Can you retrofit PCM4 into a 981, 991, Cayenne, Macan, GT4 GT3? | Part 1
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In 2016 Porsche upgraded the infotainment systems in their vehicles with a new PCM unit, aka PCM 4. From 2012 and Up to MY 2016 PCM 3.1 featured in vehicles, although well received at the outset, it was beginning to show its age. PCM 4 provided an improved user experience with a higher resolution screen and capacitive touchscreen just like the one on your smartphone, and these changes provided an excellent basis for smartphone integration via Apple Carplay.
Up until now it wasn't entirely clear whether the PCM 4 units could be retrofitted, this video explores whether owners can ditch the infamous pcm 3, forget all about joyeauto et al and retrofit the PCM4. Watch this video to find out if it is possible, what has to be done and what is required to add pcm 4 into your Porsche!
Putting the 981 to the side, we borrow a 958.2 Cayenne to use as a test mule to establish if it can be done. At the end of the day the PCM 4 is just a VW MIB2 unit, what could possibly go wrong???
Support available including plug and play loom and coding for your cars specification, please contact me at testdrivescotland@gmail.com. Prices available upon request. If anyone would like support or assistance then I ask that you subscribe and support the channel using the super thanks button above or paypal using the testdrivescotland@gmail.com address.
Please note that if you have BOSE or Burmeister fitted, PCM 4 is not compatible out of the box and you will need to commit to swapping your amplifier if you want to perform this retrofit.
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Bought the joyauto kit for 981 but haven’t dug in yet so this teaser got me thinking should wait for pcm 4.0 video and do that instead.
Another level of difficulty but it's possible as you can see.
🤯 WHAT are you doing mate? 😄 Good Work 👍🏼
Once I started I couldn't stop !🤣
Can't wait for part 2, might be even better than going for the joyeauto (also im on cdr31 with low res)
With a CDR the business case for doing this is much better! For the resolution alone!
Amazing work Daz, like the rest of your content. Looking forward to part 2.
Thanks Emil, appreciate it 👍
Good work. Not sure I’d have the confidence to do this myself, but keen to see how you get on with the 981.
Already done 👍 will follow up
Looks like you're glossing over the most critical parts. I'd love to see more details than that. Have you done a blog article or a forum thread?
You are correct! Watch part 2.of the video (the end), I offer for sale hardware kits and remote support services for a range of models and now including rental of equipment for coding etc.
Just discovered this video after having just bought a 981 Boxster GTS myself less than a week ago, and thinking how nice it would be to have a PCM4 unit with native AA in there. I'd definitely love to learn more about your process...
What a beauty, so stoked to find your channel! Thank you!
Thanks that's appreciated 👍🏼, follow up coming soon I promise 😄
Brilliant work Daz. Really enjoy following your vidoes on here and on FB. You are braver that I would be with my 2013 981, but would love to be able to upgrade to the much newer PCM 4.0. Can't wait to see part 2. Well done.
👍👍👍 stay tuned
Great content please keep me/us posted. Would luv to to this mod to my 981.
Crikey Daryl that looked a right headache! I’m not trying it, but I’ll maybe book the Turbo in with you for a wee winter 991 update…….😁
👍👍👍 second one went much better
I like the way you’re keeping us all in suspense here 😂. You’re a legend, thanks for doing this!
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Amazing! looking forward to Part 2 🙂
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Thanks!
Thank you 👍
super video, I have a 991.1 would love this mod. Let me know if you ever start doing this for others I'd be happy to pay for this upgrade
See the last part of the video, that is the plan but will take some time to organise.
I’ll keep watching and hope we can get a meet up and get this new system fitted. 👍
Great work Daz. I’d be interested. No steering wheel controls in my Spyder, no Bose either. And prob a simpler loom as fewer speakers. Another top video 👍🏻👍🏻. Ps I understand “red” is sold again (now standard)
Thanks Dan, should be straight forward then. I have one unit in stock but going to take a while to build a loom, I have a coding contact down south who can support.
