I think the reason International team is considered the best team in the game is because it is one of the most flexible teams in the game. Capable of handling almost any content due to multi element damage, cc, good single, and AoE damage. In 3.7 abyss it was the only team that had a 50:50 spread on team distribution.
I usually see exactly the opposite. Childe is usually being underestimated, and not quite recommended by a lots of content creators. For every video that praises him, there's at least two which calls him unneccessary, and mid. I let people keep me away from playing him, so I left him collecting dust at level 10 in my account. I just built him recently, and he is a beast. Also fun to play. The other advantage of using Childe, that you have to build/level both Xiangling, and Bennett. These two are quite popular characters, and can be used in a lots of teams. None of you resources will go to waste building Childe's supports. :) Childe international is a well rounded, stable team, which has no elemental counter, and can be used in every situation. I regret that I didn't built this team sooner.
One thing you forgot to mention is extra xiangling procs, xiangling gets additional pyronado ticks against a lot of the bosses, sometimes even 60%-70% more, usually in other teams xiangling cannot vape those extra procs and it won't be that big of a dmg increase (still decent increase), but childe's extremely high hydro application makes you able to vape most of it and result in a really big dps increase, which makes it so you don't need that many 5 stars to one rotate bosses, just pretty good artifacts with R1 childe and xiangling is enough
I don’t really understand why having one team is bad when that one team can be used in nearly everywhere to great success. (At low investment) I’d agree childe can be overhyped by some speedrunners but I also think he’s largely still underrated for how well he works with Xiangling and how easy she can clear abyss at a baseline.
having one team isnt necessarily bad but the lack of being able to flex out anyone on the team can be a problem if facing content that walls his team, such as an enemy like the thunder manifestation which counters the entire team
@@GxGNoir I found the thundering fine last abyss cause quite frankly that entire chamber was the easiest. But otherwise I feel like it’s hard to wall him out when he frees up Xingqiu. (Who we all know works in a variety of broken ass dendro teams)
@@desolatorstorm142 and he’s fine against 3 of the four heralds. I’m not sure what’s the issue here. Pyro and hydro are typically the two center peices of most sheild checks. Case in point the last 2 abyss cycles.
@@wilburforce8046 You're overselling the international's shield breaking. All elements but hydro and electro are decent against electro shields, so there's still the gap of one shield that will slow you down. This is not remarkable for International, this is, in fact, average for a 2-element team. Hydro and Pyro are not the center of shield checks. Someone wanking International must have spread misinformation. International coverage Strong against Pyro, Cryo, Electro, can be used poorly against Hydro. Freeze/Nilou Bloom is strong against Pyro, Hydro, and Electro while not being usable against Cryo unless you're using a heavy attack character. Quicken team. Decent against Pyro (electro part), strong against Hydro(dendro), decent against electro(dendro). decent against Cryo(electro).
I got childe in 3.2 simply because I liked childe in the story, and I was just starting out. I loved the damage he did, and how often he would spark reactions with nahida, whom I also incidentally got on my first ever pull. (I actually, funnily enough, lucked out on both their banners in my first pulls), He would work well with nahida and thoma, or nahida and raiden, or my fridge teams, and in my case, did great damage even solo. His kit flowed well for me, I found his move set aesthetically pleasing and I loved seeing all the reactions that he could proc. So then I fell into the rabbit hole of making as many combinations that I could. So now I just love nuking with him
I actually think childe is actually Underrated in teams outside of international,where he can be situationally optimal .(examples at the end) One thing is that Childe's down time and lack of off field application can ne an advantage in certain teams because it helps you accommodate units that generally need alot of field time but have alot of downtime as well. Take the example of Raiden.Raiden's burst can last 7-11 secs depending on how you use the hitlag,but let's say on average she takes 9 secs.That's 9 secs of downtime. For example, Let's say you have something like 'Bennet-Hydro-Kazuha-Raiden, This Kind of team might faces issues in multiwave or finishing of a boss at low HP without screwing over the energy economy in the next chamber. Childe can fit pretty well into this downtime to finish off a wave to enemies which can be a bit overkill for Raiden. Ayato in this particular team may not be great as he will extend Raiden's rotations,and XQ/Yelan may not have have the frontload to finish of a wave of enemies quickly. He won't always be better than Yelan here,but he sometimes will. It's also similar with someone like Yae Miko who generally spends alot of time on field,but not really enough to qualify as a carry,Although I can't really find any videos to demonstrate the Yae synergy Also about him in Dendro team-your right that his very strong hydro application in dendro teams can be a problem especially in ST because he flips the Dendro Aura over to hydro.But he can be used to play HB in a more AoE context since him applying strong hydro can help swirl hydro(which is hell with Nahida)-especially with Venti who can make hyperblooms hit multiple targets. Ill give you a video example for each of these: Nahida HB in AoE and with Kazuha(tried to get a video with Venti but couldn't) ruclips.net/video/e42PIpLLyIY/видео.htmlsi=7YTWSw__LvMmIbwo Quickbloom with Raiden ruclips.net/video/Q83xVp9w7Pw/видео.htmlsi=JYmxHY00ofxlMOkd Overvape with Raiden(gameplay isn't great here,but you can see how it works) ruclips.net/video/-ofO1R7-LXg/видео.htmlsi=qxUU3rEX-ir6sFtE The clear times aren't the great because of gameplay issues but you can see how the team works mechanically . For example in the raiden quickbloom team ,replacing childe with ayato would extend the rotation and XQ/Yelan would reduce the quicken uptime for Raiden(can lead to more bloom triggers but still)
The way you calculated the teams DPS using a 5* weapon (and usually giving the signature to carries) makes the calculations a bit biased towards Hypercarries. Giving a Hypercarry their BiS makes a lot more difference than giving a member of a balanced quickswap team any 5* weapon. Hence a team that relies a lot on their Hypercarry aka Wanderer will give much higher numbers than a relatively more balanced team like International. It would be interesting to see how the teams compare when you only allow them R1 non battle-pass 4* weapons for example. In a more ftp friendly comparison
I have a tab on that sheet with the characters on 4 star weapons - just didn’t show it in the video but prolly should’ve shown it for comparison. You can find the sheet and see everything on it in my discord tho discord.gg/WUy5rjcy
It doesn't really matter that he only has one meta team because he can clear with various teams in reality even if he is the best hydro for others teams. Then the abyss is only a small part of the content so he is enough flexible for the rest of the game. Honestly the videos are more confusing than anything else. It becomes very hard to have an opinion on Childe as well as Zhongli considering the number of people who adore them or find them just trash. But anyway, Childe is my favorite characters and I already have his perfect team with Lyney's 5 stars bow (because I was unlucky to get this one instead of Aqua, weapon banners sucks). He will be perfect for me. 🙂
@@GxGNoir I will try International and probably play this team anyway because why not but I seen some people 36 stars with others teams with Childe. Hydro is a great element even Barbara can clear, she is still never the best hydro in any team.
