Nikon, Please Fix These Issues with the Nikon Z6III
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- Опубликовано: 2 ноя 2024
- I wanted to share a few recommendations that I wish Nikon would fix in the Nikon Z6III camera.
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01:55 - Open Gate recording
04:08 - Unlimited record time (at 4K/30p)
06:09 - Compatible with third-party batteries (V-Mount batteries)
08:04 - Playback in Slow Motion
09:21 - Shutter angle
11:35 - Final Thoughts
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I think you made misinformation about using a V Mount battery, while what I can tell you coming from me that shoots lots of videos with the new Z6III is that it can be powered with a V Mount battery with no issues. Maybe you need to check that your USB-C cable and also check that you have Power Delivery PD selected to be able to charge the battery via USB-C.
That is absolutely silly to have to rely on the USB-C port to power my camera via V-Mount battery rather than a D-Tap connection, lol. Your only proving my point that if thats how you get around the issue.
This is a hybrid photo camera with video features. If this had a V-mount battery on it, I’d lose my mind at the design.
An adapter to a V-mount plate exists and it makes the most logical sense for this style of camera. (They make dummy batteries that go to D-Tap.) I don’t know why you’re doubling down saying this proves your point.
You can use a vmount battery with the Z6iii btw... do it all the time.
how do you use it?
@@marqman05 plug it into the usb port and go forever.
@@RyanTroy Thank you
There should be no reason why I have to be on a professional set and rely on USB-C rather than a D-Tap connection. What you suggest is a workaround rather than dealing with the issue directly. The problem still exists. That's the point of my video.
@@RobertSilverPhotography tbh it sounds like you don’t really know what you’re talking about and hard for me to get your video seriously.
You missed one of the biggest flaws of this camera and Nikon mirrorless cameras in general. That is the inability to record video to the backup memory card slot. You can do it while taking photos, I'm not sure why you can't do it in video mode. Literally every other brand has already implemented this. Please Nikon give us a firmware update for this!
Oh, wow, youre so right! Thanks for sharing!
I would love to get this camera as a b/c-cam to my s5iix and s5ii. Do you think its easy to match the colors of this to the lumix?
I did the same thing on a project and for sure their colors are different. I would. iS it impossible, no. Would I recommend that, no. It will only increase the amount of time for your edit. But the Z6III is great!
As a fellow Nikon shooter, I believe the Nikon Z6III is an excellent all-around hybrid camera. However, if I had to shoot videos longer than 20 minutes, I would opt for the Panasonic Lumix S5 IIX or the Canon EOS R5 C, as these hybrid cameras are better suited for extended recording times. I have shot with Canon, Fuji, Nikon, and Panasonic, and currently own the Nikon Z8, Z6, and some Nikon DSLRs that I will never part with. The best hybrid camera for video that I have used was the Panasonic. The Panasonic never overheated on me, and I never worried about it either. The biggest downside for Panasonic cameras, in general, has been their autofocus! However, if you can look past that, the Panasonic Lumix S5 IIX is probably the best in terms of value and features, given its price point. I would say that Panasonic cameras are more "video" oriented, while Nikon Z8/Z6III are more "photo" oriented hybrid cameras.
That being said, for most things being shot and filmed within a 20-minute clip, I think the Nikon Z8 or Z6III is sufficient. However, if I were shooting 60-70% video and 30-40% photography, I would still feel more at ease using the Panasonic Lumix S5 IIX or the Canon EOS R5 C for the peace of mind that comes with not overheating the camera. I know, I know-we all want that ONE camera that can do EVERYTHING! LMAO, I am one of them! The Z8, for me, is close enough to that bliss point! 🤣😊😎
By the way, thank you for your honest assessment of the Nikon cameras' shortcomings. I truly appreciate these types of videos, and I am sure they are helpful to people in the long run. Your honest feedback may sway them to purchase the right camera for their needs, which could be a Panasonic, Canon, or another brand. 👍🏼🤙🏼👍🏼
OMG, thank you very much! Your takeaway was exactly the reason why I decided to make the video - to help others understand the honest pros/cons. This is why I use my Lumix S5II for all of the professional video work. I absolutely LOVE using my Nikon for all of my photo work. Bother are great systems.
