as you exit the beginner phase of drawing, the only suggestion i have for you that works immensely for me is to finish full pieces. staying in a sketchy phase will help develop muscle and visual memory, but eventually the challenges in design of the project won't be as rewarding. there will def be times where you simply have to work on harder and harder projects, and *that's* where you'll really see results. excellent video, keep up the great work!
This is very interesting because so many people are saying that! Seems it really is the next step. This particular experiment is dedicated to studying using spaced repetition, but I have other experiments planned fkr the future and so will try to incorporate something project based for that. Thanks for your input, I truly value the opinion of more experienced artists 💖
@ArtZee-ch9nk I'm not sure of the exact number, but I make each book into a deck generally. I also did the same thing with some online courses so I actually have a bunch of decks but the ones I show in these videos are the main books/decks I currently study from.
I definitely disagree with this sentiment, especially if you keep with traditional art. There is nothing wrong with pushing to completed pieces, but drawing quicker sketches is immensely valuable. You can learn 20 lessons in 40 minutes where finishing a project over 3-4 hours isn’t going to give you nearly as many opportunities. Visual library and muscle memory is so much of your art. Style comes heavily from your tempo and shapes, which you don’t really overlap with rendering all that much. Obv both at important, what’s most important is doing what brings you the most joy, and gives you the energy and drive to work on what’s hard.
@@andrewm2475 Having spent a decade in art communities for beginners and intermediates, it is completely true that those who plateau the hardest, those who end up creatively frustrated and lost, are those who turned art into a daily practice of "the grind", where "grind" means drawing naked mannequin men and perspective/form exercises (and then eventually, value exercises, brush control exercises, etc). It is absolutely crucial that what fuels your art is the desire to create art _works_. Works that fulfill the desire to create something meaningful beyond technique. Technique needs to manifest around that need to create _"a something"_. There's this idea that with "sufficient technique" you can create anything and everything, and it may as well be true. This idea, however, leads people -- especially late teens and adults who pick up the craft -- into thinking that they should first gain "sufficient technique" so that they can then, and only then, have the creative freedom to decide what it is that they're actually making. This is a flawed view of being a creative worker. It is far more productive and creatively liberating to build technique for a specialized creative desire that is within you, rather than to develop generalist technique that serves no clear purpose. Creativity is a muscle and training creativity to serve your own ends should be trained from day one. Not from day 366. Yes your lack of technique will hinder your ability to make satisfying works -- and it can take a long time before you start feeling like technique is no obstacle -- but if you start training your creativity only after 'gaining technique', then you will, at best, find yourself frustrated at how much your art is lacking and, at worst, oblivious to the fact that your art is uninteresting because all you can see is that the art is 'technically good' (or even worse ' technically correct'). It may be true that spending 3-4 hours on one work will give you less measurable progress than 1 hour of fundies grinding, but if you stretch that project from 3 hours to 1 week or 1 month, working slowly at it little by little, complementing the process with those very same fundies studies you could do in 1 hour, then you'll train not only your eye and hand, but also your creative side. Then you'll be doing a head-in-a-box exercise not for the sake of a general skill of drawing heads in perspective, but rather in preparation to draw the best goddamn head in perspective for that one specific piece. You'll be doing compositions and designs studies and thumbnails, not for the sake of gaining the ability to compose great art in some distant future, but for the sake of building the best composition right now for the piece you're working on.
I've been drawing all my life and I realized that you've said a ton of things I've never talked about and never heard anyone else talk about. You've made me interested. I'm gonna get my drawing stuff back out to try this.
Yeah! Do it! I'm glad you found it helpful. I think that whatever you are learning, when you switch your mindset to a genuinely curious and investigative one, you make these sort of discoveries. Other, more professional artists already know them, but when you rediscover them for yourself they stick with you, and you find you jump up a skill level.
Yeah, it was a game changer for me. I spent so long just copying anatomy from books and then fumbling when trying to draw from imagination like the artists I admire. If you can learn to think in 3D terms, then suddenly drawing becomes far simpler! It doesn't take that long either!
This is amazing! You can really see the progress not just with the quality of lines but with how solid and 3d the forms look! Can't wait to see your next video about the books you use.
Thanks! That's kind of you to say. It takes me a while to make videos haha but hopefully I can continue to produce content that you find useful. Thank you for your support 💖
No, not a total beginner. I have covered this in my other videos, but I copied a lot of anime when I was younger and was really good at copying. When I tried to draw it from my head or make my own characters, I totally failed. So, I started to copy anatomy. When I tried to draw it without the reference, I totally failed! All I could do was copy. So I started looking at how to learn drawing from the ground up, perspective, and all that stuff. I found what were considered the best books on the subject and also got into neuroscience and learning how to learn. I tried using things like spaced repetition to mentally internalise some of the vast stuff out there related to drawing and just exploded in growth. This was around 3/4 years ago, maybe? I hadn't drawn for about 10 years before that. I decided a few months ago to really push myself to draw every day, and track the progress to help others learn too. Nobody else seems to have really used neuroscience like I have to learn drawing, so I started this channel. Painting I am a total beginner at. I have been learning that at the same time, and only started at Hour 0, so when I review that in the future, you will see how I have progressed from literally no experience. Thanks for watching!
@@10.000hrs Thanks so much for the detailed reply! I apologize, this video was from my algorithm, I had not seen your previous videos. I hope my comment didn't come off rude, I am genuinely amazed at your skill level, even with the context you've just given. I look forward to seeing your painting progress! Cheers 🙂
@10.000hrs your time spent learning sounds similar to me, except I always neglected the copying part. Before I really started practing hard, I had a pretty good sense of construction and anatomy in terms of what makes something look believabley 3d, but my proportions and overall measurements were always off. I still find myself having to shrink my characters' heads after I map out the rest of the body
Wow, your sense of proportions is really impressive for a beginner, you have great potential in that field. I cant wait when you start to learn the structure! My advise to you is to start to learn bones, it will be really deal breaker for you.
@lucid8302 Great point 👍 I'll have to start working in some stuff like that to apply what I am learning in new ways. I hadn't considered that before, so thank you!
That's because he was not a beginner at all. I have tried studying art almost for an entire year, doing gestures and exercises every day, at least 4-5 hours a day, and to this day, I cannot draw half as good as him. He either has put a LOT more than 100 hours before he started, or he's simply talented I guess.
@@_justnick Well your mistake is to do gesture, whatever youtube says you gestures are just helping with rhythm of the drawing. Just think of it, you dont draw details you dont think about details, you dont draw anatomy you dont think about anatomy, same with perspective and others . For beginners gesture literally give nothing, without gestures you can easily become an master. Do you think Da Vinchi even had an idea about gesture? Or Kim jung gi? Of course not. Learn do draw good perspective without sketches "just with intuition ", learn proportions, learn bones, learn then anatomy and oher stuff. All this bullshit with the boxes in perspective dont need to be your foundation" in your future of great master", your intuition need to be. And you level-up your intuition by drawing something from head 1 time perfectly " in different perspectives", just to know how it looks like and feels like. Use boxes in perspective as foundation for figure as helper in begin, then when you have problems with the figure and you cant figure it out, you can use this boxes or whatever method you have learned to help you. Use reference when only when you are not 100 percent sure what something is look like. Step by step you perfect every thing that you cant draw, and you become master in 10 years" with your time investment".
Hey! Just finished going through all of your videos :) Really cool to see someone else apply neuroscience principles to art! Now, as an art teacher myself, while in general I do agree that interleaving is the best way to go, I also found in my own practice in the past it would lead me to never have enough time to develop the right skill to take me a step further and make a specific painting i wanted to make. So, while working on fundamentals is good and necessary, I noticed that most people tend to quit out of boredom at some point, because they're not focused on getting the next skill that gives them the confidence boost to make the exact piece of art they want. So, to expedite this and make it more efficient, what I started doing with my mentees was having a set style/artist to use as a guide, and building the core skills off of that, producing finished (as much as the skill level allows) pieces rather often, to boost motivation and stay on track. Basically, having an even more specific goal allowed people to achieve it faster than "improving my drawing skills". Not because it works intrinsecally better (one could say it's less efficient), but because it puts them in a better mood that in turns allows for faster learning. Obviously the goal would evolve over time. I'll be following your journey! Curious to see how it goes :)
Thanks for your comment! That's really interesting, I love hearing from professionals, especially teachers. It does seem that this is quite a common thing. Quite a few people have mentioned it. I suppose it's just own to individual taste, but some people definitely seem to learn better by producing more finished works and improving based on that. I always felt like I just couldn't produce anything I was happy with and felt demotivated part way through. Doing quicker studies felt a bit easier for me because they were maybe like a lower investment. It's probably purely psychological, but just filling up my sketchbook made me happier. A lot of people are recommending doing more finished pieces though to practice more creative aspects, problem solving etc, so I think I need to bring that into it. Thanks again! I appreciate your support.
I'm not a total beginner, but all I was really good at before was copying. So I would copy anime and then when I tried to draw it from imagination I realised I couldn't do it. So I started copying anatomy from books and the same thing happened with that. I wanted to start learning again from scratch, with the goal of drawing from imagination, and discovered things like neuroscience and meta-learning, and started experimenting with those. In December last year I decided I wanted to commit to experimenting with it daily, and share the way I do things to hopefully help others. I think the thing to look at is the rate of progress in 100 hours, because that should be something anyone can recreate, from a complete beginner to someone who has been drawing for a while. Thanks for watching!
I think your video saved me completely from a “blockage” crisis. I find myself very much in your story and you put in order so many bricks in my head that couldn't fit together. I would like to ask you if you will ever make a video on how you study from books like Tom Fox's precisely to avoid copying without understanding, a small demonstration. I would be extremely grateful. You are truly an inspiration thank you for what you do
Well, thank you very much for your kind words. I feel very humbled by them! I am glad that the videos are helpful to people. A few people have asked for things like tutorials, so I will have to put something together at some point but it won't be for a while just because of time constraints. In the meantime, I would say that the most important thing when working from books like Tom Fox's is to: - really understand the lesson and what you want you want to practice this session That is why I make the cards generally contain a single page, or idea that spans a few pages. It limits and isolates my focus to one concept. - draw from life, references, the book, etc BUT after each sketch, try to draw the same thing from a different imagined viewpoint This forces you to ensure that you actually understand how the figure works in 3D, and I believe its this mental reassembling of something you have just studied that helps it stay in your head. If I am working on something like overlap, I will redraw the figure and really pay attention to that. Finally, that last point might actually be hard to do, and if it is, I think it generally means you need a better grasp on perspective, and how the body would work if made of simple boxes and cylinders. Hope that helps at least a little for now! Thanks again for your support 💖
This is very inspiring! I'm a beginner, so I'll go back to your other videos and see what I can apply. Keep going, I'll love to see where your approach takes you.
You know what’s wild? I had almost the exact same experience with how I hold a pencil in elementary school. The only difference is that I hold it with the tip of my thumb and first 3 fingers. I still write like this, but I’ve found the same thing in drawing. Sometimes it’s better to find a more fluid grip.
I'm glad it's now just me then! I have been told I write left-handed with my right hand as well, whatever that means. I think stuff like how you hold your tools often gets glossed over when following tutorials or learning, so I wanted to include it here.
This was a wonderful watch. It's really admirable watching you improve! It'll be interesting to watch how you overcome that plateau you mentioned once the 'noob gains' run dry. Can't wait to see more of your journey!
@@10.000hrs I have found that transitioning to longer-form projects/paintings is the logical next step. Are you interested in any subsect of art at the moment? Illustration/comics/concept etc?
Yeah for sure I am interested in illustration and comics. I might try something more project based soon. I have some future experiments lined up that might benefit from such a thing. It does seem to be what many people are recommending as the next step!
Haha thanks. Tom is awesome. He just drew for 10,000 hours and got that good. I reckon I can get there faster by using neuroscience to leverage a more efficient route. I'd like to be able to get to his level.
The looser pen grip helps to work more freely because you have a better view on what you're doing with your hand being out of the way. Also it helps with doing longer lines because you can better work from your arm rather than your wrist and also lots of illustrators have carpal tunnel syndrome from tight gripping the pen for 8 hours+ per day for years, so the loser grip helps with that too. The writing grip is great for smaller very focused details, loose grip is great for working the whole plane. I'd think the reason why the pen grip feels a little redundant to you rn is because you're working rather small. With drawings a few centimeters big and no relations to each other its technically already detail work, because you're only working a small section of a paper at a time. As a bonus for the loser grip, since you only really use it for drawing (its almost impossible to write with) it can help you get into the drawing zone quicker.
