Thanks man, I'm a 90's kid and I'm tired of people telling me I suppose to hate new things. Some are good, some are bad, and some are just fair for their time
I was born in 1981 and I also don't stay stuck in the past. Splatoon, that's not nostalgic to me - that's fresh to me! Spider-Man: Into the Spider-Verse? I hated superheroes as a kid, so no nostalgia there. Set in the modern era with a new art and animation style, I absolutely love it! I'm glad to see fresh new ideas being done.
Nostalgia is a lot like pride, perfectly fine in small doses, healthy even, but it becomes a big problem when allowed to grow out of control and dominate one's actions, opinions, and life.
Eh, new stuff will be old one day and trash and forgotten compared to stuff that came before it. Facts. If it sucks it sucks. And older stuff isn’t better because it’s old its better because it just was better. Pizza is old but it’s still one of the best foods. And top foods. 🍕
People are always terrified of change, it's been in history forever, change in anything is feared, has been, always will be. I don't just mean in media, I mean in anything.
nothing truly changes at all, if something tries to change too much to being unidentifiable, maybe that's too much of an problem, pokemon - sonic - star wars - halo, never changed too much, the fans are just guilty of wanting to live inside a pokemania-like bubble with those franchises, if that's the case, then the nintendo switch's fan image is a good example, of the former's not living in that phase
Strange since TheCartoonGamer did say that Rise of the Ninja Turtles actually had a rise (no joke) in terms of having a dedicated fanbase (the movie as far as I heard actually did well). Kinda reminds me of my story with the TMNT since I grew up with the 1980s turtles and 2003 and when 2012 came around I wasnt liking how they made the turtles say Booyakasha when its Cowabunga (didnt realize it was like the 2003 show where they were trying to move on from the 1980s incarnation) as well as the way the turtles acted not like brothers but more like how shows nowadays does comedy. Be mean spirited, non humble, Rick and Morty types of toxic where theyre husks of themselves since I saw Raph, Leo and Donnie shush Mikey in the most infamous way possible when I saw footage of them back at SDCC. Then came 2014 Tmnt with Michael Bay (cause everybody hates Michael Bay for what he did to Transformers and almost TMNT) and now we had two reboots that were inconsistant with each other. I was thinking the Ninja Turtle fans would never find peace and back in 2014, the Mikey meme caused alot of fans and such to blow up because it "raped" their childhood. HOWEVER, after seeing the film a bit at my local KMart and seeing footage of the Michael Bay produced TMNT and seeing the turtles as well as Raph being a good brother, I was starting to reconsider my actions since this toxic thinking led me to believe the Live Action 2014 movie wasnt as bad as people thought it was. By the time that I was in Hawaii, I went to the Toys R Us there and still saw TMNT 2014 and really rethought about my way of thinking and gave in. The TMNT 2014 movie, while not perfect or the greatest movie ever, reconnected my love to TMNT, especially made me love Raph even more (Raph and Mikey are my Turtles since Im the hardhead but also love a good party). Heck I loved all the turtles and after that movie, I never thought negative again about TMNT and actually support the next incarnation since its sequel was even better (I wont be supporting the Seth Rogan movie, he did Sausage Party and read about what he did during his "Invincible" show, which is why I dislike Robert Kirkman since he hurted the fans of Walking Dead Live Action and to me is a dangerous guy since he hired Justin Roiland *ahem Going to face trial for what he did to his animators ahem* and to me, no thanks I dont support bad creators). Still, I would rather watch 2017 Rise of Ninja Turtles than what is gonna happen to that Seth Project. Sorry for the long thing, but I needed to tell the story of how I overcame toxicity (even in shows that arent like the others). Thank you for reading.
Yup. I admit I was guilty as well when it came to hating the 2012 Turtles even before watching it. I grew up with the 03 Turtles, and thought the 2012 series was a "replacement". Then I actually watched it. And honestly, it's just as good. Maybe not better. But far better than I ever thought.
There was nothing more frustrating than being a tmnt fan in 2018 when rise was released, we were being handed the greatest tmnt cartoon ever crafted and the fanbase just squandered the fuck out of the moment
while I wasn't the biggest fan of rise's choices, I love the animation, and appreciate that they made a show that was unique, like a good chunk of adaptations of the turtles whether it be movies, shows or even the comic, there's usually at least one big difference. the idw series, which is considered definitive ninja turtle comic to get into, has the turtles and splinter be reincarnations of 4 students and their master back in ancient japan, (I haven't got into the comics yet, but I'm sure they're still mutants though, so it isn't that ridiculous) I grew up on 2012, but I found the 2003 show when I was watching Turtles Forever back when it was on youtube. this was obviously before 2012. but I like both a lot and Rise gets a pass from me, my only real complaint is the fact that they don't use their classic weapons anymore, and donnie just rockin' a tech stick.
I didn't watch much of 2003 TMNT at all, and the Turtles Forever episode was really awkward and unpleasant to watch and that was at the time it came out. However, I also like what 2012 did in general and I would like to see episodes I missed if the mood strikes me. And I grew up on 1987 Turtles. ;)
@Alexander Capanov and I agree with you. The last generation where I was excited about the hobby was the 7th and even then it was starting to decline. What with the overabundance of call of duty influence in everything and the focus on hyper-realism. 8th gen was okay, switch sort of carried it. Aside from Metroid I personally do not think the titles Nintendo put out were improvements to the series they released titles for such as Mario and Zelda. Now the 9th generation I haven't been compelled to even bother buying a console at all and switched to PC gaming where I just play old titles. Games I'm interested in now are so few and far between it's not even worth it and when I am interested it's mildly at best.
@@ralcolfwolfcoon8207 I understand modern gayming is in hot sh!t, nowadays. Seeing bunches of corpos go ... well ... full-on corpo is really depressing to me, but that doesn't change the fact that there's still more good new games have been released. Just don't give those corpos money and use them to support devs that cared about their product and you're golden. Wish I can say the same to those normies who kept on buying Madden every year.
I used to think nostalgia was purely good because it made me feel warm and grateful for the life I’ve lived. However, at 24 years old I realized how paralyzing a feeling it can be if not regulated. It has discouraged me from growing and maturing in certain areas and has hindered my ability to feel excited about a new future. Worst of all, nostalgia distracts you from living in the beauty of the present because of how good it feels to live in a romanticized past.
as someone who thinks too much about the future, I agree. I was born in 2002 (21 and turning 22 this year) I will cherish the things that gave me joy but It doesn't mean the new stuff can't do the same.
I feel you I’m 26 (born 1998) and the whole “Generation debates” like “Millennials had the best this” or “Gen Z had the best that” is toxic too. I hate how people act like whatever generation Pew labels your birth year as, people act like you HAVE to like just Music/Shows/Trends from that era but truthfully while I’m Gen Z by Pew and like a lot of Gen Z shows/music, I also like a lot of Millennial shows/music and even Gen X too but when I listen or watch them, I try to do it casually instead of ruminating on it
Exactly, the magic school bus reboot trailer couldn’t stand a chance against the nostalgia nerds struggling to except the fact that kids these days have a childhood as well.
Man, it's crazy how Colors is pretty much going through the exact phase the Adventure games had in the 2010's where every reviewer and Sonic fan on the internet just parroted the same "it's not as good as you think, it's just your nostalgia clouding it" rhetoric. And the biggest thing about this are the people who say this are the same ones who will get upset that Game Grumps ruined the Adventure games and Sonic's reputation.
The 3D sonic games have now gained this weird cycle. Adventure/Colours redefined the tone & style of the series after it began falling into irrelevance from mediocre games. Positively received at the time, exclusives to their consoles but have received a botched port & a modern audience thinks they’ve aged poorly. Adventure 2/Generations is the anniversary game & regarded as one of the best in the series. But they also introduce things that’ll negatively effect future instalments. Heroes/Lost World is the weird, divisive entry that tries a new gameplay style whilst mixing old & new. Shadow/Rise of Lyric is the shitty spin off. 06/Forces is the one that returns to the old gameplay style but is rushed & “ruined the series”. Unleashed/Frontiers tries a brand new gameplay formula that’ll define future games but is held back by issues that have plagued past games.
What TF are you talking about? Reviewers (including youtubers) still defend and praise Sonic colors (whilst they openly trash on the Adventure games). Was that not obvious enough with the release of Colors Ultimate? I wish Sonic Colors would get the same treatment the Adventure games got in the 2010s. But that's not gonna happen. People are just being more open about why they don't like the game. They're not running smear campaigns against it using the unpatched Switch version and pretending it was "always this bad". Edit: And considering most of Colors' praises were blatant lies. Lies about it just being "the daytime stages from Sonic Unleashed", lies about it being a "3D Sonic game". I'd say the backlash was a long time coming. And don't get me started on how it supposedly "saved the franchise" (what a joke XD). Play the DS version, DIMPS actually did a good job on that one.
That game is dogshit, was in 2010, is now. No nostalgia required, a shitty game, with a shitty story that set a shitty boring as all get out trend for a franchise that was previously interesting.
@@kingbash6466 Doesn’t help either that even as a fan of colors, the way sega itself has hyped the game up in the past as a “true transition to 3D” has probably ruined the game a lot for some people, who feel that the adventure games were way better in comparison. But yeah, you aren’t wrong when you mention that it’s bizarre how colors has retroactively became the “Sonic Adventure” of the modern era. I mean, shit, it even has the port that somewhat ruins the base game a bit.
@@kingbash6466 I'm assuming these negative reviews are ones from smaller channels. Because almost all the big mainstream channels seem to have a positive stance on colors. I guess I see what you mean about an upsurge in negative comments on Colors. I think it's different however. It's more so the 2000s fans after years of experiencing belittlement, and gaslighting from the gaming community at large (reviewers and youtubers combined with their followers mostly). And dealing with the endless double standards. Having lost their patience, and just going on the offensive. It's not ideal. But it's certainly not the same as for example what Game Grumps did to the Adventure games (and by some extension Heroes).
@@gandalflotr2898 I see that a lot with the new remake era, with Dead Space, RE4 and Silent Hill 2 It’s funny because I genuinely like all of them while recognising strengths and weaknesses (well I hope I will like SH2R) But the discourse around it is just going into tiniest, most ridiculous details to prove that X is better and Y is shit I’m getting tired of online communities…
This is why I love Samurai Champloo. . . The whole point of the show is to illustrate that journeys have endings! At the end of every episode, a side character would remark how they’d meet the trio again, but the audience knows it’s never going to happen. By the end of the show, the trio go their own separate ways. No cliffhanger, no season 2, no spin offs, no movies. Just the end of a beautiful journey!
I personally hate feeling nostalgia. It is the most unpleasant and painful feeling I have ever experienced. That feeling that everything was better in the past, that time is passing very quickly and remembering the moments that will never come back. It makes me want to cry every time I remember events from the past. That's why I always avoid thinking about them.
Nostalgia is a blessing and a curse. It's great that you have fond memories towards something you saw in your childhood. Heck, I even revisited a few things from my childhood, but if you obsess over things from your past, then it might cause some trouble.
This argument really PLAGUES the cartoon/animation community. Anything that is brought back for a new generation gets TORN TO SHREDS… Even when they make a original thing (like they always argue they should do) either they 1. don’t watch it, or 2. Shit on it too no end… You sadly can’t win with some people.
Case in point: the foreclosure of Blue Sky Studios and the Cartoon Community's response two years since Disney posted that announcement across social media. Bittersweet as it was to see a recently acquired Fox asset sacrificed for the sake of Disney recouping profit they lost throughout 2020 and early 2021, there are more constructive methods of honoring Blue Sky's legacy than creating fan petitions out of spite toward the Mouse House.
Those people aren't looking for new things for themselves; they just don't want others enjoying "bastardizations" that could give "false impressions" of the past. Real or perceived. They're basically saying to put modern creative energy elsewhere so they can dunk on it instead of fear it.
I was a kid when teen titans go came out I hated the show as I didn't like bathroom humour but I was disappointed that there wasn't more substance to the show like the original show
Nostalgia like a lot of things are a double edged sword. They can help strengthen the present and future, but also expose what is lacking from what's being dug up and used in the present.
