Should You Be Able to Return from Being "Canceled"?
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- Опубликовано: 31 май 2024
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0:00 intro
2:03 What Does it Mean to Be Canceled?
4:02 Our Cancelee’s
9:05 What Should You Do?
12:00 People Can Change, But We Have to Help 
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If I didn’t make it clear enough i’ll say it here. if you commit a crime, there is no being redeemed as a creator or celebrity. This video is in reference to people that are in murky waters and there are no real rules set in place. i’m not defending anyone who has committed any real crimes LMAO
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"I'm not defending anyone who has committed any real crimes" ??? Okay, coward, what the hell?
Non-violent drug offenses?
Sedition against oppressive governments?
Just existing as a gay or trans person, in many countries?
These are all crimes. How are you a leftist video poster and you're crashing and burning on the "Illegal does not equal immoral" thing? Dude.
@@user-ol6gc7nr9yLMAO?
It’s strange how some people are more upset about cancel culture than what that person actually said or did
@@ville__ur tweaking .take a nap or something.
@@ville__when you walk into the room, do people smile at you?
Literally like u just got canceled not arrested
Probably because they've done similar things and deep down they are very scared of being held accountable/confronted about their actions. Either that or they have a very twisted view of accountability and they literally think 'cancellation' is some sort of actual assassination, rather than what it is, holding someone accountable for their actions in the court of public opinion
@@trash_bender420Or it's what they want. Like how some people will fight for rich people to have less taxes even if they are living paycheck to paycheck because they want to be rich with all the benefits. The idea is that they want the fame to be above criticism
Depends on what youre cancelled for. If its an off colour joke told 10-15 years in the past and youre sorry for it sure. If youre shane dawson and have committed numerous crimes of course not.
Not to mention Shane never tried getting better after being called out, he would just apologize and keep doing the same awful stuff 💀
No. No one should be cancelled over jokes. Jokes and statements are not the same thing lmfao
@@MrGMovieReviewsA joke is a statement
@@Wnuzel not a serious one
god can you imagine Shane Dawson having to endure an 8 hour shift at Starbucks. Only sitting on breaks, not allowed on his phone, people barely look twice at him (because batistas are just supposed to be atms where money and rudeness go in and coffee comes out) like I think he would evaporate into the ether
LOL! real. Idk why you're not allowed to sit, when I worked retail that shit was weird as fuck to me, like genuinely how does that increase efficiency? all it does is give me lower back problems, can't even imagine what it's like for the eldery that work those kinds of jobs for decades on end, it's just needless cruelty... hardly even about money... just hurting people because hurt people are easier to exploit I guess?
He'd sob in the back room then quit that second.
@@jasonschuele115that’s exactly why! hurt people and worn out people are the EASIEST to exploit. other countries you may sit bc other countries are not as libertarian as this one
Calling feedback "cancellation" is simply to trivialise the fact that someone has (9/10 times) committed a crime.
People who take their feedback and change after apologising almost NEVER call it 'being cancelled'; they call it "I did a bad thing, and I want to apologise".
Meanwhile, people who commit serious crimes call it "getting cancelled" to make it smaller. To make it a joke. Cancellation is for tv shows, after all! Not for people! It's not a word with serious connotations, and it never has been.
If someone says "I'm being cancelled for xyz" in a serious voice, run away. They are NOT a good person. People who say "I've done something wrong, and I want to apologise" (whether they've been pushed to apologise or not) are far more likely to be accepting of their mistake. They're far more likely to change.
Only bad people actually call their own faults "getting cancelled" as far as I've seen.
i think the conversation extends to the public's reaction as well though. at this stage, it's not just about what the person themself says but also about the general masses of people calling something a cancellation. take idubbbz's situation from like half a year ago. he took accountability for the horrible shit he's said and done, yet people were still moaning about how tit was all a result of cancel culture and he had nothing to apologise for, despite the fact that it was literally his decision to do it and nobody was actively calling him out in that moment.
Not every time people get cancelled it's because they did a bad or illegal thing though. Like when Lindsay Ellis got cancelled bc she tweeted that Raja And The Last Dragon had a similar plotline to Avatar The Last Airbender.
@@joelleweetjewel9948And in what ways did she get canceled?
@@owabowa Basically just got cyberbullied on Twitter. It impacted her financially, but it mostly affected her mental health, so she quit RUclips and now only uploads on Nebula.
