One trick I use when shooting CDNG on the old Blackmagic Production Camera 4k is to use a program called Slim Raw to get various compression ratios while saving a ton of space and keeping everything CNDG for a full grade later. Red’s RAW patents prevent any camera company from offering internal compressed raw without a license from Red. However, this doesn’t apply to desktop applications. You can compress RAW any way you like as long as it’s outside the camera and not run afoul of of Red’s patents. Thanks for your review, seems like the FP mights be a great little portable raw machine!
Cdng will always have better resolution resolved. That's why many people chose not to update their Blackmagic cameras. People who use bought fp wanted the best image possible not carrying about storage. I don't use slim raw cause i hate loosing time converting and compressing. I like to edit directly from ssd.
Thanks for video! As bmpcc4k owner I probably want to know the main differences btw them more and it will be interesting to hear from you so much. The image quality, ease of use, some cons and pros in work of each and etc... By the way I would like to thank you again for the great job and deep review!
Totally agree on all points. I almost switched to an FX30 last week but several of your points here were the same ones that kept me on my Sigma. There may come a time when I need the autofocus or different capabilities of another system…but for now I am super happy with such a small powerhouse that produces such beautiful images!
Absolutely wonderful review, THANKS! I loved the quick glimpse of the footage you shot, what lens were you using? Do you have links to any more films you have made specifically with the Fp?
I like this camera so much! The Image quality is superb, very flexible, colors are vibrant and true to life. In combination with Davinci Resolve it's a small beast))! Back in days when I mount magic lantern on canon 5d m3 to get DNGs I dreamed about a camera that shoots dngs in 4K, so Sigma FP is my dream camera too)))) Thanks for the video!
@@dark-californiait's only good for 1080p 14bit sibce its very stable and it has superb pixel binning. 1080p looks really good. The other modes aren't as reliable
WOW amazing work :))) What is the lens you used with the FP for those first street shots talking about how organic the camera looks? @0:13.... sooo good
Thanks for the info, enjoyed the video. Do you think is good enough to shoot travel vlogs with it? I like the small form factor (to walk around in different countries) and image. But not so sure about stabilization (maybe a gimble?). and autofocus.
Thank you so much for your kind words and support on the video! The Sigma FP might not be the best for travel vlogs because of the auto focus performance and the lack of in body image stabilization. Sony and Canon cameras might be the better options. Hope it helps!
all intra & gop are extremely good if you set the tone curve right, less highlights and more shadows, reduce - colors, -contrast & - sharpness, you get a finished video out of the fp, when the light is good, exposure is perfect (no reserves for overexposure, but for shadows at mov, gop) you will hardly notice the difference between raw & mov,)
The thing is you can't disable sharpness not even in color mode off. Cdng even with sharpness set to 0 have more detail than mov that have fake sharpening. I shot 8bit cdng just because sharpening and noise reduction can't be disabled in all intra and gop.
Thank you so much for your kind words and support on the video! We will try to do a comparison between the BMPCC4K and the Sigma FP, thank you so much for the suggestion!
12 bit colour info and the bitrate transfer is 3 times as much as black magic these are what makes this picture quality unbeatable that and the fact that CDNG is the most RAW format out there and it's the best for giving that film look but not looking to much like a digital clinical film. believe me working with CDNG as a colour grader in 2019 from a Black Magic mini ursa camera was just as good as working with Arri's raw format. It's definitely worth the purchase i just wished they would've kept it at £1500 now they've realised how popular this machine is they have raised the price to £1900 but its so still worth it for the rawest format out there.
Hey, thanks for the great video. Do you use a Color Space Transform Node to convert it from Blackmagic Design Colorspace to REC709? If yes, what do you select as "Input Color Space" and as "Input Gama"?
Happy sigma fp owner i tested this camera a lot and found out chosing blackmagic color in raw tab than using rec709 v2 lut would give me the best results possible.
