Hello, 981 S 2014 boxster driver for approx. 4 years, i follow up your video 👍. I’d be candidate for updrading my PCM to 4.0 version as described in this video. If i’m right, you propose an harness adapter in order to plug&play? From where would you reco to source the 4.0 PCM? Any idea about source&cost ? Thx un advance…
Fitted my Joyeauto last week to my 981 CGTS using this video and auto amateurs video. Just as a recommendation, I plugged the power fuse into the fuse box in the passenger footwell (the one with the ODB socket). I plugged it into rear wiper fuse socket which is a switched 12V Live, (as it was empty as i do not have a rear wiper). The cable is easy to tuck under the glove box where the cabin filter access is. I used some 3M 'Dual Lock' velcro to stick/attach the joyeauto box to the side of the transmission tunnel in the passenger foot well. In your video at 9:40 you can see the section of red transmission tunnel I used on the right hand side, that way the unit is not touching any other cables and less likely to pick up signal noise. The excess adapter cable length can then just be tucked below the unit out the way and the carpet re-fits fine. In your install you have strapped it directly to the main loom and it's also touching the main power cables going into the ECU, which may not be the best idea with regards to signal noise/feedback etc Thanks again for your video as it was the one that finally made me go ahead with purchase and install. It has made my car even more enjoyable to drive 😊 Oh and I have now subscribed 😊
Thank you so much for your comment. I was receiving intermittent signal noise I've since moved the box slightly so it's not directly strapped to the power cables and I think it's fixed. I'll try your location too as I have been meddling with it again while fitting my cameras! Honestly really appreciate the feedback and support. Thank you! Next video coming soon 🙂
That’s amazing work, and kudos to you for having the skills and the guts to do this!! Not to mention filming the whole installation - I’d be cursing all the way through 👍👍
Awesome guide/walk through. This is very daunting to do (I did mine a while back), and this is great assistance for anyone doing this - way better than the provided "instructions" :)
Even as an electrical engineer I hate the endless back ache and sore hands from auto electrical jobs, like the look of the extra functionality though. Will have a think about this on my 2014 Boxster S. Only once my carport is installed next month though as I've been caught out a few times trying to install stuff in a rain storm.
Yes Nigel but I did it the hard way you can of course just stuff it somewhere and hope for the best. Can't imagine doing that in the rain as having the roof down made it much more pleasant. Thanks for watching
@@TDS981 I could never just stuff it in on a car, engineering standards must be maintained ;) I do remember trying to fix the wiring under the dashboard of my 1966 MG Midget in a thunderstorm at Le Mans in 1991 top half dryish bottom half sodden :(
@@TDS981 Sorry I never fitted anything other than a switch triggered extinguisher. The 1293 BMC Sprint cam engine was tuned to the max 119bhp at the wheels in a 650kg car with no driver or safety aids seemed scary enough in those days to not worry about tunes ;)
Had it liked it. Took it out because the security system went haywire and could not pass emissions because it locked the odb2 down thinking it was being hotwires
😲 wow, assuming nothing was modified the adapter harness must have been all wrong. It should be powered off when the key is out of the ignition do not use a fuse socket that is always live.
Good job 👏🏻 . I’d love Apple Car Play, but I don’t know if I’m prepared to do such an invasive job! My PCM facia and climate button surrounds are also painted in the exterior colour so I’d be worried about scratching them... and possibly adding more rattles to the car if I haven’t tightened things back up as well as they should be 😂
Thanks Simon, I've done that the hard way you can of course install it and just stuff everything down the back or above the pedals but I prefer the hard way 😎
I have a US model 2014 boxster s. Thanks for this video. So far I was able to remove the front plate. I am struggling with separating the dvd player from the main unit. Your video seems to show it show coming apart. The Isudar video (which is the kit I bought) had them slide off which seems more like what mine would want. Any more insight you could provide on separating the two halves? Also how did you separate the clam shell around the steering wheel? Thanks again.
Hi, yes it slides out to split. Try to release the pins and then slide it's ok to apply pressure if you are sliding in the right direction. Steering wheel trim is very simple, I used a small screwdriver to split where you see the gap in the frame, turn the wheel and you will see where to split.
Holy Moly 😆 What are you doing again?? Well i don’t know if i would try it. At the end, i start the PCM and it write „Windows 95“ because i f@cked up 😂😂 Nice work!!! 😊👍🏼
Good video, although having seen video ‘how to’s’ on both the products you mention, I went for the more expensive NM Auto product im my 991.1 GTS as this (in my opinion) has a few advantages over the Joyauto product in that: a) there is no requirement to run wires to the fuse box or utilise a dummy auxiliary plug. There are also included within their kit, new, upgraded ribbon cables to overcome a known screen error which often had been reported as occurring when utilising the OEM cables. Personal choice, and it is pricier, however as they’re based in Guernsey and their instructional fitting documentation is VERY comprehensive (55 pages!) I thought it worth the extra. Nick Marquis is Mr NM.Automotive and proved extremely helpful.
I did something like that to my 3.1 PCM. It works so far pretty good, but what would life be without wifey... Since the module is highjacking the default Navi flat cable, there is no standard Porsche Navi anymore and only the way to have navigation via Maps and a connected phone. So my wife ticked out and made me reverse the whole job. Sad, but as a proof of concept it worked quite well.
Thank you very much for recommending this excellent device. I bought one and a more competent friend fitted it today. It worked first time and really well. As you say, losing the cables was a challenge but we managed it.
Great video, thank you! I'm trying to figure out if it is possible somehow to retain the ability to see nav in the instrument cluster when doing a head unit upgrade on these 981 caymans?