@@owabowaPeople explicitly stated that they wanted to run her off the internet via dogpiling and basically made a laundry list of things she said that she 1) apologized for and demonstrated that she understood why they were hurtful and 2) were, I don’t want to say inconsequential, but it was easy to understand why she wouldn’t have realized at the time they were harmful. I think the issue of proportionality and intent is what determines “bad/productive/just cancelling” and “cancelling” that is not. Really disproportionate response on that one. As for the people discussed in this video, they’re labeling any feedback or deplatforming of definitely dangerous figures as unjust censorship which is gross.
I feel like it depends on the situation, creeps like James, Shame, Colleen don’t deserve second chances and should be removed. They’re clearly predators among other awful things they’ve done. I honestly don’t understand how 2 out of those 3 aren’t in jail
true, which is why saji explicitly othered pedophiles while making the conclusion about rehabilitation
“SHAME” LMAO
@@heartsforbrendashame dawsoppointment
WAIT WHO’S IN JAIL? SHANE?? I know James is running around free, and Colleen has chugged along the tracks of misinformation (🙄), but Shane Dawson been quiet! 0:13
James Charles is like a cockroach that just won't die and keeps coming back.
its 100% an accountability thing. these people arent being cancelled, they complain about being cancelled to victimize themselves. "wah. theyre trying to run me off the internet" is the only thing they can accept because in what universe is sorry in their vocabulary. they just dont like the fact that there are consequences to their shitty actions, a lot of these people think they should be untouchable.
and this is both situations, petty and legal.
I'm avoiding writing an essay on AI in healthcare for my last week of my first college semester💀 thank you for giving me another way to procrastinate
No because I have a 10 page final due tonight, but I’m watching this
@@QuestionsIAskMyself you should consider downloading an extension to hold yourself responsible if you find you are incapable, seriously, idk if y'all use chrome, firefox, etc. etc. but nearly all browsers have extensions that can help you to stay away from the dopamine cycle that is addiction to social media, like me personally i have an extension that removes all of youtubes recommended bar and removes infinite scrolling, I also have one that blocks me from being on certain sites or reduces the ammount of time I am allowed on them. we live in a world that is designed to steal away our time, so honestly I think we should all practice basically parenting ourselves and being healthy about our internet usage, like, even if you're purely on mobile there are apps that can help you to facilitate a more healthy relationship with media consumption. pls don't continuously procrastinate on your final!! your future self deserves better than disappointment and stress, seize your life back from the algorithm!!
That sounds like a topic that would depress tf out of me so understandable
a reminder that shane recently said “i didnt actually do anything wrong” in his interview with steve o. his is not sorry. and he is crusty
10:08 I think it's actually harmful to call Matt Rife's comedy style "dark humour" because that's not what it is. I think the majority of his audience would probably enjoy dark humour. He is simply ranting angrily about how much he hates women.
@scooterbooter Not to mention, his ableism as well doubling down after making a stereotypical unoriginal misogynistic "joke" about dv.
@@_alysia completely agree. making a "joke" about your teenage autistic cousin's genitals is not dark humour............
What constitutes as proof of change? How can we tell that someone is doing something different because it's the right thing, or just to save their own skin? Honestly, this is a tough subject!! I like to think anyone can change, and change for the good, but also I don't think people with long negative streaks should have a platform, but who's to say when something is really unredeemable? I guess we as viewers have to make those decisions wisely on whose content we are going to support.
I think the biggest tell is of after the apology, they just do it again...... or they make a ukulele song about what they are getting canceled for.
A good example of someone who should stay canceled is Logan Paul, HE JUST KEEPS DOING IT OVER AND OVER AND OVER.
A person who did something henious but SHOULDN'T stay canceled is Atriok. (The person who was Watching AI p*rn of his friends) because he spent MONTHS using his money to pay for lawyers to get some of that off the internet, and he denounced his fans who said what he did wasn't that bad, and he made a sincere apology was it weird yes very, but everything he did and said after makes it sincere. Making the law stronger against AI p*rn of your likeness after what happened isn't something Jake Paul would EVER do if he was caught with something like that.
Or Idubbdz who stopped making racist comments and saying the N-word in his videos, and again made a sincere apology. Even YEARS after he stopped making those videos.
