Just pointing out once again that the first Morgan v Ahsoka fight was not a true contest because Ahsoka wanted information and couldn't kill Morgan, so she was holding back. This was highly debated at the time. Second fight she pretty much completely dominates Morgan because that was an actual deathmatch.
Both matches shouldn’t have even gone the way it did b/c Ahsoka can just lift her with the Force. She’s done this to opponents before. It’s like they just forget their characters have abilities
@@bet0v966 Night sisters are force sensitive. This makes this a different type of contest - ya, if you have a non-force sensitive opponent, throwing them around is REALLY easy. This changes against force sensitive users. This, is ultimately why it is lightsabers that end most duels, not force powers.
@@bet0v966 Nightsisters don't train in weapons at all as a rule, that is what the Nightbrothers are for. Morgan was a master among her people with the force and likely could have beaten her if they used only force powers easily, so them being at parity with weapons was a sign that Ahsoka bit off more than she could chew, and the plot armor alone caused her to win.
Speaking of the Old Republic, the Echani were a race of people who had an entire fighting style with techniques specifically designed to fight Jedi. And their traditional weapon was a staff.
Small comment on using blasters against Jedi, if you set it to sun mode the bolt breaks against the lightsaber and you don’t have to worry about deflection if the bolt. Always see your blaster to stun when facing Jedi.
@@adamallen7070 Slugthrowers permit the use of Form Zero. If a Jedi uses Form Zero, they've already won. Plus even the least protective armor in Star Wars is actually bulletproof. Armor won the arms race and forced projectiles to evolve into BlasTech to keep up. Even your basic cloth flak vest is bulletproof in Star Wars. Full head to toe Plaststeel like the Clone and Storm trooper armor were basically walking tanks who'd barely notice ballistics pinging off them. Even the underweave wouldn't be penetrated. Slugthrowers are only used by feral populations who don't have the tech base to produce BlasTech. They would be hand crafted which would make them insanely rare, prohibitedly expensive, and that's assuming you even knew the culture enough to be able to trade in the first place. Very few Jedi can block superheated energy blasts. Pretty much any force user can pull a Neo emulating the powers of 'The One' which renders solid projectiles useless. Trained force users will just hurl the same mass of lead back at the shooter. A decently trained Jedi can block blaster rounds. Only highly trained Form III practitioners can redirect it back at the shooter with any real precision. You're actually far better off using a Blaster then a Slugthrower. A blaster can force a losing mindset on a Jedi which is important to make them sloppy. A Sloppy Jedi is a dead one.
@@adamallen7070Slugthrowers only work against a Jedi who really isn’t paying attention. Jedi can block bullets with the force. (They can also do this with blaster fire but it’s not commonly used). Durge tried to hit obiwan with rapid fire bullets and he deflected it with his bare hand using the force
Thanks for referencing the children of Rohan. Throughout history, a huge number of the people who fought in wars didn’t actually want to. Some just thought it was the right thing to do, even if they didn’t actually feel competent. As for the Lightsaber being a symbol of the Jedi and their way if life, it makes a lot of sense. Jedi can make them extremely effective, but if the Jedi only wanted to wreck people, they could have used kyber much more destructively.
I personally would go with the Verpine Shatter Rifle. It uses solid slugs and keeps you far away from the Jedi. True it’s maintenance intensive, but that just means that only a highly skilled individual can use one. Also, Cad Bane said that anyone could kill a Jedi with a sniper rifle🤔.
@@justinthompson6364 That depends on how real you want to apply your physics. Star Wars physics? melt the bullet, perhaps completely vaporize it. Real world physics? It's not in the impossible beam of plasma long enough to even heat up much.
1) Long-range stealth attack by a droid or a person who can suppress their intent. 2) Fire/plasma 3) Explosives - can be tricky if they have concentration enough to redirect the weapons 4) Ship-grade weaponry 5) Slow-acting toxins 6) Slow reduction in oxygen availability 7) Massive simultaneous attacks from more than one vector using ranged weapons (flavor of dealer's choice).
Sniper rifles yes. Slugthrowers which are traditional ballistics? You just permitted the Jedi the use Form Zero. A Jedi that uses Form Zero has already won. A blaster is actually far more superior to a Slugthrower because very few Jedi can use the Force to redirect energy. At that point you have forced them to draw their saber. To them that is effectively already a loss because you have forced them into a combative situation. Jedi do not WANT conflict. So by forcing them to switch to a combative mode, you've already placed them in a losing mindset. A Blaster will force this. A Slugthrower will just result in them becoming Neo after he becomes 'The One'. Mindset is very important to a Force User and it is very important if you find yourself in combat. The person who already believes themselves to have lost will not fight as hard because if the outcome is already written then there is no point and thus is more likely to be defeated. This is why skilled and powerful Jedi have to learn to overcome this mindset. If you really want to kill a force user? Surprise and LOTS of explosives.
In all combat speed and range are paramount. If you can hit the enemy first and from a safe a distance as possible, you win. As warfare technology progressed, so did the distance between combatants. Remember what Ulysses said in New Vegas about NCR? "...Kills from a distance..."
I think one reason for the use of the Lightsaber for the Jedi is protection. Not only in the Sybolic Way but also in use. It fits really well to the Jedi rules. They are often not people who attack directly. They instead block Blastershoots to protect themselves and the people who follow and fight with them.
I'd add that even in skilled hands, swords generally weren't as effective as polearms. The main advantage of swords is that they're easier to carry around with you than big, bulky polearms, making them more useful for personal protection. Think handguns vs. rifles.
which is why i was a fan of the swotor collaspable saber staff, where it could be a pike or a normal lightsaber at any given moment, making it a versitile weapon
@@LCTesla depends on the spear and the halberd as it can be a downgrade, but without a doubt spears, halberds, pikes, and other forms of polearms (naginata, glaive, etc) were the preferred melee weapon of war across the world for almost the entirety of premodern history
When I was a teenager I took martial arts. All the weapon forms I learned where fighting against a spearmen. My instructor also told us the spear is the king of weapons.