Always great info on the 981 range, good video 👍🏼 really interested in doing this upgrade, though again it does look fiddly 😬 Would like to see Apple CarPlay version working too
Thanks Phil, it is a bit of a chore but if you take your time and spread it out it isn't so bad. Next vid I'll go into more detail and perform a comparison.
Ok Thanks be good to see it working. Did you have issues with mounting the inner PCB I've heard the kits don't supply many of the uprights? PS well jel Scotland beautiful place. I'm up there in September with my Cayman S 👌🏼
@@phil.i.am2 No I think they provide 6 now, i only needed 3. You raise it up if you have DAB or SAT radio. Yes it's great to have so many driving routes so close :)
How are you liking the location of the mic in the steering column? PPL can hear you ok? I have a Cayman and can't decide if that or high on the A-pillar is the best location.
It's working well for me, I am only using it for Siri/Google Assistant anyway as my phone still runs through the pcm using the OEM mic for calls. I personally wouldn't want a third party mic showing anywhere in the cabin so prefer it to be hidden as per the video. You can always upgrade the microphone it just plugs into the microphone jack.
If you install it as I have and pull the fuse before your visit they most likely aren't going to notice it. Obviously you wouldn't be able to claim on your pcm but any unrelated scope shouldn't be an issue.
Thanks Johnny, appreciate it. Yes the USB can be used as an alternative to wireless connection and it does charge the phone, albeit slowly. Good idea to use the cable if you are going on a long journey 👍
@@cosettapessa6417 no it's been reliable. The only issue I've found is you have to select android auto wirelessly relatively quickly after start up if you want to use it but wired and Carplay don't have that issue.
I have just installed the unit and referred to your video several times. Car Play works well, but I think I’m using the wrong fuse point in the near side fuse box, as I’m getting battery drain. Could you tell me the fuse number that you used in the offside fuse box. Great video, thanks.
I have been wondering what this system looks like. I'm tempted to take mine apart and cut that connector to analyze the data transfer and see which of these wires are input and output and what's going where, etc.. Since I've owned my 981, I've wanted to upgrade the infotainment, perhaps write my own os and apps for it and add circuits that allow me to monitor and control everything in the car over an android app via bluetooth.. It's daunting though because this is obviously not a tinker toy, and I don't imagine that the underlying communication protocols are so simply prone to hacking...
Hi Martin, thanks for watching. Yes mfsw should work as normal since the wheel on the pcm works as normal. For the fuse you should use an empty slot that is active with the key at the accessory position so the box isn't always on. There are plenty options on the right side of the car.
@@TDS981 ok. Still not clear. The center display can be "mirrored" (981/2) across to the instrument cluster (right hand 'dial). Will this happen after the upgrade and what information is displayed in the instrument cluster?
Functionality is unchanged from before that is the answer, to be clear no you can't display the carplay or android auto data on the cluster. If you want a more sophisticated head unit please watch my pcm4 retrofit videos.
I like the fact you have got extended leather it was an option I was interested in but it's only available as an option on the 987 S on 987 generation I bought a base. You like a good spec like me I got PASM + DSC v1 controller, PDK, Sport Chrono, PSE, Sport Seat Plus, 19" Sport Design alloys sat-nav, Bluetooth & iPhone integration, just missing the extended leather. I had it on my 911 (996) C4S and it just makes the car feel premium...During my hunt, I noticed it's hard to get a Boxster/Cayman with a good spec...
Hi thanks for your message. Yes it was always something I wanted it really lifts the cabin and it's where you spent a lot of time driving. You get it on the dash, console and doors. It's quite difficult which is one of the reasons the GTS cars are quite popular, but the smart money, if you can find one is in a very well specified S.
Great how to mate. Picking up my first 981 this week and really want the apple drive but not sure I have the skills to do this. If anything, you’ve shown why I would get a company to do it and not tackle myself 👍 Cheers Jase
To be fair Jase that was also my first thought but I decided to roll my sleeves up and give it a go. I don't think any part of it is particularly difficult it's just a little did fiddly. Good luck with it 👍
I did this and now I have no audio… from anything. No radio or white noise at all. I reinstalled how it was before and still now luck.. any helpful ideas?🙏🙏🙏🙏
Do you have Bose? If so I think it is likely that you forgot to transfer the most connectors to your new loom, there is no bypass for these and they need to go direct. If you don't have Bose did you remember to install the little jack adapter into the socket by the usb.
The only way to power at the same time as the pcm is to share power with the pcm. You need to choose a slot that is active only when the ignition key is in the on position. Off the top of my head I use one of the slots on the right side on the bottom row.
Thanks for the video! A couple of questions.. do you already upload the 2nd video? I didn't find it, and I want to see how you work for the cameras. And then, do you confirm that the module works wireless with android? On the technical info of joyeauto there is always mention about Apple and wired for Android.. thanks!
Hi, I started the camera in the "pointless mods" video and I will finish it in the next video, hopefully this week 👍 Yes Joyeauto works with Android auto both wired and wirelessly as I confirmed in the video.
@@TDS981 thanks, I saw more than one time but after some month maybe you discovered some issue with android and for this Joyeauto tech specify that it's not working.. thanks ✌️ Waiting the other video, but even in the "pointless" there are good infos ;)
Is the unichip system exactly the same or is there a difference in its operation ? I’m going to do this mod but firstly want to see if there’s any differences in the actual operation of the touchscreen interface before I order anything, thanks.
