Orthodoxy, The Early Church, and Second Temple Judaism (w/ Fr. Stephen De Young)
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Most Christians I know want to, in some way at least, model their faith off the faith of the Early Church. The problem, we struggle to get clarity on what exactly that means and would look like in real life. Something that exacerbates this problem is that many of us are unfamiliar with Second Temple Judaism; that is, we don't know much about the world from which the Early Church emerged. In this video, I sit down with the Reverend Dr. Stephen De Young to discuss his new book, The Religion of the Apostles, and explore the world of Second Temple Judaism, the Early Church, and why he thinks that Orthodox Christianity represents the fullness of the Christian faith.
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I would recommend the book Surprised by Christ, by Father James Bernstein. He is an orrhodox priest who was born and raised in a jewish family. Has a thorough, first hand, understanding of the Church continuity, Old and New Testaments
Yeshua said call no man rabbi and if the spirit is with you, you need no man to teach you. So why call a total stranger "father"?!
Hy Austin, could you please link me some materials regarding Yahweh and the plural of persons? Thank you so much.
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To clarify Jesus never followed the religion of Judaism. The problem is is that people or confusing levitical ISM with the Pharisee religion. They are two different sects. Mary the mother of God for example from 3 years old was in the levitical temple she had nothing to do with the Pharisees. Likewise John the Baptist his father was a levitical priests he also had nothing to do with the Pharisees. If they had it would be just like sacrilege the same way the Orthodox view the Protestants as Heretics. Have we forgotten how much the Pharisee sadducee and levite priest fought amongst themselves in Scripture? Have we forgotten that one is the law of Moses and the other one is the tradition of men as Jesus plainly explained in Scripture?
I've been listening to a lot of these interviews about the Orthodox Church and I am really loving everything they are saying. I even visited a local Greek Orthodox Church and I am considering joining their church.
My whole room lit up when I read your comment. Oh the joy! I literally can't contain my excitement! My father (Greek orthodox priest) uses to say:"orthodoxy is not religion, it's experience/adventure"! I wish for you to have an exciting journey! ☦❤ God bless you and your family and friends!
@@kaykyrina thank you for your kind words and prayers. I am on a journey and in prayer for God to guide me. I have already made friends by some great people there and they have welcomed me with open arms. I have been reading Orthodox scholars and recently got an Orthodox Study Bible. I am learning so much that I didn't know as a Protestant. Orthodox theology is rich and deep.
@@andys3035 how is it rich and deep? can you offer any advice on how to become a Christian?
Hey John, my advice for you is to find a local orthodox church and send the priest an email saying you're interested in becoming a Christian and he will help you start
Hallelujah! Welcome!
Born a Protestant, I've lost family members, gotten married, given birth, and gone through life events with very little ritual. My dad died when I was 13 and I somehow thought we would go to church that day. I barely got to see his body. There was no minister there. They took him off to be cremated. Then, my wedding wasn't in a real church, but a chapel. It was my choice, and we had a minister from my church, and I made up my own service, and I included communion even though that wasn't typical in a Baptist wedding. Once we had kids, I wanted that recognized by the church somehow. I wanted to present my son in the "temple." We did a dedication 6 months later with about 20 other families. Once I found Orthodoxy, I realized it has all these recognitions of these life events are built in. Even moving into a new house, you call the priest to bless it.
Bring my soul out of prison that I may give thanks unto thy name
Yes! Even if I get really sick, I find comfort in knowing that the priest would come to my side to pray for me.
Not just a new house! The priest blessed your house every year between Theophany and Great Lent. Of course not everyone avails themselves of this great blessing, but it's available nonetheless. I grew up American Baptist and I was baptized into the Orthodox Church three years ago - I don't regret how I was raised, but every day is filled with wonder now in a way that helps me repent, at least I hope so.
As a convert to the Orthodox Church, I must say this was the most interesting explanation I have heard about the Early Church and Religion of the Apostles. One of the main reasons I felt called to the Orthodox Church, was because of the richness and beauty which seems to be cherished and protected enough not to become watered down. My heart had a strong desire to return to roots, to the Apostles and Jesus and I see this in the Orthodox Church. This session with Fr Stephen has confirmed my calling! The Didache is another book I have enjoyed. Thankyou and God bless.....
Glad you enjoyed this so much!
