How does this apply to construction? With pen the layers become difficult to distinguish as they build up. Am I just supposed to forget about construction?
Not really, Peter Han often says that you can add to the construction with stronger lines and color , and eventually construction will lose its visual relevance. Also, you will eventually construct in subtlr manners that the viewer wont notice. Kim Jung Gi does that by using the brows and forehead to hint at himself how to construct the face angles and orientation
You don't have to construct with full lines. You can construct with indications that you deem necessary. Such as when you want a cube. You can indicate the corners of the cube with little marks instead of drawing it fully.
I think you can use pen only in your practice sketchbook. then when you are doing fine works of art, you can go ahead and use your pencil and construction lines. I know that’s not what he said, but that’s what I would recommend. Pen for practice, pencil for artwork.
Yeah, what vitormorae said. Part of the process as the artist is to learn how to navigate the balance between construction and ink. The hope is that, knowing how cluttered your image looks with so many construction lines teaches you how to work with less lines, and visualize more. This ability taken to an extreme is why Peter Han and Kim Jung Gi can do what they do.
I'm pretty much still a beginner, I filled a 75 page sketchbook with pencil drawings in 4 months, mostly practicing hands. I made the mistake of drawing from reference a lot without actually deconstructing it which you explained in another video - no wonder I felt stuck. Your advice seems to be spot on, I feel like my understanding of art improved and I have new input on what I need to work on. I want to be able to draw from imagination so bad, but I'm still struggling with it a lot. But now I feel like I know how to approach this. I'm also going to draw with a pen from now on, let's see where this takes me. Great advice, I subbed.
I just like how he got to the main point in the first 30 seconds that made me stay for the whole video. This is something most youtubers miss, so even if their content is great i just click off because they are boring or making it too long, appreciate this bro
don't force yourself to use a pen, this only creates frustration because you don't have the knowledge of someone like kim jung gi. Besides, he used pencil too, he only switched to pen when he saw it wasn't for good use anymore.
I "forced" myself to use a pen. It creates no more frustration then pencil. Rubbing hole in your paper with an eraser is even more frustrating then just acknowledging your mistake and moving on to the next drawing like you tend to do with pen. Best thing you can do for yourself is "force" yourself to use a pen.
@@ducksoff7236 true, but there's people that don't understand why you should use pen in the first place so that's why i made this comment. There's no crime in using a pencil you just have to let that idea of a perfect drawing go away, otherwise you'll just be doing "ctrl + Z" IRL lol.
Yeah cause Kim Jung Gi already mastered the Constructions of basic shapes and perspectives and also anatomy, also he's done lots of drawings for years and years his image library + observation is superb.... anyways I like the Idea of using a pen its a real challenge but I think Ill go with pencil I love the part where I have to sharpen pencils haha..
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You are right. Peter Han recommends the pen, its just his method, its not the only method for drawing. A pen will give you certain types of lines, a pencil will give you other types of lines. there is not one better than the other. You can even draw with gouache and brush producing surface shapes instead of working lines. It will give your style other characteristics. Clear lines, perspective, anatomy are not universal art objectives one must dominate to make good art. They are variables within a broader spectrum, dominating them will give you more tools for expressing yourself but obsessing over them will just make you draw like those artists, nothing original.
@@brokendrawPLEASE HELP..WHAT IF I suffer from depression abd ADD and seeing TOO MANY BAD DRAWINGS MAKES ME TOO ANGRY AND DEPRESSED AND I CANNOT FREAKING TAKE IT. HOW CAN I MINIMIZE THIS PLEASE AND HOW CAN I FEEL GREATLY TALENTED ABDMAKE IT MOSTLY ENJOYABLE?? Hope to hear from you.
@@leif1075you have to forgive yourself for your mistakes, both in life and in art. You can’t learn from your mistakes if your head is filled with self hatred. Acknowledge your mistakes, forgive yourself, and move forward.
@@leif1075 For me, the point where I started to improve was when I didn't like my drawing I began to tell myself ''Well this shit sucks. Move on to the next one.'' I continued to draw even if my drawings were shit. Yes, it was hard for me too, but otherwise, you won't improve. Just be like ''Yeah this part looks like shit, I'll try to improve it next time.'' Sometimes it is not gonna be fun or sometimes you will be depressed but the only way to progress is by working hard. Don't push yourself too much, though; there are times you should take a break. And you shouldn't compare yourself with others. You may be inspired by or learn from them, but comparing yourself in a discouraging way is never it.
@@brokendrawThanks for sharing so much. Hope you can respond to my other comme t when you can and cam you PLEASE SHARE how tp make this process funa nd enjoyable mostly PLEASE..Is an hour or 2 a day generally enough?
“Mistakes are the catalyst of learning.” This is so true. Ngl, I was going to stop the video about twenty seconds in, but decided to hear it out and you raise some great points. I like to correct mistakes that I make after spotting them though, which I find works well for me when I’m trying to learn something-the only downside is that I can get too caught up in one practice/study rather than just moving in to the next. I still work in pencil predominantly, but I’ve started using fineliners. I’ve “ruined” some sketches but also made some really cool ones. It definitely helps with pulling you out of that perfectionist mindset c:
i can’t emphasize how much taking the time to include ink in my drawing tools highlighted things to make me improve. it was discouraging at first but over time I could see what what has happening to my art NOT in pen, when i took the time to draw in pen. it improved like no question . i’m so glad u made this
for me it was the opposite, i got addicted instantly, it made me love drawing even more, just feel my absolute passion for it, and im literally seeing instant results, and i feel like i could draw for hours and hours at the time if i want to. but i would've gone completely ham at it if life responsobilites didn't hold me back.