Hi Paul, I think operation wise they are going to be very similar but I haven't tried that one, to be honest carplay or android auto is the same on any car regardless. The installation may be slightly easier if you don't need to run a wire to the fuse box but that's no big deal. My pcm4 install is coming next on the channel if you are interested.
I deleted my last comment as I did a very quick google on pcm4 😂. I’m presuming though that I need the pcm 3.1 installed first so I’m going ahead and ordering it.
@@TDS981 haven’t ordered yet but will go for the Joyeauto tomorrow as at least it’s tried n tested so I know what to expect with everyone’s reviews and I had read/watched a few articles/videos about the touch screen being slow and unresponsive sometimes so wandered if the unichip one was any better but after thinking about it, it’s the older porsche touch screen interface that will be the problem not the add on PCB as that’s nothing to do with the screen functionality. You have me thinking now to wait for your PCM 4 video as it will save me ripping my nice alcantara trim apart twice as I’m bound to do a bit of damage 🤷♂️. 🤣🤣
Hi! I just bought a Cayman S with the base system and no-nav. However, it has Bluetooth phone. Do I need to install the external microphone or can I use the car microphone? Thank you,
Hi, with Joyeauto you install the microphone for using Siri, Google assistant or for making calls in carplay. You can avoid installing the new mic altogether and simply use the pcm for making calls as you did previously it still works as it did before. I have it installed but I take calls on the pcm with the existing mic.
@@TDS981 Thank you! Question, how do you remove the cover to put the microphone like you did in the video? Are there screws to remove the steering wheel column? Thank you,
Yes it's ok about on par with Bluetooth Aux setting on the pcm. Playing stored music on my usb stick in the glovebox is still the best quality. I tend to have Waze on the pcm and use the binnacle to show what's on my usb for selecting tunes.
Have you had any interference / whine sounds which rise with the cars engine revs when in Android Audio / Car play mode. Most noticeable at higher volume levels?
Yes and I'm working on a fix. The fuse location you choose determines if it's happens, my plan is to switch to the left side of the car and try the empty TV tuner slot. Will cover in next video 👍
Thank you for your swift response. In normal circumstances interference can come from the ground loop or location of the box ( if touching the body work or other cabling etc ). Grounds are very important. So be interesting if you find a solution. Thank you for covering 👍
Thanks, it could be linked to the box location I hadn't thought of that as it is very close to the power distribution. From my tests so far when connected to always HOT fuse it does not whine at all and the volume differs depending on which slot is chosen. The PCM fuse is always hot and located on the right side of the vehicle hence why I'm keen to try the TV tuner slot. Any suggestions?
@@TDS981 Alternator whine might come from several sources and all have to be eliminated one by one to ensure you have isolated the problem. Poor RCA connections, Antenna cable, Poor Grounding, Power cables and Ground loop issues in general, ie The actual box touching the body work or other cables etc. You can mask the problem a little with Ground Loop isolators or / and Ferrite Coil but these just mask rather than solve the actual problem. It can be a mind field. I have an intermittent whine which I am still trying to isolate. Strange it doesn't make it all the time !
Hi I have a few questions which should help other porsche owners, do you disconnect the battery before starting this ? Was the delivery time from Ali Express less than one month and did you have customs charges ? Thanks Mike
No issues so far, the carpet is a covering but there is a void in there and the vents in the box are therefore clear. I'll double check after my next long drive to see if the box feels hot.
@@TDS981 sorry i have a question my original rear camera dont work i see im on on the 8 switch but nothing you see what is the problem ? Thanks for help
@@TDS981 yes OEM a'd now the unit is off i have not the blue light... I dont undersatnd.. You think the intern câble is deconnected when i remove thé PCM ?
I guess you have followed the instructions with the switches on the box? have you tried playing in the settings menu and turning the rear camera on (that's probably not going to work but worth a try). My last suggestion would be to remove the pcm and check you connected everything properly, also check that when you've added the middle section between the pcm and the vehicle loom that the camera wire is feeding through and connecting to the pcm, you may need to relocate it. You need the wiring diagram for your vehicle, is it a 991?
@@TDS981 thanks for quick reply. It would be helpful if you could help me understand what kind of damage. Something major? Porsche has given me estimate of 3000$ for getting this added to Macan
@@TheShashankrathi you are tearing apart the pcm you obviously risk damaging components, you can minimise the risk by giving it to someone who is competent. Don't pay anyone $3k to do this for you that is excessive!
First of all thanks for sharing… I installed a Rennline mount for the phone so I’m ok with the Waze on the iPhone. Nevertheless it seems to be a full solution and I’m quite interested. So if you could just give some after installation feedback i would be very appreciated mainly on the following topics? It works flawlessly any issues or bugs? Sound transmission is good quality? You’re using wireless or wired connection? What about the parking sensors? Any errors on the panel? Keep up the good work and the channel and thanks once more.😊
Hi Osvaldo, thanks for the comment. I'm going to cover detailed feedback in the next installment so stay tuned. I can advise I have no regrets so far it's a great product, there are some challenges, nothing is perfect, but overall it's great. The car works just as it did before but if I want additional features they are there at the touch of a button. I use both types of connection, parking sensors are not impacted and of course no errors why would there be.
Will it automatically start to Carplay when you start your car? (not have to press any buttons) A problem I have with my 2015 Cayenne with PCM 3 is that it seems to only want to auto start to radio or CD. It won't automatically start to the Bluetooth input or even Aux, most of the time. I think I might have some gremlins -- if anyone knows a way to fix my issue please suggest! :)
@@TDS981 I was going to place at the same location as you did but the carpet is very high. Not sure how air would get in there. With recommendation from NM Automotive, I put it behind the glove box (off to the side).
