guoba also shows hints of who he was, even though he lost his memory. Like, he still loves cooking and he recognizes Zhongli and his old friends. Island's thought that Paimon is unknowingly dropping hints about her identity is totally valid as well!
My question is, how much did Hoyo actually intend? If they really intended all this, then the story is quite elaborate and well thought out! i just wish they'd let us in on more of the story, sooner than later, lol
Idk why this is such an intense research it’s amazing it was so interesting wether or not it’s true this makes a lot of sense
i love how the more we watch this, we still learn...
Someone please correct me if I'm wrong
If Nahida have the power to erase something from the irmsul tree and make everyone forgot everything about a certain topic, there is the chance that Paimon is the Primordial one but at some point she got "guobafied" and somehow got erased from the irmsul tree and now not even her remember herself?
Actually, its quite likely that Paimon is the archon of stars (which is the eighth element used by Dainslief) and the archon of Khaenri'ah. After the Irminsul reveal I read a reddit post that theorized that she was erased from Irminsul after the catalycism. That is why nobody remembers her, and why Khaenri'ah was claimed to have no archon. That is why the sky is fake - because after she was erased, Celestia had to replace her with a fake sky. It is also why she has star motifs (along with Dainslief), why the abyss is filled with stars, why stars are such an important piece of the worldbuilding, and why she can control the day and night - she doesnt control time, she controls the sky to bring in stars
Another thing to note is that Paimon is quite definitely the king piece because of Khaenri'ahs importance, the design of her head and the fact that Khaenri'ah is the last place the Traveller goes to (Venti is the queen because Monstadt is where the traveller **arrives**), and because the queen - anemo - is related to the sky, which the new element of Astro is related to too
@@necromelodia2432 After doing the latest archon quest, I don't think paimon really forgot who she is. Remember the vase? it is tied tk scaramouche and yet she's aware of it(She asked the unknown voice why she KNOWS ALL that happened) plus she said she remembered that there is no cleaner on where they resting in sumeru but somehow after the weird voice, she contradicted herself to find a cleaner?. It's like paimon never forges, she just acts like the traveller who isn't affected by the irminsul.
She was though. When Rukkadavata was removed fully from Irminsul, even Paimon forgot about her. @@jadonalbertmejia3024
there was one quest with venti when he told the story about him and the god of time where he and the god always go and eat and drink but the god of time eats mostly while venti drank alochols , this can also be the sign of paimon's very interest of food bc she always finds food in exchange (on the treasure idk)
omg, may i know what quest is that? :D
@@aisangonomiya9251his story quest I think
Actually this theory is very close to what I was thinking about (especially which mentioned in the first part of the video and not in the second 'cause I didn't make that huuuuuuge research!).
7:45 this reminds me about the contract which Morax made and because of which he was not able to tell anything to Traveler about what happened in Khaenri'ah 500 years ago; and "...stay oblivious to certain secret, mankind will continue to receive blessings from the gods..." reminds me about the forbidden knowledge which caused Eleazar, Withering zones etc.
8:51 and here I was reminded about the cutscene which we can see every time in the beginning of every BP period...
I have no idea how exactly this relates to the whole story, it just what I was reminded about, but I definitely feel some relations here...
This theory is amazing, I like it very much, hehe. Thank you for your work! :D
I believe that Paimon is the same creature as Phanes. Phanes might have also created Paimon as a reference of itself. Phanes might have also probably also made Paimon immortal and made sure Paimon didn’t know her own origin, to make it more *~mysterious~.*
Or Paimon formed from what she is. Paimon probably formed from food, and became *emergency food.*
Wei already spoke about paimon being the Primordial One. It's insane how he can came up with.
Who's Wei?
@@GGABueno another he shin youtuber
With logical evidences too.
glad I'm not the only one to notice how Wei came to this conclusion many months ago
@@fjordd7760 Isn't Wei the CEO of Hoyoverse? Or is that a different Wei?