The Mandalorians developed a lot of the weapons on their armor to counter lightsabers, including rocket launchers and flame throwers. Another promising weapon is a simple slug thrower, possibly a pistol version of the weapon that Luke Skywalker used on Tatooine.
Slugthrowers permit Form Zero which means the Jedi has already won and just create a wall of lead that any half decent Jedi can fling back at people. Blasters force a Jedi to draw their saber which puts them in a losing mindset and only Form III practitioners can reflect back with any accuracy. If you're reaching for a Slugthrower, you're pretty much at the point of desperation.
A critical element in whatever you are choosing to go up against a Lightsaber with is your weapon's durability or protective features. Ideally you will be using one of the actually MANY lightsaber proof/lightsaber resistant materials which include but are not limited to: BESKAR (Mandalorian Iron) SITH ALCHEMICAL STEEL PHRIK ZILLO BEAST HIDE If that is too exotic then a cheap and readily available option is to have a powered weapon (like a force pike or vibroblade/vibrosword) that ALSO used this particular quirk: MAGNETICALLY SEALED You can also invest in a Mandalorian or Gungan Personal Energy Shield in sizes full body to buckler. Lastly you have the truly exotic compounds like CORTOSIS With the property to short out a lightsaber every time it is cut by it. (Downside, is IS getting cut by it, and will eventually be whittled down by repeated strikes)
Huh. Zero mention of how the Mandalorians would regularly curb stomp both Jedi *and* Sith using Slugslingers, ie mundane lead-shot firearms. This was because if the force user attempted to block/deflect the shot with their lightsaber they would instead get pelted with molten metal at supersonic speeds, essentially turning every solid slug into superheated birdshot. Mandalorians looked at the various flavors of space wizard samurai and went "Parry this you filthy casual" while racking a shotgun.
"We Jedi choose a weapon that symbolises our sense of peace and treating taking life as a thing not to be done lightly. A true weapon of peace!" "Y'know, we could stun people with a blaster instead of slicing them up." "Yes, a true weapon of peace..."
Even when using swords, it was common to hold the sword by the blade and bash with the hilt as a blunt weapon since it was easier to inflict damage on a heavily armored opponent
I remember in the novel. Jedi trail . Anakin was on board a walker during a battle in the desert, during the battle a sand storm ( and enermy bombardment) he used his ligsaber. To guide the troops, and rally to him
In one of the books, it was explained that the lightsaber was an extention of the user. The user could feel the "weight" of the blade through the force, just as they could "feel" a blaster bolt coming at them through the force.
So... just like regular swords? I can feel the sword in my hands. It is literally an extension to my body. And even better, when you are in a bind with another sword, you can feel their sword ... and by extension their body. When you have a bind, an experienced swordsperson can have a pretty good understanding where the other blade and the wielder are, even without eyes.
Should be noted that not all cortosis items would do this. It was highly dependant on the quality and craftsmanship. Most cortosis armours even those with high purity would only provide protection, without the shorting capabilities.
Shotguns. Lightsabers can deflect energy blasts, but solid projectiles simply get vaporized. And while they could probably intercept a few of the individual pieces of shot, probably most will get through.
This is actually the recommended approach for dispatching Jedi in the PS2 era Star Wars Battlefront 2 game. Engineer shotguns were near impossible for lightsabers to defend against.
in the no longer cannon Legends material, there was an elite form of the imperial guard that wore a black version of that red outfit, those guys were force sensitive and carried lightsaber pikes, basically just a normal lightsaber (possibly a shoto) mounted on a 4 foot bescar staff... those guys were supposed to be Palpatine's last line of defence and I can imagine those pike would have been ideal for fighting Jedi
I'm surprised that you didn't mention the cavaliers. You talked about the relative rarity of swords in world history on account of the greater practicality of polearms and spears, but your coverage was all about various forms of broadsword. Actual sabers in history, i.e. fencing foils, were totally impractical against any other melee weapons and only ever saw widespread usage in cultural settings where all combatants adhered to similar peculiar rules of engagement. That seems like a worthwhile analogy to the Jedi attitudes you described, and indeed I suspect that that era influenced the creation of Star Wars to begin with.
I mean that also does mostly describe the Japanese katana. Not quite to that extreme as it was still somewhat effective in war but it really was the third weapon of choice of a traditional samurai and most famous for its use in honor duels in an era of unarmored combat where both sides adhered to the rules of duels.
IMO best weapon to use against a jedi would be slug thrower shotgun... no? If they try to block/deflect, they`ll only get a face full of molten metal shards. Slug throwers in general too.
With Japanese martial arts, if you ever have someone using a Shinai (Bamboo sword), and someone else using a Naginata (Polearm. Practically a long pole with a short Katana blade), the Naginata usually wins. That being said though, using a polearm that cuts takes a lot of training, just like a sword. Polearms just have better reach and sometimes more power
I know it's been said before, but good ole kinetic projectile weapons, slug throwers are among the best ranged weapon to use against lightsaber wielders. Want to block a bullet? Congratulations, best case scenario you just flash vaporized a metal dangerously close to your body which will likely give you a couple nasty burns. Worst case scenario, you just turned a solid metal projectile into a molten liquid metal projectile that's still going to hit you. Throw enough of these projectiles at your enemy (either through high rate of fire or many projectiles at once) and even gifted force users would have to try really hard to use force powers to deflect these attacks and anyone who's not proficient/powerful enough to pull a Neo will get into trouble real fast. And guns are stupidly easy and cheap to make in a technology setting like Star Wars, are equally easy to use by only rudimentary trained people so a mob of normal civilians with a gun each who can shoot halfway straight will pose a significant threat to all but the most powerful and proficient force users.
Mentioning Snoke's guards, there's one that has a sort of halberd or naginata style weapon with that red electrified blade, but I think it'd be pretty cool to see something like that with a saber blade. Not like a two handed blade like Maul or the Temple Guardians used, but just the long shaft(maybe made out of beskar for defense) and a shorter light blade at the end. Maybe even with a cross guard like Kylo Ren's but a four point cross instead of just two.