Not surprised nice looking car 👍🤣
Have messaged you
Presume a friendly Porsche specialist with PIWI could do the coding?
@@dansquires7385 they can buy won't be experienced and it's not straight forward. I've learned a lot through trial and error and many hours working things out. You can't auto code a pcm on car it wasn't designed for
Hi Daryl, very brave to attempt this with the very different connections. I didnt get Joyauto on my 981 as it looked risky and I was worried about delivery from China but instead just upgraded the HDD to an SSD using an Ableconn IIDE-MSAT mSATA SSD to 2.5-Inch IDE Adapter Converter with Aluminum Frame Bracket - Latch and Retain mSATA SSD as 9.5mm 2.5 IDE SSD Drive and Transcend mSata drive after using CloneZilla on the OEM HDD after upgrading maps in my 2012 981 to 2021 to get newer technology, most people I guess would like to know a few things so I will start the ball rolling.
How much does an OEM PCM 4 unit cost ?
If enough people commited to a bulk purchase from the original manufacturer and bypass Porsche, how much could it drop to ?
You mentioned about being unable to update the software, I have a Lenovo Clone PIWIS3 with a non porsche VSI interface, does it need an OEM Porsche Interface ?
Where can you get the special program to help integrate a PCM 4 into a car set up for PCM 3.1 please as I had trouble locating that ?
I have BOSE so do you think I just need to move the optical connections from the OEM harness to the aftermarket harness for full compatibility ?
I think its not going to be cheap to do but if it was less than £1500 to £2000 it would work !
Cheers Daryl
You are a star mate !
Thanks, if you would like support in doing this on your own watch the last part of the video and drop me an email if of interest. I just don't have the time to support everyone in the comments section.
Hi : great video. Do you suggest to replace pcm 3.1 by pcm 4.0? Or to move forward with the aftermarket solutions with CarPlay (such as isudar or Joyce auto). Second question: will your solution work in a 2014 panamera with pcm 3.1 (I don't know whether the dimension around the vents are similar to the cayenne in the video)
Hi, thank you. In my opinion Pcm 4 is significantly better than any of the Pcm 3 add on solutions but if you have bose or burmeister then it's a far easier to modify pcm3.
I can't say for sure but I don't see why not. Dimensions wise they should both fit, the issue in the cayenne was that the vents sit over the top of the screen and are a slightly different shape. In the panamera they look to sit to the side so looks like it should be ok, the pcm 4 is slightly longer.
If you are interested i can help with a kit, please email the channel. Email is in the video description.
I am looking forward to part 2 as I have a 981 GT4 I would love to upgrade to PCM4. I hope you make an idiot proof step by step as electronics is not my strong suit.
It's too complicated for that, email at testdrivescotland@gmail.com and I can supply our scope of services.
Have seen some Chinese aftermarket succeed upgrading pcm 3.1 to 4.0 and make it as a mature product/service. Wondering when US can have this kind of product/service.
Not the same, not even close.
Hello. Would love to see part 2 and loom link for purchase. Cheers
Drop me an email or message on Instagram I'm making them👍👍
Part 2 is released
Thanks! I'm in the states and interested in swapping out in my 958.1 ('14 Cayenne Turbo S). Looking forward to part-2 and would love to connect up to discuss possible pcm4/loom.
Thanks 👍 drop me an email testdrivescotland@gmail.com
Hope you don't have bose 😭
@@TDS981 uh oh - i do have bose.. let me guess, their amps are impossible to get straight with the updated PCM4..
@@TyBurger1 sadly not compatible, but if you can source a Pcm4 and a Bose amp together from the same vehicle it should mate up ok. Otherwise you need to ditch the Bose amp and go aftermarket.
@@TDS981 Are there good options to install aftermarket cleanly and sound >= to bose? I suppose the only other issue ditching the bose amp is that you'll have perpetual DTC's due to the missing components right? Something about having codes hanging around that isn't super appealing.