I only recently became a massive fan of Teen Titans, and I can understand the purpose of the final episode, but to me I wanted to see what happens after a teenager learns all there lessons. I wanted to see the Titans grow into young adulthood, I wanted to see Star Fire get her own season and arc, I wanted to see Beast Boy move on and find a deeper connection with Raven. Trouble in Tokyo did do a bit of this, but it was mainly for Robin and Star Fire. I want to see all the characters I fell in love with continue on their ever changing journey. At the very least, I would want this continued in an official comic or a video game. Overall though great video expressing an important topic. I have a heart for nostalgia, but I'm becoming more excepting of new things.
@@uanime1 Yeah. There's a fan comic called Things Change Continues that I see as the true ending of Season 5. It adds to original ending in a way that feels natural and satisfying while still keeping the message from Things Change intact.
Reminds me of when Legends, Battle Network or Starforce came out. A lot of older fans were complaining that "that wasnt true MegaMan", when the classic and X series were dying out of fatigue and lack of quality.
Ironically now Megaman fans want the return of them. Especially legends left on a cliffhanger and star force had a cancelled fourth game. This is especially true when u see the amount of praise fans have when the battle network series is coming to switch
Tbh, the RPGs still feel very far removed from the "main essence" of Megaman in a way from a conceptual standpoint. Does not mean that either is better or worse for it tho.
I was a kid when Legends came out and I played it around the same time as I had played X4. I love them both and combined with Mega Man: Battle & Chase, they were big for me becoming a Mega Man fan.
Yeah, I remember someone even saying that the Battle Network games were commercial failures and that the anime and merchandise kept the series alive. Like, how much do you have to hate something to spread misinformation about it? Battle Network 4 is the third best-selling game in the franchise for crying out loud.
Nostalgia is an eternal cycle of "old thing good, new thing bad", that forgots that eventually new things become old. A new version of a popular franchise like He-Man, Power Rangers, Ninja Turtles and Pokémon comes, old fans say it sucks, then that version becomes old, and now it gets people saying how good it was and the newer versions are the ones who suck.
This is why I believe that we can still enjoy nostalgia, but have it in moderation so that it won’t consume us (lack of a better word) to the point where we end up becoming bitter about anything in the present
The thing I hate most about these kinds of people? Not even willing to argue about it. They always give some vague statement about why the old stuff is better but god forbid someone wants to challenge them: they turn away and don’t even respond. It’s like they think they exist in this bubble where their opinions are fact, and it really pisses me off
exactly, always seeing themselves as right and the worst type of them are the ones that gatekeep things like music saying "new generations would never understand" as if their nostalgia is limited to a certain age
Even Sakurai, the director of a series that fundamentally relies on nostalgia, has come out more than once telling people that they need to let go of the past, and enjoy the now.
@@TheRealZXXZ - He has his reasons to keep already established characters consistent. And that's quite rich of you, when referring to someone who introduced so many new mechanics with the latest characters.
He didn't mean to fully let go of it, but rather find things to enjoy regardless of period when you can, and do what you can when you can in general. He still laments past mistakes of his, you know.
@@julianx2rl What reason could he have to keep Mega Man mute, especially when the original Smash was the first game to cast Makiko Ohmoto as the rarely-before heard Kirby and the never-before-heard Ness? Full tilt retro nostalgia? That became impossible the instant Mega Man got the FLAME SWORED as a normal. Shitty MM8 voice? Not the fault of the idea of Mega Man being voiced; Powered Up proved it can work. Mega Man being a robot? Certainly sounds like it could be the case considering how lifeless he looks in Smash while the old sprites had FAR more life to them. And wasn't he supposedly inspired by the Archie comic crossover with Sonic? Mega Man talked as much as anyone else there. And it doesn't matter that he only got a couple of lines in MM6's intro out of all the NES games; MEGA MAN WAS NEVER CANONICALLY MUTE. Yes, I appreciate some of the older MM game endings being told without dialogue, but that's not an index to canon traits no matter what Sega would want you to believe.
I grew up with the 2003 TMNT animated series, but in the age of 26 I have come to love the Rise TMNT a lot more, and would actually prefer to rewatch that series over the 2003 one. There's something about how Rise changed the core dynamics of the turtles to become more like a family unit, and how individualized each turtle were written and designed. We don't even have to bring up the animation. The Rise series simply executes all the advantages of what animation as a medium can offer for entertainment. However, there is an advantage that I like with how 2003 TMNT was produced back in the day. Because it was greenlit for television during its era, it was created with a 22-minute runtime, which I prefer to see for the episodes I want to watch over just 11 minutes. The prior one just allows more breathing room for the story to play out, and 2003 TMNT was also written a tighter, more compelling narrative that run for each season (at least in the earlier seasons).
the rise crew were pushed back at every second by nick, the show was completely hated by nick, they never attempted to advertise it, they cut it super short )meant to habe 5-7 seasons), the writers werent allowed to wriet it bow they wanted, amd oberall the show for ficked over,
This was an extremely well made video. The clip with Cyborg's voice actor talking about how people desire closure but sometimes real life just doesn't work that way was very intelligently worded. Also @ around 18:35 your comments about people obsessing over hating things that weren't meant for you and never were really hit home for me. I'm only a few years older than you and as a kid, around age 12, in 2007 my first RUclips channel I'd ever watched was Cinemassacre with the Angry Video Game Nerd show. I watched that show for years and loved it until around 2017 when I noticed the quality start to decline. Fast forward to 2019 and I'd found a subreddit that was basically like an over-exaggerated criticism sub for Cinemassacre. It was filled with other people, in their 20s, who watched James'(the AVGN) videos through childhood and noticed the drop in quality as adults. I used this sub for around 3 years but lost interest in it around a year ago. I've come to realize, as an adult, that the Angry Video Game Nerd show was never targeted towards kids. It was never meant for me. It was targeted towards people around James' age, and by continually and obsessively hating the new content I'm doing myself a disservice by ruining my old memories of what I enjoyed as a child because, like you said, obsession with the "back in my day" thinking just leads to endless negativity and a worse perception of something I actually enjoyed as child. I seldom ever leave comments on RUclips, and I know this is kinda long, but the things you said and showed in this video had a profound effect on my thought process. This video was tremendously enlightening. Thank you for making this.
Glad to see this had such a positive impact. I wasn't sure what people were going to say about this video, but a lot of people are resonating. I know exactly what you are talking about, with a lot of things like I said in the video, but the AVGN is another example. I got into it late, summer of 2013 I spent most of my time binging those videos again and again. I was never super invested in the controversy, I had already stopped watching for the same kind of reasons, but I understand where you are coming from and I am glad you are on the other side, I know someone who was super invested in that drama and so, I get it.
Cyborg's voice actor is right about how life works with its lack of closure, BUT, stories are not life. Life is unpredictable and unknown, but stories are written out and planned. A good story should have a satisfying ending and that last episodes of Teen Titan was not a good ending at all. I'm not even talking about the message of it. I mean that it was unclear that the show was ending with it. It felt like a cliffhanger setting up a fresh plot hook. That's fine for when you have more episodes on the horizon, but not when you know it's all over.
@@rishnix Then you missed the point entirely. The ending was disappointing on first watch through, yes, but on repeat watches it's better because they didn't sloppily wrap things up. I can look back on it now as a better developed person and say "It's a bit of a downer, but i'm glad it ended like this" because that's just how life is, and art imitating life is my shit.
@@wrathfulgaming3373 Art imitating life is fine and all, but to do it with an animated show that embraces that it’s fiction and brought warmth to many generations is bound to not sit right with many.
Being a 90's kid (born in 1986) its almost humorus to me to see how the people that grew up with 00's stuff are nowadays saying the exact same things about modern incarnations of long-running franchises that my generation said about the 00's stuff that they love. Teen Titans is a great example. I can inform everyone that back in the day, teenage and adult DC comics fans were saying that the Teen Titans tv show was a childish insult to the original comics and that it wasnt as good as other DC animated shows that were current or recent at the time such as Justice League. "Teen Titans is an embaressment, it's a childish show exclusively for kids, it ruins any attempt at drama with cringy, un-funny comedy"" was what people my age used to say. Oh and dont get me started on the hate against Sponegbob Squarepants "It's the most overrated, most overexposed cartoon of all time" people would say. But children loved it, and those children have now grown up and declared it a comedic masterpiece, as it seems to have almost the same standing among that generation that The Simpsons has among my generation. And this cycle will repeat. Everyone above the age of 13 seem to hate the Disney Star Wars trilogy, but in 20 years you are without a doubt going to see tons and tons of videos on "Why the sequel trilogy is actually really good". I mean dont get me wrong, personally I think those movies are bad (and I think the same about the prequel trilogy) but I'm just saying; It's GOING to happen, and all of those who still hate the sequels will be considered hatefull boomers by that younger generation.
Easily one of the worst examples of toxic nostalgia I've personally seen was when Sonic Mania was coming out. Classic Sonic purists had this inflated sense of superiority because they were vindicated for never letting go, even bullying kids for daring to like 3d sonic. Like, dude, it's been 26 years. Go play with your kids.
Nostalgia is our moments of happiness. You shouldn't ignore it, nostalgia should be embraced. Something you watched as a kid can be good nowadays, and another things cannot. Living always in "modernity" will just going to lead you crazy, because TikTok, Shorts, social media, gaming is getting worse in triple AAA companies, cartoons, and movies are getting way boring now... Nostalgia is not a bad emotion. For example, Breaking Bad, many people are nostalgic for it, and I weren't. I haven't watched Breaking Bad between 2008 and 2013, I watched in 2021, and despite being a TV series that have been released more than a decade ago, it's still good. It's not bad just because it's nostalgic, or old...
To be honest i would love to have some toys or similar i wanted as a kid I have a similar experience with some videogames my parents couldn't afford back then and now as an adult i can get them and even newer versions
I'd love to but I have other financial priorities like medical bills and curbing my overconsumption. Which why I feel like I'm getting fandom and con fatigue.
When I was a kid I felt sad knowing there wouldn’t be any more Teen Titans. Maybe that was just it, I was too young to appreciate what Khary said about the finale and it’s intentions. Leaving it open ended with such a dramatic unexplained mystery hurt, yes. It is like life, like Khary said. But it’s a ballsy way to end.
The issue IMO is while I get the point I utterly reject the execution. Sure real life doesn't always have a resolution ... but this is entertainment. If you want to tie real world messages into your show you need more nuance than "Lol we ended the show on an absolute cliffhanger! Deal with it kids because life sucks!". You need to tie the message into the show's themes and events not just throw the story out the window and tell kids to get a real life message form that. For example a better way to do it would have been to flashforward to the future. Robin is nightwing again, Cyborg has moved on, ect. But at the same time maybe beastboy never met Tera again and maybe his romance with Raven never progressed. Maybe Nightwing and Starfire aren't dating either and still professionally fliritng. In other words show that no matter how much time passes somethings may not have a resolution. Some answers might NEVER be solved. Show that within the show instead of hard cutting the story and calling that a life lesson. This way the audience gets to see and experience THROUGH the show the lesson instead of just getting slapped in the face and expected to get it. The fact basically no one got the "message" and it had to be explained later shows how badly it was delivered. I can somewhat respect the attempt but really I think abandoning story structure for a message like that is just poor writing. If you can't tell your message without destroying the flow of the story ... don't tell it.
I had a friend from high schol that was really like this. He resents anything new over his nostalgic interest over the thing he sees as a kid in terms of animated content. whenever I suggest watching something new at the time such as UP, he shuts it down despite liking films like Toy Story or Monsters Inc. the video sums up my thoughts about people like him
Sometimes when some people are like that usually there's something that correlates with such as having a mental disability. One of em being autistic... that usually plays a large factor. I say so cause this is something I go through too especially with the GTA series... Vice city and GTA 3 was where it was at and made a huge impact on my life when they first came out...
Online fandom has ruined video games for me to the point where I feel like I can't enjoy any game even if I try. I feel like my enjoyment - or any lack thereof - is being put on trial by the most entitled and elitist thirty-something year old man-children on the planet.
it's so funny that some people say stuff like "this music isn't real music, it's so bad" without realizing that that is exactly what their parents and grandparents said about bands like the beatles
It's an "argument" that is not to be taken seriously, especially when the people that claim things like that try their hand at objectivity. Laughable. A lot of people get nostalgic over Disco when they belong to the same generation as the clowns that rioted over Disco. They whine about what's on the airwaves while conveniently ignoring how when a solid genre of music was on the airwaves morons literally rioted over it. There's also weak, passive-aggressive, racist bs in that "argument" about what is and isn't "real" music. This is coming from someone who mostly avoids the latest music (and not for the reasons one might think). You won't catch me whining about it either.