Ive been playing and teaching guitar since the 70s ..... ive been drawing since the seventies too but never took a lesson . One of my students was a commercial artist and i asked him if he could help me . He told me to buy a bunch of paper and fill it all with pencil .....i still think thats great advice . It led to painting and im still at it . Recntly I bought some foutain pens and comic book pens .i ran into your 5 shapes vid and I have to say it is a really great lesson.Not only are you a great artist but a great teacher as well . Im happy to find you on the internet . Im gonna subscribe . 😊
I agree with everything you said one thousand percent 😭 when I sketched with a pencil, I am hyper aware of how many times I’m erasing just to get one stroke right. It felt frustrating knowing it took so long just to finish one drawing. I learnt that purely drawing with digital will make you too attached to one single drawing without improvement-you try to fix every little detail, you transform a limb just to make it a bit smaller. I thought drawing in traditional was the answer to my problems, but by drawing with a pencil, I’m almost emulating that perfectionism from digital already. This was such an eye-opener, it made so much sense why I wasn’t improving my draftsmanship and why I drew so slow. You’re genuinely so awesome for helping out artists and their journey, you’re easily my biggest inspiration!! Thank you so much for making this video :>>
LETS GO!! Thank you for your comment, it also was so eye opening, and makes a lot of sense! I had a similar experience and never realised why I didn’t gravitate toward pencil or digital very much! I’m so glad to hear that you find my videos helpful- thank you.
This is true. I draw with pencil often because I like the look and feel of graphite and of colored pencils, but I'm splitting my current sketchbook 50/50. If I draw with a pencil in one sketch, I have to draw the next one in pen. It's just a sketchbook -- they aren't meant to be perfect, and if you make a mistake in pen once, perhaps you won't make it the next time.
honestly,this works really well for specific type of beginners too. i am really experienced and gotten good at many different skills before,so when i started drawing,i expected some results,but i just cant apply any of the skills ive learned before(sure,i can deconstruct things and set up a learning routine etc,but that doesnt help in the moment,that is just long term progress) so trying to begin ANY art work is incredibly difficult. so i am going to get bad results,might as well get them fast without worrying about erasing them or anything. its kind of contradictory,but, when you know youre going to fail,but you cant do anything about it at that moment,then its way easier to start actually doing something than if you know youre going to fail and worrying about how you can fix it.
As a beginner artist, your content has been helping me a lot. Easily one of my favorite content creators when it comes to improving art skills. Keep up the good work and post more 🙏🏾
"Pencil allows you to not know what you're drawing the first time..." That is seriously the perfect way of putting it. Pen forces not only your motor skills to improve but your actual mental concept of what you're even drawing in the first place
agree with everything, I just switched and Im not going back until I finally assume the control of my lines. Pencil stimulates reckless behavior, drawing before you can think. I decided I want to be better, and now Im drawing box people and box environments in perspective. When I finish it I expect my proportions and line confidence will skyrocket my abilities
Half a day of doing this, and I already see a huge difference in my work. It's improved my line confidence and speed, and each line is now a clear decision I can refer back to and learn from.
This advice is so so good, when i look at a ball point pen and think to miself "Why if i use this pen?" and boom, My lines become more fluid and i can draw more and more better than what i draw using a pencil.
Great video, I agree with the points you made, I like ink and working with it but there's always a sense of fear of ruining a whole piece because of a few wrong lines, but you helped me understand that confidence is key, so thanks!
That's so true I've been struggling to draw with a pencil constantly worried about each line or structure,but after i used a pen everything becomes clear you just gotta challenge yourself everyday!
i agree wholeheartedly 😭😭 when i sketch buildings with a pen its sloppy but like correct. when i use a pencil im too busy erasing and correcting and then im mentally exhausted and unmotivated to finish it by the end.
I was just talking about this yesterday. As a beginner it wasn't that fun drawing boxes for weeks with a pen. I then put a pencil and paper in the living room for when I want to draw without the pressure of thinking about line commitment or clearing my desk. I still do both, but as a hobby and not a profession, it's easy to forget that the goal is to also have fun. I'll definitely put a pen in there too now
i like this idea alot, as much as i like drawing digitally i always found physically drawing on a paper very appealing as mistakes are slightly harder to fix and just using a pen only amplifies those mistakes
I love my pencil! It ghosts when I erase it so I can still see what I did that needed correcting while giving me the confidence to see that I was able to fix the parts I wasn’t happy with. Best of both worlds! 😊
i agree so much with everything you said. and its funny 'cause even drawing with pens, brush pens, brush in traditional, when i come back to digital i always return with my perfectionism, in most of the time pressing ctrl + z to adjust my mistakes. my english may not be good, sorry, (i'm still learning, lol) but i hope you guys have understood what i said
I like to place a time limit on every sketch, usually no longer than 15 minutes. Having a hard limit forces me to draw forward and expose flaws for improvement in the next attempt.
And so do I. I only use pencil for creating thumbnails and silhouette for some character designs and it would be too messy. Hereinafter, I will draw the character separately with sakura pigma fine liner. I should buy a dip pen too but it's too expensive for a student like me😅 studying in a school. With my experience...using a pen(fine liners not ball or gel) happens to be a great help for improving my line quality. Also, it helps you to enhance your inking ability. Use pens and forget pencils...it will help you to attain patience and improvement in your repertoire, my dear fellows.😊 Though anatomy is important..better understand it😬😬 I know stuffs about it. And yeah! Practice with pen no and no pencils!!!!