@@TyBurger1 I'm not sure which amp to recommend for pcm4, would be best to discuss with a local audio specialist. There shouldn't be any associated codes lingering because the Pcm4 can be coded to suit the set up you chose.
Daz, great video! A question as to why you say the the PCM4 swap is not compatible with BOSE? Why so?
I understand Bose uses MOST optical output rather than the line output used by SSP amp, but my understanding is the PCM4 can be coded to output in either LINE or MOST (but not both simultaneously) Would coding the PCM4 to MOST output solve the problem, or is the issue more fundamental? Iirc, 981 have MOST25, and 718 use newer rarer MOST150, So I guess if you wanted to use a PCM4 in a 981 with Bose, you would need to get MOST150 output activated and source a MOST150 Bose Amp to match?
Also, I read The PCM4 does not display map data in cluster of 981, as the multimedia board in the 981 cluster is different than the one in the 718 with PCM4 (981 cluster needs more flash & RAM & and programmed today PCM4 specs)
Thanks, without going into detail the old amp won't work with Pcm4 unless there is an adapter out there but I'm yet to find one at least at a reasonable cost. Of course you can code it for MOST output but the problem remains it's set up for the later most150 amp.
There are some solutions to this problem but you have to commit to ditching your existing amp either for an aftermarket solution or later unit but it's not plug and play.
You are correct regarding the screen. Your desire to use the OEM nav after acquiring Google maps or Waze will be extremely limited if you want to arrive on time and the carplay/AA maps don't show in the cluster anyway.
If you want to discuss further, email the channel testdrivescotland@gmail.com and we can discuss your options.
Looking forward to a parts list. I have a Bose system here in the US I am setting up my PIWIS 3. So looking forward for more information. So looks like I will need a new Bose amp most150 vs most25. Don’t know if the 981 can use it and if I need to or can program it
Watch to the end, information provided 👍
Interesting project! I have a 2014 981 Cayman S (Guards Red too) that I enjoy a lot.
May I ask, how did you get the red steering wheel ring at 12:00?
One of the viewers sent me a little bit of vinyl as a decorative thing. Looks like the real deal!
Awesome video! I just picked up a 2016 Cayenne diesel and want to do this mod. I see that it had android auto. Did the used PCM you bought had that enabled from the factory or did you code in that access? I'm on the Apple side of the fence and would like to do both the 4.0 upgrade while adding Apple car play to the features. Thanks
Hi thanks, no I enabled those features after installation.
@@TDS981 I was on rennlist and saw there isn't a good way around Bose yet. I'll have to wait for a solution or do research on how to bypass the amp issue with buying a aftermarket amp.
@@FourReelProductions yes you either need an expensive adapter or you commit to changing the amplifier out.
I’d be interested in this suppled and fitted
Drop me an email, address in the video description.
Saying email invalid??
testdrivescotland@gmail.com
Do you have a backup camera? If yes oem or after market? Does your previous calls show in cluster?
I don't use a back up cam, but it can be added. Yes my cluster in both the 958 and 981 shows all call info, last dialled etc
@@TDS981 thanks for the info. I will have to check why mine does not. It shows incoming calls and contacts. If you figure out backup camera let me know I am willing to pay to get it to work
Hi mate, how did you get on with making this mass-market?
Yes it's happening, email at testdrivescotland@gmail.com and we can discuss
Great video? Is there a part 2 in the making?
Yes but spoiler alert it worked. 👍
@@TDS981 great, are you going to sell prepped pcm’s?
@@timnology Hi Tim, yes already offering a range of services just send an email to the channel and we can help.
Hi brilliant video can the upgrade be done on my 991 .1 I would like to upgrade mine to the PCM 4
Thanks, yes it can. If you have Bose it's very complicated without it then same process as the video. Email at testdrivescotland@gmail.com if you would like to discuss further.
Good evening, Sir. I've still got the PCM 3.1 and wondered if I could retrofit a hard drive to give it the Jukebox functionality, same Q to add DAB as that's not on mine either, any pointers, please? Cheers!!
Not possible for either sorry.