@@GospelSimplicity love ya bro
My late Dad was a Sikh. Was baptized Christian Orthodox back in 1981, when he married my late Mum. He didn't really go to church or had much to do with Christianity till the latter years of his life, when he struggled with health issues. His favourite Saint was Saint George and he often requested we visited a chapel of the Saint. He received the Holly Communion for probably first and last time in his life and passed away a few months later.
I left behind Protestantism for Orthodoxy. It’s truly the fullness of the Christian faith.
Fr Steven is such an amazing teacher, and truly helped me find my at home to the Greek Orthodox Church. I am convinced Orthodoxy is the best kept secret in America. I pray it spreads like wildfire across this nation. It is the most beautiful worship and liturgy I have ever experienced, and I’m so grateful to be beginning the process of joining the church in three days!
Austin’s channel has been instrumental in me understanding Orthodoxy, and now that I’m wanting to join he keeps having on all these heavy hitters who I have a context to appreciate now. Great stuff.
I don't get it, but I just hope you're not making a mistake! I'm a new believer, within the last two years. I was raised and formerly mormon... So I hope you can understand how I might be very skeptical of churches claiming to be the One True Church! Doing my investigations and prayer still. God bless you bro! I hope you're on the right track!
@@evenruderanger7617 there’s a huge difference. The orthodox claim reaches back to the apostles by apostolic succession. While Mormonism traces back to Joseph smith… no comparison. Also, Mormonism teaches that the true faith was lost and needed to be restored, while Orthodoxy claims that the gates of hell can never prevail against the church, and the true faith has been preserved in perfect purity since the time of the apostles.
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@@evenruderanger7617 I’m a former Mormon too as of 3 years ago and new Orthodox Christian as of 4 months ago. I too had some of the same concerns that you on especially churches claiming to be “The One True Church”. After asking a lot of questions to evangelicals, Catholic and Orthodox priests and then doing some heavy research I was moved to become Orthodox. I feel that my soul is at rest now being Orthodox after 3 years of wandering in a sort of wilderness. I would recommend finding a local parish and both speaking to a priest and attending a Divine Liturgy. Don’t be afraid to ask questions. Unlike the Mormon church they have nothing to hide.
@@evenruderanger7617 My husband is former Mormon now Orthodox. There is no similarity between the two.
Protestant reformer all my life, 4 the time visiting Orthodox Church as of last weekend. but this time was with my whole family
Austin, the book idea you were talking about called "The Myth of Neutrality" already exists: it's called "Everywhere Present: Christianity in a One-storey Universe" by Fr. Stephen Freeman who is also an Orthodox priest. He does interviews fairly often and I think having him on the show would be great.
^ Yes, please!
Yes, but the book he was _actually_ talking about already exists: *The Myth of Religious Neutrality* by Roy A. Clouser originally published in 1991.
But, yes, Stephen Freeman is a pretty cool dude, too. He has some amazing posts on Ancient Faith
Fr. Stephen Freeman is amazing and deserving of far more recognition than he gets.
Thanks for the recommendation!
He’s my priest, and yes: he’d be more than willing to talk. Definitely an extremely intelligent and wise individual.
This is absolutely one of the most interesting conversations about the origins of Christianity I have ever listened to. Thanks!
Wow! I'm delighted to hear that!
You gotta listen to his Lord Of Spirits podcast, it's mind blowing.
This is gonna be great, really looking forward to it ☦️
Ayyeeee
Based.
Can't wait to see the face of Fr Stephen when he giggles 🤭 one could only imagine while listening to Lord of Spirits Podcast, but now...
That's true! Now you get to see his expressions as he talks
An analogy I use to describe Orthodoxy versus other denominations is a fine brandy. A brandy that took time to develop and perfect, that only can be enjoyed from its consumption. Now many people may order that brandy. Some will add and dilute it with water. Others may add a juice. Some will even throw a can of Coca Cola in, leaving it unrecognizable. Regardless of which variant, they all still have traces of that original brandy within them. Then there are those that will simply sip it slowly, straight... unchanged, uncorrupted, and enjoy its full essence and bouquet… exactly the way its creator intended.
Interesting analogy!
Baptized Lutheran here....I have no background with Liturgy, ritual or anything to do with the early church or Protestant theology either. So your analogy is hilarious 😆 because as I've become less nominal and taking faith seriously, I've come across what the vast differences are and oddly, I seem to gravitate toward Orthodoxy, non denominal, Messianic Judaism (followers of YESHUA) and some catholic thinking. I'm very interested in learning Greek, Hebrew, Latin and listening to the history of the church and outside of the church from the Near East from different perspectives. Thanks for laugh, God Bless 🙏
@@jasonlambert2226 If there is one thing that is sad it is the shallowness of your reply and the condescending, disrespectful nature with which you approach that which is Divine; as no follower of Christ Yeshua would ever post such a reply. Perhaps you should read about His walk upon the earth, as He lived every word that was ever spoken from His mouth, and mimic that. I hope you find your way...... Godspeed.