@@tran8143 sorry I don't understand what you mean because.mine was directly behind the glovebox and it never got hot. I've actually since moved it further away from the cabling as I was getting some very faint interference through the speakers. It's better now.
@@TDS981 Sorry I wasn't clear. Yes, yours is behind the glovebox but down in the footwell. I removed the glove box and placed it behind there. More air pockets behind the glove box
Watch my follow videos, see what I did afterwards.. 🤣 The interior really needs an oem headunit both for look and feel but also for integration with the rest of the car.
@@TDS981 I have a Cayman 987.2 and a 997.2 Carrera S Cabrio. Literally the *only* thing you don't get is the radio station showing in the gauge cluster. And honestly, who cares about that? I keep that display on tire pressure, and only occasionally switch over to distance to empty or average fuel economy. If I want to know what radio station I'm listening to, I simply look at the radio.
@@michaelbloom5342 and navigating directions, phone book, settings but let's not get facts in the way. I'm using pcm4 now which is leagues ahead of the original unit fitted and retains all of these features. Win win.
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I installed the Joyeauto kit in my 981. Do you have any problems with the microphone inside the steering housing? seems it would be less sensitive in there...mine is outside..
@@sambennett4103 no Sam it's been fine, and where the OEM ones are. Removing the wind cover helps and not needed in there If I'm not happy in future I'll upgrade the mic
Very interested in fitting this kit but not sure which joyaudio kit I need. I could do with a link. Thanks for an excellent video, but I couldn’t understand the product link bit
@@ashleyjames308 hi, under the video you can click the down arrow to expand the description of the video, in there I include links to support you guys. You need the unit compatible with pcm3.1 if you have the same car as me. There is also new product now on the market called Isudar, you can Google it and decide for yourself but I can't recommend it as I have no direct experience. Joyeauto is and continues to work well for me.
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Hello, 981 S 2014 boxster driver for approx. 4 years, i follow up your video 👍. I’d be candidate for updrading my PCM to 4.0 version as described in this video. If i’m right, you propose an harness adapter in order to plug&play? From where would you reco to source the 4.0 PCM? Any idea about source&cost ? Thx un advance…
Fitted my Joyeauto last week to my 981 CGTS using this video and auto amateurs video. Just as a recommendation, I plugged the power fuse into the fuse box in the passenger footwell (the one with the ODB socket). I plugged it into rear wiper fuse socket which is a switched 12V Live, (as it was empty as i do not have a rear wiper). The cable is easy to tuck under the glove box where the cabin filter access is. I used some 3M 'Dual Lock' velcro to stick/attach the joyeauto box to the side of the transmission tunnel in the passenger foot well. In your video at 9:40 you can see the section of red transmission tunnel I used on the right hand side, that way the unit is not touching any other cables and less likely to pick up signal noise. The excess adapter cable length can then just be tucked below the unit out the way and the carpet re-fits fine. In your install you have strapped it directly to the main loom and it's also touching the main power cables going into the ECU, which may not be the best idea with regards to signal noise/feedback etc Thanks again for your video as it was the one that finally made me go ahead with purchase and install. It has made my car even more enjoyable to drive 😊 Oh and I have now subscribed 😊
Thank you so much for your comment. I was receiving intermittent signal noise I've since moved the box slightly so it's not directly strapped to the power cables and I think it's fixed. I'll try your location too as I have been meddling with it again while fitting my cameras!
Honestly really appreciate the feedback and support. Thank you!
Next video coming soon 🙂
@@TDS981 what cameras are you using? I was thinking of putting one in the front bumper on mine
Just one of the cameras on eBay just make sure you buy one that is not reverse image or has the option to change.
That’s amazing work, and kudos to you for having the skills and the guts to do this!! Not to mention filming the whole installation - I’d be cursing all the way through 👍👍
There is a reason I show the work at high speed, it means I can edit the bad bits out!
Awesome guide/walk through. This is very daunting to do (I did mine a while back), and this is great assistance for anyone doing this - way better than the provided "instructions" :)
Thanks Allyn, the provided instructions 😂😂😂😂. Less said about those the better !
Superb video yet again D!!
Thanks a lot Dibbs 😎
Even as an electrical engineer I hate the endless back ache and sore hands from auto electrical jobs, like the look of the extra functionality though.
Will have a think about this on my 2014 Boxster S.
Only once my carport is installed next month though as I've been caught out a few times trying to install stuff in a rain storm.
Yes Nigel but I did it the hard way you can of course just stuff it somewhere and hope for the best.
Can't imagine doing that in the rain as having the roof down made it much more pleasant. Thanks for watching
@@TDS981 I could never just stuff it in on a car, engineering standards must be maintained ;)
I do remember trying to fix the wiring under the dashboard of my 1966 MG Midget in a thunderstorm at Le Mans in 1991 top half dryish bottom half sodden :(
Now that would have made for a good video 😂 did you retrofit 8 track tapes or cassette players back then?
@@TDS981 Sorry I never fitted anything other than a switch triggered extinguisher.
The 1293 BMC Sprint cam engine was tuned to the max 119bhp at the wheels in a 650kg car with no driver or safety aids seemed scary enough in those days to not worry about tunes ;)
Thanks for sharing. I have my unit on hand and need to schedule some time to tackle it (with backup cam).
