Saying PBT is a more budget material than ABS isn't exactly correct. PBT is more expensive on a base material cost, and more difficult to work with and manufacture. ABS is an easier and cheaper material to work with. This means with ABS, it is easier (and cheaper) to get crisp legends and consistent colors. My guess at to why PBT is used more in "budget" keysets is that, historically, PBT has been viewed as the better, more premium material, so it is meant to be a draw towards buying their sets over popular brands that use ABS caps. PBT is also largely still seen as the more premium material in the larger, gamer-style mechanical keyboard world (ie Logitech, Steelseries, Corsair, etc), so it is a draw for that market. The gamer mech demographic is also much less willing to spend custom mech prices, so higher end "gamer mech" PBT keycap sets often end up being less expensive compared to entry or mid range custom mech keysets, where ABS is used to more easily and cheaply achieve things like crisp legends that the custom mech demographic prioritizes. ABS being viewed as more "premium" is a pretty recent phenomenon, largely due to the rise of GMK. If you look at old keyboard content (maybe 5 years or older, and especially before Cherry's patent expired), PBT is usually described as the more premium material. And, as always in this hobby, it ultimately just comes down to preference.
I'm not updated into recent mech trends and I'm shocked when he said ABS is more premium than PBT, ABS double shots are cheaper than even laser engraved PBT back then
Since some builders use polyfill to make their keyboard build more thock. Since I don't want to waste more money on that, I ended up using some cotton as an alternative. Keyboard is Akko Mod 007 V2, polycarbonate plate, no case foam and PCB foam, installed included PCB foam, cotton filled bottom housing, Akko Jelly Black hand lubed w/205 g0 , akko red and blue samurai keycaps. It's more towards marble thock ish sound. Love it.
The reason why we use polyfill as a sound dampener and not any other materials is because polyfill is proven to be safe for electronics as it is an anti-static cottonish material. You might wanna check out what kind of cotton you used for your board cuz if you used make up cotton or face cotton remove it ASAP! It might intervene with your PCB resulting to a shorted out PCB or a bricked one. Be careful on what you put underneath your board specially if it has down firing LED’s because one wrong move and your PCB goes bye bye. Just sharing this knowledge in case some doesn’t know about it. Hopefully you look onto this too! Have a good dayy!! 💛
It’s better to use a thick wood table as well for thock instead of a deskmat. This is because the sound resonates through the wood causing a thocky sound.
Love pbtfans cant wait to see some more designs in the future. Really dope caps for the money. I havent tired it but not a fan of the kbd67, prob cuz of the bad mounting style. Looks like you prob made it better removing the silicon. Sounds alot better now.
I had this exact same build, just the aluminium version of the KBD67. Ended up replacing the Boba U4Ts with Lilac Linears cause I wanted to use it in the office lol. Bobas were just too loud XD
Ngl, the final result was so THOCCCCC and I didn't expect that. Now, I want to make my board more thocc even though I already gave a lot of thocc mod lol.
Hey man, great video. I had a doubt @5:51. You said you replaced the PCB foam (which i assume means the foam between the PCB and the plate) but your video shows you replacing the case foam (lying between your pcb and case). Which one did you replace? Also, what kind of foam did you replace it with? Thanks
Just a quick correction, you mentioned that doubleshot PBT is the more cheaper option, but ABS is actually on the lower end for quality compared to PBT. Just letting you all know if you were confused :)
High-end ABS sets like ones from GMK are generally the most expensive because they produce the highest quality legends with their double shot process. ABS plastic also allows for basically any colour combination imaginable. They are vastly different from the cheapo dogshit ABS shinethrough keycaps that gaming keyboards usually come with and are usually what people refer to when people say that ABS is inferior to PBT. PBT naturally has more resistance to shine than ABS, but since most PBT sets are dye sub, quality of legends can get close but will not match the quality of GMK Doubleshots. Dye sub also limits colour combinations to strictly darker shade legends on lighter shade keycaps. Reverse dye sub is an option, but is not common and is hard to get right. One material isn't simply better than the other, it just depends on what you value more in your keycaps. High-end ABS if you're looking for more colour options and crisper legends, PBT if you hate shine and can live with not having the highest possible quality legends.
I think PBT is the higher quality material because it's also oil resistant inherently and the material is also just more expensive Double Shot ABS is more expensive and easier to mold so is used in more applications so yeah I think PBT is definitely the key caps to go towards if you can. Obvs the manufacturer can make a better ABS keycap set than another manufacturer that did PBT so but generally speaking PBT is better and higher quality
I'm so sketched with tape mod on my epomaker th80, its my first mechanical keyboard, and alot of people saying not to use certain painters tape with a keyboard that has a battery, apparently some are conductive.