The sooner you do it the sooner you get to the point where it is fun. I've been pen only for 13 months now and it was truly the best thing I ever did for myself. First few weeks kinda sucked. First few months was messy and still kind of frustrating. Then I noticed how much smoother my line-work was getting and how I was learning to do construction with indication rather then draw full construction lines which just makes sketching/drawing cleaner overall. Now I have no desire to draw with anything but pen. Unless I want to add color then I'll add in some marker or watercolor
to be honest, that’s what you find out as you try it! Those are skills you can only build through doing. If you just pick up a pen and try to draw, those answers will come if you’re willing to bear through the discomfort!
personally i don't think it matters, it's a different medium that is in one way more unforgiving but is also a lot more forgiving because it is that high contrast so things look better because there is a higher contrast and people perceive high contrast to be pleasing by virtue of simply being high contrast. if you just want to get better at being more precise and care more about the lines then don't use erasers. but the pencil can do something the pen can't do in the same way and that's soft edges, it's a whole different way of working which actually is a lot of fun but it is different. however with that said there's something about pens and dealing only with clear hard edges, it forces you to think of negative space in a more binary way which can really change how you view things and treat subject matters that could help you in a subtle way dealing with points of interests in an image as it's just a lot more clear cut what is and isn't important and how you can influence that in a very direct way. as for practice, i think the best practice is done deliberately in working towards a very specific goal, let's say you are gonna make a painting, the best way i find to do it is to take it slow and meticulously, you do fast thumbnails of rough ideas, you take a few of those and elaborate on those, you pick one of those and work out the kinks and make the initial painting sketch and then work on the painting over several sessions with even more revisions and elaborations, this is a very intimate process of the subject matter that let's you get a real deep dive into the whole spectrum of things that goes into the process and tackling problems that arise with it. just sitting and sketching a ton of things is fun and you do learn somethings but it doesn't translate into a refined painting by itself and personally i think it's just another level of procrastination. as they say the best way to make a painting is by painting one.
Imao for sketch I’m using KOH-I-NOOR versatil 5340, but only for rough sketch when I have many ideas in my mind or trying something completely new. The rest is just a pan, markers, paints and other indelible things
Ooh these are good points! In the beginning ish of my art journey, I initially work with pencil and colored pencils to learn the fundamentals. Then I happen to come across one Proko's vids abt kim jung gi. I was really inspired by his works and knowledge of 3d space!! so I transitioned into using pen. And I still see mistake but that's okay tho since I can clearly see them with pen and know what to improve on for next time :D (english not my first language sorry)
I've been doing this since a while now too. I decided to set that challenge in order to better myself at portrait without using guidelines.The idea came from my college times as an undergraduate in math and physics: There was a teacher who would not accept our tests if they were done on pencil. Writing out proofs which involved coming up with creative calculations really made that condition a hurdle at first. Needless to say it was really hard to pass any exam from that given teacher (and I did not pass) but it is a tip I kept for my drawing skills and math. Totally recommended !!
I always loved pen, just such strong lines yet you can also be delicate and shade with it. I accept my mistakes yet still continue, learn from it and correct it next time. Even with light parts of pen, you don't do chicken scratches, I just draw a thinner line, lift up the pen, and then put it back down for a continuation of that thin line and into a normal line. That teaches you line weight. Hmm, I don't really consider it a hard medium to use tho. Its easy to use, just need to learn how to be confident and get used to not erasing, you'll be fine. It takes a lot of pressure off not worrying about perfection and makes me want to fill up sketchbooks.
hey bro i love your video it is super helpful, am preparing for an exam it is like design related, it doesn't really ask very good drawing but a good idea and like from imagination.. i have always been using refrences for my drawing and i draw pretty good but when it comes to drawing with imagination its just difficult i did watch your drawing from imagination and please post more of it
Imo, starting with a cheap ballpoint pen first might help some artists have an easier time into using pens more and gaining confidence with them. With ballpoint pens, there's ways to lightly add underlying layers/adding a primary sketch by relinquishing the pressure before adding hatching/crosshatching/lineart with more pressure. Plus, they're cheaper to get and can be something artists experiment with before saving up for other pens they can use. ^^
I used to draw with pencil but ever since I entered high school, they started to use pen to write, ever since that I've been using pen more to draw because I thought it's quicker, didn't knew it helps my confidence line :D
I use a pencil that leaves ghosting behind when erased so I can still see my previous attempts. My pencil is working great for me 😊 Edit to point out that using a pencil that ghosts will help you see what you erased while also helping to feel more confident with what you corrected.
Not in a year 😅 I think it’s like 2 years. Also I fill out a bunch of pages from like gestures and “throwaway stuff”. It honestly might be a waste of good paper haha.
'I kept my pencils dull and drew small because it allowed me to blame the size and medium for my lack of knowledge' as i was drawing with a pencil you said that i dropped it and picked up my pen i generally prefer drawing small but could never explain why im going to stick with the pens for now and learn like you said and not duck my problems like i used to
Ok your editing is MASSIVELY better this vid! Keep it up, somehow listening to you is more relatable than when the pros tell us the same exact things! 😅
There is a trick to gaining confidence with a pen...which is: you can trace your own work and give yourself as many tries and as many construction lines as you want. You don't need special tracing paper, it just needs to be thin. The cheapest subject notebooks will let you trace by flipping over to the reverse side, and I also consider Daiso's calligraphy paper good for this task. If you have one of those $20 USB lightpads, that will be enough to trace even heavier stuff like Bristol paper, although you'll lose some details. The difference is still distinct from a pencil, since you only get one attempt at each trace, and when you start over, sometimes you get the "fresh eyes" effect where you see a lot of proportion errors and make a lot of fixes, and other times, you try again and it looks no better...which means you've learned more precisely where your limits are. I think there's also a correspondence between focusing on ink media as a drawing practice and other physically embodied practices. Two things I started doing recently: building a physical reference binder - stuff you can already download online, just assembled into a PDF of thumbnail collages and traceable templates and put in plastic sleeves - and zine-making, which I did when some of the prints didn't turn out and I thought to convert the back side into booklets. The reference binder is mostly typical subjects like anatomy, animals, figure poses or character design ideas, but the process of building it gets me paying attention to my own tastes and curating pages I want to use over and over instead of leaning on "just type in words and see what comes up". The zinemaking aspect lets me reframe what the sketchbook is meant to do, because I can put a title on the cover of each zine to instantly add some structure, and the structure is intentionally limited and short-form - it can use nice paper and a larger format if I want, but it invites me to be deliberate and make every page relate to the title.