i think he fine! ppl dont usually talk about him. the overrated one is hu tao. shes good in excel but irl shes not that good bc of human error. who can confidentally say they cancels all her animation perfectly?
@@GxGNoir hmmmmm. strange. most tcs and/or ytbs dont recommend him in general bc international is not the only good team in thr game. imo, yelan is a bit overrated among her hydro fellas. there are many ppl bring their c6 yelan to solo clear the abyss. i mean it doesnt reflect her strength as a unit bc many ppl also use keqing (or diluc) to solo clear the abyss as well. why both of them can do that but only yelan gets all the praises and intentions?
@@GxGNoirI may be wrong, but I think Childe was never really popular. He has been underrated for a long time, similarly to Wanderer. International slowly become recognised as a strong team, but it didn’t really make Childe popular, because most people knew International was a hard team to master and Childe was only really good for that team. Now there is just a minority that tends to call his team the best team in the game, mostly because his best team remained relevant for a very long time and still is a very good team at high investment if you are good at playing it. Though, most of the community don’t really care about him and his team, he isn’t really popular and I don’t think many people will pull for him. Many TCs are also of the same opinion as you about his pull value.
Something important that you didn't note is that Xiangling hits 2 times against bosses and can hit 3 times if you dash at the right time. You should adjust your calcs to reflect that, since International is the only team where she can vape all of those hits (she goes from 12 to 21 to 28 hits iirc). If you adjust for that, you'll see why speedrunners call it the best team in the game. (Yes, you can get 2 hits consistently against literally every enemy in the game. 3 if you're very good, and 5 if you're a god)
Childe is my fav character. But playing childe means playing international lets be honest. It a great team. It is one of the best teams and the best version of national imo but with all of his other teams you are either haveing fun, have better units in his place, are carried by other characters with him just being there or min-maxing like crazy to have a good clear I do all of the above ❤
Many people like to think his cooldown/downtime isn’t an issue because of the existence of his team with Xiangling, but I think his cooldown/downtime plays a major part in limiting Childe’s effectiveness in other teams. Other than that, there is the lack of off-field Hydro application limiting his teams. Often he also gets called a driver, but in my opinion he lacks the qualities of a good driver, that usually comprehend having a better uptime than Childe has. Childe was probably designed to simply have bursts of great AoE damage against groups of enemies, and that’s it. Luckily he found a good/great team with Bennet and Xiangling, where he can front-load a great amount of damage, enable Xiangling to Vaporize her Pyronado, and then recharge her high cost Burst during the downtime. This team plays around his issues. With his limitations, he is unlikely to find other teams that are similarly as good and consistent for both single target and AoE. His best chance is probably a “better Xiangling”, and the team would likely be played similarly.
Not for coincidence, his constellation is designed to reduce his limitations, increasing uptime and giving him some off-field Hydro application, but it is the constellation of one of the first 5 star characters and like most others falling in this category, it is a rather weak and not too well designed constellation.
Lmao international is still overall the best at speedrunning. As for investment, a C0 Childe + C2 Kazuha are as many 5* as a full C0 Ayaka team to say how cheap that huge gain is, and of course even at C0 it's already arguably better than Ayaka overall. For weapons catch is already very competitive on Xiangling and Kazuha is generally prefered on fav so the only weapon you will gladly pull in that team is a 5* bow for Childe.
Can I try If I like him? I pulled Wanderer and Lyney because I liked them and Childe is another Fatuus. I have only 1 Bennet but I stopped Abyss so It doesn't matter.