Thank you for watching and for your comment!
Can you record videos on both cards at the same time? Can you also record to an external SSD like the S5IIX?
Nooo😢
NO!!!!!
@@RobertSilverPhotography Well, I guess Nikon needs to fix that too.
I think you can use a dummy battery with a V-mount as long as it's an official Nikon EP-5B. Nikon (I guess for $$$ reasons) implements more checks to reject third party batteries with every release. (For example, the Z8 rejected batteries that the Z6ii didn't, the Zf rejected batteries that the Z8 didn't, and now the Z6iii is rejecting batteries that the Zf didn't.)
This isn’t even making sense in practice. I have had my Z6 and Z6iii reject Nikon factory batteries, but worked fine with Neewer batteries. Only to turn around and literal moments later, do the opposite: reject Neewer batteries and only recognize Nikon.
I have had this issue while at gigs, and it is so painful considering I have 10+ batteries I charge and test before the event, only to be forced to rely on 2 batteries the day of.
Thanks I’ll check out the Nikon EP-5B dummy battery. Appreciate it 🤙🏾
Robert, did you have the Auto Temperature Cutout setting on Standard or High when you got the warning? Good points on what could be improved on the Z6 III. Maybe some will come soon in a firmware update.
I honestly had it at default but let's be serious... I shouldn't have to worry about that. Since I never have issues with Lumix cameras. The point is that the tech is available and could have been added. Not when I used some sort of secret sauce and a combination of settings - that's ridiculous. Since Lumix was able to 6K and unlimited record time for $1,999. Nikon could've done it too. And they are a much BIGGER camera brand.
I always appreciate your perspective and absolutely respect your professional experience & needs. I think some of these points are fair and realistic but I also feel many are more so, round peg / square hole. Meaning, for the price point, you’re asking for a lot from a hybrid (vs a dedicated cine body or even a Z8/9). And some of these use cases are maybe a little outside of the Z6III’s wheelhouse.
Now don’t get me wrong - hell ya, all of these would be welcome improvements. Ok wait I can’t go with you on the fan 🙅🏻♂️😆 but the others all good 🙂
Ill change your mind once you have to record for over a 60, continuously. SAimply, no accuse wold be acceptable to a client. If Lumix S5II ($1,999) can do it right out of the box. The Z6iii could have too. If you don't mind not having it means two things, you don't shoot a video for extended periods or you shoot my photos with it. If so, then this issue doesn't apply. Either way, folks should know about it before they buy a camera for $2.5K.
Robert you really have your answer "but the Z8 can do it"....you bought a less expensive camera expecting something that it wasnt designed for, buy the Z8 and you will solve your issues..
That logic doesn't make sense when a less expensive camera (Lumix S5II at $1,999) doesn't have any of these issues. So, it's not about the cost and the tech does exist, and is available for cameras at lower price points.
Especially when most of the issues can be resolved via firmware (software issue). You shouldn't have to spend $4K (on the Z8) to solve them, lol.
Hi Robert, the image you showed of the V-Mount battery with the message on the screen, that message is normally if you use an internal battery or dummy battery that isn't compatible with the camera. That's not an issue with the camera not supporting a V-Mount battery. I know Randall Brander made videos about finding the correct one to use in the Z6 III. The other option you could go with is have a partially charged battery in the camera and power via the USB power delivery port. I power my Z8 via the USB C power delivery port, I prefer to go that route as it works fine.
On the shutter angle discussion, keep in mind Panasonic has video camera and imported those features to their hybrid camera which is great for them, Nikon is coming from a photo camera platform. The competition, Canon and Sony doesn't have shutter angle on their hybrid cameras either, using shutter speeds is easier for photographers moving to video to adopt, than learning a new system. Panasonic doesn't get a lot of props for all the features they implement in their hybrids, the other guys are catering to their user base. Maybe one day in the future Nikon will add it but, I think cinema people will use the tools that offer them the features they need.
