the thing people keep missing about united in 2013-14 is that the decline started much earlier like people forget that in 2012 man u got 3rd and out of the group stage of the champions league, in a group with benfica, basel and some unkown romanian club before getting schooled home and away by athletic bilbao in the europa league, as welk as losing to mancini's city 6-1 in old trafford the signs were shown much earlier, but sir alex kept winning trophies with a squad of johnny evans, phil jones, danny welbeck and some old washed legends, so no one batted an eye, but turned out, it was because of sir alex's genius that the team kept that team going and winning the premier league, and the years after proved that
That 2012/13 squad is the worst to ever win the PL, imo. They were awful, but they had Fergie's winning mentality, so they scraped through when other, better, teams lost their way.
Moyes is not a bad manager, it's just that the job was too big for him and Ferguson left him with an ageing and generally average team. While other teams like Man City were building for the future, United were slow to bring through the next generation of players.
@@riichobamin7612 u sure abt dat? sir ale literally won the league with smalling, phil jones and fucking johnny evans bro at the back and van persie was already aging after they won the league
@@Ore.31-r2b dude. It is VERY simple, if a team wins the League, that too a competitive league like the Premier League, then no way in Hell is that team "average". Winning the League by definition bestows the title of the "best team in the country" on you. That is literally NOT AVERAGE.
@@Ore.31-r2b also you are calling the team "average" by just mentioning the players you think are average, while COMPLETELY ignoring the fact that that team ACTUALLY won the League.
It's probably hard for younger fans to understand just how good Moyes' reputation was at the time (as it pretty much torpedoed after United). The job he did at Everton is quite possibly the greatest piece of long term managerial work in PL history! This was a time where the top 4 of United, Chelsea, Arsenal & Liverpool was totally locked down, with City later gate crashing. He got a team that was stranded in the lower/bottom half for a decade & brought them to a place where a quality striker would've seen them seriously threaten that monopoly & he did it operating with virtually no resources. Every older fan of these top 4 clubs will remember how seriously the fixture away to Everton was taken. A win was a sigh of relief & taken as a notch on the belt.
Moyes' Everton team is definitely forgotten by younger fans. United fan here, and we absolutely hated Everton away every season. Constantly between 7th and 5th and 4th one season. With a packet of crisps and two loose shoelaces for a transfer budget. And Moyes' Everton Vs Allardyce's Bolton was great.
MAN it’s been a minute since you’ve done a retrospective video like this, I always thought they were some of the best vids on your channel. Please make more of them!!
Ed Woodward was undoubtedly the one that killed United post Ferguson. Ruined the sponsorships, despite the myth, sponsorships grew much slower under him and were were overtaken in revenue. Had absolutely no skill in buying players. Set us so far back!
The only positive thing from Moyes season was how United managed to get into UCL quarter finals, top of their group with 12 points, a 2nd leg comeback against Olympiacos via a Van Persie Hattrick and could have gone into possible semi final, and that's pretty much it
The players that Moyes DID want were players like Marouane Fellaini so it wouldn't have made a difference if he had gotten every single player that he wanted. They were players probably good enough for Everton and fine if the aim was to avoid relegation or try and reach midtable
@@PretendMe stop saying what you don't know, he wanted fabregas, who later went to Chelsea, he wanted bale, Alcantara, am not sure if modric was his target or Alex but we only got fellaini because of the incompetence of the new ceo or so
Getting rid of all the coaches was a stupid first move…….replacing a world class team of coaches (who took care of training and a large part of the tactical work), and replacing them with his own team of coaches who had didn’t have the experience working with players like that, and weren’t proven winners. Then he dithered in the transfer market massively, not giving the go ahead on players that had already been lined up for him, as well as being indecisive on his own targets to the point he lost them to other clubs. He set himself up badly before the season even started. I also think his mentality was suited to being the underdog, and instead of trying to make the transition to having a mentality suited for United, you could almost see him week by week shifting United from a winning mentality to an underdog one - psychologically it was like he just couldn’t see himself as a winning manager of a dominant team, and just reverted back to scrappy underdog. There were loads of other issues that had started to seap through the cracks during the end of Sir Alex’s reign, with the club being handled appalling on the football front, with people in positions (Woodward being the biggest villain here), that they had no experience in, and arrogantly making misstep after misstep - thinking that their success as businessmen would somehow transfer into the football side of things. Utterly clueless. So Moyes didn’t come into a healthy club, but he made it so much worse for himself with key decisions he made; I think even if he’d been the right manager, kept the staff on and made good signings it may have been quite different, but the rot would have eventually shown anyway
Coaches left, they weren't got "rid off" nor were they "world class". Rene left because he wanted to be No1, Phelan left because Rene got offered an assistant role first. The rest were ageing or behind the times. Why do people still not know?
@ A coaching team that had gotten to three champions league finals, won the league all those times and coached world class players, wasn’t a world class coaching team? Who tf is then? Moyes did get rid of the coaching staff, that’s not an opinion, it’s a well documented thing. Fergie talked about it, saying it was a mistake that he’d advised Moyes not to make. Several of the coaching staff that were let go talked about it in the press. Muelensteen left because of what Moyes was doing. He said this himself, that he left because he saw Moyes getting rid of the staff, knew it would be a disaster, and that his own position would be changed, so he left. I’m sure those articles, with those quotes are readily available via a Google search. What the fuck are you on about? Such a weird position to take over something that is really very well documented 🤷♂️.
Thing is, a head coach does need his own men. For example, Mourinho brought Rui Faria everywhere he went to. Pochettino had Miguel D'Agostino. Ancelotti had Pintus and his son Davide. Not necessary nepotism, but because those men were in the know of the head coach's demand. A huge part of everyday coaching and training is measuring and balancing the physical load - not only for the week, but for extended periods such as the next 1-2 month(s) or the entire season. A head coach cannot really realise his game model and "train" it onto his players without a man familiar with it and dedicated to helping him designing dedicated sessions and balancing physical-tactical demand. Moyes was infamous for gruelling pre-season physical work, training endurance so much that his players literally couldn't breathe. He demanded a lot of hard running and tactical discipline, therefore his training physical load would be vastly different from Sir Alex's team. No Rene Meulensteen or Mike Phelan could deliver exactly what Moyes would want.
@@mayeezy254With Moyes it was different though. He hadn’t been a winning manager at a top club before, and was advised by Fergie and the senior staff to keep the coaches on, as it will allow him to learn from them, and make his transition easier. Getting rid of a coaching team that has had all that success to bring in Everton’s coaching team was stupid. Everyone said it as the time, and the players, Fergie and pundits said it was one of his biggest mistakes after too. ……you would have expected him to bring in a couple of his own guys, but not replace the entire team with coaches that had no experience at that level, and hadn’t worked with players of that ability. I don’t know why this is even a point of debate for anyone. It was obviously a stupid thing to do, was talked about at the time, and was talked about when he failed. He tried to change too much too quickly, and it backfired. You had Rio Ferdinand being told to watch videos of how Phil Jagielka play Moyes by staff ffs. These coaches ran a lot of the football side - the sessions, training movements and working on implementing tactics (Fergie was very hands off with his coaching team), and they would have helped him into the job. Stupid thing to do, and clearly rubbed the players up the wrong way. He lost the dressing room before he even started, and had respected coaches - that had worked with this bunch of players for a long time - by coaches who hadn’t won anything and weren’t respected by the players.
Man uniteds downfall was rooted down to the owners failing to capitalize on the success we had and failing to replace key player's in the early to late 2000s Cristiano ronaldo was sold for £80 million to madrid and was replaced by antonio valencia great player on his day but never on the level of Cristiano not to mention the aging and crippling defense vidic and Ferdinand were slowly getting passed their prime and no investment was plugged by the glazers.