@@playmobilegamescodmI guess go for what you want but to be fair in my experience Childe outside of the abyss it’s complicated. If you don’t want to take too much time against the enemies and always use home on your team I think you can go for it but personally I benched him until I had kazuha which took 1 and a half years so if your f2p and because there will be a lot of new characters possibly fun maybe you should consider that but in the end do what you like it’s definitely the most important thing
@@playmobilegamescodmYou sure can pull him if you like his playstyle , design and everything. I am using him more than two years in abyss and overworld , if you don't want to use benny ( i won't recommend using pyro in overworld because grass burning taking dmg and benny doesn’t heal over 70 percent, ) I will recommend using him alongside another electro character for taser or hyperbloom. And also even if you want to try him in abyss without benny you can use him with fischl and beidou it is a great comp for aoe , you can even put yaoyao there for healing and additional hyperbloom and aggrevate, it's a fun comp
Childe is my favourite character, before getting Wanderer I saved Primogems for over 6 months and I got his C4 (mainly because I think it is a really fun constellation to have). That’s why I had Layla C6 for Wanderer from the day one. Gameplay wise he and Wanderer are now my favourite characters (Riptide is just incredibly satisfying), but now I use Wanderer the most because I tend to go with the character that makes me clear things more easily and comfortably. Before getting Wanderer, I was using Childe over 99% of the time. Anyway, I have Childe C4 with Skyward Harp, Kazuha C2 with Favonius, Xiangling with Deathmatch R5, Bennet with Skyward Blade or Aquila Favonia. I know Childe can be really strong, for the reasons you explained, but I’m really bad at using him. I know the rotations, all the relevant mechanics, but I never learned to use his team efficiently. I also struggle surviving or at least to avoid being thrown around, sometimes, in the Abyss 12, and this is the only reason why I want Dehya (even if I know the team DPS will greatly suffer), who is at least better than Thoma. I also wish I could play him in more teams, but I never found a good alternative to the aforementioned team. I mean, many teams work fine against groups of enemies, but they seem so bad in single target. If I’m wrong and there is anything else that works very well, please tell me, as long as Kazuha C2 is in the team because I always want to have someone effective at grouping the enemies with him.
I pulled Wanderer C2, Faru c6 and Lyney and his BIS. I will also try Childe but don't think I can get coz I already got 1 Guaranteed pull (wanderer C1) and two 50/50 win (wanderer C2 and Lyney) and beside I also won Lyney BIS all with F2p currency so my luck may have ran out.
Agree. I let 'theory crafters' keep me away from building him, because most of them didn't reccommend Childe. Now I regret that I didn't built him sooner, because he is a beast!
With other TCs, it often feels like we're playing a different game. With you it feels like we *are* playing the same game. Childe and international used to be my mains during my 33 star days during 2.x. I remember seeing others hype this team to high heaven, but I was fighting Maguu Kenki and it just wasn't working out to 36 stars (and the team itself was uncomfortable to play because low sustain meant I was resetting a lot). My Childe team's artifacts were bad too, far below the KQM standards (his ATK sands had 24% ER and nothing else). I tried replacing him with rational, but that team had even worse numbers and was even less fun to play. From your video, the conclusion should be that he's mid at low and medium investment and shines at good artifact rng? (I started being able to 36 star with Ayato, his artifacts were also better since he used 4x Glad)
I would say he’s awful at low investment, okay/below average/mid at medium investment, and good to great at high investment depending on how skilled you are with him
Yeah his complex rotations turn me off when I have many other teams that can get similar results with way less effort. I also really like rotations that smoothly flows into the next. I'm a C0/R0 player so I doubt I'd be able to kill everything with the front-loaded damage to never have to deal with the downtime. I'll be sticking with Raiden as my best Xiangling driver.
10 minutes of yapping just to say he is overrated when he clearly isn't. if underrated because he still get a lot of hate even though he is s tier. just because there are new teams that can compete with international doesn't mean childe is overrated, it just proves how good childe and his team is for being able to keep up with the meta even after 3 years.
I don't see Childe hate anywhere ever - I do believe I said this in the video, I may not have this is an old video and I don't remember for sure, but this is based on my perspective from what I see in the community. I can't speak on anyone's perspective from my own, and when this video was made p much everything I ever saw about Childe from anyone was glazing him as the best team in the game despite his teams many flaws. Appreciate the comment!
@@GxGNoirpeople still think he's a bad dps because xiangling does more dmg when its a misconception. also your perception of international is quite wrong, it doesn't have much flaws. the only "flaw" it has is being energy hungry, but so are half the teams in this game, and u can easily fix this by building more er or use fav kazuha. your reasoning for him being overrated is because newer teams are easier to play, his team is hard to play, and he needs investment. starting off first, u can't rate a character based on how hard they are to play if ur basing it off meta. secondly, every team outside of bloom teams needs investment. you're saying this as if international is the only team that needs investment. last but not least, xiao, wanderer and nilou teams are not better speedrunning units than international. i will let the numbers speak for itself, u can go onto bilibili or tiktok and see the clear times of the top speedrunners in the community. childe has one of the highest frontloaded dmg in the game which helps a lot in speedrunning more than u think. nilou and xiao doesn't have any at all, and wanderer has some, but not at the level of childe wanderer teams aren't nearly as good as international in AoE and nilou sucks in single target. xiao is kind of in between. one more thing u mentioned is that bosses with split phases hurt the performance of international, but thats literally the case with every team. in fact, it isn't as much of a performance loss to international compared to teams without frontloaded dmg. take maguu kenki for example, once u deal about 250k-300k hp it starts to get into its i-frames. if u were to play xiao, he has no frontloaded dmg so you'll be wasting time while u wait for the i-frames to be gone. for international, u can bypass the first phase by using childe's burst, then use xiangling's burst when the i-frame ends. this is why his flexible rotations also help a lot in speedrunning as opposed to hypercarries who only have 1 rotation. international has no real weaknesses. it is great in both AoE and single target, has no counter because they have 2 elements as dps, has high dpr and has an excellent grouper. that's the reason why childe/international has a high abyss usage and it has remained that way for 3 years even with changing meta. similar to how u will see people glazing neuvilette as the best dps in the game, it doesn't mean he's overrated. he's rated so well by the community for a reason, same with childe. just that childe gets more hate because hes an enabler
Didn't I point out the misconception of him just being an enabler that doesn't do damage in this video though? I'm pretty sure I did and broke down the math showing that he actually does a very high percentage of the teams output and his damage is just as important as XLs there. My overall conclusion was that people overrate him, but I still pointed out his positives and the things that make his team really strong. I certainly don't agree anymore that Nilou is a better speedrunning team than International, but Wanderer usually very handily beats International. If you look at speedruns for the current Abyss, I haven't seen any International come close to beating Wanderer at the same cost. Wanderer teams are incredible in AoE though and I'm not sure. International is certainly a very strong team when played well and built properly, but I stand by my opinion that it is overrated. That doesn't mean it's not great - it can be great and overrated at the same time. You disagree and think it's properly rated, that's also fine I respect your opinion and I can tell you're a smart fellow. But based on my own perspective of what I saw in the community I can't agree. @@maharat5731
@@GxGNoir i know u pointed out the dps numbers, im just stating that some parts of the community still overlook that part. and wanderer teams can only compete against international in speedrunning if its in single target. international just has way too much aoe for wanderer to compete.