Hi Wayne, The v-mount issue is still an issue if I have to lock for a very specific dummy battery - that still a problem in itself. There is a reason why there was no V-Mount batteries promoted in any of the promo videos that showcase the Z6III as a video camera. Using a UCB-C to keep my camera charged is not a professional solution - its an exception, not a rule. It's not more reliable than a solid v-mount battery. Plus, a v-mount battery will power all of the devices on my rig as well as the camera.
Nikon knew better about some of these issues they could've avoided, such as shutter angle. Plenty of people mentioned it and they were in the middle of buying RED as this camera is preparing to be released. So they knew this tech and features existed. But was promoted heavily to photo/video creators; a great option for video creators.
Yes, Panasonic seriously doesn't get it props for sure. Im not trying to diss the Z6iii but to acknowledge certain points that are a hurdle.
Thanks Wayne! I love to her your perspective and insight! :)
@@RobertSilverPhotography I hear you but, remember, the USB C PD option is what Nikon went for and they also provided a cable management clip or if you use a cage, there are options to secure the cables. On the V-Mount battery side, a right angle PD cable (left or right) will make the profile lower to avoid any accidental disconnects of course securing the cable in multiple areas helps too. It may not be the perfect option however, it will solve the issue in the short term. Nikon does have a dummy battery but you would need to find a cable that connects to the adapter and the battery. Maybe if folks bug Nikon enough they will create a dummy battery that will connect to V-Mount battery.
That camera is very good for that price. If they have to put more features, it will be more expensive... You all ready have 6K Raw and you want more? Come on!
Then how come the Lumix S5II doesn't have these issues and it's $500 cheaper ($1,999)? And it shoots unlimited record time at 4K, Open Gate, up to 6K. Tech exits and it can be done at a lower cost. So I say you.... come on!
It literally costs Nikon MORE money to block third party EP-5Bs.
The Z6 iii is the first Full Frame 6k Raw internal. For that price, it is very good. It is not a perfect camera, but it is very good. Anyway, the camera doesn't make you a better photographer or videographer. I prefer Nikon for the image quality.
On the video record time part, why are you using a photography camera for video production? There are video specific cameras in the same form factor if that’s the issue. The Nikon z series is definitely photos first, video second, so why buy them for video work if video is your bread and butter?
The purpose of the point is from the someone who uses Nikon and pros/cons of using the Z6III camera for video.
I think you're reading a bit much into to it. Of course there are better options our there in the market. But someone may not want to have buy another system in order to capture video. That would be unfair to ask my average viewer that.
Thank you for your comment.
The Z6 III is a good camera , but sound like the S5 II/ X are better suited for your work.
I don't like my S5 II but that's perosnal taste.
Fair enough. But the truth is the truth. If any one looking to spend there hard earned $2.5K they should know all of the issues (good and bad). They can make the best decision for them self. Thanks for watching :)
Why is Z6iii only suitable as a B cam?
Because he is talking shit for internet points.
@@RimantasLiubertas I kinda felt that-From what I can tell it outperforms many cameras that pros have used as “A” cams for years…
@rimantasLiubertas - you leaving multiple comments clearly means you envy me. If you have never used a camera for profession video production other than a Nikon than you have ZERO shits to give in this conversation. Typing more comments doesnt mean you know more than any one else, lol.
@varten297 If you have shot in a professional video production environment and looked at my point I mentioned is the very reason why the Z6III is a B-Cam for me. You clearly can do what you feel. But when there are camera options that dont have these issues at a cheaper price point (Lumix S5IIX $2,200) than its fair to bring these issues up. These are internet talking points. These a technological facts. If you are spending your more it wide to know the pros/cons if you don't want to believe it live @rimantasliubertas
@@RobertSilverPhotography do you really think it’s B Can only tho? Like I know photographers that made so much money using Z6ii’s or A7iii’s or older… like surely it’s better than them?