Yes leave enough so you can take your time and do it in bite size chunks 👍
Great video. I’m local in Westhill and I really wanna do this to my 981 Cayman S! Miss CarPlay
Nice one and you should go for it. I'm sure I'll see you around 👍 thanks for watching and leaving a comment. Appreciated 😎
Had it liked it. Took it out because the security system went haywire and could not pass emissions because it locked the odb2 down thinking it was being hotwires
😲 wow, assuming nothing was modified the adapter harness must have been all wrong. It should be powered off when the key is out of the ignition do not use a fuse socket that is always live.
@@TDS981 thanks for the reply. Which # fuse socket did you use?
Very bottom, right side of vehicle, 2 along
Man that was fun to watch. I dont know if im brave enough to dive that deep into my car just yet
I remember feeling the same but no regrets the functionality allows you to enjoy it more.
Good job 👏🏻 . I’d love Apple Car Play, but I don’t know if I’m prepared to do such an invasive job! My PCM facia and climate button surrounds are also painted in the exterior colour so I’d be worried about scratching them... and possibly adding more rattles to the car if I haven’t tightened things back up as well as they should be 😂
Thanks Simon, I've done that the hard way you can of course install it and just stuff everything down the back or above the pedals but I prefer the hard way 😎
I have a US model 2014 boxster s. Thanks for this video. So far I was able to remove the front plate. I am struggling with separating the dvd player from the main unit. Your video seems to show it show coming apart. The Isudar video (which is the kit I bought) had them slide off which seems more like what mine would want. Any more insight you could provide on separating the two halves? Also how did you separate the clam shell around the steering wheel? Thanks again.
Hi, yes it slides out to split. Try to release the pins and then slide it's ok to apply pressure if you are sliding in the right direction.
Steering wheel trim is very simple, I used a small screwdriver to split where you see the gap in the frame, turn the wheel and you will see where to split.
Holy Moly 😆 What are you doing again?? Well i don’t know if i would try it. At the end, i start the PCM and it write „Windows 95“ because i f@cked up 😂😂
Nice work!!! 😊👍🏼
A leap of faith my friend 😂
Good video, although having seen video ‘how to’s’ on both the products you mention, I went for the more expensive NM Auto product im my 991.1 GTS as this (in my opinion) has a few advantages over the Joyauto product in that: a) there is no requirement to run wires to the fuse box or utilise a dummy auxiliary plug. There are also included within their kit, new, upgraded ribbon cables to overcome a known screen error which often had been reported as occurring when utilising the OEM cables. Personal choice, and it is pricier, however as they’re based in Guernsey and their instructional fitting documentation is VERY comprehensive (55 pages!) I thought it worth the extra. Nick Marquis is Mr NM.Automotive and proved extremely helpful.
Glad you are happy the NMA product has a very good reputation. I don't have either anymore, watch my latest video and you will see what I've done.
After watching this I really didn’t have any desire to fit this to my Porsche but I did think I really should buy a Boxster
That's the first step 👍🏼
I did something like that to my 3.1 PCM. It works so far pretty good, but what would life be without wifey... Since the module is highjacking the default Navi flat cable, there is no standard Porsche Navi anymore and only the way to have navigation via Maps and a connected phone. So my wife ticked out and made me reverse the whole job. Sad, but as a proof of concept it worked quite well.
Sorry Tom that shouldn't have happened, I always had OEM nav when I had this fitted in my pcm3, check out what I replaced it with in my other video.
Brilliant video really informative
Thanks John, not much use to you now though. Although they do a wireless add on for the newer cars I understand which is plug n play via the usb port.
Thank you very much for recommending this excellent device. I bought one and a more competent friend fitted it today. It worked first time and really well.
As you say, losing the cables was a challenge but we managed it.
Very glad to hear that Ashley, very useful and brings the pcm up to date. 👍👍👍
@@TDS981 All thanks to you. 👍👍
Great video, thank you! I'm trying to figure out if it is possible somehow to retain the ability to see nav in the instrument cluster when doing a head unit upgrade on these 981 caymans?
Thanks for that, the answer is sadly not. Even the pcm 4.0 doesn't show carplay maps on the cluster.
Always great info on the 981 range, good video 👍🏼 really interested in doing this upgrade, though again it does look fiddly 😬 Would like to see Apple CarPlay version working too
Thanks Phil, it is a bit of a chore but if you take your time and spread it out it isn't so bad. Next vid I'll go into more detail and perform a comparison.
Ok Thanks be good to see it working. Did you have issues with mounting the inner PCB I've heard the kits don't supply many of the uprights?
PS well jel Scotland beautiful place. I'm up there in September with my Cayman S 👌🏼
@@phil.i.am2 No I think they provide 6 now, i only needed 3. You raise it up if you have DAB or SAT radio. Yes it's great to have so many driving routes so close :)
How are you liking the location of the mic in the steering column? PPL can hear you ok? I have a Cayman and can't decide if that or high on the A-pillar is the best location.
It's working well for me, I am only using it for Siri/Google Assistant anyway as my phone still runs through the pcm using the OEM mic for calls. I personally wouldn't want a third party mic showing anywhere in the cabin so prefer it to be hidden as per the video.
You can always upgrade the microphone it just plugs into the microphone jack.
@@TDS981 Super. Thanks for the feedback.
I still have warranty on my 991.1. Would a dealer notice if I did this? Thanks.
If you install it as I have and pull the fuse before your visit they most likely aren't going to notice it. Obviously you wouldn't be able to claim on your pcm but any unrelated scope shouldn't be an issue.
Fantastic video & a great job. If you use the USB, does that charge the phone as well?