I think you are misinformed on Wanderer - I'm really not sure where people get the idea that he doesn't shine in AoE, as this is a take I see often but it is completely not true. The current abyss top half is entirely AoE - ruclips.net/video/b_d7dxw1ukE/видео.html not sure if this link will work, but this run got 43s at 6 cost and Childe is only getting comparable times to that this abyss at like 9 cost. Wanderer has pretty good AoE on his Attacks and his range and mobility let him easily position himself to properly take advantage of it. He is incredible in AoE @@maharat5731
I've been a Childe main ever since 1.1, I'm very used to his playstyle now, which makes it sound weird to me when people say it's hard to play him. Sure, there's a learning curve, but you can learn everything you need pretty fast, and using him will feel pretty natural after a few days. I do hope he gets more teams in future tho, I don't have Nahida, so I can't really play the intergrassional team, but I've always been trying out different stuff like electrocharge, freeze, hyperbloom, and burgeon with dendro MC, just because playing only national gets boring after a while. Planning to get his c1 in a few days, to have more team flexibility too.
Imo whether to pull him or not comes down to one question which is whether u wanna olay international or not. Theres also the fact that international hogs bennet,kazuha/sucrose and xiangling and theres literally no other substitutes for them. Also has to consider that national has ALOT of other variants and they can be better than international depending on the situation as well. Overall,childe isnt really a unit id recommend. I would recommend ayato over him to most people.
You claim you are a theory crafter and then post one hell of a misleading childe guide. The dps chart that you show in your video, you don't talk about whether they are ST or Multiple enemies scenario. If it's Aoe then Childe international beats every team in your chart. If you wanna argue on this topic be my guest in childe mains tc. And one thing your dps sheet is pretty sus.
@@GxGNoirI missed that part because of the skip. You did say about Aoe but then again let me tell you something childe is a character that you can't measure with dps sheets and we all know that in childe mains discord. So showing sheets is actually misleading
@@riddhiroy4722 how is it misleading when I explain his strengths that aren’t reflected in the sheets? I am in childe mains tc channel right now like you said. You never showed up
Unrelated question: how much atk should my wanderer have? Currently have 2piece set with 1900 atk 79 rate 175 dmg (Lost Prayer weapon) and farming a full dpc.
I'm glad I managed to snag haitham and use him instead of International. It got very boring and stale using Internatinal in every abyss, especially not having kazuha and using sucrose. Childe is not bad, but being limited to only 1 good team is such a big disadvantage in today's meta.
Not really when that one team can be used nearly everywhere. That’s like saying Nilou bloom is at disadvantage when she can be used in nearly every AoE scenerio in the game.
Pretty much my thoughts exactly. A lot of people act like hes an absolute top tier dps and imo the fact that he has exactly 1 inflexible team thats amazing and no others that are anywhere near top level makes him disqualified from being a top dps. All the other top main dps' can at least mix and match some units OR can be played in different teams entirely. Hes great at his niche but thats the thing. Hes niche.
@@jcceno4273 you're confusing me saying he's niche with his team being niche. I never said the team was niche. I said he is. He is only really good on one team. He's niche. The team is top tier and good in a lot of situations.
I think the reason International team is considered the best team in the game is because it is one of the most flexible teams in the game. Capable of handling almost any content due to multi element damage, cc, good single, and AoE damage. In 3.7 abyss it was the only team that had a 50:50 spread on team distribution.
I usually see exactly the opposite. Childe is usually being underestimated, and not quite recommended by a lots of content creators. For every video that praises him, there's at least two which calls him unneccessary, and mid.
I let people keep me away from playing him, so I left him collecting dust at level 10 in my account. I just built him recently, and he is a beast. Also fun to play.
The other advantage of using Childe, that you have to build/level both Xiangling, and Bennett. These two are quite popular characters, and can be used in a lots of teams. None of you resources will go to waste building Childe's supports. :)
Childe international is a well rounded, stable team, which has no elemental counter, and can be used in every situation.
I regret that I didn't built this team sooner.
One thing you forgot to mention is extra xiangling procs, xiangling gets additional pyronado ticks against a lot of the bosses, sometimes even 60%-70% more, usually in other teams xiangling cannot vape those extra procs and it won't be that big of a dmg increase (still decent increase), but childe's extremely high hydro application makes you able to vape most of it and result in a really big dps increase, which makes it so you don't need that many 5 stars to one rotate bosses, just pretty good artifacts with R1 childe and xiangling is enough
I don’t really understand why having one team is bad when that one team can be used in nearly everywhere to great success. (At low investment)
I’d agree childe can be overhyped by some speedrunners but I also think he’s largely still underrated for how well he works with Xiangling and how easy she can clear abyss at a baseline.
having one team isnt necessarily bad but the lack of being able to flex out anyone on the team can be a problem if facing content that walls his team, such as an enemy like the thunder manifestation which counters the entire team
@@GxGNoir I found the thundering fine last abyss cause quite frankly that entire chamber was the easiest.