Funny cause it's all the same crap in the end. You boys should listen to classical orchestra and opera. And jazz. That's music you have to enjoy with your brain...
@ Another RUclips account, And I don't care about comments like yours that are all feelings and no reality. That you even commented is an irony that either went clear over your head or that you're not prepared to accept. You don't have the talent, cognition or ability to determine a single thing about a single genre. You're just bs'ing. More than an argument, it's a fact. I didn't ask your opinion and you're not going to refute what I typed so cut it out. You're out of your depth on the subject of music. I'm well-versed in it 🤷♀️ Now, don't reply to me again with anymore whiny f@gg0t comments and you'll be alright.
@@TheSultan1470I personally listen to every genre of music and I love classical music but I also like ultra modern music. Btw what do u mean by it all being the same crap in the end
The worst nostalgiaic people are the ones that send DEATH THREATS to the creators and even actors, then harass them over how different the new version is
I doubt that you'll see this but I appreciate this video. This made me reflect on the times that I was a Nintendo fanboy, the time that I hated Marvel because "they weren't what they were and the MCU ruined it", and the time I was a Mega Man Genwunner. I've recently given BTS a listen and I actually enjoyed it so far even if KPop/Rap isn't my genre I hope to never do the same mistakes again.
I can definitely relate with this. It's all a learning experience and realize that where there is love mixed with hate is a sign you're growing and reaching a certain stratosphere. I personally am not thrilled with the direction most companies (like Nintendo) are going, but it reminds me that I can put time and effort into other things such as artwork and my odd fascination with lost media and old game systems like the Sega Dreamcast (which was the last official console Sega ever produced - assuming the Sega Genesis mini doesn't count, but still has all the great classics like sonic, kid chameleon, and golden axe).
I love how this video made me realize Teen Titans 03 didn't end on a cliff hanger that clip of Cyborg VA really put that ending into perspective for me.
@@sayer4148 It was actually. The last three episodes were titled "The End" pts 1, 2, and 3. It was supposed to end on Raven's arc. Honestly it would have been a better, more satisfied ending but then we wouldn't have got to see all the honorary titans in Season 5. I also read that for a small period of time, season six was being talked about and if it was to happen it would have been based around the lives of the honorary titans. That last bit could have just been a rumor spread around the community at the time though, so take that with a grain of salt.
@mr.x2567 Nostalgia isn't entirely a bad thing, everyone has different things they are nostalgic for, and that's not a bad thing in and of itself. The whole point the video was making is about people letting their nostalgia blind themselves into hating things just because they are not into to begin with, and I think that we all make that mistake in our lives at one point or another. But again, there's nothing wrong with nostalgia inherently, at least so long as we don't let it dictate rather or not we are willing to give something new a try
As someone who grew up with the Teen Titans, that interview hurt me haha. I loved that series, and I don't think I would ever stop loving it. It introduced me to comic books. I never understood why it wasn't renewed for a 6 season since it was popular enough. I don't hate watch TTGO. I have my opinion on it as anyone, but I don't care about shitting on it for the heck of it. It's not for me and that's it. The series I loved is not coming back.
I feel completely the point that people are way too obsessed with wanting to be negative just for the sake of it, I was once guilty of this completely, I ultimately refused to play games or watch movies while forming opinions of ''Oh I don't like them because yatta yatta'' without having played or watched them while praising stuff of my own generation. And maybe it's also part of internet culture as some of the most prominent content creators back in the early days kinda started this trend but I also don't think this was their intention. Everyone has a right for an opinion, to enjoy the things we like, to dislike the things we don't, but being stuck on a constant cycle of negativity and hate due to this rejection of newer or old stuff, I'm not psycologist but that's no way to live in my opinion Let's enjoy what we like, whether if it is new or old, if is a nostalgia bait or not, doesn't really matter as long as it's good, that's what media is for, so that we escape for a while from our reality and have fun
@@Oficial_Mithin IDK, I guess it’s like, if it’s okay for people to consistently praise something over and over again, shouldn’t the logic be that it’s also okay for people to constantly bash something over and over again?
@@jomaq9233 blind praise is part of the problem with nostalgia actually, it makes you think it was better than is actually was. Regardless, this isn't a matter of extremes. No one said we need to be 100% positive, just try to look towards the positive enough so that you don't become overly cynical.
@@lukebytes5366 Unfortunately, I’m pretty sure the internet in general hates sincerity and optimism, and values being overly cynical because that sounds “smarter” and “above it all compared to the idiot normies”
I really liked your part of the video about just letting things end while I never played sly I can relate it back to series like dark souls were people are still asking for fourth entry despite the series being very clearly over. Very good video!
Excellent points all around. Internet engagement rewards extremes, leaving nuance on the sideline in many instances. It's not all doom and gloom but given the amount of people with internet access you're bound to get the types of people that only want their opinion to be validated and will try to discredit anything to the contrary in any way they can (whether it be fair criticism or baseless accusation)
I wish I gave it more of a chance because the animation is amazing. I just didn’t have access to it, I need to see if the episodes are online somewhere
Yeah, that show came out when I was 22. Having grew up on the 03 turtles, I was taken aback by the new designs, but I ended up binge watching the whole thing.
As a guy who grew up with the 2003 TMNT I honestly enjoyed the 2012 and Rise shows and the all 3 TMNT series are some of my favorite shows and even I have nostalgia to the older games and cartoons I believe that there are still great cartoons and games out there.
I have zero nostalgia for 2003 series i just into it recently its now my new favorite tmnt cartoon the 2012 series is the one i have nostalgia for that was my introduction of the turtles. I only seen a little of the 1987 series and rise but from what i have seen i liked it. I agree all 4 tmnt shows are good in their own right which one is your favorite depends on what your looking for.
i have watched all the TMNT versions but still i can not find a better one than the 80s one, at least there Splinter did not become an expert in ninjitsu by reading a thrown fucking book he found in the sewers :-|
Me personally, I don't let my nostalgia get in the way because if I do then I'm either missing out on the ideas the thing I'm watching has presented or I'm not giving what I'm watching a chance to impress me with something new. I gave the Velma series a chance. Sure it sucks really badly, but I didn't let my nostalgia get in the way of what I love about Scooby Doo. I gave Teen Titans Go a chance as well. I don't like that show either, but I still didn't let my nostalgia get in the way of it either.
Yeah see that’s good you had legitimate reasons for not liking those things not because (well it wasn’t what came before so blegh) you actually gave it a chance without comparing and nostalgia in the way and decided you didn’t like it. Another thing I liked you did was you didn’t let others opinions dictate YOUR opinion to many people let this happen.
It's so depressing now hearing things coming back. Even Futurama which ended in a time loop that literally makes the series neverending and had a great ending.
I don't mind the revivals, but these days, it's almost always the things that DON'T need a come back, like Futurama, King of the Hill, Toy Story, X-Men: TAS, and so on.
To me, I love people not liking the same as me. I want to hear other people's opinions on things I hate or like. Cause it makes rewatches even better, cause now when I watch it I can see it through new eyes and maybe get a new point of view on it. Maybe hate it more or like it more. I love hearing different opinions on games, movies, and shows.
Agreed, that hard part is finding someone who will debate back and forth with you without turning it into something personal. I would say 8/10 times it breaks down into the person attacking me, but when I do get a good debate going its a lot of fun to discover why someone sees it differently then I do.
Same here too. I grew to like this considering that I used to be blind to the other side. It opened my eyes to other's in what they think. Especially with the stuff I do in my spare time on RUclips and what to do when I eventually get to doing my recreation project of a dark ride; doing it for historical/lost media reasons. Since the small amount of people felt the original version of it was lame. It gave me inspiration to re-approach the ride in a way to make it more interesting, while still maintaining the character of what made it great to a lot of people.
Before I buy a game I think I'm going to like, I only read negative reviews of it, basically to see "Okay do I still disagree with them after this point or do they say something even I would agree with" and usually make a decision after that.
The entirety of the SpongeBob fandom needs to see this. A lot of people hate on season 4 onwards because it's a little different different from seasons 1-3 and will hate on literally any new Nickelodeon announces for the show.
2003 TMNT is still my gold standard for not just TMNT but shows in general. TMNT 2012 was able to stand on its own for half its run, and Rise was able to surpass 2003 in several areas.
Dang, no love for 1987? Also, I mostly grew up at the start of 2012, and the reruns of 2003. Also, 2018 just goes hard. I've watched all four and it just kinda seems unfair to say which one overall is the best. I just hope no one dogs on the upcoming 2023 series for fixing the one problem with all four of them. The "Teenage" part.
Congrats on missing the point of this video. It's not that newer things can't suck, or you can't criticize them, it's that this level of obsession people have with nostalgia both for or against it is really unhealthy and that people should just like what they like hate what they hate, not let nostalgia rule over you.
@@AidGum I never said that nor was I against him. You just missed the point of my comment LMAO. I’m saying nostalgia can be good to destroy horrible shows like Velma that completely miss the point while making more people find new appreciation in the older shows. Sometimes nostalgia is toxic, yes, but sometimes it can do good and make you appreciate what came before when you see garbage come out of something you once loved.
@@RhapsodyHC Oh wow, way to call me out for missing the point of your poorly worded comment. How could I guess that you weren't against him when you were making it seem like you were arguing against him by justifying "nostalgia hate". You argument comes off as saying that "toxic nostalgia" is a good thing when its against a thing you don't like.
@@AidGum Velma isn’t just a thing I don’t like. It’s another thing where the creators don’t give a crap about what came before and are just using the original IP for money. Same for a lot of terrible reboots that completely miss the point and/or are cheaply made to make as much money as possible. Against things like that, nostalgia hate isn’t toxic, it’s justified.
I've been lucky enough to be nostalgic for things without being toxic about it (the transition between Spectacular Spider-Man and Ultimate Spider-Man cutting it close). Unfortunately, I've also seen toxic nostalgia kill my joy for a lot of newer versions I do enjoy, like the post-B:TAS Batman cartoons, Rise of the TMNT, the newer He-Man and She-Ra shows, etc. The overwhelming negative reception can kill a potential fanbase and makes it less enjoyable to engage in.
@Alexander Capanov Spawn came on when a lot of people didn't have or want HBO. Now with HBO Max such a show would shine. Companies need to learn to respect the niche that are willing to spend money over large audiences that haven't invested yet. They bet too much on money not spent yet too often alienating people that would have spent the money. That's how they make no money, when newer people aren't interested and fans walk away
This describes classic SMG4 fans so well Edit: I can see that people are misinterpreting this comment, I personally enjoy modern smg4 and this comment is about the extremely toxic classic smg4 fans
Exactly. I stopped watching him years ago because I just didn't think his content was worth my time anymore. With these people, there's always the option to just leave and unsubscribe. Some of these classic fans are like "why can't he make them like the classic videos?" Luke isn't a terminally online 12-year-old anymore. He's a grown man with a job in a career he likes.
I just dont watch em cause its just not what it was anymore... I can always rewatch the old ones. But i cannot watch his new crap. That and he became a sell out... Usually im never a fan of RUclipsrs going that route where they get sponsorships and sell themselves out...
Rise of the TMNT is awesome. The movie is phenomenal, as well. I went into it thinking I wasn't going to like it, but ended up enjoying it quite a bit.
Toxic nostalgia ruin shows like Rise of the tmnt, Be Cool Scooby Doo, and Legend of korra (well, mostly nickelodeon) from getting the recognition they deserve.
The concept of nostalgia has changed radically since the advent and advancement of the internet. Before the internet, things actually went away and faced the possibility of being lost or forgotten for decades or even forever, which made their re-discovery that much more potentially meaningful and precious. Now that everything can be documented and thrown on the pile of collected human knowledge, nothing ever really gets forgotten or goes away and thus nostalgia has fundamentally changed.
Chris Chan beating up and macing a GameStop employee because Chris Chan didn't like the fact that Sonics appearance was changed is one good example of the dark side of nostalgia in my opinion.
As a Trekkie, I can tell you that the toxic fandom can be there for Star Trek too! In 1987, Paramount announced Star Trek: The Next Generation. The Hardcore fanbase was up in arms! Mainly because it was not Kirk, Spock, and McCoy, the uniforms were different, the Enterprise was different! Johnathan Frakes (Who plays Will Riker) said that he was nervous attending his first Star Trek convention because of it! Thankfully, the fans there were respectful. Fast forward to the present, There was hate for the J.J. Abrams movies, when Discovery came out, people hated the style and the look of the Klingons, and then I saw so many videos of the hate of Lower Decks, saying, "Star Trek wouldn't be this funny!" Despite that show has been a love letter to the franchise as well as telling good stories!