That's really useful to know! I do have a big pad of A2 sized paper I want to try drawing in soon and do think I have a bad habit of drawing small. I'll try and experiment with some larger work in the future. Appreciate the help! 🙏
Thank you for inspiring me, I've finally finished a couple anki decks but I'm new and still adjusting. Finished my first hour, I hope to see you at the end with a thousand more under my belt. Best of luck to you on your path, don't burn out. Keep that passion burning man.
This is very inspiring =] and it helps beginning artists like me visualize further progress so that I don't feel like I'm just groping around in the dark as I learn and advance in my skills
I am so glad you found it useful 💕 thank you for watching! Yes I agree, I groped around in the dark for years and never really improved beyond copying things.
This was really insightful to say the least. Im not really a beginner but i have a long way to go. Perspective is something I've really avoided learning up until a few weeks ago. And lately I've really started to feel negative effects of it. Like you said when drawing from imagination if you dont have a fundamental understanding of perspective it can really kill the drawing. So now im going back and learning all the basics.
Good for you. I was the same for a long time. The Scott Robertson book is so good for that because it chunks it up into bitesize steps that feed into one another. It makes perspective very easy to learn gradually. Once you have a few hours clocked up practising it, you should notice the difference. Best of luck with it friend!
Ballpoint being so final makes it more challenging, you need to commit to your drawing. The paper is the biggest hurdle, finding the best paper that lets you smoothly draw with a ballpoint is difficult.
For real. That's actually why I made the switch. I used to suffer from really scratchy, indecisive lines with pencil. I still suffer from it a little. I have a bunch of different sketch books to work through so maybe eventually I will find a good combination.
I have tried to guide many beginner artists to start with boxes and line exercises for a bit and then try to understand to proportion and practice gestures. I have improved through those steps, with less discipline and consistency though from yours though, wish more beginners realized how these things help a lot on the long run.
Thank you! I agree completely. The fundamentals are there for a reason, and can never be fully mastered. I really see whatever I do as drawing boxes, it's literally always in my mind, especially when working from imagination. I think the tendency as humans is to want to jump to the end right away and do 'harder' things, or copy finished paintings and hope to somehow learn that way. You cannot see the fundamentals and how they are being used in these pieces until you study them yourself.
Wonderful video, thank you for this insight! The section on XYZ space was especially eye opening for me, with drawing shapes in 2d and then aligning them in 3d
No problem! It was such a game changer for me and probably the most important thing I have worked on to date. It probably took about 6 months of daily practice for it to feel easy, and on tougher more complex forms, I still have trouble, but it unlocks the ability to draw anything from any angle. Thanks for watching 💕
100 hours in 4 months, judging from the upload date of the first video. 100 x 100 is 10,000. 4 months x 100 is 400 months which equals around 33 years for 10,000 hours!? Am I doing the math wrong? You're gonna be a better drawer than Kim Jung Gi if you keep this up!
You are correct haha. I hope to eventually be able to commit more than 1 hour a day. If I could get 3 hours a day in (morning/noon/night) then I could get there in 11 years!
Hey! No problem buddy, I am glad you continue to find the videos useful. I hope to continue to produce content that you find useful and inspiring 💖 thanks for your ongoing support
Yeah! Do it! I can only really do 1 hour a day because of things like work, but I think its really all you need. What matters most is that you can actually focus for that hour (2×30 mins I actually prefer, with a short 5 or 10min break inbetween). Also ensure that you practice things that will help you, like your weak points. What you practice is more important than how you practice.
It's a bit of a tough one really. If I share them, I will be sharing books illegally as they are produced by scanning the books, and I don't want to harm the artists. Secondly, I use the cards as a digital journal, and make notes on each one after a study session. As such the way I use the cards is sort of personal to me. It would be best for anyone who wanted to use Anki how I do to make their own cards, personal to them. Sorry that's kind of a lame answer. I might try and make some sort of more generic deck at some point, but it still would require people to make the cards their own, with their own notes Someone suggested making a deck from the content on Draw-a-box, so that might be worth a go.
I know people love spaced repetition and I did and still do as well. But having spent houndreds of hours learning languages, maths and other topics with combined at least 10.000 cards and burning out multiple times as well as burning out on art I think it's extremely important not to overengineer the process. SRS optimizes for maximal retainment or minimal forgetting of atomic information, which is critically different from learning something deeply and integrated. It should only be a building block, not the entire solution. I think learning iteratively and improving atomically with a focus on the fundamentals is the best way to learn any skill. But you must combine it with curiosity and play. Find the thing that attracts you towards your subject and let it guide you. Also having great teachers, which are people who have the rare combination of both passion and skill for both their field and teaching, is a humane way to optimize the process. Nonetheless I like the way you extracted exercises for yourself. Repeating them to drill in the fundamentals is invaluable.
Thank you for your very informative comment. It's so interesting how many more experienced people are emphasising the need to sort of play more and be creative, so that's definitely something I am going to bring in. I still very much feel like I am grappling with fundamentals at the moment, but I will try to branch out and seek new challenges.
Yep, it's from How to Draw by Scott Robertson, and it's widely considered the best book for learning to draw from imagination. I practice it on a regular basis.
I could, but honestly I am doing it as an exercise from a book, so you might as well just grab the book! It's called 'How to Draw' by Scott Robertson, and it contains all the steps to get you upto that point, as well as the steps beyond it, such as using that XYZ drawing to make cars and planes. It's probably better than any tutorial I could ever make.
Also, Draw a Box is a free online learning tool that you can use for this. You can even have your work critiqued, either free, or by joining a Patreon.
Oddly enough as so,embody who has been trying to learn perspective and is a self taught artist that you can only ever see 3 sides of the cube things made something click so hard, that’s going to help me so so much funny how such a simple thing can just open a new door like that. Thank you
No problem! Ah I was the same my friend. These little discoveries are awesome because they really stay embedded in the mind. Sometimes you just need someone to say something in a certain way to make it click. Glad I could help!
Hey man, I'm really happy I stumbled upon your channel. I've been working as a professional artist for many years but feel like my skills have stagnated. I've been wanting to get back into practicing drawing and painting but have been struggling with finding the time and not really knowing which fundamental to start with. Listening to you talk about how you approach practicing drawing is very inspiring and feels like a breath of fresh air. I'll definitely be looking into the anki system. Do you have a community? for example a discord channel? would be cool to draw and grow together. Looking forward for more content!
Glad you found it inspiring my friend! At the moment, there is not a discord channel, but I do intend to create one soon and will announce it when it happens! Lots of people have asked for it so it needs to happen but I want to make sure I set things up properly so it'll be a lil while longer... Thanks for watching! 💓
My favorite pens are the clear plastic ink pens from MUJI, a Japanese design store...there's just something about the line they create that makes it so appealing to use and to look at.
Like the other commenter said; how did you gain such a great sense of proportion? I know its something you develop over time but lets say I want to deliberately practice that, how would i do it effectively?
This is a weird one because really there are 2 types of drawing - from reference, and imagination. Both are actually useful to have practiced, but my main goal is drawing from imagination, so I work more on that. If you only care about drawing from reference, then you can think about line length, angles of lines relative to each other, and points where lines intersect. To practice that, I suggest looking up Bargue Drawing, and it's really just measuring, and then transferring measurements to paper. Drawing from imagination is harder, because the sense of proportion has to be understood before you can draw your subject. For that, I suggest thinking about and studying the proportions in 2 dimensions from the front, top, and side, much I like in the XYZ section of this video. Using the skull as an example, I know it fits inside a rectangle which is typically taller than wide. In 3d terms, just draw a box with those proportions, and make it thinner in depth. You then have a volume correctly propotioned, to draw the head into. It takes a while to internalise the proportions, and I often make mistakes, but it's just about simplification. That is why I draw in 2D first when learning. If I draw a motorcycle, the wheels are always 1.5 wheel widths apart in side view. If I draw a flat plane in 3D with that marked out, it's just a case of filling in the blanks and creating volumes where the marks indicate. Hope that helps! I will try to make a video at some point that explains it perhaps.
Weird to come across this today, I've started a similar journey. Where I have landed is that I need to understand perspective and gesture before I even think about anatomy or facial structure
Glad you found the video useful! Thanks for watching, and I wish you the very best of luck on your journey ✨️ I think having a solid grasp of perspective in particular really sets you down a good path, especially if you want to draw from imagination
Your results are amazing. I'd highly suggest listening to the "if books could kill" podcast episode on outliers and the author who coined the 10,000 rule. Many have talked about it, but basically some people need much less than 10000 hours to be a master at something and others much more, as the research baking his claims is quite shoddy. the 10000 rule is more a sensational marketable quote than a fact.
Thanks for sharing! I haven't heard of that podcast before but it sounds good. I too believe it to be more of a guideline than a rule. I also believe that if others have achieved a task before you, then you can leverage their experience to get there faster than they did, which is what I try to do! Thanks for watching and for the support 💗
Thanks! I'm not a total beginner, but all I really did before was copy drawings like anime and manga. I got really good at copying, but couldn't draw anything from my head. This experiment was the result of trying to get good at drawing from imagination.
100 hours of drawing will look unique to each individual. We expand our visual library as we age, travel, experience the world around us. When you draw what you see, you're not just drawing on paper or whatever medium, you are etching the visual straight in your memory thus adding it to the library. When you draw from imagination, you contribute to world being experienced by other people. The fastest way of learning drawing for beginners is a technique called LUCIDA. There are mobile apps for this. You basically trace. When a beginner traces images, they gain confidence that they too can produce good work, they get used to the mechanical aspect of drawing, and more importantly, they don't get disappointed with un appealing drawings. Like in any other field of study. Confidence is crucial to gain first. Ironically, lucida was used by classical masters to produce their best work, and our generation is lead to believe a kind of mastery where tracing is seen as cheating.
i have a lot of recs for pens, especially brush pens! tombow dual tip grey and black dual pen (these have many names online but its a two in one grey and black brush pen. i like to use the grey side to sketch and the black side to refine sketches) pentel pocket brush - refillable pigement based version of pentel colour brush uni pin brush uni pin fineliners - these are pigment based tombow fudenosuke pens - i prefer the blue one which is more firm pentel touch sign brush pens faber castell pit artist fude nib hard - pigment based zebra sign pen (i like the grey one the most, the blue one is firm with black ink, silver is black ink and softer firmer and dark grey is soft with black ink) wh smith fineliners wh smith brush pens sakura pigma markers - they are refillable and pigment based. they also come in a range of finliner sizes and one brush size as well zebra sign pen artxx brush paint pens, good for adding colour tempera paint pens are good for mark making, filling pages with colour and for work larger at about a1 size they'd be good for sketching with
Wow! This is an amazing list! Thank you so much! I will definitely do some research into those. Can I ask what sort of paper you normally draw on with some of these?
@@10.000hrs np! i mainly use these on cartridge paper and card, most of the pens work on simple printer copy paper as well but i haven't tried the paint pens or the tempera on copy paper.
this is a really cool challenge! later in the challenge would you consider studying art styles that are not 3D, such as orthodox style art? or styles that combine 2D and 3D, like art nouveau? or all hours are dedicated to this?
Good question! As an experiment this is more focused on the actual training methods and content as opposed to style, but as it develops and I (hopefully) improve further, I should think I will begin looking at style more. I'll be expanding the experiment in the near future to try a few new things, so style might be something to bring in then.
I can't share the ones I have made that feature book scans because that's piracy, and also because I use the cards as digital journal pages that I update each time I practice a card, it's not really practical. Part of this training is making your own notes. That being said a lot of people want to a deck to try this with, so I hope to produce one that people will be able to use soon. Thanks for your interest!
You sure can! I use reference yes, usually from the timer tool on Proko, or Pinterest. If I am working on something like anatomy or figure drawing, I tend to draw the figure from reference, and then draw it from another angle, using my imagination. This forces me to understand how the forms of the figure actually work in 3D. The same thing can be done for cars, robots, whatever you want. So we want to use reference, but also always be moving away from using it.
I will be creating one in the near future so thanks for the interest. I want to male it really useful and well structured and tie it in with some other plans I have for the channel, but it's in the pipeline!