Moyes was brought in and told to just run it, everything was in place. Instead he fucking gutted the backroom staff. United was always too big for him and he was never gonna succeed.
Fergy said it to u lot get behind the new manager u expected him to win with an aging team that wasn't his You've changed so many managers and the best ones in my eyes were moyes and Jose
It was Souness, at Anfield, all over again, whe he succeeded Dalglish as manager of the current league champions, and was advised to just settle in and tweak the squad and club, accordingly. Instead, he embarked on a tour de force of managerial incompetence, beginning with the purge of the entire, existing backroom staff, already there. Totally mishandling the press, and managing to upset senior members of the dressing room, due to poor man management. Telling Rio and Vidic to study footage of Phil Jagielka, to help them improve as defenders, was mind blowing. At times, it was parody stuff.
😂😂😂😂 Rene threw his toys out and left because he wasn't chosen as No1, Phelan's ego got hurt because Rene was offered no2. GK coach was ageing, fitness coaches and scouting had to be replaced as they were laughable compared to average clubs in Europe. So pray tell what the manager was supposed to do?
He was left with a squad mixture full of ageing legends and a bunch of average players. It was sir alex that kept that team winning. No other manager was going to win with that squad.
Watching Man U fans hype up their next manager almost every 2 years feels like were stuck in a loop. We all know whats gonna happen but they still somehow get suprised
Except for Ten Haag, all others were and are good. Moyes did a lot, Van Gaal was quite good and treated unfairly, Mourinho was right, Solksjaer fought, Rangnick had no choice, but Ten Haag was a special brand of trash. Amorim is miles better.
You make it sound like United were all conquering heroes the year before Moyes. The fact was, all the teams around United were having a shocker. United weren't amazing... they dropped loads of points too. Fergie was smart and left on a high because he knew he wasn't going to be getting such an easy run to the title again. United's decline had been evident for years. He left and it all went down the pan. Imagine if he'd stayed. His legacy would have been in the mud!! I think Moyes was served up a bum deal...poor chap!
I think the problem with United is the Legacy of Sir Alex. There is just immense expectation put upon the manager to miraculously get it all "back on track" almost immediately and keep it going like "in the old days" with Sir Alex. The demand for results NOW is quite crushing for anyone. I do hope Amorim turns it around, but I can say this much already... Drawing 1-1 to Ipswich Town of all opponents sure as heck didn't give a big vote of confidence to him. If you recall, Ten Hag was a killer in the Eredivisie and kicked ass with Ajax. I hope Amorim turns it around and doesn't prove to be just another "Ten Hag" (I. E. Top manager from a "lower rank" league not being able to adapt to the Prem). On top of all this, the squad was aging and Man U didn't adapt as quickly and look to the future like Man City did. Sure, the academy is amazing but as Cristiano Ronaldo himself said, nothing was invested in the facilities in decades and it's in shambles basically.
Yes it was really bad and Moyes made also mistakes when it came to tactics and player selection. It was criminal how he didn't make space for Shinji Kagawa who could have brought so much creativity to the squad. But he was left out for pacey wingers to cross the ball into the box over and over again.
This video serves as a great comparison to have in mind while you watch Ruben Amorim at United. As a Sporting fan and also a ManU fan, please keep the things that failed with Moyes in your mind and compare them to what Amorim is saying and doing at the moment while he manages ManU. I think you are in for a fun time.
I agree. I think we will see that Amorim also has a WAY better support system in place now with Ineos than Moyes had with the Glazers. I also think Amorim will not create media shitstorms like Moyes, Mourinho but especially Ten Hag so that's one less thing to worry about. I am super excited for Sunday!
It would be great to have a series of video about post Ferguson Manchester United, this one and then other videos until the ten Hag failure. I would be very interested to see that !! About Moyes, to be fair, he inherited a United squad that was old and washed. All the leaders were at the end of their top tier years, and the younger players meant to replace them were not top4 PL players. Vidic was 32, Ferdinand 35, Evra 32, Giggs 39, Carrick 32, Rooney 28 (but he peaked very young) and Van Persie 30. And although Smalling, Phil Jones, Rafael, Johnny Evans, Valencia, Fellaini, Mata, Kagawa, Zaha or Welbeck were good players, they weren't near the level of the players United had a few years later. Really, only Chicharito, Rooney, Kagawa, De Gea and Mata were young and very good players. And only Fellaini and Varela arrived in the summer. Varela didn't play and Fellaini was good but not Man United level. Finishing 7th was not that crazy with the information we have now. Certainly Moyes could have done better, and I agree he wasn't good enough for an elite job, but noone would have won the title that year, or even competed for it. 2012-2013 was some desperate final rush for that team, to wash the Man City title and give Ferguson the perfect farewell, but many took it back then as a sign that the squad was all good. And yeah Van Persie 30, Vidic, Evra and Carrick 32, were not that old and might have had a few more top tier years, but after so much success they were at the end of a cycle, and that's not surprising. Even Rooney, who was only 28 never reached 30 goal contributions after 2011-2012 and left at age 32 after a poor 5 goals season in the PL. He was already past his best in 2013. It's true that the best coaches were unavailable in 2013, or at least it seems like it, because some might have been persuaded to come if United insisted I think. And Moyes looked really good, so you can't really argue against that choice at the moment it was announced. But when we see what the following United managers did with much better squads and more time, his tenure isn't catastrophic at all, he has one of the worst United squads of the XXIst century.
In Liverpool recently, there has been this saying. There are two managers, Arne Slot and David Moyes. Both were slated to replace a longstanding and well-respected, almost cult-like manager. Both had the full support and blessing of said managers. Both were given next to no transfer budget by the upper management. As a result, both were essentially forced to use whatever players the previous managers the previous manager left them with. But one succeeded while the other failed. Here is the difference. In the 12/13 season, Man Utd had a rapidly aging squad, while their best players had an average age over 32. Ryan Giggs was 39 (ffs), Paul Scholes was 38 and was pulled out of retirement to play one last season, Rio Ferdinand was 34. Berbatov and Evra was 32. Carrick and Vidic was 31. These players were all past their prime, fast approaching retirement age if not already deeply in it. The fact that SAF decide to pull Scholes out of retirement for the 12/13 instead of investing into a new midfielder for the future says everything about SAF in the final few years: Looking for short-term band aids as oppose to planning for the future. His team was literally on it's last legs in 12/13. I doubt SAF would've won the 13/14 season with himself in charge anyways. With any other manager in charge, it would've been disastrous. Moyes was the fall guy. Meanwhile, Jurgen Klopp completed a full rebuild of the squad in the 2023 summer window after a historically bad Liverpool season. Aging mainstays such as Firmino and Jordan Henderson (Captain btw), as well as Mane the season before, while still technically capable and competent, were all in their early to mid-30s and rapidly past their prime. For once, FSG didn't withhold our transfer budget and we completely rebuilt. Wataru Endo, Ryan Gravenberch, Domink Szoboszlai and Alexis MacAllister. While Slot weren't able to bring in anyone but Chiesa, Klopp's rebuild sort of negated it, and thus Liverpool didn't have a post-Klopp dip with Slot like Man Utd had with Moyes. Klopp is a responsible manager, SAF isn't.
As a Liverpool fan, I think it’s too early to say that Slot succeeded. The beginning was great indeed, better than I expected, and it looks very promising, but it’s just far too early to call it a success.
