Top 12 of Corps That No Longer Exist - Part 2
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- Опубликовано: 5 сен 2024
- WIth the demise of The Cadets, DCI now has 26 corps that have competed in DCI Finals that no longer exist. Today we will look at corps 6 through 1.
I have put together an extensive ranking system and feel that I have come up with a reasonably accurate list ranking corps by historical impact.
The scoring was done as follows...
for every finals appearance.. 5 points
and additional set of points is based on average finals placement as an example.. Average finish of one is worth 12 points and12th is worth one.
7 additional points is awarded for a top five finish and 15 points for a championship.
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The Racine Kilties had incredible uniforms. They were one of the best corps by far for a number of seasons. I remember the night at a competition ('65 I think) in Kenosha or Racine when there was all this excitement about The Racine Scouts. They finished last for most of the season which didn't make sense because they were always in the top 2or 3 the season before. Being very poor in the standings they started first that season and where thought of as on the edge of folding. But this night, they were going on last. So everyone waited and waited and waited, (20min at least).Then, this huge corps started coming on in one long perfect line wearing, red, white and blue battle jackets. The sharpest we've ever seen. They placed their instruments on the starting line and then in unison, on command, pulled off coverings on their chrome helmets with red plumes and put them on. The crown just went all crazy. And that performance was so incredible. The crown was just mesmerized by it all.
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I think ? the Scouts first showing of their new uniforms ( 1964 ? ) was the Kenosha, WI Kingsmen show, aways Memorial Day Weekend and a huge parade ! New Nickname also " The Chrome Domes " The Kingsmen show often was the first show for the season.
The Best Of times. The 60's era for my drum corps !
@@ralphgeigner5497 Yes, unfortunately for them it did not age well . But it was quite the look that season. And their performance was always perfection.
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The parades were a big thing those days, not just for Drum Corps. I believe The Lake Band and The Continentals combined had over 700 members and at one time had dozens of busses. It was like an invasion. But for parade Drum corps at one time, no unit had more moxie than The Phantom Regiment. They had a drum line twice the size and put them in the front (opposite everyone else). For pageantry, they had a huge color guard along the sides and center of the horn section with enormous purple/white flags . I think they had over 120 members at the time. As they came through the parade route, they were quite the sight see and hear ( people covered their ears, windows rattled). They were in a class all their own.
@@thomcarr7021 Hello, I remember Lake Band and how big they were, 3 guys played with the Kenosha Kingsmen, there also was The Racine Elks Band, After The Morton Grove, IL Spartans folded, ( I Liked that corps ) Often mergers didn't' work out, it was a big benefit for a few Chicago area corps for more members. Many went to the Royal Airs and Vanguards.
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I think it was easier to start a Drum and Bulge Corps compared to a band. That's why there were so many. Less instruments and simpler music. Drum Corps people loathed bands because they were..well...bands. No precision drills and all that annoying tingie sound from the xylophones and alike. Bands could never get to the Alpha crescendo moments , the 60+ horns all at once full volume doing only what they can do.
I believe those strange instruments were called "tromboniums". I think Madison Scouts also used them for one year.
You are correct. They didn't last long because they had terrible projection.
Glassmen sewing crew was the best. Great shoutout! We were the best tailored corps and it was not just the uniforms, it was their tireless effort.
My director marched The Bridgemen back in the 80s, had the pleasure of being taught by Delucia. We had a warm up exercise honoring something they probably played: Bridgemen Tribute #12. A swiss exercise with a bit of a groove.
I had completely forgot about the gunshots from the umpires. I remember that from older shows.
The Bridgemen never competed in DCA, they were part of the Alumni
The guard tried a competition in Scranton ...I was in that alumni guard ...but as a whole ... didn't compete DCA
As a Raiders alumnus, I feel a kinship with the Bridgemen, and have a unique perspective on the Jersey Surf, especially in the mid 00's.
BRIDGEMEN: The corps did fold in 1986 but came back in 1987 under a different parent organization. We competed as an Open class corps even though we were an A-60 sized corps which was a bad, and very prideful decision by management. Had we competed in A-60 I have no doubt we would have won because we beat the eventual A-60 Champions, the Mandarins, a week earlier at the U.S. Open Class A Championship by 7 full points. We had a much better quality corps in 1988 and were smarter and planned from the get go to compete in A-60. We were confident from Day 1 that we would have won. The eventual downfall was money. The chief financial backer, who personally owned all of the corps' assets, decided to pull the plug on the corps, without informing the board of directors or members, between the March and April camps. We members didn't find out our corps had folded until other corps started calling our members to recruit us. Our last public performance was at the St. Patrick's Day parade in West Orange, NJ in March 1988.
CADETS: The 1980's were not the Cadets first taste of success. In the pre-DCI era, the Cadets won 10 American Legion National Championships. Their title in 1983 was their first since 1964 which is why i can see that you would think this.