Video recommendation: The Force vs The Warp, which is a stronger energy source? It may be (probably is) an obvious choice considering 40k feats of power are so ridiculous comparatively, but that doesn’t necessarily mean the Force is weaker. After all, Palpatine created a planet sized lightning storm, not very many characters in 40k can boast that level of power
Was expecting to hear about flame throwers, since despite being a TERRIBLE weapon here on earth, they seem to cause no end of frustration for light saber users
Any kind of projectile weapon that fires a metal projectile will make a light saber go from being something that can be defensive to the thing that kills it's user. A light saber turns bullets into motlen metal that would be traveling at hypersonic speeds towards the users face.
Projectile weapons are easier to manipulate telekinetically than plasma or energy based weapons. Any Force user facing such weapons would do better to focus on using telekinesis to simply deflect incoming projectiles rather than trying to slice them out of the air. Heck, a skilled enough Force user could easily send the projectiles back at the person who fired them.
@@arthurbriand2175 - The Force users who can literally lift boulders would be *very* difficult to overwhelm with slugs. *Wind* can literally push a slug off-target! IRL, the vast majority of rounds fired by soldiers don't hit anybody. That was why full-auto weapons became mainstream. You needed quantity to increase likelihood of hitting the target. By that point, you might as well just go back to blasters because overwhelming them that way works too. The *really* effective weapon was the sonic blasters used by the Geonosians. But those don't seem to have found widespread use. All of this only applies so long as they're too dumb to not snatch your weapons right out of your hands. This is why I think that Jedi devote maybe too much attention to lightsaber combat and not enough to their other Force powers. Mandalorian armored in beskar? Just break their neck from 100 feet away.
A greatsword is not a medieval weapon but a renaissance one they are from 16th century and they are bodygard weapons mainly ... In spain a montante is a greatsword and the fighting style used with it ... The main weapon of a knigth is is a lance for a French or a German and a poleaxe for a Brit. Longsword and before arming sword are secondary weapon , the tertiary weapon was a rondel dagger , called also miséricorde in french
The reason the lightsaber rifle destroyed its ammunition is because it was a prototype, a proof of concept. If someone had actually set out to make a dedicated kyber crystal powered blaster weapon it would probably have been able to wreak much more havoc without destroying the crystal. That is after all sort of what the death star is, a scaled up version.
What about cortosis blades, or weapons made out of cortosis, those disable lightsabers just by a lightsaber coming into contact with it. (P.S. Sorry if I butchered the spelling of cortosis.)
slug thrower. best weapon. that and as you said, dont let them close. if they block, molten slug to face. at the very least, it cant hit you. that and flame thrower.
in HEMA i actually really like my spear. one on one it is very hard for someone to get in close. i do like my sword as well but just not as good with it. another reason spear works well. it takes a lot of skill to become truly good with the sword, were as pretty much anyone can pick up a spear and be proficient with the basics of it. point and stab, so long as you keep the pointy end toward the person your fighting, its down to them being really fast and risk being stuck by you to get in close if they dont have a spear themselves
That is all also historically accurate. Spears are also easy/cheaper to construct and in many cultures also had additional attachments that could be just as lethal as the spear blade itself. Not only may they have various blades and spikes that may be mounted below the main blade, spears like the Japanese yari also had iron wrapped backends that function similar to long handled maces, smashing through helmet and skull and forcibly dismounting cavalrymen. Its only real weakness (when enemies get inside the spear's range) is largely overstated, a skilled spearmen who has trained all their life for war is still very potent at any range, the swordsman has to be more skilled than the spearman to gain the upper hand.
no one has ever given me a good way for a jedi to fight off a projectile scatter gun. Buck shot can't be deflected, it's traveling at insanely high speeds for starwars projectiles, and even if the lightsaber can vaporize the balls, there's no way to block all of them. oh, and it's fast enough that some prewarning on the weapon firing aint gonna save you, especially if you go the AA12 route and use a full auto scatter gun. or as we know them, shotguns
Star Wars Battlefront 2 (the PS2 era version) reached a similar conclusion. The only valid defense Jedi had against Engineer shotguns were to avoid being in front of the Engineer's weapon at all costs. Lightsaber deflection was useless against the sheer volume of pellets all being sent out at the same time, so the Jedi were better off spending their stamina on force empowered movement instead.
3:00 So basically they care more about showing off than about the lives at stake in the battle. I mean, I guess it makes sense when dealing with minor threats that you can defeat easily, but that kind of thinking is fatally incompetent in a war.
Obj wan in war : Lightsaber Gun check , Lifeth Star super laser battle station check , Jedi Battle suit check , Mandajedilorian Jet Pack check , ..... Ah yeas Force flame thrower and kyber grenade check
Here's the thing: a polearm would have to be made of cortosis or other lightsaber-resistant material in order to not simply be lopped off (remember the scene from Kill Bill v2 where she cuts a kid's inferior sword down to the hilt through repeated strikes). These materials are both rare and expensive. Unless the Jedi is backed into a corner, traditional polearms could easily be defeated. And that's not even considering use of the Force to simply knock down tightly-packed ranks. I'll also note that a double-bladed lightsaber has a lot more in common with a bo staff in terms of combat style than a sword.
Yes and no. Proper use of a Bo staff involves holding the weapon on the bottom third of the haft and threatening with the top third, not holding it in the centre, and striking with the ends.
I mean the person wielding said cheaper made weapon isn't a warrior and isn't expected to best a Jedi in combat... alone. Using numbers to hold them at bay they are still a potent threat, a line of spear men thrusting provides a lot of chances to score a significant wound before the Jedi breaks each of their weapons. Ofc there is still the matter of the force, an advantage that can't be bridged by mere melee weapons of any quality but that's not really the topic here.
There was a weapon in legends that would shut down light sabers on contact. I forget its name but it was made from a metal similar to Beskar but due to its weakness against blaster fire it was largely ignored unless you were a bounty hunter going after a jedi or sith.
One exception to the rule of cultural preference for spears over swords: Roman legions. However, they compensated for the shorter range by issuing decent armor and a giant shield.