Thanks Johnny, appreciate it. Yes the USB can be used as an alternative to wireless connection and it does charge the phone, albeit slowly. Good idea to use the cable if you are going on a long journey 👍
@@TDS981 had any problems with the system?
@@cosettapessa6417 no it's been reliable. The only issue I've found is you have to select android auto wirelessly relatively quickly after start up if you want to use it but wired and Carplay don't have that issue.
@@TDS981 i would always use cable to recharge it BTW
@@cosettapessa6417 I agree, wireless is ok for the shorter journeys.
I have just installed the unit and referred to your video several times. Car Play works well, but I think I’m using the wrong fuse point in the near side fuse box, as I’m getting battery drain. Could you tell me the fuse number that you used in the offside fuse box. Great video, thanks.
I'll have to double check but I think it was the bottom row, find another empty slot and check it only functions with the key turned.
@@TDS981 Thanks again, I’ve just found it on your video. Don’t remember seeing it before 😀
I have been wondering what this system looks like. I'm tempted to take mine apart and cut that connector to analyze the data transfer and see which of these wires are input and output and what's going where, etc.. Since I've owned my 981, I've wanted to upgrade the infotainment, perhaps write my own os and apps for it and add circuits that allow me to monitor and control everything in the car over an android app via bluetooth.. It's daunting though because this is obviously not a tinker toy, and I don't imagine that the underlying communication protocols are so simply prone to hacking...
Sounds interesting good luck and please keep me updated. I've just fitted a pcm 4 video will be coming soon in October.
Hey buddy. Can you tell me which CarPlay was better. I see you purchased the joy one and the uk one. Which one was cheaper. Thanks
I only tried Joyeauto and it's reliable and well priced, but as you will see I changed it for a PCM4.
@@TDS981 what’s a pcm4
Hi Daryl
Does the Joyeauto work with mfsw and the fuse feed is it a constant live required thanks Martin.
Hi Martin, thanks for watching. Yes mfsw should work as normal since the wheel on the pcm works as normal.
For the fuse you should use an empty slot that is active with the key at the accessory position so the box isn't always on. There are plenty options on the right side of the car.
Hi
Just bought one. I hope it works and I don't break the PCM :)
Thanks for your video!
Plan the approach and take your time and all will be well! Good luck 🤞
Does the unit allow mirroring across to the instrument cluster
@@TDS981 ok. Still not clear. The center display can be "mirrored" (981/2) across to the instrument cluster (right hand 'dial). Will this happen after the upgrade and what information is displayed in the instrument cluster?
Functionality is unchanged from before that is the answer, to be clear no you can't display the carplay or android auto data on the cluster. If you want a more sophisticated head unit please watch my pcm4 retrofit videos.
Off topic: E5 petrol?! Isn’t that 95 octane? Isn`t 98 recomended?
Says 99 octane on the pump 👍
@@TDS981 Aha I see. Thanx. Here in Sweden we normally have 95 and 98 octane. And 98 has no mixture with Ethanol (hence my reaction to the E5) 🙂
@@svenskenh644 lucky you, sadly we are stuck with it, but I use 99 or 97.
I like the fact you have got extended leather it was an option I was interested in but it's only available as an option on the 987 S on 987 generation I bought a base. You like a good spec like me I got PASM + DSC v1 controller, PDK, Sport Chrono, PSE, Sport Seat Plus, 19" Sport Design alloys sat-nav, Bluetooth & iPhone integration, just missing the extended leather. I had it on my 911 (996) C4S and it just makes the car feel premium...During my hunt, I noticed it's hard to get a Boxster/Cayman with a good spec...
Hi thanks for your message. Yes it was always something I wanted it really lifts the cabin and it's where you spent a lot of time driving. You get it on the dash, console and doors.
It's quite difficult which is one of the reasons the GTS cars are quite popular, but the smart money, if you can find one is in a very well specified S.
Great how to mate. Picking up my first 981 this week and really want the apple drive but not sure I have the skills to do this. If anything, you’ve shown why I would get a company to do it and not tackle myself 👍 Cheers Jase
To be fair Jase that was also my first thought but I decided to roll my sleeves up and give it a go. I don't think any part of it is particularly difficult it's just a little did fiddly. Good luck with it 👍
I really want to do this, however would this void the CPO warranty on my Cayman?
It would void the warranty of your pcm not the entire car but read the terms of your policy to confirm.
Great job can you list what tools were needed.
Thanks Robert, tools wise you will need a trim removal set, small torx screwdriver set, some electrical tape and that's it really. 👍
I did this and now I have no audio… from anything. No radio or white noise at all. I reinstalled how it was before and still now luck.. any helpful ideas?🙏🙏🙏🙏
Do you have Bose? If so I think it is likely that you forgot to transfer the most connectors to your new loom, there is no bypass for these and they need to go direct.
If you don't have Bose did you remember to install the little jack adapter into the socket by the usb.
What fuse location do you use so the unit is only powered when the PCM is on? Trial and error has been frustrating.
The only way to power at the same time as the pcm is to share power with the pcm. You need to choose a slot that is active only when the ignition key is in the on position. Off the top of my head I use one of the slots on the right side on the bottom row.
Thanks for the video! A couple of questions.. do you already upload the 2nd video? I didn't find it, and I want to see how you work for the cameras.
And then, do you confirm that the module works wireless with android? On the technical info of joyeauto there is always mention about Apple and wired for Android.. thanks!
Hi, I started the camera in the "pointless mods" video and I will finish it in the next video, hopefully this week 👍
Yes Joyeauto works with Android auto both wired and wirelessly as I confirmed in the video.