These streamers who I would argue did worse than Logan/Jake Paul were sincere in their apology, took responsibility and took action that ended up hurting them financially (which depending on what they did I don't think that is always required) I think the biggest sign if the person is sincere is if they denounce and actively reprimand people who try to excuse their actions. Again I don't think that is always needed, but huge green flags if you do something iffy, and denounce the people in your own audience who agreed with that action.
i just subscribed after watching your video on online racism against indians. i like your humor and really appreciate you sharing your perspective!
Thank you for making the connection between prison and cancel culture. I've always thought about that
Omg I was thinking it doesn't add up fine if these ppl don't need just cancel culture, they use it to amass brainwashed/groomed fans that keep them out of jail. I think cancel culture confuses Yong ppl to amd doesn't let them realize these ppl have broken laws nd they don't deserve anything but jail
Yea “cancel culture” is often just sumone gettin held accountable
"you always knew that. you just didn't think anyone would find out"
"I've made a severe & continuous lapse in my judgment" LMAO DEAD 💀💀
love everything about this video. casually mentioning that you're a prison abolitionist is a mood. also, cool hat.
your curls are EVERYTHING, Saji!
I think Atrioc is a lesser known but still good example of what to do when you mess up. He got caught on a site with AI generated adult content of online creators. He then went offline for several months, worked with creators to help them find and take down a lot of that type of content of them and spent a lot of his own money doing it.
I still don’t think that redeems him though. He still hurt people- people close to him. He knew exactly what he was doing and what a shitshow it would be if said people ever found out. It was violating. He knew it was wrong, he knew why it was wrong and we shouldn’t be praising him for doing the bare minimum and acting as though it’s a redemption story.
what do you think would redeem him then? like, unless he apologised if that's what ur asking for@@ghoultooth
I appreciate that you use Desi names like Rohan, and your decor. Small details matter🫶🏾
Perfect timing, someone send this to James Somerton he needs it.
As ever, "canceled" wasn't recently created as a term but stolen from Black slang (see also, woke). (I am sure you know this, Saji, but for anyone reading.)
One of the most egregious things caught on camera of Shane Dawson is him kissing a child on the mouth. Like legit the fact that he is having children now 🤯
Maybe I’m wrong but this feels like a response to Kuncan Dastner’s video on Dean. I felt Duncan was a little unforgiving and reductive, though I usually love his angle on things. Great video nonetheless, I think you added important ~nuance~ to the conversation.
yes!! i feel the same way
The key word when talking about cancellation is proportionality, for more reasons than one. I don't think it's right for someone to lose their entire career for a mistake they can learn and grow from, but equally, if someone does demonstrable harm to a community they should face consequences. It's a fine line, if something a creator has done is really bad people respond emotionally, which is only natural, but because of that proportionality isn't taken into account. Also when an online response is perceived to be out of proportion with the actions of the creator that can be used by grifters and the like to convince people who aren't involved in online discourse that "cancel culture" is way more powerful than it actually is.
Exactly! If you don't leave room for forgiveness then you don't leave room to change. I feel like a lot of people don't choose to be ignorant, they just need to be educated in some things. That being said, after someone does something like Coleen for example, there shouldn't be any expectations for victims to forgive her or be the ones to rehabilitate her although that's normally a good way to grow.
Most of the canceled creators either have never worked a real job or haven’t worked one since they were very young and are detached from reality because of their era of internet fame. Putting them in real line of work to make a living & worrying about where their next meal is coming from or if they could make rent this month would be more entertaining to me.
Hm, defending Logan Paul was certainly a choice... All that was definitely just performative so he could go back to not caring and making shit-tons of money. He's an awful human being as he's repeatedly shown over and over.
I don't think he was necessarily defending him. He says he doesn't like him. I think his point was that, if Logan was a good person and genuinely remorseful (we know he isn't, but hypothetically) his apology by action would have been more appropriate and could've helped him fully understand the evil he did, and hopefully move forward.
@@toastready3961 yeah but we all (hopefully) know he's not, so it just seems like he could have picked a better example. Like, surely there's someone who actually has genuinely tried to make amends for something they've done?
@@CatGuyNekocan YOU think of a better example?