This is the result of several things lining up- first the professionalism of the roman army, and second, the fact that this was one of the times where defense outstripped offense in importance. When the gladius was king, the huge shield inhibited some of the effectiveness of the spear,, meaning the mobility of the sword worked better with it. Romans did use spears though- often as thrown support weapon to soften up enemies before going in for the kill or for a means of bracing against charges.
Technically spear was still king in this era, it had simply evolved into primarily throwing weapons. Most battles of the era were determined by skirmishers, as commanders would decide whether or not to commit to the battle after the result of initial skirmishing. Frankly the choice of Roman Legions to move towards the pilum (throwing spear) and gladius sword over the hoplite-style spears they had previously used was because the Romans decided they couldn't outmatch greek armies with spears and phalanx tactics. Instead skirmishing spears to exploit the immobility of the phalanx followed by close combat in the gap they created was their solution. Also worth noting this style of fighting was primarily used by Romans, the Iberians they had copied it from, and the people Rome conquered and trained. The rest of the world still primarily preferred spear and pike.
When all is said and done, a lightsaber is just a fancy plasma cutter. It has extremely short-range, it can only be wielded in a limited number of ways, it announces your presence, gives away your position, and paints a bullseye on the wielder. If you ever saw a Banzai charge during World War II, you'll often notice that the highest-ranking Japanese officer wielding a samurai sword. US soldiers were trained to shoot the officer first, because of the danger of the weapon and that the soldiers behind the officer, might lose their nerve and not attack. So shooting the Jedi with more than he can deflect is a valid strategy as the clones behind him might lose their nerve.
A good ol’ cortosis shield to short out their weapon when they swing while secretly carrying a friendly lil ysalamiri. After that they goin out like Greedo
In the Jedi Knight games, you can use force push to repel projectiles from flechette launchers, which are the Star Wars equivalent to shotguns. And don't forget when Dirge tried using his flamethrower against Obi-Wan. A Jedi Master or even Knight has enough power and mastery over their telekinesis to completely negate gunfire if they're aware of the threat. Best thing to shoot them with is a rifle from long range. Even if you don't kill them, you're still too far away for them to retaliate... unless it's someone like Vader. He could strangle you over a Discord call.
I would like to see a Jedi or Sith fight a Astartes. I think a force user would have trouble with a bolter or melta gun. Also a power sword vs lightsaber.
Force users are just variant forms of Psyker. Considering the track record of Astartes vs Psykers, I'd call it an even 1v1 match-up. Things don't start getting definitive for one side or the other until you factor in a number of variables.
It better not be the power of friendship.
defeated lightsabers are just the friends we made along the way
@@YeOlGamer General Grievous ! I thought you'd be taller
The power of friendship is inevitable lol
Well, considering The Force binds and surrounds all beings and Jedi thrive in groups, the power of freindship is actually a valid tactic for Jedi lol
Lol, I was thinking negotiation
Just pointing out once again that the first Morgan v Ahsoka fight was not a true contest because Ahsoka wanted information and couldn't kill Morgan, so she was holding back. This was highly debated at the time. Second fight she pretty much completely dominates Morgan because that was an actual deathmatch.
Both matches shouldn’t have even gone the way it did b/c Ahsoka can just lift her with the Force. She’s done this to opponents before. It’s like they just forget their characters have abilities
@@bet0v966 Night sisters are force sensitive. This makes this a different type of contest - ya, if you have a non-force sensitive opponent, throwing them around is REALLY easy. This changes against force sensitive users.
This, is ultimately why it is lightsabers that end most duels, not force powers.
@@bet0v966 Nightsisters don't train in weapons at all as a rule, that is what the Nightbrothers are for. Morgan was a master among her people with the force and likely could have beaten her if they used only force powers easily, so them being at parity with weapons was a sign that Ahsoka bit off more than she could chew, and the plot armor alone caused her to win.
@@willdavis3802then….what the hell were with the daggers and bows they used in The Clones Wars?
Speaking of the Old Republic, the Echani were a race of people who had an entire fighting style with techniques specifically designed to fight Jedi. And their traditional weapon was a staff.
Small comment on using blasters against Jedi, if you set it to sun mode the bolt breaks against the lightsaber and you don’t have to worry about deflection if the bolt.
Always see your blaster to stun when facing Jedi.
Or carry a holdout Slug thrower (aka a gun). I mean with blasters being the norm imagine how cheap a slug thrower must be
@adamallen7070 Actually may be much harder to get due to everyone using blasters.
@@adamallen7070 Slugthrowers permit the use of Form Zero. If a Jedi uses Form Zero, they've already won.
Plus even the least protective armor in Star Wars is actually bulletproof. Armor won the arms race and forced projectiles to evolve into BlasTech to keep up. Even your basic cloth flak vest is bulletproof in Star Wars. Full head to toe Plaststeel like the Clone and Storm trooper armor were basically walking tanks who'd barely notice ballistics pinging off them. Even the underweave wouldn't be penetrated.
Slugthrowers are only used by feral populations who don't have the tech base to produce BlasTech. They would be hand crafted which would make them insanely rare, prohibitedly expensive, and that's assuming you even knew the culture enough to be able to trade in the first place.
Very few Jedi can block superheated energy blasts. Pretty much any force user can pull a Neo emulating the powers of 'The One' which renders solid projectiles useless. Trained force users will just hurl the same mass of lead back at the shooter. A decently trained Jedi can block blaster rounds. Only highly trained Form III practitioners can redirect it back at the shooter with any real precision.
You're actually far better off using a Blaster then a Slugthrower. A blaster can force a losing mindset on a Jedi which is important to make them sloppy. A Sloppy Jedi is a dead one.
@@adamallen7070Slugthrowers only work against a Jedi who really isn’t paying attention. Jedi can block bullets with the force. (They can also do this with blaster fire but it’s not commonly used). Durge tried to hit obiwan with rapid fire bullets and he deflected it with his bare hand using the force
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Thanks for referencing the children of Rohan. Throughout history, a huge number of the people who fought in wars didn’t actually want to. Some just thought it was the right thing to do, even if they didn’t actually feel competent. As for the Lightsaber being a symbol of the Jedi and their way if life, it makes a lot of sense. Jedi can make them extremely effective, but if the Jedi only wanted to wreck people, they could have used kyber much more destructively.