That's wrong analogy, correct analogy would be something original and the rest are either split offs or those who speaks in its name, lookalikes and imposters
these protestant podcasts are the best recruiting tool ☦ has. my soul is feeling moved in that direction.
My Priest is on the board of Ancient Faith Radio. He is very excited about The Religion of the Apostles. I told him there is a hunger for books like this.
That's wonderful!
there really is a hunger for it, and not just for believing people but also for everyone who enjoys history, in particular religious history, since it shapes so much of a socoety's culture, laws, outlook, perspective, how business was done, how government operated, how households were managed, etc.
He is right, religion and politics were inexorably linked for millennia and their separation is a fairly recent invention, so we modern people don't really understand the integral nature of religion, regardless of what that religion is/was. It's like we're trained to disregard religious influence in history, and we really cannot look at that way if we really want to understand the people of the past and ourselves.
This is going to be good! ☦️🔥🔥🔥
This Catholic is a big fan of Father De Young.
You should definitely read his book that just came out, it’s very good!
@@mattbellacotti Father Damick keeps telling me the same thing. I told them that I am still waiting on my pre-ordered copy.
In all seriousness, his Whole Council podcast is the free audio version of the book.
@@mattbellacotti what book? Tnx.
@@petars4444 "The Religion of the Apostles"
@@ephesiansbrowne5982 I came here for the deep cuts, this did not disappoint :)
I'm almost an hour through and I've been loving it. Austin, you're amazing and Fr. De Young is awesome.
Glad you enjoy it!
One thumbs up doesn’t seem like enough. I love Fr. DeYoung and am very excited for this conversation!
Here is the Original Semitic Text. HERE is Our Savior
YaH The Heavenly FATHER HIMSELF was Who they Crucified for our sins and “HERE IS THE PROOF”
From the Ancient Semitic Scroll:
"Yad He Vav He" is what Moses wrote, when Moses asked YaH His Name (Exodus 3)
Ancient Semitic Direct Translation
Yad - "Behold The Hand"
He - "Behold the Breath"
Vav - "Behold The NAIL"
Thank you very much for talking with Presbyter Stephen about this topic! It is very dear to me and a delight that the Western world now has access to all of this precious material from the Ancient East. May the Lord reveal more material from Qumran and other sources in our lifetime!
God bless you!
I thoroughly enjoyed his book. The Podcast he does with Fr. Andrew, Lord of Spirits is one of my favourites. I have been listening to it at work. I really appreciate what I have learned from Fr. Stephen :D
Glad you enjoyed it!
Also I second the recommendation of his book "The Religion of the Apostles", it really helped take the way I think about the continuity from ancient Second Temple Judaism to Christianity to another level, great content
It also serves as an amazing Biblical apologetic tool for Orthodox
I honestly found much of the noted Jewish mythologies too distracting and adding confusion based on whether you want to take them literally or figuratively. I so badly wanted to like the book, but half of it just led me to thinking of how those mythologies are used for plot devices in shows like Supernatural instead of things with spiritual merit.
@OrthodoxyChloroQuine sure- that very much could be the case, that it's a me problem. In no way is it a knock against Orthodoxy. It's not like everything noted in the book has carried significant importance to the Orthodox faith. But some of my uncomfortability lies within that. Not everything in the book is easily verifiable, and given the cultus status of some of the fans to take everything that's written at face value in this book despite not being easily verifiable, gives me concern.
@OrthodoxyChloroQuine ok, if you say each thing that was stated was part of the Church's treasury on how to properly interpret, I'll take your word for it since I don't know enough to say it isn't. A bit of a deviation to get into Rome since I don't think it affects the topic on hand, but k..
@OrthodoxyChloroQuine ok, I think I see what you're saying. This book is only for those who already know everything within his book, therefore they don't need references for any of the info to validate every claim. So basically, I'm not in the demographic this book is geared towards. Gotcha
Stephen De Young is excellent, thank you and please have him on again
I'd love to!
Careful Austin, hanging around us so much is reeeealy catching ...
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Any conversation with Ft. Stephen De Young is always interesting. Thank you Austin for this. God Bless☦️.