@@figard9855 Still doesn't make sense to me. I draw in pen. Most of my drawing really. But use pencil. Add water color sometimes. Marker too. To clarify I'm not getting the stuck using one thing or the other and nothing else mentality. But you do you. Have fun with it.
Great art. Can you please make a video on shading or rendering? I get so confused by that, and atleast no free resource explains it well. Not simple shading or the kind where everything is blended in, but the kind where you can see the pencil lines
I will keep this in mind! I will say, your ability to render is wholly dependent on your ability to understand the form you are aiming to depict. So start with the volumes in mind. If you haven’t seen it, I think my box video might be relevant to elaborate on this.
Love your videos man, keep it up! But I was wondering if know any good exercises to improve perspective/form as i see your work and I'm amazed at all the development you have made as I also want to grow at a good rate like you but with actually good exercises/ techniques to grow my skills. And yes I have seen one of your previous videos touching on this topic (which was also very helpful) but I just wanted any other tips you may have. And sorry for the long question but I just wanted to ask you and see what you have to say.
No problem, good question. This is a topic I'll elaborate on in another video but here's an exercise; draw the alphabets. Rotate them as block letters. This is essentially an advancement of the box rotation, except you are altering the box with somewhat basic manipulations. It's really the basic that's pay off exponentially. It's stuff you can find in basic drawing course: practice your cylinders, place them together in space on a horizon line. Remember that drawing is THINKING. If you are just putting lines down, youre not getting the most out of your efforts. Think about what every stroke means, what ever form you draw means in context to the view you are seeing them from. Consider everything you draw as a real, volumetric form. If you can't do that, observe these basic forms in the real world until their workings are intutive to you. Then you can apply those simplifications to more complex objects- then your'e drawing from imagination. My next video will go in depth on this process so stay tuned. Hope this helped.
When you draw with a pen, you are forced to think about the shape in three dimensions in your head to avoid making mistakes. That is why it helps with drawing.
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How does this apply to construction? With pen the layers become difficult to distinguish as they build up. Am I just supposed to forget about construction?
Not really, Peter Han often says that you can add to the construction with stronger lines and color , and eventually construction will lose its visual relevance.
Also, you will eventually construct in subtlr manners that the viewer wont notice. Kim Jung Gi does that by using the brows and forehead to hint at himself how to construct the face angles and orientation
just use light pressure also the more u use pen the less u need construction. u start seeing construction lines nd patterns in your head
You don't have to construct with full lines. You can construct with indications that you deem necessary. Such as when you want a cube. You can indicate the corners of the cube with little marks instead of drawing it fully.
I think you can use pen only in your practice sketchbook. then when you are doing fine works of art, you can go ahead and use your pencil and construction lines. I know that’s not what he said, but that’s what I would recommend. Pen for practice, pencil for artwork.
Yeah, what vitormorae said. Part of the process as the artist is to learn how to navigate the balance between construction and ink. The hope is that, knowing how cluttered your image looks with so many construction lines teaches you how to work with less lines, and visualize more. This ability taken to an extreme is why Peter Han and Kim Jung Gi can do what they do.
I'm pretty much still a beginner, I filled a 75 page sketchbook with pencil drawings in 4 months, mostly practicing hands. I made the mistake of drawing from reference a lot without actually deconstructing it which you explained in another video - no wonder I felt stuck. Your advice seems to be spot on, I feel like my understanding of art improved and I have new input on what I need to work on. I want to be able to draw from imagination so bad, but I'm still struggling with it a lot. But now I feel like I know how to approach this. I'm also going to draw with a pen from now on, let's see where this takes me. Great advice, I subbed.
I'm almost 70 and have drawn my entire life, this is the best advice I've ever heard.
I’m honoured to hear that. Thank you.
I'm 60 and I have to agree. I'm going to start doing this.
Love to hear you still have arts' desire still aflame.
I just like how he got to the main point in the first 30 seconds that made me stay for the whole video. This is something most youtubers miss, so even if their content is great i just click off because they are boring or making it too long, appreciate this bro
don't force yourself to use a pen, this only creates frustration because you don't have the knowledge of someone like kim jung gi. Besides, he used pencil too, he only switched to pen when he saw it wasn't for good use anymore.
I think what he said made sense tho but so were yours. So i think the best way is to switch between pen and pencil occasionally.
I "forced" myself to use a pen. It creates no more frustration then pencil. Rubbing hole in your paper with an eraser is even more frustrating then just acknowledging your mistake and moving on to the next drawing like you tend to do with pen. Best thing you can do for yourself is "force" yourself to use a pen.
@@ducksoff7236 true, but there's people that don't understand why you should use pen in the first place so that's why i made this comment. There's no crime in using a pencil you just have to let that idea of a perfect drawing go away, otherwise you'll just be doing "ctrl + Z" IRL lol.
Yeah cause Kim Jung Gi already mastered the Constructions of basic shapes and perspectives and also anatomy, also he's done lots of drawings for years and years his image library + observation is superb.... anyways I like the Idea of using a pen its a real challenge but I think Ill go with pencil I love the part where I have to sharpen pencils haha..
You are right. Peter Han recommends the pen, its just his method, its not the only method for drawing. A pen will give you certain types of lines, a pencil will give you other types of lines. there is not one better than the other. You can even draw with gouache and brush producing surface shapes instead of working lines. It will give your style other characteristics.
Clear lines, perspective, anatomy are not universal art objectives one must dominate to make good art. They are variables within a broader spectrum, dominating them will give you more tools for expressing yourself but obsessing over them will just make you draw like those artists, nothing original.
great points because drawing with a pen develops line confidence.
Yes! Thank you!