Thanks! I am glad you enjoyed it. The references come from Proko, where I use the timer tool to practice. I currently draw a referenced figure from there and then I try to draw the same figure, from an imaginary view point. I find this forces me to really consider the figure as three dimensional and how its volumes work in perspective, and it acts as a bridge to hopefully make drawing from imagination a lot easier. Some of the drawings in this video are totally from imagination. I always try to work like this even when learning something like anatomy, because I have found that just copying makes you good at copying, but I could never draw from imagination.
What do you study from the books though? I feel like perspective and everything is just something you get better at as your practice. Flash cards don’t change anything?
You are right. But it's more like HOW I practice. Its deliberate practice. It's how I learned perspective, and how I learn new concepts like colour temperature or specific anatomy. This is a hard question to answer in a comment but essentially yes, you are correct, flash cards are more for learning things like Japanese vocabulary or capital cities. This is known as declarative learning. Art is procedural learning and so it's a case of practice makes perfect. I have been experimenting with using a computer program for declarative learning to learn procedural skills like art. I treat each card as a digital journal page so that I can learn a new concept within the field of art, and as my understanding of a subject grows, I can push it further. The program tells me when I will be getting rusty because it uses an algorithm mapped to my personal knowledge retention rate to ensure the thing I practice every day is the thing I probably need to sharpen up on. This is called Spaced Repetition Learning. It's not a perfect system, and I have only anecdotal scientific evidence that it works for learning art, but many people have commented saying they have found it useful. As I get better at perspective or drawing the foot, I practice that thing less. I have a video on it if you want to learn more, and it's honestly a method which won't be for everyone, but it's how I got to this point. It has focused me and given me specific things to study every day.
@@10.000hrs so essentially. It’s not really about the information on the cards itself. More about a reminder to practice what’s on the card? Sorry, I’ve watched the all your videos, and it seems interesting, it just kinda didn’t make sense to me.
@KronoXP Yes. The program is really just a scheduler. This makes my training more efficient. This tells me what to practice and when. The cards are from books so that should be giving me a logical progression of study to go from say drawing lines to boxes to cars. You do of course get better over time with things like perspective, but deliberate practice at least initially should get you to be able to perform better, faster. Its just that before, I would kind of sit down and doodle for a while or copy mindlessly from an anatomy book, and never ever made progress that way. Thanks for watching so far. If there's anything else I can help with feel free to let me know.
very nice, i recently switched from pen to 2mm mechanical pencil and then pen or fineliner. very forgiving suddenly using a pencil after using ink so long
I'll have to try that! The reason I jumped to pen was actually because my lines were very unconfident and scratchy. Pen forced me to draw the line as a single bold stroke, and it has helped clean my work up quite a lot.
Thank you very much! I only study for 1 hour a day, so it's a bit more manageable. Usually in the evenings. I would probably do more if I had time but I do not believe in studying for hours and hours every day. Little and often actually seems to produce better results, at least for me personally.
A bunch of books that I scanned and turned into cards for a spaced repetition learning program! When I do figure drawing I use Proko's timer tool for references, or Pinterest for things like still life references. My next long form video, which should be out in a week or two, will cover all the books in detail. Thanks for watching! I am so pleased you enjoyed it!
Sorry for the late comment but, did you have anything to distract you? Were you listening to videos/music whenever you draw? I want to try doing this but the silence always unmotivates me This is awesome though!
Thanks! I am glad it helped. Personally, I don't listen to anything, and actually concentrate really hard 😅 that's why I do 30 mins, take a 10 min break, then do another 30 mins. This isn't really fun relaxing drawing but more like a super concentrated focus session every time. So you can't go for too long. That being said, everyone is different, and I have read studies that demonstrated some individuals retaining more knowledge when listening to music, particularly classical music, so that might carry over into this type of practice. I think the general consensus was that music with lyrics might not be great, but that instrumental music is okay. I would say do whatever makes you feel good. If music helps you, then listen to whatever you want. I also read some interesting stuff on things like binaural beats, but I don't think it's proven that they can improve your performance. Probably wouldn't hurt you to listen to them if you chose to, though. Thanks for watching, and good luck with your studies! 💖
This is so amazing because this shoes that this can apply to ANYTHING in life! Unfortunately I have so many hobbies that this could apply to that i just would have no social life and no girlfriend 😂 Also, more importantly, CAN WE GET ACCESS TO YOUR ANKI?!
I think it applies to pretty much everything. I use it for a lot of things, and have found it very intriguing. Physical, procedural skills like art and sports are the hardest to learn, but it ultimately just amounts to repetition, and good critical analysis of what you are doing to better direct your efforts next time. For just memorising facts, this is the absolute ultimate learning method. You could memorise an entire language very easily. Lots of people ask for the cards, but because they are book scans, it's kind of illegal to share them, but I am making my own deck, basically distilling everything in them, available for free later this year. It's going to take a while to make but I want to get it correct. There will also be a discord server for people to train together ❤️
@10.000hrs What I’ve taken from your approach is the idea that art is a skill requiring mastery of various elements. By creating Anki cards for each aspect, I can practice, evaluate what’s lacking in a piece (e.g., perspective), drill that specific skill, and repeat the process to improve each time Ah, I kind of figured that was the case, but I’m really glad to hear that seeing an Anki deck in your style is still on the cards-no pun intended!
Thanks! The decks are book scan, so I can't really put them out legally. Also, because I use the cards as digital notes/ journal pages, they are really written for me. Part of this method is really making your own notes for you. That being said, so many people seem curious to try this that I might look into making a deck I can share that covers the same sort of concepts without plagiarising anybody or committing piracy! Thanks for your interest, I appreciate your support.
My next check in at 200 hours will cover this, probably be a video I put out around late July, maybe August. In the meantime, the book I use to learn digital painting from is called Colour and Light by 3D Total. It has some good drills for learning concepts like colour temperature, exposure etc.
I really enjoyed watching all of your videos so far and started my own anki deck with the "drawbox lessions" to try out if anki is for me. What i did not understand in your last video about getting anki ready is when you finished adding a deck, how to start the study? I did so, set the new cards to zero and I don't have any new cards to study. Maybe it's just me and I did something wrong when I did the deck. Anyway: thanks for sharing your progress, you made a lot! I am really happy to see that. you studied with only two books so far? I have "how to draw", too and honestly I wasnt able to do anything or read the book at all - which is why I am so happy i found your channel, at least you are working through the book itself, which is more than I have done. I have a question though: you read the book and do challenges, which is why you habe so many "gesture and pose" studies, I guess? So for example, in the book drawing form and pose (i have that, too) you have the x,y & z page and you do a challenge, thats correct so far? can you share what challenges you do? or how you get your own ideas, to give a few examples? that would be great and an awesome inspiration for myself. I struggle with giving myself homework, so a bit more insight would be awesome!
That's great! It's something to experiment with for sure. You have to set new cards to 1, so that 1 new card a day will appear. As you will see in the future, if you leave it set to 1, eventually you will just get a backlog, but for a little while you might be okay leaving it set to 1. Just remember you can set it 0 to stop the flow of new cards every day! The anki documentation is pretty good and can probably explain it better than I can in a comment, but it sounds like you have new cards set to 0, so none show. Set it to 1 anytime you want to study a new card. I share the art I practice each day as a daily short video here on RUclips, and the description of each contains info on the card for that day, which will give a little insight. You are correct, I treat each page as a chunk, that contains information I should know. We want to turn the 'lesson' it teaches into the challenge for that card. To make the challenges, I consider carefully what the author is trying to teach. It's generally a single concept, like overlap, or how the jawbone looks from different angles or something. I base the challenge on that. It's probably best for you to make your own challenges based on what you read from the book, because you might interpret it differently to me! Some books like How to Draw are far easier to make challenges for, because it literally just gives you instructions to follow! Thanks for your support, I hope that helps and if there is anything else I can do for you let me know 💖
@@10.000hrs Thanks for answering, this helped a lot (and I will check out your shorts, I am just not a big fan of them so I didn't look for those, sorry). I started with drawing form & pose and that one is an easy book, too. Because for each page (or two) you can make easy challenges/homework, like for overlap "draw 10 poses and emphasise the overlap and mark it for better understanding (and observing where overlap happens in real life) so... This was really helpful. I hope this way will help me study art better. Because I have the problem I just sit down for a few hours a day but never get back to learning more (or reading a book past the first chapter) than once a week or even a month. So hopefully with Anki and it's scheduling for me I can get the reps in, to use a gym metapher (lol). Thanks for the tip in trying out one new card per day and look where it's going, that is smart. Thanks. I am not used to use anki, because I have to make my own cards and I am relativly bad in learning for myself without anyone guiding me, so the combination in using books I have anyway is SO GOOD. thank you again for sharing and explaining it so well (you did good, I didn't listen enough). Thank you, really.
I don't know if you can answer this question but I wanted to ask how you overcame the abundance of resources that are very accessible nowadays. I'm a perfectionist and have a problem of always getting started on something and always end up feeling overwhelmed by all the resources out there. I'm always planning what I should do but never actually getting started, do you have any advice?
The next video I post should help with this a bit, as it's about the resources I use, and how to find the most suitable ones. There is a lot out there, and everyone learns differently, so you might want to spend a bit of time experimenting with books or courses to see what works best for you personally. I prefer books myself. Next I would say have a clear destination in mind for what you want to achieve. Can you find 3 artists or pieces of work that really sum up exactly what you want your own work to look like? From there, you can sort of work backwards and figure out what skills you need to take you there, and find resources that will help you get there. For example, if you want to paint portraits, then you don't actually need to spend a lot of time studying things like perspective, but you would spend more time on observational drawing. If you want to draw cars from imagination, then you need a far more detailed understanding of perspective, and might not even need to do much observational drawing, and you wouldn't need any anatomy. I want to be able to draw and paint from my imagination, which is about the hardest thing you can ever achieve in art, so I broke down what I needed into what I call skill pillars, and then found the best resources to help me learn them all. My other videos cover this and I'll post more in the future. I made a clear pathway to follow. From there, its just about being brave, taking action, and starting! I do 1 hour a day, no more. That's sort of a general overview of what I did when I was in your position, but if I can offer any more specific help, please ask! One final thing - I am a perfectionist too, but I have found that when learning to paint and draw, embracing mistakes is essential. The learning process is literally making mistakes repeatedly, and trying to make your next attempt a little better. Sometimes you do okay, sometimes not so much, but over time the progress is made. Art is a good way to learn to let go of perfectionism and just have fun! You don't have to show anyone the mistakes or work you feel is 'bad' so treat your art as an experiment, and don't be afraid to make mistakes! Thanks for watching 💕
@@10.000hrsI initially wrote a reply but I think I forgot to send it 😭. But to paraphrase, there are definitely times where I am scared of making "bad" drawings but I know I have to accept that and get better at enduring it. I am currently doing drawabox paired with How to Draw by Scott Robertson since I mainly want to learn how to draw for a video game passion project I'll be making in the future. Anyhow, thank you for the advice and I'll make sure to ask if there is anything you can help me with or reply if there are things I forgot to tell you. But yea, just being frozen in fear for the sake of wanting to draw well is definitely my biggest problem when I should be drawing for the fun of it instead of always instensively focusing on the fundamentals. Thanks again!
Some is from reference. At the moment I tend to draw a pose or other subject from reference, and then imagine the same pose from another camera angle and draw it from imagination. This forces me to think about everything as 3D forms and in perspective. For figures I use Proko for references, where you can get packs of hundreds of photos for fairly cheap. I use Pinterest for other things like props or vehicles. Thanks for watching! 💕
Hey man, I am making a video about learning to paint, I shared the diagram of the general concepts and nichees and gave you a shout out. Hope thats ok! btw AMAZING progression! I am blown away! Cheers
Thanks friend! Appreciate the shout out. You're welcome to use anything I make however you want. I admire those who have a genuine passion to help others, much like yourself 💖
Some are. What I tend to do at the moment is use the timer tool on Proko to draw a figure or two from reference, and then draw the same figure from an imaginary viewpoint. I find that is a good bridge to get into drawing from imagination. Some of the faces and figures are totally from imagination, and usually they are not as accurate, and the lines will probably look a little more scratchy as I am not as confident in creating them.
And so you should be. That's a fantastic achievement. Well done! I only train for 1 hour a day currently, but I hope to find time to put a little more time in each day at some point in the future.
These kinds of channels pop up every trimester or so and bring in absolutely nothing new. Peak of "Mount Stupid" Dunning-Kruger. Why do you even attempt to teach if you have no clue what you're doing? The obvious answer is because it feels good. The value you feel in preaching to others with no experience or knowledge will do you no good if you actually care about any of this and it isn't just hubris. I'm a lone voice yelling at walls over and over but it is really disappointing to see curiosity for draftsmanship used as a cheap scapegoat for farming engagement and revenue. How long until you start promoting courses and selling "cheat sheets"?