@@TDS981 thanks, I saw more than one time but after some month maybe you discovered some issue with android and for this Joyeauto tech specify that it's not working.. thanks ✌️
Waiting the other video, but even in the "pointless" there are good infos ;)
@@asuna981s I'm very happy with it, been a great addition. 👍 Thanks for watching.
Good video, but I can't intall this kit by myself... Is there any person (or company) who is able to do this job in... France?
Of course you can. Any Audio shop will take your money I'm sure.
Is the unichip system exactly the same or is there a difference in its operation ? I’m going to do this mod but firstly want to see if there’s any differences in the actual operation of the touchscreen interface before I order anything, thanks.
Hi Paul, I think operation wise they are going to be very similar but I haven't tried that one, to be honest carplay or android auto is the same on any car regardless.
The installation may be slightly easier if you don't need to run a wire to the fuse box but that's no big deal. My pcm4 install is coming next on the channel if you are interested.
I deleted my last comment as I did a very quick google on pcm4 😂. I’m presuming though that I need the pcm 3.1 installed first so I’m going ahead and ordering it.
The board for pcm 3.1 is fine for most people which one did you opt for?
@@TDS981 haven’t ordered yet but will go for the Joyeauto tomorrow as at least it’s tried n tested so I know what to expect with everyone’s reviews and I had read/watched a few articles/videos about the touch screen being slow and unresponsive sometimes so wandered if the unichip one was any better but after thinking about it, it’s the older porsche touch screen interface that will be the problem not the add on PCB as that’s nothing to do with the screen functionality.
You have me thinking now to wait for your PCM 4 video as it will save me ripping my nice alcantara trim apart twice as I’m bound to do a bit of damage 🤷♂️. 🤣🤣
The touchscreen is exactly the same as it is now adding the board makes no difference. 👍
Hi! I just bought a Cayman S with the base system and no-nav. However, it has Bluetooth phone. Do I need to install the external microphone or can I use the car microphone? Thank you,
Hi, with Joyeauto you install the microphone for using Siri, Google assistant or for making calls in carplay. You can avoid installing the new mic altogether and simply use the pcm for making calls as you did previously it still works as it did before. I have it installed but I take calls on the pcm with the existing mic.
@@TDS981 Thank you! Question, how do you remove the cover to put the microphone like you did in the video? Are there screws to remove the steering wheel column? Thank you,
@@samyb2834 hi, steering wheel at 90deg and you'll see two tabs just above the join, use a flat head to push the tabs and it lifts up and away.
@@TDS981 Thank you very much for your help!
Are you satisfied with sound quality of carplay when you play music through it?
Yes it's ok about on par with Bluetooth Aux setting on the pcm. Playing stored music on my usb stick in the glovebox is still the best quality. I tend to have Waze on the pcm and use the binnacle to show what's on my usb for selecting tunes.
Not brave enough 😰! Well done to you 👏🏼 And another video of something I definitely fancied doing.
Which bit scares you? It's not so difficult and there are easier ways to run the cables if you don't mind compromises.
Nice vids, thanks. This upgrade could be a nice addition to my 981
👍 go for it
Have you had any interference / whine sounds which rise with the cars engine revs when in Android Audio / Car play mode. Most noticeable at higher volume levels?
Yes and I'm working on a fix. The fuse location you choose determines if it's happens, my plan is to switch to the left side of the car and try the empty TV tuner slot. Will cover in next video 👍
Thank you for your swift response. In normal circumstances interference can come from the ground loop or location of the box ( if touching the body work or other cabling etc ). Grounds are very important. So be interesting if you find a solution. Thank you for covering 👍
Thanks, it could be linked to the box location I hadn't thought of that as it is very close to the power distribution. From my tests so far when connected to always HOT fuse it does not whine at all and the volume differs depending on which slot is chosen. The PCM fuse is always hot and located on the right side of the vehicle hence why I'm keen to try the TV tuner slot. Any suggestions?
@@TDS981 Alternator whine might come from several sources and all have to be eliminated one by one to ensure you have isolated the problem. Poor RCA connections, Antenna cable, Poor Grounding, Power cables and Ground loop issues in general, ie The actual box touching the body work or other cables etc. You can mask the problem a little with Ground Loop isolators or / and Ferrite Coil but these just mask rather than solve the actual problem. It can be a mind field. I have an intermittent whine which I am still trying to isolate. Strange it doesn't make it all the time !
Hi I have a few questions which should help other porsche owners, do you disconnect the battery before starting this ? Was the delivery time from Ali Express less than one month and did you have customs charges ? Thanks Mike
It's always advised to disconnect the battery before performing a scope like this. Delivery was less than 2 weeks.
Awesome! What's the song that starts at 6:51 btw?
Thanks Anish, RUclips Music library 'Cold Water'
Wow very brave, I am trying same thing with my 997.2 tomorrow 😢😢😢
I've gone up another level since this one, check out my latest video 🫣
What year 981 onward would have PCM3 please ? 😂
All 981 cars have pcm3.1 or CDR31
Hello, no problem to install the unit under the carpet ? Not too hot ? Thanks :)
No issues so far, the carpet is a covering but there is a void in there and the vents in the box are therefore clear. I'll double check after my next long drive to see if the box feels hot.
@@TDS981 sorry i have a question my original rear camera dont work i see im on on the 8 switch but nothing you see what is the problem ? Thanks for help
@@lrs7677 was your original camera OEM?
@@TDS981 yes OEM a'd now the unit is off i have not the blue light... I dont undersatnd.. You think the intern câble is deconnected when i remove thé PCM ?
