Best part of this video is the puppy at the start. SOOOOOO .. . . you give the VO2 MAX TEST . .. then you dont say what her VO2 max is . .. what is the point? Knowing it wont change anything
It would be interesting to hear an explanation of why you won't reveal Lucy's results. What competitive advantage might theoretically be lost if the number was made public?
Lucy/Reece, I don't understand why you wouldn't publish the VO2 max number. You know as well as me (in fact you allude to it in the comments) that VO2 max doesn't correlate to ironman performance (nor any other long distance performance) and so offers no competitive information to others, contrary to what some of the other commenters below might think. For competitive reasons I understand why you wouldn't want to publish LT/VT 1 and 2 nor power output, (although Lionel Sanders does, but he doesn't lose races because of that, he manages to beat himself quite effectively 😅). For the vast majority of athletes VO2 max is a relatively meaningless, if interesting, number.
That's what makes Lionel's/Talbot's videos to be so interesting to watch. Because you can see all his work up front. I like to think also Lionel posts data because he couldn't care less if competitors know his numbers and more like here you go 400W for 6 minutes and lactate of 2.3 come get me.
Would be great to hear your VO2 Max score as there is no benefit to your fellow competitors in knowing this but I understand you guys reticence in giving out any testing data.
I would love to see a what I eat in a day video because it would be cool to see how you get in all the extra calories for the amount your burning as an athlete myself I know how important that is love your channel btw ❤️
two questions: was your lactate threshold determined to be happening at 4mmol before? i know it's the average value to happen at but there there huge outliers. second one: no fatmax testing?
doing that test in ERG mode would surely have limited the numbers quite a bit as you just cant push your max watts while at 40rpm. i made that mistake before on a ramp test and it was pathetic. re-did the test a few days later on resistance only mode and got 30 watts higher FTP as a result of being able to spin properly
ERG adjusts resistance in response to your cadence to maintain the same power. Most riders naturally slow down cadence towards the point of complete exhaustion in a vo2 max test so it looks like they're grinding, when really they could still be spinning 95 rpm if they weren't on borrowed time and above vo2 max. In essence, the cadence throughout the test is entirely self-selected.
@@peterwilson1831 have you actually used erg mode ? the second you dont push the set watts it ups the resistance so high you cant pedal and forces you to drop cadence. this is fact and why pretty much everyone only uses it for easy riding efforts. you cant self select cadenece as easily with erg mode on
@@sealcycle2020 Lucy and Lionel both best result is second in Kona. Lucy had 2 wins in 2019 and Lionel had 4 wins, but sure, what ever. They are both great.
@@gabbechico8471 don't remember Sanders talking about the results of a VO2Max test. Because there is no upside in making it public only potential downsides
i wouldn't worry about it...vo2 max is not really as important as it was once thought. She grew up as a swimmer, so it's no surprise her vo2 might be higher than someone who grew up as a cyclist or runner.
For everyone that keeps asking "Why aren't you posting the data, it doesn't mean anything." If you know the competitions physiology and ability to produce power, you can implement race tactics that go against them. E.g., some athletes have a high lactate threshold, others don't. Similar to power output, some have a higher VO2max, and a greater top-end. The ones that do can go out fast, pace the race on their terms, and in essence, fatigue the ones with a lower lactate threshold. On the flip side, the race starts slow, and it results in a sprint finish --> even if you have a higher lactate threshold, the ones with a greater VO2max and/or power output would have a lot left in the tank (regardless of lactate threshold) because the pace was slow throughout - will in turn win the sprint finish. Furthermore there is a psychological element to this. You don't let your competition know the cards you can play, you keep them hidden so you can put fear in your competition.
Agree. there is still cooling effect on the bike 100% unless this is literally just a a test to see what is the max you can possibly sweat at that heat
Not really this is something all of the top level athletes do in the winter. I am sure this was planned months ago. We are just greatful Lionel and Lucy share it with us! :)
@@audrey-annbrunelle1277 yea sure, becoming as fast as a pro is as simple as emulating their metrics. If only technique, racing tactics, form, psyche didn't matter...
@@kevinn9069 not too mention the fact I know Lionel's threshold is around 410W for a hour really doesn't change anything lol emulating can be pretty darn difficult to begin with then yes throw on top as you say racing tactics, form etc and sharing some data here or there really doesn't matter in my opinion
Threshold is likely 4.8-5.0 w/kg or 280-290w, VO2 max maybe 25% higher at 340w and for a relative VO2 of 70-72. There's not too much mystery in what it takes to be a world class triathlete on the bike, I don't know why you would hide the data-nothing would be surprising.
you told some dudes vo2max but left out Lucys vo2max.... maybe that dude with 81 in vo2max was like you and didnt want his numbers out. a shame that you dont tell and make this type of clickbait videos. you will not get a like this time, but also no dislike. guess her vo2max is between 60-65 and so what? you can beat a person with close to 70 and lose to a person with 55. if the medals were to be given in the lab there are many olympic champions out there
WTF, you just named that video "Lucy Charles VO2 Max Test" and don't even disclose the results ?! We all know what a vo2 max test looks like, there is no point to this video
Another voice here just to say why make this video and then not publish the number. Literally clickbait. Such a shame to ruin an an otherwise insightful video.