Richmond B.C. in the house! I'll be getting my FP soon. Is there a FP group here in Richmond? I'm completely new and would like to learn off of other people.
What I do is transcode the CDNG to prores 4444 and keep That as my master. It’s like 1/3 of the CDNG file size. Just do the basic correction, white balance and 709 conversion and the 4444 file is very gradable and much easier to stir
Can you actually record 12-bit CDNG raw at 100 fps in FHD to an ssd? or the 100fps raw is at 8-bit? Does the sigma fp come with an OLPF and IR-cut filter? Thanks
i agree with most things, nice summary! What is the manual lens on your fp at 9:06? Also there will be no compressed raw, sigma said its impossible to do the raw processing in this small camera. i am looking forward to the new foveon camera they are working on and hope it will have video feature
Thank you so much for supporting the video! That’s a great question! It is a cine lens from 7Artisans, and the review video is coming soon! Stay tuned! Thank you so much for sharing your knowledge about the Sigma FP as well!
@@henrymediagroup I just looked it up and it appears to be a aps-c lens. Fullframe cinema lenses tend to be rather huge and that defeats the purpose of the fp for me, so im looking forward to your video! I only olhave the 45mm 2.8 Sigma and like you mentioned electronic focus is not great even with the FW update to linear focus.
You have very good eyes! It is an APSC lens! I’m excited to upload the review video for the 7Artisans lens too! Thank you so much for supporting the video!
I'm thinking of picking up the Sigma FP for the internal raw. Do you know how the 1080p raw is achieved? Whether it is pixel binning, line skipping or cropping the sensor resolution (I understand 4K is achieved with downsampling/supersampling so looks great).
raw is raw and never with a downsampling/supersampling. 1080p or 4K with the full sensor is always with line skipping. The best quality you can get in the sigma fp is 4K with an aps-c crop.
I’m sure you can downgrade the bmpcc 4K to firmware 5.1.0 and have access to recording CinemaDNG lossless, 3:1, 4:1 etc so what’s the difference then??
Great video, thank you. If you can, please let us know and share how good is the 12 Bit 1080p footage and how good it grades. Thank you so much, you're doing a great job!
Thank you so much for your kind words and support on the video! It means a lot to us! That's a great question! The 12-Bit Cinema DNG 1080P on the Sigma FP is amazing when it comes to color grading! It is a very strong codec for color grading, just not as sharp as 4K, color grading them seems very similar to us. Hope it helps!
Without an articulating string, shooting video without an external monitor seems pretty difficult. Unless you’re getting eye-level shots all the time which may not be very interesting
Hi! I don't know if you will answer or not. I recently bought a sigma fp and a samsung t5 ssd. But the write speed to the ssd drive stops at an indefinite moment and not randomly. I can record continuously for 23 min max, then even shorter segments. Why does this happen?
Internal compressed raw isn't possible due to RED's patent on the technology. Nikon right now is going to court against them over it. We all better hope Nikon wins.
The Sigma FP camera cage that we are using has no brand, but this one seems to be the same: amzn.to/3zWnn5D Hope it helps! Thank you so much for supporting the video!
As a blackmagic owner, and red owner also, im really underwhelmed by the IQ of this sensor, the shadows are just so muddy on every single video example ive seen. Looks so bad whilst everyone is saying the image quality is exceptional. I dare say Sony looks better, and I hate Sony. I dont get the hype on this at all. The exposure limitations for a full frame sensor in CDNG is unreally poor.