A few key things you are glossing over here. Firstly klopp was only there for a fraction of the time Fergie was at United, so he was no where near as engrained into the club. Secondly, Fergie won the league comfortably in his last season, he had no reason to believe the squad was in as desperate a need of a revamp. Players he was getting a tune from dropped their performance levels massively after he left. Thirdly, klopps role as manager at Liverpool only had a fraction of the responsibilities Fergie had. Fergie didn’t just manage the team, he was in control of transfers, youth academy etc, he almost had chairman level control over the club, so when he left his absence was felt from the top to the bottom of the club. There was 3/4 jobs to replace not just one. Klopp didn’t really have much control of the club outside of picking the team and running training sessions, he didnt even pick his own transfers. (Salah most famously was a player he didn’t even want, if the transfers were up to him Liverpool would have missed out on their best player of the last 6 years) The structure at Liverpool makes the manager just as interchangeable as a player. They pick a specific style of manager who can fit right in with the existing squad and style of play etc. United have had zero structure in this way under the glazers. They got lucky when they took over in the sense they could sit back and let Fergie carry on with what he was doing, they never had to worry about employing directors of football, expanding the scouting system, training facilities etc. They had no plan in place for when he’d eventually step down, and because they know nothing about football they’ve been clueless on how to fix the structure ever since, hence why they’ve still never recovered. It’s 100% on the glazers, not down to Fergie being “irresponsible”. Klopp didn’t have a fraction of the responsibilities at Liverpool, hence why they’ve barely noticed a difference since he left.
Moyes would have caught 7 from Klopps Liverpool. I don't think you actually witnessed Moyes football and that's fine, just don't make baseless claims like this
Was a declining Manchester United squad. They required some rebuilding. And I think people forget how ingrained Ferguson was in that club. Would be difficult even for the best, to replace him.
To the 5 points, I would add a 6th. Failure for the previous regime to rebuild the squad and bring in a new core. You look at the windows before Sir Alex left, and they are really poor. No big turnover to carry them well into the future. It goes somewhat with Point 3, but that’s when Moyes was manager. My Point 6 would be what happened under Fergie in the 5-7 years before he left
Ferguson retired, because he knew the squad needed rebuilding. Ferguson was United, what happened was the same thing that happened after Matt Busby retired and now, every managers playing misfits, trying to create title winning teams out of everyone else’s players.
Manchester United are a big club, a great club. At its heart though is that much of its success has come in the Busby and Fergusson eras, the rest of the time they won the odd trophy and were seldom dominant. This is Manchester United returning to script until another legend in the making does their alchemy to make all that money, talent and resources come to something.
Unpopular opinion: Sir Alex destroyed Man United, he left the club with no foundation, aging squad, shitty owners that relied on him and shitty infastructure. His tenure was a house of cards ready to collapse, Moyes is just an easy scapegoat.
Unpopular opinion because it's utter nonense. Fergie was furious he sold Ronaldo and got Obertan in return. He didn't choose the Glazers, and he never spoke fondly of them. He kept that team competitive, and he did build for the future. de Gea, Young, Valencia, Jones, Smalling, Rafael, Evans and Kagawa was a decent spine for the future, but mismanagement and bad luck with injuries ruined that. Should never have sold Evans. Could have saved £200 million on defenders by keeping him. Rafael was a quality right back, sold for stupid reasons. Kagawa was misused, Valencia broke his leg. Only Rio, Vidic, Evra, Giggs, Scholes and Carrick were at their end when he left. He had replacements in mind, and bought them.
Fergie recommended Moyes, who never managed established superstars, who led a very great underdog team, not a top dog. I don't think Fergie make a mistake, he knew what exactly would happen.
I don't think Moyes failed. I think he wasn't given enough time, United jumped the gun and the next few years might not have been great but they would have been steady. The turbulence that has followed since I think was a lot to do with that decision.
@9:00 I am just thinking about how interesting it is to think back on, the concept of a manager picking his successor. Since at least in today's world, most departing managers aren't exactly afforded that opportunity.
I saw an youtube short of Patrice Evra interview where he says Fergie had told him during training he had lined up return of Ronaldo and purchase of Gareth Bale a week before he announced his retirement, then 2-3 days later, he looked down and told him he's leaving for personal reasons. Let me put my tinfoil cap on, Fergie had lined up Ronaldo and Bale, but he was told Glazers weren't gonna finance the move. He got pissed off after making club billions over 2 decades, winning titles for a decade without spending big money. I believe the question is, DID he sabotage United in his final act by choosing David Moyes? Moyes never won a trophy, was in Champions league once, has done poorly in europe, the man has never played attacking football, at Everton, he actually spend large sums trying to find great strikers but could never find one. What if Fergie understood this veteran team needed surgery and overhaul, didn't get his money, so he chose to curse United by appointing an "almost there" man and coach, man that was his opposite, man that never won anything, man that played most bland brand of football possible, man that didn't understand how to deal with star players, big transfers, or win big games. Maybe sticking United with aging squad and David Moyes was a big middle finger to Glazers for betraying Fergie...??? One could argue United have become better financed version of Moyes Everton since Fergie's retirement....
10:00 Think the list of these things fall under 1 umbrella. That’s Moyes managed Manchester United like they were Everton. In interviews he would play down expectation on the team, but this wasn’t the Man U way. They used to be expected to win every game, that was the champions mentality, and Moyes couldn’t grasp that. So he was the wrong fit for the job. A Pep or Jurgen would have come in with a similar mentality to what the club and players already had. Let the other team worry about our style, we don’t worry or adapt our style against other teams.
the squad didnt want to play for him, they where underwhelmed by him and he'd ;lost before he arrived. A lot of big personalities with far more illustrious careers than him, only way that would have worked was a full clear out and rebuild - either way he was not that guy.
Man U and england national team have same challenge.Performance under pressure. You need a system that can withstand it. Coaching, players, style of play, recruitment…all of it needs to be optimized to meet the high expectations that fans, media, haters put on Man U We will see performance improve with this coaching change. some of it will be because players step it up. But some of the improvement will be because pressure has eased temporarily. the test for Ruben will be if they dont regress after what I think will be a good run of form over the next couple months.
Yeah KLOPP would have made man united better the madrid as liverpool fan he would have won more than 5 Premier leagues and 4 champion league atleast maybe more he didn't have money with liverpool or a good team but man united he would have money a good team that was just old he dealt with worst
Here is an interesting little fact : if you compare the first seasons of all MU managers since 1986 (when Ferguson was appointed) it turns out that Ferguson was the worst of all by far 😂 (11th, 2nd, 11th). Solskjaer was the best (3,2,6), van Gaal second best (4,5), closely followed by Mourinho (6,2,6) in third. ten Hag (3, 8) and Moyes (7) struggled the most, but none of them were nearly as bad as Ferguson in his first seasons ;). No surprise that there was a strong pressure to fire him after his third and also fourth season. Luckily they didn’t ;) Most important lesson to learn: give a manager at least 4 seasons before you evaluate his performance One factor that is often overlooked (and not just here ;)) is the basic statistical law of ‘regression to the middle’ : this law states that if you start at an extreme point, there is a high probability that there will be a change towards the middle, even under equal circumstances. In practical terms : if a manager gets sacked after a very bad streak, there is a high probability that there will be a direct improvement under any next manager. But if a manager retires at its peak (such as Ferguson) there is a very high probability that the next manager will do worse, no matter who it is ;) (This is also one of the main factors that explains why there so many footballers that struggle after they have been transfered following a very successful period, and why ‘failed’ footballers often improve significantly after a transfer or when given a second chance under a new manager ;))
Ronaldo Juventus , Real , Manchester Pep bayern , city , barcelona Enirique , Tito , all took barca from pep Slot Liverpool Chelse did nkt improve under new managers necessarily
And now when u see how ETH stayed so long in the job despite clearly being out of his depth, one would agree that Moyes should have been given at least 1 more season.