Thanks for making this segment. I've been looking at the z6iii and need to know the good, bad ugly!
You're very welcome. BUt from thee comments people don't want me to even speak on any bad or small issues oft this camera, lol. Overall, I love this camera and I use it all of the time. No regrets but the truth is the truth, sorry not sorry.
Glad you appreciated the video. Happy shooting!
@@RobertSilverPhotographydude, say all the bad stuff you want lol. Just don’t call it a B cam 😂😂 Cuz it ain’t. And you bought one! 🤷🏻♂️
Having an internal fan would have been awesome. But that would drive the cost a lot higher. The z8 doesn't even have it. A z9 does, but it increases the cost over the z8.
Most of the other stuff you said, could be added via firmware update.
Looking forward to seeing what video features they add! This was the first real video centric camera they made. It'll take time. Lumix had many years to build a system. Nikon will get there eventually! They are still ahead of canon lol😊
Absolutely! Unfortunately, even the Z8 has heating issues when you record continuously for an extended period of time. Nonetheless, they both capture beautiful video footage. Both are great to use. My goal is for folks to at least understand the shortcomings and how to plan to work around it.
I'm excited for the next firmware update - I'm sure it'll solve a lot of these issues. It's why I said I hope they see my video. I want the best for Nikon despite what these comments say, lol.
Thank you for watching!
@@RobertSilverPhotography yes, you are right! They should make a video centric camera honestly. Like the a7s series.
But let's celebrate Nikon actually being taken seriously again! Especially after how people thought they were going out of business.
Happy shooting bro!
Good stuff Robert. I am weighing the Z6iii against the Z8 right now & trying to decide which way to go. One thing I would like to know is about the Line Input jack on the Z6iii & whether or not it's also available on the Z8. I can't seem to find anything on this, can you tell me?
Z8 has a microphone input, but unlike the Z6iii it is not designed for line input.
I haven’t found anything about the Line audio for the Z8 but I have been able to use all of my mics on both the Z6iii and Z8 - no problem. But are great for video - AF, color and performance.
If you plan to shoot a lot of video and don’t need 8K I would go with the Z6iii since sits lighter and still give you N-RAW and ProRes Raw (6K). And it’s much lighter when totally rig it up with a cage and Monitor. You can almost buy two Z6iii for the price of one Z8 - hope this helps in anyway
1. The z6III has blackout free shooting but only when shooting high speeds, but they could just save less of those frames and let you have no blackout at low fps but they claim they can't because the z6III doesn't have the dual stream tech of the z8. I don't want to shoot at 20 fps, it's way too many pics too look through later. If it has blackout free shooting at high speeds, how can it not at low speeds?
2. The precapture is jpeg only, but I think they can do it in RAW even if it's much lower fps.
3. The camera decides you shouldn't be able to choose which kind of shutter type you want depending on the lens you are using. It gives you the option of auto, electronic first curtain, and electronic, but mechanical is disabled for certain lenses. Why?
4. It doesn't record video to both card slots.
5. When you use a gray card to set white balance, the camera doesn't tell you what kelvin and tint values it is set to, I don't see why not.
6. I don't have a z6III but I've read parts of the manual and I'm pretty sure active d lighting is not shown in live view unless you use the depth of field preview button, so you have to take pictures to see what it looks like, or switch to video mode.
7. In general there are software features in the z8/z9 that could be in the z6III but are missing for seemingly no reason other than to irk you into buying the more expensive cameras, but some of the missing things are too small to really make you buy the other cameras so it's really just odd to omit them.
I don't expect them to ever do this but if you could shoot a colorchecker to correct colors in camera, it would be a game changer
Re: #1 It doesn’t actually / technically have blackout free at high fps, it’s so fast that it gives that illusion to your eye. Not the same tech that’s in the Z8/9, which are truly blackout-free.
#4 Yes Nikon needs to figure this out, surprised the Z6III didn’t introduce it to their line
#7 I disagree, no company is going to give away (all) their flagship features in mid-range prosumer bodies. They’d be out of business. I think if you add up what Nikon gave us in the Z8, Zf, and Z6III - that’s a pretty damn generous set of features across those 3 bodies.