So many people on the Internet waste so many hours of their lives arguing with other strangers about which version of their favorite cartoon, video game, or movie was the best. 😅
I always hated the toxic nostalgia fandom, not only for toxic, it's also a venomous brainwash to not think in our present and future, only get stacked in the past.
@@gandalflotr2898 They sound more like drug addicts to me 🤷♀️ The way they talk about how the old had a better effect than the new, like they're looking for the same high 😂😂😂
Yes. Nostalgia is a never ending driving force. You always going to have an attachment for things you love and if you don't like what's new on a base level that's just the feeling of being uncomfortable with change(which is understandable). We're all going to be biased about thing we hold close to some degree But at some point we all gotta try and enjoy the variety of these media structurs and tones learn to appreciate the good things that come out of them.
Absolutely - because nostalgia can definitely be a very powerful aspect of anyone's perspective. But it is what also creates amusement and recognition for how entertainment molds us into who we are - whether it would be anything Disney related or even something like going to arcades at malls (which my brother and I used to really enjoy back in the day). I remember when certain restaurants like pizza hut and dairy queen would have classic arcade games too. Fun times :)
Well reason why I say a lot of things are better than new is because the creativity and limitations back then to make games. Now you pay DLC to play a full game and top of, almost every game we play today started during the ps1/ps2 era.
This entire problem sums up the vitriol for when Monster High decided to reboot itself. People were making suicide threats over the fact that a character's skin tone changed from blue to pink. Don't you just love the internet?🤩 Also, I grew up on both 2003 and 2012 and I HEAVILY recommend Rise. It indisputably has the best animation.
I think it's cool that this is a game review channel, but with a bit of variety. J's channel was what got me interested in review channels about a year ago. I like hearing different perspectives about things I like, or even aspects of them I don't, and this video makes that all the more serendipitous
Nostalgia can be right or it can be done wrong. A perfect example of nostalgia being done right is No Way Home. Peter has his morals challenged by the old villians, and needs the past Spider-Man to help him. Also, William Defoe was freaking perfect. It took an idea that could have been just fan service nostalgia, and used it to craft an actual movie where the nostalgic elements were part of Peter's arc. However, nostalgia can also just be plain bad and repetitive. It wasn't a bad thing that the OG characters came back in The Force Awakens. However, I was a little miffed that they took so many plot elements from A New Hope, as that is just repetitive. However, I could sorta accept it as this movie was partially a nostalgia trip, less of a movie and more of an event. However, when the opening scroll to Episode 9 revealed that Palpatine was coming back, I nearly went to get my ticket refunded in the lobby. That screams "We don't want to do new things, like actually continue how Episode 8 set Kylo up as the big bad. We just want to regress". Another thing is video game remasters. Current consoles have a great amount of graphical fidelity, and I don't mind old classics getting a new coat of paint. However, it seems a little repetitive how TLOU has been released on the past 3 generations. They charge full price for it, too. However, at the same time, I can't help but think that the people who buy these remasters, who probably just want to see their favourite games in the best quality, do have a valid point. At the same time, there's nothing wrong with wanting new stuff. Tl:Dr good nostalgia and bad nostalgia. Good nostalgia is good in it's own right (and that doesn't include harmless blink-and-you'll-miss-it nods to the past), bad nostalgia is just not doing new things. Bottom line is that it's the quality of the product that matters.
Look no further than your average 80s geek. EVERYTHING nowadays is 80s this, 80s that. G1 Transformers are the only good version according to them, the only good Ninja Turtles are from ‘87 and so on. Toxic to the grave. And the worst thing is, it’s not stuck in the past, it’s very much the present because you walk down the toy aisle and see nothing but G1 inspired Transformers, 87 inspired turtles, Masters of the Universe, GIJoe etc.
Nostalgia should be about fondly looking back at how you experienced something without trampling on its current incarnation. I am happy that things like Star Wars, Tmnt and spider man for example can be enjoyed by kids now. Also good point about trolls who probably haven't even given a current incarnation a chance.
I feel like you've completely overlooked a major facet of this and perhaps it's because you're still relatively young. Shows and movies used to have a run and were done. With the rise of the never ending franchise we see new things being made for franchises and there is not just indifference to the source they're using, but outright disrespect. Disney Star Wars movies aren't just bad, they actively insult fans of the original. Teen Titans Go goes out of its way to get extra hate because it, again, actively insults fans of the original. These newer versions of things will often make changes on a whim and when they come under criticism, they attack the fans that made it possible for them to exist to begin with. Any criticism of a modern product is now met with insults and insistence that the old versions were actually terrible. This does seem to very much be a generational gap thing as well. I see this a lot with 2 big franchises I like and have been a part of since their inception, Pokemon and Yu-Gi-Oh. Try to point out something bad about a new Pokemon game and you'll encounter zoomers telling you how the original Pokemon games are trash. They don't seem to understand how the hardware and videogames were constantly improving back then and they certainly don't understand what it was like to have lived in that time. They'll go on about how great the newest game is and say that the originals were garbage because the Missingo glitch existed. Then they'll take it a step further and insult the people who made the franchise a success to begin with, without whom, they wouldn't even have their modern game to get excited about consooming. With Yu-Gi-Oh, I've seen Yugitubers claim that Yu-Gi-Oh was a terrible cardgame up until 2008 when it magically got good. 2008. So we were all just playing a terrible cardgame for 6 freakaing years because... no reason. I guess we were all just big dumb idiots. It couldn't possibly be because the game was actually fun. A series that actually gets it right is Cobra Kai. At no point does it disrespect its source material or the people who were fans of The Karate Kid. It values it, and its fans, as it builds upon it to tell new stories with new characters and the show is a 10/10 as a result. It's the standard that multi-generational franchises should be held up to, but instead we get the Disney Star Wars standard more often than not, where you're insulted for liking the original and not like the new thing. So that talentless hacks can hide behind insult slinging instead of owning up to having made a terrible movie/show/game. We've got midgets standing on the shoulders of giants and then those midgets are mocking the giants and calling them short, thinking that they're just naturally that tall and high up on their own.
The whole "Pokemon was never good because the first JP-only games were broken and the first english ones were still buggy" is really tired by now. It completely ignores both sides of the actual arguments being made.(Being that the games back then clearly attempted to do decently big jumps with each generation and even mid-generation and that seemingly mysteriously vanished when the games jumped onto the switch and that the visuals and technical stability somehow get worse the more advanced the gameplay and graphics get. It's just meant to be an observation under the intention of wanting better quality next time, neither a smear towards how good the games are otherwise nor fuel to say all Poke-games suck.)
That’s what I’ve been saiyan, Teen Titans Go is just a wacky parody. It’s like animated parodies such as Sonic Shorts, you would normally let slide on RUclips. But it being official suddenly means it needs to be bashed for some critics.
It’s a terrible show for idiots who think “waffles” are funny. It’s only merit is that it’s a Teen Titans show, it has nothing to offer but a few cheesy 4th wall breaking jokes about DC.
As a fan of the Wolfman/Pérez New Teen Titans run in the early 80s, I find TTG to be refreshing and often hilarious. I didn’t think I’d like it, but I really do.
Rise of the tmnt came out during my "it's not what I grew up with so it's bad" phase. But after actually giving it a chance I found out that it's actually not that bad, it does a lot of things I really like and hope to see in future tmnt projects.
Fine, how's this for leverage! The movie was spectacular and I'm glad to see Leo trying to be leader. The series is just not my thing. Sorry. Deal with it. You can't change people's minds to get them to like what you like. That ain't how it works.
I grew up in the 80's.. and a lot of the stuff we had were... STUPID. I didn't know at the time, but I was fortunately able to look back I don't think Nostalgia can become toxic... people are toxic, they just spread it around into other elements of their lives.
I agree with that actually. Every fanbase has a community full of toxic people. It's a matter what their actions affect that particular fanbase. An example of that is MLP. A majority of people in that fanbase have had a bad reputation of being represented as pedophiles or furries mainly for its main demographic.
People keep saying cartoons were better in the 80s. Having grown up in that decade, that's a straight up LIE. A lot of those cartoons insulted kids' intelligence.
@@Nintendofan781 Of what I have seen, because of how the new MLP G5 is currently being handled, the MLP fanbase's reputation of having those pedophiles and the bad part of furry fandom is quickly becoming inconsequential every passing month. To put it simply, MLP G5 is becoming a sinking ship quality-wise, which is causing a lot of the old fans being repelled away, which most likely definitely includes the toxic side of the fandom (unless if they sick around due to nostalgia). In a way, MLP G5 is creating this cleansing situation due to the low-quality content it is providing, and I guess everyone can take it for what they will with the thing that's currently going on over there.
@@teddybeer6206 I was a 90s kid so I missed out on the 80s cartoons but yeah, I was always perplexed when people would say that about thoe cartoons. I think maybe it was just the sense of excitement when watching their favorite cartoons like He-Man and Transformers. The marketing to sell toys was huge in that time.
i want a Sly 5 not just for nostalgia but for that fact that Sly is canonically trapped in the past and has this absolutely horrible ending to his life that he doesn't deserve. and on top of that this also pretty much much Ends the cooper lineage because he hasn't had a kid yet and probably wont because well never get a 5. it makes me super sad to think that this isn't just how sly ends but how the coopers end.
I'm in my mid 20's so I grew up with the original Teen Titans and the 2000's Turtles, but I can't say I personally felt hurt by the newer versions. Admittedly TT Go wasn't my thing most of the time, but there's been episodes I unashamedly loved...The Night Begins To Shine is still a catchy song that lives rent free in my head. Point is I wish more of us were open to the future renditions, because their existence doesn't overwrite what we like.
Honestly my biggest problem with TTG was when they dedicated episodes to bait and make fun of fans of the original cartoon. Other than that I didn't care.
I grew up watching walking with dinosaurs as a kid, and i still get goosebumps and chills when I watch the series again to hear the incredible narration, the sound effects, and the mesmerizing music. When Prehistoric Planet was announced in 2021, my mind was completely blown off. But when I watch the series in 2022, I felt a little underwhelmed because it didn't have a set story of a specific dinosaur like walking with dinosaurs. But after re-watching prehistoric planet over and over again, I started to vibe with it's structure which made it a better show for me and I consider to be a classic documentary despite it being new. Old is gold, but new can be good stew.
Oddly enough J… I actually prefer these videos talking about general internet topics as opposed to game reviews. That’s not to say I dislike the game reviews, but as a Journalist and content creator myself… I find Nostalgia as “winning but at what cost”. Nostalgia can be effective and great to have but only if the inclusion or existence is warranted in the first place. I love seeing references or callbacks, or revivals of older characters coming back but it has to have a level where it doesn’t feel like blatant fan service. Good examples of Nostalgia that I’ve experienced is the returnal of the Original Spider Men in NWH as we’ve been waiting decades to see Tobey and Andrew again, and their overall inclusion in the movie felt worth while and important. I also loved the callbacks in Sonic Frontiers which gave the game this sense of bigger world building without treating their games like canon sequels the whole way through… and lastly I even like seeing iconic IPs join major cross over games like Smash Bros or Dead By Daylight as long as they feel they have a REASON to be there. Obviously the big elephant in the room can be Disney and how they have a major nostalgia problem. Making mediocre or unnecessary sequels, lifeless and lackluster live action remakes… and even the MCU and Star Wars can’t even escape as their stories have concluded and the franchises were done. Nostalgia is not a bad thing, but think of it like an old best friend. It may be great to see them again, and remember the good times you had with them… but as we grow older… as we grow up… nothing lasts forever. And we have to move on… create our new stories… and explore newer horizons. That’s the point of life… and that’s the point *Nostalgia*… to love what we have… but look forward to the newer things coming…
Nostalgia is like pride as someone else stated It's perfect to be proud of yourself and your legacy, but as soon as pride begins to take control of your life decisions you're heading towards disaster
I think a big part is that only the best media survives the test of time. Everyone remembers the classics that revolutionized the industry, and even some of the absolute trainwrecks that are so bad they are fun to watch. But no one remembers the thousands of uninspired, unremarkable, boring pieces of media made mostly for a quick buck. People in the future will look back at Breaking Bad, Better Call Saul, The Walking Dead and other gems and mourn the death of the Television industry, completely ignoring the vast majority of mind numbing, pure filler shows.