13:54 This is the biggest issue of the English football scene, it's media. It's hyper-sensationism In football, this is known as the "English Effect" In F1, it's known as the "biased British Media" The reason that England hasn't won much in football and people being disappointed is down to the media bigging up and relentlessly inflating egos and expectations before every International Tournament for profits. It fails every single time.
Love how people think 'Job was too big for him' no, no it wasn't LOL. Fact is, the team was on the decline, and didn't freshen up right. They weren't prepared for the future like other clubs. It wasn't Moyes fault, it was the clubs, end of.
I think it even if Pep left city to manage united and fail, people would just say he was washed instead of saying it's something wrong with the club itself
You asked if I'm ok, I am Then you put yourself and me into PTSD that I had buried Great video haha, but Moyes was bad and this was a hectic time for the club. Vidic, RVP, Evra and Rooney in their Prime there are no excuses
As soon as i saw the icon for this video, i knew there would be misinformation about the staff situation. Rene and Phelan LEFT of their own accord. Rene thought he was getting the Utd job and threw a wobble, and Phelan thought he was better than he was. They weren't sacked. The rest of the staff were sacked and rightly so. This is what happens when people follow the name and not the club. Clueless bunch.
I think the best and funniest end to Man United's longrunning troubles would be for Moyes to get another term as United manager, and quickly become a roaring success. 😂😂😂
How the hell ed Woodward maintained the finances is a mystery to me goated club for financial management Barca and Liverpool and other teams need to learn this! Even in failure their revenue grows continuously
as much as ed woodward made some dodgy decisions, after seeing the financial trouble barcelona was in to the extent of renaming their stadium, selling blades of grass, using their stadium to host weddings and apparently players not being paid full salaries i appreciate ed woodward for keeping the club profitable to the point we waste money from flops but always recover financially
if man utd kept winning the league n consistently in top 4, I believe they would’ve been earning more than $2 billion a year by now bcs ed woodward really did his part very well, except for football side
Moyes was the worst thing to happen to Man Utd since the Munich disaster 🤦🏾♂️ He ripped up the culture and mentality in the club as soon as he got there
selling CR7 for 80 million is NOT a feather in David Gill's cap. Yeah, it was the world record at the time but good grief man, when before or since has a player that good, that accomplished at that young of an age been sold?
Stop living in the past, sad act. Ronaldo's wish was to go to Madrid and United promised him that. The money they got was the absolute maximum they could bleed out of Madrid, same as for the time when Tottenham sold Bale to Madrid in similar circumstances. In regards to your stupid sentence of, "since has a player that good, that(?) accomplished at that(?) young of an age been sold?" and your overuse of the word 'that', Ronaldo had 1 incredibly productive season and 2 very good seasons up until he left for Madrid. The natural next step for a talent like him was to go to Madrid, they're the dream.
@@martinirving2839 you make a couple good points, I guess more than anything I'm salty about the way the Glazers wasted the money and how expensive players like Neymar became in the future. You would look like less of an a$$hole though if weren't correcting grammar I pounded out in like 3 seconds. Its a comment section not a thesis paper, chief. And I stand behind its not one of Gills greatest moments cause he had a lot of better ones.
The real issue is and always has been United itself, the ego and the prestige are kicking you in your own teeth time and again. Fergie managed to keep Ronaldo quiet in his early days but the Pogba's and the Antony's and little shits like that are what's actually wrong with this club. They come in for the money and the fame and expect the goals, the fans, the club, the media, and their coach and teammates all to fall in line with it. Doesn't happen that way boyo's.
“Fellaini had a fantastic United career…”’ Did he? He hung around for a long time. He won a few trophies, but none of the really big ones. United got worse immediately upon his arrival, and failed to really recover. He did better than people thought he would. He turned out to more or less be worth what they paid for him, albeit still more than they needed to pay for him. He would make nobody’s Best United Team Of The Last Decade. No other big club looked at the United squad and thought “If I could buy anybody from that team, it would be the big Belgian lad…” Less hyperbole please.
It's ridiculous so little out of this is considered Ferguson's fault. He basically milked everything he could out of his last few years and left everything to be elso to next manager.
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the thing people keep missing about united in 2013-14 is that the decline started much earlier
like people forget that in 2012 man u got 3rd and out of the group stage of the champions league, in a group with benfica, basel and some unkown romanian club before getting schooled home and away by athletic bilbao in the europa league, as welk as losing to mancini's city 6-1 in old trafford
the signs were shown much earlier, but sir alex kept winning trophies with a squad of johnny evans, phil jones, danny welbeck and some old washed legends, so no one batted an eye, but turned out, it was because of sir alex's genius that the team kept that team going and winning the premier league, and the years after proved that
Exactly that Squad was on his last legs and Moyes was set up to fail.
Don't forget ando-cleverley duo 😂. No proper rebuild ever since they sold cristiano. Greedy glazers
Anyone who doubts Fergie's genius just needs to look at the 2012-2013 squad and how well he got them playing in the league.
That 2012/13 squad is the worst to ever win the PL, imo. They were awful, but they had Fergie's winning mentality, so they scraped through when other, better, teams lost their way.
@@LieutenantKondou Ferguson himself chose Moyes so please don't talk rubbish
Moyes is not a bad manager, it's just that the job was too big for him and Ferguson left him with an ageing and generally average team. While other teams like Man City were building for the future, United were slow to bring through the next generation of players.
other teams building for the future while united is left with ED FOKKIN WOOD as the man who decides the transfers
Average team ? Bro, they were certainly aging but you cannot call the league winners "average" 😂😂😂
@@riichobamin7612 u sure abt dat? sir ale literally won the league with smalling, phil jones and fucking johnny evans bro at the back and van persie was already aging after they won the league
@@Ore.31-r2b dude. It is VERY simple, if a team wins the League, that too a competitive league like the Premier League, then no way in Hell is that team "average". Winning the League by definition bestows the title of the "best team in the country" on you. That is literally NOT AVERAGE.
@@Ore.31-r2b also you are calling the team "average" by just mentioning the players you think are average, while COMPLETELY ignoring the fact that that team ACTUALLY won the League.
Jamie carrager said Alex Ferguson biggest mistake was underestimating how good he was
It's probably hard for younger fans to understand just how good Moyes' reputation was at the time (as it pretty much torpedoed after United). The job he did at Everton is quite possibly the greatest piece of long term managerial work in PL history!
This was a time where the top 4 of United, Chelsea, Arsenal & Liverpool was totally locked down, with City later gate crashing. He got a team that was stranded in the lower/bottom half for a decade & brought them to a place where a quality striker would've seen them seriously threaten that monopoly & he did it operating with virtually no resources.
Every older fan of these top 4 clubs will remember how seriously the fixture away to Everton was taken. A win was a sigh of relief & taken as a notch on the belt.
Emry is modern day Moyes then
@@Endrick-real That's the best modern day comparison, but imagine if Emery is still doing this in 8 or 9 years time and then succeeds Pep at City
@@itscalledfootballyt pep won't be at City for that long but I do see what you mean , he'd have big shoes to fill
@ Yeah I don’t think Pep will be either but with Klopp gone now it’s the only Prem job that’s even remotely comparable to Ferguson’s
Moyes' Everton team is definitely forgotten by younger fans. United fan here, and we absolutely hated Everton away every season. Constantly between 7th and 5th and 4th one season. With a packet of crisps and two loose shoelaces for a transfer budget.
And Moyes' Everton Vs Allardyce's Bolton was great.
