Yep, I pretty much cried like a baby the whole race! | IMSA TCR at Imola
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Dave: "I'm over it now"
Off-voice: "He was not over it"
Robert, and many other people that over the years you'll recognize their names. And remember what they do.
Are drivers that will put themselves in a position where the other driver has to back off, or they wreck.
Now I think aggressive driving is perfectly fine, but it does require a certain amount of finesse, which in this case, Robert was severely lacking said finesse.
Are you describing Max Verstappen?
@@duesternbrook94 As a Max fan, he kind of is lol.
max verstappen lmao
@@duesternbrook94 Don't forget Senna... Got called out on it by Jackie Stewart for one.
Always the same with Robert... In seriously every race he drives people off, only way he can pass. He only got to 5K iRating because most top split drivers know his name and simply let him pass, the other drivers crash.. Keep going Robert, you are going to be an iRacing star :)
Never Reported?
yeah pretty much bull he can keep doing that garbage...
Keep farming TCR Edwin. You’ll be the star soon ;) maybe try some actual top split races. 1 split TCR isn’t ‘really’ top split is it? All the best mate.
You are pretty fast @Robert C , just keep the racing fair and admit your mistakes.. Wish you also all the best.
@@edwinkuipers That Robert C account was created on 22nd June - it is just a troll trying to get a reaction out of you.
Being able to look back at an incident to see what you could have done differently is a mindset that more people seem to need to have. Robert was on a mission and dint care who got in his way, he was racing dirty. When I'm involved in an incident I like to look it over and try and think about what I could have done differently in that situation to avoid the contact, Even when I have very little to do with it. It's a good habbit to have to always be looking and be aware of potential crashes coming.
Robert seems like the kind of guy I would take a mental note of needing to be careful around him and be aware of how he races others.
I may give a quick sorry on mic during the race. After reviewing the replay if I see I was more at fault then I originally thought I always try and send that drive a pm in race if they are still around or a PM on the forums to say I'm sorry, I screwed up.
I'm an Aussie Dave and net code is no excuse. Its been there ever since I started Iracing. I Race with that in mind. He's a bonehead.
Same here, not a lot do though, I find it so frustrating when others dont take it into account
+1 as a kiwi
Everybody talking about Robert, but Nathan deserves the spotlight. What a fast driver, holy hell.
Definitely a hack move by Robert. He should have given the position back. He had no right to shove his nose in there. I can't stand guys who race like that. I guarantee if roles were reversed, he'd be crying over the radio
I've seen Dave male a mistake like this before and all he says is "oh sorry mate" hell live it happens 👍
Unfortunately this is the extent of racecraft of most people in sims--dive bomb until your nose is just inside their bumper. The other car either leaves room and you get the position or they turn in and you dump them.
You know, just like real life.
There’s a big difference. In regards to overtaking, Robert blipped the throttle and I’ve yet to see Dave step over that line. He’ll make the move on the last couple of laps, but he’ll do it while maintaining proper technique, if albeit in a more aggressive manner. This guy punched it knowing he was going to have an extra set of tires to help him make the corner and made the choice to do it with only a handful of laps completed. The guy didn’t want to have to take any time to earn the spot, so he took it. It’s a punk move. It’s just not at all the same thing as being aggressive.
@@keithk.3963 Exactly. You can be aggressive without being unsafe or disrespectful. To me, anyone who can't overtake without contact, squeezing someone out, blocking, brake checking, dive-bombing etc. is just trying to make up for a lack of skill or racecraft. When I win, I want it to be inarguable. I want it to be because I was the better driver that day. Period. Not because I pulled some dirty shit that will have others putting a target on my back.
What I love even more is theres not even an apology after he does it.
Robert is the kind of player that shouldnt be on the service tbh. You nailed it for me when you said; "you either move out of his way or this happens".
Awesome race with some cracking moments. Thanks for sharing the content!
Always A+ content Dave - keep up the great work sir 🙏🏼
Dave, you're a class act (I would've lost my $h1t). This is the main reason I stay away from official server racers, especially considering the fact I'm a lower level iR guy. Considering this was not a "one off" since he did the same thing to the other driver earlier in the race, I hope you filed a protest to mark his record for the behavior. I know most people despise filing protests, but if it is never noted on the driver's record, it never happened. And the protest system is there to keep "good order" on the track.
