Fiery Exchange between Karen Read Defense, Witness Erupts in Murder Trial
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- Опубликовано: 19 июн 2024
- Digital forensics analyst Nicholas Guarino was back on the stand Thursday morning breaking down evidence in the boyfriend cop murder trial. Under cross examination, Karen Read’s defense attorney and Guarino exchanged several fiery comments while discussing cell phone data. At one point, the judge had to ask both the attorney and witness to pause and not to speak over each other.
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Karen Read faces several charges including second-degree murder, manslaughter while operating under the influence of alcohol, and leaving the scene of personal injury and death. She was arrested in February of 2022, a few days after John O’Keefe died. If convicted, Read faces life in prison.
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This whole department needs to be investigated
@@Tmiscia DIDN'T YOU HEAR THE LAWYER AT PRETRIAL HEARING BRIAN ALBERT COLIN AlBERT HIGGINS AND PROCTOR ARE NOT UNDER FEDERAL INVESTIGATION
This witness is obnoxious with his laughing at times. This is a murder trial and someone is on trial for their life
Arrogance
there is a trial because a life was taken
Just like Matt McCabe!
Makes me rage! 😡
@@barbaradodge1442 not by the defendant obviously
How do you not even bother to investigate inside the house
flock together like a feather, cops covering for cops, had they looked inside it would have made it more difficult to cover up
I do find it “surprising” that Brian Albert rehomed Chloe, had the basement redone, and sold it for $50K undervalued. Something happened in the basement…
@scoutsquad59 exactly because if they did go inside, they would have all the answers for the questions in court
@samiam1509 yes all of those actions they made makes it look suspect, even just the house they have lived there in multiple generations and then you suddenly sell it, and having the basement re done to is just wild
because it’s an inside job.
These cops throughout this trial are an embarrassment.
As is the judge.
Absolutely 100%!!!
They're also dangerous.
Is the the character we want police to possess?
@Cherokee51774 the police unions have got more and more powerful over the years, and police accountability is virtually non-existent, which all leads to more crappy and aggressive cops on the streets. I think that's why the police don't garner as much respect from people as they use to. All the RUclips videos of them acting like tyrants doesn't help much either. 🤷♂️
yeah but not when they're butt-humping each other in public places.
If I was a juror, I would have a big problem with the demeanor of the witness. Does he think it’s impressive to be such a jerk?
To be fair, a witness on cross examination is a hostile witness. Nor do you answer with any additional information than what is asked for. That is why the defense has to peel back the information the witnesses don't provide. This also allows for the witnesses to trip over themselves or testimony by other witnesses.
@@everybuddy5924you can’t have a hostile witness on cross. That’s only on direct.
@@everybuddy5924 That is not the definition of a hostile witness
@@gagecarlsen3872 Correct
But you are not... as such nobody cares what you think. I'm sure you are used to that by now.
Another arrogant cop!
Brutal!
ARROGANT LAWYER
Excellent defense Lawyers!
Not perfect enough for you. I’m guessing you believe Karen isn’t arrogant. If you say she isn’t, then you are kidding yourself.
@@stevenprice6957and…relevance? I don’t care if she’s arrogant or not - the CW must show that they conducted an entirely unbiased and thorough investigation that identifies and establishes “whodunnit” beyond a reasonable doubt. Arrogant and evasive cops, and the absolute scumbag Procter, should have been fired years ago.
To call that guy an "Expect Witness" is truly an insult to "Expect Witnesses."
This trial is outrageous. The prosecutor said in his opening statement that Karen hit John at 12:45 and we learn today that she got back to John's house at 12:36! The jury has to be furious at this waste of their time.
Stop making things up as you go. You sound like yanetti.
Yeah that did happen today. Not making it up. 😐
@@stevenprice6957 are you saying that Lally didn't say that in his opening statement? If so, I suggest you review it. Trooper Paul also stated she hit him at 12:45. If you aren't aware of these facts, then you haven't watched every moment of this trial.
Making what up? That’s what was said.
nobbee Please play closer attention or withhold comments
EDIT My apologies for my "pay attention" comment. It may be ME that needs to take that advice.
It’s highly concerning that this man is a public servant, a person sworn to protect and serve. He doesn’t seem like he’s very interested in justice- he actively seems like he’s avoiding the truth. He seems arrogant, shady, and callous. Those are the worst possible characteristics for a public servant.
scary!