It's annoying to hear people harping on how much space the DNG's take up. Storage is cheap so who cares? That's what makes this camera so special, what gives it the "organic" quality you spoke of in the beginning. Who cares how much storage it takes up when ssd's like the t7 are so cheap? It's basically a meaningless complaint. It's a Lamborghini, so let it be what it is. I don't want better fuel mileage. If they gave you better fuel mileage that would take away the benefits of what made it so special to begin with. In that sense, there are no negatives and in return you're getting TRUE raw video for an affordable price, something no one else is offering. Cinema DNG gives you better colors and better out of the gate latitude that Prores Raw, shown here: ruclips.net/video/HHIH0_dOf2s/видео.html. What I've heard from another editor is it has much more flexibility in grading as well than Prores Raw, which makes sense given the vast amount of information that's there in comparison. So the very thing people harp about is what makes it so great and the downsides of storage capacity are mitigated by cheap storage, so there's no logical reason to bring it up. You can't do compressed raw with Red in town or they'll sue you. We'll see how that shakes up with Nikon's recent "victory" if you want to call it that. In the mean time, you have an affordable cinema camera that gives you insane amounts of information in a true pocket size. I've played around with Fp footage in Resolve and it is mindboggling how much information there is and the flexibility of it. I was able to bring up the shadows and it remained super clean, particular with some Resolve NR. This guy has some for download and I was truly blown away. I may have to swap out my A1 for it, ruclips.net/video/0JS7W7OJd8Y/видео.html.
I have been looking between getting the FP, the XH2S and the FX30 but the more I look. Into the fp the more I get swayed towards it despite being a fuji shooter
One trick I use when shooting CDNG on the old Blackmagic Production Camera 4k is to use a program called Slim Raw to get various compression ratios while saving a ton of space and keeping everything CNDG for a full grade later. Red’s RAW patents prevent any camera company from offering internal compressed raw without a license from Red. However, this doesn’t apply to desktop applications. You can compress RAW any way you like as long as it’s outside the camera and not run afoul of of Red’s patents. Thanks for your review, seems like the FP mights be a great little portable raw machine!
If those patents from RED ever expire I hope for a rivavel from CNDG. Down with prores RAW and Blackmagic RAW.
@@videotaperetro1126 In 3 years ...
Cdng will always have better resolution resolved. That's why many people chose not to update their Blackmagic cameras. People who use bought fp wanted the best image possible not carrying about storage. I don't use slim raw cause i hate loosing time converting and compressing. I like to edit directly from ssd.
@@smalldeekgeorgeits quite fast tho especially on apple silicon
I bought new pc for $1200 in it eats cndg files. Before that I was editing sigma fps 12 bit raw on $450 used pc. Davinci is very optimized!
Thanks for video! As bmpcc4k owner I probably want to know the main differences btw them more and it will be interesting to hear from you so much. The image quality, ease of use, some cons and pros in work of each and etc... By the way I would like to thank you again for the great job and deep review!
Dang man, you literally jumped right into business for this vid. Love it!
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Totally agree on all points. I almost switched to an FX30 last week but several of your points here were the same ones that kept me on my Sigma. There may come a time when I need the autofocus or different capabilities of another system…but for now I am super happy with such a small powerhouse that produces such beautiful images!
Thank you very much for this vid! This is exactly what I was looking for, for my upcoming film project.
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Very useful video and amazing color grading mate, nice job thanks !
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Will buy this beast soon! Thanks for the review🤘
You are very welcome! Good luck with the Sigma FP!
Absolutely wonderful review, THANKS! I loved the quick glimpse of the footage you shot, what lens were you using? Do you have links to any more films you have made specifically with the Fp?
Nice review! I’ll be picking up one of these.
Thank you so much for supporting the video! Have fun with your Sigma FP!
Very nice and organic images here in your video. Nice job!
Thank you so much for your kind words and support on the video! It means a lot to us!
Excellent video, lots of good information 👌🏾👌🏾
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Good show chap, I am juggling between the FP and bm6k
Great video. I'm going to buy a Sigma FP tomorrow
thank you for this review!
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brilliant video mate. subscribed
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Been seeing these Used/Like New for about $1100.. Thinking about it for sure !
Would be interesting to get your perspective on the Fp L.
thanks for the video 👏👏🙂
Thank you so much for your suggestion! We will try to get our hands on the Sigma FP L!