The false sky part makes sense, especially given Dottore’s and Nahida’s conversation at the end of the most recent Archon Quest
Clicked the video expecting it to be hot bullshit but you've actually put a decent amount of effort into this and raised some pretty decent points with good reasoning to back up your theory, that deserves some praise. Interesting thought!
the connection is such a reach that it makes mr fantastic jealous with how far it stretches
Island coming back with a bang! Loved the theory, I can tell a lot of research and work were put into this. Can't wait to see the other four parts
I have a couple theories that this video made me think about:
1) Along with the 4 shades representing the artifacts, I think the Unknown God represents the Ciclet of Logos because she is literally referred to as the sustainer of heavenly principles, thus she is likely the embodiment of heavenly logic. Her banishing the twins and saying along the lines of “the arrogance of mankind stop now” is likely not out of maliciousness but out of duty to uphold the law that has been set and the separation of divinity and mankind
2) Paimon could be a shade or she is similar to Venti that she was just kinda like a spirit thing. From what I remember Venti was said he was just like “a spirit among a thousand winds” or something, meaning that he was probably a piece of something of a bigger whole. My theory is that Paimon is similar that she is simply a piece of a larger whole. I didn’t know about the Celestial Eggshell situation so my theory is that Paimon is either a piece of the eggshell that was chipped or a star that got knocked down from the sky.
I think this cuz Paimon has a lot of moon/starry sky stuff, plus she is so small and kind of like a fragment of hope for the Traveler for finding their sibling, always reminding them of their reason for journeying- helping them remember their purpose.
Also I always found it so weird that Paimon was fished out of water by the Traveler, made me think of a falling asteroid that fell into the ocean. Assuming the place the twins were captured in was the Heavens and there is possibly a separator between Heaven and Earth, the only way the Traveler could have been transferred was probably through the sky shell . I like to imagine that the Traveler was chucked from the Heavens, fell through the sky and knocked into Paimon on their way down and sent her down to Teyvat as well- which explains why Paimon was found so close to the Traveler
Nah the unknown god represents the goblet SHES the god of space
Maybe the twins travelling among the stars (beyond the egg shell) was seen as the ultimate human transgression and triggered Khaenriah’s punishment ?
After all, Kaenriah might have been the place they stayed in when visiting Teyvat.
This would explain why the other twin was so overwhelmed with Khaenriah’s destruction.
After all, Khaenrians were evil land pirates who looted other nations as a way of living. Why would any of the nice travellers associate with them ? But if the travellers unwillingly caused Khaenriah’s destruction, the one who witnessed might have felt guilty and resented the injustice of Teyvat’s divinities.
Arrogation, not arrogance
The craziest thing is that a got a genshin impact ad right b4 this video ( AND A HONKIA IMPACT AD )
About ur questions about Visions, they could be a sign that this human ( the one that receive Vision ) could probably strong ( or however u call ) enough to acend onto Celestia. This was also mentoned in Genshin's comic when there a small chapter that the hero of Mondstadt ( I don't remember her name ) goes to somewhere that she thought was Celestia but somehow looked like a prison.
Vanessa maybe? I haven't gotten far in the game, but Venti mentioned something in the first archon quest
As always, you deliver with awesome theories about this game especially paimon. I'm excited for the other parts you will be releasing!
What I really want to know are these two things:
1. Why does literally no one ask what Paimon is when a mentally developed flying toddler looking person is by all apparent accounts one of a kind at every area we arrive to? (Xiangling asked if she was edible and thats it lol)
2. How and why tf was Paimon "drowning" when we met her when she can both float AND apparate?
If you make a theory, its alway more fun and better to draw out different theories that are drawn from your original theory expanding the idea. kinda like the hangout quests but with more possibilities and with each theory you learn something new.
It's worth noting that inside the Domains, there are some interesting things to observe around the petrified trees specifically. Another RUclipsr pointed out that there are five "crowns" suspended around those petrified Irmunsul, each one of which seems to represent the Primordial One and its Shining Shades.
But there's also a pattern on the floor that you stand on to receive the Domain's reward that resembles a three-leafed clover or a Celtic knot. Notice where else that exact same symbol shows up? That's right, the front of Paimon's outfit. She's wearing her alignment with Celestia front and center, whether knowingly or not.
really appreciate how well structured of your theory videos are! we know how hard you worked to make it digestable for all of us~~
I think the symbol in Paimon's stomach is a representation of the world of teyvat, with teyvat at the center, everything paimon created. It is also in the currency
oh? I never noticed that it was in the currency, that’s odd
why would she have the symbol on mora on her chest? scrap that, what does the symbol on mora even mean?
edit: I just compared the two, and the symbol on paimon chest is more triangular-like while on mora it’s more round, maybe it’s not supposed to represent mora.. still makes me question though, is this a design repetition error or intentional?
the symbol is also seen on ancient liyue architecture, such as the arch in the ruins south of where Havira's domain was located.