@@TDS981 bummer! Thanks for quick reply!
How much is the wiring kit to convert a Macan 2015 pcm 3 to 4? Thanks
Drop me an email testdrivescotland@gmail.com
Thanks
Thanks Will 👍🏼
Where’s part 2?
Haven't made it yet
I do want to do this so bad. I wish someone else could do it for me.
Fortune favours the brave 😁
I'd like to try this on my 958.1 Following, and I'd love to see if you get this to work in your other car!
Thanks 🙏 done it was slightly easier on the 981.
@@TDS981 You don't have XM or Sirius over there do you? I dumped the joyeAudio and went with Idodar but I didn't do an aftermarket head unit because I listen to satellite radio almost exclusively.
We have DAB which is HD radio. That works with pcm4 and I managed to hook it up to the OEM antenna.
@@TDS981 I'm shopping for a radio. I had to build a couple of piggyback harnesses and reprogram my 2019 Z06 to add a few missing options when new. (NAV, PDR, Subwoofer, AMP, Heated and vented comp seats, etc.)
This is along the same vein and probably easier! I have a PIWIS II also, so I'm good to go.
If you want to run with this as a service I'm near Detroit. I'm more than capable of doing this mod.
Does the map show on the cluster?
Directions do, but not the map, Porsche maps are seldom used when you have Waze / Google anyway.
Where do I buy in Us? Thanks
Please email me using the email address in the video description
Where's part 2?
It will follow but installation was successful in the 981 and kits are available, email the channel , see video description
Part 2 is released
@@TDS981 Thanks!
Wow amazing work! This is big for the 981 and 991.1 community.
Thanks 👍👍👍 it's huge
Thanks!
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Ahh found your vid 👍
Thanks - excited to see where this goes and happy to support. Must get my 981s up to Scotland next year and pcm 4 would make the journey that much better!!
Nice one Stuart, yes part 2 will cover the 981 and teething issues, I've had a lot of minor niggles to iron out on the Cayenne.
Thanks!
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Thanks!
Thanks to you 😊
This is tremendous, great job. My 981 came with a CDR31, so currently running a Pioneer Mechless unit with Carplay and higher res, etc. I do miss the volume knob and OEM integration. Would love to do the same as you've just done, can't wait to see the part 2!
Thanks Mike, yes I bet, this is a great solution just a shame it's challenging. Thanks for watching 👍
Great video. I’m looking for some advice on firing led headlights to a ‘16 macan which has halogen. Do you have any experience?
Fantastic video. The PCM in my 981s is one of the very few things I wish was more modern. I’m looking forward to the video on that install.
Will follow in November pretty much the same process and in the end it was the easier car to work with !
Thanks!
Crikey Daryl that looked a right headache! I’m not trying it, but I’ll maybe book the Turbo in with you for a wee winter 991 update…….😁
Hi is there any update on this since the video was made?! I have a 2018 Porsche Macan S and want to do this. I just tried installing unavi version and it did not work…my display now has 50% of it with lcd a light gray color when I put it back to stock..
Looking for a more oem solution like this.
Yes there was a follow up video, look at the channel
Have you found a way to take the parking brake off from service mode, i see you have the same as me, but i tried with the scanner and no luck.
I don't have a parking brake error, when scanning various items flash up.
But yes I know how to get the parking brake out of service mode they usually require calibration but you need to do it in the right order.
Wow! That’s amazing 🔥 I want this on my Carrera 2S (991.1)
Drop me an email and watch part 2
You think it's possible to replace the PCM 3.0 with a 4.0 as well?
No only the 3.1
Thanks!
looks pretty well made and it has its risks ofcourse i had installed a GTA car kit Apple carplay in a 13 caynne and it has been working great for the past year and some change but it would be nice to have a newer PCM in it
Would love to have this installed in my Macan S 2016, sadlyit seems you need multiple engineering degrees in order to make that work haha
(Im)patiently waiting for part 2! Sorry, just a little excited. Got a 2013 981 Boxster with CDR31. Really want to upgrade to PCM, especially if PCM4 is a potential.