Hello you earned a sub and like im about to buy the upcoming krush 65 polycarbonate version they have 2 kinds of mount o ring and top mount? Can you help me to choose what stabs plate switches and keycaps to choose pls
So I’m a little confused about what you did with that silicone dampener. You mentioned that you replaced it with a gasket and kept that same silicone dampener on the bottom of the case?
You should get gateron cj’s or oil kings instead gateron cj’s are much smoother then tangerines stock and oil kings are also good for thock and are smoother then the inks
i know the majority used PE foam between the plate and switches but are there any differences using different type of foam for the case? i can't decide which foam to use for filling those empty space in my case.
*looks at description before vid premiers* Yep, that'll thock. haha
my guy
@@LewisToh girl*
😂 boba u4t + kbd67 lite = thocc
@@LewisToh Lewis my homie
@@LewisToh this is a crime
Imagine not watching Coley
I finished my first keeb yesterday ... this baby thocks.
2:00 those keycaps hmmmmmmm
huh
You gotta get your hands on those ceramic keycaps for even more thock
soon i will get them
Step one, buy a hotswap kb, step two, get some gateron yellows, and BOOM. Magic
um
No keycaps and mods?
@@GTRECON why would u need keycaps if u already have a perfectly good keyboard with caps, and why the mods
So this is my frst time building a keyboard. I just need to order the 3 things, and put it all together including the mods?
Wats the total price of everything
Can I have it?
I want it tho
ye if you build it
Saying PBT is a more budget material than ABS isn't exactly correct. PBT is more expensive on a base material cost, and more difficult to work with and manufacture. ABS is an easier and cheaper material to work with. This means with ABS, it is easier (and cheaper) to get crisp legends and consistent colors.
My guess at to why PBT is used more in "budget" keysets is that, historically, PBT has been viewed as the better, more premium material, so it is meant to be a draw towards buying their sets over popular brands that use ABS caps. PBT is also largely still seen as the more premium material in the larger, gamer-style mechanical keyboard world (ie Logitech, Steelseries, Corsair, etc), so it is a draw for that market. The gamer mech demographic is also much less willing to spend custom mech prices, so higher end "gamer mech" PBT keycap sets often end up being less expensive compared to entry or mid range custom mech keysets, where ABS is used to more easily and cheaply achieve things like crisp legends that the custom mech demographic prioritizes.
ABS being viewed as more "premium" is a pretty recent phenomenon, largely due to the rise of GMK. If you look at old keyboard content (maybe 5 years or older, and especially before Cherry's patent expired), PBT is usually described as the more premium material.
And, as always in this hobby, it ultimately just comes down to preference.
I'm not updated into recent mech trends and I'm shocked when he said ABS is more premium than PBT, ABS double shots are cheaper than even laser engraved PBT back then
No one is talking about how good the spacebar sounds ?
Good point, are those the stock stabs?
Since some builders use polyfill to make their keyboard build more thock. Since I don't want to waste more money on that, I ended up using some cotton as an alternative. Keyboard is Akko Mod 007 V2, polycarbonate plate, no case foam and PCB foam, installed included PCB foam, cotton filled bottom housing, Akko Jelly Black hand lubed w/205 g0 , akko red and blue samurai keycaps. It's more towards marble thock ish sound. Love it.
The reason why we use polyfill as a sound dampener and not any other materials is because polyfill is proven to be safe for electronics as it is an anti-static cottonish material. You might wanna check out what kind of cotton you used for your board cuz if you used make up cotton or face cotton remove it ASAP! It might intervene with your PCB resulting to a shorted out PCB or a bricked one. Be careful on what you put underneath your board specially if it has down firing LED’s because one wrong move and your PCB goes bye bye. Just sharing this knowledge in case some doesn’t know about it. Hopefully you look onto this too! Have a good dayy!! 💛
bye bye pcb
the lighter the foam the deeper the sound the denser the foam the higher(or clackier)
Not to mention that cotton can literally catch on fire especially if your keyboard has a battery in it.
@@skrimontgv2217 is it safe to use cotton if you do the tape mod in the pcb?
It’s better to use a thick wood table as well for thock instead of a deskmat. This is because the sound resonates through the wood causing a thocky sound.
lewis using the ahegao keycaps knowing he won't get demonetised cos the caps are translucent
xd
Sneaky little ba-
This isn’t thocky at all, super
High pitched. Look at other thocky builds, this is creamy or clacky at best.