@@misssinisterseventy1553 content cop/idubbz had a surprisingly believable and sentimental apology and I think he’s making amends now
@@misssinisterseventy1553idubbbz.
ive made the comparison of cancellation to what people imagine prison is (put them somewhere we cant see them and maybe they'll get better offscreen) but neither cancellation nor prison really, like, does anything helpful. also the weird combination of all of that leads the everyman into thinking they have to be their own online police, cracking down on every small infraction to "keep the community safe" not realizing that what they're doing is the same as the cops that ticket for going 46 in a 45 while the DV down the street goes unnoticed. everyone is desperate for real societal growth and change, but none of us have any foundational way to go about that change, leading to in-fighting and petty cancellations.
I think it depends. Some former prisoners do say that it helped them reform because it gave them time to reflect. That’s the whole point
off topic but saji's aesthetic is so warm and pretty
everything you said i completely agree with. i used to be one of the people that thought we had to drive people off the internet, now i realize that gets us nowhere as a society. if we want change, we have to be willing to give people a chance to change. thank you for offering your insight, i really love your videos (and i also really love the first sentence in your description)
But how many chances should people be given? Come on now.
Shane Dawson didn’t have sex with his cat. He r worded his cat. Its not sex if it was nonconsensual
He was probably avoiding a trigger word
really really loved the ending of the video- you always manage to hit the nail on the head in your videos. keep up the great work !
But what about Harvey Weinstein, R. Kelly, Bill Cosby?
Bro thats not cancelled, THATS THE LAWWWWW
Logan Paul latter went on to take advantage of colonialism and moved to puerto rico
Ive been thinking this for so long but never knew how to word it, thank you!!
beautiful peacock lamp in the background. wonderful. artful. love it.
Yay, new saji video dropped!
You're the best! Thank you for your content. 🙏🏻✨ I appreciate the impact your videos have on me and how you encourage positivity and have empathy for the people it's hardest to have it for. Keep creating! 🌎
One thing that I feel like gets VERY mixed up no matter who talks about cancel culture and those who do terrible stuff is the use of the word of redemption.
Redemption is the processes of growth. Something that only the person that has done the wrong. Saying that someone doesn’t deserve redemption is basically saying they don’t deserve to better themselves which doesn’t make sense because….the goal is to have them be better.
The only time (imo) someone is beyond redemption is if they give up on themselves and double down on their bad behavior (which a lot of creators have done)
What I think people do is mistake redemption for forgiveness or think redemption = forgiveness when it doesn’t…or at least not always.
It’s more accurate to say people like Shane or Colleen don’t deserve FORGIVENESS for their actions….because the only way for someone to truly have their redemption taken away is if they go to prison for life.
It’s up to the person in the wrong to redeem themselves not the victims.
the intro reminds me of the bojack one so much i love it
Great video!
I don't really think it's our job to rehabilitate people in this way. Content creators being successful isn't something they're owed from us, I don't have to accept people. Obviously I don't think these people should be getting harassed(unless they did heinous shit nobody is doing anything about, then it's on sight), but I'm never following Jeffrey Starr or going to make a million excuses for Jenna Marbles either. They did what they did, they decide whether or not to apologize and improve, happy for them if they're genuine and actually do improve, but the marginalized people they've harmed don't have to care either. I don't support Nicki Minaj anymore because she essentially sent her rabid fans after a content creator I watch for simply having an opinion outside of that yes man mentality, Nicki Minaj has a net worth of over $80 million, I don't have to give a damn about rehabilitating her, hell she don't even know my name or the fact I exist.
Rehabilitation should be the responsibility of the person inflicting harm, not the victims or those on receiving end. The world is so much bigger than just making RUclips videos - these people would be just fine without it just like the rest of us who don’t make videos! If they shifted their focus to actual growth and self reflection, they might realize that.
Great vid! Saji is so cute. ☺️
great post thanks!
this is my first video after subscribing yesterday and it's so good!
saji ur my new fav youtuber. pls dont get cancelled
I think the cause of the person's cancellation is the most important thing, but also, the way they respond to being "cancelled" is important too.
Honestly, sometimes that's more off-putting to me than anything else. A little bit of empathy for the people you hurt (even if unintentionally) goes a long way.
Honestly Atrioc is a really good example of this in that he didn’t have to completely close off his platform to go through reform. For those who don’t know, it was exposed he had checked once on a AI porn site that generated that content for female streamers. This in his words wasn’t to get off but out of curiosity. He initially had a bad response but then took a break from the internet, started up again but made clear to demonize that, and also gave a considerable amount of money to female streamers to help them take down porn sites like that that were improperly using this image. In his response on RUclips months later he didn’t look for fans to forget what he did and acknowledged they were alright to continue not supporting him.