It works on the 981 if you want to do it email us at testdrivescotland@gmail.com
Have you been to The Dead Rabbit lately?😂
Maybe 😂
Where did you get the PCM4 from?
Salvage
Awesome mate. Your videos are the most inspiring on youtube on this topic. I wish they could be a bit more like a detailed walk-through. Could you share a detailed manual somewhere, like Medium?
Hi, I understand I can follow up with more detail but if you watch to the end I offer a solution.
Exciting work you've done here. I think I want to take this on in my newly acquired 2015 Cayenne S. You mentioned wanting to have your own store where you could supply conversion harness looms or even radios pre-coded to our VIN, do you have an idea of when you'd like to have these options be available? Additionally, do you have any other threads on Rennlist regarding this topic? I've followed this process and video since before I even owned my 958.2, and I'm excited to at one point take this on. Thanks again for the awesome video!
Thanks 🙏 drop me an email 📨 testdrivescotland@gmail.com
Great work, and thanks for sharing. Hopefully part 2 is going well. I hope you can earn a bit from your efforts. I would definitely pay you for a coded pcm4 and loom, or even just a pinout and a set of coding instructions. Not sure where in Scotland you are, but shout if you want a 958.2 with Bose to test on. In fact, get please in touch if I can help at all. Great project!
Hi Graeme, thanks a lot really appreciated. I can help you out, the problem with cars with Bose is that the pcm 4 is not compatible, I think the only option is to install an aftermarket amplifier or to buy an expensive adapter. If you want email me at testdrivescotland@gmail.com and I can run you through the options.
Thanks
Thank you much appreciated 👍🏼👍🏼👍🏼
Hey Daz - This is pretty incredible. Do you happen to have a sketch how to make the conversion harnesses? I am planning to do this conversion on my 2016 GT4.
I can support remotely or make one for you email is testdrivescotland@gmail.com
Hi. Some news for retrofiting to 981?
Yes all done, updated on Instagram page.
Yes various options email testdrivescotland@gmail.com
Amazing… I did the Joyeauto after watching your video… now I’m tempted for this… but I think it’s above my skills…😅😅😅
That's exactly what I said but then...
Hi Daryl do you sell the kit to retrofit the pcm4.0 into my 991.1 Turbo S? I’d even be happy to come up to Scotland to your shop and pay to get this done on my car.
Yes I do, email me testdrivescotland@gmail.com
I cant wait till you do the Cayman. I hope its not going to be too difficult, specially in the wiring connection and extra materials. Currently have the 3.1 as well.
It's exactly the same process 👍
did the MIB solution solve the Android Auto icon being messed up, doing it some time back on my 718 I didn't get the nice version you showed?
Yes you need the latest version of the tool and it's in the menu. 👍
You are really a pro! Tell your wife… that she read found a good one! A keeper! Lol keep it up!
Brings us more! Thanks
Thanks buddy 😁 she asked if you drink every Sunday or just this one.
You've peaked my interest for upgrading in my NA spec 2016 Cayenne diesel...
Thanks 👍👍👍
Incredible work, if someone offered this as a package imagine the business they would get from PCM 3.1 owners! I have the Isudar in my 958.2 turbo S and it’s ok, sometimes has random connection issues.
The supply of pcm4s will always be limited they don't grow on trees
Amazing. Love the commitment. How can I contact you on Facebook to learn more about reprogramming?
Send an email ✉️ testdrivescotland@gmail.com
Great video sir! Your content is helping the community.
Thanks appreciate it 👍
Can’t find your Instagram account, great work, excited to see the part 2
It's testdrivescotland, almost finished expect it very soon !
My 981 PCM may be on the way out ... hopefully 981 video soon! 😅
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Hey, Thanks for the video!! Unfortunately the super thanks doesn’t support NZD 😩. I’ll figure something out !!