@@brokendrawPLEASE HELP..WHAT IF I suffer from depression abd ADD and seeing TOO MANY BAD DRAWINGS MAKES ME TOO ANGRY AND DEPRESSED AND I CANNOT FREAKING TAKE IT. HOW CAN I MINIMIZE THIS PLEASE AND HOW CAN I FEEL GREATLY TALENTED ABDMAKE IT MOSTLY ENJOYABLE?? Hope to hear from you.
@@leif1075you have to forgive yourself for your mistakes, both in life and in art. You can’t learn from your mistakes if your head is filled with self hatred. Acknowledge your mistakes, forgive yourself, and move forward.
@@leif1075 For me, the point where I started to improve was when I didn't like my drawing I began to tell myself ''Well this shit sucks. Move on to the next one.'' I continued to draw even if my drawings were shit. Yes, it was hard for me too, but otherwise, you won't improve. Just be like ''Yeah this part looks like shit, I'll try to improve it next time.'' Sometimes it is not gonna be fun or sometimes you will be depressed but the only way to progress is by working hard. Don't push yourself too much, though; there are times you should take a break. And you shouldn't compare yourself with others. You may be inspired by or learn from them, but comparing yourself in a discouraging way is never it.
no not really you can easily develop line confidence with a pencile
this is for digital artists too, stop ctrl+z everything 👀
That’s a fact… 👀
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@@brokendrawThanks for sharing so much. Hope you can respond to my other comme t when you can and cam you PLEASE SHARE how tp make this process funa nd enjoyable mostly PLEASE..Is an hour or 2 a day generally enough?
I can honestly say I never ever press the Ctrl-Z 😊
I tap the screen with two fingers (bad joke, bad joke sorry 😅)
@@1sloothank you, ctrl + Z takes too long to press lol
“Mistakes are the catalyst of learning.” This is so true.
Ngl, I was going to stop the video about twenty seconds in, but decided to hear it out and you raise some great points. I like to correct mistakes that I make after spotting them though, which I find works well for me when I’m trying to learn something-the only downside is that I can get too caught up in one practice/study rather than just moving in to the next. I still work in pencil predominantly, but I’ve started using fineliners. I’ve “ruined” some sketches but also made some really cool ones. It definitely helps with pulling you out of that perfectionist mindset c:
Awesome to hear you ended up enjoying the video! Perfectionism is the ultimate growth ender for sure…
i can’t emphasize how much taking the time to include ink in my drawing tools highlighted things to make me improve. it was discouraging at first but over time I could see what what has happening to my art NOT in pen, when i took the time to draw in pen. it improved like no question . i’m so glad u made this
✊ facts.
for me it was the opposite, i got addicted instantly, it made me love drawing even more, just feel my absolute passion for it, and im literally seeing instant results, and i feel like i could draw for hours and hours at the time if i want to.
but i would've gone completely ham at it if life responsobilites didn't hold me back.
Ive been playing and teaching guitar since the 70s ..... ive been drawing since the seventies too but never took a lesson . One of my students was a commercial artist and i asked him if he could help me . He told me to buy a bunch of paper and fill it all with pencil .....i still think thats great advice . It led to painting and im still at it . Recntly I bought some foutain pens and comic book pens .i ran into your 5 shapes vid and I have to say it is a really great lesson.Not only are you a great artist but a great teacher as well . Im happy to find you on the internet . Im gonna subscribe . 😊
Thank you so much Chuck! I'm glad you found your way to this recess of the internet! Welcome to the channel.
😊 So cool you responded . I'm really enjoying the lessons
I agree with everything you said one thousand percent 😭 when I sketched with a pencil, I am hyper aware of how many times I’m erasing just to get one stroke right. It felt frustrating knowing it took so long just to finish one drawing.
I learnt that purely drawing with digital will make you too attached to one single drawing without improvement-you try to fix every little detail, you transform a limb just to make it a bit smaller. I thought drawing in traditional was the answer to my problems, but by drawing with a pencil, I’m almost emulating that perfectionism from digital already.
This was such an eye-opener, it made so much sense why I wasn’t improving my draftsmanship and why I drew so slow. You’re genuinely so awesome for helping out artists and their journey, you’re easily my biggest inspiration!! Thank you so much for making this video :>>
LETS GO!! Thank you for your comment, it also was so eye opening, and makes a lot of sense! I had a similar experience and never realised why I didn’t gravitate toward pencil or digital very much! I’m so glad to hear that you find my videos helpful- thank you.
This is true. I draw with pencil often because I like the look and feel of graphite and of colored pencils, but I'm splitting my current sketchbook 50/50. If I draw with a pencil in one sketch, I have to draw the next one in pen. It's just a sketchbook -- they aren't meant to be perfect, and if you make a mistake in pen once, perhaps you won't make it the next time.
honestly,this works really well for specific type of beginners too.
i am really experienced and gotten good at many different skills before,so when i started drawing,i expected some results,but i just cant apply any of the skills ive learned before(sure,i can deconstruct things and set up a learning routine etc,but that doesnt help in the moment,that is just long term progress)
so trying to begin ANY art work is incredibly difficult.
so i am going to get bad results,might as well get them fast without worrying about erasing them or anything.
its kind of contradictory,but, when you know youre going to fail,but you cant do anything about it at that moment,then its way easier to start actually doing something than if you know youre going to fail and worrying about how you can fix it.
As a beginner artist, your content has been helping me a lot. Easily one of my favorite content creators when it comes to improving art skills. Keep up the good work and post more 🙏🏾
will do! thank you!
"Pencil allows you to not know what you're drawing the first time..." That is seriously the perfect way of putting it. Pen forces not only your motor skills to improve but your actual mental concept of what you're even drawing in the first place
agree with everything, I just switched and Im not going back until I finally assume the control of my lines. Pencil stimulates reckless behavior, drawing before you can think. I decided I want to be better, and now Im drawing box people and box environments in perspective. When I finish it I expect my proportions and line confidence will skyrocket my abilities
YES! I expect you will see great results!