He was looking to genuinely show personal progress and not to plead forgiveness.
This is so true. His controversy was huge in the circles that knew him, it even garnered apologizers (that he did not ask for), but when he returned he clearly explained how he'd worked on his mistakes and helped other people and I think in the end it was the most genuine apology I'd ever seen from a content creator. He took a lot of time and effort to make reparations for his actions and never lashed out at the people who stopped supporting or held him accountable. I have a lot of respect for him for doing a lot more than he probably needed to if he just wanted to make a comeback.
Great vid, funny stuff!
Cancel culture doesn't affect the wealthy and powerful, they always bounce back. I'm still upset about Lindsay Ellis leaving youtube!
Like a lot of people have commented, I would say it depends on the action. Many of us have made mistakes in our lives and had to countlessly apologize or re apologize for the actions/things we've said. But it's also important that we do acknowledge the faults and not whisk them away.
Haven't finished the video but, when you commit enough misconducts at a company you'd get fired. You don't get to come back. Go work somewhere else. These 'canceled' people can literally just choose a different career.
7:20 Toxic Gossip train is still up on her channel is because it's her most viewed video probably ever and makes a ton of money off it. Who cares about a good reputation when a bad one makes you so rich?
Saji you're the coolest
In my opinion, I don’t think the people listed follow the example of being “child stars that said/did something wrong because of their ignorance”. What these people (Shane, James, Colleen) did was wrong, regardless of their platform.
I agree that people who make general mistakes due to negligence/ ignorance should be given a second chance and should be allowed to learn the error of their ways, but what these people have done were not actions of ignorant children. They were adults that had many years of experience to know better.
Not only that, the people listed actually used their massive platforms to aid in their actions. To give these people a platform once again after they’ve already proven, AS ADULTS, that they cannot handle the responsibility nor the consequences could pose as a massive risk.
if shane dawson worked at mcdonalds hed ask the new hire 15 year old to meet him in the walk in freezer
This might be an unpop op but "Should You Be Able to Return from Being Canceled?" yes 100%. Unless you've broken the law or a sites TOS there should not be anythign in place that stops you from returning, no way. Howveer "Do you deserve grace because you're sorry?" absolutely not. If your audience decides they can't forgive you its fine. if they can, woopee. but no one is ever entitled to a second chance.
what happened to the blinds
I clicked so fast
me too
Same
Love your videos Saji, you always make me feel a little less insane about issues I'm concerned about that others seem to just gloss over or dramaticize, and always do a great job of admonishing when necessary but also offering solutions or alternatives so that its not just a hate fest start to finish. It really means a lot to me and helps me feel less and less hopeless every time, so thank you for all you do 💝
I have a question though on something thats been bugging me that I'm hoping maybe the comments can help inform me on. I know next to nothing about Dream, I know I should just be looking this info up and thats my bad but with them popping up everywhere recently its just been nagging me. All I know is that they did a face reveal, then people made fun of their appearance, then they wore their mask again even in public outings and made music about it. Ive heard a lot of talk about allegations, and if they're true thats obviously fucked. But to me knowing nothing concrete, it seems like the internet collectively decided to make someone feel bad about their appearance and started accusing them of horrendous things and none of it has been challenged or addressed. Again, I know nothing about them, I have no connection to their content or anything, and of course this info definitely needs to be confirmed so that victims dont go unheard and they're not allowed to continue this horrendous behaviour. But, if it is just allegations, then what?? The internet en masse can't be held accountable for bullying someone in such a way, this process doesnt really work in reverse. Obviously if there is more concrete info about all of this I'd love to be informed, and even if there isn't anything concrete it absolutely should be looked into. Victims are still victims even if there isn't any proof, and they are the most important aspect of all this, all things told Dream is the one with the platform that we're all aware can be easily abused.
