Can't believe R&T came in here virtue signaling, when Jay is obviously not debating, but presenting an Orthodox belief. Juvenile hypocrisy, pretty petty with your cancel culture aura. I for one am excited about this chat.
You can always tell who is on the losing side of the debate rather quickly in situations like this. It's easy to see that Jay's opponents here are not pointing out a heretical statement or doctrinal error but instead are trying to get him cancelled because he's one big meanie. Pathetic. Absolutely pathetic.
I think you are conflating pointing out when someone behaves in a dreadful manner with wanting to get them canceled. Not the same thing. Personally, as a former Orthodox now Catholic, I have zero desire to see Jay canceled. If anything, his behavior when in debate with the guys over at R&T will keep more people from becoming Orthodox than it will attract to Orthodoxy. My prayer is that he will learn from his actions and change. Well that, and give up the Miami Vice outfit he is wearing in his thumbnail. Both would be good things.
@@dboan6847 To be fair, your own apologists in various online venues are quite toxic including R&T. In all fairness, we are attracted to Orthodoxy not because of laity but because of her teachings and beauty. I left RCIA for Orthodoxy and haven't looked back.
@@dboan6847 As Maria said, we chose Orthodoxy because it is true. Jay had a big part in helping me distinguish between Orthodoxy and Catholicism, and I dig when he takes the gloves off at times and doesn't sugar coat things. Ybarra is dishonest, and Jay calls him out. Plain and simple
So, we have some Orthodox on here saying Jay got out of line, but doesn't normally act like that and we have others saying they love it when he acts like that and calling the other side a liar. So, in other words it is GOARCH versus ROCOR. LOL!
I have my problems with Jay, but the slander against him I see coming from Reason and Theology and its followers in the comments here are simply dishonest and manipulative. I pray you take these comments with a grain of salt instead of listening to them uncritically.
@@GospelSimplicity I just have to thank you for your goodwill to have guests who are considered somewhat controversial. Listening to them is the only way to get out of the silos which we as Orthodox are all too prone to make in this country. On behalf of all the Orthodox people you are helping with this unifying work, THANK YOU! I would also like to second the request for an interview with Jonathan Pageau, and suggest Timothy Patitsas.
@@mancipiachristi9032 Because I have dozens of debates and interviews that are perfectly civil and friendly with people from a wide variety of perspectives. So your contention about me is simply not true.
Thanks for providing this clarity. Hopefully temperatures will lower when everyone sees how calm and controversy free the interview actually is when it comes out
I have not doubt that this will be an informative and solid interview. All the anti Jay vitriol needs to come to an end. Slander is not becoming of Christians. Jay is honest and isn’t afraid to be honest. Both him and Austin put out great content and I’m excited to see this video they’ve put together!
I think Jay Dyer might be aware of this himself but in his debates were he is ill mannered he usually is either correcting his opponent on a logical error or when his opponent insists on a logical error and he becomes angry. He is civil in all discussions I have seen and I have never seen him angry with arguments that don't possess logical errors even when he has a logical counter argument.
I’ve been a Evangelical Christian for 23 yrs and now I’m looking at Orthodoxy yr2023. Update 2024, was chrismated mid 2023, been in the Orthodox Church since, it’s amazing
If you haven't yet, i recommend going to your local parish to attend liturgy and speak to the priest, or call the priest before hand and have a conversation with him. Praying the Holy Spirit guides you.
Jay Dyer helped pull me out of Protestantism. Being catechized into the Orthodox Church with my wife in one month and my beautiful baby girl is being baptized On Holy Saturday! Thanks Jay
Thank you to everyone for their blessings. Wishing many years to all of you as well🙏🏼. ☦️ And praying for a ripe harvest over these coming years as the western world sinks further into darkness
@@IAMFISH92 I'll probably go up to Christ the Savior. I'll see you over zoom on "The Psychological Benefits of the Jesus Prayer" talk from Transfiguration and later the catechumen class though.
I am extremely happy to see Jay on your show, Austin. I have known Jay personally for quite some time and have always found him personable, gracious, and cordial. I also know Jay is highly passionate in his defense of the Faith and many people appreciate that - some can't take it. I do not take sides easily, for example I consider a certain carrot topped "apologist" who is technically on our side as beyond mentally ill while I have friendly exchanges with Catholic and Protestant apologists who have reached out but continually harping on a single event in Jay's debate history after he publically apologized is, quite simply, being the Prodigal Son's older brother. If the Reason and Theology crew are so concerned about you hosting Jay, I would assume it has to do with their pathetically low view counts due to their addiction to drama and largely underwhelming content. Who wants to tune in each night to hear yet another slow, bitter, and repetitive rant from Michael about his brief time in the Orthodox Church? Do you?
@OrthodoxyChloroQuine It would be an honor to go on Austin's show if he were to extend an invitation. If our content is great, it's because we our viewers are great. 😉
I don't think the guys from R&T have a pathetic low count in their videos. In fact, they reached 10k subscribers and were strongly recommended by Matt Frad, which certainly will give them a few thousand more of subscribers. I know that you don't like them, but as far as the channel, I suscribed when they had only 1k subscribers and 1 year later they have 10x more.
Wow. Reason and theology literally trying to cancel Jay. Gross. Jay was a massive factor in my conversion from Protestantism to Holy Orthodoxy. SUPER glad you gave him a chance, rather than caving to pressure from others who have a personal axe to grind
Austin, once I asked you to interview Fr. Spyridon Bailey. If you do this, please, would you consider to escape a little from this format to speak about the subject of his book "Orthodoxy and the Kingdom of Satan"? I think everybody will gain from it, really. Greetings from Brazil, greetings in Christ. Thank you! P.S. You/we have much to learn with Jay. He is a great guy.
That’s a decent book, for sure. It’s a good entry level into the world of the diabolical. I like that he sort of picked up where Fr. Seraphim left off.
@@icxcnika3429 I myself am not Orthodox, but I've been flirting with it a little too much. If there were (was? sorry by my English) an Orthodox church in my city with a Fr. Peter Heers in it, I would probably be an Orthodox today. :^) But, yes, we have some Orthodox churches here.
@@vincitomniaveritas8491 your grammar was spot on👌🏻 I have Fiddler on the Roof to thank for remembering IF...WERE “IF I WERE a rich man, dadadadadadadadadadadadadada...”
Just wanted to say I owe my conversion to Orthodoxy to Jay debating Fuentes and Ybarra over the summer during 2019. Since then I’ve consistently listened to his content and it’s a rare occasion when he turns into the big meanie R&T whine about. That’s all.
@@drjanitor3747 the diamond brothers can’t even support their own sedevacantist position, let alone “destroy” anyone else’s. How many chapels and priests do they have across America and Canada? Oh wait, sorry, that’s CMRI.
@@drjanitor3747 Palamite heresy? explain this then www.catholic.org/saints/saint.php?saint_id=1001 it really is inconsistent and all your personal rage does not change how Rome holds two contradictory positions at once.
