@@Unremarkable6969 "Most likely" naw, in the conclusion's Black Boxes (upper right corner), they said that Thor has another form called Odin Force, one they didn't talk about or use, which would've made this fight an even bigger stomp. NGL, I kinda don't like the fact you don't go into the Marvel Scaling either. Even if you still agree that Thor wins, the video feels like you're implying that "Death Battle intentionally nerfed the losing/DragonBall Character" and nobody else
@@Unremarkable6969 Okay Miles Morales (lowkey would if it weren't for the fact Marvel Comics is x5 older than I am) And I'm only saying this because it's not helping the egregious amount of "hate Dragon Ball" mindsets from a questionable amount of people 💀
Comics Thor is absolutely insane. He speedblitzed Silver Surfer, moved the World Tree, fought on par with the Hulk, fought the Phoenix, he's just mental. But Vegeta was massively downplayed too. Thor would have won anyways but as with all Death Battles, their were some definitive flaws. Great video man
And how does that make Thor strong? If I say character A can beat character B thus he is universal does that make sense? The answer is no Explain why scaling to them is impressive with cosmology and feats they did
@@ahmedriyad4264Thor in the comics is capable of moving the world engine who is the size as Yggdrasil The same world tree that contains all of existence and planes of reality It contains an Infinite timeline with infinite reality
@@MizotoDGeto i dont see how thats impressive at least by high dragonball standards Yggdrasil containing all of existence is complete horseshit its just a really big tree that acts as a focus connecting the magical energy's of the ten realms the entire fanon it contains infinite reality's and univere's is complete horseshit made from taking out of date bullshit from older comics hyping it literally when in canon its just ten worlds and its not some all powerful thing that holds the multiverse inside it hell its been destroyed before both in 616 and the ultimate universe which never effects anything but magical entity's connected to it
@mattrussell8309 brother just said a tree that contains all of existence is horseshit Brother said OLDER COMIC (again proving my point) Said it's only 10 worlds while multiple comics has stated them to be infinite Biggest dragon ball feat in destroying 12 universe Moving Yggdrasil is a bigger feat by a MILE stop coping
Btw GT Goku legit rejected death in sugoroku space, random feat but wanted to mention it. Because you should watch saiyan's scholar scaling on GT, to me it's accurate.
@@Unremarkable6969 Thor also has far better dimensionality despite this ??? The Marvel Universe's cosmology is far more insane than DB's but yea Death Battle did a garbage analysis
@@Xx-jumpshot_edits Yeah ik but the thing is, is that they always manage to get something wrong. They calculated the afterlife horribly wrong and sometimes they glaze other characters and just straight up downplay some dragon ball characters. They glazed omni man and downplayed bardock horribly so i'd say its a 50/50 on if they like dragon ball. But if im being honest i think they just hate the anime
I'd like to add onto the size feat for DB and remind everyone that the whole size feat only accounts for universe 7. Remember, there are at least 11 other universes that, from what we know, all follow the same rules in terms of size and dimensional stacking because of DB's lore. And that's not even including alternate timelines and places outside of those 12 universes like Zeno's palace or the arena for the Tournament of Power, or ANY of the extended stuff like video games or side shows. The reason I bring this up is because it's been proven via power scaling multiple times that there are Gods of Destruction that are capable of wiping out several, if not all of these universes, and Vegeta has been scaled above most of them, (aside from Beerus and Champa) implying that he could very well destroy several, if not all of the 12 universes, and depending on the source, even some of the places outside of them.
Goku surpassing the time speed doesn’t require speed since it’s based on ki in dragon ball the person with more ki cam bypass what the person with less ki is doing
There are 3 reason why Vegeta win First of all, He is Vegeta! Second of all, you're not Vegeta! Third of all, you wanna be Vegeta but you can't be Vegeta because He’s Vegeta!🗣️🔥🗣️🔥🗣️🔥
dude no. hits time skip isnt immeasurable. thats not a speed feat, thats hax this is backed up by the manga and anime multiple times . the HAX didnt work because goku was stronger at that point
I really dont agree with this one, Marvel powerscaling is no joke, Thor has busted 8 dimensional beings and the odinforce is a high plane of existance that gives thor powers beyond anything Dragon Ball has to offer. Also, Hakai only works if you have stronger KI than your opponent, same reason why Goku bypassed Hit's time skiiping hax.
*In all seriousness, this video isn't saying Vegeta would beat Thor, I'm saying that their analysis for Vegeta is inaccurate. I don't know too much about Marvel comics scaling, but Thor likely has better feats. But currently, I don't know enough to say anything.
Firstly the hakai point That only works with ki due to ki just having a hax negation property also the fact hits timeskip only has that description in the manga the anime doesn't Also the fact you can't just randomly called someone 8d explaining why they are 8d Because I can just say goku beat a boundless being and vegeta scales to that and that's just as valid as your statement
Comic Thor consistently holds back against powerful characters. Not to mention, Thor has far more impressive feats than Vegeta. Like yo Goku and Vegeta is not beating Thor.
@Unremarkable6969 OK, but how do Goku and Vegeta infinite speed. Barry Allen and Wally West Flash do not have infinite speed, and those two can threaten Dc multiverse with their raw speed alone. Not to mention, how did Goku get tagged by a bullet or a laser gun if he was faster than the flash himself.
Reizo barry and allen have infinite speed no more than that immeasurable and he already explained in the video how goku and vegeta have infinite speed higher infact oh and the way goku got tagged by a bullet and laser is cause he let his ki down and was caught offguard.
Marvel and DC have too many plot problems that they characters can be too strong or beaten by regular gun, arrow or even fking rok. Like Spider-Man can hurt Hulk, who can't be hurted by rockets. Superman that can't dodge kryptonite bullet that supposed to be really slow (it's not even Batman's thing).