I had the PCM 4.0 in the GT3 so going back to the 3.1 in the 981 is a bit frustrating really, especially once I’d put Apple CarPlay into it and realised the touch screen doesn’t really work well enough to support it.
So if I install the 4.0 as you have, would that include CarPlay as it did in the GT3? And I also put the 9XX Apple CarPlay kit in for reversing and front cameras. How could I enable these with the PCM 4.0?
Mib2 software. Look it up.
@@vartechinc Thanks, looks like a bit of research… and wait for part 2 of the video :)
Haha it’s like watching the Brave Heart movie but in modern times.
😂😂😂 and with less hair
Thanks!
Checking back in if you are going to post a part 2?
Yes I will, I post more updates on Instagram but it's been in a long time on both the Cayenne and 981, I do offer looms and support so you can email the channel for more information and I'll come back to you.
@@TDS981 what's your ig?
@@PhillipTieuChainz same as here
Part 2 is released
Thanks!
Great as always Daryl! Definitely interested in the coded unit, I actually came across this latest video of yours when I was looking to see if it could be done! Subscribed on this account too now
Thanks 🙏
Well done !!!!! Need for 3.1 in a Macan....cmon kits !!!1 :)
Email testdrivescotland@gmail.com we can make one up.
Thanks
Great work. I have a 981 Boxster with Bose and XM radio.
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No part 2? 🤔
I need to follow up with a part 2, but it's all fitted in the 981 and I'm making kits for people. Just send an email to the channel if you fancy one
Part 2 is released
Brilliant video, super excited for the next one. I'd be very interested in a supplied and coded unit if you do decide to do them! Will you be covering any extras that are needed such as DAB antenna?
Thanks Mike, yes the plan would be the full kit minus the cluster flash or you could send a unit to me and it can be returned with all the coding done to suit your car. The issue is pcm4s don't grow on trees
@@TDS981 Indeed, there looks to be one on eBay for a decent price at the moment though! If you offered it fitted that might be tempting too, and a nice excuse to drive up to Scotland!
What is the reason for not wanting to offer the cluster flash? I would assume aslong as you don't alter mileage then it would be ok to do?
It is fine to do you are only flashing the bit to the right with the data in the screen the issue is I don't have the tool to do it, the plan would be that we have contacts that can do it for you for a fixed fee, at your own risk obviously.
Drop me an email and I'll get back to you when I've got a plan together
Great content. I have a 987 Gen 2 and the Pcm 3.0 does not Turn on i have checked all the fuses with no luck. can a Pcm 3 be fixed and If so at what cost. Or whould it be cheaper to purchase a 3.1 Plus would A Pcm 3.1 be compatible in a 987.2.
Sorry to hear that, unfortunately I don't know if PCM 3.1.fits or functions in the 987. There is only one way to find out!
There are people that repair pcm units, use Google to find one local to you.
If you have a 987, Porsche makes a Porsche Classic replacement with CarPlay now
@@kalebkloppe6193 Only for the .1
Great video! Awesome to see you can update the PCM.
Not easy but possible 👍
You are one brave man! 😂. Loving the mods to the 981 though 👍
Brave or crazy it's a fine line.
Brilliant, well done! I had been looking at this for my 981 but no longer, moving to a 718 next week 😉
Well no bad thing, 4.0l I hope !
@@TDS981 indeed, I will continue to enjoy your fantastic work, an inspiration to 981 owners
Is there a part 2 out for this yet? Link?
Sorry not yet, but can confirm it's working in the 981, in fact it was much simpler.
Such a great guy. Glad I have found your channel
Ha ha thanks Daniyar 👍😎
Possible at all with CDR31 ?
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What’s the price for PCM and any supporting bits?
Also is the CarPlay on this going to be any different beside resolution difference compared to the 3rd party solutions they work with PCM 3.1?
Drop me an email at testdrivescotland@gmail.com
Carplay will be the same on both devices but pcm 4 looks and feels more like a smart phone.
Tak!
Amazing video yet again!!!
Glad you enjoyed it!
Very brave. Good work.
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Eager to see part two!
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