The Fire Emblem weapon triangle very much came to mind watching this.
Spear beats Sword, Axe beats Spear, Sword beats Axe.
I personally would go with the Verpine Shatter Rifle. It uses solid slugs and keeps you far away from the Jedi. True it’s maintenance intensive, but that just means that only a highly skilled individual can use one. Also, Cad Bane said that anyone could kill a Jedi with a sniper rifle🤔.
Would a solid bullet just melt and hit the Jedi with molten metal?
@@macrosenseThe bullet would pass through too quickly for any significant heating
@@justinthompson6364 That depends on how real you want to apply your physics.
Star Wars physics? melt the bullet, perhaps completely vaporize it.
Real world physics? It's not in the impossible beam of plasma long enough to even heat up much.
1) Long-range stealth attack by a droid or a person who can suppress their intent.
2) Fire/plasma
3) Explosives - can be tricky if they have concentration enough to redirect the weapons
4) Ship-grade weaponry
5) Slow-acting toxins
6) Slow reduction in oxygen availability
7) Massive simultaneous attacks from more than one vector using ranged weapons (flavor of dealer's choice).
Sniper rifles yes.
Slugthrowers which are traditional ballistics? You just permitted the Jedi the use Form Zero. A Jedi that uses Form Zero has already won. A blaster is actually far more superior to a Slugthrower because very few Jedi can use the Force to redirect energy. At that point you have forced them to draw their saber. To them that is effectively already a loss because you have forced them into a combative situation.
Jedi do not WANT conflict. So by forcing them to switch to a combative mode, you've already placed them in a losing mindset. A Blaster will force this. A Slugthrower will just result in them becoming Neo after he becomes 'The One'.
Mindset is very important to a Force User and it is very important if you find yourself in combat. The person who already believes themselves to have lost will not fight as hard because if the outcome is already written then there is no point and thus is more likely to be defeated. This is why skilled and powerful Jedi have to learn to overcome this mindset.
If you really want to kill a force user? Surprise and LOTS of explosives.
In all combat speed and range are paramount. If you can hit the enemy first and from a safe a distance as possible, you win. As warfare technology progressed, so did the distance between combatants. Remember what Ulysses said in New Vegas about NCR? "...Kills from a distance..."
I think Kenobi’s line in A New Hope sums up why Jedi uses lightsabers
I think one reason for the use of the Lightsaber for the Jedi is protection. Not only in the Sybolic Way but also in use. It fits really well to the Jedi rules. They are often not people who attack directly. They instead block Blastershoots to protect themselves and the people who follow and fight with them.
I'd add that even in skilled hands, swords generally weren't as effective as polearms. The main advantage of swords is that they're easier to carry around with you than big, bulky polearms, making them more useful for personal protection. Think handguns vs. rifles.
which is why i was a fan of the swotor collaspable saber staff, where it could be a pike or a normal lightsaber at any given moment, making it a versitile weapon
yeah, the upgrade to a spear is a halberd, not a sword or even a greatsword.
@@LCTesla depends on the spear and the halberd as it can be a downgrade, but without a doubt spears, halberds, pikes, and other forms of polearms (naginata, glaive, etc) were the preferred melee weapon of war across the world for almost the entirety of premodern history
When I was a teenager I took martial arts. All the weapon forms I learned where fighting against a spearmen. My instructor also told us the spear is the king of weapons.
The Mandalorians developed a lot of the weapons on their armor to counter lightsabers, including rocket launchers and flame throwers. Another promising weapon is a simple slug thrower, possibly a pistol version of the weapon that Luke Skywalker used on Tatooine.
Slugthrowers permit Form Zero which means the Jedi has already won and just create a wall of lead that any half decent Jedi can fling back at people.
Blasters force a Jedi to draw their saber which puts them in a losing mindset and only Form III practitioners can reflect back with any accuracy.
If you're reaching for a Slugthrower, you're pretty much at the point of desperation.
Then the Jedi calls in the Republic army.
Cue soldiers vs warriors argument.
Plus the mandelorian ripper that combines a plasma rifle and a slugthrower
A critical element in whatever you are choosing to go up against a Lightsaber with is your weapon's durability or protective features.
Ideally you will be using one of the actually MANY lightsaber proof/lightsaber resistant materials which include but are not limited to:
BESKAR (Mandalorian Iron)
SITH ALCHEMICAL STEEL
PHRIK
ZILLO BEAST HIDE
If that is too exotic then a cheap and readily available option is to have a powered weapon (like a force pike or vibroblade/vibrosword) that ALSO used this particular quirk:
MAGNETICALLY SEALED
You can also invest in a Mandalorian or Gungan Personal Energy Shield in sizes full body to buckler.
Lastly you have the truly exotic compounds like
CORTOSIS
With the property to short out a lightsaber every time it is cut by it. (Downside, is IS getting cut by it, and will eventually be whittled down by repeated strikes)
The Beskar Spear from the Mandalorian was one of my favorite weapons in all of Star Wars.
You forgot to mention one unintentional side effect about swords. They make great trophies.
Mandalorians with flamethrowers: "parry this you filthy wizard."
Me with chilli powder :Pooof
@@sumukhvmrsat6347 oh my eyes.
Literally any Shotgun type weapon renders the LS into nothing more than a death sentence for it's wielder.
Huh. Zero mention of how the Mandalorians would regularly curb stomp both Jedi *and* Sith using Slugslingers, ie mundane lead-shot firearms. This was because if the force user attempted to block/deflect the shot with their lightsaber they would instead get pelted with molten metal at supersonic speeds, essentially turning every solid slug into superheated birdshot.
Mandalorians looked at the various flavors of space wizard samurai and went "Parry this you filthy casual" while racking a shotgun.
Indeed, shotgun is best weapon against them.
How come I never see any grocery stores in star wars . That village in the mandolorian was so dark age
Here I was thinking you were just gonna say slug thrower at the end
Because that weapon is the lightsaber killer.