Agree 100%. How does he still have a job? Stunning.
@@MarieAntoinetteandherlittlesis READ THE ARTICLE FROM THE STATE POLICE UNION THE DA KNOWS CREATORS AND SUBSCRIBERS ARE PAID BY YANNETI AND JACKSON TO PROMOTE PROGANDA CHECK MASS LAW THIS IS A CRIME SHARE ON YANNETI AND JACKSON
This guy is hostile, avoiding, playing word games, laughing inappropriately and I can’t take him serious. 🤡
Hopefully, the jury takes notice. I sure noticed.
Crazy despicable actually
Very Disrespectful like most all of the Prosecution witnesses have been ! And I noticed and I have no ties to either family or defendant!! Very Hostile argumenative this crew is!
His bothered as his education and experience was put in doubt by defense!!!
exactly he’s laughing at a trial for a police officer killed by THEM!! what’s so funny??
This judge is annoying
💯 She's blatantly biased
Not as much as the turtle defence
She’s pathetic! She should be disbarred! Her reasons of “sustained” & consistently asking to essentially ask question differently is so very biased!Canton citizens should be bearing those signs!
@@stevenprice6957 really? Do you truly believe this “evidence” should put say you or your loved one in jail for life for murder? The “evidence” collected in the solo cups, after the leaf blowers, an abandoned crime scene, a bullied M.E., multiple trips made by Procter as he *magically* found dozens of pieces of supposedly shattered unshatterable taillight no one else found? Sure dude.
Cheif Judge Definitely should take over. But probably a little late in their game.
Never seen a courtroom operate like this. Weird.
I like how the defense got him to say he's not sure if the Canton PD was the scene of a crime. That leaves open the door that Proctor committed obstruction of justice by removing taillight pieces to take back to the crime scene, which also would violate Karen Read's civil liberties. The cop is right - maybe it really was the scene of a crime!
That’s what high powered lawyers do. If you tell them you don’t know what you are that morning they will make the jury believe that’s because you are on a hunger strike. They would make innocent people look guilty to a jury. After all, that is their job.
These officers are smart wonder what trail you watching a lot of dirty defense and killer K R with their lies maybe they are too bright for some watching !
@@cookieramlall9178 the cops are smart? But they’re also obviously too sloppy to get away with it.
His smirking and lying and laughing and contradicting is Reprehensible!
How do you know it was you where he was
@@janpararas2266?
He is laughing at that clown Yanetti
@@user-ut9nb8rw1oCop thinks he’s a lawyer not
@@user-ut9nb8rw1onope. no cop the clown
I have no idea why he was laughing. This is about a police officer that was murdered 😮
It’s okay for KR to be smirking though is it?
Whataboutism
@@lynseydavies6785Karen's cold eyes, her anorexia is kinda gross
@@jamie.777 Have you been listening? She has a medical condition. Go back and listen. Hopefully you will at some time develop empathy.
@@jamie.777Anorexia and eating disorders are not a joke. You’re sick to let your feelings re a case allow you to demonise serious illness. Shows you care more re bullying and taunting than justice.
Absolutely disrespectful to officer John O’Keefe ! This officer should be ashamed of himself.
Ashamed of himself …for what?? You people are ridiculous!
This sad excuse of an officer is laughing on the stand?? If they truly believe Karen is guilty? They shouldn’t be being so disrespectful as to prove what POS they all r and instead doing their best to being justice to their fellow officer and peer. Karen Reed is innocent.
@CK61721 WHILE I believe Ms. Read has been set up and is a victim in all this I also believe that her dead boyfriend and her were a part of this crowd/circle of friends and are not exactly stellar humans themselves.
Can't wait to hear the not guilty verdict.
@@leanneharrington8669wow what an arrogant attitude he has..
The sad fact is unless the feds get involved there will no repercussions in anyway because of this trial.
Majority will get a slap of the hand and all forgotten in time.
That’s been the scenario the past 30-40+ years.
Ppl of MA need to speak up.
I think they have because of the grand jury. The defense has some great unbiased witnesses lined up if the judge allows them in
@@SarinaSazi I think this is the judge's last trial. I see her retiring .
Feds are investigating
This guy just confirmed that they locked on to Karen Read BEFORE all the information was known. They also bought time for everyone to get their stories straight and ignored any other possible suspect.