@@drjanitor3747 I fully agree on your assessment of the post Vatican 2 teachings (cradle RC myself btw). For me, this calls into question the ex cathedra infallibility of the Pope. According to my albeit limited understanding, the doctrine of infallibility if true should not allow for what is apparent today. However with that said it is a dangerous thing to expect to be in possession of a ready explanation every last element of the faith. It is unwise to rule out faith statements as these are the equal of knowledge, the compliment of knowledge. So proper doctrine need not devolve into a game of "theology trivia" or some petty contest of "throwing" quotes at one another. With that in mind, why are you sedevacantist? what is the sedevacantist position on this?
Props to you Austin for being willing and open to have a conversation. It’s sad to see your guest being condemned as toxic when anyone familiar with your program knows your interviews are always edifying. I’m curious what YOU thought about your convo with Jay. I for one am looking forward to it.
I thought it was really quite fun and free from controversy. Honestly, it’s a lot like all my other videos. We just sat down and had a nice chat about theology
I feel like you're so congenial and neutral as an interviewer that it would be difficult to "get into a row" with you. It's like someone picking a fight with Barbara Walters 😂 ain't happening, 99.9 percent of the time. Too civil. Too self-controled. Too polite. Although, as you begin to grow in your knowledge of the ancient Eastern and Western churches, I'm hopeful that you'll be able to provide more pressing questions. Or maybe, you already are, but doing so "off the record". I know that isn't really your content. Nonetheless, happy to enjoy the ride! God bless your efforts.
@@e.a.c.2175 haha, fair point. I think I can probably be accommodating to a fault with my guests. At some point I’ll probably need to learn the art of pressing in charitably
Comments are shambles and people are acting like their opinions on Austin’s channel are law, so here’s my 2c: Jay was instrumental in my catechisical process and brought a lot of grace and clarity where I was confused, I thank God for him. Looking forward to the 25th.
@@drjanitor3747 I don’t know why you keep posting this stuff on everyone’s comments. The Roman Catholic Church still believes and teaches that the Orthodox have the real presence in the Eucharist and that they can get to heaven. Orthodox on the other hand don’t necessarily believe the same about the RCs.
@@drjanitor3747 how on Earth is that irrelevant? If our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ allows himself to be physically present in the Orthodox Eucharist then it can not be a false religion. If it was false it also would be a false Eucharist. The Catholic Church and the Pope seem to think everyone is going to heaven these days anyway so why worry yourself? If you disagree with what your infallible Pope is currently teaching then why not show love and kindness and genuine concern in your comments on every Orthodox post here instead of coming across as nasty, better than everyone else and telling us all we’re going to hell?
First time I watched Jay Dreyer when he had a debate with Shabir Ally, since than I’m big fan of Jay, I was really impressed of Jays knowledge, and obviously Shabir lost that debate and Jay won. God bless Jay and may the Lord continue use him for his glory 🙏❤️
Protestant in teens and early 20s, left for paganism because of issues I saw with teachings contradicting the Bible and other issues. Became Orthodox after attending liturgies and going to enquirer's classes and Catechumen classes.
Cheers from Bangor Maine. I fully converted to Orthodox Christianity around October of last year. I spent about 2 years as an Orthodox catechuman before that. I attend a small Orthodox mission in my local area. I lived as a transexual for over a decade before I came to Orthodoxy.
First Dr. Brandshaw now Jay Dyer with the core doctrine of uncreated energies and theosis.. Two treasures only in Orthodox Church found... God bless you bro... You don't need anything else, these doctrines summarize the whole Christian salvation...
As a Catholic this behavior I'm reading in this comment section is unbecoming of Christians and is nothing but pride and ego. Check yourselves and repent. I'm so sick and tired of coming online and just seeing waves of hate thrown towards Catholics from Protestants, to Jay Dyer from a lot of Catholics, everything. I don't really care if Jay is "toxic," but even if in the past he has been toxic, that doesn't give you a right to come onto someone else's channel and attempt to police what content they do or do not post. If you don't like Jay or what he's saying, don't watch his videos. This behavior is unbecoming of what Christ called us to do and its aggravating as hell to read on a constant basis.
Thank you. To your post I say amen and amen, and I strongly suggest to any Orthodox brethren who finds themselves on neutral channels, should put a guard on their mouths and exhibit charity towards Protestant and RCC folks. As for deplatforming behavior, let it never be found among our number.
Dude I'm so excited you actually reached out to Jay. I'm looking forward to the discussion, he's a wealth of knowledge and has a unique take versus most others out there. BTW, congrats on the engagement! God bless!
Found Jay 3 years ago and he pretty much helped convert me to Orthodoxy from mega church Protestantism as well as a few others at the parish I’m at. Will be baptized God willing during Lazarus Saturday this lent.
Excited. Controversy aside Jay is clever and doesn't pull punches. Not sure what the other guys are saying on here, but I say let the noise just be noise.
@@brotheraugustine Yes, I'd only considered that after having written the comment, as it was about noon in Serbia. But there is a very high probability that it was daytime in your Patriarchate's HQ. See, Holy Orthodoxy has an answer for everything! Keep up the good work, brother!
This was excellent. As ever Jay does a terrific job of explaining Orthodox theology in a way the average Christian can understand. Thanks for having him on ☦️
St. Nicholas out here giving Arius the right hook and y'all are worried about Jay being "mean". Thank you for standing with Truth Jay, I would be worried if you weren't seen as "controversial" by the world. Bless you Austin for bringing these wonderful discussions to light.
I wish people would stop looking to that example as being something we should follow. Read the rest of the story. St Nicholas was stripped of vestments, thrown in a cell, and kicked out of the council. He was repenting the entire night when Christ and the Theotokos appeared to him and returned his vestments to him AFTER his repentance.
Jay has been integral in my understanding of much of our faith. The Holy Spirit is at work in this man- thankful for a modern champion of Orthodoxy. Very excited for this interview.
I find it very strange Jay won't have kids with his wife. He's trying to encourage the "Christian family" path yet he seems more concerned with building his online persona. I can't take these guys seriously who push Christianity and tell me about the "sins" of fornication when they themselves aren't starting families either.
Really excited for this interview. Always great interviews on this channel, and Jay is one of the most articulate Orthodox apologists out there. Should be a fascinating discussion - I expect the haters are upset because if Dyer has a civil discussion with someone holding different beliefs, it'll blow a hole in their narrative.
Probably my favorite scripture on Theosis is 2 Peter 1:3-4, below: "As His divine power has given to us all things that pertain to life and godliness, through the knowledge of Him who called us by glory and virtue, by which have been given to us exceedingly great and precious promises, that through these you may be partakers of the divine nature, having escaped the corruption that is in the world through lust."
204 likes, and it starts in 11 days from now. Can't wait! This cancel culture is a tragedy by the way. A truth is independent of the person who holds it. Therefore, to argue that we shouldn't have someone speak because he's "mean" is, at least, naive.
Austin, thank you very much for hosting Jay on your channel as well as all other guests regarding Christianity. I enjoy all of your content. Thanks again, and God bless you.