"We Jedi choose a weapon that symbolises our sense of peace and treating taking life as a thing not to be done lightly. A true weapon of peace!"
"Y'know, we could stun people with a blaster instead of slicing them up."
"Yes, a true weapon of peace..."
Even when using swords, it was common to hold the sword by the blade and bash with the hilt as a blunt weapon since it was easier to inflict damage on a heavily armored opponent
I remember in the novel. Jedi trail . Anakin was on board a walker during a battle in the desert, during the battle a sand storm ( and enermy bombardment) he used his ligsaber. To guide the troops, and rally to him
In one of the books, it was explained that the lightsaber was an extention of the user. The user could feel the "weight" of the blade through the force, just as they could "feel" a blaster bolt coming at them through the force.
So... just like regular swords?
I can feel the sword in my hands. It is literally an extension to my body.
And even better, when you are in a bind with another sword, you can feel their sword ... and by extension their body. When you have a bind, an experienced swordsperson can have a pretty good understanding where the other blade and the wielder are, even without eyes.
As mandalorians say: "try and parry this buckshot you filthy wizard"
I’m writing this at 0:07 seconds and I’m calling it as slugthrowers
GAU 8 Avenger 30mm Gatling Gun. Haven't watched the video yet.
Jedi/Sith just pull a Neo with projectile weapons, stop all the projectiles mid air and fire them back at you.
@@jiffypoo5029 can't dodge a wall, and you can't launch back something that explodes when it stops.
Think he forgot an important point... anything made from cortosis can short out a lightsaber
Should be noted that not all cortosis items would do this. It was highly dependant on the quality and craftsmanship. Most cortosis armours even those with high purity would only provide protection, without the shorting capabilities.
Cortosis is also extremely rare.
Shotguns. Lightsabers can deflect energy blasts, but solid projectiles simply get vaporized. And while they could probably intercept a few of the individual pieces of shot, probably most will get through.
This is actually the recommended approach for dispatching Jedi in the PS2 era Star Wars Battlefront 2 game. Engineer shotguns were near impossible for lightsabers to defend against.
in the no longer cannon Legends material, there was an elite form of the imperial guard that wore a black version of that red outfit, those guys were force sensitive and carried lightsaber pikes, basically just a normal lightsaber (possibly a shoto) mounted on a 4 foot bescar staff... those guys were supposed to be Palpatine's last line of defence and I can imagine those pike would have been ideal for fighting Jedi
I'm surprised that you didn't mention the cavaliers. You talked about the relative rarity of swords in world history on account of the greater practicality of polearms and spears, but your coverage was all about various forms of broadsword. Actual sabers in history, i.e. fencing foils, were totally impractical against any other melee weapons and only ever saw widespread usage in cultural settings where all combatants adhered to similar peculiar rules of engagement. That seems like a worthwhile analogy to the Jedi attitudes you described, and indeed I suspect that that era influenced the creation of Star Wars to begin with.
I mean that also does mostly describe the Japanese katana. Not quite to that extreme as it was still somewhat effective in war but it really was the third weapon of choice of a traditional samurai and most famous for its use in honor duels in an era of unarmored combat where both sides adhered to the rules of duels.
IMO best weapon to use against a jedi would be slug thrower shotgun... no? If they try to block/deflect, they`ll only get a face full of molten metal shards. Slug throwers in general too.
Laser weapons might be effective against lightsaber blasters are plasma throwers not laser weaponry
Imagine creating silent, invisible lightsaber☠️
Ultraviolet light instead of visible
@@Mark-in8ju Something like that
There actually is one in legends, I can't remember the name of it though.
With Japanese martial arts, if you ever have someone using a Shinai (Bamboo sword), and someone else using a Naginata (Polearm. Practically a long pole with a short Katana blade), the Naginata usually wins.
That being said though, using a polearm that cuts takes a lot of training, just like a sword. Polearms just have better reach and sometimes more power
I know it's been said before, but good ole kinetic projectile weapons, slug throwers are among the best ranged weapon to use against lightsaber wielders. Want to block a bullet? Congratulations, best case scenario you just flash vaporized a metal dangerously close to your body which will likely give you a couple nasty burns. Worst case scenario, you just turned a solid metal projectile into a molten liquid metal projectile that's still going to hit you.
Throw enough of these projectiles at your enemy (either through high rate of fire or many projectiles at once) and even gifted force users would have to try really hard to use force powers to deflect these attacks and anyone who's not proficient/powerful enough to pull a Neo will get into trouble real fast.
And guns are stupidly easy and cheap to make in a technology setting like Star Wars, are equally easy to use by only rudimentary trained people so a mob of normal civilians with a gun each who can shoot halfway straight will pose a significant threat to all but the most powerful and proficient force users.
So: Lightsabers can't block solid slugs, the shots just become a spray of molten metal moving at about the same speed.
A blast from the Death Star would also defeat a lightsaber. 😂
Nah, I can still block it. I’m just built different.
It is still kyber crystal technology so there could be a possibility
But it's expensive and not everyone can afford one.
In fact:
A blast from the Deathstar would also defeat world hunger, homelessness and end all wars on earth.
You just need a really big lightsaber and at least one point of force to bat it back.
Best defense against a melee weapon is... Distance
IRL sabers and katanas were usually used indoors, or in peaceful times.
Stick? I'd go for the thing that worked historically pretty well against real 'melee savages', a 12 gauge trenchbroom
You forgot the every fun and noisy slug thrower.
Mentioning Snoke's guards, there's one that has a sort of halberd or naginata style weapon with that red electrified blade, but I think it'd be pretty cool to see something like that with a saber blade. Not like a two handed blade like Maul or the Temple Guardians used, but just the long shaft(maybe made out of beskar for defense) and a shorter light blade at the end. Maybe even with a cross guard like Kylo Ren's but a four point cross instead of just two.
An insightful look into the reasoning for the jedi's traditional weapon.