Cmon bro we all know she did it.
It was obvious to them because all the evidence, her actions, and her very own confession told them she did it. I Why would they look anywhere else?
She didn’t want to take responsibility for what she had done and decided to stick it to the people who had been in the house, and Chloe, their pet dog. You go Karen!
Why didn't they search the house of the property he was found on?
@@barbaramay1866Where is the evidence? Which of Karen’s “actions” prove she ran over John? You’re clearly just biased and incapable of comprehending evidence.
@@barbaramay1866Canton Amnesia. We must be watching and hearing different things
This witness is a liar
Haha. All liars but Karen and her team right ? Yeah ok🙄🙄😂😂😂
@@stevenprice6957 onl;y scumbags like you would defend the Nazi police force that had the gall to think they could get away with murder
@@stevenprice6957Is this Al Albert?
@@stevenprice6957 he contradicted himself in a massive way. "i don't recall if all data points were included in what was dropped off on DAs server" and then "this data report extraction is not inclusive of all potential data included in this evidence" i would say that is lying.
@@stevenprice6957Karen is the biggest out of all of them! Haha!!
Everyone involved, with the Prosecution of this case, should be ashamed of themselves.
I agree the prosecution should be ashamed but to be ashamed u must have a conscience
Your bias is shameful. 🙄
Defence should have asked him “why did you say kill me!” Under your breath ?? X
That’s not the guy who said it. It was Trooper Paul, poor guy, after being tortured on the stand by Jackson, who was meaner than usual.
@@barbaramay1866it was not. It was this guy.
@@barbaramay1866it was this guy. He said it on Tues
Was that when he asked if we wanted to be here today or something like that?
@@barbaramay1866it was this guy indeed
Arrogant tactics of a 12 year old. This guy is pathetic in his derision, grasping. Wordplay not amusing.
Wait …but Alan Jackson didn’t do cross 😂
Emotional intelligence zero.
Like most cops.
The way these witnesses are so hostile is just ridiculous! All it’s doing is making them look incredibly bad in the eyes of the jury. If I were a juror I would be absolutely flabbergasted.
The defense are equally hostile.
@@mizteek5024the defence are furious at the blatant misconduct and miscarriages of justice against their client. I knew nothing about this case before the trial started and have been following it day by day watching testimony like the jury and it’s making me mad and sick at the way the CW, the witnesses, Canton PD and especially Proctor have behaved in this. The victim & his family deserved better than this mess and I can’t wait to find out the outcome of the FBIs investigation etc.
Imagine what would’ve happened if Karen Read didn’t have the money to hire this defense team? This has probably cost her into the hundreds of thousands. Imagine how many people this HAS happened to.
Not only was he smiling but he was HUMMING 😭
Says the emoji using loser...
I thought it was OK to laugh and smile Karen does it all the time doesn't she this whole thing is a dn joke to bad for John and his family it's clear they won't get justice
@@Look_What_You_Didsounds like you’re just a lame 🤷🏽♀️😂
What do you expect? This is “kill me” cop witness.
@@Look_What_You_Did🤡
All the states witness seem to think this is funny...
You have to laugh at some of the defense’s lame questions.
@@barbaramay1866 What, if any, questions are you referencing?
@@barbaramay1866Jen McCabe is that you trolling in all the comments sections?
@@B_Bodziak its a bot..
Probably is not- I see her all over the place- always spouting nonsense
A little slip. Canton PD is def a crime scene! 😮
And an open sewer as well
This is the same guy who said “kill me” into the mic on Monday
No that was trpr paul
@@mandeemckenzie537nope it was this guy bc he had to read the texts
I actually believe it was lally because the video slowed down and zoomed in at the highest quality setting it doesn't look like he said it but it had to be him or lally so either way....
Wish someone would tho 😅 he is a smug pos
@@mandeemckenzie537no, it was this guy.
Why does he laugh about not following the rules. Hes like a bad adolescent brother who thinks making a joke out of someone/something will make people too embarrassed to hold him accountable
“…I don’t think the canton police department was the scene of a crime… “
But then maybe it was, actually.
I'll have to admit that watching these lying witnesses squirm trying to make their lies sound convincing is quite amusing😂.