I agree Man, I for one am glad this "prequel hatred" crap is over for the most part. A lot of the people who hated on the prequels in the late 2000's and early 2010's were toxic as hell. Heck if you watch any of those old reviews that hate on the prequels, the critics have no idea what they are talking about.
Nostalgia can be a double-edged sword, it's great for reliving memories but it can also cloud your judgment of recent products. Sometimes you'll get folks who are nostalgia blind, viewing certain shows, movies or video games in a way that's borderline obsessive, often refusing to see the dark truth and refusing to move on from the past. And that's *really* scary to me, just knowing that one wrong move and *BOOM!* Suddenly you're going on a tangent all about how this old thing is better than the new version not realizing that the new version is just that year's version of what you're obsessing over. You still have that old version of your favorite show, movie or video game. It's not like the newest iteration is replacing it. It does cause some problems though considering how often some series will just reuse their name with the only way to tell it apart is via the year it came out in.
This was a very mature video. Especially the tidbit "Things change and often without an explanation. And we aren't owed one either.". This is something I use to struggle with in the past in my 20's.
also, it ruined my childhood argument. I didn't grow up on Teen Titans Go so it didn't ruin my childhood, and why would it. you cant look at it as a reboot, sequel or continuation because its none of these things.
@@bakedbeans5494Okay but to say it does just because it “ruined your childhood” is a very silly way to. I think that what this person mean to say. Nobody say that you have to like TTG. Just don’t use nostalgia if you’re going to criticize of it.
"Things Changed" was more or less a goodbye message from the team to the fans. What sucked was what they did with Terra, which probably confused a lot of viewers.
@@scottylewis8124 Yeah, not only was it shown in J’s vid. But just check any clip on YT (that has comments on) or on Twitter and you’ll see people STILL demanding that the show end and to give the og series a season 6, or that it “ruined their childhood”. It’s pathetic really.
I find it insane I’ve watched RUclips since I was like 10 years old back in 07’ and now have probably a 1000 Channels I’m subbed to but I can still watch a random person with a thumbnail that looks and sounds interesting and instantly notice “wow, they are really well spoken and are actually trying” and can stay, appreciate, and learn something from the video instead of it being some mindless content before bed. The title sounds really convoluted, but you navigated it so well I remembered wow this was the guy with only a couple hundred K subs that is really well spoken! Props to you man for making such great stuff so consistently and tackling really nuanced material with ease.
Khary Payton has actually changed his stance about Teen Titans Season 6 since that interview in 2017. He's actually open to it, his Stance on the episode is pretty similar but he understands the feedback for it better I feel.
I’m surprised you didn’t even talk about Transformers. The community is so torn between The Bayformers Era, The G1 Era, and now The Evergreen Era. When Bumblebee came out, it was well praised. But afterwards came a drought of content, with only Cyberverse, Battlegrounds, and the terrible Netflix trilogy. People realized that perhaps despite all of it’s flaws. The Bayformers era was when Transformers fans were eating good. And let’s not get started on the dark side of The G1 Community
To this day I will never understand why people treat Sonic Boom Rise of Lyric likes its a mainstream Sonic game. It was a shitty side series that had a funny show. Like what did people expect???? I don’t care about the big advertising and merch, I knew from the beginning it was going to be a low budget side game like a licensed movie game.
I'm actually pretty neutral when it comes to nostalgic things. There are things from my childhood that still hold up well to this day that I can enjoy even now, as a 19-year-old, and there are some things from my childhood that haven't aged well that I don't consider myself a fan of anymore. There are some older things from before my time that I didn't grow up with, but I can still enjoy them, and finally, there are things that I haven't grown up with that I don't like, but the lack of nostalgia is NOT why I dislike them. It all comes down to: "Is this piece of media actually good or not?" I can like old things and still enjoy and be invested in modern things that are currently out right now, and will be in the future. I'm not an old-head who just acts like the things I grew up with were all perfect, but I'm also not someone who thinks all the modern things are amazing, and anything over ten years old isn't as good or just straight up bad. I'm not saying everyone should be like me, but I think a lot of these fandoms would be a lot more chill if people were a lot more willing to be open-minded to things and just focus on the actual quality of the movies, tv shows, video games, music, etc., and not just the nostalgia or what year you were born or whatever. For example, I really don't have any nostalgia for the Sonic Adventure games, but it doesn't matter to me, because I just think those games are really good. On the other side of the coin, there are old things that I don't like, not because I'm "too young to understand them", but because I just don't think they are well executed. There are plenty of new shows that are coming out that I think are amazing, but that doesn't mean I can't go back and watch old shows and enjoy them. For example, I really enjoy shows like The 4400, Power Rangers Lost Galaxy, and Flight 29 Down (among many others). All shows that came out either before I was born, or when I was still in diapers. Nostalgia is nice, but I don't think it should make or break a movie, show, or game, and as far as I'm concerned, I don't know anyone else who is neutral to nostalgia like me. I'm not saying I'm the only one on the planet who thinks like this, but I think people should realize this, as not to fall into that trap of being an old-age purist, or a new-age purist.
There are plenty of people who can be mutual and reflective with nostalgia. The comments are a very small portion of all people who watch content and it shows most people watch without needing to chime in on something. So of course those that do seem to be on one of two extremes with few in the center. But over all yes being able to look back at things for what they actually were, and cherish those moments is a healthy form of nostalgia. It allows to look back while still being able to enjoy new things. For me the most irritating is those that have become so stuck and over dosed on nostalgia they become nihilist. To the point anything new by default is bad. Or people convince themselves of false realities.
The reason why people hate on games they didn't play or movies they didn't see is they don't want to support things they don't like. I feel the best way to know if ud like or dislike something is to watch a review to see what YOU think not the reviewer. It's good to watch multiple of reviews especially one that likes the film and one that doesn't then just figure if u like it or not
I think one of the worst fandoms for nostalgia is God of War. Fans of the old games will constantly hate on the newer games for trivial shit, like not having enough action (which was never the point) while also overanalysing the old games to the point where you just sit back in amazement. It's honestly funny just how far they'll go to justify their nostalgia.
The people claiming that Rise of the TMNT is the worst TMNT has obviously not watched Next Mutation (which I admittedly like). Also I’m still hoping we get a continuation of the Teen Titans series. That and Samurai Jack were the only two shows I wanted to see proper endings for, and we’ve already gotten Samurai Jack so now I just wait for the other. I’m probably waiting for nothing, but I don’t care.
Honestly, I don't have much to say other than I feel vindicated watching this. I've shared similar opinions towards media for years, with the same vapid arguments, biases, ignorance, and the unwillingness to let go and move on.
Thanks man, I'm a 90's kid and I'm tired of people telling me I suppose to hate new things. Some are good, some are bad, and some are just fair for their time
I was born in 1981 and I also don't stay stuck in the past. Splatoon, that's not nostalgic to me - that's fresh to me! Spider-Man: Into the Spider-Verse? I hated superheroes as a kid, so no nostalgia there. Set in the modern era with a new art and animation style, I absolutely love it! I'm glad to see fresh new ideas being done.
Nostalgia is a lot like pride, perfectly fine in small doses, healthy even, but it becomes a big problem when allowed to grow out of control and dominate one's actions, opinions, and life.
It's a very dangerous drug
even in small dosses nostalgia is cancer.
@@jlev1028 I don't understand.
@@rafresendenrafresenden.1644 what did you enjoy when you were a kid?
@@jlev1028I just move from the past. I can't go back.
Remember,
Nostalgia is loving something old, not hating something new
Spongebob being an example on how that’s been refined
@toastyboi
exactly
Depends, some new shit is straight awful garbage 🗑️
Oh no, my dislike for new things has nothing to do with nostalgia. New things are just bad.
Eh, new stuff will be old one day and trash and forgotten compared to stuff that came before it. Facts. If it sucks it sucks. And older stuff isn’t better because it’s old its better because it just was better. Pizza is old but it’s still one of the best foods. And top foods. 🍕
Nostalgia makes people close minded about new things. People are terrified of change now.
People are always terrified of change, it's been in history forever, change in anything is feared, has been, always will be. I don't just mean in media, I mean in anything.
nothing truly changes at all, if something tries to change too much to being unidentifiable, maybe that's too much of an problem, pokemon - sonic - star wars - halo, never changed too much, the fans are just guilty of wanting to live inside a pokemania-like bubble with those franchises, if that's the case, then the nintendo switch's fan image is a good example, of the former's not living in that phase
Grew up with 2003, remember 2012 getting a lot of hate, and Rise still gets hate even by the 2012 fans who used to hate it. The cycle repeats
Strange since TheCartoonGamer did say that Rise of the Ninja Turtles actually had a rise (no joke) in terms of having a dedicated fanbase (the movie as far as I heard actually did well).
Kinda reminds me of my story with the TMNT since I grew up with the 1980s turtles and 2003 and when 2012 came around I wasnt liking how they made the turtles say Booyakasha when its Cowabunga (didnt realize it was like the 2003 show where they were trying to move on from the 1980s incarnation) as well as the way the turtles acted not like brothers but more like how shows nowadays does comedy. Be mean spirited, non humble, Rick and Morty types of toxic where theyre husks of themselves since I saw Raph, Leo and Donnie shush Mikey in the most infamous way possible when I saw footage of them back at SDCC.
Then came 2014 Tmnt with Michael Bay (cause everybody hates Michael Bay for what he did to Transformers and almost TMNT) and now we had two reboots that were inconsistant with each other. I was thinking the Ninja Turtle fans would never find peace and back in 2014, the Mikey meme caused alot of fans and such to blow up because it "raped" their childhood.
HOWEVER, after seeing the film a bit at my local KMart and seeing footage of the Michael Bay produced TMNT and seeing the turtles as well as Raph being a good brother, I was starting to reconsider my actions since this toxic thinking led me to believe the Live Action 2014 movie wasnt as bad as people thought it was.
By the time that I was in Hawaii, I went to the Toys R Us there and still saw TMNT 2014 and really rethought about my way of thinking and gave in.
The TMNT 2014 movie, while not perfect or the greatest movie ever, reconnected my love to TMNT, especially made me love Raph even more (Raph and Mikey are my Turtles since Im the hardhead but also love a good party). Heck I loved all the turtles and after that movie, I never thought negative again about TMNT and actually support the next incarnation since its sequel was even better (I wont be supporting the Seth Rogan movie, he did Sausage Party and read about what he did during his "Invincible" show, which is why I dislike Robert Kirkman since he hurted the fans of Walking Dead Live Action and to me is a dangerous guy since he hired Justin Roiland *ahem Going to face trial for what he did to his animators ahem* and to me, no thanks I dont support bad creators).
Still, I would rather watch 2017 Rise of Ninja Turtles than what is gonna happen to that Seth Project.
Sorry for the long thing, but I needed to tell the story of how I overcame toxicity (even in shows that arent like the others).
Thank you for reading.
Yup. I admit I was guilty as well when it came to hating the 2012 Turtles even before watching it. I grew up with the 03 Turtles, and thought the 2012 series was a "replacement". Then I actually watched it. And honestly, it's just as good. Maybe not better. But far better than I ever thought.
There was nothing more frustrating than being a tmnt fan in 2018 when rise was released, we were being handed the greatest tmnt cartoon ever crafted and the fanbase just squandered the fuck out of the moment
while I wasn't the biggest fan of rise's choices, I love the animation, and appreciate that they made a show that was unique, like a good chunk of adaptations of the turtles whether it be movies, shows or even the comic, there's usually at least one big difference.
the idw series, which is considered definitive ninja turtle comic to get into, has the turtles and splinter be reincarnations of 4 students and their master back in ancient japan, (I haven't got into the comics yet, but I'm sure they're still mutants though, so it isn't that ridiculous)
I grew up on 2012, but I found the 2003 show when I was watching Turtles Forever back when it was on youtube. this was obviously before 2012. but I like both a lot and Rise gets a pass from me, my only real complaint is the fact that they don't use their classic weapons anymore, and donnie just rockin' a tech stick.