This man almost died inside making this video. Like and subscribe you guys the man puts blood into his videos
😂😂😂
@@nabsteve Jokes apart gang I took a 9 year hiatus from football after Messi lost 2014 WC. This man caught me up on everything so well
MAN it’s been a minute since you’ve done a retrospective video like this, I always thought they were some of the best vids on your channel. Please make more of them!!
Yeahhh
I agree
I remember reading somewhere that Sir Alex desperately wanted Pep even when he was a player!
He wanted Xavi so bad almost got him in 2001 when spanish people still had no idea how to use him.
Ed Woodward was undoubtedly the one that killed United post Ferguson. Ruined the sponsorships, despite the myth, sponsorships grew much slower under him and were were overtaken in revenue. Had absolutely no skill in buying players. Set us so far back!
That shot of Mourinho shaking the hands of the three guys sitting around him always cracks me up.
The only positive thing from Moyes season was how United managed to get into UCL quarter finals, top of their group with 12 points, a 2nd leg comeback against Olympiacos via a Van Persie Hattrick and could have gone into possible semi final, and that's pretty much it
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Even when doing historical videos, he's invoking his own depression...
David Moyes: I want these players for my squad
Ed Woodward, not a proper CEO: no
And then everything went downhill
The players that Moyes DID want were players like Marouane Fellaini so it wouldn't have made a difference if he had gotten every single player that he wanted. They were players probably good enough for Everton and fine if the aim was to avoid relegation or try and reach midtable
.........De Gea
Rafael Evans Varane Baines
Carrick Modric Gibson
.........Fabregas
Van Persie Rooney , should have been Moyes' first XI.
@@PretendMe stop saying what you don't know, he wanted fabregas, who later went to Chelsea, he wanted bale, Alcantara, am not sure if modric was his target or Alex but we only got fellaini because of the incompetence of the new ceo or so
Wanted kroos as well
@@abdulraheem468 that's true
Let’s also not forget David Moyes bought in John murtough from Everton who was crap aswell
Getting rid of all the coaches was a stupid first move…….replacing a world class team of coaches (who took care of training and a large part of the tactical work), and replacing them with his own team of coaches who had didn’t have the experience working with players like that, and weren’t proven winners.
Then he dithered in the transfer market massively, not giving the go ahead on players that had already been lined up for him, as well as being indecisive on his own targets to the point he lost them to other clubs.
He set himself up badly before the season even started.
I also think his mentality was suited to being the underdog, and instead of trying to make the transition to having a mentality suited for United, you could almost see him week by week shifting United from a winning mentality to an underdog one - psychologically it was like he just couldn’t see himself as a winning manager of a dominant team, and just reverted back to scrappy underdog.
There were loads of other issues that had started to seap through the cracks during the end of Sir Alex’s reign, with the club being handled appalling on the football front, with people in positions (Woodward being the biggest villain here), that they had no experience in, and arrogantly making misstep after misstep - thinking that their success as businessmen would somehow transfer into the football side of things. Utterly clueless.
So Moyes didn’t come into a healthy club, but he made it so much worse for himself with key decisions he made; I think even if he’d been the right manager, kept the staff on and made good signings it may have been quite different, but the rot would have eventually shown anyway
Coaches left, they weren't got "rid off" nor were they "world class". Rene left because he wanted to be No1, Phelan left because Rene got offered an assistant role first. The rest were ageing or behind the times. Why do people still not know?
@ A coaching team that had gotten to three champions league finals, won the league all those times and coached world class players, wasn’t a world class coaching team? Who tf is then?
Moyes did get rid of the coaching staff, that’s not an opinion, it’s a well documented thing.
Fergie talked about it, saying it was a mistake that he’d advised Moyes not to make.
Several of the coaching staff that were let go talked about it in the press.
Muelensteen left because of what Moyes was doing. He said this himself, that he left because he saw Moyes getting rid of the staff, knew it would be a disaster, and that his own position would be changed, so he left.
I’m sure those articles, with those quotes are readily available via a Google search.
What the fuck are you on about? Such a weird position to take over something that is really very well documented 🤷♂️.
Thing is, a head coach does need his own men. For example, Mourinho brought Rui Faria everywhere he went to. Pochettino had Miguel D'Agostino. Ancelotti had Pintus and his son Davide. Not necessary nepotism, but because those men were in the know of the head coach's demand. A huge part of everyday coaching and training is measuring and balancing the physical load - not only for the week, but for extended periods such as the next 1-2 month(s) or the entire season. A head coach cannot really realise his game model and "train" it onto his players without a man familiar with it and dedicated to helping him designing dedicated sessions and balancing physical-tactical demand.
Moyes was infamous for gruelling pre-season physical work, training endurance so much that his players literally couldn't breathe. He demanded a lot of hard running and tactical discipline, therefore his training physical load would be vastly different from Sir Alex's team. No Rene Meulensteen or Mike Phelan could deliver exactly what Moyes would want.
Managers come with their coaches genius its not uncommon
@@mayeezy254With Moyes it was different though. He hadn’t been a winning manager at a top club before, and was advised by Fergie and the senior staff to keep the coaches on, as it will allow him to learn from them, and make his transition easier.
Getting rid of a coaching team that has had all that success to bring in Everton’s coaching team was stupid. Everyone said it as the time, and the players, Fergie and pundits said it was one of his biggest mistakes after too.
……you would have expected him to bring in a couple of his own guys, but not replace the entire team with coaches that had no experience at that level, and hadn’t worked with players of that ability.
I don’t know why this is even a point of debate for anyone. It was obviously a stupid thing to do, was talked about at the time, and was talked about when he failed. He tried to change too much too quickly, and it backfired.
You had Rio Ferdinand being told to watch videos of how Phil Jagielka play Moyes by staff ffs. These coaches ran a lot of the football side - the sessions, training movements and working on implementing tactics (Fergie was very hands off with his coaching team), and they would have helped him into the job.
Stupid thing to do, and clearly rubbed the players up the wrong way. He lost the dressing room before he even started, and had respected coaches - that had worked with this bunch of players for a long time - by coaches who hadn’t won anything and weren’t respected by the players.
Quality delivered again. This guy doesn’t miss. I still remember no one being excited about the Moyes hire
Man uniteds downfall was rooted down to the owners failing to capitalize on the success we had and failing to replace key player's in the early to late 2000s
Cristiano ronaldo was sold for £80 million to madrid and was replaced by antonio valencia great player on his day but never on the level of Cristiano not to mention the aging and crippling defense vidic and Ferdinand were slowly getting passed their prime and no investment was plugged by the glazers.
Finally someone confirms Moyes was never Fergusons 1st choice
Moyes was brought in and told to just run it, everything was in place. Instead he fucking gutted the backroom staff. United was always too big for him and he was never gonna succeed.
Fergy said it to u lot get behind the new manager u expected him to win with an aging team that wasn't his
You've changed so many managers and the best ones in my eyes were moyes and Jose
It was Souness, at Anfield, all over again, whe he succeeded Dalglish as manager of the current league champions, and was advised to just settle in and tweak the squad and club, accordingly. Instead, he embarked on a tour de force of managerial incompetence, beginning with the purge of the entire, existing backroom staff, already there. Totally mishandling the press, and managing to upset senior members of the dressing room, due to poor man management. Telling Rio and Vidic to study footage of Phil Jagielka, to help them improve as defenders, was mind blowing. At times, it was parody stuff.
😂😂😂😂 Rene threw his toys out and left because he wasn't chosen as No1, Phelan's ego got hurt because Rene was offered no2. GK coach was ageing, fitness coaches and scouting had to be replaced as they were laughable compared to average clubs in Europe. So pray tell what the manager was supposed to do?