But otherwise I feel like it’s hard to wall him out when he frees up Xingqiu. (Who we all know works in a variety of broken ass dendro teams)
Because the most difficult part of the abyss isn't the DPS checks. It's the shield checks.
@@desolatorstorm142 and he’s fine against 3 of the four heralds. I’m not sure what’s the issue here. Pyro and hydro are typically the two center peices of most sheild checks.
Case in point the last 2 abyss cycles.
@@wilburforce8046 You're overselling the international's shield breaking. All elements but hydro and electro are decent against electro shields, so there's still the gap of one shield that will slow you down. This is not remarkable for International, this is, in fact, average for a 2-element team. Hydro and Pyro are not the center of shield checks. Someone wanking International must have spread misinformation.
International coverage Strong against Pyro, Cryo, Electro, can be used poorly against Hydro.
Freeze/Nilou Bloom is strong against Pyro, Hydro, and Electro while not being usable against Cryo unless you're using a heavy attack character.
Quicken team. Decent against Pyro (electro part), strong against Hydro(dendro), decent against electro(dendro). decent against Cryo(electro).
I got childe in 3.2 simply because I liked childe in the story, and I was just starting out. I loved the damage he did, and how often he would spark reactions with nahida, whom I also incidentally got on my first ever pull. (I actually, funnily enough, lucked out on both their banners in my first pulls), He would work well with nahida and thoma, or nahida and raiden, or my fridge teams, and in my case, did great damage even solo. His kit flowed well for me, I found his move set aesthetically pleasing and I loved seeing all the reactions that he could proc. So then I fell into the rabbit hole of making as many combinations that I could. So now I just love nuking with him
Glad to hear he’s working out for you!
I actually think childe is actually Underrated in teams outside of international,where he can be situationally optimal .(examples at the end)
One thing is that Childe's down time and lack of off field application can ne an advantage in certain teams because it helps you accommodate units that generally need alot of field time but have alot of downtime as well.
Take the example of Raiden.Raiden's burst can last 7-11 secs depending on how you use the hitlag,but let's say on average she takes 9 secs.That's 9 secs of downtime.
For example,
Let's say you have something like 'Bennet-Hydro-Kazuha-Raiden,
This Kind of team might faces issues in multiwave or finishing of a boss at low HP without screwing over the energy economy in the next chamber.
Childe can fit pretty well into this downtime to finish off a wave to enemies which can be a bit overkill for Raiden.
Ayato in this particular team may not be great as he will extend Raiden's rotations,and XQ/Yelan may not have have the frontload to finish of a wave of enemies quickly.
He won't always be better than Yelan here,but he sometimes will.
It's also similar with someone like Yae Miko who generally spends alot of time on field,but not really enough to qualify as a carry,Although I can't really find any videos to demonstrate the Yae synergy
Also about him in Dendro team-your right that his very strong hydro application in dendro teams can be a problem especially in ST because he flips the Dendro Aura over to hydro.But he can be used to play HB in a more AoE context since him applying strong hydro can help swirl hydro(which is hell with Nahida)-especially with Venti who can make hyperblooms hit multiple targets.
Ill give you a video example for each of these:
Nahida HB in AoE and with Kazuha(tried to get a video with Venti but couldn't)
ruclips.net/video/e42PIpLLyIY/видео.htmlsi=7YTWSw__LvMmIbwo
Quickbloom with Raiden
ruclips.net/video/Q83xVp9w7Pw/видео.htmlsi=JYmxHY00ofxlMOkd
Overvape with Raiden(gameplay isn't great here,but you can see how it works)
ruclips.net/video/-ofO1R7-LXg/видео.htmlsi=qxUU3rEX-ir6sFtE
The clear times aren't the great because of gameplay issues but you can see how the team works mechanically .
For example in the raiden quickbloom team ,replacing childe with ayato would extend the rotation and XQ/Yelan would reduce the quicken uptime for Raiden(can lead to more bloom triggers but still)
childe intergrassional is how i was able to 36 stars the herald and baptist abyss so easily so it has its niche uses atleast
true, the dendro gives him an option for hydro shields which usually wall him - good point!
i benched childe for so long after i discovered rational so it was nice to be able to use him again@@GxGNoir
The way you calculated the teams DPS using a 5* weapon (and usually giving the signature to carries) makes the calculations a bit biased towards Hypercarries. Giving a Hypercarry their BiS makes a lot more difference than giving a member of a balanced quickswap team any 5* weapon. Hence a team that relies a lot on their Hypercarry aka Wanderer will give much higher numbers than a relatively more balanced team like International.
It would be interesting to see how the teams compare when you only allow them R1 non battle-pass 4* weapons for example. In a more ftp friendly comparison
I have a tab on that sheet with the characters on 4 star weapons - just didn’t show it in the video but prolly should’ve shown it for comparison. You can find the sheet and see everything on it in my discord tho discord.gg/WUy5rjcy
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It doesn't really matter that he only has one meta team because he can clear with various teams in reality even if he is the best hydro for others teams.
Then the abyss is only a small part of the content so he is enough flexible for the rest of the game.
Honestly the videos are more confusing than anything else.
It becomes very hard to have an opinion on Childe as well as Zhongli considering the number of people who adore them or find them just trash.