The only liar is Karen Read. She’s got y’all bamboozled and Yannetti and Jackson are serving the KoolAid and you’re all drinking it up.
What lies? You support OJ too smh
@@Shaner373 Of course not.
@@Shaner373 pick one..
@@TheMik579 ok just checkin
I’ve never heard such BS that iPhones now record on the health app that you walk when you don’t walk? If you move the phone it records that your walking what a load of complete BullShi€
With how disgusting this police department behaves, I’ll be surprised if any rational intelligent person in that town ever trusts them again…
These police officers don't even care about JO disgusting x10
No they don't. Don't even refer to him a officer o Keefe. Disgusting.
And you know that how?
“I only looked at Karen’s phone.” No need to look at the others because they’re part of my team 👮
These state troopers are as shady AF
With this whole trial, honestly I feel so so bad for The O’Keefe family- they lost a sister/daughter/mom and then son/brother/uncle. Having to sit through this trial must be so hard for them. 😢
Don’t feel too bad as they are w the prosecution.DA n Mc alberts. They don’t want to know the truth but want to cont blaming Karen . Look Paul hasn’t stopped scowling n glaring at Karen when he should have given the death glare to Procter. As for Peggy she wants Karen to be guilty as she believes the meatloaf Morrisey and all these fool of an expert it seems like the defense is trying to bring the truth out. N they shoukd be supporting them Fools n like Sean n TB I not feel anything for them anymore
Do the O’Keefe’s family work? Paul and his wife. They are always in the courtroom
@@samiam1509Are you seriously trying to say they shouldn't be at their loved ones trial. Makes zero difference if they work or not, they have every right to be in court daily to see that JO gets justice.
@@samiam1509 Maybe their job gave them paid leave/family leave, in order to be there for their brother’s trial? Idk 🤷🏻♀️ Paul lost both of his siblings, I can’t imagine 😔
Miami Vice called, wardrobe wants their suit back.
If this isn't a hostile witness, then one doesn't exist.
Mass State Troopers are an embarrassment
They bashed his head for goodness sake! This is unreal
I really hope these cops are held accountable and Karen Read is acquitted this is insane
The citizens of Massachusetts deserve a kicker payment on their state taxes for how much of a giant waste of money this case has been and continues to be.
Also a MA voter!
Well, according to your Boston Herald about a week ago. These so called LEOs earn 140,000+ .
Your tax dollar at its best and if you needed to call a cop for assistance, this is what you get.
I would be afraid. Not only sad, but very scary. I wouldn’t even want to go out alone.
Get a rebate from KR. She should have plead guilty to a lesser charge.
we know. it’s awful.
right?! some kind of bs trial tax.
This judge is a clown!!! She’s in on it isn’t she??
what a hoax is this trooper ,again epic incompetent
LOL😅 Dude,
You can't be Robert Dinero.
The world already has one. LOL😅
What?
This is a trial about a murder, and someone possibly going to prison for life so regardless of reasons, I dont think its proper for this guy to be laughing about anything while testifying!
You're one of those typical ameritards....
but it's OK for KR to be laughing and joking w/attnys ???
@@barbaradodge1442 KR is not a professional called to the stand by the State as a witness, swearing to tell the truth, the whole truth, and nothing but the truth
Actually KR has a right to Laugh, cry, stare or whatever…. She’s paid for this trial.
The ppl of MA is paying this guy 140,000+ according to Boston Herald.
Earning 140,000+ to play around and misconducts for many years of corruption.
He’s classless and unprofessional.
☘️: Canton Police Department & their Attorney General rushed their “opinion,” did a shoddy & likely did a corrupt investigation & then overcharged Karen Read!
Such a waste of taxpayers 💰🤑dollars and embarrassment on Police & AG office!
Once again Bev makes snarky "let's speed things up" only with the defense. It's like she wants the jury to think it's the defense making this trial drag on. She never tells the CW to "speed things up" I'm SO sick of her biasness.
Exactly! But Bev has no problem with Lalli dragging this shitshow out. His questioning of witnesses is so repetitive and drawn out. The jurors have to check out 5 mins after he starts yapping🤦🏻♀️
@fabnforgotten6061 and maybe if she took less beach days the trial would be over by now
@@fabnforgotten6061 I also wonder a little if Lally is being so boring on purpose to make the jury tired/bored etc
@@TanyaQueen182 Idk. I think it might just be his vibe...boring😉 He's been so quiet & hard to hear this whole trial. Then today when he started on cross, he's no longer quiet and it's like he just found his voice box...very loud. Not once did Bev have to tell him to keep his voice up. Like why now Lalli after 29 days of trial🤦🏻♀️
Auntie Bev. This says it all. She belongs behind bars as well.