4:13 further proof goku and vegeta are portrayed as equal in base and their strongest form which would mean ue is the same multiplier as ui(for now since the forms seem to constantly evolve)
Unremarkable. There is a thing you need to know, god ki absorbed into base form was actually a idea abandoned/scrapped after battle of gods or after resurrection F.
@@Unremarkable6969 you forgot vegeta legit got a weird rage boost in the battle of God that made him the second strongest. So vegeta destroying gotenks isn't out of the picture
@@justsomeguywholovesberserk6375The omnitrix itself was nerfed to hell(confirmed to have Tachyon levels of reaction speed, the anti death fail safe would be able to react to Green Lantern)
@@Kuledud3_Fan Please no, I don't want another dude pulling an InkTank and only talking about Ben while openly admitting they don't know shit about the DC Character
6:47 the wont crucify you in the comments they will just say thor slams vegeta and give no explanation like its something everyone knows by instinct(seriously why are none of you explaining thors scaling he already said he doesnt know much about comics) Update: I was right Just debated two thor fans one of them tried scaling thor(forgot to give some context about things) and the other just said thor beats vegeta without providing any scaling and just listed one ability(didnt list source aswell)
4:39 to explain just how much stronger goku got i will list somethings Firstly kale is much stronger than ssjb goku then gets even stronger goku then after uio ran out the first time became strong enough to fight kale while see had help(he didnt fully recover yet)this likely means his base is stronger than his previous ssjb or even ssjbk×10 now when goku used ssjbk×10 again he was called equal to the spirit bomb(not directly but still applies)now uio goku is stronger than the spirit bomb so that means its multipier is ssjbk^2 now goku later in the arc surpassed his uio 1 self in base and then got even stronger throughout the arc Meaning base goku by the end of top exceeds uio 1 goku and maybe even uio 2
This comment section is something else man what kind of community have you created 😭regardless even though Goatku and Wegeta solo they don't so it is what it is, bum ahh comic runs to glaze their characters to complex multi+ etc. though
I can explain where 7D goku comes from. The living world is 4D since it has its own space time. The visual novel for the broly movie says that the swirling lights dimension is a hyperspace that would make the living world 5D. You obviously showed that statement that says Heaven transcends the living world making it 6D. Zenos deminsion while not stated, should be 7D at minimum since it sees the infinite macrocosms as basically marbles. This means Zamasu taking over a timeline should be 7D since 1 timeline is made up of an infinite number of possibilities and every possibility creates another entire Omniverse, as proven by the fact that Trunks branch has his own Zeno. Goku said he could take care of infinite zamasu if he had a senzu, so that means goku was confident in beating an Infinite 7D(immortal) being
A couple things. First off, the DoSSL(Broly movie one) is called "super dimensional", not a hyperspace, though you could still very easily argue it's +1 dimensionality over whatever construct you think it's super dimensional to. And secondly you can just use the hyper timeline(The temporal dimension of the overarching timeline that contains the space times of the universes) to get 7D instead of Zeno's realm.
You can scale it higher with Garlic Jr Deadzone stated to be Superspace which is 5D and argue High hyperversal with the Dragon Ball Super website stated that Dragon ball has many worlds interpretation.
Thanks for this, I just saw the toasterXD video and they don't compare feats to say why Thor wins they just say "So yeah sorry but Thor wins" I'm about to make a power scaling channel man. You nailed it though, comic boom fans dont understand the db cosmology and how insane the zamasu merging with multiple timelines is.
@@zvayroedit I know. Currently, I don't know enough about Marvel scaling to say who would win definitively, knowing Death Battle they likely lowballed Thor too. This video was similar to my Goku VS Superman debunks, in that I'm pointing out their inaccuracies with scaling Dragon Ball.
Sonic wins, currently, from the information I know. For example, Infinite is stated to be the strongest foe Sonic's ever faced, which includes the Time Eater and Solaris, and Sonic beat him in base form. Solaris is stated to be a Super Dimensional being, and the Time Eater was threatening a potentially infinite amount of time lines. Infinite is stronger than that, and Sonic beat him in base.
Correct me if I'm wrong but didn't whis mention that if you're just generally stronger than your opponent than you can just bypass stuff like hit's timeskip
That was in the DBS manga, not the anime. While it could be a potential explanation for skeptical scalers, and a valid one, Goku forcing himself into the future is similarly valid, in my opinion.
@highlandave8507 I can say a lot of things. My actual thoughts are similar to Goku VS Superman, where I don't know enough about Marvel scaling to definitively say anything. This video is also similar in that it's meant to correct their scaling for Vegeta more than anything else, even if it doesn't change the outcome.
Thor without his hammer smacked destiny, fate and causality away to an infinite point in the future from the present to where it would not be relevant anymore to himself of asgardians Was able to go toe to toe and even kill sentry as he was being corrupted by the void which is impressive since the Void was immune to scarlet witches outervsal, multiversal reality warping power and he was caught off guard as well Marvel characters by default have higher dimensionality since. Marvel cosmological rules make everyone outerversal as their dreams power multiverses which then power divisons of universes that spawn into more dreams which create more multiverses. Even the main 616 universe that everyone lives in. in marvel is inside of a dream of someone else which has infinite timeslines generating off it....Making even the regular human in marvel outerversal off rip....Which also explains why some of the most random OP shit can happen in obscure marvel comics like A police man beating the shit out of thanos, or squirrel girl coming into existence as a character. Multiple characters have almost uprooted the asgardian world tree that would flipped the multiverse upside down and thor casually upscales from said characters Resistance to soul, reality, mind, magic , molecular based hax multiple times Defeated the black winter who can induce ultimate conceptual death seperate from the concept of death inherit to marvels cosmology. and surpassed "life bringer" galactus in power who was rivling the molecule man who remade the entirety of marvels cosmology instantly. And thor sonned this guy hard...Btw the black winter for context how much of a power vibe this guy. He takes vacations from marvel and goes to DC to fuck around before returning back to marvel (Alot of high tiers in both marvel and DC to this actually even the One above all)
Ya that makes sense that vegeta ultra ego is stronger than MUI considering he did a better fight to granola than Goku. Death battle forgot that Goku have the god ki in his base form proving he can destroy a universe in base. And vegeta match that by himself while fighting granola that say he can move faster than instinct transmission which is immersible faster than the speed of light and vegeta did perform it.That even say that tournament of power ssj3 Goku is stronger than world breaker hulk something that Thor can beat. But vegeta manage to shake the null realm a play who is a infinite of nothingness but how can you shake something that is nothing so they use his energy to the infinite and shake that both MUI Goku and Jiren. And ultra ego vegeta is stronger than them.