But anyway, Childe is my favorite characters and I already have his perfect team with Lyney's 5 stars bow (because I was unlucky to get this one instead of Aqua, weapon banners sucks). He will be perfect for me. 🙂
yeah if you just care about 36 starring the abyss and don't really care about meta or anything like that it doesn't really matter
@@GxGNoir I will try International and probably play this team anyway because why not but I seen some people 36 stars with others teams with Childe.
Hydro is a great element even Barbara can clear, she is still never the best hydro in any team.
i think he fine! ppl dont usually talk about him. the overrated one is hu tao. shes good in excel but irl shes not that good bc of human error. who can confidentally say they cancels all her animation perfectly?
True. I do see Childe get hyped up a lot from my perspective and interactions with the ge shon community tho 🤔
@@GxGNoir hmmmmm. strange. most tcs and/or ytbs dont recommend him in general bc international is not the only good team in thr game. imo, yelan is a bit overrated among her hydro fellas. there are many ppl bring their c6 yelan to solo clear the abyss. i mean it doesnt reflect her strength as a unit bc many ppl also use keqing (or diluc) to solo clear the abyss as well. why both of them can do that but only yelan gets all the praises and intentions?
@@GxGNoirI may be wrong, but I think Childe was never really popular. He has been underrated for a long time, similarly to Wanderer. International slowly become recognised as a strong team, but it didn’t really make Childe popular, because most people knew International was a hard team to master and Childe was only really good for that team.
Now there is just a minority that tends to call his team the best team in the game, mostly because his best team remained relevant for a very long time and still is a very good team at high investment if you are good at playing it. Though, most of the community don’t really care about him and his team, he isn’t really popular and I don’t think many people will pull for him. Many TCs are also of the same opinion as you about his pull value.
@@deadencicleyea I agree he’s still overall underrated and has higher pull value then people think.
Something important that you didn't note is that Xiangling hits 2 times against bosses and can hit 3 times if you dash at the right time. You should adjust your calcs to reflect that, since International is the only team where she can vape all of those hits (she goes from 12 to 21 to 28 hits iirc). If you adjust for that, you'll see why speedrunners call it the best team in the game. (Yes, you can get 2 hits consistently against literally every enemy in the game. 3 if you're very good, and 5 if you're a god)
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Childe is my fav character. But playing childe means playing international lets be honest. It a great team. It is one of the best teams and the best version of national imo but with all of his other teams you are either haveing fun, have better units in his place, are carried by other characters with him just being there or min-maxing like crazy to have a good clear
I do all of the above ❤
Many people like to think his cooldown/downtime isn’t an issue because of the existence of his team with Xiangling, but I think his cooldown/downtime plays a major part in limiting Childe’s effectiveness in other teams. Other than that, there is the lack of off-field Hydro application limiting his teams.
Often he also gets called a driver, but in my opinion he lacks the qualities of a good driver, that usually comprehend having a better uptime than Childe has.
Childe was probably designed to simply have bursts of great AoE damage against groups of enemies, and that’s it. Luckily he found a good/great team with Bennet and Xiangling, where he can front-load a great amount of damage, enable Xiangling to Vaporize her Pyronado, and then recharge her high cost Burst during the downtime. This team plays around his issues. With his limitations, he is unlikely to find other teams that are similarly as good and consistent for both single target and AoE. His best chance is probably a “better Xiangling”, and the team would likely be played similarly.
Not for coincidence, his constellation is designed to reduce his limitations, increasing uptime and giving him some off-field Hydro application, but it is the constellation of one of the first 5 star characters and like most others falling in this category, it is a rather weak and not too well designed constellation.
"luckily he found" I'm more than sure he has been designed specifically for this team
Lmao international is still overall the best at speedrunning. As for investment, a C0 Childe + C2 Kazuha are as many 5* as a full C0 Ayaka team to say how cheap that huge gain is, and of course even at C0 it's already arguably better than Ayaka overall. For weapons catch is already very competitive on Xiangling and Kazuha is generally prefered on fav so the only weapon you will gladly pull in that team is a 5* bow for Childe.
Conclusion: international or skip
Can I try If I like him? I pulled Wanderer and Lyney because I liked them and Childe is another Fatuus. I have only 1 Bennet but I stopped Abyss so It doesn't matter.
@@playmobilegamescodmI guess go for what you want but to be fair in my experience Childe outside of the abyss it’s complicated. If you don’t want to take too much time against the enemies and always use home on your team I think you can go for it but personally I benched him until I had kazuha which took 1 and a half years so if your f2p and because there will be a lot of new characters possibly fun maybe you should consider that but in the end do what you like it’s definitely the most important thing
@@playmobilegamescodmYou sure can pull him if you like his playstyle , design and everything. I am using him more than two years in abyss and overworld , if you don't want to use benny ( i won't recommend using pyro in overworld because grass burning taking dmg and benny doesn’t heal over 70 percent, ) I will recommend using him alongside another electro character for taser or hyperbloom. And also even if you want to try him in abyss without benny you can use him with fischl and beidou it is a great comp for aoe , you can even put yaoyao there for healing and additional hyperbloom and aggrevate, it's a fun comp
Childe is my favourite character, before getting Wanderer I saved Primogems for over 6 months and I got his C4 (mainly because I think it is a really fun constellation to have). That’s why I had Layla C6 for Wanderer from the day one.
Gameplay wise he and Wanderer are now my favourite characters (Riptide is just incredibly satisfying), but now I use Wanderer the most because I tend to go with the character that makes me clear things more easily and comfortably. Before getting Wanderer, I was using Childe over 99% of the time.