Just a note on your 27th Lancer history. The corps was a big re-organization when the sponsoring church kicked the I.C. Reveries out at the end of the 1967 season. 27 actually formed from that nucleus in October of '67...the best local corps ever to make it in DCI. The horn in question is a little known instrument invented in the late '30's...the trombonium.
I had classmates in high school marched Cadets and our drill designer in high school was George Zingail
I have to agree with your statement about the Black Knights, the most badass uniform in the history of drum corps! My old corps (Salina Silver Sabres) used to beat the Bluecoats and Glassmen in 77.
Suncoast 85 was a great show...and featured that great bas drum feature - the harbinger of modern bas drum lines.
Those *were* "tromboniums" in 27th. The lead bari horns were all those in '80. ( I was in fact guy #2 that you pointed out) Effortless high register, easy on the shoulders. (: not that Jimmy Wedge ever exercised our high register or finger technique :)
The build to the company front in West Side Story (Cadets) has to be on the Zingali top hits list.
My brother and I played with the Kenosha, WI Kingsmen for many years, the 60's era, actually the Kingsmen in name was a senior corps, but 10 of US were under 21, maybe ? making the Kingsmen one of the first all age corps, we had guys from WI & IL corps. The Best Of times, there was 100's of corps.
The Kingsmen had many times the first corps show of the season Memorial Day weekend and had a huge parade.
The US Air Force drum corps played 3 ? years at the show and parade.
My favorite junior corps, The Chicago Royal Airs ( TOP # 1 ) and Chicago Vanguard, Norwood Park Imperials, Racine Scouts, Kilts, Madison Scouts & Mariners & the short lived Morton Grove, IL Spartans
Senior corps, New York Skyliners, Men Of Brass, Boys of 76, Interstatesmen, Winfield Scott Rebels & Kenosha, WI Kingsmen.
The first DCI big show championship in Whitewater was my first such event to see after my return from active service USN Seabees in Spain & Morocco
Date 1972 ?
NOT !!! A fan of Over Kill Props ! Talking & Singing, Non Horn instruments and the newer uniform's !
I marched a Division 2/3 corps in 98 & 99 (Back when it was Div. 2&3) and we had a stint where we had a couple shows with the Glassman were a very classy corps not just to the big boys but they showed us smaller guys class and they allowed us to watch their rehearsals.
I've watched DCI since 1975 when Spirit of Altanta was formed to celebrate the bicentennial. It's been interesting and exciting to watch the activity evolve and innovate throughout all these years.
Favorite shows?: Anything with a flag/ rifle centerfield move during the mid to late seventies, particularly during the Bi-Centennial year in 1976, and the Cadets in 1999 and 2000.
It’s sad about ALL of these corps… I was surprised that the Cadets lasted as long as they did after “He who shall not be named” screwed them over. As soon as they announced they were not fielding a corps this year I knew it over.
Great video. While I get that this is about competitive DCI corps, you can’t really talk about the 27th Lancers and not even mention the amazing reunion corps they fielded in 1994.
I believe that the metric used, regarding impact score, is great! More to the point, I'm sad that the Corps are no longer active.
So many...
I marched Black Knights, unfortunately, I didn’t get to wear those bad ass uniforms. I marched in the 80’s before the folded.
Needless to say, straight to Suncoast.
Chilling.
Bridgeman: Marched Cavs 77 to 79. I don't know still the customs of the Cavs. If you were caught wearing another corps t-shirt? They would rip it off your body. I made it through the 77-season Bridgeman shirt in tack.
Kilties: The Corp I loved to hate. Those were big boys. 😂
Great video as always! Thank you for sharing this great list, as a mellophone ageout for Phantom Regiment this year, I find it very neat that yall bring so much information about the history of the actvity, so thank you, these are always a treat to watch.
Question!!
Is 23:13 what it was like to hear a drum corps back in the day? I have never heard a modern quality version of an older show or arrangement, because that 2016 bridgemen recording has a sparkle to it, almost as if theyre playing on old school instruments, cause that recording is LOUD!!
Hey thanks man! Appreciate it!
To answer your question.. yes and no. The sound back then was definitely different simply because of the instruments. The G bugles, while obviosly in a different key, had a different ring to them simply because the instruments themselves were of a much larger and conical bore instrument as opposed to cylindrical bores of what we have today. The cylindrical bore is a much brighter tone. An example would be to compare the tone of a trumpet to say a coronet or Flugelhorn.. or a trombone to a concert baritone. The notes can be exactly the same and sound completely different.
That said, with that particular video, you also have to consider modern digital recording equipment will also have a huge impact on the sound quality.
I was at '89 Finals as a spectator. I overheard a Suncoast guard mbr in the parking lot jokingly say...when someone complimented the hornline... "57 horns, but only 42 can play...shhhh."