4:36 Sorry but I disagree with the SSJ God boost and here's why. Goku didn't convert the ssj god ki into his regular base form ki, now I'm not saying that Goku didn't absorbed the power at all but base off of what I've seen in the anime and B.O.G film Goku didn't convert it into normal ki that mortals use but instead by absorbing the god ki Goku ended up gaining two pools of ki inside his body that being the god ki and his own ki. This makes sense given that in the anime when Goku said he didn't felt any changes in power despite being in his ssj1 form and if Goku really had converted the god ki into his regular ki then Goku would have either been in his ssj3 form since it's implying that he is still going all out at that point or Goku would have released that he's even stronger than before since he's only outputting 12.5% of his power. While yes the others can sense Goku's ki at that point their reaction to his ki didn't imply that Goku got exponentially more powerful then he was before and while Beerus did answer Goku's question on the matter it was more like Beerus was giving an educational guess since prior to the answer Beerus was confused as to what was going with Goku and when Goku asked Beerus what was going on Beerus said "how should I know". Episode 53 also supports this when Goku, Beerus, and Whis were heading back to U7 after a ssj2 Goku fought Zamasu, Goku commented on how Zamasu's strength reminded him of his fight with Beerus. This means that a ssj2 Goku at the beginning of the "Goku Black Arc" is comparable to a ssj god Goku from the "B.O.G Arc" in strength which would make sense given that Goku trained for three years in the "R.O.S.A.T" In the "Universe 6 Arc" So yeah Goku's regular base form didn't surpass the ssj god power he used against Beerus in the B.O.G arc and movie.
Wrong Firstly beerus doesn't sense any god ki within goku that's why he doesn't have any Secondly he doesn't automatically transform goku was too focused on the fight and his power in ssj was equal to his ssjg self so he didn't notice it going away also the fact he got stronger than that Also beerus has just seen this form for the first time do you expect him to know how it works already? Also the fact he explains goku made the power his own And lastly the zamasu point Firstly beerus made it clear when talking to trunks about the fight that there was no why goku would lose meaning he was likely holding back(he was in ssj2 for no reason)also the fact the reason he said that is zamaus is the second god(to his knowledge)he ever fought not because of powerlevels
if you do a debunk on pokemon vs digimon and prove how pokemon should've won.. in 50 years or less.. i will give you a lots of money when i become successful
How do you even compare vegeta to thor there is no way vegeta would survive the godblast and i dont think thor even needs the godblast i mean thor has outerversal feats since the 60s ... Yes vegeta is a great character but he could not even hurt current thor or even the one from the 60s i think even young thor could beat current vegeta fairly easy but if you use current thor please tell me how vegeta beats someone who now has the Thorforce, Odinforce,power of zeus, Gaia,and the pheonix force,plus the power cosmic because its not happening...
To be fair, I don't know much about Marvel comics or scaling for the mainline Thor, so maybe he is really Outerversal, idk. You can get Vegeta to Outerversal, from what I've seen, but I generally take a more conservative approach to scaling.
@@Unremarkable6969 but remember to get DB to outerversal you have to use wrong Translations and stuff i dont get why u Guys got a Problem with Marvel or DC Just being surpirior i mean These Characters are written for 80+ years and got consistent Outer and higher scaling since then the words you Guys used for scaling come mostly come from Comics Imagine trying to debunk a Verse where Most of the scaling words come from... i mean its crazy Not to be mean but how do you try to debunk Death Battle and Thor Marvel when you dont even know about them and the scaling ?
For the most part I agree with you with the dragon Ball scaling but DB also low end Thor and by a much bigger degree Since when this was made Thor had not only the odin force but the power cosmic thats like not giving vegeta ultra ego thor still wins either way since hes outerversal in base anyway with imesrbal speed and better hax and stamina
Not the super vegeta If you're going to heigh ball dragon ball Then you can reasonably get sore to multiple layers into mid out of vessel in Base alone If you're talking about zeno vegeta then sure I actually agree with that but at that point if you can use different versions of the characters and only fair to use stuff like rune king Thor who has narrative hax
Dimensional tiering gives me a headache, I'm not saying you spefically did this, but the characters being wanked to like 5th dimensional, with nothing really to support it or reasoning behind dimensionality as a concept in the series.
Another Garbage Inaccurate Video from @Unremarkable. Thor soloes the Dragon Ball verse. You toxic Dragon Ball Fangirls are far too obsessed with pretending that Goku & Vegeta are omnipotent.
I stop watching at 1:00 because you don’t even read your own scan. The panel you showed is literally talking about a technique not that gornella wtv is faster than instant teleport. Literally the context of that panel is abt a technique bro nice try😭😭
@@simple_majin except Granolah moving faster than instant transmission is consistent considering he and Gas use it later in the arc during their fight, and they can react to each other so this is still consistent
Goku is outer and before okay whatever you do you derpy derp there is plenty of evidence lol regardless good video when people say that Goku has 7d power and etc please 🙏 consider doing more research instead of just dismissing them and cool whatever 😅 heck I’ll even help with dbz scaling 😼 for FREE
I'm just saying, most scalers won't accept 7D Goku and up. There is evidence for it, I'll definitely admit that, but it won't stand in a debate with a skeptical scaler.