He was left with a squad mixture full of ageing legends and a bunch of average players. It was sir alex that kept that team winning. No other manager was going to win with that squad.
@@JavaughnEllis Moyes? Hahahahahaha.
Watching Man U fans hype up their next manager almost every 2 years feels like were stuck in a loop. We all know whats gonna happen but they still somehow get suprised
Except for Ten Haag, all others were and are good. Moyes did a lot, Van Gaal was quite good and treated unfairly, Mourinho was right, Solksjaer fought, Rangnick had no choice, but Ten Haag was a special brand of trash. Amorim is miles better.
@@natalkumar6132 EtH had to deal with a ton of shit, its amazing how people dont see beyond it.
@@natalkumar6132delusional take
@@natalkumar6132 I wish I had your optimism
@natalkumar6132 how trash was he really when he brought us 2 trophies?
You make it sound like United were all conquering heroes the year before Moyes. The fact was, all the teams around United were having a shocker. United weren't amazing... they dropped loads of points too. Fergie was smart and left on a high because he knew he wasn't going to be getting such an easy run to the title again. United's decline had been evident for years. He left and it all went down the pan. Imagine if he'd stayed. His legacy would have been in the mud!!
I think Moyes was served up a bum deal...poor chap!
It has been a joy to once again join your MU therapy session. I see you've been improving.
And what makes it worse is united kept buying offensive players and hiring defensive managers pogba for the special one ???
I don't have to watch tragedy videos again, this is like watching wife's funeral and your wife is still alive.
Love your videos. The quality is off the charts.
I think the problem with United is the Legacy of Sir Alex. There is just immense expectation put upon the manager to miraculously get it all "back on track" almost immediately and keep it going like "in the old days" with Sir Alex. The demand for results NOW is quite crushing for anyone. I do hope Amorim turns it around, but I can say this much already... Drawing 1-1 to Ipswich Town of all opponents sure as heck didn't give a big vote of confidence to him. If you recall, Ten Hag was a killer in the Eredivisie and kicked ass with Ajax. I hope Amorim turns it around and doesn't prove to be just another "Ten Hag" (I. E. Top manager from a "lower rank" league not being able to adapt to the Prem). On top of all this, the squad was aging and Man U didn't adapt as quickly and look to the future like Man City did. Sure, the academy is amazing but as Cristiano Ronaldo himself said, nothing was invested in the facilities in decades and it's in shambles basically.
Yes it was really bad and Moyes made also mistakes when it came to tactics and player selection. It was criminal how he didn't make space for Shinji Kagawa who could have brought so much creativity to the squad. But he was left out for pacey wingers to cross the ball into the box over and over again.
This video serves as a great comparison to have in mind while you watch Ruben Amorim at United. As a Sporting fan and also a ManU fan, please keep the things that failed with Moyes in your mind and compare them to what Amorim is saying and doing at the moment while he manages ManU.
I think you are in for a fun time.
I agree. I think we will see that Amorim also has a WAY better support system in place now with Ineos than Moyes had with the Glazers. I also think Amorim will not create media shitstorms like Moyes, Mourinho but especially Ten Hag so that's one less thing to worry about. I am super excited for Sunday!
It would be great to have a series of video about post Ferguson Manchester United, this one and then other videos until the ten Hag failure. I would be very interested to see that !!
About Moyes, to be fair, he inherited a United squad that was old and washed. All the leaders were at the end of their top tier years, and the younger players meant to replace them were not top4 PL players.
Vidic was 32, Ferdinand 35, Evra 32, Giggs 39, Carrick 32, Rooney 28 (but he peaked very young) and Van Persie 30. And although Smalling, Phil Jones, Rafael, Johnny Evans, Valencia, Fellaini, Mata, Kagawa, Zaha or Welbeck were good players, they weren't near the level of the players United had a few years later.
Really, only Chicharito, Rooney, Kagawa, De Gea and Mata were young and very good players. And only Fellaini and Varela arrived in the summer. Varela didn't play and Fellaini was good but not Man United level. Finishing 7th was not that crazy with the information we have now.
Certainly Moyes could have done better, and I agree he wasn't good enough for an elite job, but noone would have won the title that year, or even competed for it. 2012-2013 was some desperate final rush for that team, to wash the Man City title and give Ferguson the perfect farewell, but many took it back then as a sign that the squad was all good. And yeah Van Persie 30, Vidic, Evra and Carrick 32, were not that old and might have had a few more top tier years, but after so much success they were at the end of a cycle, and that's not surprising. Even Rooney, who was only 28 never reached 30 goal contributions after 2011-2012 and left at age 32 after a poor 5 goals season in the PL. He was already past his best in 2013.
It's true that the best coaches were unavailable in 2013, or at least it seems like it, because some might have been persuaded to come if United insisted I think. And Moyes looked really good, so you can't really argue against that choice at the moment it was announced. But when we see what the following United managers did with much better squads and more time, his tenure isn't catastrophic at all, he has one of the worst United squads of the XXIst century.
In Liverpool recently, there has been this saying.
There are two managers, Arne Slot and David Moyes.
Both were slated to replace a longstanding and well-respected, almost cult-like manager.
Both had the full support and blessing of said managers.
Both were given next to no transfer budget by the upper management.
As a result, both were essentially forced to use whatever players the previous managers the previous manager left them with.
But one succeeded while the other failed.
Here is the difference.
In the 12/13 season, Man Utd had a rapidly aging squad, while their best players had an average age over 32. Ryan Giggs was 39 (ffs), Paul Scholes was 38 and was pulled out of retirement to play one last season, Rio Ferdinand was 34. Berbatov and Evra was 32. Carrick and Vidic was 31. These players were all past their prime, fast approaching retirement age if not already deeply in it. The fact that SAF decide to pull Scholes out of retirement for the 12/13 instead of investing into a new midfielder for the future says everything about SAF in the final few years: Looking for short-term band aids as oppose to planning for the future. His team was literally on it's last legs in 12/13. I doubt SAF would've won the 13/14 season with himself in charge anyways. With any other manager in charge, it would've been disastrous. Moyes was the fall guy.
Meanwhile,
Jurgen Klopp completed a full rebuild of the squad in the 2023 summer window after a historically bad Liverpool season. Aging mainstays such as Firmino and Jordan Henderson (Captain btw), as well as Mane the season before, while still technically capable and competent, were all in their early to mid-30s and rapidly past their prime. For once, FSG didn't withhold our transfer budget and we completely rebuilt. Wataru Endo, Ryan Gravenberch, Domink Szoboszlai and Alexis MacAllister. While Slot weren't able to bring in anyone but Chiesa, Klopp's rebuild sort of negated it, and thus Liverpool didn't have a post-Klopp dip with Slot like Man Utd had with Moyes.
Klopp is a responsible manager, SAF isn't.
i've read that SAF did not have any money as the Glazers were glazing themselves in the US
@muhammadsuhairi7510 the same can be said about FSG, the Red Sox will always be their main project
As a Liverpool fan, I think it’s too early to say that Slot succeeded. The beginning was great indeed, better than I expected, and it looks very promising, but it’s just far too early to call it a success.
A few key things you are glossing over here.
Firstly klopp was only there for a fraction of the time Fergie was at United, so he was no where near as engrained into the club.
Secondly, Fergie won the league comfortably in his last season, he had no reason to believe the squad was in as desperate a need of a revamp. Players he was getting a tune from dropped their performance levels massively after he left.
Thirdly, klopps role as manager at Liverpool only had a fraction of the responsibilities Fergie had.
Fergie didn’t just manage the team, he was in control of transfers, youth academy etc, he almost had chairman level control over the club, so when he left his absence was felt from the top to the bottom of the club. There was 3/4 jobs to replace not just one.