I like this camera so much! The Image quality is superb, very flexible, colors are vibrant and true to life. In combination with Davinci Resolve it's a small beast))! Back in days when I mount magic lantern on canon 5d m3 to get DNGs I dreamed about a camera that shoots dngs in 4K, so Sigma FP is my dream camera too))))
Thanks for the video!
Thank you so much for sharing your experience and supporting the video!
Was actually thinking to go 5D mark III with ML RAW
Do you prefer the Sima FP ?
@@dark-californiait's only good for 1080p 14bit sibce its very stable and it has superb pixel binning. 1080p looks really good. The other modes aren't as reliable
Your footage is amazing. An in-depth video detailing your entire workflow would be great to see
Thank you so much for your kind words and support on the video! We will try to work on video workflow tutorials, stay tuned!
@@henrymediagroup that would be amazing
Thank you for mentioning the micro HDMI. I use the original bmpcc for my interview setups and am fearful of using that particular port.
You are very welcome!
I’m picking one up over the next month
WOW amazing work :))) What is the lens you used with the FP for those first street shots talking about how organic the camera looks? @0:13.... sooo good
Looking forward to more fp videos
Thank you so much for supporting the video!
Thanks for this video. If this had prores internal recording, I would switch from my bmpcc4k in a heartbeat
Thank you so much for supporting the video! BMPCC4K is an amazing camera!
Any positive reviews of this great camera is welcome.
Thank you so much for supporting the video!
Thanks for the info, enjoyed the video. Do you think is good enough to shoot travel vlogs with it? I like the small form factor (to walk around in different countries) and image. But not so sure about stabilization (maybe a gimble?). and autofocus.
Thank you so much for your kind words and support on the video! The Sigma FP might not be the best for travel vlogs because of the auto focus performance and the lack of in body image stabilization. Sony and Canon cameras might be the better options. Hope it helps!
all intra & gop are extremely good if you set the tone curve right, less highlights and more shadows, reduce - colors, -contrast & - sharpness, you get a finished video out of the fp, when the light is good, exposure is perfect (no reserves for overexposure, but for shadows at mov, gop) you will hardly notice the difference between raw & mov,)
The thing is you can't disable sharpness not even in color mode off. Cdng even with sharpness set to 0 have more detail than mov that have fake sharpening. I shot 8bit cdng just because sharpening and noise reduction can't be disabled in all intra and gop.
Hey! Great review! Could you do one comparing the pocket 4K to the FP?
Thank you so much for your kind words and support on the video! We will try to do a comparison between the BMPCC4K and the Sigma FP, thank you so much for the suggestion!
12 bit colour info and the bitrate transfer is 3 times as much as black magic these are what makes this picture quality unbeatable that and the fact that CDNG is the most RAW format out there and it's the best for giving that film look but not looking to much like a digital clinical film. believe me working with CDNG as a colour grader in 2019 from a Black Magic mini ursa camera was just as good as working with Arri's raw format. It's definitely worth the purchase i just wished they would've kept it at £1500 now they've realised how popular this machine is they have raised the price to £1900 but its so still worth it for the rawest format out there.
Great video! Would love a color grading video from you for fp in resolve..?😊
Thank you so much for supporting the video! We will try to work on color grading tutorial videos soon, stay tuned!
Hello, you have a link for the cable? Thanks!
thank you great video..please tell how to stack Tiffen black promist with K&F Concept VND filter together on a lens?
One on top of the other 😂
Hello, do you have any problems with the squeaking of the ssd when taking pictures?
How do you think about Base ISO 640(@CDNG 8,10 bit)?
Does sigma fp & bmpcc4k colour match? Or could be matced easily?
Does image and color quality applies to stills as well from this camera?
Hey,
thanks for the great video.
Do you use a Color Space Transform Node to convert it from Blackmagic Design Colorspace to REC709?
If yes, what do you select as "Input Color Space" and as "Input Gama"?
Happy sigma fp owner i tested this camera a lot and found out chosing blackmagic color in raw tab than using rec709 v2 lut would give me the best results possible.