@@Unremarkable6969 okay I’ll agree there are lot there are a lot of scalers out there who will believe whatever what regardless of what you show them and most people won’t accept the idea goku scaling above 5d because they don’t want to accept but I don’t that’s just my opinion on the matter but thanks for responding
Eh, i think even tho i like Vegeta, i think Thor would still win, but with extremely high difficulty, like Vegeta would almost win But... if were talking Shadow The Hedgehog vs. Thor, yeah, no doubt about it. Shadow wins low diff with doom powers without doom powers high diff
@@Sk3lat0rRofficialSpeed force doesn't translate to Marvel when dc vs marvel happened (it's canon) meanwhile chaos force affects the Sonic multiverse and the Megaman one, confirming it being on higher dimension than the speed force. So yeah, archie sonic wins with little to no problem
@@nehen2225 that doesn’t confirm a thing u should’ve said that sonic can win by bfr or something flash has easily kept up with higher dimensional beings to and also can take sonic’s speed rendering him useless
next video is Ninjago VS Goku
(maybe, idk)
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Gold Ninja vs MUI Goku???
Goku might actually have to watch out
jump up kick back whip around and SPIN!
thor only won because the final flash has a 100% survival rate
So real
Vegeta better start using big bang attack or galick gun
He also didn't use the vegeta technique™️ if use thst he would have won
@@WeatherTortoisefr big bang is probably the best attack
true 😂
Watching this entire video and I'm sitting here thinking
"They intentionally nerfed Thor still"
@@godhaloknight6332 Most likely. I don't know much about Marvel scaling, but considering their track record, yeah.
@@Unremarkable6969
"Most likely" naw, in the conclusion's Black Boxes (upper right corner), they said that Thor has another form called Odin Force, one they didn't talk about or use, which would've made this fight an even bigger stomp.
NGL, I kinda don't like the fact you don't go into the Marvel Scaling either.
Even if you still agree that Thor wins, the video feels like you're implying that "Death Battle intentionally nerfed the losing/DragonBall Character" and nobody else
@@godhaloknight6332 Then I highly encourage you to make your own video, going over the Marvel scaling. I'm gonna keep doing my own thing.
@@Unremarkable6969
Okay Miles Morales
(lowkey would if it weren't for the fact Marvel Comics is x5 older than I am)
And I'm only saying this because it's not helping the egregious amount of "hate Dragon Ball" mindsets from a questionable amount of people 💀
@@godhaloknight6332 Still, current Vegeta vs non Odin Force Thor is a stomp for Vegeta which is what the death battle was about
Thor Beating me?? Insolence!!!
REDUCE ERECTILE DYSFUNCTION!!
@@PrinceVegetaMotivation On Beerus
Comic thor > bejita the manlet
SHEEESH DA GOAT HIMSELF 🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥
@IndraAshuroAkatsuki PRINCE VEGETA!?
Comics Thor is absolutely insane. He speedblitzed Silver Surfer, moved the World Tree, fought on par with the Hulk, fought the Phoenix, he's just mental. But Vegeta was massively downplayed too. Thor would have won anyways but as with all Death Battles, their were some definitive flaws. Great video man
thanks man
And how does that make Thor strong?
If I say character A can beat character B thus he is universal does that make sense? The answer is no
Explain why scaling to them is impressive with cosmology and feats they did
@@ahmedriyad4264Thor in the comics is capable of moving the world engine who is the size as Yggdrasil
The same world tree that contains all of existence and planes of reality
It contains an Infinite timeline with infinite reality
@@MizotoDGeto i dont see how thats impressive at least by high dragonball standards Yggdrasil containing all of existence is complete horseshit its just a really big tree that acts as a focus connecting the magical energy's of the ten realms the entire fanon it contains infinite reality's and univere's is complete horseshit made from taking out of date bullshit from older comics hyping it literally when in canon its just ten worlds and its not some all powerful thing that holds the multiverse inside it hell its been destroyed before both in 616 and the ultimate universe which never effects anything but magical entity's connected to it
@mattrussell8309 brother just said a tree that contains all of existence is horseshit
Brother said OLDER COMIC (again proving my point)
Said it's only 10 worlds while multiple comics has stated them to be infinite
Biggest dragon ball feat in destroying 12 universe
Moving Yggdrasil is a bigger feat by a MILE stop coping
I agree with the verdict of the video, and it is fax, but their research was wonky to say the least
Mhmhmhmhmhm
Pretty much every death battle
1:41 planetary time rotation be like you could have used the infinite space statements
3:13 being without time doesn’t make you higher dimensional
Bro you didn't even read my argument on gojo vs goku. Great video by the way
Another goatee video from the edgelord.
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Btw GT Goku legit rejected death in sugoroku space, random feat but wanted to mention it.
Because you should watch saiyan's scholar scaling on GT, to me it's accurate.
You did 0 scaling for Thor
so I'ma assume Thor still wins
Think of it like this. The Marvel universe has a set size. No matter how big, it will always be smaller than an infinite-sized universe, which DB has.