I didn't watch much of 2003 TMNT at all, and the Turtles Forever episode was really awkward and unpleasant to watch and that was at the time it came out. However, I also like what 2012 did in general and I would like to see episodes I missed if the mood strikes me. And I grew up on 1987 Turtles. ;)
Nostalgia can be a weird feeling. I think it’s best to move on and find new things you like while still treasuring the old from time to time
It can be a very dangerous drug
Sorry. But gaming sucks today. And there is absolutely nothing wrong with playing old games or shows.
The gaming may suck today.
But we'll have to call you an oldy who likes old technology who relies on extremely slow dials.
@Alexander Capanov and I agree with you. The last generation where I was excited about the hobby was the 7th and even then it was starting to decline. What with the overabundance of call of duty influence in everything and the focus on hyper-realism.
8th gen was okay, switch sort of carried it. Aside from Metroid I personally do not think the titles Nintendo put out were improvements to the series they released titles for such as Mario and Zelda.
Now the 9th generation I haven't been compelled to even bother buying a console at all and switched to PC gaming where I just play old titles. Games I'm interested in now are so few and far between it's not even worth it and when I am interested it's mildly at best.
@@ralcolfwolfcoon8207 I understand modern gayming is in hot sh!t, nowadays. Seeing bunches of corpos go ... well ... full-on corpo is really depressing to me, but that doesn't change the fact that there's still more good new games have been released. Just don't give those corpos money and use them to support devs that cared about their product and you're golden.
Wish I can say the same to those normies who kept on buying Madden every year.
Sometimes the nostalgia is a deadly illness in the internet and in real-life.
I agree nostalgic fan are like those religious people
Nostalgia is irrational, and don’t pretend that you’re not irrational either.
I used to think nostalgia was purely good because it made me feel warm and grateful for the life I’ve lived. However, at 24 years old I realized how paralyzing a feeling it can be if not regulated. It has discouraged me from growing and maturing in certain areas and has hindered my ability to feel excited about a new future. Worst of all, nostalgia distracts you from living in the beauty of the present because of how good it feels to live in a romanticized past.
as someone who thinks too much about the future, I agree. I was born in 2002 (21 and turning 22 this year) I will cherish the things that gave me joy but It doesn't mean the new stuff can't do the same.
I feel you I’m 26 (born 1998) and the whole “Generation debates” like “Millennials had the best this” or “Gen Z had the best that” is toxic too. I hate how people act like whatever generation Pew labels your birth year as, people act like you HAVE to like just Music/Shows/Trends from that era but truthfully while I’m Gen Z by Pew and like a lot of Gen Z shows/music, I also like a lot of Millennial shows/music and even Gen X too but when I listen or watch them, I try to do it casually instead of ruminating on it
Nostalgia is poisoning culture by not letting new stuff being made
Agreed! Even though nostalgia by itself isn't bad, it's how you use it that can be a poison.
EDIT: Oh hey 21 likes!
Exactly, the magic school bus reboot trailer couldn’t stand a chance against the nostalgia nerds struggling to except the fact that kids these days have a childhood as well.
@@idontknow20404I hate the nostalgia it's bad and toxic
@@idontknow20404And of course they are the toxic og fans
@@idontknow20404i think u mean accept dumbass
Man, it's crazy how Colors is pretty much going through the exact phase the Adventure games had in the 2010's where every reviewer and Sonic fan on the internet just parroted the same "it's not as good as you think, it's just your nostalgia clouding it" rhetoric. And the biggest thing about this are the people who say this are the same ones who will get upset that Game Grumps ruined the Adventure games and Sonic's reputation.
The 3D sonic games have now gained this weird cycle.
Adventure/Colours redefined the tone & style of the series after it began falling into irrelevance from mediocre games. Positively received at the time, exclusives to their consoles but have received a botched port & a modern audience thinks they’ve aged poorly.
Adventure 2/Generations is the anniversary game & regarded as one of the best in the series. But they also introduce things that’ll negatively effect future instalments.
Heroes/Lost World is the weird, divisive entry that tries a new gameplay style whilst mixing old & new.
Shadow/Rise of Lyric is the shitty spin off.
06/Forces is the one that returns to the old gameplay style but is rushed & “ruined the series”.
Unleashed/Frontiers tries a brand new gameplay formula that’ll define future games but is held back by issues that have plagued past games.
What TF are you talking about?
Reviewers (including youtubers) still defend and praise Sonic colors (whilst they openly trash on the Adventure games).
Was that not obvious enough with the release of Colors Ultimate?
I wish Sonic Colors would get the same treatment the Adventure games got in the 2010s.
But that's not gonna happen.
People are just being more open about why they don't like the game.
They're not running smear campaigns against it using the unpatched Switch version and pretending it was "always this bad".
Edit: And considering most of Colors' praises were blatant lies.
Lies about it just being "the daytime stages from Sonic Unleashed", lies about it being a "3D Sonic game".
I'd say the backlash was a long time coming.
And don't get me started on how it supposedly "saved the franchise" (what a joke XD).
Play the DS version, DIMPS actually did a good job on that one.
That game is dogshit, was in 2010, is now.
No nostalgia required, a shitty game, with a shitty story that set a shitty boring as all get out trend for a franchise that was previously interesting.
@@kingbash6466 Doesn’t help either that even as a fan of colors, the way sega itself has hyped the game up in the past as a “true transition to 3D” has probably ruined the game a lot for some people, who feel that the adventure games were way better in comparison.
But yeah, you aren’t wrong when you mention that it’s bizarre how colors has retroactively became the “Sonic Adventure” of the modern era. I mean, shit, it even has the port that somewhat ruins the base game a bit.
@@kingbash6466 I'm assuming these negative reviews are ones from smaller channels.
Because almost all the big mainstream channels seem to have a positive stance on colors.
I guess I see what you mean about an upsurge in negative comments on Colors.
I think it's different however.
It's more so the 2000s fans after years of experiencing belittlement, and gaslighting from the gaming community at large (reviewers and youtubers combined with their followers mostly).
And dealing with the endless double standards.
Having lost their patience, and just going on the offensive.
It's not ideal.
But it's certainly not the same as for example what Game Grumps did to the Adventure games (and by some extension Heroes).
This is accurate to a lot of fandoms in almost every way possible.
Some facts.
True they acting like religious zealots
@@gandalflotr2898 I see that a lot with the new remake era, with Dead Space, RE4 and Silent Hill 2
It’s funny because I genuinely like all of them while recognising strengths and weaknesses (well I hope I will like SH2R)
But the discourse around it is just going into tiniest, most ridiculous details to prove that X is better and Y is shit
I’m getting tired of online communities…
No doubt.
To quote Hop Pop about it: I don't feel safe!
This is why I love Samurai Champloo. . .
The whole point of the show is to illustrate that journeys have endings! At the end of every episode, a side character would remark how they’d meet the trio again, but the audience knows it’s never going to happen.
By the end of the show, the trio go their own separate ways. No cliffhanger, no season 2, no spin offs, no movies. Just the end of a beautiful journey!
Classic show
And even nowadays people keep begging for endless sequels to games left and right.
Same with avatar not counting korra
@@CarbonRollerCaco facts kinda wish last of us didn’t get a sequel
Always good to see Samurai Champloo getting some love. One of my all time favorite anime.
I personally hate feeling nostalgia. It is the most unpleasant and painful feeling I have ever experienced. That feeling that everything was better in the past, that time is passing very quickly and remembering the moments that will never come back. It makes me want to cry every time I remember events from the past. That's why I always avoid thinking about them.
Nostalgia is a blessing and a curse. It's great that you have fond memories towards something you saw in your childhood. Heck, I even revisited a few things from my childhood, but if you obsess over things from your past, then it might cause some trouble.
Just like religion
people need to learn that new can be good too. I blame the fandoms,they are gatekeepy.
@@aporue5893 just like I said they acting like religious people
This argument really PLAGUES the cartoon/animation community. Anything that is brought back for a new generation gets TORN TO SHREDS… Even when they make a original thing (like they always argue they should do) either they 1. don’t watch it, or 2. Shit on it too no end… You sadly can’t win with some people.
You do win, it's just they keep grasping at straws despite the fact that they lost.
Case in point: the foreclosure of Blue Sky Studios and the Cartoon Community's response two years since Disney posted that announcement across social media.
Bittersweet as it was to see a recently acquired Fox asset sacrificed for the sake of Disney recouping profit they lost throughout 2020 and early 2021, there are more constructive methods of honoring Blue Sky's legacy than creating fan petitions out of spite toward the Mouse House.
Those people aren't looking for new things for themselves; they just don't want others enjoying "bastardizations" that could give "false impressions" of the past. Real or perceived. They're basically saying to put modern creative energy elsewhere so they can dunk on it instead of fear it.
I was a kid when teen titans go came out I hated the show as I didn't like bathroom humour but I was disappointed that there wasn't more substance to the show like the original show
Nostalgia like a lot of things are a double edged sword. They can help strengthen the present and future, but also expose what is lacking from what's being dug up and used in the present.
I only recently became a massive fan of Teen Titans, and I can understand the purpose of the final episode, but to me I wanted to see what happens after a teenager learns all there lessons. I wanted to see the Titans grow into young adulthood, I wanted to see Star Fire get her own season and arc, I wanted to see Beast Boy move on and find a deeper connection with Raven. Trouble in Tokyo did do a bit of this, but it was mainly for Robin and Star Fire. I want to see all the characters I fell in love with continue on their ever changing journey. At the very least, I would want this continued in an official comic or a video game. Overall though great video expressing an important topic. I have a heart for nostalgia, but I'm becoming more excepting of new things.
@@uanime1 Yeah. There's a fan comic called Things Change Continues that I see as the true ending of Season 5. It adds to original ending in a way that feels natural and satisfying while still keeping the message from Things Change intact.
We could've had the original show come back, but instead we got... that other show that still running for whatever reason.
@@PlahaKumar Apparently, they have no intention of bringing it back because that's how it was supposed to end
Young Justice
@@uanime1 Yeah, there's always that moment where we realize what we love is growing up with us. Nothing stays young forever.
Reminds me of when Legends, Battle Network or Starforce came out. A lot of older fans were complaining that "that wasnt true MegaMan", when the classic and X series were dying out of fatigue and lack of quality.
Ironically now Megaman fans want the return of them. Especially legends left on a cliffhanger and star force had a cancelled fourth game. This is especially true when u see the amount of praise fans have when the battle network series is coming to switch
I would love to see a brand new megaman series and am looking forward to BN collection!
Tbh, the RPGs still feel very far removed from the "main essence" of Megaman in a way from a conceptual standpoint. Does not mean that either is better or worse for it tho.
I was a kid when Legends came out and I played it around the same time as I had played X4. I love them both and combined with Mega Man: Battle & Chase, they were big for me becoming a Mega Man fan.
Yeah, I remember someone even saying that the Battle Network games were commercial failures and that the anime and merchandise kept the series alive. Like, how much do you have to hate something to spread misinformation about it? Battle Network 4 is the third best-selling game in the franchise for crying out loud.
Nostalgia is an eternal cycle of "old thing good, new thing bad", that forgots that eventually new things become old.
A new version of a popular franchise like He-Man, Power Rangers, Ninja Turtles and Pokémon comes, old fans say it sucks, then that version becomes old, and now it gets people saying how good it was and the newer versions are the ones who suck.
This is why I believe that we can still enjoy nostalgia, but have it in moderation so that it won’t consume us (lack of a better word) to the point where we end up becoming bitter about anything in the present
Honestly this is a big reason why I don't like to participate in much online discourse anymore, just enjoy what I enjoy largely in private
The thing I hate most about these kinds of people? Not even willing to argue about it. They always give some vague statement about why the old stuff is better but god forbid someone wants to challenge them: they turn away and don’t even respond. It’s like they think they exist in this bubble where their opinions are fact, and it really pisses me off
exactly, always seeing themselves as right and the worst type of them are the ones that gatekeep things like music saying "new generations would never understand" as if their nostalgia is limited to a certain age
Even Sakurai, the director of a series that fundamentally relies on nostalgia, has come out more than once telling people that they need to let go of the past, and enjoy the now.
Also people need to stop pestering him for joke characters in Smash
Fucking ironic, considering he refuses to actually rework horribly dated characters in Smash.
Are you for real?
@@TheRealZXXZ - He has his reasons to keep already established characters consistent.
And that's quite rich of you, when referring to someone who introduced so many new mechanics with the latest characters.