I appreciate your frustration, but this channel represents nothing more than an experiment in learning and developing skills. I'm just sharing what I learn because some people find it useful. I'm not an expert, and the fact that I am in the same boat as all the other amateurs seems to be what people relate most to. I have no intention of selling anything via this channel, and I don't work with any sponsors or promote any products.
Ah thanks so much! I just do a little every day, but make sure that little amount is quite focused and that i am actively engaged with the subject matter. Over time, it just builds up. Thanks for checking out the videos and I am glad you enjoyed them 💕
I wonder what will happen when you pass 1000h... You already have a better understanding of anatomy, proportions and perspective than a lot of artists that consider themselves intermediaries in those 100h, even though you're not a total beginner as you said in other videos. I'm actually more impressed in your discipline than the progress itself. After seeing your first video I thought "huh, this is quite interesting, I might give it a try". Downloaded Anki and pretty much gave up in the first day because not only the method requires a LOT of effort in the preparation phase (which kinda demotivate me) but also the interface of Anki is... well... garbage imo (and I'm a Mac user (the interface is slightly better than the Windows version)). So yeah, I think is incredible that you have the patience to do the prep phase, the patience to use Anki and the patience to pretty much record almost everything that you did and do. I will look forward to see how much further you will go with your journey, so keep it up, you're doing great!
Haha, thanks, that's really nice of you to say. It is an acquired taste for sure, and the interface is not the best. I have some other videos in the pipeline that will show alternate methods of study that require no Anki. Maybe they will be more useful. A lot of what I do is just experimenting to see what works for me. Thank you for all your support so far!
This video seems like a brilliant way to help improve the drawing skills of people who come from more technical backgrounds. I really like the way the constructions are broken down and built back up, rather than simply copying something else like you mentioned in another comment!
Thank you! I hope so. Its not for everyone and some people have said they feel art should be more expressive and less technical than I make it, but it's how I learn things, and a lot of people seem to have resonated with it. Thanks for watching 🙏
@@10.000hrs Of course! Different approaches for different people, naturally. As someone more technically minded myself, I can't wait for the next video!
So glad I found this video. I hope to draw like Kim in 15-20 years from now. I'm making noticeable progress towards this goal. Videos like this remind me to keep going
Noah, hi, for some reason it's not letting me respond on the other thread. I had said that I don't have an online presence, but I'd be great if we could share our art through discord. Alternatively, if you have any online presence, I'd be happy to check out your art and see your progress!
KJG is the one that inspired me to start a similar project to 10,000hrs. I saw an interview with him where he said he can draw vehicles from memory because he would spend a lot of time drawing the same vehicles over and over. So he believed that he essentially crystalized the forms of these vehicles into his long-term memory. I believe with SR you might be able to achieve similar results.
Excuse me, but you just merged the two of my favorite topics. I honestly never thought that you can use neuroscience to learn art! Your video is amazing and it turned out super interesting! Now I really want to check out other videos you’ve made. Also, your art is amazing! I always wanted to draw like you do
Ah thanks that's really nice of you to say. Its all a big experiment really but I think it has helped me, and I want to share it in case it helps others. I appreciate your support and hope I can continue to make content you find value in 💖
How did you go about applying Scott Robert sons book to your practice? I’ve been reading it but I’ve been finding it really difficult to apply although I can grasp a lot of the topics in the early chapters
I actually drill a lot of the exercises mentioned in the book on a regular basis, especially the ones about drawing in XYZ sections. What I tend to do atm is head over to Pinterest and find a cool vinyl toy or object I like and draw it from different imagined angles. I tend to start by drawing it in flat, 2 dimensions from the front, side and above view, then I construct a box of the right proportions and draw the planes, with those 2d images on, like he does in the book. I then join up the volumes with a silhouette. This is also exactly the same as he demonstrates in the book. Then I try to draw the object from imagined viewpoints without the guides! Hard mode. When I draw figures I think of the head, torso and pelvis as boxes and that forces me to place the figure in 3D perspective. Hope that helps!
Really good video. I used to be able to draw very good a long time ago but ive been struggling. This video reminded me of the knowledge I used to have. Thank you!
This is 100 hours of trying to improve at drawing using spaced repetition. It is not my first 100 hours of drawing as a complete beginner. I posted a clip of all 100 hours over 100 days in my shorts feed, so you can go see the progress if you like. I have been drawing on and off for years, but all I ever did was copy anime and stuff. This is me trying to learn to draw from imagination, which I could never do. Still can't do it, but better than I was and getting better every day.
Thank you for sharing your experiences. I have watched all your videos and I am very eager to see your future videos. I have also been drawing on and off all of my life and have been frustrated with the lack of ability to demonstrate new skills without reference even with practice. I yearned for a roadmap or specific exercises I can do, but most advice falls short with the generalized "just draw" and "fundamentals". While those are true, I think having specific exercises and drills allows me to believe the practice is not for naught and will produce fruits. I will take inspiration from these methods by attempting to make a looser strategy for spaced repetition: instead of creating hundreds of cards to study specific book pages, I will attempt to create a few topics to study (e.g. value, color, form, etc) that I will revisit. Each topic will contain a list of exercises I can choose to do (e.g. "create a value study of a landscape", "sketch an orthographic view of a complex item", etc). These topics will rotate every so often like block scheduling. I hope this modification would lower the overhead of the process and allow deviation for the sake of fun. On a separate note, as a woodcarver, I appreciate the comment about creating a side, front, and top profile helps you create 3D images in space, as that is the exact principle I use in carving to block out shapes. I appreciate your insights on the topic and eager to hear more.
Thanks for watching! It sounds like you experienced exactly what I did. I do believe this sort of more logical and structured approach helps, but it won't be for everyone. Your approach actually sounds better than mine because it's been streamlined, so definitely go with that! A lot of this has been about experimenting and finding what works best for me personally, and I expect that to be the same for anyone else who tries it. By being engaged in our learning, we continually improve and refine it. Good luck with it all! I hope to create more videos in the future that people will find valuable 🙏
How do you avoid plateauing? This book talks about reaching new plateaus, I believe the name of the book is. The Art of Learning An Inner Journey to Optimal Performance By: Josh Waitzkin. "“Of course there were plateaus, periods when my results leveled off while I internalized the information necessary for my next growth spurt, but I didn’t mind.” ― Josh Waitzkin, The Art of Learning: A Journey in the Pursuit of Excellence" They may have changed the title.
That's a good book! Plateus are a natural part of learning, so they are not really possible to avoid as such. I am still trying to figure out the best way to deal with them myself, but from experience I would say: - revisit and refresh what you are trying to do This is to make sure you are still on the right track for whatever you are trying to achieve, as the goal can take on a new definition as you grow - mix things up It may be that you have to try and approach your practice from a different perspective, trying new ways to achieve your goals - take a break This is surprisingly effective! Stopping your practice for a while (I have gone as long as 2 weeks) gives your subconscious time to process things, and you tend to come back stronger! I am not an expert, but I have found those points have worked for me, and so hopefully there is something for useful for you there. Thank you for your support!
@@10.000hrs, thank you for the advice, but since I'm taking an oil painting course, I'm only allowed to do what they tell me to do, it's not until I get to the last block that every other painting I get to do what I want to do.
@ravenshadowz2343 oh I see! Well, the teachers there should hopefully be able to offer you some guidance as well. If you are quite new to painting you might not plateau for a while anyway. In the beginning phase of learning you always make the most progress. Good luck with your course! I wish you every success!
Hi, i watched the entire video hoping to learn how neuroscience can be applied in art, as i am also an artist. Nada, didn't see anything neuro related, why torture us with extreme click bait?
Sorry you had a negative experience with this video. This is more of a review of what I have learned so far using some neuroscience/ meta-learning approaches to skill acquisition. The videos that cover the actual approach are separate to this, as it takes quite a while to explain. To save you watching, though, for the experiment so far: - I use spaced repetition learning to regularly review information I am trying to internalise - this is managed through a computer program called Anki that schedules the learning for me via flash cards, and tells me what to practice every day - I draw or paint for 30 mins, take a 10 min break, then do another 30 mins and post an excerpt of the session every day here on RUclips - the 'training' consists of essential, generalised art lessons that I created flash cards for based on what are supposedly the best art books on the market The end result is that after an initial bout of learning and reviewing something regularly, like drawing the thumb, I can practice it less and less over time because my brain memorizes it. This concept is proven for things like languages but has not been proving for art, so that's what I am testing! I have some other approaches that are designed for rapid knowledge acquisition that I will make videos for in the future. I appreciate you watching and commenting your honest thoughts 💖
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as you exit the beginner phase of drawing, the only suggestion i have for you that works immensely for me is to finish full pieces. staying in a sketchy phase will help develop muscle and visual memory, but eventually the challenges in design of the project won't be as rewarding. there will def be times where you simply have to work on harder and harder projects, and *that's* where you'll really see results. excellent video, keep up the great work!
This is very interesting because so many people are saying that! Seems it really is the next step.
This particular experiment is dedicated to studying using spaced repetition, but I have other experiments planned fkr the future and so will try to incorporate something project based for that.
Thanks for your input, I truly value the opinion of more experienced artists 💖
How many anki decks did you make?
@ArtZee-ch9nk I'm not sure of the exact number, but I make each book into a deck generally. I also did the same thing with some online courses so I actually have a bunch of decks but the ones I show in these videos are the main books/decks I currently study from.
I definitely disagree with this sentiment, especially if you keep with traditional art. There is nothing wrong with pushing to completed pieces, but drawing quicker sketches is immensely valuable.
You can learn 20 lessons in 40 minutes where finishing a project over 3-4 hours isn’t going to give you nearly as many opportunities.
Visual library and muscle memory is so much of your art. Style comes heavily from your tempo and shapes, which you don’t really overlap with rendering all that much.
Obv both at important, what’s most important is doing what brings you the most joy, and gives you the energy and drive to work on what’s hard.
@@andrewm2475 Having spent a decade in art communities for beginners and intermediates, it is completely true that those who plateau the hardest, those who end up creatively frustrated and lost, are those who turned art into a daily practice of "the grind", where "grind" means drawing naked mannequin men and perspective/form exercises (and then eventually, value exercises, brush control exercises, etc).
It is absolutely crucial that what fuels your art is the desire to create art _works_. Works that fulfill the desire to create something meaningful beyond technique. Technique needs to manifest around that need to create _"a something"_.
There's this idea that with "sufficient technique" you can create anything and everything, and it may as well be true. This idea, however, leads people -- especially late teens and adults who pick up the craft -- into thinking that they should first gain "sufficient technique" so that they can then, and only then, have the creative freedom to decide what it is that they're actually making. This is a flawed view of being a creative worker. It is far more productive and creatively liberating to build technique for a specialized creative desire that is within you, rather than to develop generalist technique that serves no clear purpose.
Creativity is a muscle and training creativity to serve your own ends should be trained from day one. Not from day 366. Yes your lack of technique will hinder your ability to make satisfying works -- and it can take a long time before you start feeling like technique is no obstacle -- but if you start training your creativity only after 'gaining technique', then you will, at best, find yourself frustrated at how much your art is lacking and, at worst, oblivious to the fact that your art is uninteresting because all you can see is that the art is 'technically good' (or even worse ' technically correct').
It may be true that spending 3-4 hours on one work will give you less measurable progress than 1 hour of fundies grinding, but if you stretch that project from 3 hours to 1 week or 1 month, working slowly at it little by little, complementing the process with those very same fundies studies you could do in 1 hour, then you'll train not only your eye and hand, but also your creative side. Then you'll be doing a head-in-a-box exercise not for the sake of a general skill of drawing heads in perspective, but rather in preparation to draw the best goddamn head in perspective for that one specific piece. You'll be doing compositions and designs studies and thumbnails, not for the sake of gaining the ability to compose great art in some distant future, but for the sake of building the best composition right now for the piece you're working on.
I've been drawing all my life and I realized that you've said a ton of things I've never talked about and never heard anyone else talk about. You've made me interested. I'm gonna get my drawing stuff back out to try this.
Yeah! Do it! I'm glad you found it helpful. I think that whatever you are learning, when you switch your mindset to a genuinely curious and investigative one, you make these sort of discoveries. Other, more professional artists already know them, but when you rediscover them for yourself they stick with you, and you find you jump up a skill level.
that concept of overlaping perspective into a new one just blew my mind, I never viewed the construction of a figure in perspective like that
Yeah, it was a game changer for me. I spent so long just copying anatomy from books and then fumbling when trying to draw from imagination like the artists I admire.