Klopp didn’t really have much control of the club outside of picking the team and running training sessions, he didnt even pick his own transfers. (Salah most famously was a player he didn’t even want, if the transfers were up to him Liverpool would have missed out on their best player of the last 6 years)
The structure at Liverpool makes the manager just as interchangeable as a player. They pick a specific style of manager who can fit right in with the existing squad and style of play etc. United have had zero structure in this way under the glazers. They got lucky when they took over in the sense they could sit back and let Fergie carry on with what he was doing, they never had to worry about employing directors of football, expanding the scouting system, training facilities etc.
They had no plan in place for when he’d eventually step down, and because they know nothing about football they’ve been clueless on how to fix the structure ever since, hence why they’ve still never recovered.
It’s 100% on the glazers, not down to Fergie being “irresponsible”. Klopp didn’t have a fraction of the responsibilities at Liverpool, hence why they’ve barely noticed a difference since he left.
@@muhammadsuhairi7510 man utd were the biggest net spenders every year under glazers in the 2010s in the league
9 whole days and I've been having withdrawals😢. Lawl great video as always.
I know this hurt you to make but I appreciate your willingness to be accurate to football history
tbh moyes was not the worse we have. he didn’t spend too much, he didn’t sell anyone that we should keep.
didn't have enough time to do more damage
Impossible job. The rot had well set in when Moyes took over. Sir Alex's brilliance got them by for awhile.
To be honest, Ten Hag era was far worse, even Moyes didn’t manage a 7-0
Obviously, moyes had of the best goalies in the world
@@dharshanlakha8788 Didnt ten hag have too?
Ten hag at least got European football and won two trophies. That was one game. It was a horrible game, but it was one game.
Moyes would have caught 7 from Klopps Liverpool. I don't think you actually witnessed Moyes football and that's fine, just don't make baseless claims like this
@ I did actually, week in week out, remember it quite well and it was bad no doubt about it but not as bad as it was under ten haag
Was a declining Manchester United squad. They required some rebuilding. And I think people forget how ingrained Ferguson was in that club. Would be difficult even for the best, to replace him.
To the 5 points, I would add a 6th. Failure for the previous regime to rebuild the squad and bring in a new core. You look at the windows before Sir Alex left, and they are really poor. No big turnover to carry them well into the future. It goes somewhat with Point 3, but that’s when Moyes was manager. My Point 6 would be what happened under Fergie in the 5-7 years before he left
Thanks to the Glazers
“David Moyes is a football genius.” - Chris Pajak , Redmen TV after 0-3 win
i miss shinji kagawa 😢😢😢😢
Ferguson retired, because he knew the squad needed rebuilding. Ferguson was United, what happened was the same thing that happened after Matt Busby retired and now, every managers playing misfits, trying to create title winning teams out of everyone else’s players.
Manchester United are a big club, a great club. At its heart though is that much of its success has come in the Busby and Fergusson eras, the rest of the time they won the odd trophy and were seldom dominant. This is Manchester United returning to script until another legend in the making does their alchemy to make all that money, talent and resources come to something.
Unpopular opinion: Sir Alex destroyed Man United, he left the club with no foundation, aging squad, shitty owners that relied on him and shitty infastructure. His tenure was a house of cards ready to collapse, Moyes is just an easy scapegoat.
Unpopular opinion because it's utter nonense. Fergie was furious he sold Ronaldo and got Obertan in return. He didn't choose the Glazers, and he never spoke fondly of them. He kept that team competitive, and he did build for the future.
de Gea, Young, Valencia, Jones, Smalling, Rafael, Evans and Kagawa was a decent spine for the future, but mismanagement and bad luck with injuries ruined that.
Should never have sold Evans. Could have saved £200 million on defenders by keeping him. Rafael was a quality right back, sold for stupid reasons. Kagawa was misused, Valencia broke his leg. Only Rio, Vidic, Evra, Giggs, Scholes and Carrick were at their end when he left. He had replacements in mind, and bought them.
Fergie recommended Moyes, who never managed established superstars, who led a very great underdog team, not a top dog. I don't think Fergie make a mistake, he knew what exactly would happen.
I don't think Moyes failed. I think he wasn't given enough time, United jumped the gun and the next few years might not have been great but they would have been steady. The turbulence that has followed since I think was a lot to do with that decision.
@9:00 I am just thinking about how interesting it is to think back on, the concept of a manager picking his successor. Since at least in today's world, most departing managers aren't exactly afforded that opportunity.
I saw an youtube short of Patrice Evra interview where he says Fergie had told him during training he had lined up return of Ronaldo and purchase of Gareth Bale a week before he announced his retirement, then 2-3 days later, he looked down and told him he's leaving for personal reasons. Let me put my tinfoil cap on, Fergie had lined up Ronaldo and Bale, but he was told Glazers weren't gonna finance the move. He got pissed off after making club billions over 2 decades, winning titles for a decade without spending big money. I believe the question is, DID he sabotage United in his final act by choosing David Moyes? Moyes never won a trophy, was in Champions league once, has done poorly in europe, the man has never played attacking football, at Everton, he actually spend large sums trying to find great strikers but could never find one. What if Fergie understood this veteran team needed surgery and overhaul, didn't get his money, so he chose to curse United by appointing an "almost there" man and coach, man that was his opposite, man that never won anything, man that played most bland brand of football possible, man that didn't understand how to deal with star players, big transfers, or win big games. Maybe sticking United with aging squad and David Moyes was a big middle finger to Glazers for betraying Fergie...??? One could argue United have become better financed version of Moyes Everton since Fergie's retirement....
Looking back at it Moyes wasn't as bad as they make it seem it was a tough job and it was hard to say no.
10:00 Think the list of these things fall under 1 umbrella. That’s Moyes managed Manchester United like they were Everton.
In interviews he would play down expectation on the team, but this wasn’t the Man U way. They used to be expected to win every game, that was the champions mentality, and Moyes couldn’t grasp that. So he was the wrong fit for the job. A Pep or Jurgen would have come in with a similar mentality to what the club and players already had. Let the other team worry about our style, we don’t worry or adapt our style against other teams.
Are U gonna do a Van Gaal era as well? That would be awesome.
Yes
As a Liverpool fan I have to disagree with your title...
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No one cares you're from south Africa
81 crosses in one game? thats like 80 more than in Ten Hag's whole 2.5 seasons combined
16:32 . Kroos's career was saved.
9:59 😑😑
That list basically says he was a failure at literally everything a coach should be in that situation
SAF the greatest football coach of all time❤
Could you do one for every Utd manager since Fergie? 😢
Crazy how little they backed him in that first transfer window
Lmao “I find it hard that that’s the way the balls came out of the bag” 😂
the squad didnt want to play for him, they where underwhelmed by him and he'd ;lost before he arrived. A lot of big personalities with far more illustrious careers than him, only way that would have worked was a full clear out and rebuild - either way he was not that guy.
Man U and england national team have same challenge.Performance under pressure. You need a system that can withstand it. Coaching, players, style of play, recruitment…all of it needs to be optimized to meet the high expectations that fans, media, haters put on Man U
We will see performance improve with this coaching change. some of it will be because players step it up. But some of the improvement will be because pressure has eased temporarily.
the test for Ruben will be if they dont regress after what I think will be a good run of form over the next couple months.