On a side note, iRacing physics with the car losing complete traction and going slideways on such a little tap is a completely different subject up for debate. IMO ACC has a more realistic physics system in play.
The worst part of the incident is not incident itself but it’s the fact that Robert thinks he didn’t do anything wrong.
I think you're a shrewd judge of character and fairness. Like the Brazil incident, which this resembles, I'd agree with you, there just seems to be a lack of respect.
I'm surprised he didn't relinquish the position. There's a certain beauty to clean overtaking, and a certain disdain for the opposite - I just don't see what satisfaction
is gained from a 'win at all costs' approach. Ultimately, a great 3 way battle was spoilt. That all said, a feisty Dave is an entertaining Dave!
I'll defend Robert, he's been a tough but fair driver in every race I've ever had with him. In fact, I think our most recent interaction had me rear ending him with a botched pass attempt.
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So what you are telling us makes Robert's actions in this video ever worse because it means that he is an erratic driver from race to race. Robert needs to clean up his act and be consistent; either drive consistently and safely or continue driving erratically and punting multiple drivers off the track in one race.
Straight from the Verstappen school of racing
Poor Jim. Always trying to be a motivating crew chief and Dave always yelling at him.
...an accident happened to Dave's spotter Jim, when somebody threw a tomato at him.
Tomatoes are juicy and don't hurt the skin, but this one was specially packed in a tin!
I sacked crew chief, spent too much mental energy thinking about all the nonsense he’s spouting at me. Lost focus on driving the car. ‘Just send it already’, ‘nice pass’, ‘the car behind is catching’
🤫 STFU 😑
I yell at Jim too, and I'm not even talking to RUclips followers! 🤣
I think that Robert just punted you and the other guy out of the way. He wasn't attempting clean overtakes at all.
Definitely feel like netcode made that more brutal, probably would've been a bit of door slamming but he hugged the apex enough to think you'd both survive the corner. Still wouldn't want to own that type of overtake, personally.
Not sure Dave look like he was halfway up your car when you turned in. You lost a lot of traction over the dip in the road. Maybe wasn’t all his fault
I disagree
As usual, great video. I've also been crying a lot this week. Nice to know I'm not the only one, although I probably moan more than others😀. I also had some good races and I'm sure you'll have more fun next time. Cheers Dave👍🏼✌🏼
There was room for him, cheeky move but not too much of a foul. Plus the last chicane was close racing so I bet he assumed you would be game for more door bashing.
the Attack move is aggresive for sure, but we do see such moves all the time. with some awarness is knowing who you race against, to read traffic well to see what kind of person, seeing his aggression already, would given a heads up before incident, that he might or will make a dive move like that, so i recomend to deffend inside and hold it or stay outside and come back when he goes wide and attack his inside.
it is just a strattegy move. we all learn from mistakes, hope your races will do great Dave good video, keep it up :D
Yep, I know how to race 👌
It's an unfortunate reality in online racing, dealing with people like this. I would disagree however. Being aggressive is a style, putting yourself in a position to either make the other back off or crash is not a valid strategy.
@@volo1826 yeah i agree, aggresive drivers doing this is not perfect. That is why the driver the one ahead of aggressors, should do their racing strattegies to overcome thouse aggressors for sure. And that is by choosing smarter line, or trick them to fo mistakes. Always work. They either spin or wreck themself. No time lost
@@slaastad-racing that works as a defense against drivers like this, however it doesn't fix the issue. Iracing really needs to update their systems. Doing this twice in a race should be an instant DQ.
@@volo1826 deffenetly agree, it would teach them to not do such things.
You hung in the middle of the road which "leaves the door open" for someone in that kind of mood. Either cover, or hold the faster racing line.