Excellent choice! I highly recommend his book, “The Religion of the Apostles”.
Awesome!!! Really looking forward to this!
I just visited you on the fourth! This is Zoe. Hi Father Stephen! Loved your parish look forward to visiting again soon😊
Eagerly anticipating this discussion.
Thanks Austin. Been looking forward to this since you had Fr Trenham and Dr Heiser. Always great to see Fr De Young. God bless you both.
My pleasure!
Thank you for the excellent discourse. Great job 👏 … just got the book 📕, a Catholic friend 🥰
This has been another great learning experience... God's double blessings on you both and I thank God for your faithfulness. From a long time cradle Catholic.
Great conversation! My only issue was that it seemed to go by so quickly! Thanks for keeping these insightful and very informative interviews coming. They are a pleasure to listen to because they are always done so respectfully and you ask your guests the questions that I imagine many of your listeners would ask. For sure that is true for me.
I'm so glad you're enjoying them! Thanks for the encouragement!
As Fr. Stephen would say ".....yes." Have you listened to any of his podcasts?
I have! Lord of Spirits is how I was introduced to his work
@@GospelSimplicity The Whole Counsel of God podcast is a priceless resource of Fr. DeYoungs. Highly, highly recommend checking it out.
The Whole Council of God Blog/Podcast are well worth a listen as well.
Thanks for all you do! Always grateful for open and insightful conversation. Glory to God!
What interesting and substantive content! God bless you both. Thank you for sharing your insights with us. ☦️
Glad you enjoyed it!
A lot of sunday school teachings are gonna be destroyed!
Good 😎
Here is the Original Semitic Text. HERE is The Savior
YaH The Heavenly FATHER HIMSELF was Who they Crucified for our sins and “HERE IS THE PROOF”
From the Ancient Semitic Scroll:
"Yad He Vav He" is what Moses wrote, when Moses asked YaH His Name (Exodus 3)
Ancient Semitic Direct Translation
Yad - "Behold The Hand"
He - "Behold the Breath"
Vav - "Behold The NAIL"
If you remain a Protestant after all these talks and research then wow props to you lol
Thank you.
It's tricky. There are plenty of things I agree with in terms of Theology of Orthodoxy, and I'm really enjoying learning about it. But then when it comes to practice, I just don't see how attending an Orthodox liturgy would be any more beneficial to my growth as a Christian than attending a Protestant one.
There are also some practices I just didn't think I can ever agree with, such as icon veneration and deification of Mary.
I just don't see enough of a disparity or need to uproot from my home church and join a completely unfamiliar kind of church.
@@Marvel2328 you need to attend lithurgy a number of times before your mind quiets down enough for you to begin to get it
@@Marvel2328Well, nobody worships Mary as God, if that's what you mean. She had to be human for Christ to be the God-man. It makes no sense for any of the departed saints to be considered gods given what we remember them for (exemplary Christian lives).
I listen to Fr. Stephen's Whole Counsel of God podcast and The Lord of Spirits podcast and I bought this book. I recommend it to everyone who really wants to know what the early church believed and practiced. Thanks for this interview, Austin!
"The robes" of today's Orthodox Church that were mentioned as perhaps "looking different" than those of the time of the Apostles would actually, though not existent during the times of persecution of the early Church, be happily and amazedly recognized by the Apostles as very familiar to them owing to their Jewish roots.
Thanks a lot Austin. A very informative conversation 👌
Glad you enjoyed it!
I love this, thank you for organizing and sharing. IC XC NIKA
Thank you Austin and Father Steven!
Excellent conversation! Thank you!
Catholic here-much love to all my Orthodox brothers and sisters! And if we are to compare and discuss our similarities and differences, may we do it with humility, kindness and love. God Bless you all!
I’m looking forward to this 😁
Hope you enjoy it!
Can’t wait!
Dude, Fr Stephen joins us often over at The Remnant Radio. Way cool, I'm definitely gonna have to give this a listen.
Hope you enjoy it! Remnant Radio is a great show
Father Stephen's Book is Fantastic!!!
I saw in the stream someone asking about Western Rite Orthodoxy. Fr. Stephen is part of the Antiochian Archdiocese and they have Western Rite parishes. You can find that info on their website.
Thanks!
@@GospelSimplicity No problem. Folks can check out St. Patrick Orthodox Church in Virginia if they're interested. They have a RUclips channel and stream Lauds, Vespers, and the Mass regularly.
the areopagus strikes again :)
@@gregbg3200 You never know where we'll turn up...