Glad I watched this video to not even see the results of her VO2 Max results. What a fail. Why did you shoot the video? then tease us with not disclosing the outcome. STUPID. Maybe Redbull wanted to keep it a secret. Who knows!
I watch the whole video and you didn’t even give the VO2 Max I can’t give you a like for that one
nice one bro
An FTP test, Metabolic assessment and bloodwork done all at once. Looks like you found a way to make the suffering even more fun!
Would love to see what your nutrition and a what you eat in a day style video! Thanks for the great content loves!
Best part of this video is the puppy at the start.
SOOOOOO .. . . you give the VO2 MAX TEST . .. then you dont say what her VO2 max is . .. what is the point? Knowing it wont change anything
It would be interesting to hear an explanation of why you won't reveal Lucy's results. What competitive advantage might theoretically be lost if the number was made public?
you can predict if she's a "punchy" rider or a "long aerobic effort" rider so you can develop tactics to beat her in a race
my guess, I dunno tho
None. Really.
Arthur Asulyan but we know already....
I'd guess pride is involved as well as a much more competitive matter
@@deogratias948 True
Lucy/Reece, I don't understand why you wouldn't publish the VO2 max number. You know as well as me (in fact you allude to it in the comments) that VO2 max doesn't correlate to ironman performance (nor any other long distance performance) and so offers no competitive information to others, contrary to what some of the other commenters below might think. For competitive reasons I understand why you wouldn't want to publish LT/VT 1 and 2 nor power output, (although Lionel Sanders does, but he doesn't lose races because of that, he manages to beat himself quite effectively 😅). For the vast majority of athletes VO2 max is a relatively meaningless, if interesting, number.
That's what makes Lionel's/Talbot's videos to be so interesting to watch. Because you can see all his work up front. I like to think also Lionel posts data because he couldn't care less if competitors know his numbers and more like here you go 400W for 6 minutes and lactate of 2.3 come get me.
Would be great to hear your VO2 Max score as there is no benefit to your fellow competitors in knowing this but I understand you guys reticence in giving out any testing data.
I would love to see a what I eat in a day video because it would be cool to see how you get in all the extra calories for the amount your burning as an athlete myself I know how important that is love your channel btw ❤️
two questions: was your lactate threshold determined to be happening at 4mmol before? i know it's the average value to happen at but there there huge outliers.
second one: no fatmax testing?
Lucy is a beast 🔥
Okay why bother making a video if you're not going to tell us what the data is
doing that test in ERG mode would surely have limited the numbers quite a bit as you just cant push your max watts while at 40rpm. i made that mistake before on a ramp test and it was pathetic. re-did the test a few days later on resistance only mode and got 30 watts higher FTP as a result of being able to spin properly
ERG adjusts resistance in response to your cadence to maintain the same power. Most riders naturally slow down cadence towards the point of complete exhaustion in a vo2 max test so it looks like they're grinding, when really they could still be spinning 95 rpm if they weren't on borrowed time and above vo2 max. In essence, the cadence throughout the test is entirely self-selected.
@@peterwilson1831 wrong
@@peterwilson1831 have you actually used erg mode ? the second you dont push the set watts it ups the resistance so high you cant pedal and forces you to drop cadence. this is fact and why pretty much everyone only uses it for easy riding efforts. you cant self select cadenece as easily with erg mode on
The LSander's effect.
with the difference that LS has no problem sharing his results
6:14 : is this the sharp turn of the descent down to Haria on Lanza?
Subscribed 😍
What kind was a protocol? (Time, watts, distance)
We want to see the results!! Look at Lionel Sanders, he shares his data.
Other than that, really good video
so? Lionel sucks, who cares?
@@sealcycle2020 Lucy and Lionel both best result is second in Kona. Lucy had 2 wins in 2019 and Lionel had 4 wins, but sure, what ever. They are both great.
this process seems more legit than Lionel's - beats getting pricked every few minutes
She was pricked every 4 minutes. They just didn't show them all.
So what was Lucy's result or did I miss you saying it? 🤷♂️
They're not making it public. Understandably tbh
@@chmart why? Sanders publics his. Not like that number will benefit the other ones.
@@gabbechico8471 don't remember Sanders talking about the results of a VO2Max test.
Because there is no upside in making it public only potential downsides
i wouldn't worry about it...vo2 max is not really as important as it was once thought. She grew up as a swimmer, so it's no surprise her vo2 might be higher than someone who grew up as a cyclist or runner.
@@chmartname a few? They've already said it's abnormal and of little consequence in ironman racing. I'm just curious if she beat 81.