Fantastic discussion, Jay, you were very kind to answer several Biblical questions I had last year on Twitter, and I always appreciate and enjoy your work. You humble many of us cradle Orthodox with your work, and that coming from a Sunday school teacher! God Bless ☦️
@@Daniel_Abraham1099 it’s been a MASSIVE yikes. Between the decretals, the donation, the many times there’s been multiple popes, the very odd apparent historical fact that the Avignon papacy was actually the legitimate one. The idea that salvation is based on believing in a physical man existing in Rome, while Peter’s see was Antioch. The denial of communion to children and the Frankish blood cult idea of the chalice of Christ being TOO holy for the laity and permitted for the priest alone. Like, it’s been NUTS. It was so shocking and so painful that I had to take two months off of studying; I felt so betrayed and disgusted by the blatant spiritual abuses of the papacy.
@@Val.Kyrie. yikes as in you actually thought at one point sedevacantism was a tenable position. which is no wonder why you have accepted the eastern position. You have decided to be your own pope that thinks they can "study" and determine truth based off personal fallible interpretation. You declared fallibly that the popes after the 1960s were invalid as a sede and now you have found a group of fallible churches that are in schism with each other, that you agree with. The simple fact is you can never have a definitive answer because you can never locate which autocephalous church is the true church with the present schism. Whatever fits your your personal Fallible preference i guess....
I can imagine that dealing with these comments pretty much showed you a pre-taste of hell 😂. You are right to summon any guest and teach everyone else here the true meaning of dialog and humility. May your conversation be fruitful.
I don't feel Jay Dyer should at all be seen as contraversial as your into implies. He has incredibly patient conversations with anyone from any background. The discussions people criticize are in cases when those he interact with are being ingenuous or attacking him. He doesn't even react in a rude way unless provoked.
Thanks for having Jay on. Jay calls it like he sees it and is responsible for bringing many skeptics to Christ and Christians to Orthodoxy. The Truth will set you free.☦️
First saw Jay when he beat up on this weird French Canadian guy named JF in a debate on Andy Warski's (now banned) channel. Smart guy. He's also pretty good at impressions.
For all of Jay Dyer's supposed meanness, I notice it's only one side trying to cancel other people out. It comes off as underhanded and desperate by R&T.
Yesterday was the service of Forgiveness Vespers which is the official kick-off of Lent in the Orthodox Church. In the Rite of Forgiveness every person in church asks for forgiveness from every other person in church by bowing or making a full prostration before the other and saying, “Forgive me a sinner” with the response being, “God forgives and so do I.” It is an incredibly moving tradition that gets everyone on the right footing to enter this penitential season. You know what would be a beautiful sight? If Jay and Michael and Erick of RT said those words to each other. Idk, maybe Austin can host them on GS so they can wipe the slate clean and start fresh?
I think I remember seeing a comment of yours on Bobbys Perspective's channel about Orthodox Christianity being the best theological position. Can you explain to me why? I am genuinely curious.
The problem with Jay Dyer is that he's the guy nobody likes, who's right. You Can't really argue with him because you agree with him. But he has a bad attitude about it
This must be awful on your nerves, you people pleaser, you. 😂 Lord have mercy ☦️. I think it's pretty silly how these people constantly bash Jay. Can he have a tendency to get irritable in his words? Sure. We all can.
Austin, you are about as noble as they come. Really looking forward to this. I feel like Dyer's content is like a wind tunnel or a blast furnace; not really what the average cottage industry folks are looking for, but indispensable when you need it.
Thanks Austin your work has greatly helped me in rediscovering my faith. Thanks for inviting Jay to talk with you. Judging by this comment section this is gonna be soo spicy. I have bern inquiring both into Roman Catholicism and Eastern Orthodoxy for a while so it will be great Congratulations on your engagement Many years
Hi Austin, I noticed in one of the comments you said that the apparent lack in Orthodox missions was an issue for you. This is likely because the Orthodox Church sees its existence in the West as a mission field. In addition, many of the post communist “Orthodox countries” are also mission fields seeing a massive turning back to the Church. The Church is really taking off in Africa, particularly east Africa, the Congo (link to docco at the end), Nigeria and South Africa. There are missions spreading in China, Thailand, Indonesia, the Philippines, Pakistan and Korea (north and south). The mission in Japan is over 100 years old and well established, look up Saint Nicholas of Japan. My diocese (New Zealand) runs a mission in the Pacific, particularly Fiji, Samoa and Tonga. The Church is growing via conversion in Europe, particularly France, Italy, the UK, Germany and Poland. I hope you enjoy this documentary about the Pascha feast during political unrest in Congo. m.ruclips.net/video/JY3N_wf28UI/видео.html
It's important to note that for the Orthodox Church, neither worship or "spreading the good news" is seen as the purpose of being a Christian. That leads to different priorities.
Austin! Your channel is amazing. I was scrolling through your content and it is absolutely top notch! Congratulations and I’m very happy you have so much orthodox content that’s very substantial!
I was challenged by the idea that if I'm going to talk about loving across the lines, then I need to actually do it. It might be growth, it might be foolishness. I suppose we shall see
Oy. I made the mistake of trying to read the live chat while listening to the video. Now I have a crazy headache. Thanks though, Austin. I will watch this again with the chat turned off.
After discussing with Patrons and other RUclipsrs I really respect, including some Jay has voiced disagreement with, I’ve decided to go forward with the interview.
You ask a good question that I've been pondering myself about the approach to theology in the East versus the West and whether it can be called "systematic." If the definition is simply that there is coherence, then I think you could call Eastern theology systematic. I think the difference is that there is far less speculative theology in the East. The principles that we start with are fewer and much more fundamental, and there is an organic realization of them, rather than the innovation you see in the West beginning in the High Middle Ages. Orthodox theology is clarified over time, but it does not develop. I think Western theology can be said to develop, or even innovate, over time.
Excellent interview and so much food for thought. I definitely did have to pause the video to let some things sink in. And, I ordered “Byzantine Theology”. So this was very insightful and beneficial. Thanks!
Hey Austin. I don’t know why you’ve decided that the version of events you’ve got from the R&T crowd is the complete truth, rather than idk listening to the other side? I don’t think you should let yourself be bullied into calling Jay toxic if you haven’t even talked to him about these things
@@mamafortuin he didn’t directly call him toxic. But by justifying the interview on the basis of ‘ignoring the toxicity’ and ‘loving across the lines’ he’s basically admitting implicitly that the allegations are true. Rather than say, not giving the allegations any legitimacy and holding off on makings such a judgement until he knew the full story
@@nicodemussmith He hasn´t any problem with Eastern Ortodhoxy, but Jay has been disrespectfull, there you have the interview. It has no value to have theological knowledge if you don´t have love, that´s all it matters, and sadly jay seems reluctant to love R&T in that debate with Erick Ybarra.
@@nicodemussmith, I appreciate Jay’s work, but his occasional cantankerous and abrasive behavior scandalizes people and it frustrates me how his disagreeable nature is an obstacle to the message he conveys. Rather than tell people to stop being such babies and suck it up, I wish he’d instead exercise patience with those whom he disagrees and bite his tongue sometimes. That’s all.