What lens were you using in the beginning footage?
Man, I am so torn. I keep going back and forth about this camera.
Richmond B.C. in the house! I'll be getting my FP soon. Is there a FP group here in Richmond? I'm completely new and would like to learn off of other people.
Very good eyes! Thank you for supporting the video!
As a newbie in the space, can someone explain why micro-USB breaks easily?
What I do is transcode the CDNG to prores 4444 and keep
That as my master. It’s like 1/3 of the CDNG file size. Just do the basic correction, white balance and 709 conversion and the 4444 file is very gradable and much easier to stir
Thank you so much for sharing your experience and knowledge!
Can you actually record 12-bit CDNG raw at 100 fps in FHD to an ssd? or the 100fps raw is at 8-bit? Does the sigma fp come with an OLPF and IR-cut filter? Thanks
I just got my Fp and can not find the grid view. Does it exist?
I have just bought sigma fp. And Front dial button is a bit loose. Is it normal or defect?
Why choose the fp over the fx3 for picture quality as each has 12 bit color
This camera is a dream (except the price😭). Great vid!
Thank you so much for your kind words and support on the video!
i agree with most things, nice summary! What is the manual lens on your fp at 9:06? Also there will be no compressed raw, sigma said its impossible to do the raw processing in this small camera. i am looking forward to the new foveon camera they are working on and hope it will have video feature
Thank you so much for supporting the video! That’s a great question! It is a cine lens from 7Artisans, and the review video is coming soon! Stay tuned! Thank you so much for sharing your knowledge about the Sigma FP as well!
@@henrymediagroup I just looked it up and it appears to be a aps-c lens. Fullframe cinema lenses tend to be rather huge and that defeats the purpose of the fp for me, so im looking forward to your video! I only olhave the 45mm 2.8 Sigma and like you mentioned electronic focus is not great even with the FW update to linear focus.
You have very good eyes! It is an APSC lens! I’m excited to upload the review video for the 7Artisans lens too! Thank you so much for supporting the video!
Do you have link for usb cable?
I'm thinking of picking up the Sigma FP for the internal raw. Do you know how the 1080p raw is achieved? Whether it is pixel binning, line skipping or cropping the sensor resolution (I understand 4K is achieved with downsampling/supersampling so looks great).
raw is raw and never with a downsampling/supersampling. 1080p or 4K with the full sensor is always with line skipping. The best quality you can get in the sigma fp is 4K with an aps-c crop.
Where did you get the hdmi clamp? Is it the smallrig one?
Yes, it is a SmallRig cable clamp, here is the link to the clamp:
amzn.to/3Q5KXCO
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I’m sure you can downgrade the bmpcc 4K to firmware 5.1.0 and have access to recording CinemaDNG lossless, 3:1, 4:1 etc so what’s the difference then??
What lense?
Great video, thank you. If you can, please let us know and share how good is the 12 Bit 1080p footage and how good it grades. Thank you so much, you're doing a great job!
Thank you so much for your kind words and support on the video! It means a lot to us! That's a great question! The 12-Bit Cinema DNG 1080P on the Sigma FP is amazing when it comes to color grading! It is a very strong codec for color grading, just not as sharp as 4K, color grading them seems very similar to us. Hope it helps!
@@henrymediagroup Thank you, that's great to hear. I appreciate it! This camera looks really good in many ways. Keep up the good job!
You are very welcome! Thank you so much for your kind support!
Without an articulating string, shooting video without an external monitor seems pretty difficult. Unless you’re getting eye-level shots all the time which may not be very interesting
can you shoot 10 bit 4k 60p in all i or long-gop?
No
Hi! I don't know if you will answer or not. I recently bought a sigma fp and a samsung t5 ssd. But the write speed to the ssd drive stops at an indefinite moment and not randomly. I can record continuously for 23 min max, then even shorter segments. Why does this happen?