Half a day of doing this, and I already see a huge difference in my work. It's improved my line confidence and speed, and each line is now a clear decision I can refer back to and learn from.
Let’s go!! That’s great to hear. Keep it up!
i haven't been inspired like i am now in a while, you made me realize exactly how i've been holding myself back for so long
thank you 🙏
This advice is so so good, when i look at a ball point pen and think to miself "Why if i use this pen?" and boom, My lines become more fluid and i can draw more and more better than what i draw using a pencil.
You are so right, I've only been taking your advice for a week, and I already see SO much improvement, free gold right here ❤✨️👌🏾
Great video, I agree with the points you made, I like ink and working with it but there's always a sense of fear of ruining a whole piece because of a few wrong lines, but you helped me understand that confidence is key, so thanks!
I really enjoy your presentations for the verbal descriptions as well as the drawing.
Thank you for this advice,probably the most important of all, not to erase, accept mistakes and learn from them.
The thing that’s very cool with your videos is that you go straight to the point! Keep going I love your channel ✨✨
Thank you! I’m glad you like the way I make my videos. Welcome!
From what it sounds like as you draw with pen you become more confident with your lines and the chicken scratches go away.
Yes! That’s it!
I started drawing with a pen. Now I'm drawing with a pencil first. And I've never been so adventurous in my drawings.
That's awesome!
Definately, I was heartbroken when Kim died. After working digital for a year gone back to ballpoint, but have many other pens.
That's so true I've been struggling to draw with a pencil constantly worried about each line or structure,but after i used a pen everything becomes clear you just gotta challenge yourself everyday!
That’s it! Just do hard things tbh!
Thank you for the advice sir. I'm grateful that these videos are free!
i agree wholeheartedly 😭😭 when i sketch buildings with a pen its sloppy but like correct. when i use a pencil im too busy erasing and correcting and then im mentally exhausted and unmotivated to finish it by the end.
Yeah🥰🥰 it's so beautiful when I make mistakes that can't be erased🥰🥰🥰❣️❣️❣️❣️❣️
I was just talking about this yesterday. As a beginner it wasn't that fun drawing boxes for weeks with a pen.
I then put a pencil and paper in the living room for when I want to draw without the pressure of thinking about line commitment or clearing my desk.
I still do both, but as a hobby and not a profession, it's easy to forget that the goal is to also have fun. I'll definitely put a pen in there too now
It's a good thing to remind yourself of the fun factor, that’s something I didn’t mention and I wish I did.
@@brokendraw There's always another video to make. keep up the good work
man i LOVE your content so much please make more if you find time
Will do! Thank you.
i like this idea alot, as much as i like drawing digitally i always found physically drawing on a paper very appealing as mistakes are slightly harder to fix and just using a pen only amplifies those mistakes
Yes! I found I was attracted to physical mediums for that reason. It forces you to think ahead of the line, which helps in the long run!
You make really good videos about art and I hope you keep making more 😁
Will do. thank you.
I love my pencil! It ghosts when I erase it so I can still see what I did that needed correcting while giving me the confidence to see that I was able to fix the parts I wasn’t happy with. Best of both worlds! 😊
try pen
i agree so much with everything you said. and its funny 'cause even drawing with pens, brush pens, brush in traditional, when i come back to digital i always return with my perfectionism, in most of the time pressing ctrl + z to adjust my mistakes.
my english may not be good, sorry, (i'm still learning, lol) but i hope you guys have understood what i said
no, well said! I think it’s something we all struggle with online! Sometimes I double tap my paper to go back cuz I’m used to procreate… 😭
Facts, I started drawing on my Boox, using the pen feature with various widths. My art LITERALLY transformed in one sketch.
This is so helpful, I'm glad I found your channel! :)
getting your channel on my feed was a godsend dude
0:32 subbing because you put the 3 goats together, no one ever puts the three goats together
I like to place a time limit on every sketch, usually no longer than 15 minutes. Having a hard limit forces me to draw forward and expose flaws for improvement in the next attempt.
good idea! I can see how it forces you to make decisions on your feet.
Amazing insight, goes for digital art too.
Using a pencil is like using training wheels on your bike
That’s it!
And so do I.
I only use pencil for creating thumbnails and silhouette for some character designs and it would be too messy. Hereinafter, I will draw the character separately with sakura pigma fine liner.
I should buy a dip pen too but it's too expensive for a student like me😅 studying in a school.
With my experience...using a pen(fine liners not ball or gel) happens to be a great help for improving my line quality.
Also, it helps you to enhance your inking ability.
Use pens and forget pencils...it will help you to attain patience and improvement in your repertoire, my dear fellows.😊
Though anatomy is important..better understand it😬😬 I know stuffs about it.
And yeah! Practice with pen no and no pencils!!!!
Thank you so much, this doesn't sound fun ... But in terms of the learning curve itself that's what I want the most
The sooner you do it the sooner you get to the point where it is fun. I've been pen only for 13 months now and it was truly the best thing I ever did for myself. First few weeks kinda sucked. First few months was messy and still kind of frustrating. Then I noticed how much smoother my line-work was getting and how I was learning to do construction with indication rather then draw full construction lines which just makes sketching/drawing cleaner overall. Now I have no desire to draw with anything but pen. Unless I want to add color then I'll add in some marker or watercolor
Yo Amma sub, heard this many times, nut this guy made me understand why I should, RESPECT
Respect to you 👊
Okay, I tried it. I agree. Thank you ❤
heck yea!
You are a great teacher, you explain in a very clear way, English is not my 1st language and it's so you helpful, thank you ❤
Thank you! 😃 I’m so glad you found it helpful!