I guess you have followed the instructions with the switches on the box? have you tried playing in the settings menu and turning the rear camera on (that's probably not going to work but worth a try).
My last suggestion would be to remove the pcm and check you connected everything properly, also check that when you've added the middle section between the pcm and the vehicle loom that the camera wire is feeding through and connecting to the pcm, you may need to relocate it. You need the wiring diagram for your vehicle, is it a 991?
why not just install the PCM 4???
About 10 x more difficult.
@@TDS981 so it is possible?
Is there a possibility in future this would damage anything in the car?
Yes.
@@TDS981 thanks for quick reply.
It would be helpful if you could help me understand what kind of damage. Something major?
Porsche has given me estimate of 3000$ for getting this added to Macan
@@TheShashankrathi you are tearing apart the pcm you obviously risk damaging components, you can minimise the risk by giving it to someone who is competent. Don't pay anyone $3k to do this for you that is excessive!
First of all thanks for sharing…
I installed a Rennline mount for the phone so I’m ok with the Waze on the iPhone.
Nevertheless it seems to be a full solution and I’m quite interested.
So if you could just give some after installation feedback i would be very appreciated mainly on the following topics?
It works flawlessly any issues or bugs?
Sound transmission is good quality?
You’re using wireless or wired connection?
What about the parking sensors?
Any errors on the panel?
Keep up the good work and the channel and thanks once more.😊
Hi Osvaldo, thanks for the comment. I'm going to cover detailed feedback in the next installment so stay tuned. I can advise I have no regrets so far it's a great product, there are some challenges, nothing is perfect, but overall it's great. The car works just as it did before but if I want additional features they are there at the touch of a button.
I use both types of connection, parking sensors are not impacted and of course no errors why would there be.
Thanks I’ll be waiting for the next video…😊
Curious how do you get Android auto to auto start without pressing the Navi button when you start your car????
I don't I have to press Navi and then the option comes up to pair with my phone wirelessly.
@@TDS981 does this only impact Android or does carplay have the same issue?
@@shinyhammer both are the same. You have to remember this system is an add on to the PCM, you press Navi to turn it on effectively.
@@TDS981 true point. 👍. Thanks for the video!! Your channel is the reason I bought the joyeauto!!
@@shinyhammer nice one. Keep watching and commenting it's nice to hear from you guys 👍
Will it automatically start to Carplay when you start your car? (not have to press any buttons)
A problem I have with my 2015 Cayenne with PCM 3 is that it seems to only want to auto start to radio or CD. It won't automatically start to the Bluetooth input or even Aux, most of the time. I think I might have some gremlins -- if anyone knows a way to fix my issue please suggest! :)
No Pcm 3 works as before you need to select this as you would nav etc. Pcm4 starts automatically when you plug in.
Putting the box in the footwell behind the carpet seems like it might overheat
Big air gap in there.
@@TDS981 I was going to place at the same location as you did but the carpet is very high. Not sure how air would get in there. With recommendation from NM Automotive, I put it behind the glove box (off to the side).
@@tran8143 sorry I don't understand what you mean because.mine was directly behind the glovebox and it never got hot. I've actually since moved it further away from the cabling as I was getting some very faint interference through the speakers. It's better now.
@@TDS981 Sorry I wasn't clear. Yes, yours is behind the glovebox but down in the footwell. I removed the glove box and placed it behind there. More air pockets behind the glove box
@@tran8143 ah higher up,.now I understand. Nice idea 👍
Great work. 👍
Not a chance in hell that I'd attempt that!
Well at least you know that now 😂
@@TDS981
Lol, good point
Shit look so hard I’m stressed
Or you know, you could just buy a far superior Kenwood, Alpine, Pioneer, JVC, or Sony and put in there.
Watch my follow videos, see what I did afterwards.. 🤣
The interior really needs an oem headunit both for look and feel but also for integration with the rest of the car.
@@TDS981 Not really, but okay. Whatever floats your boat. I'll stick with my Kenwoods in my Porsches. (And everything else I own as well)
@@michaelbloom5342 obvious to me you don't own this generation of Porsche. You add a Kenwood you are losing functionality.
@@TDS981 I have a Cayman 987.2 and a 997.2 Carrera S Cabrio. Literally the *only* thing you don't get is the radio station showing in the gauge cluster. And honestly, who cares about that? I keep that display on tire pressure, and only occasionally switch over to distance to empty or average fuel economy. If I want to know what radio station I'm listening to, I simply look at the radio.
@@michaelbloom5342 and navigating directions, phone book, settings but let's not get facts in the way.
I'm using pcm4 now which is leagues ahead of the original unit fitted and retains all of these features. Win win.
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I installed the Joyeauto kit in my 981. Do you have any problems with the microphone inside the steering housing? seems it would be less sensitive in there...mine is outside..
@@sambennett4103 no Sam it's been fine, and where the OEM ones are. Removing the wind cover helps and not needed in there
If I'm not happy in future I'll upgrade the mic
Very interested in fitting this kit but not sure which joyaudio kit I need. I could do with a link. Thanks for an excellent video, but I couldn’t understand the product link bit
@@ashleyjames308 hi, under the video you can click the down arrow to expand the description of the video, in there I include links to support you guys. You need the unit compatible with pcm3.1 if you have the same car as me.
There is also new product now on the market called Isudar, you can Google it and decide for yourself but I can't recommend it as I have no direct experience. Joyeauto is and continues to work well for me.
@@TDS981 Thanks very much, sorry I’m so thick. I’ve found it and would like to add these features to my 2012 981S.