@@mamafortuin He exercises incredible patience 99% of the time, what are you talking about? Have you seen any of his debates and discussions? Particularly in his debates (which is where these allegations of “toxicity” are concentrated), he demonstrates great patience with people who don’t exactly show themselves to be deserving of it. Imagine playing a sport or a game with someone who repeatedly breaks all the rules and cheats and ignores you every time you try to correct or rebuke them-that’s what Jay often has to deal with when debating people who disregard the formal rules of a debate and refuse to interact with him in the proper fashion. I’m not saying he’s perfect, nor am I saying that he never exercised a sense of humour that some may find offensive. But I am saying that Jay is by no means “toxic” or “uncharitable” in the sense that some slanderers would have us believe, and certainly is not less loving than the rest of us sinners. He’s helped, informed and led many people to Christ and to His holy Church, and in doing so has taught no heresy or doctrinal errors (which would entirely deserve criticism and harsh rebuke). That’s why he has people vouching for him. He’s no saint, but reading the lives of historical saints like Nectarios of Aegina really puts into perspective how a good man can be so slandered and ignorantly misunderstood, even by those in his own community.
Very good and useful interview and Jay Dyer was very clear and knowledgeable about this topic. Compliments to both of you for making this video. I hope there will be more where this comes from. As a Orthodox Christian I am learning a lot from your channels. God bless you both
Saint Cyril of Alexandria explicitly rejected an essence-energies distinction: For if one is not too poorly endowed with the decency which befits wise men, one will say that the divine being is properly and primarily simple and incomposite; one will not, dear friend, venture to think that it is composed out of nature and energy, as though, in the case of the divine, these are naturally other; one will believe that it exists as entirely one thing with all that it substantially possesses.
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It would be cool if you could pull an interview with Jonathan Pageau. He's a convert from protestantism (I think he was baptist) to Eastern Orthodoxy.
He's on my hopeful list!
I believe he was raised a Catholic, French Canadian from Quebec
@@GospelSimplicity Jonathan and Jay complement each other well.
They say Dyer can be real dickwad
@@panokostouros7609 The apostle to the gentiles and the apostle to the Jews )
This is amazing, great collaboration
Hope you enjoy it!
Can't believe R&T came in here virtue signaling, when Jay is obviously not debating, but presenting an Orthodox belief. Juvenile hypocrisy, pretty petty with your cancel culture aura. I for one am excited about this chat.
What did R and T say?
You can always tell who is on the losing side of the debate rather quickly in situations like this. It's easy to see that Jay's opponents here are not pointing out a heretical statement or doctrinal error but instead are trying to get him cancelled because he's one big meanie. Pathetic. Absolutely pathetic.
I mean, we don't try to get them cancelled because they're "mean".
I think you are conflating pointing out when someone behaves in a dreadful manner with wanting to get them canceled. Not the same thing.
Personally, as a former Orthodox now Catholic, I have zero desire to see Jay canceled. If anything, his behavior when in debate with the guys over at R&T will keep more people from becoming Orthodox than it will attract to Orthodoxy. My prayer is that he will learn from his actions and change. Well that, and give up the Miami Vice outfit he is wearing in his thumbnail. Both would be good things.
@@dboan6847 To be fair, your own apologists in various online venues are quite toxic including R&T.
In all fairness, we are attracted to Orthodoxy not because of laity but because of her teachings and beauty.
I left RCIA for Orthodoxy and haven't looked back.
@@dboan6847 As Maria said, we chose Orthodoxy because it is true. Jay had a big part in helping me distinguish between Orthodoxy and Catholicism, and I dig when he takes the gloves off at times and doesn't sugar coat things. Ybarra is dishonest, and Jay calls him out. Plain and simple
So, we have some Orthodox on here saying Jay got out of line, but doesn't normally act like that and we have others saying they love it when he acts like that and calling the other side a liar.
So, in other words it is GOARCH versus ROCOR.
LOL!
I have my problems with Jay, but the slander against him I see coming from Reason and Theology and its followers in the comments here are simply dishonest and manipulative. I pray you take these comments with a grain of salt instead of listening to them uncritically.
@@Erick_Ybarra ruclips.net/video/iJc4A5frwO4/видео.html
Indeed you can't, so why are you trying?
@Dustin Neely Indeed. I don't appreciate Jay's polemicism, but he's an honest polemicist.
Jay is always honest about his flaws. That’s more than I can say for most people.
@@Erick_Ybarra You've been refuted by Ubi Petrus. Just stop.
@@Erick_Ybarra Really? What about underhanded background actions that are the back story?
Another good interview and an interesting guest.
Thanks!
@@GospelSimplicity You’re welcome.
"Love across the lines." You're awesome and an inspiration to me.
Thanks!
@@GospelSimplicity I just have to thank you for your goodwill to have guests who are considered somewhat controversial. Listening to them is the only way to get out of the silos which we as Orthodox are all too prone to make in this country. On behalf of all the Orthodox people you are helping with this unifying work, THANK YOU! I would also like to second the request for an interview with Jonathan Pageau, and suggest Timothy Patitsas.
How does this all 'play' with regards to the 'Light workers' that have 'arrived'? Thanks in advance for your replies..
It's pre-recorded. The discussion already happened. It was perfectly friendly and civil. The idea that I am going to be "mean" to GS is silly.
And why would they assume otherwise?
@@mancipiachristi9032 Because I have dozens of debates and interviews that are perfectly civil and friendly with people from a wide variety of perspectives. So your contention about me is simply not true.
Thanks for providing this clarity. Hopefully temperatures will lower when everyone sees how calm and controversy free the interview actually is when it comes out
I have not doubt that this will be an informative and solid interview. All the anti Jay vitriol needs to come to an end. Slander is not becoming of Christians. Jay is honest and isn’t afraid to be honest. Both him and Austin put out great content and I’m excited to see this video they’ve put together!
Can't imagine why anyone would think otherwise. Oh, and I have a bridge in NYC to sell if anyone is ready to buy.
I think Jay Dyer might be aware of this himself but in his debates were he is ill mannered he usually is either correcting his opponent on a logical error or when his opponent insists on a logical error and he becomes angry. He is civil in all discussions I have seen and I have never seen him angry with arguments that don't possess logical errors even when he has a logical counter argument.
I’ve been a Evangelical Christian for 23 yrs and now I’m looking at Orthodoxy yr2023. Update 2024, was chrismated mid 2023, been in the Orthodox Church since, it’s amazing
If you haven't yet, i recommend going to your local parish to attend liturgy and speak to the priest, or call the priest before hand and have a conversation with him. Praying the Holy Spirit guides you.
I just went to my first liturgy today it was amazing
they often think like anti-catholic sectarian, so you will fell at ease...
@@jonahanderson9101 yes nothing compares
...joined 7 years ago.. also has orthodoxy in the signature.
Jay Dyer helped pull me out of Protestantism. Being catechized into the Orthodox Church with my wife in one month and my beautiful baby girl is being baptized On Holy Saturday! Thanks Jay
Welcome home
great
Blessings to you and your family 👍🏻😃
God bless you
Thank you to everyone for their blessings. Wishing many years to all of you as well🙏🏼. ☦️ And praying for a ripe harvest over these coming years as the western world sinks further into darkness
Jay Dyer is a brilliant mind! Truly one of the contemporary greats
Wow, gonna talk to the Dyerwave? Get ready for some deep discussion
Very glad to see Jay come on. He has been instrumental in my very stubborn and slow walk towards orthodoxy.