@@Unremarkable6969 Thor also has far better dimensionality despite this ??? The Marvel Universe's cosmology is far more insane than DB's but yea Death Battle did a garbage analysis
@xav555 The Thor meat riding is crazy 🙄
*I don't know much about Marvel scaling so I don't have an opinion :3
@@Unremarkable6969The vegeta meat riding is crazy😒
Death battle downplays db so bad. W Debunk death battle just hates db 💀
@@NoahT-c3r Fr fr
isn't that right, Master Roshi, 18, Vegeta against shadow, Hercule, Beerus, Broly, Vegito, and frieza
idk
@@Xx-jumpshot_edits Yeah ik but the thing is, is that they always manage to get something wrong. They calculated the afterlife horribly wrong and sometimes they glaze other characters and just straight up downplay some dragon ball characters. They glazed omni man and downplayed bardock horribly so i'd say its a 50/50 on if they like dragon ball. But if im being honest i think they just hate the anime
@@NoahT-c3rthey loved dragon ball if they didn't they wouldn't glaze goku feats
I'd like to add onto the size feat for DB and remind everyone that the whole size feat only accounts for universe 7. Remember, there are at least 11 other universes that, from what we know, all follow the same rules in terms of size and dimensional stacking because of DB's lore. And that's not even including alternate timelines and places outside of those 12 universes like Zeno's palace or the arena for the Tournament of Power, or ANY of the extended stuff like video games or side shows.
The reason I bring this up is because it's been proven via power scaling multiple times that there are Gods of Destruction that are capable of wiping out several, if not all of these universes, and Vegeta has been scaled above most of them, (aside from Beerus and Champa) implying that he could very well destroy several, if not all of the 12 universes, and depending on the source, even some of the places outside of them.
But still yet the fight was pretty cool besides the power scaling lol
(Not wanting to start a debate)
Princes of Pride goes so hard 😤
My king vegeta slams no diff
Which one
@ vegeta not king vegeta
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Bros not even Mangod level😭😭
Yes easily just because speed
Goku surpassing the time speed doesn’t require speed since it’s based on ki in dragon ball the person with more ki cam bypass what the person with less ki is doing
@@BATTLESOFRAP That's an explanation only given in the manga, but I will admit, it is one way you could interpret that scene.
@ I mean goku does have other feats of space and reality breaking like racing throughout all of heaven and moving in a void without it time and space
There are 3 reason why Vegeta win
First of all, He is Vegeta!
Second of all, you're not Vegeta!
Third of all, you wanna be Vegeta but you can't be Vegeta because He’s Vegeta!🗣️🔥🗣️🔥🗣️🔥
dude no. hits time skip isnt immeasurable. thats not a speed feat, thats hax this is backed up by the manga and anime multiple times . the HAX didnt work because goku was stronger at that point
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I really dont agree with this one, Marvel powerscaling is no joke, Thor has busted 8 dimensional beings and the odinforce is a high plane of existance that gives thor powers beyond anything Dragon Ball has to offer.
Also, Hakai only works if you have stronger KI than your opponent, same reason why Goku bypassed Hit's time skiiping hax.
I'm not saying that Vegeta COULD beat Thor, but when they just rub in how much stronger and faster Thor is, I get a little petty
@Unremarkable6969 This is why you shouldn't be bias in Vs Debating.
watch me 🗿
*In all seriousness, this video isn't saying Vegeta would beat Thor, I'm saying that their analysis for Vegeta is inaccurate. I don't know too much about Marvel comics scaling, but Thor likely has better feats. But currently, I don't know enough to say anything.
Firstly the hakai point
That only works with ki due to ki just having a hax negation property also the fact hits timeskip only has that description in the manga the anime doesn't
Also the fact you can't just randomly called someone 8d explaining why they are 8d
Because I can just say goku beat a boundless being and vegeta scales to that and that's just as valid as your statement
Comic Thor consistently holds back against powerful characters. Not to mention, Thor has far more impressive feats than Vegeta. Like yo Goku and Vegeta is not beating Thor.
Dunno enough about Marvel scaling so idk
@Unremarkable6969 If you don't know shit about Marvel scaling then why did you make this
Cause I like views and money 🗿
@Unremarkable6969 OK, but how do Goku and Vegeta infinite speed. Barry Allen and Wally West Flash do not have infinite speed, and those two can threaten Dc multiverse with their raw speed alone. Not to mention, how did Goku get tagged by a bullet or a laser gun if he was faster than the flash himself.
Reizo barry and allen have infinite speed no more than that immeasurable and he already explained in the video how goku and vegeta have infinite speed higher infact oh and the way goku got tagged by a bullet and laser is cause he let his ki down and was caught offguard.
Death Battle hates Dragon Ball
No they don't lmao.
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Yes.
@@Eminster cope
Broly won against the Hulk (even tho he could have arguably lost with ease)
I'm realizing I have an exam that I need to write in 5 hours. I also realized. I don't care; Unremarkable uploaded
so based
*seriously tho, best of luck
Marvel and DC have too many plot problems that they characters can be too strong or beaten by regular gun, arrow or even fking rok. Like Spider-Man can hurt Hulk, who can't be hurted by rockets. Superman that can't dodge kryptonite bullet that supposed to be really slow (it's not even Batman's thing).
4:13 further proof goku and vegeta are portrayed as equal in base and their strongest form which would mean ue is the same multiplier as ui(for now since the forms seem to constantly evolve)
Mhmhmhmhmhm
Mhmhmhmhmhm
Unremarkable.
There is a thing you need to know, god ki absorbed into base form was actually a idea abandoned/scrapped after battle of gods or after resurrection F.
Copy Vegeta slapped the dogshit outta SSJ3 Gotenks, something a non-God amped Vegeta would not be able to do
@@Unremarkable6969 you forgot vegeta legit got a weird rage boost in the battle of God that made him the second strongest. So vegeta destroying gotenks isn't out of the picture
@SansINess53 Rage boosts aren't permeant, Gohan being an obvious example
You should do Ben 10 vs Green Lantern
Only if I can get DiamondBolt for it
*In all seriousness, maybe
Alien X was nerfed to hell
@@justsomeguywholovesberserk6375The omnitrix itself was nerfed to hell(confirmed to have Tachyon levels of reaction speed, the anti death fail safe would be able to react to Green Lantern)
@@Kuledud3_Fan
Please no, I don't want another dude pulling an InkTank and only talking about Ben while openly admitting they don't know shit about the DC Character
Thor VS Vegeta was debatable
Planing to talk about mewtwo vs shadow in death battle???