If you can learn to think in 3D terms, then suddenly drawing becomes far simpler! It doesn't take that long either!
4:25 Tradd Moore truly taught us there’s no right way of holding the pen. Your real tools are your level of creativity, craftsmanship and taste.
Hahaha, love Tradd's stuff. He has a huge callous from the way he holds a pen if I remember correctly.
This is amazing! You can really see the progress not just with the quality of lines but with how solid and 3d the forms look! Can't wait to see your next video about the books you use.
Thanks! That's kind of you to say. It takes me a while to make videos haha but hopefully I can continue to produce content that you find useful. Thank you for your support 💖
When you started the 100 hours, had you never drawn before at all? Your drawings look much more advanced than a complete beginner.
No, not a total beginner. I have covered this in my other videos, but I copied a lot of anime when I was younger and was really good at copying. When I tried to draw it from my head or make my own characters, I totally failed. So, I started to copy anatomy. When I tried to draw it without the reference, I totally failed!
All I could do was copy. So I started looking at how to learn drawing from the ground up, perspective, and all that stuff.
I found what were considered the best books on the subject and also got into neuroscience and learning how to learn.
I tried using things like spaced repetition to mentally internalise some of the vast stuff out there related to drawing and just exploded in growth. This was around 3/4 years ago, maybe? I hadn't drawn for about 10 years before that.
I decided a few months ago to really push myself to draw every day, and track the progress to help others learn too. Nobody else seems to have really used neuroscience like I have to learn drawing, so I started this channel.
Painting I am a total beginner at. I have been learning that at the same time, and only started at Hour 0, so when I review that in the future, you will see how I have progressed from literally no experience.
Thanks for watching!
Great response
@@10.000hrs Thanks so much for the detailed reply! I apologize, this video was from my algorithm, I had not seen your previous videos. I hope my comment didn't come off rude, I am genuinely amazed at your skill level, even with the context you've just given. I look forward to seeing your painting progress! Cheers 🙂
@10.000hrs your time spent learning sounds similar to me, except I always neglected the copying part. Before I really started practing hard, I had a pretty good sense of construction and anatomy in terms of what makes something look believabley 3d, but my proportions and overall measurements were always off. I still find myself having to shrink my characters' heads after I map out the rest of the body
@cdewx5749 That's really interesting. It's amazing how different people experiences shape the outcomes of their art!
Wow! Your progress is unreal!! This is amazing! Thanks for sharing with us!🤩🔥
Ah no worries my friend, glad you enjoyed it. I'll keep going and see what happens!
Wow, your sense of proportions is really impressive for a beginner, you have great potential in that field.
I cant wait when you start to learn the structure!
My advise to you is to start to learn bones, it will be really deal breaker for you.
Interesting. I want to get more into anatomy soon, so hopefully I can learn about them. Thanks for your advice!
@@lucid8302 Thanks, I'll look into it. Do you mean like how to design characters and things like that?
@lucid8302 Great point 👍 I'll have to start working in some stuff like that to apply what I am learning in new ways. I hadn't considered that before, so thank you!
That's because he was not a beginner at all. I have tried studying art almost for an entire year, doing gestures and exercises every day, at least 4-5 hours a day, and to this day, I cannot draw half as good as him. He either has put a LOT more than 100 hours before he started, or he's simply talented I guess.
@@_justnick Well your mistake is to do gesture, whatever youtube says you gestures are just helping with rhythm of the drawing.
Just think of it, you dont draw details you dont think about details, you dont draw anatomy you dont think about anatomy, same with perspective and others .
For beginners gesture literally give nothing, without gestures you can easily become an master.
Do you think Da Vinchi even had an idea about gesture?
Or Kim jung gi?
Of course not.
Learn do draw good perspective without sketches "just with intuition ", learn proportions, learn bones, learn then anatomy and oher stuff.
All this bullshit with the boxes in perspective dont need to be your foundation" in your future of great master", your intuition need to be.
And you level-up your intuition by drawing something from head 1 time perfectly " in different perspectives", just to know how it looks like and feels like.
Use boxes in perspective as foundation for figure as helper in begin, then when you have problems with the figure and you cant figure it out, you can use this boxes or whatever method you have learned to help you.
Use reference when only when you are not 100 percent sure what something is look like.
Step by step you perfect every thing that you cant draw, and you become master in 10 years" with your time investment".
Hey! Just finished going through all of your videos :) Really cool to see someone else apply neuroscience principles to art!
Now, as an art teacher myself, while in general I do agree that interleaving is the best way to go, I also found in my own practice in the past it would lead me to never have enough time to develop the right skill to take me a step further and make a specific painting i wanted to make. So, while working on fundamentals is good and necessary, I noticed that most people tend to quit out of boredom at some point, because they're not focused on getting the next skill that gives them the confidence boost to make the exact piece of art they want.
So, to expedite this and make it more efficient, what I started doing with my mentees was having a set style/artist to use as a guide, and building the core skills off of that, producing finished (as much as the skill level allows) pieces rather often, to boost motivation and stay on track.
Basically, having an even more specific goal allowed people to achieve it faster than "improving my drawing skills". Not because it works intrinsecally better (one could say it's less efficient), but because it puts them in a better mood that in turns allows for faster learning. Obviously the goal would evolve over time.
I'll be following your journey! Curious to see how it goes :)
Thanks for your comment! That's really interesting, I love hearing from professionals, especially teachers.
It does seem that this is quite a common thing. Quite a few people have mentioned it. I suppose it's just own to individual taste, but some people definitely seem to learn better by producing more finished works and improving based on that.
I always felt like I just couldn't produce anything I was happy with and felt demotivated part way through. Doing quicker studies felt a bit easier for me because they were maybe like a lower investment. It's probably purely psychological, but just filling up my sketchbook made me happier.
A lot of people are recommending doing more finished pieces though to practice more creative aspects, problem solving etc, so I think I need to bring that into it.
Thanks again! I appreciate your support.
were you already a good artist before you started this journey? your grasp on drawing is really good for someone whose only been drawing for 100 hours
I'm not a total beginner, but all I was really good at before was copying. So I would copy anime and then when I tried to draw it from imagination I realised I couldn't do it.
So I started copying anatomy from books and the same thing happened with that.
I wanted to start learning again from scratch, with the goal of drawing from imagination, and discovered things like neuroscience and meta-learning, and started experimenting with those.
In December last year I decided I wanted to commit to experimenting with it daily, and share the way I do things to hopefully help others.
I think the thing to look at is the rate of progress in 100 hours, because that should be something anyone can recreate, from a complete beginner to someone who has been drawing for a while.
Thanks for watching!
I think your video saved me completely from a “blockage” crisis. I find myself very much in your story and you put in order so many bricks in my head that couldn't fit together. I would like to ask you if you will ever make a video on how you study from books like Tom Fox's precisely to avoid copying without understanding, a small demonstration. I would be extremely grateful. You are truly an inspiration thank you for what you do
Well, thank you very much for your kind words. I feel very humbled by them! I am glad that the videos are helpful to people.
A few people have asked for things like tutorials, so I will have to put something together at some point but it won't be for a while just because of time constraints.
In the meantime, I would say that the most important thing when working from books like Tom Fox's is to:
- really understand the lesson and what you want you want to practice this session
That is why I make the cards generally contain a single page, or idea that spans a few pages. It limits and isolates my focus to one concept.
- draw from life, references, the book, etc BUT after each sketch, try to draw the same thing from a different imagined viewpoint
This forces you to ensure that you actually understand how the figure works in 3D, and I believe its this mental reassembling of something you have just studied that helps it stay in your head.
If I am working on something like overlap, I will redraw the figure and really pay attention to that.
Finally, that last point might actually be hard to do, and if it is, I think it generally means you need a better grasp on perspective, and how the body would work if made of simple boxes and cylinders.
Hope that helps at least a little for now! Thanks again for your support 💖
This is very inspiring! I'm a beginner, so I'll go back to your other videos and see what I can apply. Keep going, I'll love to see where your approach takes you.
Great! Thank you, I will keep going! I am grateful for your support.
You know what’s wild? I had almost the exact same experience with how I hold a pencil in elementary school. The only difference is that I hold it with the tip of my thumb and first 3 fingers. I still write like this, but I’ve found the same thing in drawing. Sometimes it’s better to find a more fluid grip.
I'm glad it's now just me then! I have been told I write left-handed with my right hand as well, whatever that means. I think stuff like how you hold your tools often gets glossed over when following tutorials or learning, so I wanted to include it here.
This was a wonderful watch. It's really admirable watching you improve! It'll be interesting to watch how you overcome that plateau you mentioned once the 'noob gains' run dry.
Can't wait to see more of your journey!
Thanks again! Yeah, I'm not quite sure how to handle that yet, but I am hoping that finding new ways to challenge myself should help.
@@10.000hrs I have found that transitioning to longer-form projects/paintings is the logical next step. Are you interested in any subsect of art at the moment? Illustration/comics/concept etc?
Yeah for sure I am interested in illustration and comics. I might try something more project based soon. I have some future experiments lined up that might benefit from such a thing. It does seem to be what many people are recommending as the next step!
I could tell you studied from Tom fox, That crazy that you got that good in just 100 hours, looks like you spent at least 1000 good work man!
Haha thanks. Tom is awesome. He just drew for 10,000 hours and got that good. I reckon I can get there faster by using neuroscience to leverage a more efficient route. I'd like to be able to get to his level.
@@10.000hrsyou're well on the way. Looking forward to your progress
The looser pen grip helps to work more freely because you have a better view on what you're doing with your hand being out of the way. Also it helps with doing longer lines because you can better work from your arm rather than your wrist and also lots of illustrators have carpal tunnel syndrome from tight gripping the pen for 8 hours+ per day for years, so the loser grip helps with that too.
The writing grip is great for smaller very focused details, loose grip is great for working the whole plane.
I'd think the reason why the pen grip feels a little redundant to you rn is because you're working rather small. With drawings a few centimeters big and no relations to each other its technically already detail work, because you're only working a small section of a paper at a time.
As a bonus for the loser grip, since you only really use it for drawing (its almost impossible to write with) it can help you get into the drawing zone quicker.
That's really useful to know! I do have a big pad of A2 sized paper I want to try drawing in soon and do think I have a bad habit of drawing small.
I'll try and experiment with some larger work in the future.
Appreciate the help! 🙏
Thank you for inspiring me, I've finally finished a couple anki decks but I'm new and still adjusting. Finished my first hour, I hope to see you at the end with a thousand more under my belt. Best of luck to you on your path, don't burn out. Keep that passion burning man.
Thanks! You too! I hope you find it useful and can adapt it to make it your own. I shall look forward to seeing you at the finish line my friend 🧡
Incredible and insightful video! Thank you for sharing your thought process when it comes to practicing!
Thank you very much, glad you found it useful 💕
I learned about meta-learning and it helped so much with Japanese in the past, can't wait to apply it to art or other pursuits!
It really is amazing, like being given the instruction manual for your brain!
This is very inspiring =]
and it helps beginning artists like me visualize further progress so that I don't feel like I'm just groping around in the dark as I learn and advance in my skills
I am so glad you found it useful 💕 thank you for watching! Yes I agree, I groped around in the dark for years and never really improved beyond copying things.
the fact that you get a pencil extender and then just grab the pencil anyways had me dying laughing, great content mate, keep it up!
Haha, I never even realised 😅 it's a hard habit to break
This was really insightful to say the least. Im not really a beginner but i have a long way to go. Perspective is something I've really avoided learning up until a few weeks ago. And lately I've really started to feel negative effects of it.
Like you said when drawing from imagination if you dont have a fundamental understanding of perspective it can really kill the drawing. So now im going back and learning all the basics.
Good for you. I was the same for a long time. The Scott Robertson book is so good for that because it chunks it up into bitesize steps that feed into one another.
It makes perspective very easy to learn gradually. Once you have a few hours clocked up practising it, you should notice the difference.
Best of luck with it friend!
@@10.000hrs thanks for the recommendation. It's a bit expensive where I live but I'm definitely considering getting it.
Ballpoint being so final makes it more challenging, you need to commit to your drawing. The paper is the biggest hurdle, finding the best paper that lets you smoothly draw with a ballpoint is difficult.