He didn't mean to fully let go of it, but rather find things to enjoy regardless of period when you can, and do what you can when you can in general. He still laments past mistakes of his, you know.
@@julianx2rl What reason could he have to keep Mega Man mute, especially when the original Smash was the first game to cast Makiko Ohmoto as the rarely-before heard Kirby and the never-before-heard Ness? Full tilt retro nostalgia? That became impossible the instant Mega Man got the FLAME SWORED as a normal. Shitty MM8 voice? Not the fault of the idea of Mega Man being voiced; Powered Up proved it can work. Mega Man being a robot? Certainly sounds like it could be the case considering how lifeless he looks in Smash while the old sprites had FAR more life to them. And wasn't he supposedly inspired by the Archie comic crossover with Sonic? Mega Man talked as much as anyone else there. And it doesn't matter that he only got a couple of lines in MM6's intro out of all the NES games; MEGA MAN WAS NEVER CANONICALLY MUTE. Yes, I appreciate some of the older MM game endings being told without dialogue, but that's not an index to canon traits no matter what Sega would want you to believe.
I grew up with the 2003 TMNT animated series, but in the age of 26 I have come to love the Rise TMNT a lot more, and would actually prefer to rewatch that series over the 2003 one. There's something about how Rise changed the core dynamics of the turtles to become more like a family unit, and how individualized each turtle were written and designed. We don't even have to bring up the animation. The Rise series simply executes all the advantages of what animation as a medium can offer for entertainment.
However, there is an advantage that I like with how 2003 TMNT was produced back in the day. Because it was greenlit for television during its era, it was created with a 22-minute runtime, which I prefer to see for the episodes I want to watch over just 11 minutes. The prior one just allows more breathing room for the story to play out, and 2003 TMNT was also written a tighter, more compelling narrative that run for each season (at least in the earlier seasons).
the rise crew were pushed back at every second by nick, the show was completely hated by nick, they never attempted to advertise it, they cut it super short )meant to habe 5-7 seasons), the writers werent allowed to wriet it bow they wanted, amd oberall the show for ficked over,
This was an extremely well made video.
The clip with Cyborg's voice actor talking about how people desire closure but sometimes real life just doesn't work that way was very intelligently worded.
Also @ around 18:35 your comments about people obsessing over hating things that weren't meant for you and never were really hit home for me.
I'm only a few years older than you and as a kid, around age 12, in 2007 my first RUclips channel I'd ever watched was Cinemassacre with the Angry Video Game Nerd show. I watched that show for years and loved it until around 2017 when I noticed the quality start to decline. Fast forward to 2019 and I'd found a subreddit that was basically like an over-exaggerated criticism sub for Cinemassacre.
It was filled with other people, in their 20s, who watched James'(the AVGN) videos through childhood and noticed the drop in quality as adults. I used this sub for around 3 years but lost interest in it around a year ago.
I've come to realize, as an adult, that the Angry Video Game Nerd show was never targeted towards kids. It was never meant for me. It was targeted towards people around James' age, and by continually and obsessively hating the new content I'm doing myself a disservice by ruining my old memories of what I enjoyed as a child because, like you said, obsession with the "back in my day" thinking just leads to endless negativity and a worse perception of something I actually enjoyed as child.
I seldom ever leave comments on RUclips, and I know this is kinda long, but the things you said and showed in this video had a profound effect on my thought process. This video was tremendously enlightening. Thank you for making this.
Glad to see this had such a positive impact. I wasn't sure what people were going to say about this video, but a lot of people are resonating. I know exactly what you are talking about, with a lot of things like I said in the video, but the AVGN is another example. I got into it late, summer of 2013 I spent most of my time binging those videos again and again. I was never super invested in the controversy, I had already stopped watching for the same kind of reasons, but I understand where you are coming from and I am glad you are on the other side, I know someone who was super invested in that drama and so, I get it.
Cyborg's voice actor is right about how life works with its lack of closure, BUT, stories are not life. Life is unpredictable and unknown, but stories are written out and planned. A good story should have a satisfying ending and that last episodes of Teen Titan was not a good ending at all. I'm not even talking about the message of it. I mean that it was unclear that the show was ending with it. It felt like a cliffhanger setting up a fresh plot hook. That's fine for when you have more episodes on the horizon, but not when you know it's all over.
@@rishnix Then you missed the point entirely. The ending was disappointing on first watch through, yes, but on repeat watches it's better because they didn't sloppily wrap things up. I can look back on it now as a better developed person and say "It's a bit of a downer, but i'm glad it ended like this" because that's just how life is, and art imitating life is my shit.
@@wrathfulgaming3373 Art imitating life is fine and all, but to do it with an animated show that embraces that it’s fiction and brought warmth to many generations is bound to not sit right with many.
@@JsReviewsYou look like the type of guy who would be a brony
Being a 90's kid (born in 1986) its almost humorus to me to see how the people that grew up with 00's stuff are nowadays saying the exact same things about modern incarnations of long-running franchises that my generation said about the 00's stuff that they love. Teen Titans is a great example. I can inform everyone that back in the day, teenage and adult DC comics fans were saying that the Teen Titans tv show was a childish insult to the original comics and that it wasnt as good as other DC animated shows that were current or recent at the time such as Justice League. "Teen Titans is an embaressment, it's a childish show exclusively for kids, it ruins any attempt at drama with cringy, un-funny comedy"" was what people my age used to say. Oh and dont get me started on the hate against Sponegbob Squarepants "It's the most overrated, most overexposed cartoon of all time" people would say. But children loved it, and those children have now grown up and declared it a comedic masterpiece, as it seems to have almost the same standing among that generation that The Simpsons has among my generation. And this cycle will repeat. Everyone above the age of 13 seem to hate the Disney Star Wars trilogy, but in 20 years you are without a doubt going to see tons and tons of videos on "Why the sequel trilogy is actually really good". I mean dont get me wrong, personally I think those movies are bad (and I think the same about the prequel trilogy) but I'm just saying; It's GOING to happen, and all of those who still hate the sequels will be considered hatefull boomers by that younger generation.
Easily one of the worst examples of toxic nostalgia I've personally seen was when Sonic Mania was coming out. Classic Sonic purists had this inflated sense of superiority because they were vindicated for never letting go, even bullying kids for daring to like 3d sonic. Like, dude, it's been 26 years. Go play with your kids.
This comment is why I feel like pokemon shouldn’t go back to 2D. To avoid another Sonic Mania situation.
@@2tontylerPokemon never really went to 3D until Sword and Shield
X and Y and Sun and Moon are more of a 2.5D
Nostalgia is a very dangerous emotion.
More like a dangerous drug
@@KaminoKatie good analogy
Nostalgia is our moments of happiness. You shouldn't ignore it, nostalgia should be embraced. Something you watched as a kid can be good nowadays, and another things cannot. Living always in "modernity" will just going to lead you crazy, because TikTok, Shorts, social media, gaming is getting worse in triple AAA companies, cartoons, and movies are getting way boring now...
Nostalgia is not a bad emotion. For example, Breaking Bad, many people are nostalgic for it, and I weren't. I haven't watched Breaking Bad between 2008 and 2013, I watched in 2021, and despite being a TV series that have been released more than a decade ago, it's still good. It's not bad just because it's nostalgic, or old...
Especially Genwunners from Pokemon
I make sure never to feel such things.
I live for nostalgia and buying things my kid self would kill to have.
Ah I see you are a collector of culture as well
Nothing wrong wrong with that. Different strokes for different folks. I do it too sometimes when I have the money for it.
To be honest i would love to have some toys or similar i wanted as a kid
I have a similar experience with some videogames my parents couldn't afford back then and now as an adult i can get them and even newer versions
I'd love to but I have other financial priorities like medical bills and curbing my overconsumption. Which why I feel like I'm getting fandom and con fatigue.
When I was a kid I felt sad knowing there wouldn’t be any more Teen Titans. Maybe that was just it, I was too young to appreciate what Khary said about the finale and it’s intentions. Leaving it open ended with such a dramatic unexplained mystery hurt, yes. It is like life, like Khary said. But it’s a ballsy way to end.
at least they were one of the only cartoons good enough back then to have a movie made.
There were technically some tie in comics that sort of continued the story
The issue IMO is while I get the point I utterly reject the execution.
Sure real life doesn't always have a resolution ... but this is entertainment. If you want to tie real world messages into your show you need more nuance than "Lol we ended the show on an absolute cliffhanger! Deal with it kids because life sucks!".
You need to tie the message into the show's themes and events not just throw the story out the window and tell kids to get a real life message form that.
For example a better way to do it would have been to flashforward to the future. Robin is nightwing again, Cyborg has moved on, ect. But at the same time maybe beastboy never met Tera again and maybe his romance with Raven never progressed. Maybe Nightwing and Starfire aren't dating either and still professionally fliritng. In other words show that no matter how much time passes somethings may not have a resolution. Some answers might NEVER be solved.
Show that within the show instead of hard cutting the story and calling that a life lesson. This way the audience gets to see and experience THROUGH the show the lesson instead of just getting slapped in the face and expected to get it.
The fact basically no one got the "message" and it had to be explained later shows how badly it was delivered. I can somewhat respect the attempt but really I think abandoning story structure for a message like that is just poor writing.
If you can't tell your message without destroying the flow of the story ... don't tell it.
I had a friend from high schol that was really like this. He resents anything new over his nostalgic interest over the thing he sees as a kid in terms of animated content. whenever I suggest watching something new at the time such as UP, he shuts it down despite liking films like Toy Story or Monsters Inc. the video sums up my thoughts about people like him
Sometimes when some people are like that usually there's something that correlates with such as having a mental disability. One of em being autistic... that usually plays a large factor. I say so cause this is something I go through too especially with the GTA series... Vice city and GTA 3 was where it was at and made a huge impact on my life when they first came out...
Online fandom has ruined video games for me to the point where I feel like I can't enjoy any game even if I try. I feel like my enjoyment - or any lack thereof - is being put on trial by the most entitled and elitist thirty-something year old man-children on the planet.
it's so funny that some people say stuff like "this music isn't real music, it's so bad" without realizing that that is exactly what their parents and grandparents said about bands like the beatles
It's an "argument" that is not to be taken seriously, especially when the people that claim things like that try their hand at objectivity. Laughable.
A lot of people get nostalgic over Disco when they belong to the same generation as the clowns that rioted over Disco.
They whine about what's on the airwaves while conveniently ignoring how when a solid genre of music was on the airwaves morons literally rioted over it.
There's also weak, passive-aggressive, racist bs in that "argument" about what is and isn't "real" music.
This is coming from someone who mostly avoids the latest music (and not for the reasons one might think). You won't catch me whining about it either.
@@marsha-madness-super-badness Cool, I don't read comments that use rhayycism as an argument!
Funny cause it's all the same crap in the end.
You boys should listen to classical orchestra and opera. And jazz. That's music you have to enjoy with your brain...
@ Another RUclips account, And I don't care about comments like yours that are all feelings and no reality.
That you even commented is an irony that either went clear over your head or that you're not prepared to accept. You don't have the talent, cognition or ability to determine a single thing about a single genre. You're just bs'ing.
More than an argument, it's a fact. I didn't ask your opinion and you're not going to refute what I typed so cut it out. You're out of your depth on the subject of music. I'm well-versed in it 🤷♀️
Now, don't reply to me again with anymore whiny f@gg0t comments and you'll be alright.
@@TheSultan1470I personally listen to every genre of music and I love classical music but I also like ultra modern music. Btw what do u mean by it all being the same crap in the end
The worst nostalgiaic people are the ones that send DEATH THREATS to the creators and even actors, then harass them over how different the new version is
I agree there acting like religious fanatics zealot
@@gandalflotr2898they’re*
I doubt that you'll see this but I appreciate this video.
This made me reflect on the times that I was a Nintendo fanboy, the time that I hated Marvel because "they weren't what they were and the MCU ruined it", and the time I was a Mega Man Genwunner. I've recently given BTS a listen and I actually enjoyed it so far even if KPop/Rap isn't my genre
I hope to never do the same mistakes again.
I can definitely relate with this. It's all a learning experience and realize that where there is love mixed with hate is a sign you're growing and reaching a certain stratosphere. I personally am not thrilled with the direction most companies (like Nintendo) are going, but it reminds me that I can put time and effort into other things such as artwork and my odd fascination with lost media and old game systems like the Sega Dreamcast (which was the last official console Sega ever produced - assuming the Sega Genesis mini doesn't count, but still has all the great classics like sonic, kid chameleon, and golden axe).