Eventually probably
6:47 the wont crucify you in the comments they will just say thor slams vegeta and give no explanation like its something everyone knows by instinct(seriously why are none of you explaining thors scaling he already said he doesnt know much about comics)
Update: I was right
Just debated two thor fans one of them tried scaling thor(forgot to give some context about things) and the other just said thor beats vegeta without providing any scaling and just listed one ability(didnt list source aswell)
There's tons of people explaining in replies. What are you talking about?
@@highlandave8507 are any of them older than 11 hours
@@highlandave8507 how old is the oldest one
4:39 to explain just how much stronger goku got i will list somethings
Firstly kale is much stronger than ssjb goku then gets even stronger goku then after uio ran out the first time became strong enough to fight kale while see had help(he didnt fully recover yet)this likely means his base is stronger than his previous ssjb or even ssjbk×10 now when goku used ssjbk×10 again he was called equal to the spirit bomb(not directly but still applies)now uio goku is stronger than the spirit bomb so that means its multipier is ssjbk^2 now goku later in the arc surpassed his uio 1 self in base and then got even stronger throughout the arc
Meaning base goku by the end of top exceeds uio 1 goku and maybe even uio 2
It's really shows how much Goku can go further beyond with few minutes or even seconds, It literally only took about 40 minutes.
This comment section is something else man what kind of community have you created 😭regardless even though Goatku and Wegeta solo they don't so it is what it is, bum ahh comic runs to glaze their characters to complex multi+ etc. though
I don't control them, I make content and they come
@@Nitrogenic goku is low complex ur point
I can explain where 7D goku comes from. The living world is 4D since it has its own space time. The visual novel for the broly movie says that the swirling lights dimension is a hyperspace that would make the living world 5D. You obviously showed that statement that says Heaven transcends the living world making it 6D. Zenos deminsion while not stated, should be 7D at minimum since it sees the infinite macrocosms as basically marbles. This means Zamasu taking over a timeline should be 7D since 1 timeline is made up of an infinite number of possibilities and every possibility creates another entire Omniverse, as proven by the fact that Trunks branch has his own Zeno. Goku said he could take care of infinite zamasu if he had a senzu, so that means goku was confident in beating an Infinite 7D(immortal) being
A couple things. First off, the DoSSL(Broly movie one) is called "super dimensional", not a hyperspace, though you could still very easily argue it's +1 dimensionality over whatever construct you think it's super dimensional to. And secondly you can just use the hyper timeline(The temporal dimension of the overarching timeline that contains the space times of the universes) to get 7D instead of Zeno's realm.
You can scale it higher with Garlic Jr Deadzone stated to be Superspace which is 5D and argue High hyperversal with the Dragon Ball Super website stated that Dragon ball has many worlds interpretation.
can you link the statement from the DBS website?
Only use this if you really want to wank Vegeta to High hyperversal but unfortunately he doesn’t really scale to this tbh.
@@Unremarkable6969 It's not letting me link the page, but it's the one talking about time travel in DB
If vegeta used water vegeta he would win instantly
Don't care about who wins, the problem I have is them saying Ultra Ego HAS THE SAME FREAKING MULTIPLYER AS BLUE EVOLUTION!!
Mhmhmhmhmhmhm
Thanks for this, I just saw the toasterXD video and they don't compare feats to say why Thor wins they just say "So yeah sorry but Thor wins" I'm about to make a power scaling channel man. You nailed it though, comic boom fans dont understand the db cosmology and how insane the zamasu merging with multiple timelines is.
ToasterXD is definitely a person
lmao what?
@ToasterXD oh hey it's the guy
Yeah Deathbattle research is ass but the out come is the same thor would murder Vegeta their scaling & feats are like night & day
Bro the afterlife transands dimensions it doesn't only transand the mortal realm. Outer goku is not based on koyama statements.
They taking about comics Thor btw
@@zvayroedit I know. Currently, I don't know enough about Marvel scaling to say who would win definitively, knowing Death Battle they likely lowballed Thor too. This video was similar to my Goku VS Superman debunks, in that I'm pointing out their inaccuracies with scaling Dragon Ball.
So what is your take on goku vs sonic?
Sonic wins, currently, from the information I know.
For example, Infinite is stated to be the strongest foe Sonic's ever faced, which includes the Time Eater and Solaris, and Sonic beat him in base form. Solaris is stated to be a Super Dimensional being, and the Time Eater was threatening a potentially infinite amount of time lines. Infinite is stronger than that, and Sonic beat him in base.
@Unremarkable6969 I might have to delete the comment before the goku fans come and see the come btw
@@AydenWilliams-z3k You're fine
Who do you think is stronger:
CC Goku
Jump Force Goku
Fortnite Goku
Correct me if I'm wrong but didn't whis mention that if you're just generally stronger than your opponent than you can just bypass stuff like hit's timeskip
That was in the DBS manga, not the anime. While it could be a potential explanation for skeptical scalers, and a valid one, Goku forcing himself into the future is similarly valid, in my opinion.
Shadow still a bum and loses to Ryomen Sukuna keep comedy I feel your pain 🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥
Sukuna doesn't make it past Amy 💀
@Unremarkable6969 Sukuna outhaxxes and has better skill than Amy
@Unremarkable6969 we can discuss that
@FastHealer93199 Doesn't mean anything if he can't even hit Amy
@@FastHealer93199 If you want to
Thor is a marvel comic character he’s Thor is just broken
Another L from dead battle
Compe thor vs weakest vegeta
Thor in the comics has a lot of busted feats, but he doesn't beat current Vegeta
@Unremarkable6969 xeno vegeta ?
@@IamHim-z6i current DBS Vegeta
@@Unremarkable6969How do you say that and admit you haven't read a comic?