Solid Gold! Thank you my friend.
Yes!!!! Love Fr. De Young.
The apostles *are being* Orthodox. Fr. Stephen will understand 😃
I see what you did there. ;-)
I’m a human *doing*
what a pious nonsense! They even didn't use such a term to themselves.
@@nicklausbrain did the apostles use the term Trinity? It is not about terms it is if they believe what terms mean when the where first ever used!
This episode is saved in favorites.
Glad to hear that!
I like that you take care regarding aesthetics and even crafted a unique, inviting setting
Can't wait!
I hope Dr. Michael Heiser's work makes it into the conversation. It seems like it should. I absolutely love Fr. DeYoung's new book. It's an instant classic.
If so, I hope only to put the smack down on him. He's a historian but poor philosophy makes him come up with bad assumptions
He did not come into this conversation
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What bad Assumptions?
@@goyonman9655 I've seen Heiser go after and attack the Orthodox position of the Eucharist and Oral Tradition with assumptions of what he thinks we mean vs what we actually mean, in an uncharitable way. He's so smug too.
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"Smug"?
I dislike smugness
I see that Father Young is also a great mind in the realm of tabletop games! I see Gloomhaven at the top left of his shelf. Easily one of the best board games I've played. ^_^
Good eye!
austin, you are a Gem my brother...thank you for all you're doing. You never disappoint!
I have this book on the "next up to read" list. Excellent interview.
Saw this and suddenly became VERY excited
Bruh.. finally 😩😩👌👌🔥
Hope you enjoyed it!
I say we go back to referring to ourselves as The Way. If it’s good enough for the apostles, it’s good enough for me. Why not?
Enjoyed a great deal Austin.
The Apostles ARE Orthodox ...
My daughter's priest!
Wonderful!
Best one yet! Thanks!
Wow, thanks!
This is a great program. Thanks
My pleasure!
That question in 1:03:04 about the Theotokos which apostols wouldn't know was not correct.
Apostles in the first century didn't know lots of theological terms, like Holy Trinity, Homoousios, Person, etc. which were brought up in to Christian theology three centuries later. So what? If some terms didn't exist in the 1-st century it doesn't mean they are wrong.
What would be a real shock for the apostles is if they visited a modern Baptist or Pentecostal rock-n-roll worship. And there would be even more shocking for them to hear from a "pastor" that there is no real presence of Christ in the Eucharist.
I don't think that the apostols would even call these people Christians.
Now everybody is politically correct and tolerant, call everybody Christian, we are used to call any sect which is 100 years old a church. We are the Church, they are the Church, we are Christians, they are Christians, no Bishop, no Altar, no Eucharist,... but they are "Christians of different traditions". Wow...
"We don't worship the words we worship what they signify" one of holy fathers said I believe about Holy Trinity
The terms were not coined out not the concepts, it's important what they mean not the words themselves
im just glad we all understand that the gap between outsider understanding of Judaism and insider understanding of Judaism isn't the result of any deception by the jewish people!
Rabbinic Judaism isn't the successor to Secund Temple Judaism.
Great video. Speaking of the "Two Powers in Heaven" made me think about Dr. Michael Heiser. I think you should invite him to discuss with you Austin. I'm Catholic, but he's possibly my favorite protestant scholar right now.
This is going to be fantastic
Compare and contrast with your interview with the Anabaptist gentleman. I think Fr. De Young makes a much better and well researched case for his view of what the "early church" was.
Eeeep so excited!!! ☦️🙏🏻🤍
I really honor Father Stephen. What a great evangelist for Christ. Go Orthodox!
Yup I can confirm, in college, circa 91-92, Stephen DeYoung was ordering books "online" from harvard about Linear B. which in the early 90's was pretty impressive.
I believe that creating in the faithful a deep appreciation and understanding for God as revealed in the Torah would go a long way to creating the Christian revival that this world deeply needs right now.
And one of those things is the need to remove idols, and graven images and worship the living God not the god made by man's hands.
.this abominable notion that graven images have now just become Icons is Ludacris.
The main struggle of all denominations is their Desiree to uphold pagan traditions of making God into an image and then bowing down to it or worse praying to Mary and the dead. In which this was punishable by death in the Torah. And condemned heavily in the new testament.
@@Barthaneous34 Just say you don't understand Orthodox Christianity.
Well done, Fr. As always.