U shld review ttc hey and base it on Hipyo tech cos of howdy hey 😂😂😂
i went too far, my keyboard now resonates at a constant 7hz,
anyone also experiencing this? some advice would be helpful :)
If i took a shot every time Lewis said the word thocc i would have alcohol poisoning
Love pbtfans cant wait to see some more designs in the future. Really dope caps for the money. I havent tired it but not a fan of the kbd67, prob cuz of the bad mounting style. Looks like you prob made it better removing the silicon. Sounds alot better now.
Fun vid.
One note, though...I don't know if foam makes the keyboard "denser" as opposed to damping the transfer of sound through the case and air.
interesting
We need a keybored science segment on what foam does
@@eggychan7613 Keybored already made it in his Wind X65 video
@@suchti9049 except somehow in practice on some board, the reverse is true. We need a dedicated keyboard science lab to really find the answer.
bro stfu n enjoy the video
@lewis Toh at 2:20 playing with youtube's guidelines i see.
xd
2:00 where can i get those keycaps? I love them, it fits my colour scheme of white and black
ummmmm
Ayo 🤨🤨🤨
yoooo... those keycaps at 1:52 do look hawt :O
xd
i thought the silicone dampener was the only thing separating the plate from the pcb. also, where did you get the replacement gaskets from?
Why does he use SUS keycaps for the switch demo😂
Try the WS Onion switches, they are extremely low pitched. Should be a great option for a super thocky linear instead of the U4T
oooo
That keyboard sounds really awesome man that's exactly how I want my keyboard to sound.
keyboa 💀💀 he said it like my parents.
I had this exact same build, just the aluminium version of the KBD67. Ended up replacing the Boba U4Ts with Lilac Linears cause I wanted to use it in the office lol. Bobas were just too loud XD
interesting
WHAT ARE THOSE KEYCAPS BRO
1:56 keycaps lookin sus
you forgot PE Foam mod, even if this is more suited for marble sound, but still.
1:54 you trying to hide those keycaps dont you?
umm
Finally I'm not the only one that noticed that
1:53 dont be shy show more of the keycaps.
i like the keycaps you used in the switches test
Bro is down bad
Ngl, the final result was so THOCCCCC and I didn't expect that. Now, I want to make my board more thocc even though I already gave a lot of thocc mod lol.
nice
Hey man, great video. I had a doubt @5:51. You said you replaced the PCB foam (which i assume means the foam between the PCB and the plate) but your video shows you replacing the case foam (lying between your pcb and case). Which one did you replace? Also, what kind of foam did you replace it with? Thanks
there is a foam called pcb foam, it goes at the back of the pcb, i removed that and used a normal poron case foam
@@LewisToh did you remove the original case foam, the white one? or did you leave it there and add the poron foam on top of it
the captions said that the thocky typing was an applause 😭
thats the best part
You have such a nice vids!
thanks!
0:05 he said ""so today ill be sh-trying and showing you guys how to build a thocky keyboard"" it was so funny
xd
Ummm… whet keycaps did i just see on the on the switch comparison?
huh
anybody notices the keycaps hes using..... 2:10
Oh yeah I did
fell asleep at 6:45😴
2:10 caught in 4K
This is a really good build! (also, what about the bakeneko60, it is $130 with an aluminum case and an oring mount.
good
Yeah just way to clacky
bakeneko is amazing for its price, hell its amazing even disregarding its price. Obviously, since it uses gummy o ring it will be a bit higher pitched
@@medi6892 theres no such thing as too clacky
just kidding its preference
With the KBD67 LITE R4 MECHANICAL KEYBOARD DIY KIT what switches size fit 62g or 68g?
the weight of the switch wont affect how it fits in the keyboard lol
Half of the videos are from hipyo tech if you search up “thock”
LOL
plz reply in the last scene of you typing what keycaps are those
mt3 god speed, check the link in desc!
are pom keycaps good for thock?
i dont think so
Can't wait for the vid to drop!
Just a question, could u do a vid on the gas67?
i am editing it right now! should be ready next friday :)
pe foam
4:29 Where do you get those Keycaps? And also can the GMK Keycaps can work too?
link down below, pbtfans spark!
so many videos out ther can be removed after this one has been published. Super thanks
1:53 nice keycaps LOL
Just a quick correction, you mentioned that doubleshot PBT is the more cheaper option, but ABS is actually on the lower end for quality compared to PBT. Just letting you all know if you were confused :)
its u again
abs sucks
Thank you I was confused there😅
High-end ABS sets like ones from GMK are generally the most expensive because they produce the highest quality legends with their double shot process. ABS plastic also allows for basically any colour combination imaginable. They are vastly different from the cheapo dogshit ABS shinethrough keycaps that gaming keyboards usually come with and are usually what people refer to when people say that ABS is inferior to PBT.