@@csc-photo I know that about the blackout, I just don't get why it doesn't work at low fps.
I understand they can't give all the features but something like "recall shooting functions", it's not a huge feature but it's a nice thing to have. Is anybody really going to buy a z8 for that?
@@bananaman-zd4lq IMO, yes (recall shooting functions). That feature has always only been in pro bodies.
The blackout free effect can’t happen at lower fps without the Z8/9’s dual-stream EVF (not sure about that name). Maybe it’s just the nature of semi-stacked vs fully stacked sensors?
All good discussion points here 👍🏻
These are some great suggestions 👍🏾💯
wait for next year, since Nikon just purchased Red we could expect see something crazy
I most certainly believe so too!
I don't have this camera...I do have z8's and z9's and love them. I am a Nikon user. But these so-called issues are non-issues as far as I'm concerned. Peace...
It sounds like you are not a professional videographer. If you shoot only landscapes, astro photos, or portraits this video is not for you.
@@RobertSilverPhotography Hahhaahahaha....
Card hot warning is more about the card than the camera. It may be that you need larger capacity faster cards Not saying that it will solve the problem, but the problem is not really the camera. As to Open Gate, not even the Z9 has that, and it shoots 8k. Sorry, I turned into a RUclipsr then. I would love to see Nikon adopt Open Gate, I most certainly would use it. I think they will soon. I can't see them buying Red, to be regarded as a top-dog video company and not have their cameras support Open Gate.
I'm recording meetings and lectures for well over an hour. Yesterday, is was for 4hrs straight. The Lumix S5II didn't so much get slightly warm with the basic SD cards (95/mbs) @ 4K/30fps. I also use CFExpress Type-B in the Z6iii and the heat warming popped up for documentary-style testimonials I was recording recently. I had to catch 6 interviews in a row (10-bit, H.265) 4K/30fps. I don't believe it was "my cards" fault.
Regardless, I love my camera, it's great its fun but these issues are a reality. And if you shoot video regularly these are annoying and folks should hear about it.
Thanks a lot for your input. Appreciate you checking out my video. :)
Thats all a wishlist for a perfect camera, its superior than competition except maybe the DR. It's enough for the target user and pricing.
That's the point of being a consumer; having a wishlist and requesting from manufacturers you shop with. There's nothing wrong with that. Actually, the Lumix S5IIX has superior specs than any other camera on the market in its class for less than $2.5K (that means the Nikon Z6iii as well) - Lumix S5IIX costs only $2.1K. To your point, it is a great camera. I bought it for a reason but it still has issues that not everyone may not know or understand.
Thanks for checking out my video :)
If you double press the down arrow button while playing the video, it will playback in slowmotion
Oh wow, ill give a try. Thanks a lot for the tip!
The only thing that happens when I press the 'down arrow button' is that it pauses the playback
You have to use the right cf B card
So, I need a Cf Express Type B card from the planet Kryptonite now, lol. I was using that kind of card and the heat-warming sign still popped up. The Lumix S5II doesn't have unlimited record time at 4K/30 with an SD card with 95/mbs. yesterday I recorded for 4 hours straight with it. So, I'm sorry that's not it.
Lumix is really pushing the industry, huh? I’m a user, love what they do
The point of my video is not to compare to the Lumix or poo-poo on the Z6III but rather just to share a few issues I've had with the camera that some video content creators may want to know about if they are considering the camera. I love mine but it's not my A-Cam for large paid client projects. It'll live a great b-cam or on top of my Ronin RS3 Pro gimbal.
Most of the things you listed aren’t “issues” as much as feature requests…and many of them would def improve Nikons hybrid cameras, but some of this just feels like you are using the wrong camera for your use case.