Hope you enjoy it!
This is an extremely relatable comment. I also hear your name in superchats on Jays livestreams, I hope all is well.
Man, I just spent half an hour or more reading the comments, and the video doesn't even air for ten days. :fire:
There’s plenty of material! And I think that’s with one person deleting a comment that had the longest thread
Hey Austin, when are you posting your "My journey home to Holy Orthodoxy" video? ;)
YEAH BOOOOOIIIIII!!! Austin, this is going to be straight fire 🔥 God bless you!
Hope you enjoy it!
@@GospelSimplicity I always do ❤️
Suh bru?!?!?!
@@isaiahkerstetter3142 Hahahaha dude, will I see you at church this weekend? Cheese fare!
@@IAMFISH92 I'll probably go up to Christ the Savior. I'll see you over zoom on "The Psychological Benefits of the Jesus Prayer" talk from Transfiguration and later the catechumen class though.
I am extremely happy to see Jay on your show, Austin. I have known Jay personally for quite some time and have always found him personable, gracious, and cordial. I also know Jay is highly passionate in his defense of the Faith and many people appreciate that - some can't take it.
I do not take sides easily, for example I consider a certain carrot topped "apologist" who is technically on our side as beyond mentally ill while I have friendly exchanges with Catholic and Protestant apologists who have reached out but continually harping on a single event in Jay's debate history after he publically apologized is, quite simply, being the Prodigal Son's older brother.
If the Reason and Theology crew are so concerned about you hosting Jay, I would assume it has to do with their pathetically low view counts due to their addiction to drama and largely underwhelming content. Who wants to tune in each night to hear yet another slow, bitter, and repetitive rant from Michael about his brief time in the Orthodox Church? Do you?
@OrthodoxyChloroQuine It would be an honor to go on Austin's show if he were to extend an invitation. If our content is great, it's because we our viewers are great. 😉
Who is the carrot top?
Yes it would be absolutely epic if GS had Ubi on!
I don't think the guys from R&T have a pathetic low count in their videos. In fact, they reached 10k subscribers and were strongly recommended by Matt Frad, which certainly will give them a few thousand more of subscribers. I know that you don't like them, but as far as the channel, I suscribed when they had only 1k subscribers and 1 year later they have 10x more.
@@HosannaInExcelsis Since when is the number of subscribers the same thing as the view count?
Wow. Reason and theology literally trying to cancel Jay. Gross.
Jay was a massive factor in my conversion from Protestantism to Holy Orthodoxy. SUPER glad you gave him a chance, rather than caving to pressure from others who have a personal axe to grind
Their last resort.
Ubi Petrus wrecks shop on those guys! The scholarly beat down is hilarious.
That’s when you know you won the debate and they know it.
I guess I missed it all because i can't find their comments... Seems they deleted them sadly.
@@no_more_anymore mostly in replies to other comments
Austin, once I asked you to interview Fr. Spyridon Bailey. If you do this, please, would you consider to escape a little from this format to speak about the subject of his book "Orthodoxy and the Kingdom of Satan"? I think everybody will gain from it, really. Greetings from Brazil, greetings in Christ. Thank you!
P.S. You/we have much to learn with Jay. He is a great guy.
That’s a decent book, for sure. It’s a good entry level into the world of the diabolical. I like that he sort of picked up where Fr. Seraphim left off.
Brazlilian Orthodox? Based.
@@icxcnika3429 I myself am not Orthodox, but I've been flirting with it a little too much. If there were (was? sorry by my English) an Orthodox church in my city with a Fr. Peter Heers in it, I would probably be an Orthodox today. :^)
But, yes, we have some Orthodox churches here.
@@vincitomniaveritas8491 your grammar was spot on👌🏻
I have Fiddler on the Roof to thank for remembering IF...WERE
“IF I WERE a rich man, dadadadadadadadadadadadadada...”
@@mamafortuin Thank you, Lorinda. :°)
I always get myself lost between "was" and "were".
Just wanted to say I owe my conversion to Orthodoxy to Jay debating Fuentes and Ybarra over the summer during 2019. Since then I’ve consistently listened to his content and it’s a rare occasion when he turns into the big meanie R&T whine about. That’s all.
me too.
@@drjanitor3747 oh wow more passive aggressive intellectual cowardice. your nonsense won't be tolerated here simonist.
@@drjanitor3747 the diamond brothers can’t even support their own sedevacantist position, let alone “destroy” anyone else’s. How many chapels and priests do they have across America and Canada? Oh wait, sorry, that’s CMRI.
@@drjanitor3747 Palamite heresy? explain this then
www.catholic.org/saints/saint.php?saint_id=1001
it really is inconsistent and all your personal rage does not change how Rome holds two contradictory positions at once.
@@drjanitor3747 I fully agree on your assessment of the post Vatican 2 teachings (cradle RC myself btw). For me, this calls into question the ex cathedra infallibility of the Pope. According to my albeit limited understanding, the doctrine of infallibility if true should not allow for what is apparent today.
However with that said it is a dangerous thing to expect to be in possession of a ready explanation every last element of the faith. It is unwise to rule out faith statements as these are the equal of knowledge, the compliment of knowledge. So proper doctrine need not devolve into a game of "theology trivia" or some petty contest of "throwing" quotes at one another.
With that in mind, why are you sedevacantist? what is the sedevacantist position on this?
Props to you Austin for being willing and open to have a conversation. It’s sad to see your guest being condemned as toxic when anyone familiar with your program knows your interviews are always edifying. I’m curious what YOU thought about your convo with Jay. I for one am looking forward to it.
I thought it was really quite fun and free from controversy. Honestly, it’s a lot like all my other videos. We just sat down and had a nice chat about theology
@@GospelSimplicity glory to God 🙏🏻
I feel like you're so congenial and neutral as an interviewer that it would be difficult to "get into a row" with you. It's like someone picking a fight with Barbara Walters 😂 ain't happening, 99.9 percent of the time. Too civil. Too self-controled. Too polite. Although, as you begin to grow in your knowledge of the ancient Eastern and Western churches, I'm hopeful that you'll be able to provide more pressing questions. Or maybe, you already are, but doing so "off the record". I know that isn't really your content. Nonetheless, happy to enjoy the ride! God bless your efforts.
@@e.a.c.2175 haha, fair point. I think I can probably be accommodating to a fault with my guests. At some point I’ll probably need to learn the art of pressing in charitably
@@GospelSimplicity just want to say that you handled the "controversy" here very well. thx.
Comments are shambles and people are acting like their opinions on Austin’s channel are law, so here’s my 2c: Jay was instrumental in my catechisical process and brought a lot of grace and clarity where I was confused, I thank God for him. Looking forward to the 25th.
Jay is full of so much information it's crazy and he really gets you thinking on a lot of subjects, this coming from a Protestant looking east.
He's like a walking interactive in-depth Catechism. Lol
Christopher Jordan, come on over!
@@drjanitor3747 I don’t know why you keep posting this stuff on everyone’s comments. The Roman Catholic Church still believes and teaches that the Orthodox have the real presence in the Eucharist and that they can get to heaven. Orthodox on the other hand don’t necessarily believe the same about the RCs.