Robert Cori is very well known aggressive driver without any skill to pass in a clean way. Hate these “drivers”. It is impossible to race with him, better to let him go but that’s not racing anymore.
the intimidator would say all good. If he says it’s all good it’s good in my book. THANK YEW DALE
You're the legend that's coming from the beautiful.......oh my God? 😁😉
Loving the new word going to use it all the time🖖👆.
What rim was on the rig when you made this video? It looks quite nice
It’s our V-RSPG 🔥
This is kind of the way people in TCR run now. These hard to prove intentional contacts that spin or push the rear out on the car ahead. Which is unfortunate because TCR can be such a good series.
You might be over it but im not.. sleepless nights i got of that incident.
To be fair, the move is completely fine. you left the door open and he took advantage. Its hard racing, and you see it in real racing too. Especially in touring racing.
Okay got me, I'm Sicko.
Volume up as I bump to Sicko Mode.
Dan should take it easy at first so you guys don't let Amess run away.
I had a slow-down without an off-track in the 2nd chicane, although mine didn't clear like yours did. Lost 4 seconds. This track is so frustrating with it's inconsistent off-track logic. I hate it.
That was a good drive. I really like the TCR's but drivers that pass like that just aren't cool. Good content, thanks for it.
This is exactly why I tried out the TCRs and immediately stopped. I did one league race with them and it became immediately apparent that slamming doors, divebombs, and extremely aggressive moves seemed to be the only way to pass. The only other way being getting lucky and waiting for them to make a mistake. Very rare to actually get a move in, not enough power, not enough front traction, and not enough speed (on most tracks) to get deep into draft and use that. Definitely not my cup of tea.
Dude, I knew that guy was trouble the way he was blinking his lights right on your butt before the lights even went green and then proceeded to overdrive himself right off the track. Total jerk!
I could feel the rage through my phone
As you said he had made a similar move on someone else in the race, unsporting is how I see it, in your incident you are right he powered up as he came down the side of you, no way was he playing safe, I hate this kind of driving, it serves no purpose other than to rile other people up, and I think your frustration was a player in you not recovering and making ground on Dan and Robert,
Haha.......bloopers reel at the end was Boss!!!!
so looks like nothings changed on the punt front 😂. Good pace you had! Looked very much like his strategy was to hit rear corners which spin these cars and keep himself going straight...
I think this might be the same race Dan blew up about something in too….he definitely wasn’t a happy Chappy.
Didn’t see the full incident as I just surfed in to the stream, but I guess he fell foul of Roberts “driving” style.
It's always the ones that weave
Just curious, is this the sort of thing that would warrant a protest? He doesn't seem to mind moving people out of the way and he is a known quantity with a reputation for doing this kind of thing.
I can't believe Cori's SR is A3.2!! Hacks for sure
I’m new to sim racing - with what happened with Robert: shouldn’t Dave have given him space? Or should Robert have backed out because he wasn’t completely alongside him? I guess it doesn’t really matter who’s right because Dave ended up spinning. If it were me I would have given him space I guess.
He had space, but not at the speed he was going 😳
I hate when people doesn’t study you a little bit and try an overtake everywhere without thinking, Robert literally tried to pass you in the worst point possible as soon as he catch you. 0 time using his brain. Then he tried to pull a move like Ricciardo at Tosa clearly overestimating his talent. I will say welcome to top split iRacing, where everyone thinks they’re pro.
Nice video, good content as ever Dave. Good stuff.
Clearly there are some salty competitors with disparaging comments below. Likely they’ve never raced me and this is only a consequence of landing on most of the top split streams (so they’ve a valid opinion .. )
The shift up and engine revs discussed by you in the video. As I dart to the left the shift to 4th gear does not register and the car bounces on the limiter (which you can clearly hear in the video) then I pull 4th and shift down to third (the spike in revs is the auto blip the TCR uses). There is no press of the throttle to question my motive. Missing the shift is what loses my momentum to make the move as intended. Unfortunately the commitment was already made. The NetCode is what makes this look dramatic. I make the apex without issue. We would bang doors yes, but I know you’ve no problem with that. If you don’t half spin we’re less concerned. My apology was genuine without caveats; it was my mistake exacerbated dramatically by NetCode.