For everyone that keeps asking "Why aren't you posting the data, it doesn't mean anything." If you know the competitions physiology and ability to produce power, you can implement race tactics that go against them. E.g., some athletes have a high lactate threshold, others don't. Similar to power output, some have a higher VO2max, and a greater top-end. The ones that do can go out fast, pace the race on their terms, and in essence, fatigue the ones with a lower lactate threshold. On the flip side, the race starts slow, and it results in a sprint finish --> even if you have a higher lactate threshold, the ones with a greater VO2max and/or power output would have a lot left in the tank (regardless of lactate threshold) because the pace was slow throughout - will in turn win the sprint finish. Furthermore there is a psychological element to this. You don't let your competition know the cards you can play, you keep them hidden so you can put fear in your competition.
You guys should come out to train in Stellenbosch, South Africa in Jan/Feb
My V02 max is 39. :(
LOL, rectal thermometer @ 6:54!
just use thumb
Wow, great job on the lab tests! Lovely to see how it's all done. And yes, you're a freak but a fast beautiful athletic freak! 😂
There should have been a fan during the kona test. Theres always gonna be wind cooling her down on the bike.
Agree. there is still cooling effect on the bike 100% unless this is literally just a a test to see what is the max you can possibly sweat at that heat
Why should she tell people her VO2max?! The video is about the test itself, not about her personal results...
Best shoulders in the biz
what's the point of watching a VO2max videos if we don't see the final score??? Not much transparency here!
What is the name of the song near the beginning?
Flavors Oomiee
I zwifted for about a year without a fan... (too lazy to go out an buy one?) best heat stress training ever.
Did i hear right?.." We are going to measure your rectal core temperature" .. Hah that's dedication..
Kona condition without air moving fans? How is that a Kona simulation?
Ha Lucy, only a freak will be able to win Kona! Don't depend too much on the numbers, rely on the fun!
It looks like somebody is following Lionel in RUclips... :)
haha ithought the same when i saw this
Not really this is something all of the top level athletes do in the winter. I am sure this was planned months ago. We are just greatful Lionel and Lucy share it with us! :)
@@TalbotCoxMedia you're probably right
Talbot Cox are you doing Lucy’s videos too?
too bad we dont see more data... Lionell wasnt really hiding hes power out put...
Sebastian Tri it’s a personnal choice, when you try to reach the first place after twice the second one in kona, details matters. 😊
@@audrey-annbrunelle1277 yea sure, becoming as fast as a pro is as simple as emulating their metrics. If only technique, racing tactics, form, psyche didn't matter...
@@kevinn9069 not too mention the fact I know Lionel's threshold is around 410W for a hour really doesn't change anything lol emulating can be pretty darn difficult to begin with then yes throw on top as you say racing tactics, form etc and sharing some data here or there really doesn't matter in my opinion
his numbers were amazing
Threshold is likely 4.8-5.0 w/kg or 280-290w, VO2 max maybe 25% higher at 340w and for a relative VO2 of 70-72. There's not too much mystery in what it takes to be a world class triathlete on the bike, I don't know why you would hide the data-nothing would be surprising.
She has got 80ml/min/kg it has been recorded by the lab where she did the test , that’s pretty hot number don’t you think ?
:D
Im dead after 35 sec... can i make ironman?
So, you have things to hide...
What is the point in this video? Stopped watching halfway into the video when it became aware they would'nt be pulishing the numbers!
I dont really see the point in this video?
Hmmm not cool hiding the #
Are you seriously not gonna tell us what the VO2 number was…… Lionel Sanders would’ve said everything. It’s not a competitive advantage lol
low numbers I suspect
no numbers = no like :-(
agreed... we all want to feel smashed by lucy
you told some dudes vo2max but left out Lucys vo2max.... maybe that dude with 81 in vo2max was like you and didnt want his numbers out. a shame that you dont tell and make this type of clickbait videos. you will not get a like this time, but also no dislike. guess her vo2max is between 60-65 and so what? you can beat a person with close to 70 and lose to a person with 55. if the medals were to be given in the lab there are many olympic champions out there
Not even a Kona champ and can’t share the VO2 max?... whatever
Vo2max test video without results? Thumbs down, unsubscribe. Don’t make this video if you don’t want to share. Or at least give it a different name.
WTF, you just named that video "Lucy Charles VO2 Max Test" and don't even disclose the results ?! We all know what a vo2 max test looks like, there is no point to this video
Another voice here just to say why make this video and then not publish the number. Literally clickbait. Such a shame to ruin an an otherwise insightful video.
Clickbait.
Clickbait at it's finest.
clickbait
would have been a much better video if some of the results were revealed finished watching the video but ended up very disappointed
Well that was a total waste of my time, you did the various tests then told us nothing. What pretentious clickbait trash. Unsuscribed!
Glad I watched this video to not even see the results of her VO2 Max results. What a fail. Why did you shoot the video? then tease us with not disclosing the outcome. STUPID. Maybe Redbull wanted to keep it a secret. Who knows!
Disappointing video:(((
Had to thumbs down. It’s dumb not to give the vo2max clickbait
Pretty stupid video. No point in it if you're not going to publish the results.
No results?? Unsubscribed 👎👎
Pretty annoying to make this kind of video and not giving the tests outputs. Lionel is the king
Bahhh click bait. Keep the data a secret then, bye bye Lucy 👏 (unsubbed)