He dont awnser
great channel,.. Bro !!... Can you pleas make a video on anamorphic with sigma fp please !! Thanks.....
No he wont
@@sergioknuf he will ,.. let hope for the best
Could you share your CST settings?
No
Internal compressed raw isn't possible due to RED's patent on the technology. Nikon right now is going to court against them over it. We all better hope Nikon wins.
If not the patent ends in 3 years I think ... ?
Whoa. That's wild
Doesn't BM have internal compressed braw?
-100 highlight and +100 shadows is a good way to rid yourself of all the tonality. In the inage
hi may i know what kind of cage you are using thanks 🙏
The Sigma FP camera cage that we are using has no brand, but this one seems to be the same:
amzn.to/3zWnn5D
Hope it helps! Thank you so much for supporting the video!
that link doesn’t work, just goes to an Amazon search… do you have a direct link? thanks!
It's ridiculous that they didn't include a micro HDMI cable that had locking screws built in like the VGA cables did.
Does the Samsung T7 work ?
The T7 has been known to be hit and miss. The Samsung T5 500gb version doesn't work either. Get the Samsung T5 1TB or 2TB.
I spy Downtown Vancouver 👀
You will never see compressed raw internally while RED have the patent. Otherwise, almost cameras would be doing it now.
As a blackmagic owner, and red owner also, im really underwhelmed by the IQ of this sensor, the shadows are just so muddy on every single video example ive seen. Looks so bad whilst everyone is saying the image quality is exceptional. I dare say Sony looks better, and I hate Sony. I dont get the hype on this at all. The exposure limitations for a full frame sensor in CDNG is unreally poor.
Ya but so is the bmpcc4k and now it's full frame so f the fp...it was my dream camera for awhile but it has to.msny flaws
It's annoying to hear people harping on how much space the DNG's take up. Storage is cheap so who cares? That's what makes this camera so special, what gives it the "organic" quality you spoke of in the beginning. Who cares how much storage it takes up when ssd's like the t7 are so cheap? It's basically a meaningless complaint. It's a Lamborghini, so let it be what it is. I don't want better fuel mileage. If they gave you better fuel mileage that would take away the benefits of what made it so special to begin with. In that sense, there are no negatives and in return you're getting TRUE raw video for an affordable price, something no one else is offering. Cinema DNG gives you better colors and better out of the gate latitude that Prores Raw, shown here: ruclips.net/video/HHIH0_dOf2s/видео.html. What I've heard from another editor is it has much more flexibility in grading as well than Prores Raw, which makes sense given the vast amount of information that's there in comparison. So the very thing people harp about is what makes it so great and the downsides of storage capacity are mitigated by cheap storage, so there's no logical reason to bring it up. You can't do compressed raw with Red in town or they'll sue you. We'll see how that shakes up with Nikon's recent "victory" if you want to call it that. In the mean time, you have an affordable cinema camera that gives you insane amounts of information in a true pocket size. I've played around with Fp footage in Resolve and it is mindboggling how much information there is and the flexibility of it. I was able to bring up the shadows and it remained super clean, particular with some Resolve NR. This guy has some for download and I was truly blown away. I may have to swap out my A1 for it, ruclips.net/video/0JS7W7OJd8Y/видео.html.
I have been looking between getting the FP, the XH2S and the FX30 but the more I look. Into the fp the more I get swayed towards it despite being a fuji shooter
Compressed raw at its base will not happen because red has a lock down on that patent.
Thank you so much for sharing your knowledge!
3 more years ... 😉
@@dark-california yes but potentially sooner if Nikon has some success
@@DisneyLovers_DL If, but if it's a case in Court in the US I don't think it will happen but never say never ... 🤷
good to see people enjoying cinema DNG.. lets see for how long we'll get it until RED sends a cease and desists letter to sigma.
No, shooting CDNG for personal and even professional use is straight up Ludacris. I'd gladly take a 10 bit compressed h.264/265 over prores any day.