@highlandave8507 I can say a lot of things.
My actual thoughts are similar to Goku VS Superman, where I don't know enough about Marvel scaling to definitively say anything.
This video is also similar in that it's meant to correct their scaling for Vegeta more than anything else, even if it doesn't change the outcome.
Bro didnt debunk shit ☠
I only care about Dragon Ball scaling 🗿
@@Unremarkable6969 Why call it a debunk if your changes to vegeta's stats dont even affect the outcome lmfao
Cause I wanted to 🗿
@@Unremarkable6969 Youre not him buddy
@@juliomedina-pq2oieverything he mentioned scales above thor and this is literally a lowball
Thor without his hammer smacked destiny, fate and causality away to an infinite point in the future from the present to where it would not be relevant anymore to himself of asgardians
Was able to go toe to toe and even kill sentry as he was being corrupted by the void which is impressive since the Void was immune to scarlet witches outervsal, multiversal reality warping power and he was caught off guard as well
Marvel characters by default have higher dimensionality since. Marvel cosmological rules make everyone outerversal as their dreams power multiverses which then power divisons of universes that spawn into more dreams which create more multiverses. Even the main 616 universe that everyone lives in. in marvel is inside of a dream of someone else which has infinite timeslines generating off it....Making even the regular human in marvel outerversal off rip....Which also explains why some of the most random OP shit can happen in obscure marvel comics like A police man beating the shit out of thanos, or squirrel girl coming into existence as a character.
Multiple characters have almost uprooted the asgardian world tree that would flipped the multiverse upside down and thor casually upscales from said characters
Resistance to soul, reality, mind, magic , molecular based hax multiple times
Defeated the black winter who can induce ultimate conceptual death seperate from the concept of death inherit to marvels cosmology. and surpassed "life bringer" galactus in power who was rivling the molecule man who remade the entirety of marvels cosmology instantly. And thor sonned this guy hard...Btw the black winter for context how much of a power vibe this guy. He takes vacations from marvel and goes to DC to fuck around before returning back to marvel (Alot of high tiers in both marvel and DC to this actually even the One above all)
I am not sure on strength cause I don’t think they ment 4d but still does destroy Thor so
Ya that makes sense that vegeta ultra ego is stronger than MUI considering he did a better fight to granola than Goku. Death battle forgot that Goku have the god ki in his base form proving he can destroy a universe in base. And vegeta match that by himself while fighting granola that say he can move faster than instinct transmission which is immersible faster than the speed of light and vegeta did perform it.That even say that tournament of power ssj3 Goku is stronger than world breaker hulk something that Thor can beat. But vegeta manage to shake the null realm a play who is a infinite of nothingness but how can you shake something that is nothing so they use his energy to the infinite and shake that both MUI Goku and Jiren. And ultra ego vegeta is stronger than them.
Vegeta a few times above light speed, it’s more consistence to say
Even bum-ass battle scales DB speed better than you
4:36 Sorry but I disagree with the SSJ God boost and here's why.
Goku didn't convert the ssj god ki into his regular base form ki, now I'm not saying that Goku didn't absorbed the power at all but base off of what I've seen in the anime and B.O.G film Goku didn't convert it into normal ki that mortals use but instead by absorbing the god ki Goku ended up gaining two pools of ki inside his body that being the god ki and his own ki.
This makes sense given that in the anime when Goku said he didn't felt any changes in power despite being in his ssj1 form and if Goku really had converted the god ki into his regular ki then Goku would have either been in his ssj3 form since it's implying that he is still going all out at that point or Goku would have released that he's even stronger than before since he's only outputting 12.5% of his power.
While yes the others can sense Goku's ki at that point their reaction to his ki didn't imply that Goku got exponentially more powerful then he was before and while Beerus did answer Goku's question on the matter it was more like Beerus was giving an educational guess since prior to the answer Beerus was confused as to what was going with Goku and when Goku asked Beerus what was going on Beerus said "how should I know".
Episode 53 also supports this when Goku, Beerus, and Whis were heading back to U7 after a ssj2 Goku fought Zamasu, Goku commented on how Zamasu's strength reminded him of his fight with Beerus. This means that a ssj2 Goku at the beginning of the "Goku Black Arc" is comparable to a ssj god Goku from the "B.O.G Arc" in strength which would make sense given that Goku trained for three years in the "R.O.S.A.T" In the "Universe 6 Arc"
So yeah Goku's regular base form didn't surpass the ssj god power he used against Beerus in the B.O.G arc and movie.
Wrong Firstly beerus doesn't sense any god ki within goku that's why he doesn't have any
Secondly he doesn't automatically transform goku was too focused on the fight and his power in ssj was equal to his ssjg self so he didn't notice it going away also the fact he got stronger than that
Also beerus has just seen this form for the first time do you expect him to know how it works already? Also the fact he explains goku made the power his own
And lastly the zamasu point
Firstly beerus made it clear when talking to trunks about the fight that there was no why goku would lose meaning he was likely holding back(he was in ssj2 for no reason)also the fact the reason he said that is zamaus is the second god(to his knowledge)he ever fought not because of powerlevels
Damn, death battle really hates dragon ball.
I like vegeta but I still think thor beats him no diff
if you do a debunk on pokemon vs digimon and prove how pokemon should've won.. in 50 years or less.. i will give you a lots of money when i become successful
I do like money 🤔
@@Unremarkable6969 so do we have a deal?
@@somechupacabrawithinternet8866Lie through your teeth right? Digimon does not beat Pokemon. That's like saying Naruto would beat Ichigo💀💀💀💀
@@highlandave8507 pardon?
Yes we do
So does vegeta win or am i hoping
idk maybe
@Unremarkable6969 bro's the power scaler and doesnt know 💀 i still enjoy the vids though, keep it up
@@thatonerandomloser1311are power scalers supposed to omniscient?