@@drjanitor3747 how on Earth is that irrelevant? If our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ allows himself to be physically present in the Orthodox Eucharist then it can not be a false religion. If it was false it also would be a false Eucharist.
The Catholic Church and the Pope seem to think everyone is going to heaven these days anyway so why worry yourself?
If you disagree with what your infallible Pope is currently teaching then why not show love and kindness and genuine concern in your comments on every Orthodox post here instead of coming across as nasty, better than everyone else and telling us all we’re going to hell?
I should also mention the Catholics hold Protestant and Orthodox baptisms as perfectly valid also.
First time I watched Jay Dreyer when he had a debate with Shabir Ally, since than I’m big fan of Jay, I was really impressed of Jays knowledge, and obviously Shabir lost that debate and Jay won.
God bless Jay and may the Lord continue use him for his glory 🙏❤️
God bless you Jamal!
Have you convert brother
❤️
Protestant in teens and early 20s, left for paganism because of issues I saw with teachings contradicting the Bible and other issues. Became Orthodox after attending liturgies and going to enquirer's classes and Catechumen classes.
Cheers from Bangor Maine. I fully converted to Orthodox Christianity around October of last year. I spent about 2 years as an Orthodox catechuman before that. I attend a small Orthodox mission in my local area. I lived as a transexual for over a decade before I came to Orthodoxy.
Glory to God! ☦
Glory to God!
Glory to God!
First Dr. Brandshaw now Jay Dyer with the core doctrine of uncreated energies and theosis.. Two treasures only in Orthodox Church found... God bless you bro... You don't need anything else, these doctrines summarize the whole Christian salvation...
As a Catholic this behavior I'm reading in this comment section is unbecoming of Christians and is nothing but pride and ego. Check yourselves and repent. I'm so sick and tired of coming online and just seeing waves of hate thrown towards Catholics from Protestants, to Jay Dyer from a lot of Catholics, everything. I don't really care if Jay is "toxic," but even if in the past he has been toxic, that doesn't give you a right to come onto someone else's channel and attempt to police what content they do or do not post. If you don't like Jay or what he's saying, don't watch his videos. This behavior is unbecoming of what Christ called us to do and its aggravating as hell to read on a constant basis.
Your words are humble and refreshing, like Austin. Thank you from an Orthodox friend.
Thank you. To your post I say amen and amen, and I strongly suggest to any Orthodox brethren who finds themselves on neutral channels, should put a guard on their mouths and exhibit charity towards Protestant and RCC folks.
As for deplatforming behavior, let it never be found among our number.
Jay led me to Orthodoxy, glory to God!
Dude I'm so excited you actually reached out to Jay. I'm looking forward to the discussion, he's a wealth of knowledge and has a unique take versus most others out there. BTW, congrats on the engagement! God bless!
Thanks!
Found Jay 3 years ago and he pretty much helped convert me to Orthodoxy from mega church Protestantism as well as a few others at the parish I’m at. Will be baptized God willing during Lazarus Saturday this lent.
Many years! ☦️
God grant you many years! 🙏❤️☦️
@Alex P We have a similar story re: Jay, and I too am soon to be baptised. Many years!
@@RealDukeOfEarl many years, brother! ☦️
@@IAMFISH92 thank you Brother. I was received into the church by Baptism today. Glory to God!
Excited. Controversy aside Jay is clever and doesn't pull punches. Not sure what the other guys are saying on here, but I say let the noise just be noise.
Hopefully the controversy will die down once people actually see the video
Nice to see you two connect 🙏🏻☦️
This is a day of many CROSS-overs, amirite?
Get it? Because you had DPH on today? Epic, you love to see it.
@@СаваСтанковић-с7к Technically yesterday but that depends on time zone 😁💪🏼☦️
@@brotheraugustine Yes, I'd only considered that after having written the comment, as it was about noon in Serbia.
But there is a very high probability that it was daytime in your Patriarchate's HQ. See, Holy Orthodoxy has an answer for everything!
Keep up the good work, brother!
@@СаваСтанковић-с7к 🙏🏻
Also, this was excellent. Great job Jay and Austin
Cue the Dyerwave. Don't take the criticisms of those in the comment section at face value, they are made in bad faith.
This was excellent. As ever Jay does a terrific job of explaining Orthodox theology in a way the average Christian can understand. Thanks for having him on ☦️
My pleasure!
Wow R&T really here trying to guilt trip and pressure Austin into canceling the premiere.
What's going on? could you explain. have they (R&T) done something to GS's show?
Yeah, where is that?
@@HosannaInExcelsis reason and theology deleted their comments, the drama is a week old
@@metanoiaconfessor7683 but I could see some comments in one of the replies. So, now I understand the issue.
@@iteadthomam yeah I wanna know too
St. Nicholas out here giving Arius the right hook and y'all are worried about Jay being "mean". Thank you for standing with Truth Jay, I would be worried if you weren't seen as "controversial" by the world. Bless you Austin for bringing these wonderful discussions to light.
Love this comment 👊🏼
This made me laugh out loud 🤣 I hope I didn't wake up my kids!
I wish people would stop looking to that example as being something we should follow. Read the rest of the story. St Nicholas was stripped of vestments, thrown in a cell, and kicked out of the council. He was repenting the entire night when Christ and the Theotokos appeared to him and returned his vestments to him AFTER his repentance.
RIGHT?!
@@ryanbutela stop being a soy boy. There are old depictions of him decking arius, even the ancient church was on his side
P L Z 🙏🏻☦️
B E G U M 🙏🏻☦️
O R T H O D O X 🙏🏻☦️
Very happy for you having Jay on. I was raised secular and Jay led me to orthodox Christianity
Same
Same. God worked in other ways too but definitely through Jay
Same
Thanks
@@drjanitor3747 what are you talking about bro lol I would bet you the dude will be Ortho for the rest of his life
Finally! I've been looking forward to a discussion between you two for so long now. Perfect topic as well! God bless!
Hope you enjoy it!
@@GospelSimplicity I had to do a double take when I saw the thumbnail at first, haha!
@@GospelSimplicity Oh, and congrats on the engagement! May God grant you both many blessed years!
Jay has been integral in my understanding of much of our faith. The Holy Spirit is at work in this man- thankful for a modern champion of Orthodoxy.
Very excited for this interview.
Hope you enjoy it!
@@drjanitor3747 at least we don't have pagan idols like the Vatican, clown mass, satanic Pope :)
ouch
I find it very strange Jay won't have kids with his wife. He's trying to encourage the "Christian family" path yet he seems more concerned with building his online persona. I can't take these guys seriously who push Christianity and tell me about the "sins" of fornication when they themselves aren't starting families either.
@@manager4409 He’s spoken about this before explicitly- they physically aren’t able to have children.
Really excited for this interview. Always great interviews on this channel, and Jay is one of the most articulate Orthodox apologists out there. Should be a fascinating discussion - I expect the haters are upset because if Dyer has a civil discussion with someone holding different beliefs, it'll blow a hole in their narrative.
"Holes in the narrative" is patented for Quran. And Islam. #Justkidding
@@msmutola682 the standard narrative, has HOLES in it.