Anyway, I have Childe C4 with Skyward Harp, Kazuha C2 with Favonius, Xiangling with Deathmatch R5, Bennet with Skyward Blade or Aquila Favonia.
I know Childe can be really strong, for the reasons you explained, but I’m really bad at using him. I know the rotations, all the relevant mechanics, but I never learned to use his team efficiently. I also struggle surviving or at least to avoid being thrown around, sometimes, in the Abyss 12, and this is the only reason why I want Dehya (even if I know the team DPS will greatly suffer), who is at least better than Thoma.
I also wish I could play him in more teams, but I never found a good alternative to the aforementioned team. I mean, many teams work fine against groups of enemies, but they seem so bad in single target. If I’m wrong and there is anything else that works very well, please tell me, as long as Kazuha C2 is in the team because I always want to have someone effective at grouping the enemies with him.
I pulled Wanderer C2, Faru c6 and Lyney and his BIS. I will also try Childe but don't think I can get coz I already got 1 Guaranteed pull (wanderer C1) and two 50/50 win (wanderer C2 and Lyney) and beside I also won Lyney BIS all with F2p currency so my luck may have ran out.
I think he's a great pull for f2p I've been using him on every abyss at C0 with 4 star bow his team is very flexible and I'm not even skillful lol
Glad he’s working out well for you!
Agree. I let 'theory crafters' keep me away from building him, because most of them didn't reccommend Childe. Now I regret that I didn't built him sooner, because he is a beast!
Childe XL's aoe radius is nuts you arent going to get the same aoe with wanderer or even ayato
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With other TCs, it often feels like we're playing a different game. With you it feels like we *are* playing the same game.
Childe and international used to be my mains during my 33 star days during 2.x. I remember seeing others hype this team to high heaven, but I was fighting Maguu Kenki and it just wasn't working out to 36 stars (and the team itself was uncomfortable to play because low sustain meant I was resetting a lot). My Childe team's artifacts were bad too, far below the KQM standards (his ATK sands had 24% ER and nothing else). I tried replacing him with rational, but that team had even worse numbers and was even less fun to play.
From your video, the conclusion should be that he's mid at low and medium investment and shines at good artifact rng?
(I started being able to 36 star with Ayato, his artifacts were also better since he used 4x Glad)
I would say he’s awful at low investment, okay/below average/mid at medium investment, and good to great at high investment depending on how skilled you are with him
Great video. Im curious what the mentioned tighnari team is that is doing so much dps?
Thanks! It’s Tighnari Yae fischl Kazuha
Yeah his complex rotations turn me off when I have many other teams that can get similar results with way less effort. I also really like rotations that smoothly flows into the next. I'm a C0/R0 player so I doubt I'd be able to kill everything with the front-loaded damage to never have to deal with the downtime. I'll be sticking with Raiden as my best Xiangling driver.
10 minutes of yapping just to say he is overrated when he clearly isn't. if underrated because he still get a lot of hate even though he is s tier. just because there are new teams that can compete with international doesn't mean childe is overrated, it just proves how good childe and his team is for being able to keep up with the meta even after 3 years.
I don't see Childe hate anywhere ever - I do believe I said this in the video, I may not have this is an old video and I don't remember for sure, but this is based on my perspective from what I see in the community. I can't speak on anyone's perspective from my own, and when this video was made p much everything I ever saw about Childe from anyone was glazing him as the best team in the game despite his teams many flaws.
Appreciate the comment!
@@GxGNoirpeople still think he's a bad dps because xiangling does more dmg when its a misconception. also your perception of international is quite wrong, it doesn't have much flaws. the only "flaw" it has is being energy hungry, but so are half the teams in this game, and u can easily fix this by building more er or use fav kazuha. your reasoning for him being overrated is because newer teams are easier to play, his team is hard to play, and he needs investment. starting off first, u can't rate a character based on how hard they are to play if ur basing it off meta. secondly, every team outside of bloom teams needs investment. you're saying this as if international is the only team that needs investment. last but not least, xiao, wanderer and nilou teams are not better speedrunning units than international. i will let the numbers speak for itself, u can go onto bilibili or tiktok and see the clear times of the top speedrunners in the community. childe has one of the highest frontloaded dmg in the game which helps a lot in speedrunning more than u think. nilou and xiao doesn't have any at all, and wanderer has some, but not at the level of childe wanderer teams aren't nearly as good as international in AoE and nilou sucks in single target. xiao is kind of in between. one more thing u mentioned is that bosses with split phases hurt the performance of international, but thats literally the case with every team. in fact, it isn't as much of a performance loss to international compared to teams without frontloaded dmg. take maguu kenki for example, once u deal about 250k-300k hp it starts to get into its i-frames. if u were to play xiao, he has no frontloaded dmg so you'll be wasting time while u wait for the i-frames to be gone. for international, u can bypass the first phase by using childe's burst, then use xiangling's burst when the i-frame ends. this is why his flexible rotations also help a lot in speedrunning as opposed to hypercarries who only have 1 rotation. international has no real weaknesses. it is great in both AoE and single target, has no counter because they have 2 elements as dps, has high dpr and has an excellent grouper. that's the reason why childe/international has a high abyss usage and it has remained that way for 3 years even with changing meta. similar to how u will see people glazing neuvilette as the best dps in the game, it doesn't mean he's overrated. he's rated so well by the community for a reason, same with childe. just that childe gets more hate because hes an enabler
Didn't I point out the misconception of him just being an enabler that doesn't do damage in this video though? I'm pretty sure I did and broke down the math showing that he actually does a very high percentage of the teams output and his damage is just as important as XLs there. My overall conclusion was that people overrate him, but I still pointed out his positives and the things that make his team really strong. I certainly don't agree anymore that Nilou is a better speedrunning team than International, but Wanderer usually very handily beats International. If you look at speedruns for the current Abyss, I haven't seen any International come close to beating Wanderer at the same cost. Wanderer teams are incredible in AoE though and I'm not sure.