Another Trooper that’s ego is to big for his big rubber boots
These hinky prosecution witnesses have done nothing but build loads of reasonable doubt.
Because they’re hiding something
They seem to not be making their points
because they are LYING.
Mistrial!!!!!
This man’s class act should be lying 🤥 because how did Jen not search for Hos long to die in the cold at 2:27 am. It all doesn’t make sense.
That has been explained though testimony of TWO expert witnesses. That search at 2:30 am did not happen. It happened at Karen’s request at the 6:30 a.m. time. Period.
@@barbaramay1866 Two experts... Like trooper Paul? He has to be getting calls from attorneys around the country wanting his services.
@@barbaramay1866it happened by Jen at 227 nice try
@@barbaramay1866when has it been proven that KR requested JM to search for it, ever??? Keep in mind the word “PROVEN!”
@B_Bodziak LMAO! I’m sure he’s screening his calls on all the request !!😂
What a disgrace. She’s innocent. These cops killed their “buddy“ and then tried to frame her to cover it up
She was drunk and angry she killed him in a blind rage (bunnyboiler) couldn't take being dumped and she killed him...imo
WHERES'S THE PROOF THAT SHE WAS SET UP??????????????????????
You people who love to cry, "cover up" for everything have no idea how impossible it would be to arrange. Too many people would have to be involved and be willing to put their lives on the line - the police force, forensic experts, etc... Very difficult (impossible) for this many people and/or their families to keep quiet - somebody always talks.
This person has been listening to police officers, FBI agents, Prosecutors, DA's, DEA agents and they are all saying the same thing. This case stinks, it's a joke and the feds will show you that what the prosecution is arguing is not possible. I've never seen more reasonable doubt in my life.
Exactly this happened at another officer’s house and he didn’t even come out to see what was going on with police cars and emergency vehicles give me a break and then someone who was in the house googles how long does it take for someone to freeze to death. He was attacked by an animal and the dog that was in he house was gotten rid of! right…. Please don’t tell me this is not a cover-up. We know how many people this would take to cover this up… all of them that were involved hello
This is homicide trial with very serious implications why does this guy find it funny.
What about Karen Read and her attorneys laughing , smiling and flirting at the defense table. Have you confidently missed that
The defense is laughing b/c they’re CLEARLY lying & it’s absurd! Lol absurd!
@@megmeyer7563the defense is laughing at the “expert witness” that attended community college.
Why does KR find it all so funny? Her boyfriend lost his life, its hardly a laughing matter. 🙄
Because he’s an arrogant unprofessional POS
Jackson , Read n Okeefe family must be fuming at this guys arrogamce
Why do the attorneys say objection but do not state the reason for the objection, i.e., “objection leading”, etc.
That’s how this judge wants it done for this trial for some asinine reason.
People have commented that this judge does not allow the attorneys to say the reason for objections. I don’t think anyone said the judge’s reason for this policy.
Why do losers believe television is real?
Agree ,and the judge should be giving reasons for some of her rulings to the objections
@@zacharydavis7184 The objections themselves aren’t admissible and lack thereof wouldn’t be grounds for appeal. The reason for not having a speaking objection is it’s literally the opposite of what you said since they may include prejudicial comments. They are all professional lawyers (allegedly) and judges. The basis for objections is implied and if not she asks them to sidebar. It might just be the least asinine thing I’ve seen from her.
This clown was so focused on playing to the jury, he looked at the jury and answered " yes, sir "
I have suspicions about Colin and cops covering it up for a cops son.
Colin left the house at 12:10 confirmed by texts by his phone and pickup driver. His father is not a cop
This guy and the troopers before him are pathetic. They should not be in any position of power ever.
1:49 “While on scene Trooper Proctor secured O’Keefe’s phone and brought it to the District DA’s office.” Thank you very much! Hopefully, there’s sufficient evidence to support the Defense’s claims.
Bouncing in his chair and grinning
Every one of the McAlbertards needs to be brought up on conspiracy charges here.