Oh that’s a point.
Probably my favorite scripture on Theosis is 2 Peter 1:3-4, below:
"As His divine power has given to us all things that pertain to life and godliness, through the knowledge of Him who called us by glory and virtue, by which have been given to us exceedingly great and precious promises, that through these you may be partakers of the divine nature, having escaped the corruption that is in the world through lust."
I love Jay Dyer!! Awesome video! 👏🏻 He helped lead me from Reformed Calvinist to Orthodoxy! ☦️ Thankful for yours and his channel!
204 likes, and it starts in 11 days from now. Can't wait!
This cancel culture is a tragedy by the way. A truth is independent of the person who holds it. Therefore, to argue that we shouldn't have someone speak because he's "mean" is, at least, naive.
I’ve seen your videos pop up in my feed, after this I might jut give you a sub! Jay rocks!
Thanks!
Amazing that you will have Jay Dyer on!
Thanks Jay. Would have never went back to Christianity if not for your work.
Austin, thank you very much for hosting Jay on your channel as well as all other guests regarding Christianity. I enjoy all of your content. Thanks again, and God bless you.
My pleasure!
As said by others, this conversation was extremely informative, even for an Orthodox. Will rewatch.
Glad to hear that!
All this Orthodox content won you yet another sub! I am extremely interested in Orthodoxy.
I really like the diversity of speakers you have.
Thanks!
@@GospelSimplicity Thank YOU!
Fantastic discussion, Jay, you were very kind to answer several Biblical questions I had last year on Twitter, and I always appreciate and enjoy your work. You humble many of us cradle Orthodox with your work, and that coming from a Sunday school teacher! God Bless ☦️
I'm converting to orthodoxy from sedevacantism. Jay has been a huge help.
Yikes
“Basically the seat hasn’t been vacant since the 60’s, it’s been vacant since the 11th century.”
@@Daniel_Abraham1099 it’s been a MASSIVE yikes. Between the decretals, the donation, the many times there’s been multiple popes, the very odd apparent historical fact that the Avignon papacy was actually the legitimate one. The idea that salvation is based on believing in a physical man existing in Rome, while Peter’s see was Antioch. The denial of communion to children and the Frankish blood cult idea of the chalice of Christ being TOO holy for the laity and permitted for the priest alone.
Like, it’s been NUTS. It was so shocking and so painful that I had to take two months off of studying; I felt so betrayed and disgusted by the blatant spiritual abuses of the papacy.
@@Val.Kyrie. yikes as in you actually thought at one point sedevacantism was a tenable position. which is no wonder why you have accepted the eastern position. You have decided to be your own pope that thinks they can "study" and determine truth based off personal fallible interpretation. You declared fallibly that the popes after the 1960s were invalid as a sede and now you have found a group of fallible churches that are in schism with each other, that you agree with. The simple fact is you can never have a definitive answer because you can never locate which autocephalous church is the true church with the present schism. Whatever fits your your personal Fallible preference i guess....
@@Daniel_Abraham1099 yikes you actually think Roman Catholicism is a tenable position
I can imagine that dealing with these comments pretty much showed you a pre-taste of hell 😂. You are right to summon any guest and teach everyone else here the true meaning of dialog and humility. May your conversation be fruitful.
Haha, thanks Milos!
I don't feel Jay Dyer should at all be seen as contraversial as your into implies. He has incredibly patient conversations with anyone from any background. The discussions people criticize are in cases when those he interact with are being ingenuous or attacking him. He doesn't even react in a rude way unless provoked.
Thanks for having Jay on. Jay calls it like he sees it and is responsible for bringing many skeptics to Christ and Christians to Orthodoxy. The Truth will set you free.☦️
First saw Jay when he beat up on this weird French Canadian guy named JF in a debate on Andy Warski's (now banned) channel. Smart guy. He's also pretty good at impressions.
The moment you see that Jay has even more books on his desk than on the shelves lol
This is what my husband and I have been studying for a while now.
Hopefully this video is helpful for you!
@@GospelSimplicity I have a sneaking suspicion that it will be. Thank you for taking on these topics. It is very much appreciated.
Wholesome
“American Protestantism is an Atheism Factory”
~Jay Dyer
For all of Jay Dyer's supposed meanness, I notice it's only one side trying to cancel other people out. It comes off as underhanded and desperate by R&T.
Jay did a great job at extending his brotherly love to all who are not Eastern Orthodox. Keep going Jay.
Yesterday was the service of Forgiveness Vespers which is the official kick-off of Lent in the Orthodox Church. In the Rite of Forgiveness every person in church asks for forgiveness from every other person in church by bowing or making a full prostration before the other and saying, “Forgive me a sinner” with the response being, “God forgives and so do I.” It is an incredibly moving tradition that gets everyone on the right footing to enter this penitential season.
You know what would be a beautiful sight? If Jay and Michael and Erick of RT said those words to each other.
Idk, maybe Austin can host them on GS so they can wipe the slate clean and start fresh?
Wow, that would be beautiful
@@GospelSimplicity perhaps you can gently nudge them to do this with that winsome way you have. I’ll be praying for this. 🥰🙏☦️
Thanks for having Jay on. His work was a major help in bringing me back to Christ.
Ahhhh yeah. This is gonna be 🔥.
@O K Beat you to the punch. See my comment above 😏
@@IAMFISH92 Lol, I saw it a few minutes after posting mine. 😒😂
@@TheRealRealOK haha I’ll give it to you. God bless you, brother. Hope all is well for you and yours. ☦️
@@IAMFISH92 Thanks, man. Hope all is well with you too. 🙏
I think I remember seeing a comment of yours on Bobbys Perspective's channel about Orthodox Christianity being the best theological position. Can you explain to me why? I am genuinely curious.
The problem with Jay Dyer is that he's the guy nobody likes, who's right. You Can't really argue with him because you agree with him. But he has a bad attitude about it
This must be awful on your nerves, you people pleaser, you. 😂 Lord have mercy ☦️. I think it's pretty silly how these people constantly bash Jay. Can he have a tendency to get irritable in his words? Sure. We all can.
Haha, yesterday was not the day I expected, but some exceedingly kind RUclipsrs reached out and helped me navigate it
Austin, you are about as noble as they come. Really looking forward to this. I feel like Dyer's content is like a wind tunnel or a blast furnace; not really what the average cottage industry folks are looking for, but indispensable when you need it.
Thanks Jared
Thanks Austin your work has greatly helped me in rediscovering my faith.
Thanks for inviting Jay to talk with you. Judging by this comment section this is gonna be soo spicy. I have bern inquiring both into Roman Catholicism and Eastern Orthodoxy for a while so it will be great
Congratulations on your engagement
Many years
I think Gospel Simplicity is one of the nicest christian youtubers out there!
Thanks!
☦
Hi Austin, I noticed in one of the comments you said that the apparent lack in Orthodox missions was an issue for you. This is likely because the Orthodox Church sees its existence in the West as a mission field. In addition, many of the post communist “Orthodox countries” are also mission fields seeing a massive turning back to the Church. The Church is really taking off in Africa, particularly east Africa, the Congo (link to docco at the end), Nigeria and South Africa. There are missions spreading in China, Thailand, Indonesia, the Philippines, Pakistan and Korea (north and south). The mission in Japan is over 100 years old and well established, look up Saint Nicholas of Japan. My diocese (New Zealand) runs a mission in the Pacific, particularly Fiji, Samoa and Tonga. The Church is growing via conversion in Europe, particularly France, Italy, the UK, Germany and Poland.