PBT naturally has more resistance to shine than ABS, but since most PBT sets are dye sub, quality of legends can get close but will not match the quality of GMK Doubleshots. Dye sub also limits colour combinations to strictly darker shade legends on lighter shade keycaps. Reverse dye sub is an option, but is not common and is hard to get right.
One material isn't simply better than the other, it just depends on what you value more in your keycaps. High-end ABS if you're looking for more colour options and crisper legends, PBT if you hate shine and can live with not having the highest possible quality legends.
@@Leo-cv5mh me personally, i care about sound so thats why i prefer pbt
throw some akko matcha greens in that i swear that keyboard will be the most thocky thing you've ever heard and smooth and quiet.
fr
Love your keycaps. I am intrigued by the increase of thocc through decrease of dampener. It is a matter of density I wonder? Thanks for this video!
yesss
wait a secondd u cant hide the cursedd key caps
hide?
Did you use the 62g or 68g U4Ts here?
It’s so thoccy
What’s with the h3nt@! Keycaps!
huh what r u talking about :)
Thocc is overrated. I prefer creamy and poppy keyboards
I think PBT is the higher quality material because it's also oil resistant inherently and the material is also just more expensive
Double Shot ABS is more expensive and easier to mold so is used in more applications so yeah I think PBT is definitely the key caps to go towards if you can. Obvs the manufacturer can make a better ABS keycap set than another manufacturer that did PBT so but generally speaking PBT is better and higher quality
imagine not having 20+ layers of masking tape in your keyboard
just fill it with concrete at that point
Yessir
I'm so sketched with tape mod on my epomaker th80, its my first mechanical keyboard, and alot of people saying not to use certain painters tape with a keyboard that has a battery, apparently some are conductive.
Easiest solution: electric tape
mr toe can you do a commission for me? I want you to make mouse with aimbot in it
Wpm? I think it should be changed to thocc per second (tps)
Hello you earned a sub and like im about to buy the upcoming krush 65 polycarbonate version they have 2 kinds of mount o ring and top mount? Can you help me to choose what stabs plate switches and keycaps to choose pls
He's probably out cheating on me😭
Him: 5:22 OOOO YA this keyboard sounds better then my gf at 3:00am
So I’m a little confused about what you did with that silicone dampener. You mentioned that you replaced it with a gasket and kept that same silicone dampener on the bottom of the case?
I have 50 euros to buy a keyboard, recommend me smth plz. Need the Spanish layout with "ñ"
anyone realized the ahegao keycaps?
shh
Could you please link that livestream you mention?
does anyone know where i can get a polycarbonate plate for a tm680 cos it only comes with a steel plate
Is it possible to buy a keyboard built by you? I mean something with this exact thock!
none of those linears thock, fuck when i am going to find a 150-dollar budget thock keyboard that aint clack
Nahhh bro thought I wouldn't notice the ahegao keycaps in 1:52 - 2:29
Lil critique for your video sound, turn the music down and have a less frantic song playing, you need smooth slow and calm music not hectic loud music
does this come with stabilizers already?
i only watched this video because i wanted a good keyboard
Your accent is awesome, please say thock 100 times!
hello, is gateron g yellow pro good for thocky keyboard?
I see, less/thinner dampeners really do thock more. I've seen it from another video
Let's gooi, i preordered my kb67 lite r4 so I'm very happy you are making a build with it! Imma use box ink v2s and GMK Laser or Polycaps hippo
niceee
You should get gateron cj’s or oil kings instead gateron cj’s are much smoother then tangerines stock and oil kings are also good for thock and are smoother then the inks
@@TrippieMint bold if you to assume i have money to buy those too, haven't even ordered my keycaps yet
This is ridiculous :) a thocky keyboard - some kind of a asmr fetish?
can you do this video but on creamy keyboards?
How thick is the foam you ended up using?
Does anyone know what keycaps fit the switches in this video?
wow I loved this sound wish a keyboard how that
Those are some sus sound test keycaps Lewis 🤨🤨
2:30 man just forgot holy bobas exist
If the masking or painters tape uses acrylic (a fairly common material used in those tapes) then yes, you should be worried about shorting the pcb...
i know the majority used PE foam between the plate and switches but are there any differences using different type of foam for the case? i can't decide which foam to use for filling those empty space in my case.
Yes some foam is better at sound reduction
Wait are these lubed?
yes
this is what u call over thocc..
yes
nowadays ,to get poppy just add PE Foam
take a shot each time he says "thock/thocky" ..
Finished my first keyboard yester and oh boy does this baby thock!!
it sound more like clacky instead of thocky
Is this for falling asleep? My god the sound.
nice keycaps in the switch comparisons😏😏