International is certainly a very strong team when played well and built properly, but I stand by my opinion that it is overrated. That doesn't mean it's not great - it can be great and overrated at the same time. You disagree and think it's properly rated, that's also fine I respect your opinion and I can tell you're a smart fellow. But based on my own perspective of what I saw in the community I can't agree. @@maharat5731
@@GxGNoir i know u pointed out the dps numbers, im just stating that some parts of the community still overlook that part. and wanderer teams can only compete against international in speedrunning if its in single target. international just has way too much aoe for wanderer to compete.
I think you are misinformed on Wanderer - I'm really not sure where people get the idea that he doesn't shine in AoE, as this is a take I see often but it is completely not true. The current abyss top half is entirely AoE - ruclips.net/video/b_d7dxw1ukE/видео.html not sure if this link will work, but this run got 43s at 6 cost and Childe is only getting comparable times to that this abyss at like 9 cost.
Wanderer has pretty good AoE on his Attacks and his range and mobility let him easily position himself to properly take advantage of it. He is incredible in AoE
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Wow the amount of people that think childe only has one team is pathetic, ya’ll need to get creative and experiment more. One-Trick Ponies.
You can use him in other teams they just won’t be optimal
Why is Childe Hyperbloom and Burgeon team inferior to Ayato's?
because of his cooldown+lack of off field application - ayato has his burst to keep up application during his downtime
Sorry but. Whats Tighnari cupcake?
Tighnari Yae fischl Kazuha
I've been a Childe main ever since 1.1, I'm very used to his playstyle now, which makes it sound weird to me when people say it's hard to play him. Sure, there's a learning curve, but you can learn everything you need pretty fast, and using him will feel pretty natural after a few days.
I do hope he gets more teams in future tho, I don't have Nahida, so I can't really play the intergrassional team, but I've always been trying out different stuff like electrocharge, freeze, hyperbloom, and burgeon with dendro MC, just because playing only national gets boring after a while. Planning to get his c1 in a few days, to have more team flexibility too.
Can I see your sheets on the childe calcs? I wanna see the er I’d need if I used freedom sworn over xiphos
From what I calced, childe would need 140, xiangling 240, bennet 230 and kazuha a whopping 270…
Yes you can! It’s linked in the resources channel of my discord. I also have an energy calculator pinned there if you need one to use for er calcs
@@GxGNoirworrddddd what’s your link
@@FAFRO discord.gg/WUy5rjcy
I do want to try an international team but, with Heizou since he decided to grace my standard banner pull. I just need a constellation for Bennett!
Imo whether to pull him or not comes down to one question which is whether u wanna olay international or not. Theres also the fact that international hogs bennet,kazuha/sucrose and xiangling and theres literally no other substitutes for them. Also has to consider that national has ALOT of other variants and they can be better than international depending on the situation as well.
Overall,childe isnt really a unit id recommend. I would recommend ayato over him to most people.
Agreed!
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Whos makes up the tighnari cupcake team?
Tighnari Yae fischl Kazuha
hay posibilidad de salgan subtitulos en español ,
You claim you are a theory crafter and then post one hell of a misleading childe guide. The dps chart that you show in your video, you don't talk about whether they are ST or Multiple enemies scenario. If it's Aoe then Childe international beats every team in your chart. If you wanna argue on this topic be my guest in childe mains tc. And one thing your dps sheet is pretty sus.
Did you…not watch the video? Please watch the video again.
Uhh if you do follow Childe tc I think you'd know that sheets don't portray him well regardless
@@GxGNoirI missed that part because of the skip. You did say about Aoe but then again let me tell you something childe is a character that you can't measure with dps sheets and we all know that in childe mains discord. So showing sheets is actually misleading
@@riddhiroy4722 how is it misleading when I explain his strengths that aren’t reflected in the sheets? I am in childe mains tc channel right now like you said. You never showed up
@@riddhiroy4722I mean that part is indeed true it's not like it was never mentioned tho
Unrelated question: how much atk should my wanderer have? Currently have 2piece set with 1900 atk 79 rate 175 dmg (Lost Prayer weapon) and farming a full dpc.
I'm glad I managed to snag haitham and use him instead of International. It got very boring and stale using Internatinal in every abyss, especially not having kazuha and using sucrose. Childe is not bad, but being limited to only 1 good team is such a big disadvantage in today's meta.
agreed
Not really when that one team can be used nearly everywhere.
That’s like saying Nilou bloom is at disadvantage when she can be used in nearly every AoE scenerio in the game.
Pretty much my thoughts exactly. A lot of people act like hes an absolute top tier dps and imo the fact that he has exactly 1 inflexible team thats amazing and no others that are anywhere near top level makes him disqualified from being a top dps. All the other top main dps' can at least mix and match some units OR can be played in different teams entirely. Hes great at his niche but thats the thing. Hes niche.
Agreed
I agree he’s more of a driver than a DPS, but even within his niche he’s applicable nearly everywhere when you need to clear.
His "niche" team destroys every content there is tho
@@jcceno4273 you're confusing me saying he's niche with his team being niche. I never said the team was niche. I said he is. He is only really good on one team. He's niche. The team is top tier and good in a lot of situations.
@@LordNovaPrime1 intergrassional and fireworks exists aswell just not as fast as international
make a video called why childe is shit
If you wanna test yourself go Childe, if you wanna go easy way go dendro