The symbol on her is everywhere on teyvat, in honkai it means imaginary but paimons symbol is upside of own which means it’s the opposite of imagery. What’s the opposite of imagery = reality. Is paimon the real god??? Paimon is the genshin confirmed
9:16 i was just watching and saw the logo on paimons outfit fly trough the air
i rewatched this twice after Fontaine's arrival and here are some things i want to add that can support this theory:
first, in the Caribert quest, Paimon doesn't seem to be affected by the Sinner. (sorry i already forgot what happened in this quest)
second and the more important one is that in Fontaine's archon quest, Paimon accidentally drinks Navia's drink, later on we learn that water from the Primordial Sea was added into it and it doesn't affect her in any way.
If I remember correct, Primodial water only affects people from Fontaine
1. Really good theory video, definitely had me thinking about stuff regarding Paimon since I recently began theorizing what exactly Paimon could be.
2. The ending was hilarious, love the "game theory" outro but for Genshin Theory
I think this is my favorite theory so far. Absolutely brilliant!
The wildest quest to me was the one in the Chasm with Itto and Shinonu. She was avoiding that memory space like the PLAGUE. It was extremely weird!
Lets not forget that scaramouche didn’t trust her when he was asking the traveller his question. 💀
I'VE BEEN TRYING TO CONVINCE MY FRIENDS OF THIS FOR MONTHS. THANK YOU FOR MAKING THIS VIDEO!
Good job on the video mr Island! Also, I really appreciate how you show the actual lines from the book itself as well on the video! Regarding the lore, funnily I personally always thought Paimon herself most likely is the Primordial One only due to her ongoing dialogues about the Paimonial Wrath, and I was genuinely surprised that people doesn't think of it before or think much of the line as much and see it as a passing only, so it's nice to see you have a theory on this!
i dont want paimon to be evil or against us, i love her friendship with the traveler so much the theory that she's evil breaks my heart 🥲💔
I just want to congratulate your for putting so much effort and time into this.
There are important points of what you say, others are stretching a little, but
Are there more paimons in the world ? Or is she the Unique special floating being
Thank you for watching!
As for Paimon... I lose sleep over how sus she is still. My brain hurts thinking about her existence.
0:08 Aether smiling while thinking "What the hell is this thing..." is the funniest in this video...
Agreed
At 10:00 you said something about making mankind a prisoner to the world. That reminded me of when Nahida told us how our twin is bound to this world. Maybe he uncovered the truth which resulted him into being stuck here
The random ass dialogue you found was more so forshadowing or linking back to the relationship between the Greater Lord and Lesser Lord of Dendro 💀
the dinner scene at the current event gave us more hints on paimon being the god of time, especially her finishing venti's poem
With the introduction of the Akasha, it caused a thought to enter into my head. As Dottore used it for, a subconscious thought was planted into the townspeople that the Traveler was someone who had just saved the world so they could provide a distraction.
A lot of people in Genshin Impact don’t really comment on or question Paimon’s existence. Let’s say Paimon is a part of or the Primordial One. If the world of Tevyat is a prison that stops people from ascending, then it can stand to reason that subconscious thoughts can be planted in their heads to stop the prison break. One of those subconscious suggestions could be “don’t question particular existences” such as the Sacred Sakura, tho that was Makoto’s doing, or the existence of Paimon. I would find it absolutely insane if that were true, and that’s why almost no one really questions Paimon at all. It’s built into the world so that people do not question Tevyat or discover the truth, or so that Paimon won’t discover who she really is.
As for paimon being the unknown god or at least the origin. You might have to re-update this vid as Nahida explains a lot towards the end of the Sumeru Archon story.
2:18 also the celestia pillar's decoration is similar to paimon costumes (arm/legging)