This leads into something else because of the recent twitter drama, everyone seems to be glossing over the things that Cantu(gumball) said in that video. Maybe we're missing context, maybe its an old video, maybe Dream had malicious intent, I dont know any of this. We do know that Cantu was underaged drinking at minimum regardless of when it happened, and that this likely exacerbated mental health issues they struggle with. While all of that may attribute to the reason for that tirade, it is not an excuse, though many gumball fans would have you believe so based on comments I've read elsewhere on the topic. To be clear, I am WAY more on Cantu's side than Dreams on anything that's happening, while I never saw any of Dreams content ive at least watched enough gumball to know I love their voice acting and the characters they've embodied. Also I cannot imagine the stressed involved with being such a young actor of any kind, they've been doing this a while and who knows what their work/home environment is like. I've been an underaged drinker/smoker with mental health issues, I'm not trying to villainize any of that I absolutely sympathize. But I never used slurs as a result of any of that, and the way they're so casually wielded is a concern I feel no one is recognizing. This is a scenario I feel everyone should be held accountable for, but no one seems to want to appropriately address it because Cantu is beloved as a voice actor and Dream is easy to dunk on.
Sorry for the rant and ramble, I'd just appreciate any thoughts or info on the matter as its been driving me crazy since its came to light.
the apology videos always come across as "sorry i got caught" never actually anything worthwhile
"support an unproblematic creator like me", bro you stutter, you're so problematic you have to cancel your own words before you finish saying them!
Anyway, another great vídeo, been following you for a while with great pleasure, as you've been able to enlighten me in topics I never really thought about (bitch lasagna being the biggest), for that, I hope you have an amazing day/week/month/year/decade/century!
i think the bits in this video were funny !
shoutout nameless brothers friend!!
Is that the lost hero from Percy jackson i see?🙈🙈🙈❤
wow your videos are def getting suppressed along with the bs changes in the home feed 😤
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Depends on the situation 'small' things like edgy jokes and such absolutely should be forgiven if they've matured. etc etc. But essentially crimes shouldn't. Being 'cancelled' is probably a scary experience either way, essentially the entire internet turning against you. And 99% of the internet doesn't give constructive criticism if you know what I mean ;)
“Should be forgiven” is an unrealistic way to view these situations. No one owes creators forgiveness just because the creator’s actions aren’t viewed as “serious enough”.
I find that in conversation surrounding cancel culture, everyone agrees that child predators, scammers, etc deserve what happens to them, but they excuse and downplay “edgy jokes” (which are, more often than not, discriminatory remarks)
Creators don’t even need to apologize for people to insist that everyone forgives them. Some creators double down on the “edgy jokes”, while maintaining that they aren’t racist/homophobic/whatever applies.
I don’t believe people really get cancelled. They get heat for a few months at most, and then they can return with their fans defending them and the internet moving on to the next hot topic. Cancel culture isn’t the threat that people are deadset on painting it as.
@@ChoRen Can agree with that. :)
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a lot of people don’t realize that it’s nuanced and not every mistake is the same. for example saying a slur when you’re a kid is not good, but it’s not nearly as bad as, well, anything shane dawson has done as a grown adult.
if it involves children 100% no for me
add wilbur soot to the list of ppl who are watching this for genuine advice rn
WHAT HAPPENED TO YOUR BLINDS SAJI
I feel like Ethan Klein is another good example of someone willing to hold themselves accountable. He's made MANY mistakes over the years, but has also been very transparent in his willingness to listen and make a change after having difficult discussions. I know H3's not everyone's cup of tea, but they've shown that a platform can be used responsibly even when progress isn't linear.
White people can't get cancelled but Hasan Minhaj (a brown person) can
Why yall adding mister barbie doll in with groomers and child predators? Lmao. He sucks, we all get it but Its like adding a weed dealer to the cell with murderers.
james? he’s actively going for* minors wdym
@@meow-db3jbI assumed he was referring to Matt Rife? Idk we need clarification lol
Because he's topical rn
I think it literally just depends on what they did and how they responded to it. I think the way you respond to being called out is important and says a lot about someone maybe not as much as the actual thing you did but there’s times where I stopped supporting someone who did something less serious than someone else I still support solely because of how they responded. If you respond to being “cancelled “ by refusing to take responsibility for your actions and just being a dick I’m gonna be less forgiving than if someone just admits what they did and apologizes sincerely even if their actions were worse than the one who didn’t (to a certain extent ofc)
a great part of this issue i think is in the the language. that is, the conflating of “cancellation” with the actual genuine downfall that follows actions of criminal behavior or problematic actions. people believe in cancel culture, i think, because of examples of the latter being considered “cancellation”; people genuinely think it’s an effective method of social and economic punishment, when it’s not, it’s just a common response to concrete actions that is especially visual in our media
as always thanks for the detailed and interesting discussion of a nuanced topic saji! always excited to see what the saji subject will be 🩶