For real. That's actually why I made the switch. I used to suffer from really scratchy, indecisive lines with pencil. I still suffer from it a little. I have a bunch of different sketch books to work through so maybe eventually I will find a good combination.
This is awesome video. I just started learning to draw and i can only draw from reference at the moment
That's how I started too! Thanks for watching, and I am glad you liked it.
I have tried to guide many beginner artists to start with boxes and line exercises for a bit and then try to understand to proportion and practice gestures. I have improved through those steps, with less discipline and consistency though from yours though, wish more beginners realized how these things help a lot on the long run.
Thank you! I agree completely. The fundamentals are there for a reason, and can never be fully mastered. I really see whatever I do as drawing boxes, it's literally always in my mind, especially when working from imagination.
I think the tendency as humans is to want to jump to the end right away and do 'harder' things, or copy finished paintings and hope to somehow learn that way.
You cannot see the fundamentals and how they are being used in these pieces until you study them yourself.
Wonderful video, thank you for this insight! The section on XYZ space was especially eye opening for me, with drawing shapes in 2d and then aligning them in 3d
No problem!
It was such a game changer for me and probably the most important thing I have worked on to date. It probably took about 6 months of daily practice for it to feel easy, and on tougher more complex forms, I still have trouble, but it unlocks the ability to draw anything from any angle.
Thanks for watching 💕
100 hours in 4 months, judging from the upload date of the first video.
100 x 100 is 10,000.
4 months x 100 is 400 months which equals around 33 years for 10,000 hours!?
Am I doing the math wrong?
You're gonna be a better drawer than Kim Jung Gi if you keep this up!
You are correct haha. I hope to eventually be able to commit more than 1 hour a day. If I could get 3 hours a day in (morning/noon/night) then I could get there in 11 years!
your work really inspires me to improve thank you
Hey! No problem buddy, I am glad you continue to find the videos useful. I hope to continue to produce content that you find useful and inspiring 💖 thanks for your ongoing support
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This motivated me to draw again. The goal is to draw an hour a day
Yeah! Do it! I can only really do 1 hour a day because of things like work, but I think its really all you need. What matters most is that you can actually focus for that hour (2×30 mins I actually prefer, with a short 5 or 10min break inbetween). Also ensure that you practice things that will help you, like your weak points. What you practice is more important than how you practice.
@@10.000hrs thank you for your advice
Any chance you could post your flash cards currently wanting to undergo the same journey and would love to start now using them !
It's a bit of a tough one really. If I share them, I will be sharing books illegally as they are produced by scanning the books, and I don't want to harm the artists.
Secondly, I use the cards as a digital journal, and make notes on each one after a study session. As such the way I use the cards is sort of personal to me.
It would be best for anyone who wanted to use Anki how I do to make their own cards, personal to them.
Sorry that's kind of a lame answer. I might try and make some sort of more generic deck at some point, but it still would require people to make the cards their own, with their own notes
Someone suggested making a deck from the content on Draw-a-box, so that might be worth a go.
I know people love spaced repetition and I did and still do as well. But having spent houndreds of hours learning languages, maths and other topics with combined at least 10.000 cards and burning out multiple times as well as burning out on art I think it's extremely important not to overengineer the process. SRS optimizes for maximal retainment or minimal forgetting of atomic information, which is critically different from learning something deeply and integrated. It should only be a building block, not the entire solution.
I think learning iteratively and improving atomically with a focus on the fundamentals is the best way to learn any skill. But you must combine it with curiosity and play. Find the thing that attracts you towards your subject and let it guide you. Also having great teachers, which are people who have the rare combination of both passion and skill for both their field and teaching, is a humane way to optimize the process.
Nonetheless I like the way you extracted exercises for yourself. Repeating them to drill in the fundamentals is invaluable.
Thank you for your very informative comment. It's so interesting how many more experienced people are emphasising the need to sort of play more and be creative, so that's definitely something I am going to bring in.
I still very much feel like I am grappling with fundamentals at the moment, but I will try to branch out and seek new challenges.
Woah that xyz part at around 2:40 is blowing my mind how did you do that? Is that from a book? What book if so? I want to learn that.
Yep, it's from How to Draw by Scott Robertson, and it's widely considered the best book for learning to draw from imagination. I practice it on a regular basis.
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Can you please make video tutorial on 2:39 combining the 2d shapes to make 3d for imagination drawing
I could, but honestly I am doing it as an exercise from a book, so you might as well just grab the book!
It's called 'How to Draw' by Scott Robertson, and it contains all the steps to get you upto that point, as well as the steps beyond it, such as using that XYZ drawing to make cars and planes.
It's probably better than any tutorial I could ever make.
Also, Draw a Box is a free online learning tool that you can use for this. You can even have your work critiqued, either free, or by joining a Patreon.
your voice is very calming, very intresting concept and look forward to future videos
Haha thanks, a few people have mentioned that. I appreciate your support 💗
Oddly enough as so,embody who has been trying to learn perspective and is a self taught artist that you can only ever see 3 sides of the cube things made something click so hard, that’s going to help me so so much funny how such a simple thing can just open a new door like that. Thank you
No problem! Ah I was the same my friend. These little discoveries are awesome because they really stay embedded in the mind. Sometimes you just need someone to say something in a certain way to make it click. Glad I could help!
Hey man, I'm really happy I stumbled upon your channel. I've been working as a professional artist for many years but feel like my skills have stagnated. I've been wanting to get back into practicing drawing and painting but have been struggling with finding the time and not really knowing which fundamental to start with. Listening to you talk about how you approach practicing drawing is very inspiring and feels like a breath of fresh air. I'll definitely be looking into the anki system. Do you have a community? for example a discord channel? would be cool to draw and grow together.
Looking forward for more content!
Glad you found it inspiring my friend!
At the moment, there is not a discord channel, but I do intend to create one soon and will announce it when it happens!
Lots of people have asked for it so it needs to happen but I want to make sure I set things up properly so it'll be a lil while longer...
Thanks for watching! 💓
@@10.000hrs That's great to hear! I'll be the first to join! but take your time, there's no rush :D
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My favorite pens are the clear plastic ink pens from MUJI, a Japanese design store...there's just something about the line they create that makes it so appealing to use and to look at.
Hmm I haven't heard of those but they sound cool. I will take a look! Thanks for letting me know!
Like the other commenter said; how did you gain such a great sense of proportion? I know its something you develop over time but lets say I want to deliberately practice that, how would i do it effectively?
This is a weird one because really there are 2 types of drawing - from reference, and imagination. Both are actually useful to have practiced, but my main goal is drawing from imagination, so I work more on that.
If you only care about drawing from reference, then you can think about line length, angles of lines relative to each other, and points where lines intersect.
To practice that, I suggest looking up Bargue Drawing, and it's really just measuring, and then transferring measurements to paper.
Drawing from imagination is harder, because the sense of proportion has to be understood before you can draw your subject.
For that, I suggest thinking about and studying the proportions in 2 dimensions from the front, top, and side, much I like in the XYZ section of this video.
Using the skull as an example, I know it fits inside a rectangle which is typically taller than wide. In 3d terms, just draw a box with those proportions, and make it thinner in depth. You then have a volume correctly propotioned, to draw the head into. It takes a while to internalise the proportions, and I often make mistakes, but it's just about simplification. That is why I draw in 2D first when learning.
If I draw a motorcycle, the wheels are always 1.5 wheel widths apart in side view. If I draw a flat plane in 3D with that marked out, it's just a case of filling in the blanks and creating volumes where the marks indicate.
Hope that helps! I will try to make a video at some point that explains it perhaps.
Weird to come across this today, I've started a similar journey. Where I have landed is that I need to understand perspective and gesture before I even think about anatomy or facial structure
Glad you found the video useful! Thanks for watching, and I wish you the very best of luck on your journey ✨️ I think having a solid grasp of perspective in particular really sets you down a good path, especially if you want to draw from imagination
@@10.000hrs Yesterday I practiced with some still life, turns out circles are rarely circles!
@chameleonedm All those little things you figure out eventually compound into a strong understanding 🔥
Your results are amazing. I'd highly suggest listening to the "if books could kill" podcast episode on outliers and the author who coined the 10,000 rule. Many have talked about it, but basically some people need much less than 10000 hours to be a master at something and others much more, as the research baking his claims is quite shoddy. the 10000 rule is more a sensational marketable quote than a fact.
Thanks for sharing! I haven't heard of that podcast before but it sounds good. I too believe it to be more of a guideline than a rule. I also believe that if others have achieved a task before you, then you can leverage their experience to get there faster than they did, which is what I try to do!
Thanks for watching and for the support 💗
amazing video🌞🌞🌞❤️❤️😊
! Again, now with the left hand!
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nice, thanks for sharing!
Thanks for watching!
This video made me sub, inspired me to keep on learning art despite hitting a couple walls lately, let's learn together mate. cheers!!!
Thank you for your support. I am pleased that you enjoyed the video and will look forward to improving alongside you.
this is insane!! Well done
Thank you!
I just love everything about this
Thanks! I love everything about YOU and appreciate you watching 💖
2:26 this is literally the modelling/sculpting tip for any 3D software
Makes sense I suppose!
You’re much better than me and I started drawing 5 years ago!!!
Thanks! I'm not a total beginner, but all I really did before was copy drawings like anime and manga. I got really good at copying, but couldn't draw anything from my head. This experiment was the result of trying to get good at drawing from imagination.
100 hours of drawing will look unique to each individual. We expand our visual library as we age, travel, experience the world around us. When you draw what you see, you're not just drawing on paper or whatever medium, you are etching the visual straight in your memory thus adding it to the library. When you draw from imagination, you contribute to world being experienced by other people.
The fastest way of learning drawing for beginners is a technique called LUCIDA. There are mobile apps for this. You basically trace. When a beginner traces images, they gain confidence that they too can produce good work, they get used to the mechanical aspect of drawing, and more importantly, they don't get disappointed with un appealing drawings. Like in any other field of study. Confidence is crucial to gain first. Ironically, lucida was used by classical masters to produce their best work, and our generation is lead to believe a kind of mastery where tracing is seen as cheating.
That's very interesting, thank you for sharing. Perhaps I will experiment with Lucida or a similar tool in the future.
i have a lot of recs for pens, especially brush pens!
tombow dual tip grey and black dual pen (these have many names online but its a two in one grey and black brush pen. i like to use the grey side to sketch and the black side to refine sketches)
pentel pocket brush - refillable pigement based version of pentel colour brush
uni pin brush
uni pin fineliners - these are pigment based
tombow fudenosuke pens - i prefer the blue one which is more firm
pentel touch sign brush pens
faber castell pit artist fude nib hard - pigment based
zebra sign pen (i like the grey one the most, the blue one is firm with black ink, silver is black ink and softer firmer and dark grey is soft with black ink)
wh smith fineliners
wh smith brush pens
sakura pigma markers - they are refillable and pigment based. they also come in a range of finliner sizes and one brush size as well
zebra sign pen
artxx brush paint pens, good for adding colour
tempera paint pens are good for mark making, filling pages with colour and for work larger at about a1 size they'd be good for sketching with
Wow! This is an amazing list! Thank you so much! I will definitely do some research into those. Can I ask what sort of paper you normally draw on with some of these?
@@10.000hrs np! i mainly use these on cartridge paper and card, most of the pens work on simple printer copy paper as well but i haven't tried the paint pens or the tempera on copy paper.
this is a really cool challenge! later in the challenge would you consider studying art styles that are not 3D, such as orthodox style art? or styles that combine 2D and 3D, like art nouveau? or all hours are dedicated to this?
Good question! As an experiment this is more focused on the actual training methods and content as opposed to style, but as it develops and I (hopefully) improve further, I should think I will begin looking at style more.
I'll be expanding the experiment in the near future to try a few new things, so style might be something to bring in then.
that's a very big improvement
love this. can you share the anki cards?
I can't share the ones I have made that feature book scans because that's piracy, and also because I use the cards as digital journal pages that I update each time I practice a card, it's not really practical. Part of this training is making your own notes.
That being said a lot of people want to a deck to try this with, so I hope to produce one that people will be able to use soon.
Thanks for your interest!
Thats understandable. I think thsts a great idea
can I join the 10 000hrs experiment? very interesting! 👌 Do you use references?
You sure can! I use reference yes, usually from the timer tool on Proko, or Pinterest.
If I am working on something like anatomy or figure drawing, I tend to draw the figure from reference, and then draw it from another angle, using my imagination.
This forces me to understand how the forms of the figure actually work in 3D.