Video recommendation: The Force vs The Warp, which is a stronger energy source? It may be (probably is) an obvious choice considering 40k feats of power are so ridiculous comparatively, but that doesn’t necessarily mean the Force is weaker. After all, Palpatine created a planet sized lightning storm, not very many characters in 40k can boast that level of power
Thanks for the amazing quality you put out, its clever.
"Nothing beats a lightsaber like Plot Armor." - Sabine Wren
I need more info on "The Blade Of Talzin" and do we think Ahsoka will keep it to replace her shoto that got destroyed
There are plenty of lightsaber parts on her ship to replace the shoto
Was expecting to hear about flame throwers, since despite being a TERRIBLE weapon here on earth, they seem to cause no end of frustration for light saber users
Any kind of projectile weapon that fires a metal projectile will make a light saber go from being something that can be defensive to the thing that kills it's user. A light saber turns bullets into motlen metal that would be traveling at hypersonic speeds towards the users face.
A nice old gatling gun and you don't need to worry about Jedis no more.
Projectile weapons are easier to manipulate telekinetically than plasma or energy based weapons. Any Force user facing such weapons would do better to focus on using telekinesis to simply deflect incoming projectiles rather than trying to slice them out of the air. Heck, a skilled enough Force user could easily send the projectiles back at the person who fired them.
@@daniels7907 Except if you overwhelm them with firepower.
it'd probably just be vaporised
@@arthurbriand2175 - The Force users who can literally lift boulders would be *very* difficult to overwhelm with slugs. *Wind* can literally push a slug off-target! IRL, the vast majority of rounds fired by soldiers don't hit anybody. That was why full-auto weapons became mainstream. You needed quantity to increase likelihood of hitting the target.
By that point, you might as well just go back to blasters because overwhelming them that way works too. The *really* effective weapon was the sonic blasters used by the Geonosians. But those don't seem to have found widespread use. All of this only applies so long as they're too dumb to not snatch your weapons right out of your hands.
This is why I think that Jedi devote maybe too much attention to lightsaber combat and not enough to their other Force powers. Mandalorian armored in beskar? Just break their neck from 100 feet away.
It's believed that great swords were used for breaking up pike formations and to be used as a defensive weapon.
A greatsword is not a medieval weapon but a renaissance one they are from 16th century and they are bodygard weapons mainly ...
In spain a montante is a greatsword and the fighting style used with it ...
The main weapon of a knigth is is a lance for a French or a German and a poleaxe for a Brit.
Longsword and before arming sword are secondary weapon , the tertiary weapon was a rondel dagger , called also miséricorde in french
The reason the lightsaber rifle destroyed its ammunition is because it was a prototype, a proof of concept.
If someone had actually set out to make a dedicated kyber crystal powered blaster weapon it would probably have been able to wreak much more havoc without destroying the crystal. That is after all sort of what the death star is, a scaled up version.
What about cortosis blades, or weapons made out of cortosis, those disable lightsabers just by a lightsaber coming into contact with it.
(P.S. Sorry if I butchered the spelling of cortosis.)
If was making a lightsaber I'd tune it to ultraviolet making it invisible.
There were somthing like that i think in star wars
And here I thought the best anti-jedi weapon was a shotgun, foolish me. The best weapon is obviously BIG STICK.
Brilliant video , great info and history . Keep up the good work 👍🏼
slug thrower. best weapon. that and as you said, dont let them close. if they block, molten slug to face. at the very least, it cant hit you. that and flame thrower.
I still follow the mandalorian logic that the Russian badger taught me oh you can block lasers have fun with this buckshot
in HEMA i actually really like my spear. one on one it is very hard for someone to get in close. i do like my sword as well but just not as good with it. another reason spear works well. it takes a lot of skill to become truly good with the sword, were as pretty much anyone can pick up a spear and be proficient with the basics of it. point and stab, so long as you keep the pointy end toward the person your fighting, its down to them being really fast and risk being stuck by you to get in close if they dont have a spear themselves
That is all also historically accurate. Spears are also easy/cheaper to construct and in many cultures also had additional attachments that could be just as lethal as the spear blade itself. Not only may they have various blades and spikes that may be mounted below the main blade, spears like the Japanese yari also had iron wrapped backends that function similar to long handled maces, smashing through helmet and skull and forcibly dismounting cavalrymen. Its only real weakness (when enemies get inside the spear's range) is largely overstated, a skilled spearmen who has trained all their life for war is still very potent at any range, the swordsman has to be more skilled than the spearman to gain the upper hand.
no one has ever given me a good way for a jedi to fight off a projectile scatter gun. Buck shot can't be deflected, it's traveling at insanely high speeds for starwars projectiles, and even if the lightsaber can vaporize the balls, there's no way to block all of them. oh, and it's fast enough that some prewarning on the weapon firing aint gonna save you, especially if you go the AA12 route and use a full auto scatter gun. or as we know them, shotguns
Star Wars Battlefront 2 (the PS2 era version) reached a similar conclusion. The only valid defense Jedi had against Engineer shotguns were to avoid being in front of the Engineer's weapon at all costs. Lightsaber deflection was useless against the sheer volume of pellets all being sent out at the same time, so the Jedi were better off spending their stamina on force empowered movement instead.
You forgot to mention the other Mando solution to Jedi and that is slug throwers. hence why the republic banned them from being made or sold.
3:00 So basically they care more about showing off than about the lives at stake in the battle. I mean, I guess it makes sense when dealing with minor threats that you can defeat easily, but that kind of thinking is fatally incompetent in a war.
Obj wan in war : Lightsaber Gun check , Lifeth Star super laser battle station check , Jedi Battle suit check , Mandajedilorian Jet Pack check , ..... Ah yeas Force flame thrower and kyber grenade check
I first though you were going to say Human bodys since they apparently are immune to Lightsabers thus Lightsabers lose to them.
Here's the thing: a polearm would have to be made of cortosis or other lightsaber-resistant material in order to not simply be lopped off (remember the scene from Kill Bill v2 where she cuts a kid's inferior sword down to the hilt through repeated strikes). These materials are both rare and expensive. Unless the Jedi is backed into a corner, traditional polearms could easily be defeated. And that's not even considering use of the Force to simply knock down tightly-packed ranks. I'll also note that a double-bladed lightsaber has a lot more in common with a bo staff in terms of combat style than a sword.