I sat in the corner and cried a quarter to buy a pencil just to find out I don't need it😢
hahahaha
how do we draw with a pen, what questions do we ask before laying the pen down? what part do we draw first so the pen lines wont overlap each other
to be honest, that’s what you find out as you try it! Those are skills you can only build through doing. If you just pick up a pen and try to draw, those answers will come if you’re willing to bear through the discomfort!
Super informative video thank you 👍🏻
Thanks for watching!
Your videos are great man, I'm going to buy some pens haha
🥳🥳 thank you man I recommend a felt tip pen and a fine liner!
Great insight! Been drawing with ink myself, and it felt like i was improving faster, but i couldnt tell why
personally i don't think it matters, it's a different medium that is in one way more unforgiving but is also a lot more forgiving because it is that high contrast so things look better because there is a higher contrast and people perceive high contrast to be pleasing by virtue of simply being high contrast.
if you just want to get better at being more precise and care more about the lines then don't use erasers.
but the pencil can do something the pen can't do in the same way and that's soft edges, it's a whole different way of working which actually is a lot of fun but it is different.
however with that said there's something about pens and dealing only with clear hard edges, it forces you to think of negative space in a more binary way which can really change how you view things and treat subject matters that could help you in a subtle way dealing with points of interests in an image as it's just a lot more clear cut what is and isn't important and how you can influence that in a very direct way.
as for practice, i think the best practice is done deliberately in working towards a very specific goal, let's say you are gonna make a painting, the best way i find to do it is to take it slow and meticulously, you do fast thumbnails of rough ideas, you take a few of those and elaborate on those, you pick one of those and work out the kinks and make the initial painting sketch and then work on the painting over several sessions with even more revisions and elaborations, this is a very intimate process of the subject matter that let's you get a real deep dive into the whole spectrum of things that goes into the process and tackling problems that arise with it.
just sitting and sketching a ton of things is fun and you do learn somethings but it doesn't translate into a refined painting by itself and personally i think it's just another level of procrastination.
as they say the best way to make a painting is by painting one.
Great points! There's definitely strengths and weaknesses to each medium!
This video is *very* convincing. Guess I’ll try it out now.
love to hear it!
Imao for sketch I’m using KOH-I-NOOR versatil 5340, but only for rough sketch when I have many ideas in my mind or trying something completely new. The rest is just a pan, markers, paints and other indelible things
Ooh these are good points! In the beginning ish of my art journey, I initially work with pencil and colored pencils to learn the fundamentals. Then I happen to come across one Proko's vids abt kim jung gi. I was really inspired by his works and knowledge of 3d space!! so I transitioned into using pen. And I still see mistake but that's okay tho since I can clearly see them with pen and know what to improve on for next time :D (english not my first language sorry)
That's it! That Kim Jung Gi video convinced me too hahaha
I've been doing this since a while now too. I decided to set that challenge in order to better myself at portrait without using guidelines.The idea came from my college times as an undergraduate in math and physics:
There was a teacher who would not accept our tests if they were done on pencil. Writing out proofs which involved coming up with creative calculations really made that condition a hurdle at first. Needless to say it was really hard to pass any exam from that given teacher (and I did not pass) but it is a tip I kept for my drawing skills and math. Totally recommended !!
Woah! Cool to hear how other creative fields influence each other! Thanks for the insight.
Hy! I bought a sketchbook a few weeks ago... I'm gonna trust your words, and try drawing only with my pen
oooh good luck! Stick with it even if you hate it for a bit!
I always loved pen, just such strong lines yet you can also be delicate and shade with it. I accept my mistakes yet still continue, learn from it and correct it next time. Even with light parts of pen, you don't do chicken scratches, I just draw a thinner line, lift up the pen, and then put it back down for a continuation of that thin line and into a normal line. That teaches you line weight.
Hmm, I don't really consider it a hard medium to use tho. Its easy to use, just need to learn how to be confident and get used to not erasing, you'll be fine. It takes a lot of pressure off not worrying about perfection and makes me want to fill up sketchbooks.
Yes! That's it. I think it's more hard on your mentality than it is on your hand.
Brilliant, thank you!
Spitting facts. It all makes sense now.
Also, exploratory lines look good in a drawing, there's no need to hide them.
hey bro i love your video it is super helpful, am preparing for an exam it is like design related, it doesn't really ask very good drawing but a good idea and like from imagination.. i have always been using refrences for my drawing and i draw pretty good but when it comes to drawing with imagination its just difficult i did watch your drawing from imagination and please post more of it
Thank you! I will definitely continue to post more videos! Good luck on your exam!
@@brokendraw thanksss broo
I love drawing in pen. Pencil was my first baby but pen is my current favorite.
Nice vid ! Subscribed
We need a video about the animation exercices you do at Sheridan bro 🙏
Imo, starting with a cheap ballpoint pen first might help some artists have an easier time into using pens more and gaining confidence with them. With ballpoint pens, there's ways to lightly add underlying layers/adding a primary sketch by relinquishing the pressure before adding hatching/crosshatching/lineart with more pressure. Plus, they're cheaper to get and can be something artists experiment with before saving up for other pens they can use. ^^
this is a great point!
Using pen only is a fantastic way to train yourselves to think before you draw
I used to draw with pencil but ever since I entered high school, they started to use pen to write, ever since that I've been using pen more to draw because I thought it's quicker, didn't knew it helps my confidence line :D
Pen is very unforgiving, but will force you to learn via trail and error quicker.
Facts.
I use a pencil that leaves ghosting behind when erased so I can still see my previous attempts. My pencil is working great for me 😊
Edit to point out that using a pencil that ghosts will help you see what you erased while also helping to feel more confident with what you corrected.
Your videos are very good !
Thank you 😊
Glad you like them! Thank you so much :)
yeah man this is a huge wake up call for me
Dayum, 10 Sketchbooks in a year?? I need to step up my sketchbook game lol
Not in a year 😅 I think it’s like 2 years. Also I fill out a bunch of pages from like gestures and “throwaway stuff”. It honestly might be a waste of good paper haha.