In referencing your Interlagos move (which I mentioned in jest, and I made a point to you that it was in good humour) where you punt a competitor and he similarly only half defends. The incidents are different in execution, sure. You brake and then reduce the brake pressure knowingly to get your car in a position to cause the opponent to make ‘a decision’ - any different? I have no problem with the intention of that move either. He could’ve turned out to avoid the collision but didn’t.
We’re opponents. It’s not always going to be fairy floss and lollipops.
Anyway, all the best we have many races and an incident now and then is normal (not that we have had many, if any at all) … great video nice analysis. I always look forward to them. Being apart of them is nice maybe for a race long battle next time. Cheers 🍻
It's all good Rob. Onto the next one 😁
So, what does the incident in your previous race that he wasn’t apart of have to do with him dive bombing the shit out of you this race ? And it’s pretty bad where it’s known you have to stay away from him so he doesn’t punt you off
Lol good race anyways! Don't worry about it so much haha
Sad, but some people aren't man enough to admit their faults and will never own up to mistakes. I bet Robert doesn't have a blooper reel😁
As an Ozzie, I’d like to disown Robert, He’s not a proper Ozzie probably half Kiwi ;)
I think ol' Robert was a tad optimistic there
But then again as you said your mistake put you back there. This guy plays rough. I would take his number....you know how he races now...and maybe repay the favour
Poor Davey boy!
🧂🧂 Exactly how any racer feels in the heat of the moment lol. Not a great example of how to pass at Imola, would normally expect to see it into turn1. I think some see touring cars and try to replicate the trading paint approach of the BTC but that takes skill and the will to go side by side for multiple corners at a time and I don't think this was it. Cheers for the vid.
The overtake, lap 1 at acque minerali, it's the prove that this guy it's too aggressive. That place it's not good for any type of overtaking
If you are a really clean racer and take someone out, because you sent it, you do not apologize ... you give back the position.
bit at the end was fun , with your failed introduction 😂
I would love to see the replay of the Dan Suzuki overtake.
Dan gave it up. Probably wise
Reporting system is an embarassment for a game a charging these prices for so called professional racing. To have to wait 30 mins and then wait to cut a video that a majority of people dont do this is a reason why racers to this...they know by a high probability that they wont get reported.
That would not be such an issue. Problem is most of these aggressive maneuvers are considered okay by iracing staff.
Your inflatable doll has a leak in your trunk now, but don't panic there are inner tube stickers, lol;l
It looked to me like Robert went to the right to get you thinking you didn’t have to protect the inside completely and then sent it big time up the inside. Really harsh, in my opinion, because the move stood a very high chance of taking you out.
Reminds me of Matt Neal. Same classy style. If you can call that a style.
Considering his move on lap 1 you would think he would be less likely to make a similar move on lap, maybe he watches the BTCC and sees the amount of close racing and hits they have and thinks it’s part of the touring cars
I think it was very similar to your move at Brazil that you also said. Different sort of corner but same to of gap that was always going to close.
Hope to battle with you at some point dave but I'm to slow at the moment.
Completely different. I was already on the brakes at Interlagos for quite sometime and gradually went alongside. This was an accelerated upshift 😳
@@davecamyt apologies I missed that bit. 🙂
Yeah that ain't clever accelerating to bash tour way through like that.
It's difficult to pass there at imola and to send it in there a but but not like that.
I really should do some more touring cars next season. Week 13 is nearly here. 😱
So here is a question, does no one protest Robert?
Been there for sure.
where does that race engineer/assistant voice come from?
What kind of wheel are you racing again? Im wanting to get one
Robert Cori, dirty driver, noticed ! 🧐
Dave, Im getting bored of ACC, would it be a good move to jump over to iracing?
A few races with the masses on GT7 would toughen the skin a bit. Now that ‘racing’ gets filthy. with similar tactics of just nudging the front bumper to the rear quarter sending you off. Eventually you jump out of the way to protect your race which just isn’t right. No matter what, if I make a mistake and compromise someone’s race. I wait for them to re-pass. Racing is nothing without respect.
At some stage the software will be intelligent enough to give proper time penalties for moves like this, he wasn't anywhere near the side of you in the braking zone either.