@@ahmedriyad4264 they should fr.
Okay (I agree)
@@cavelstone9545 my man 😎
yes....thor would win. dc characters are just stronger then dragon ball
How do you even compare vegeta to thor there is no way vegeta would survive the godblast and i dont think thor even needs the godblast i mean thor has outerversal feats since the 60s ... Yes vegeta is a great character but he could not even hurt current thor or even the one from the 60s i think even young thor could beat current vegeta fairly easy but if you use current thor please tell me how vegeta beats someone who now has the Thorforce, Odinforce,power of zeus, Gaia,and the pheonix force,plus the power cosmic because its not happening...
To be fair, I don't know much about Marvel comics or scaling for the mainline Thor, so maybe he is really Outerversal, idk. You can get Vegeta to Outerversal, from what I've seen, but I generally take a more conservative approach to scaling.
@Unremarkable6969 fair enough
@@Unremarkable6969 but remember to get DB to outerversal you have to use wrong Translations and stuff i dont get why u Guys got a Problem with Marvel or DC Just being surpirior i mean These Characters are written for 80+ years and got consistent Outer and higher scaling since then the words you Guys used for scaling come mostly come from Comics Imagine trying to debunk a Verse where Most of the scaling words come from... i mean its crazy Not to be mean but how do you try to debunk Death Battle and Thor Marvel when you dont even know about them and the scaling ?
@@SpiritofVengeance17 -_-
Thor does win but they lowball Vegeta heavily
mhmhmhmhmhmhmhmhm
They made Anime and Manga Vegeta being treated as one, but they used that to nerf how much Blue Evolution buff SSGSS.
Bro plz read comics before making this L videos
@@ChamupaJayasinghe No 🗿
@Unremarkable6969 then don't make these video u don't know how op is comic thor
@@ChamupaJayasinghe don't care 🗿
Thor is overwanked. Composite Aizen one shots. Yeah Vegeta obliterates thor, thor aint even Outer. lol.
Bruh level of scaling
For the most part I agree with you with the dragon Ball scaling but DB also low end Thor and by a much bigger degree
Since when this was made Thor had not only the odin force but the power cosmic thats like not giving vegeta ultra ego thor still wins either way since hes outerversal in base anyway with imesrbal speed and better hax and stamina
You can get Vegeta to Outerversal too but idk
Not the super vegeta
If you're going to heigh ball dragon ball
Then you can reasonably get sore to multiple layers into mid out of vessel in Base alone
If you're talking about zeno vegeta then sure I actually agree with that but at that point if you can use different versions of the characters and only fair to use stuff like rune king Thor who has narrative hax
And when it comes to st evidence for out of a survival it's mostly in the classic doctor strange runs which base Thor scales to
@@Unremarkable6969 sorry I forgot to ask you in the reply to your reply
Dimensional tiering gives me a headache, I'm not saying you spefically did this, but the characters being wanked to like 5th dimensional, with nothing really to support it or reasoning behind dimensionality as a concept in the series.
If you think time is the fourth dimension, destroying time would put you at least at 4D, if not 5D, and being above or Transcending Time would be 5D
Another Garbage Inaccurate Video from @Unremarkable. Thor soloes the Dragon Ball verse. You toxic Dragon Ball Fangirls are far too obsessed with pretending that Goku & Vegeta are omnipotent.
Another 🧐
@@Unremarkable6969To be honest I don't understand what he is bitching about here
I stop watching at 1:00 because you don’t even read your own scan. The panel you showed is literally talking about a technique not that gornella wtv is faster than instant teleport. Literally the context of that panel is abt a technique bro nice try😭😭
@@simple_majin except Granolah moving faster than instant transmission is consistent considering he and Gas use it later in the arc during their fight, and they can react to each other so this is still consistent
@ predicting where someone going to teleport it doesn’t mean your faster 😭🙏 unless that’s what your implying
Na😂
Yea 🗿
@Unremarkable6969 na thor win
@@CarlosBlanco-n1khe never said thor wouldn't win he was just showing us how they lowballed vegeta
Goku is outer and before okay whatever you do you derpy derp there is plenty of evidence lol regardless good video when people say that Goku has 7d power and etc please 🙏 consider doing more research instead of just dismissing them and cool whatever 😅 heck I’ll even help with dbz scaling 😼 for FREE
I'm just saying, most scalers won't accept 7D Goku and up. There is evidence for it, I'll definitely admit that, but it won't stand in a debate with a skeptical scaler.
@@Unremarkable6969 okay I’ll agree there are lot there are a lot of scalers out there who will believe whatever what regardless of what you show them and most people won’t accept the idea goku scaling above 5d because they don’t want to accept but I don’t that’s just my opinion on the matter but thanks for responding
Goku isn't outerversal (like most characters that are claimed to be). He just isn't
@WarCrimeGaming ☝️🤓
I got nerd reacted before GTA 6 came out. It's so over for me
Eh, i think even tho i like Vegeta, i think Thor would still win, but with extremely high difficulty, like Vegeta would almost win
But... if were talking Shadow The Hedgehog vs. Thor, yeah, no doubt about it. Shadow wins low diff with doom powers without doom powers high diff
Shadow solos 😤
@Unremarkable6969
Archie Sonic vs Wally West was rigged Archie Sonic would beyond neg diff Wally
@@Karson-Duh-Foxcope…
@@Sk3lat0rRofficialSpeed force doesn't translate to Marvel when dc vs marvel happened (it's canon) meanwhile chaos force affects the Sonic multiverse and the Megaman one, confirming it being on higher dimension than the speed force.
So yeah, archie sonic wins with little to no problem
@@nehen2225 that doesn’t confirm a thing u should’ve said that sonic can win by bfr or something flash has easily kept up with higher dimensional beings to and also can take sonic’s speed rendering him useless
Even if they scaled wrong asf thor still obliterates almost any DB character