'I kept my pencils dull and drew small because it allowed me to blame the size and medium for my lack of knowledge' as i was drawing with a pencil you said that i dropped it and picked up my pen i generally prefer drawing small but could never explain why im going to stick with the pens for now and learn like you said and not duck my problems like i used to
Hahaha! That’s awesome. Thanks for letting me know.
Ok your editing is MASSIVELY better this vid! Keep it up, somehow listening to you is more relatable than when the pros tell us the same exact things! 😅
Thank you! You noticed! Had to step it up for you guys ✊
There is a trick to gaining confidence with a pen...which is: you can trace your own work and give yourself as many tries and as many construction lines as you want. You don't need special tracing paper, it just needs to be thin. The cheapest subject notebooks will let you trace by flipping over to the reverse side, and I also consider Daiso's calligraphy paper good for this task. If you have one of those $20 USB lightpads, that will be enough to trace even heavier stuff like Bristol paper, although you'll lose some details.
The difference is still distinct from a pencil, since you only get one attempt at each trace, and when you start over, sometimes you get the "fresh eyes" effect where you see a lot of proportion errors and make a lot of fixes, and other times, you try again and it looks no better...which means you've learned more precisely where your limits are.
I think there's also a correspondence between focusing on ink media as a drawing practice and other physically embodied practices. Two things I started doing recently: building a physical reference binder - stuff you can already download online, just assembled into a PDF of thumbnail collages and traceable templates and put in plastic sleeves - and zine-making, which I did when some of the prints didn't turn out and I thought to convert the back side into booklets.
The reference binder is mostly typical subjects like anatomy, animals, figure poses or character design ideas, but the process of building it gets me paying attention to my own tastes and curating pages I want to use over and over instead of leaning on "just type in words and see what comes up". The zinemaking aspect lets me reframe what the sketchbook is meant to do, because I can put a title on the cover of each zine to instantly add some structure, and the structure is intentionally limited and short-form - it can use nice paper and a larger format if I want, but it invites me to be deliberate and make every page relate to the title.
I do so much smoother with gesture when using pencil though because it doesnt grab the paper. Hah. You are right about the hesitance though.
It’s got its pros, but it’s also got its cons! Good to try it if u usually don’t :)
I absolutely LOVE drawing with a pencil...so it will be really hard to switch to a pen...but thank you
So why would you quit using a pencil? Use pen for practice and sketching. Use a pencil when you just want to draw something.
@ducksoff7236 is right! U don’t have to quit, you can just use both every once in a while.
@ducksoff7236 Yes I know, I meant just for drawing anything really
@@figard9855 Still doesn't make sense to me. I draw in pen. Most of my drawing really. But use pencil. Add water color sometimes. Marker too. To clarify I'm not getting the stuck using one thing or the other and nothing else mentality. But you do you. Have fun with it.
Thank you ❤ it’s make sense 🎉
Fantastic advice
thank you!
I can say that my previous decision to subscribe to this channel holds true once again after watching this new video
KING!
Bro is beautiful
Bic crystal will work with watercolor too.
Your videos have been extremely helpful , very informative advice ! what sketchbook do you use ?
Moleskine Classic! Thank you so much. im glad they are helpful!
is THIS why my art with pen is sm better?
fr, my art with a pen looks better
Great art. Can you please make a video on shading or rendering? I get so confused by that, and atleast no free resource explains it well. Not simple shading or the kind where everything is blended in, but the kind where you can see the pencil lines
I will keep this in mind! I will say, your ability to render is wholly dependent on your ability to understand the form you are aiming to depict. So start with the volumes in mind. If you haven’t seen it, I think my box video might be relevant to elaborate on this.
Love your videos man, keep it up! But I was wondering if know any good exercises to improve perspective/form as i see your work and I'm amazed at all the development you have made as I also want to grow at a good rate like you but with actually good exercises/ techniques to grow my skills. And yes I have seen one of your previous videos touching on this topic (which was also very helpful) but I just wanted any other tips you may have.
And sorry for the long question but I just wanted to ask you and see what you have to say.
No problem, good question. This is a topic I'll elaborate on in another video but here's an exercise; draw the alphabets. Rotate them as block letters. This is essentially an advancement of the box rotation, except you are altering the box with somewhat basic manipulations. It's really the basic that's pay off exponentially. It's stuff you can find in basic drawing course: practice your cylinders, place them together in space on a horizon line. Remember that drawing is THINKING. If you are just putting lines down, youre not getting the most out of your efforts. Think about what every stroke means, what ever form you draw means in context to the view you are seeing them from. Consider everything you draw as a real, volumetric form. If you can't do that, observe these basic forms in the real world until their workings are intutive to you. Then you can apply those simplifications to more complex objects- then your'e drawing from imagination. My next video will go in depth on this process so stay tuned. Hope this helped.
I snapped my pencil, and can’t find a pen.
Hahaahahah, you fell for the oldest trick in the book my friend.
Nice video and very true, perfectionism is a dangerous enemy in any level, to accept the mistakes is a huge part of the process
Good video 😊☺️👍
Thank you.
When you draw with a pen, you are forced to think about the shape in three dimensions in your head to avoid making mistakes. That is why it helps with drawing.
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Sketchbook tour at 25k, neat!
this is great advice, thanks
Glad it was helpful!
That is soo true I have tried using the pen and I got better
Is anyone else actually more scared of drawing with pencil because you’re afraid you won’t get as good?😭
🙋♂️
0:12 I just had a feeling you where gonna break it
you could sense the impending doom...
Of every complain people may have about DaB, i will say it got me comfortable with thinking first, drawing second
5:03 can someone tell me what sketchbook is that
In the description! Moleskine.