More New Blooms
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- Опубликовано: 10 сен 2024
- I this video, I show new flowers from Rlc. Edisto x Rlc. American Heritage, which is not yet registered and I find hard to believe is really this hybrid. I also show blooms of Cattleya Big Dipper.
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I think names inside single quotes are just to identify a especific plant from their siblings in a cross.
Orchid nurseries usually give a clone name to very nice plants from a cross and they will try to get awards from that plant
If the clone named plant receives awards they will be mericloned which would make its name popular and might give the impression that only awarded plants have names under single quotes, but, as far as I am concerned, they are used just to identify one plant from their siblings
Here in Brazil, specially among C walkeriana breeders, all good looking plants will receive a "clone name"
Thanks for your comment - that does make sense. But, it has got to be confusing when there can be so many clonal names from anyone who just wants to name their orchid without any registration. For this plant, the hybrid was not even named - apparently, just this one clone. But, to make things more confusing, I found the same plant name (with the same name in single quotes) on Etsy and the flower did not look at all similar to mine. There is no way that this plant was cloned from the same plant as mine. Things are already confusing enough in the orchid community....
@@plantpropagator You mentioned that usually yellow x red flowers tend to produce all red offspring. Is it because a red flower has a combination of anthocyanins and carotenoids, and yellow ones are "albino" for the anthocyanin pigments but not for the carotenoids? Like purples and albas, except in this case it is the carotenoid yellow color that is left in the background, while true albas lack either forms of pigment?
@@Naturamorpho I am sorry but I do not know if this is a simple answer. In looking at Edisto, this is a very dark red flower and I would guess that the mixing of the dark red with the yellow would not make yellow. I base this partly on the other progeny from this parent. I am still learning genetics here - not from my crosses but from looking at the crosses that others make. It may not be possible to take data from other orchid types since the genetics of color and especially patterns may be different in different orchids. Sorry - I do not have a good simple answer for you....
Remember when Carter and Holmes introduced Rlc. Edisto. They use to feature it in their catalogs. Always lusted after one as they are impressive burgundies of various shades. You could contact C&H and ask them whether any of the progeny they've made from Edisto turn out to be yellow-ish.
Thanks for your comment - another great idea - will contact them tomorrow.
The yellow orchid is beautiful even if it hasn’t been tagged correctly. I would like to see you virus test it.
I know that I need to virus test this plant (and a few others). Virus testing kits are costly and I am thrifty but I do need to just buy some kits.
I do have a colleague who recently bought kits, tested some of their orchids and have tossed many of the orchids in their collection due to virus infestation. I am not looking forward to that possibility!!... But, OK, need to do this...
@@plantpropagator Can viruses be passed to near by orchids?
@@sherriheebner9479 Unfortunately - yes. Unlike fungal pathogens, I think that there needs to be contact or a vector (either insect or tools) that physically carry the virus from one plant to another. This is the main reason that I and others flame their instruments between cuts. I am not a virologist but you can have asymptomatic plants that carry viruses and cause minimal damage or damage to other plants once transferred. Viruses can be really bad.
@@plantpropagator I wish you luck. I’ll be waiting to see how the test turns out. You have some beautiful orchids. I enjoy your channel.
Questions, as usual ( guess I'll have to join, next time😄) : I, and many other growers as a matter of fact, like to nickname some of our orchids so that we can easily differentiate or recall the origin of given individuals. For instance, I had a 𝘊𝘢𝘵𝘢𝘴𝘦𝘵𝘶𝘮 𝘤𝘦𝘳𝘯𝘶𝘶𝘮 who flowered every other month, and which I called 𝘊. 𝘤𝘦𝘳𝘯𝘶𝘶𝘮 Floribunda. Floribunda was not awarded or even ever shown publicly. So I wouldn't write that between single quotes, right? Is there a correct notation I should use to show it is just a nickname given by the grower?? And I have another question... A much more technical one. Remember I was telling about my vegetables medium recipe and how I use chayote in it? Well, I found an article telling about the amino acids present in chayote, and I wonder if any one in this list strikes you as beneficial, harmful, or indifferent! The article says nothing about amounts of each, though: The fruit and particularly the seeds are rich in amino acids such as aspartic acid, glutamic acid, alanine, arginine, cysteine, phenylalanine, glycine, histidine, isoleucine, leucine, methionine (only in the fruit), proline, serine, tyrosine, threonine and valine.
You can name your own orchid 'Willy Wonka' or anything else that you want. The problem is that, if you sell your plant or give a division away to anyone else (who does not know you), that name will be meaningless since it is not registered anywhere. This is done a lot with Dendrobiums. When I get Dens (and other orchids), I now check to see if the name is registered. If the name is not registered, I cannot name a hybrid that I make from it so it has less value to me. For people who just like nice flowers and do not care about parentage, that is fine. For the name in single quotes, that usually indicates an award, which is also included when you register orchid progeny with the Royal Horticultural Society.
For your medium formulation question, amino acid supplements are helpful. I use casein hydrolysate in my orchid media - this is a digest of casein, which is a milk protein and contains all amino acids and probably some small peptides. Orchid seed will germinate on bark or in the soil with organic matter as long as there is a mycorrhizal associated with it. You can have germination and growth on a variety of simple media. Some people say that orchid seeds grow the fastest in nature - I do not believe that. I try for optimized growth in flasks, so I am trying to really tweak the media. Your vegetable medium seems like it works - the vegetable contains amino acids, sugars, vitamins, proteins, minerals and everything else. Plants make all the essential amino acids - we do not - that is why we need to eat plants (or animals that eat plants). And you can always overdo anything.....
@@plantpropagator I like Willy Wonka for an orchid name! Lol!
It really is a shame when a hybrid that has excellent qualities is a NOID. I have a couple of those, excellent flowers that I would love to use in a breeding program if they had a valid registered name! Maybe there could be a NOIDS only category in shows... 😀
My home society has an "orphan" category for this - not official with AOS but we provide local awards for NoIDs. A few years ago, I asked them to rename the category "NoID" but they said that the tags for this category were already made and that they did not want to change it!
@@plantpropagator The nicknaming thing is more common with species, it is just a means of telling clones apart. The binomial Latin name is the important data when breeding. Other times you may have a unique plant from a batch of properly registered hybrid siblings, and you nickname it even if it has no awards... In the early days of orchid growing some very famous species plants got their clone names and fame within the hobby even before any proper award or registration.