Does this Robert fella have a youtube channel?
Robert was not sorry about it. If he was sorry, he would have waited for you to regain the position and then over take you again cleanly.
I would punt that dude every chance I got after that….lol
Robert Cori? Or Rob Stark? Cuz he's a right bastard.
This game does have a voice chat feature right? Why not just give him a piece of your mimd?
At the end, in the head on replay showing Robert going up your inside, I see that Dan's car is making the full normal sweep on the outside of that corner. You, however, we're defending, turning in early, which in presume Robert was not expecting and therefore hit you. I don't think he had time to back out. But he still should have apologized at the time .
It's a move you shouldn't go for tbh
People play to much GT 7 and bring it to iRacing. They learn to tap the back of cars to turn them without them getting incident points. I just had a month trying to get my A Class licence back which today I was again successful at achieving.
Why not a penalty system?
i think if you let him by you would have been better off, its very hard for me too and i m always involved in this stuff as the passing car and the being passed car. so defend or let by
Unfortunately the way Robert drives, always pulls crazy moves like this…
Sorry Chris, that’s utter crap. Anyway see you in some races later this week, cheers.
Typical touring car mentality unfortunately. It's difficult to overtake in these cars and it's a shame some people just force their way thru when they have pace. Shame as it's a really good series 🙃
Ya just can't get away from em 🤦🏻♂️
I think the main problem is too much new player arrive from Gran Turismo, good to see when 14K player online but this cost for the experience....
Bro hv u still got ur Husaberg 550? Hv u got mor footage of here?
No, wish I did
@@davecamyt :(( such an awesome bike. U recomend them? Someone near me is selling an 04' FE 550 with Akrapovic silencer
@@THahaC yep I've had a few supermotos, ktms, sxvs and this was my favourite for sure 😁
Sorry Dave, I disagree. Firstly, I am a massive fan of yours. You have a tendency to move over in heavy braking areas. As you know, when you are in a braking area, you cant change lines. The lap before you had the inside line into the hairpin and Dan was on the outside, you moved over to squeeze him. It was the same with Robert. You took the outside line in the braking area and began turning in, you would never make the apex with that line, you turned in too early. I think Robert saw a hole and gave the throttle a blip to put his nose there. He didn't change lines at all.
I have to turn in at some point. Accelerating in the braking zone to stick your nose in, well it's dumb 😳
But it's your opinion, it's all good 👍
Trying to blow the rubber off the windshield. 0 iq move also. Thinking it’s on my ipad screen 😂
Yeah, that guy is an absolute weapon on the track. Overly aggressive and drives over his head/skill level. He needs to work on qualifying if he thinks he deserves positions so badly.
I think Roberto has been playing to much Grand Puntismo........
Robert proved in one race it wasn’t an isolated incident. He obviously has no issue with bullying his way through a corner, there has to be consequences for these unnecessary and completely avoidable incidents. Instead of being patient while using skill drivers like that rely on brute force due to lack of one or both traits, or maybe he’s just an asshole. Either way Robert gets a 👎 with heavy disappointment, BTW if you can’t pass without hitting or forcing the other car of the track , you shouldn’t be passing , common sense goes a long way
I hate the rs3 tcr on iracing wish i pick up the Hyundai love it on raceroom
I swear, this track looks like a low effort alpha build in iRacing when you've been using ACC for a while.
yeah but it sure does look good with other players on it for a change
I feel the same way. I know their scan is a lot older, but I just dont like it. If I want to race Imola, ACC all the way .
@@nickowen7406 lol you could join LFM and do ranked races on there and you'll see other players on it in ACC too.
@@Hardcaslte I've been in multiple acc leagues. Still doesn't compare to being able to just start a game and immediately be in a full lobby of roughly equal drivers
Playing devils advocate… you were in sort of no mans land in the middle of the track. Looks like a racing incident to me.
thats his standard passing technique pretty sad really
I'm over it ..no.. I'm over it ..get him Dan...I'm over it..Battel guys.. Thats Funny It's just sim racing.
Damn y'all rapid, the best I can do is 1:58s.