Love all of them! 27th Lancers a wonderful corps. My Guardsmen color guard uniforms remind me of 27th color guard uniforms. We had a good guard too. Too many are gone, thanks for all the memories❤
Your hornline (Guardsmen) really kicked ass, too! The soloists on Tiger San Pedro ('79) gave notorious performances.
Coincidentally, I marched with Sky Ryders AND 27th Lancers. Were I to win the big lotto, I'd donate millions to drum corps. The activity is so important to young performers.
@@michaelhulett5968 my parents and I moved to Tucson in 1977. Age wise I could have marched in 79. I did not have the range of those Guardsmen soloists, but I would have contributed as a solid 2nd soprano.🙂
27th was 1967 not 1965. Corp also after 81 lost Zingali and Twiggs to Garfield. Jim Wedge was gone after 82. Corp lost their identity. 1986 the Corp had a modern show but it was too little too late.
The Cadets will return someday. It will take money but it will happen. Will be different leadership and maybe a different location, but will happen.
You fail to mention, Suncoast sound, lost their sponsor Circle K, because Circle K asked them to do a parade representing them and Suncoast sound refused. Stupid move by Suncoast sound they lost their sponsor. Additional information you're unaware of John dowling, Drum Corps Hall of Famer one of the best drum instructors in the world, volunteered to help their drumline, that's how I met John and we became close friends, we started, American Spirit, senior alumni drum and bugle Corps but Suncoast sound members including their staff poo poo dust 100%. Our intention was to help perpetuate the activity of drum and bugle Corps competition in the area the numbers we had at the time or from, New York Skyliners, Riley raiders, Hawthorne Caballeros myself Long Island sunrises, Santa Clara Vanguard, and many other former Junior and senior drum and bugle Corps call my wife at the time help raise money with their bingo nights she was a volunteer. I even approached Suncoast to help them raise money as I did Phantom Regiment and the Boston Crusaders but they turned me down as well my opinion call DCI is the main reason for the demise of what was one of the greatest activities in North america, when kids would Age out from a junior Corps, they never encouraged them to join a senior Corps, while I was in a junior Court the Floyd Bennett golden eagles from Brooklyn New York, could not wait to join a senior court and at that time senior course were much better than Juniors because their members came in from Junior c o r p s, with plenty of experience drum and bugle Corps were so popular throughout the country and Canada that more people attended competitions than Major League Baseball games. At one time in North America there were approximately 7,000 drum and bugle c o r p s a good majority, we're only for parades, and small exhibitions at major events, the both of them competed in both state and National competitions if they did well in state, they would consider going to Nationals depending on the distance and the cost. Which brings me dues for most junior members was maybe 10 or $20 for the year some paid a dollar for a rehearsal. We had sponsors like the American legion, vfw, cyo, and some corporations like Circle K for Suncoast sound., was started from a marching band that competed in bands of America, Bob Carter was there, management team leader, is background was with marching bands that's why they emulated a marching band John Dowling, help to help instruct the Drumline but they refused he's the one who developed back sticking, again Drum Corps Hall of Famer taught many national championships and yet they turned them down main reason they did not have to play rudiments for the most part in a drumline put the chin strap from the Shaker in the mouth like a high school band would do, and that was pretty much the overall attitude for most of the members they had a marching band background that's all I knew and they wouldn't listen or want to learn anything other than that. DCI has killed the activity mainly because dues are outrageous for the average family or member going on tour pulling all sorts of props it's like a three-ring circus, that's why it cost so much in the millions these days, the drummers are more focused on rim shots and juggling, it's all about visual nothing to do with real rudimental drumming chords that have most money are generally the ones that are at the top, they can buy judges they can do what they're told and they listen like sheep. Very few people attend competitions these days including DCI World Championship maybe 20,000 at best some national championships pulled in 60,000. Local competitions pulled in 6 to 20,000, depending on what drum and bugle Corps, were competing, like, Mission drums in Boston, National dream competition in Jersey City, Grand Prix, Shriners International in Toronto Canada . These competitions draw well over 20,000 plus at each and every one of them. However, I find your analogy of these organizations today very interesting and I will follow you❤❤🎉🎉❤❤😮
Dutchboy made finals: 1990
I appreciate your tireless positivity but the Cadets yakkity-shabit-ti-gock percussion vocalizations were a travesty. My biggest complaint with modern DCI is that it seems as if nobody in those key production meetings before the show gets finalized seems to have the balls to say "no". This was like a practice field gag that someone thought a serious top-tier corps should actually put on the field. Some grown-up should have said no.
if I won 3 million in the lottery I would buy the Cadets legal fee and rebrand them and move them to Virginia beach and call them Virginia Odyssey
Allentown is in Pennsylvania
Dadgum, Allentown New Jersey😂
Good videos. Way to many adds
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The dissolving company front is probably the most copied drill move in all of the marching arts. All are just pale copies of the original move.