I hope you enjoy this documentary about the Pascha feast during political unrest in Congo. m.ruclips.net/video/JY3N_wf28UI/видео.html
Well said, brother!
I would second this Austin!!
I’m a Protestant and I do appreciate the point you’re making. America is a MASSIVE mission field.
It's important to note that for the Orthodox Church, neither worship or "spreading the good news" is seen as the purpose of being a Christian. That leads to different priorities.
This stuff definitely goes far beyond the modern christian's idea of simplicity. That's a good thing.
ΘΕΩΣΗ ΘΕΑΝΘΡΩΠΟΣ. Being Saint, being holy, being Godhuman. A very difficult road and only way to save your soul! This is the core of Orthodoxy!!
Found out about Jay, a while back, when he was supposed to have a debate with InspirigPhilosophy, became a fan since the first video I've seen of him.
Nice!
Let's Gooooo.
Hope you enjoy it!
Austin! Your channel is amazing. I was scrolling through your content and it is absolutely top notch! Congratulations and I’m very happy you have so much orthodox content that’s very substantial!
Thanks!
*No toxicity detected*
Can't wait! Wonderful!
Hope you enjoy it!
@@GospelSimplicity Your videos and Jay's contributed much in my path to becoming orthodox. (As a former protestant)
This was a fantastic interview Austin. Thank you for setting it up and following through with it despite the undeserved (imo) pushback
Thanks!
Jay is incredible
Austin, in the past you said you wouldn’t do this interview, but you eventually did. That’s growth.
I was challenged by the idea that if I'm going to talk about loving across the lines, then I need to actually do it. It might be growth, it might be foolishness. I suppose we shall see
@@GospelSimplicity Learning from one’s own foolishness is also growth. I know this because I was the fool who said in his heart “there is no God.”
Oy. I made the mistake of trying to read the live chat while listening to the video. Now I have a crazy headache. Thanks though, Austin. I will watch this again with the chat turned off.
Haha, if you actually want to understand the video, I highly recommend turning chat off
This has got to be a RUclips record for most comments on a premier video.
Still holding out hope he's gunna tell me where the Reality Stone is.
Haha, plot twist: 500+ comments before the premiere. No one comes to watch when it comes out😂
If I could insert a Thanos GIF I would
Please go through to showing the premiere despite negative comments. I for one am really looking forward to it!!
After discussing with Patrons and other RUclipsrs I really respect, including some Jay has voiced disagreement with, I’ve decided to go forward with the interview.
@@GospelSimplicity Great Success!
jay dyer?!?!?! HELLO BASED DEPARTMENT
500+ comments before the show even starts.
Crazy
This will be good. Jay is solid.
Jay is a threat to a lot of people, because facts are facts, and if they're not on your side ......?
You ask a good question that I've been pondering myself about the approach to theology in the East versus the West and whether it can be called "systematic." If the definition is simply that there is coherence, then I think you could call Eastern theology systematic. I think the difference is that there is far less speculative theology in the East. The principles that we start with are fewer and much more fundamental, and there is an organic realization of them, rather than the innovation you see in the West beginning in the High Middle Ages. Orthodox theology is clarified over time, but it does not develop. I think Western theology can be said to develop, or even innovate, over time.
Well said!
Two of my favorites, Jay and Austin. Austin, Craig Truglia of Orthodox Christian Theology would be a great guest as well.
Thanks for the recommendation and kind words
So happy to see Jay on this show. His work was instrumental in leading me and y husband to Orthodoxy. 🙏
Excellent interview and so much food for thought. I definitely did have to pause the video to let some things sink in. And, I ordered “Byzantine Theology”. So this was very insightful and beneficial. Thanks!
Hey Austin. I don’t know why you’ve decided that the version of events you’ve got from the R&T crowd is the complete truth, rather than idk listening to the other side? I don’t think you should let yourself be bullied into calling Jay toxic if you haven’t even talked to him about these things
Where has Austin called Jay toxic?
@@mamafortuin he didn’t directly call him toxic. But by justifying the interview on the basis of ‘ignoring the toxicity’ and ‘loving across the lines’ he’s basically admitting implicitly that the allegations are true. Rather than say, not giving the allegations any legitimacy and holding off on makings such a judgement until he knew the full story
@@nicodemussmith He hasn´t any problem with Eastern Ortodhoxy, but Jay has been disrespectfull, there you have the interview. It has no value to have theological knowledge if you don´t have love, that´s all it matters, and sadly jay seems reluctant to love R&T in that debate with Erick Ybarra.
@@nicodemussmith, I appreciate Jay’s work, but his occasional cantankerous and abrasive behavior scandalizes people and it frustrates me how his disagreeable nature is an obstacle to the message he conveys.
Rather than tell people to stop being such babies and suck it up, I wish he’d instead exercise patience with those whom he disagrees and bite his tongue sometimes. That’s all.
@@mamafortuin He exercises incredible patience 99% of the time, what are you talking about? Have you seen any of his debates and discussions? Particularly in his debates (which is where these allegations of “toxicity” are concentrated), he demonstrates great patience with people who don’t exactly show themselves to be deserving of it. Imagine playing a sport or a game with someone who repeatedly breaks all the rules and cheats and ignores you every time you try to correct or rebuke them-that’s what Jay often has to deal with when debating people who disregard the formal rules of a debate and refuse to interact with him in the proper fashion. I’m not saying he’s perfect, nor am I saying that he never exercised a sense of humour that some may find offensive. But I am saying that Jay is by no means “toxic” or “uncharitable” in the sense that some slanderers would have us believe, and certainly is not less loving than the rest of us sinners. He’s helped, informed and led many people to Christ and to His holy Church, and in doing so has taught no heresy or doctrinal errors (which would entirely deserve criticism and harsh rebuke). That’s why he has people vouching for him. He’s no saint, but reading the lives of historical saints like Nectarios of Aegina really puts into perspective how a good man can be so slandered and ignorantly misunderstood, even by those in his own community.
Very good and useful interview and Jay Dyer was very clear and knowledgeable about this topic. Compliments to both of you for making this video. I hope there will be more where this comes from. As a Orthodox Christian I am learning a lot from your channels. God bless you both
Glad you enjoyed it!
You should have Jonathan Pageau on!
He would be an excellent guest.
Hoping to!
Thank you, Austin!
Thank you for being brave and wise!
My pleasure
Im a Protestant and I completely agree with the orthodox view of the theophanies
Thanks for sharing!
Saint Cyril of Alexandria explicitly rejected an essence-energies distinction:
For if one is not too poorly endowed with the decency which befits wise men, one will say that the divine being is properly and primarily simple and incomposite; one will not, dear friend, venture to think that it is composed out of nature and energy, as though, in the case of the divine, these are naturally other; one will believe that it exists as entirely one thing with all that it substantially possesses.