The same thing can be done for cars, robots, whatever you want.
So we want to use reference, but also always be moving away from using it.
@@10.000hrs thanks for the feedback!
This is so cool dude! Have you considered starting a discord server? It seems like it would fit your channel quite well to have one
I will be creating one in the near future so thanks for the interest. I want to male it really useful and well structured and tie it in with some other plans I have for the channel, but it's in the pipeline!
I want a version of this where someone does this who can't already draw lol
I will hopefully get around to making a video on that at some point!
This was such a good video!
Where do you get your reference material from? How much drawing do you do from imagination vs from references?
Thanks! I am glad you enjoyed it.
The references come from Proko, where I use the timer tool to practice.
I currently draw a referenced figure from there and then I try to draw the same figure, from an imaginary view point.
I find this forces me to really consider the figure as three dimensional and how its volumes work in perspective, and it acts as a bridge to hopefully make drawing from imagination a lot easier.
Some of the drawings in this video are totally from imagination.
I always try to work like this even when learning something like anatomy, because I have found that just copying makes you good at copying, but I could never draw from imagination.
What do you study from the books though? I feel like perspective and everything is just something you get better at as your practice. Flash cards don’t change anything?
You are right. But it's more like HOW I practice. Its deliberate practice. It's how I learned perspective, and how I learn new concepts like colour temperature or specific anatomy.
This is a hard question to answer in a comment but essentially yes, you are correct, flash cards are more for learning things like Japanese vocabulary or capital cities. This is known as declarative learning.
Art is procedural learning and so it's a case of practice makes perfect.
I have been experimenting with using a computer program for declarative learning to learn procedural skills like art.
I treat each card as a digital journal page so that I can learn a new concept within the field of art, and as my understanding of a subject grows, I can push it further. The program tells me when I will be getting rusty because it uses an algorithm mapped to my personal knowledge retention rate to ensure the thing I practice every day is the thing I probably need to sharpen up on. This is called Spaced Repetition Learning.
It's not a perfect system, and I have only anecdotal scientific evidence that it works for learning art, but many people have commented saying they have found it useful.
As I get better at perspective or drawing the foot, I practice that thing less.
I have a video on it if you want to learn more, and it's honestly a method which won't be for everyone, but it's how I got to this point. It has focused me and given me specific things to study every day.
@@10.000hrs so essentially. It’s not really about the information on the cards itself. More about a reminder to practice what’s on the card? Sorry, I’ve watched the all your videos, and it seems interesting, it just kinda didn’t make sense to me.
@KronoXP Yes. The program is really just a scheduler. This makes my training more efficient. This tells me what to practice and when.
The cards are from books so that should be giving me a logical progression of study to go from say drawing lines to boxes to cars.
You do of course get better over time with things like perspective, but deliberate practice at least initially should get you to be able to perform better, faster.
Its just that before, I would kind of sit down and doodle for a while or copy mindlessly from an anatomy book, and never ever made progress that way.
Thanks for watching so far. If there's anything else I can help with feel free to let me know.
very nice, i recently switched from pen to 2mm mechanical pencil and then pen or fineliner. very forgiving suddenly using a pencil after using ink so long
I'll have to try that! The reason I jumped to pen was actually because my lines were very unconfident and scratchy. Pen forced me to draw the line as a single bold stroke, and it has helped clean my work up quite a lot.
I wish the best for you and your journey and i yern to do the same so i must ask, how do you find the time to practice?
Thank you very much! I only study for 1 hour a day, so it's a bit more manageable. Usually in the evenings.
I would probably do more if I had time but I do not believe in studying for hours and hours every day. Little and often actually seems to produce better results, at least for me personally.
@@10.000hrs I appreciate your response. I'm hoping to embark on the same trip when I find stable ground. Good luck man!
What resources did you use? Nice progress btw!
A bunch of books that I scanned and turned into cards for a spaced repetition learning program! When I do figure drawing I use Proko's timer tool for references, or Pinterest for things like still life references.
My next long form video, which should be out in a week or two, will cover all the books in detail.
Thanks for watching! I am so pleased you enjoyed it!
i love everything about it but the full body sketches look so much like sinix, have u discovered him yeT?
Thanks! No I haven't checked that artist out yet but I will. I love finding inspiring new work, so thank you for sharing with me!
Sorry for the late comment but,
did you have anything to distract you? Were you listening to videos/music whenever you draw?
I want to try doing this but the silence always unmotivates me
This is awesome though!
Thanks! I am glad it helped. Personally, I don't listen to anything, and actually concentrate really hard 😅 that's why I do 30 mins, take a 10 min break, then do another 30 mins.
This isn't really fun relaxing drawing but more like a super concentrated focus session every time. So you can't go for too long.
That being said, everyone is different, and I have read studies that demonstrated some individuals retaining more knowledge when listening to music, particularly classical music, so that might carry over into this type of practice.
I think the general consensus was that music with lyrics might not be great, but that instrumental music is okay. I would say do whatever makes you feel good. If music helps you, then listen to whatever you want.
I also read some interesting stuff on things like binaural beats, but I don't think it's proven that they can improve your performance. Probably wouldn't hurt you to listen to them if you chose to, though.
Thanks for watching, and good luck with your studies! 💖
Can you share your anki deck?
This is so amazing because this shoes that this can apply to ANYTHING in life! Unfortunately I have so many hobbies that this could apply to that i just would have no social life and no girlfriend 😂
Also, more importantly, CAN WE GET ACCESS TO YOUR ANKI?!
I think it applies to pretty much everything. I use it for a lot of things, and have found it very intriguing. Physical, procedural skills like art and sports are the hardest to learn, but it ultimately just amounts to repetition, and good critical analysis of what you are doing to better direct your efforts next time. For just memorising facts, this is the absolute ultimate learning method. You could memorise an entire language very easily.
Lots of people ask for the cards, but because they are book scans, it's kind of illegal to share them, but I am making my own deck, basically distilling everything in them, available for free later this year. It's going to take a while to make but I want to get it correct. There will also be a discord server for people to train together ❤️
@10.000hrs What I’ve taken from your approach is the idea that art is a skill requiring mastery of various elements. By creating Anki cards for each aspect, I can practice, evaluate what’s lacking in a piece (e.g., perspective), drill that specific skill, and repeat the process to improve each time
Ah, I kind of figured that was the case, but I’m really glad to hear that seeing an Anki deck in your style is still on the cards-no pun intended!
bro, drop you decks, please. This is amazing
Thanks! The decks are book scan, so I can't really put them out legally. Also, because I use the cards as digital notes/ journal pages, they are really written for me. Part of this method is really making your own notes for you.
That being said, so many people seem curious to try this that I might look into making a deck I can share that covers the same sort of concepts without plagiarising anybody or committing piracy!
Thanks for your interest, I appreciate your support.
what about digital painting
how should we use the techniques when drawing in digital media
My next check in at 200 hours will cover this, probably be a video I put out around late July, maybe August.
In the meantime, the book I use to learn digital painting from is called Colour and Light by 3D Total.
It has some good drills for learning concepts like colour temperature, exposure etc.
I really enjoyed watching all of your videos so far and started my own anki deck with the "drawbox lessions" to try out if anki is for me. What i did not understand in your last video about getting anki ready is when you finished adding a deck, how to start the study? I did so, set the new cards to zero and I don't have any new cards to study. Maybe it's just me and I did something wrong when I did the deck. Anyway: thanks for sharing your progress, you made a lot! I am really happy to see that.
you studied with only two books so far? I have "how to draw", too and honestly I wasnt able to do anything or read the book at all - which is why I am so happy i found your channel, at least you are working through the book itself, which is more than I have done. I have a question though: you read the book and do challenges, which is why you habe so many "gesture and pose" studies, I guess? So for example, in the book drawing form and pose (i have that, too) you have the x,y & z page and you do a challenge, thats correct so far? can you share what challenges you do? or how you get your own ideas, to give a few examples? that would be great and an awesome inspiration for myself. I struggle with giving myself homework, so a bit more insight would be awesome!
That's great! It's something to experiment with for sure.
You have to set new cards to 1, so that 1 new card a day will appear. As you will see in the future, if you leave it set to 1, eventually you will just get a backlog, but for a little while you might be okay leaving it set to 1. Just remember you can set it 0 to stop the flow of new cards every day!
The anki documentation is pretty good and can probably explain it better than I can in a comment, but it sounds like you have new cards set to 0, so none show. Set it to 1 anytime you want to study a new card.
I share the art I practice each day as a daily short video here on RUclips, and the description of each contains info on the card for that day, which will give a little insight.
You are correct, I treat each page as a chunk, that contains information I should know. We want to turn the 'lesson' it teaches into the challenge for that card.
To make the challenges, I consider carefully what the author is trying to teach. It's generally a single concept, like overlap, or how the jawbone looks from different angles or something. I base the challenge on that.
It's probably best for you to make your own challenges based on what you read from the book, because you might interpret it differently to me!
Some books like How to Draw are far easier to make challenges for, because it literally just gives you instructions to follow!
Thanks for your support, I hope that helps and if there is anything else I can do for you let me know 💖
@@10.000hrs Thanks for answering, this helped a lot (and I will check out your shorts, I am just not a big fan of them so I didn't look for those, sorry). I started with drawing form & pose and that one is an easy book, too. Because for each page (or two) you can make easy challenges/homework, like for overlap "draw 10 poses and emphasise the overlap and mark it for better understanding (and observing where overlap happens in real life) so... This was really helpful. I hope this way will help me study art better. Because I have the problem I just sit down for a few hours a day but never get back to learning more (or reading a book past the first chapter) than once a week or even a month. So hopefully with Anki and it's scheduling for me I can get the reps in, to use a gym metapher (lol). Thanks for the tip in trying out one new card per day and look where it's going, that is smart. Thanks. I am not used to use anki, because I have to make my own cards and I am relativly bad in learning for myself without anyone guiding me, so the combination in using books I have anyway is SO GOOD. thank you again for sharing and explaining it so well (you did good, I didn't listen enough). Thank you, really.
I don't know if you can answer this question but I wanted to ask how you overcame the abundance of resources that are very accessible nowadays. I'm a perfectionist and have a problem of always getting started on something and always end up feeling overwhelmed by all the resources out there. I'm always planning what I should do but never actually getting started, do you have any advice?
The next video I post should help with this a bit, as it's about the resources I use, and how to find the most suitable ones.
There is a lot out there, and everyone learns differently, so you might want to spend a bit of time experimenting with books or courses to see what works best for you personally. I prefer books myself.
Next I would say have a clear destination in mind for what you want to achieve. Can you find 3 artists or pieces of work that really sum up exactly what you want your own work to look like?
From there, you can sort of work backwards and figure out what skills you need to take you there, and find resources that will help you get there.
For example, if you want to paint portraits, then you don't actually need to spend a lot of time studying things like perspective, but you would spend more time on observational drawing.
If you want to draw cars from imagination, then you need a far more detailed understanding of perspective, and might not even need to do much observational drawing, and you wouldn't need any anatomy.
I want to be able to draw and paint from my imagination, which is about the hardest thing you can ever achieve in art, so I broke down what I needed into what I call skill pillars, and then found the best resources to help me learn them all.
My other videos cover this and I'll post more in the future.
I made a clear pathway to follow. From there, its just about being brave, taking action, and starting! I do 1 hour a day, no more.
That's sort of a general overview of what I did when I was in your position, but if I can offer any more specific help, please ask!
One final thing - I am a perfectionist too, but I have found that when learning to paint and draw, embracing mistakes is essential. The learning process is literally making mistakes repeatedly, and trying to make your next attempt a little better. Sometimes you do okay, sometimes not so much, but over time the progress is made. Art is a good way to learn to let go of perfectionism and just have fun!
You don't have to show anyone the mistakes or work you feel is 'bad' so treat your art as an experiment, and don't be afraid to make mistakes!
Thanks for watching 💕
@@10.000hrsI initially wrote a reply but I think I forgot to send it 😭. But to paraphrase, there are definitely times where I am scared of making "bad" drawings but I know I have to accept that and get better at enduring it. I am currently doing drawabox paired with How to Draw by Scott Robertson since I mainly want to learn how to draw for a video game passion project I'll be making in the future. Anyhow, thank you for the advice and I'll make sure to ask if there is anything you can help me with or reply if there are things I forgot to tell you. But yea, just being frozen in fear for the sake of wanting to draw well is definitely my biggest problem when I should be drawing for the fun of it instead of always instensively focusing on the fundamentals. Thanks again!