Loved where manu went from then
YNWA
Tinashe you're a legend 💯
great video as usual
We should've gone for Klopp tbh, rising superstar at Dortmund
Yeah KLOPP would have made man united better the madrid as liverpool fan he would have won more than 5 Premier leagues and 4 champion league atleast maybe more he didn't have money with liverpool or a good team but man united he would have money a good team that was just old he dealt with worst
He didn't wanna leave dortmund
Classy touch leaving out that other nonsense 👍👍
Well done 👏
"I'll accept no Fellaini slander" is not something you hear very often
The only thing thats good about that season was the home Jersey.. Love it.. 😍
man what a great analysis
Bro was cooking, I should’ve known 🔥
Here is an interesting little fact : if you compare the first seasons of all MU managers since 1986 (when Ferguson was appointed) it turns out that Ferguson was the worst of all by far 😂 (11th, 2nd, 11th).
Solskjaer was the best (3,2,6), van Gaal second best (4,5), closely followed by Mourinho (6,2,6) in third. ten Hag (3, 8) and Moyes (7) struggled the most, but none of them were nearly as bad as Ferguson in his first seasons ;). No surprise that there was a strong pressure to fire him after his third and also fourth season. Luckily they didn’t ;)
Most important lesson to learn: give a manager at least 4 seasons before you evaluate his performance
One factor that is often overlooked (and not just here ;)) is the basic statistical law of ‘regression to the middle’ : this law states that if you start at an extreme point, there is a high probability that there will be a change towards the middle, even under equal circumstances. In practical terms : if a manager gets sacked after a very bad streak, there is a high probability that there will be a direct improvement under any next manager. But if a manager retires at its peak (such as Ferguson) there is a very high probability that the next manager will do worse, no matter who it is ;)
(This is also one of the main factors that explains why there so many footballers that struggle after they have been transfered following a very successful period, and why ‘failed’ footballers often improve significantly after a transfer or when given a second chance under a new manager ;))
Ronaldo Juventus , Real , Manchester
Pep bayern , city , barcelona
Enirique , Tito , all took barca from pep
Slot Liverpool
Chelse did nkt improve under new managers necessarily
Interesting video - Now do every other post Ferguson manager.
And now when u see how ETH stayed so long in the job despite clearly being out of his depth, one would agree that Moyes should have been given at least 1 more season.
13:54 This is the biggest issue of the English football scene, it's media. It's hyper-sensationism
In football, this is known as the "English Effect"
In F1, it's known as the "biased British Media"
The reason that England hasn't won much in football and people being disappointed is down to the media bigging up and relentlessly inflating egos and expectations before every International Tournament for profits. It fails every single time.
Love how people think 'Job was too big for him' no, no it wasn't LOL.
Fact is, the team was on the decline, and didn't freshen up right. They weren't prepared for the future like other clubs. It wasn't Moyes fault, it was the clubs, end of.
Guardiola managing Manchester United would be cursed. At least with hindsight.
oh hey, an half hour video of why manU is shit. love these. :D
Great watch 🫡
whoever they would put would fail because even tho the fans did stand by the manager, the club never did
I think it even if Pep left city to manage united and fail, people would just say he was washed instead of saying it's something wrong with the club itself
Big Fan From Zimbabwe 🇿🇼
Are you from there???
I suspect he is
He's from South Africa. He has clarified this in a few videos
You asked if I'm ok, I am
Then you put yourself and me into PTSD that I had buried
Great video haha, but Moyes was bad and this was a hectic time for the club. Vidic, RVP, Evra and Rooney in their Prime there are no excuses
Man U will come back, matter of time, I just hope that when they do, my team beats them.
Maybe sir Alex was teaching the glazers a lesson? Showing them how great a job he was doing and that they should have let him do what he wanted.
As soon as i saw the icon for this video, i knew there would be misinformation about the staff situation.
Rene and Phelan LEFT of their own accord. Rene thought he was getting the Utd job and threw a wobble, and Phelan thought he was better than he was. They weren't sacked.
The rest of the staff were sacked and rightly so.
This is what happens when people follow the name and not the club. Clueless bunch.
I think the best and funniest end to Man United's longrunning troubles would be for Moyes to get another term as United manager, and quickly become a roaring success. 😂😂😂
One of the worst managers the club may have ever seen, could even be worse than ETH
All of this makes you wonder: Why didn’t they just promote one of Sir Alex’s assistants? It might’ve been somehow better fit wise.
maybe in an alternate universe that might have been the case
How the hell ed Woodward maintained the finances is a mystery to me goated club for financial management Barca and Liverpool and other teams need to learn this! Even in failure their revenue grows continuously
as much as ed woodward made some dodgy decisions, after seeing the financial trouble barcelona was in to the extent of renaming their stadium, selling blades of grass, using their stadium to host weddings and apparently players not being paid full salaries i appreciate ed woodward for keeping the club profitable to the point we waste money from flops but always recover financially
He did the exact opposite of what Slot is doing.
I knew it would be a disaster as soon as he got appointed. Unravelled everything built at OT
Trophyless Olé felt better than 2 Cup Ten Hag and it doesn't make sense but it does.
The squad was old and kinda weak, plus we had no structure. It is all about the structure, a manager cannot do it alone.
Man Utd will ruin every manager's career. Same thing will happen with Amorim. Mark my words.
Until they get rid of players it will never change
Nah 😂 he didn’t pay nearly £100 million quid for Anthony
if man utd kept winning the league n consistently in top 4, I believe they would’ve been earning more than $2 billion a year by now bcs ed woodward really did his part very well, except for football side
Moyes was the worst thing to happen to Man Utd since the Munich disaster 🤦🏾♂️ He ripped up the culture and mentality in the club as soon as he got there
selling CR7 for 80 million is NOT a feather in David Gill's cap. Yeah, it was the world record at the time but good grief man, when before or since has a player that good, that accomplished at that young of an age been sold?
Stop living in the past, sad act. Ronaldo's wish was to go to Madrid and United promised him that. The money they got was the absolute maximum they could bleed out of Madrid, same as for the time when Tottenham sold Bale to Madrid in similar circumstances. In regards to your stupid sentence of, "since has a player that good, that(?) accomplished at that(?) young of an age been sold?" and your overuse of the word 'that', Ronaldo had 1 incredibly productive season and 2 very good seasons up until he left for Madrid. The natural next step for a talent like him was to go to Madrid, they're the dream.
@@martinirving2839 you make a couple good points, I guess more than anything I'm salty about the way the Glazers wasted the money and how expensive players like Neymar became in the future. You would look like less of an a$$hole though if weren't correcting grammar I pounded out in like 3 seconds. Its a comment section not a thesis paper, chief. And I stand behind its not one of Gills greatest moments cause he had a lot of better ones.
And Moyes still won't take any responsibility for his failures at United. Spineless.
The real issue is and always has been United itself, the ego and the prestige are kicking you in your own teeth time and again.
Fergie managed to keep Ronaldo quiet in his early days but the Pogba's and the Antony's and little shits like that are what's actually wrong with this club.
They come in for the money and the fame and expect the goals, the fans, the club, the media, and their coach and teammates all to fall in line with it.
Doesn't happen that way boyo's.
Hitzfeld ,Lippi , Pelligrini, Mancini , Del Bosque the choices were endless
“Fellaini had a fantastic United career…”’
Did he? He hung around for a long time. He won a few trophies, but none of the really big ones. United got worse immediately upon his arrival, and failed to really recover. He did better than people thought he would. He turned out to more or less be worth what they paid for him, albeit still more than they needed to pay for him. He would make nobody’s Best United Team Of The Last Decade. No other big club looked at the United squad and thought “If I could buy anybody from that team, it would be the big Belgian lad…”
Less hyperbole please.
Hmm is this a jinx video for the new manager at United?
It's ridiculous so little out of this is considered Ferguson's fault. He basically milked everything he could out of his last few years and left everything to be elso to next manager.