Thanks for listening
Austin, you are the bomb. Thank you for keeping an open mind. Please continue with the shows on Orthodoxy. I was raised catholic including 16 years of catholic education. I never had a bad experience with the nuns or priests. But I started thinking Catholicism was not for me when I was about 8. Now I am 64. I searched and searched. Buddhism is the most beautiful pathway. Truly. But I need Jesus so I major in orthodoxy and minor in Buddhism. Buddha doesn’t speak to God. It’s all about removing the plank in your own eye. Plenty of room for my lord.
Orthodoxy also has the Hesychast practice which is similar to Buddhist meditation. Look into the Orthodox Jesus prayer.
Brooooo!!!!! I’m so excited! Please ask him about giants!!
Everyone gets excited about giants!
To be deep in history is to cease to be a Protestant
And to cease to be Roman Catholic.
And to become Orthodox
I have been reading a book called Penecostal Sacraments its about how different demonisations emphasize different aspects of Christianity but we need everything Christ has to offer
Excellent! Thank you!
First Orthodox Church Patriarch is Abraham
Great topic! And yes, they would. ☦ 😊
They *were* 😁☦️
@@brotheraugustine *ARE BEING* 🤓
Excellent, thanks!
תודה רבה היה מרתק Thank you so much it was fascinating
Now that I finished this video, I’m going to listen to the LOS podcast because I’m WAYYYYY behind. 😬😬
Enjoy!
@@GospelSimplicity Oh, I will! Lol
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It's so interesting how seemingly innocuous CCM songs can shape our theology without our even realizing it. I love that song you mentioned, but in a time when the idea of objective truth is largely rejected (yet desperately needed), the idea of breaking down the walls of *all* my religion seems counterproductive. Thank God for the Holy Spirit and His guidance tbh. Also, Austin, not sure if you've done this already, but would love to see a vid where you walk us through what you're thinking as you're learning from all these interviewees + Moody -- specifically, I'm curious about your thoughts coming from a protestant background. Has what you learned changed how you view worship as its done at the church you grew up in or where you go now? Any other thoughts as you're processing would be interesting to hear. Take care!
Would the Apostles be Orthodox? This non-question is like asking “would a bachelor be unmarried?”
it's just gonna be a matter of time before we see him embrace eastern orthodoxy. haha.
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I dunno, there seems to be a cloud of accepting, shopping ala Golden Corral, on what "feels" right vs the Truth. We can't help it in the West.
Dude!
Another great book on this topic is Larry Hurtado's magnum opus Lord Jesus Christ. Highly recommend it.
Lovely video
His comparison of a turkey sandwich vs. a Thanksgiving meal sort of the way I view protestants as a life long Catholic. They have the "turkey sandwich", but they miss out on the full, wonderful meal That Catholicism has to offer.
True…And they both miss out on orthodoxy. 👍
@@zealousideal The Holy Catholic Church is the true Orthodox Church
@@JengaJay negative…Ex Catholic here. Sell that to someone else Bcz I’m not buying it. Lol 😂
The original is Orthodoxy and the proof is all there. In fact the true Orthodox are Catholics .
Even many Saints and Fathers say it. In fact, as orthodox we still say “Orthodox are the original and true Catholics.” Lol.
@@zealousideal Right, so you replied to my comment claiming that the Father’s claimed orthodoxy is Catholicism when I said the same thing about my position? Seems rather rhetorical to me than actually proving why the Catholic Church is false [Like: Expressing why you stopped believing in Catholic dogma, or the errors of Catholic saints] you haven’t made any statement as to why it’s false
I would be obliged if you gave reasons
@@JengaJay sorry It must have deleted my original comment somehow. I stopped debating people online..it’s a huge waste of time and doesn’t get anywhere. But if you really wanna know the truth contact me and we can discuss it. I’ve spent many many years researching this deeply and debating. On the surface it does seem like Roman Catholicism is the truth, but if you research more deeply you will find out the truth. The proof is all there if you really want it and seek it. I was in confusion for many years myself until one day I saw it plainly and it all made sense finally and the evidence is there.
You may find that Ancient Antiochene Theology covers the first 400AD years of the true Church, the Antiochene...way before the Greek Orthodox or Roman Schism ever existed.
Orthodoxy has existed since the first century. "Greek Orthodox" is but a fraction of Orthodoxy.
Both Fr. Stephen and myself belong to the Antiochian Orthodox Church
You are THE host of hosts.
Gold 😂
This video is a big insight for me!!! wow