Do you draw all that from reference? Where are you getting your references?
Some is from reference. At the moment I tend to draw a pose or other subject from reference, and then imagine the same pose from another camera angle and draw it from imagination. This forces me to think about everything as 3D forms and in perspective.
For figures I use Proko for references, where you can get packs of hundreds of photos for fairly cheap. I use Pinterest for other things like props or vehicles.
Thanks for watching! 💕
That one guy that renders realistic anime characters
I hope you were talking about R9 there...
😆 normally people complain that it should be called the Messi analogy
Hey man, I am making a video about learning to paint, I shared the diagram of the general concepts and nichees and gave you a shout out. Hope thats ok!
btw AMAZING progression! I am blown away!
Cheers
Thanks friend! Appreciate the shout out. You're welcome to use anything I make however you want. I admire those who have a genuine passion to help others, much like yourself 💖
@@10.000hrsthanks man! I really appreciate that! ❤ if I ever make something that you want to use also feel free to use it 😊
Are you drawing these bodies from reference?
Some are. What I tend to do at the moment is use the timer tool on Proko to draw a figure or two from reference, and then draw the same figure from an imaginary viewpoint. I find that is a good bridge to get into drawing from imagination. Some of the faces and figures are totally from imagination, and usually they are not as accurate, and the lines will probably look a little more scratchy as I am not as confident in creating them.
Noob phase.... the artist mind is truely amazing 😂
Well, he got pencil lol a got one so I keep working 😂
is this the coffee guy lmao ???
only 100? ive done over 600 within these 11 months. (okay im sorry i dont usually brag but im super proud of this fact :'))
And so you should be. That's a fantastic achievement. Well done! I only train for 1 hour a day currently, but I hope to find time to put a little more time in each day at some point in the future.
Only 600? That’s only 2 hours a day. Lazy. I’ve done 2400
@@tokumei99 its all the freetime i get :,) id also burnout way to quickly for 7 hours a day lol- if it works for you thats amazing!
@@tokumei99 ive done 8029, I've only slept one hour in all that time.
@@lightningninja6905 I meant 2400 per day bro. Keep up
Bro needs better thumbnails
Yeah, it's not my strong point 😅 I'll try harder for future videos
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These kinds of channels pop up every trimester or so and bring in absolutely nothing new. Peak of "Mount Stupid" Dunning-Kruger. Why do you even attempt to teach if you have no clue what you're doing? The obvious answer is because it feels good. The value you feel in preaching to others with no experience or knowledge will do you no good if you actually care about any of this and it isn't just hubris. I'm a lone voice yelling at walls over and over but it is really disappointing to see curiosity for draftsmanship used as a cheap scapegoat for farming engagement and revenue. How long until you start promoting courses and selling "cheat sheets"?
I appreciate your frustration, but this channel represents nothing more than an experiment in learning and developing skills. I'm just sharing what I learn because some people find it useful. I'm not an expert, and the fact that I am in the same boat as all the other amateurs seems to be what people relate most to.
I have no intention of selling anything via this channel, and I don't work with any sponsors or promote any products.
This level at which you draw is insane for 100 hours, regardless of previous experience. Can't wait to see how much more u improve
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Ah thanks so much! I just do a little every day, but make sure that little amount is quite focused and that i am actively engaged with the subject matter. Over time, it just builds up.
Thanks for checking out the videos and I am glad you enjoyed them 💕
This is so wonderful 🫡
Thanks! I am so glad you liked it 😊
So I drew for a 100 hours :)
Bro drew for a 100 hours :D
:/ :/
😆 let's do 100 more
I wonder what will happen when you pass 1000h... You already have a better understanding of anatomy, proportions and perspective than a lot of artists that consider themselves intermediaries in those 100h, even though you're not a total beginner as you said in other videos. I'm actually more impressed in your discipline than the progress itself. After seeing your first video I thought "huh, this is quite interesting, I might give it a try". Downloaded Anki and pretty much gave up in the first day because not only the method requires a LOT of effort in the preparation phase (which kinda demotivate me) but also the interface of Anki is... well... garbage imo (and I'm a Mac user (the interface is slightly better than the Windows version)). So yeah, I think is incredible that you have the patience to do the prep phase, the patience to use Anki and the patience to pretty much record almost everything that you did and do. I will look forward to see how much further you will go with your journey, so keep it up, you're doing great!
Haha, thanks, that's really nice of you to say. It is an acquired taste for sure, and the interface is not the best. I have some other videos in the pipeline that will show alternate methods of study that require no Anki. Maybe they will be more useful.
A lot of what I do is just experimenting to see what works for me.
Thank you for all your support so far!
This video seems like a brilliant way to help improve the drawing skills of people who come from more technical backgrounds. I really like the way the constructions are broken down and built back up, rather than simply copying something else like you mentioned in another comment!
Thank you! I hope so. Its not for everyone and some people have said they feel art should be more expressive and less technical than I make it, but it's how I learn things, and a lot of people seem to have resonated with it.
Thanks for watching 🙏
@@10.000hrs Of course! Different approaches for different people, naturally. As someone more technically minded myself, I can't wait for the next video!
So glad I found this video. I hope to draw like Kim in 15-20 years from now. I'm making noticeable progress towards this goal. Videos like this remind me to keep going
Haha, the road is long indeed. Thanks for watching, and good luck with your training!
Noah, hi, for some reason it's not letting me respond on the other thread. I had said that I don't have an online presence, but I'd be great if we could share our art through discord. Alternatively, if you have any online presence, I'd be happy to check out your art and see your progress!
@@cristiangamesgames oh cool, what's your discord, I'll add you
@@cristiangamesgames sure what's your discord
KJG is the one that inspired me to start a similar project to 10,000hrs. I saw an interview with him where he said he can draw vehicles from memory because he would spend a lot of time drawing the same vehicles over and over. So he believed that he essentially crystalized the forms of these vehicles into his long-term memory.
I believe with SR you might be able to achieve similar results.
Excuse me, but you just merged the two of my favorite topics. I honestly never thought that you can use neuroscience to learn art! Your video is amazing and it turned out super interesting! Now I really want to check out other videos you’ve made. Also, your art is amazing! I always wanted to draw like you do
Ah thanks that's really nice of you to say. Its all a big experiment really but I think it has helped me, and I want to share it in case it helps others. I appreciate your support and hope I can continue to make content you find value in 💖
How did you go about applying Scott Robert sons book to your practice? I’ve been reading it but I’ve been finding it really difficult to apply although I can grasp a lot of the topics in the early chapters
I actually drill a lot of the exercises mentioned in the book on a regular basis, especially the ones about drawing in XYZ sections.
What I tend to do atm is head over to Pinterest and find a cool vinyl toy or object I like and draw it from different imagined angles.
I tend to start by drawing it in flat, 2 dimensions from the front, side and above view, then I construct a box of the right proportions and draw the planes, with those 2d images on, like he does in the book.
I then join up the volumes with a silhouette. This is also exactly the same as he demonstrates in the book.
Then I try to draw the object from imagined viewpoints without the guides! Hard mode.
When I draw figures I think of the head, torso and pelvis as boxes and that forces me to place the figure in 3D perspective.
Hope that helps!
amazing improvement and great vid man!
Thank you!
Zebra or Tombow brush pens are a good easier method if you aren’t used to a true brush pen. They have felt tips that come in different hardness.
Ah, thanks. I will check them out. The brush pen is hard for me, yes. I quite like the way it looks, though.
Really good video. I used to be able to draw very good a long time ago but ive been struggling. This video reminded me of the knowledge I used to have. Thank you!
That's awesome! Glad it helped. I gave up for about 10 years but it eventually pulled me back haha.
I don’t think so 100 hours
This is 100 hours of trying to improve at drawing using spaced repetition. It is not my first 100 hours of drawing as a complete beginner.
I posted a clip of all 100 hours over 100 days in my shorts feed, so you can go see the progress if you like.
I have been drawing on and off for years, but all I ever did was copy anime and stuff. This is me trying to learn to draw from imagination, which I could never do. Still can't do it, but better than I was and getting better every day.
this is inspirational
Glad you found it useful! Thanks for watching!
Thank you for sharing your experiences. I have watched all your videos and I am very eager to see your future videos. I have also been drawing on and off all of my life and have been frustrated with the lack of ability to demonstrate new skills without reference even with practice. I yearned for a roadmap or specific exercises I can do, but most advice falls short with the generalized "just draw" and "fundamentals". While those are true, I think having specific exercises and drills allows me to believe the practice is not for naught and will produce fruits.
I will take inspiration from these methods by attempting to make a looser strategy for spaced repetition: instead of creating hundreds of cards to study specific book pages, I will attempt to create a few topics to study (e.g. value, color, form, etc) that I will revisit. Each topic will contain a list of exercises I can choose to do (e.g. "create a value study of a landscape", "sketch an orthographic view of a complex item", etc). These topics will rotate every so often like block scheduling. I hope this modification would lower the overhead of the process and allow deviation for the sake of fun.
On a separate note, as a woodcarver, I appreciate the comment about creating a side, front, and top profile helps you create 3D images in space, as that is the exact principle I use in carving to block out shapes.
I appreciate your insights on the topic and eager to hear more.
Thanks for watching! It sounds like you experienced exactly what I did. I do believe this sort of more logical and structured approach helps, but it won't be for everyone.
Your approach actually sounds better than mine because it's been streamlined, so definitely go with that!
A lot of this has been about experimenting and finding what works best for me personally, and I expect that to be the same for anyone else who tries it. By being engaged in our learning, we continually improve and refine it.
Good luck with it all! I hope to create more videos in the future that people will find valuable 🙏
How do you avoid plateauing? This book talks about reaching new plateaus, I believe the name of the book is. The Art of Learning
An Inner Journey to Optimal Performance
By: Josh Waitzkin. "“Of course there were plateaus, periods when my results leveled off while I internalized the information necessary for my next growth spurt, but I didn’t mind.”
― Josh Waitzkin, The Art of Learning: A Journey in the Pursuit of Excellence" They may have changed the title.
That's a good book! Plateus are a natural part of learning, so they are not really possible to avoid as such.
I am still trying to figure out the best way to deal with them myself, but from experience I would say:
- revisit and refresh what you are trying to do
This is to make sure you are still on the right track for whatever you are trying to achieve, as the goal can take on a new definition as you grow
- mix things up
It may be that you have to try and approach your practice from a different perspective, trying new ways to achieve your goals
- take a break
This is surprisingly effective! Stopping your practice for a while (I have gone as long as 2 weeks) gives your subconscious time to process things, and you tend to come back stronger!
I am not an expert, but I have found those points have worked for me, and so hopefully there is something for useful for you there.
Thank you for your support!
@@10.000hrs, thank you for the advice, but since I'm taking an oil painting course, I'm only allowed to do what they tell me to do, it's not until I get to the last block that every other painting I get to do what I want to do.
@ravenshadowz2343 oh I see! Well, the teachers there should hopefully be able to offer you some guidance as well. If you are quite new to painting you might not plateau for a while anyway. In the beginning phase of learning you always make the most progress.
Good luck with your course! I wish you every success!
@@10.000hrs, thank you! :)
Hi, i watched the entire video hoping to learn how neuroscience can be applied in art, as i am also an artist. Nada, didn't see anything neuro related, why torture us with extreme click bait?
Sorry you had a negative experience with this video.
This is more of a review of what I have learned so far using some neuroscience/ meta-learning approaches to skill acquisition. The videos that cover the actual approach are separate to this, as it takes quite a while to explain.
To save you watching, though, for the experiment so far:
- I use spaced repetition learning to regularly review information I am trying to internalise
- this is managed through a computer program called Anki that schedules the learning for me via flash cards, and tells me what to practice every day
- I draw or paint for 30 mins, take a 10 min break, then do another 30 mins and post an excerpt of the session every day here on RUclips
- the 'training' consists of essential, generalised art lessons that I created flash cards for based on what are supposedly the best art books on the market
The end result is that after an initial bout of learning and reviewing something regularly, like drawing the thumb, I can practice it less and less over time because my brain memorizes it.
This concept is proven for things like languages but has not been proving for art, so that's what I am testing!
I have some other approaches that are designed for rapid knowledge acquisition that I will make videos for in the future.
I appreciate you watching and commenting your honest thoughts 💖
Seems to me you've already been drawing for quite some time! Great work
Thank you! I'm not a total beginner, but all I was ever really okay at before was copying anime characters and stuff.