Are all canton cops a holes like this guy!?
Not all, but the ones involved in this case seem to be.
Why don't you ask them instead of asking a bunch of keyboard warriors on a RUclips platform who don't know any of them from a hole in the wall.
@mizteek5024 maybe because most people wouldn't trust what they say anyway based on this case
@@johannawigg6921 So why bother asking people on here who have even less of a clue.
@mizteek5024 it's ta RUclips comment section what do you want a dissertation?
Proctor and his cronies are the people you avoid at all costs, not one of them has any redeemable qualities. All about the brotherhood, who is going to worry about this woman and those two kids?! Truly disturbing.
Granny Bevy once at her best, protecting the prosecution side@
These police clearly think they’re above the law.
The angry then alarmed voicemails and his confirmation Read was back at John O’Keefe’s house by the latest 12.36 prove her innocence. (The drive was in a blizzard too.)
True!
Only a few miles away, no cars on the road. Library video shows her car
This is the same cop who ran cover for the Birchmore case and cops. Cleaning phone records.
Excellent combative cross examination showing this guy to be in on the fix. Feel sorry for the decent people of Canton. Their cops are crooked.
It must be a frustrating and helpless feeling to know that in a time where you may need PD assistance, these are the guys who will show up.
This poor lady is innocent and everyone knows it.
That’s as ridiculous as bugs bunny is your president.
@@stevenprice6957I would take Bugs Bunny in a heartbeat over Biden! 😂😂
@@Johnnyjonas274lol
Bugs Bunny would be a much better President!!!
Yeah I’m Australian so know little about Biden. All I do know is it seems you always have crazy presidents 😂
Small town cop to a trooper...now he thinks he's god's gift to law enforcement....met those like him.
Witness playing with words😂
Why is he laughing
Because he has behavioral issues. Doesn’t know how to present himself in a courtroom.
Nervous people or those who have a reason to lie tend to laugh a lot.
He is copying KR
When he said he went back to the scene 3 months later with Corrupt Proctor, he became an invalid and untrustworthy interpreter of data. He smirked more than Proctor lied in his first cross examination.
He keeps looking at the jury when answering the question, Amber Heard had that same tactic.
It’s proper
I’ve noticed a common personality trait between all these LEO.. excuse me policy enforcers (they haven’t enforced the law they broke the law) is they all have zero self awareness.
Wait until he testifies about the data extraction in the Sandra Birchmore case
Another one who should be charged with PERJURY. I have stopped counting all the lies.
This judge should address the arrogant and rude behavior of some of these witnesses. I've never seen anything like it where a judge allows behavior like this.
🤥🤥🤥🤥🤥🤥🤥 Another terrible cop!!
Why are these policeman so hostile. Only someone with something to hide answer questions the way they do.
This cop needs to grow up! Such sarcasm…what’s so funny?
3:28 there is some honesty here. I'm sure the Canton Police department is the scene of many crimes
Typical smug DB cop
The Judge is anything but impartial. She’s openly antagonist towards the defense.
This was the most fiery exchange ever in history.....
@3:00 this witness just admitted that there "might" be a crime at Canton PD.....>>> Did someone commit a crime at the PD that you are aware of because evidence was TAMPERED with !!! Only the crime scene investigator should authorize movement of evidence !!!
Most arrogant cop ever unbelievable
I love how this witness laughs at the defense lawyer. He is laughable the way he questions people like he is Perry Mason 😂😂😂😂
@AussieInsider - This trooper was REALLY thirsty during this cross-examination. I think I counted 3 or 4 different times in this nine minute clip that he got REALLY thirsty!! 😂
Witness has amnesia
There's no way the jury is going to convict.
I hope you’re right!!
Are you a mind reader? 🙄
@@mizteek5024You’re probably family to one of these pricks
This witness lied, there was no elevation on another street , turtle boy went there and tested it that street is flat..
The arrogance of all law enforcement was so offensive throughout the trial
Glad this trial is televised
He was a better prosecution witness than Proctor.
Web of deceit and lies
Unbelievable Arrogance from a law enforcement officer. We want trust our LEO’s and this makes it very difficult to do so. Very disturbing.
Did all the prosecutors witnesses go to the same school of let’s make this the most difficult in answering questions from the defense???? Ugh