Yes and no. Proper use of a Bo staff involves holding the weapon on the bottom third of the haft and threatening with the top third, not holding it in the centre, and striking with the ends.
I mean the person wielding said cheaper made weapon isn't a warrior and isn't expected to best a Jedi in combat... alone. Using numbers to hold them at bay they are still a potent threat, a line of spear men thrusting provides a lot of chances to score a significant wound before the Jedi breaks each of their weapons. Ofc there is still the matter of the force, an advantage that can't be bridged by mere melee weapons of any quality but that's not really the topic here.
There was a weapon in legends that would shut down light sabers on contact. I forget its name but it was made from a metal similar to Beskar but due to its weakness against blaster fire it was largely ignored unless you were a bounty hunter going after a jedi or sith.
Cortosis
The lightsaber "... an elegant weapon, for a more civilized time..."
Dont forget (Laser/ballistic) scatter guns (Cant block/deflect all of them)
That was my thought too. Well, that and grenades.
You know what a lightsaber doesn't have? Family.
The eternal race between attacker and defender, one is always trying to get a leg up on the other.
Well now I want a pair of lightsaber nunchucks.
One exception to the rule of cultural preference for spears over swords: Roman legions. However, they compensated for the shorter range by issuing decent armor and a giant shield.
This is the result of several things lining up- first the professionalism of the roman army, and second, the fact that this was one of the times where defense outstripped offense in importance. When the gladius was king, the huge shield inhibited some of the effectiveness of the spear,, meaning the mobility of the sword worked better with it.
Romans did use spears though- often as thrown support weapon to soften up enemies before going in for the kill or for a means of bracing against charges.
Technically spear was still king in this era, it had simply evolved into primarily throwing weapons. Most battles of the era were determined by skirmishers, as commanders would decide whether or not to commit to the battle after the result of initial skirmishing. Frankly the choice of Roman Legions to move towards the pilum (throwing spear) and gladius sword over the hoplite-style spears they had previously used was because the Romans decided they couldn't outmatch greek armies with spears and phalanx tactics. Instead skirmishing spears to exploit the immobility of the phalanx followed by close combat in the gap they created was their solution. Also worth noting this style of fighting was primarily used by Romans, the Iberians they had copied it from, and the people Rome conquered and trained. The rest of the world still primarily preferred spear and pike.
Cortosis, Death Star, turbolasers and such.
Stun grenade or Wide area of effect stun weapon
@@sumukhvmrsat6347 true.
"what jedi can block laser blasters? Ok deflect this buckshot"
I did pretty much the same thing as a delivery driver. I kept a tire iron in the same spot.
You think the lightsaber is your ally but you merely adopted the lightsaber. i was born with it. oh wrong movie . what?
The jedi: Taking a life is a serious decision
Anakin: "what, he was gonna blow up the ship."
Great vid as usual. Hey Alan, are American and British Ben still around, or have the moved on and become one with the force?
When all is said and done, a lightsaber is just a fancy plasma cutter. It has extremely short-range, it can only be wielded in a limited number of ways, it announces your presence, gives away your position, and paints a bullseye on the wielder. If you ever saw a Banzai charge during World War II, you'll often notice that the highest-ranking Japanese officer wielding a samurai sword. US soldiers were trained to shoot the officer first, because of the danger of the weapon and that the soldiers behind the officer, might lose their nerve and not attack. So shooting the Jedi with more than he can deflect is a valid strategy as the clones behind him might lose their nerve.
*Pulls out pump-action shotgun*
Great stuff as always Alan! Keep up the great work mate :)
A good ol’ cortosis shield to short out their weapon when they swing while secretly carrying a friendly lil ysalamiri. After that they goin out like Greedo
Consider this. Your stick does not outrange my sith lightning.
The naginata was a very unique weapon that is basically let's make a katana into a spear
Just equip a triangularly arranged, tri-barrel blaster set to stun. Unless that Jedi's name is "LetMeSoloHer", they're gonna go down to that.
8:33 When the winged hussars arrive
Alternatively, shotguns and flamethrowers are a bit hard for Jedi to deal with.
In the Jedi Knight games, you can use force push to repel projectiles from flechette launchers, which are the Star Wars equivalent to shotguns.
And don't forget when Dirge tried using his flamethrower against Obi-Wan. A Jedi Master or even Knight has enough power and mastery over their telekinesis to completely negate gunfire if they're aware of the threat.
Best thing to shoot them with is a rifle from long range. Even if you don't kill them, you're still too far away for them to retaliate... unless it's someone like Vader. He could strangle you over a Discord call.
And find that opening…to run away. 😂
Anyone know what movie the clip at 8:30 is from? The blade umbrella thing is cool
I would like to see a Jedi or Sith fight a Astartes. I think a force user would have trouble with a bolter or melta gun. Also a power sword vs lightsaber.
A space marine would absolutely destroy a Jedi in combat, they're bred for dealing with threats much bigger than some dude with a plasma sword
No they wouldn't. Jedi have premonition. They literally see things before they happen.
A Jedi? Perhaps. A Sith? Never. Oh look a guy in a large suit of armor. Force crush, force choke, no more problem
Force users are just variant forms of Psyker. Considering the track record of Astartes vs Psykers, I'd call it an even 1v1 match-up. Things don't start getting definitive for one side or the other until you factor in a number of variables.
Now I want to see what a Khyber blaster is like. I guess the Death Star basically has one, huh.
so a Vibro spear then made from that one material that disables a lightsaber??
I hope it's a shield 🛡 😂
It's a 155mm stun shoulder mount cannon
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I thought this was gonna be about flame throwers... lol. "Block this you filthy casual!"
3:14 wasn't the death star the second death and starkiller base just giant lightsabers pretty much their powered by same thing
Just using normal guns against a lightsaber would work great because the bullets would phase right through the blade.
Oof, the peacekeeping Jedi being compared to the bloodthirsty police, fucking painful.