The type of the camera is not the point of the video. It's about the honest critiques that Nikon could have added and did not and what it means to any Nikon user or potential buyer who may be missing out. As well as, how not including these features would affect the when it comes to producing video. It's just that simple. You're reading way too much into it. If I were thinking about buying this camera, since it's advertised as the best photo/video hybrid that Nikon offers at the price, then I would logically want to know the honest pros/cons of this camera. Before I spend my hard-earned money. You sound like you don't like the fact that I'm pointing out the obvious flaws. As if it's personally insulting to you if I do so. But i thank you for your comment and watching the video.
@@RobertSilverPhotography nah not insulted at all. As I mentioned, I think a lot of what you are suggesting would improve Nikon's hybrid options and it would be positive things to add to their line...I was just saying the somewhat click bait title of the video tends to suggest actual use case issues with the camera that make it unusable, when in reality this video is more of a list of features you wish were implemented across all of Nikon's cameras, so the camera would better suit your needs...which is totally fine of course...just was pointing that out...and of course many of the things, like adding a fan, or dual card recording of nraw....not really something that they can add to an already released camera...so not really sure how they "fix" that issue outside of implementing the feature in the next model
And also the fact that there is no exposure meter in video mode. ( number specific meter like in photo mode and any other brand does).
Histogram and waveform doesn't inform about how much over/under exposed you are.
Great pint. Thanks for sharing
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Thank you!
Robert this is a good rant, thanks for your insight!!
Im glad you liekd the rant, lol. Thanks for checking it out.
I don’t know if there’s an issue with my set up but I can’t seem to get past 22 seconds of recording onto either a V90 SD or 900 MB/sec write speed CFExpress when doing 4K60 or higher. 4K30, every format, no problem, but faster frames or higher resolution? I can’t get anything done.
I was hoping to record some 4K60 clips for a wedding I’m shooting, soon.
Some times it could be the sustain writes speeds of the memory card, but the first question would have to be what format are you writing in? ( N-Raw, Prores Raw, Props 422HQ, etc)
@@marqman05 Great insight! But i have heard of video record time limitations at higher res/ Reading/writing creates heat as it processes. But you're right too.
@@RobertSilverPhotography yes that is true too, certain cards over heat as well. I bought a 512GB Lexar pro gold from b&h and far that is holding up shooting 8k raw ( so far)
@@marqman05 ProRes 4:2:2 10-bit and NRAW. Haven’t tried ProRes RAW but I assume those data rates are still an issue. I have a second Z6 III and I’m gonna A-B test it everything.
@@marqman05 Found the issue! The cards I was using couldn’t handle the bit rate, strangely. I’m gonna need to buy more, bigger cards, soon.
Gee I've never even turned on the video before
You never used the video feature in the Z6iii, yet?
@@RobertSilverPhotography no never I use my DJI pocket 3 or iPhone for video. You get it fixed?
Come on #Nikon #NikonUSA, let's get even more ahead of the competition with these suggestion!!!
Exactly, and we all would love them for it!
6048 x 4032 Image Area, 6048 x 3402 video. So what is the problem.................. . I remember Super 8, a whole 3 minutes no sound. Kids today
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Focus is not clear on my Nikon z6 ii all blur. If you want to clear it is not possible. The picture is going up. So what is the solution?
what do you mean, man?
Is your diopter adjusted for your eyes?
There a couple of variables that could directly effect your final result. I would need to know details - camera settings, AF mode, lens; type of subject you’re trying to shoot (portraits, sports, landscape)?
I would need more details in order to try to help you out.
If something gives you problems you would not need to put i down in notes, you'd know it by heart. Recoding corporate event in 60fps? Ok. Buy Lumix maybe? Others already wrote about Vmount battery.And finaly, pro, learn to pronounce "Nikon".
Adhominan attacks are absolutely pointless. But i appreciate you leaving a comment. Which helps with the algorithm and pushes my video. If you didn't like my video or how I pronounce NIKON (which i would NEVER change for some fool on RUclips, lol.) then you simply should have kept your mouth shut and comments to yourself. But thank you for helping my video gain more visibility.
Nye kon themselves pronounce it that way. Call Nikon USA's support and listen to the message.