You just got overly attached to things that offer escapism. That’s probably the real issue there 🤷🏻♂️
@@CursedWheelieBin ?
I love how this video made me realize Teen Titans 03 didn't end on a cliff hanger that clip of Cyborg VA really put that ending into perspective for me.
If I'm not mistaken. The original plan was ending the series at season 4.
@@sayer4148 It was actually. The last three episodes were titled "The End" pts 1, 2, and 3. It was supposed to end on Raven's arc. Honestly it would have been a better, more satisfied ending but then we wouldn't have got to see all the honorary titans in Season 5. I also read that for a small period of time, season six was being talked about and if it was to happen it would have been based around the lives of the honorary titans. That last bit could have just been a rumor spread around the community at the time though, so take that with a grain of salt.
This video perfectly illustrates the unpleasant side of nostalgia, thank you for that.
You mean all of nostalgia?
@@mr.x2567/Hyperbole
@mr.x2567 Nostalgia isn't entirely a bad thing, everyone has different things they are nostalgic for, and that's not a bad thing in and of itself. The whole point the video was making is about people letting their nostalgia blind themselves into hating things just because they are not into to begin with, and I think that we all make that mistake in our lives at one point or another. But again, there's nothing wrong with nostalgia inherently, at least so long as we don't let it dictate rather or not we are willing to give something new a try
As someone who grew up with the Teen Titans, that interview hurt me haha. I loved that series, and I don't think I would ever stop loving it. It introduced me to comic books. I never understood why it wasn't renewed for a 6 season since it was popular enough.
I don't hate watch TTGO. I have my opinion on it as anyone, but I don't care about shitting on it for the heck of it. It's not for me and that's it. The series I loved is not coming back.
True. I’m not gonna spend my whole life hate watching a bad show.
The words mid and peak killed all online discussions about thing’s
Me too. I hated these words so much (Especially Mid the most).
@@stardragon5849Gen Z has a thing of ruining the meaning of words.
The internet needs this video. Thank you so much for making it.
I feel completely the point that people are way too obsessed with wanting to be negative just for the sake of it, I was once guilty of this completely, I ultimately refused to play games or watch movies while forming opinions of ''Oh I don't like them because yatta yatta'' without having played or watched them while praising stuff of my own generation. And maybe it's also part of internet culture as some of the most prominent content creators back in the early days kinda started this trend but I also don't think this was their intention. Everyone has a right for an opinion, to enjoy the things we like, to dislike the things we don't, but being stuck on a constant cycle of negativity and hate due to this rejection of newer or old stuff, I'm not psycologist but that's no way to live in my opinion
Let's enjoy what we like, whether if it is new or old, if is a nostalgia bait or not, doesn't really matter as long as it's good, that's what media is for, so that we escape for a while from our reality and have fun
Wouldn’t being positive for the sake of being positive about something also be equally bad
@@jomaq9233 I just pointed out what the problem was, I never said that was the immediate solution
@@Oficial_Mithin IDK, I guess it’s like, if it’s okay for people to consistently praise something over and over again, shouldn’t the logic be that it’s also okay for people to constantly bash something over and over again?
@@jomaq9233 blind praise is part of the problem with nostalgia actually, it makes you think it was better than is actually was.
Regardless, this isn't a matter of extremes. No one said we need to be 100% positive, just try to look towards the positive enough so that you don't become overly cynical.
@@lukebytes5366 Unfortunately, I’m pretty sure the internet in general hates sincerity and optimism, and values being overly cynical because that sounds “smarter” and “above it all compared to the idiot normies”
I really liked your part of the video about just letting things end while I never played sly I can relate it back to series like dark souls were people are still asking for fourth entry despite the series being very clearly over. Very good video!
Excellent points all around. Internet engagement rewards extremes, leaving nuance on the sideline in many instances. It's not all doom and gloom but given the amount of people with internet access you're bound to get the types of people that only want their opinion to be validated and will try to discredit anything to the contrary in any way they can (whether it be fair criticism or baseless accusation)
Furthermore, you’ll happen upon unhinged loons. In that case, they aren’t worth discussion.
You don’t need to be a new kid to like Rise of the TMNT. It’s absolutely freaking amazing and I’m in my 30s!
I wish I gave it more of a chance because the animation is amazing. I just didn’t have access to it, I need to see if the episodes are online somewhere
agreed
Yeah, that show came out when I was 22. Having grew up on the 03 turtles, I was taken aback by the new designs, but I ended up binge watching the whole thing.
@@joey5745 it's on Netflix and paramount + or you can just say fuck it and watchcartoononline that bad boy, everybody NEEDS to see that show I full
@@joey5745 the movie and first seasons/episodes are on Netflix, I think I have a website if I find it I’ll let you know
As a guy who grew up with the 2003 TMNT I honestly enjoyed the 2012 and Rise shows and the all 3 TMNT series are some of my favorite shows and even I have nostalgia to the older games and cartoons I believe that there are still great cartoons and games out there.
I have zero nostalgia for 2003 series i just into it recently its now my new favorite tmnt cartoon the 2012 series is the one i have nostalgia for that was my introduction of the turtles.
I only seen a little of the 1987 series and rise but from what i have seen i liked it.
I agree all 4 tmnt shows are good in their own right which one is your favorite depends on what your looking for.
It's crazy how TMNT 2003 is 20 years old now
i have watched all the TMNT versions but still i can not find a better one than the 80s one, at least there Splinter did not become an expert in ninjitsu by reading a thrown fucking book he found in the sewers :-|
@@Ko700el In the 2012 and Rise series Splinter was a master ninja without a book.
Honestly for me it's the race swapping and corny writing that makes me not appreciate Rise as much as the older series.
This is probably the best video i ever seen about this topic, thank you for such amazing content J's, have a good day!
Me personally, I don't let my nostalgia get in the way because if I do then I'm either missing out on the ideas the thing I'm watching has presented or I'm not giving what I'm watching a chance to impress me with something new.
I gave the Velma series a chance. Sure it sucks really badly, but I didn't let my nostalgia get in the way of what I love about Scooby Doo. I gave Teen Titans Go a chance as well. I don't like that show either, but I still didn't let my nostalgia get in the way of it either.
Yeah see that’s good you had legitimate reasons for not liking those things not because (well it wasn’t what came before so blegh) you actually gave it a chance without comparing and nostalgia in the way and decided you didn’t like it.
Another thing I liked you did was you didn’t let others opinions dictate YOUR opinion to many people let this happen.
The crazy part is most of the people complaining about todays kids shows are grown ass adults
People don’t just complain about “kids’ shows” and I don’t think people complaining are mostly “grown a** adults” come on now. 🙄
It's so depressing now hearing things coming back. Even Futurama which ended in a time loop that literally makes the series neverending and had a great ending.
And the last of us 1 is amazing and I even bought my brother the vinyl of the soundtrack cause he can't play anymore
I don't mind the revivals, but these days, it's almost always the things that DON'T need a come back, like Futurama, King of the Hill, Toy Story, X-Men: TAS, and so on.
@@TheReZisTLust What happened that stopped him from playing games?
@@paulbell3682 He just feels it's realistic how they look
I still want to give it a chance before jumping to any conclusions first
To me, I love people not liking the same as me. I want to hear other people's opinions on things I hate or like. Cause it makes rewatches even better, cause now when I watch it I can see it through new eyes and maybe get a new point of view on it. Maybe hate it more or like it more. I love hearing different opinions on games, movies, and shows.
Agreed, that hard part is finding someone who will debate back and forth with you without turning it into something personal. I would say 8/10 times it breaks down into the person attacking me, but when I do get a good debate going its a lot of fun to discover why someone sees it differently then I do.
Same here too. I grew to like this considering that I used to be blind to the other side. It opened my eyes to other's in what they think. Especially with the stuff I do in my spare time on RUclips and what to do when I eventually get to doing my recreation project of a dark ride; doing it for historical/lost media reasons. Since the small amount of people felt the original version of it was lame. It gave me inspiration to re-approach the ride in a way to make it more interesting, while still maintaining the character of what made it great to a lot of people.
Before I buy a game I think I'm going to like, I only read negative reviews of it, basically to see "Okay do I still disagree with them after this point or do they say something even I would agree with" and usually make a decision after that.
Time doesn't stop just because there's a show you like
The entirety of the SpongeBob fandom needs to see this. A lot of people hate on season 4 onwards because it's a little different different from seasons 1-3 and will hate on literally any new Nickelodeon announces for the show.
2003 TMNT is still my gold standard for not just TMNT but shows in general.
TMNT 2012 was able to stand on its own for half its run, and Rise was able to surpass 2003 in several areas.
I like your take on it.
I rather have the Ninja Turtles in each carnation and cantation be as good as the one that preceded it yet. :)
You mean for its entire run.
Dang, no love for 1987? Also, I mostly grew up at the start of 2012, and the reruns of 2003. Also, 2018 just goes hard. I've watched all four and it just kinda seems unfair to say which one overall is the best. I just hope no one dogs on the upcoming 2023 series for fixing the one problem with all four of them. The "Teenage" part.
@@twoczents I mean, 2012 and rise also focused heavily on their teenage aspects
Now that is something I can totally agree on.👍
Sometimes new things actually suck like Velma and the nostalgia hate is justified.
Exactly! Thank god!
Congrats on missing the point of this video. It's not that newer things can't suck, or you can't criticize them, it's that this level of obsession people have with nostalgia both for or against it is really unhealthy and that people should just like what they like hate what they hate, not let nostalgia rule over you.
@@AidGum I never said that nor was I against him. You just missed the point of my comment LMAO. I’m saying nostalgia can be good to destroy horrible shows like Velma that completely miss the point while making more people find new appreciation in the older shows.
Sometimes nostalgia is toxic, yes, but sometimes it can do good and make you appreciate what came before when you see garbage come out of something you once loved.
@@RhapsodyHC Oh wow, way to call me out for missing the point of your poorly worded comment.
How could I guess that you weren't against him when you were making it seem like you were arguing against him by justifying "nostalgia hate".
You argument comes off as saying that "toxic nostalgia" is a good thing when its against a thing you don't like.
@@AidGum Velma isn’t just a thing I don’t like. It’s another thing where the creators don’t give a crap about what came before and are just using the original IP for money. Same for a lot of terrible reboots that completely miss the point and/or are cheaply made to make as much money as possible. Against things like that, nostalgia hate isn’t toxic, it’s justified.
I've been lucky enough to be nostalgic for things without being toxic about it (the transition between Spectacular Spider-Man and Ultimate Spider-Man cutting it close). Unfortunately, I've also seen toxic nostalgia kill my joy for a lot of newer versions I do enjoy, like the post-B:TAS Batman cartoons, Rise of the TMNT, the newer He-Man and She-Ra shows, etc. The overwhelming negative reception can kill a potential fanbase and makes it less enjoyable to engage in.
@Alexander Capanov Spawn came on when a lot of people didn't have or want HBO. Now with HBO Max such a show would shine. Companies need to learn to respect the niche that are willing to spend money over large audiences that haven't invested yet. They bet too much on money not spent yet too often alienating people that would have spent the money. That's how they make no money, when newer people aren't interested and fans walk away
@@ch42965 Spectacular Spider-Man is a fantastic series, if you haven't seen it.
This describes classic SMG4 fans so well
Edit: I can see that people are misinterpreting this comment, I personally enjoy modern smg4 and this comment is about the extremely toxic classic smg4 fans
Exactly.
I stopped watching him years ago because I just didn't think his content was worth my time anymore. With these people, there's always the option to just leave and unsubscribe.
Some of these classic fans are like "why can't he make them like the classic videos?" Luke isn't a terminally online 12-year-old anymore. He's a grown man with a job in a career he likes.
I just dont watch em cause its just not what it was anymore... I can always rewatch the old ones. But i cannot watch his new crap. That and he became a sell out... Usually im never a fan of RUclipsrs going that route where they get sponsorships and sell themselves out...
@RoastChickenMan
exactly! (smh)
@@hectorleon465 yeah they fucking take sponsorships and sell themselves ouy
Honestly I love his old videos haven’t seen his stuff in years mentally checked out his new stuff.
Rise of the TMNT is awesome. The movie is phenomenal, as well. I went into it thinking I wasn't going to like it, but ended up enjoying it quite a bit.
Toxic nostalgia ruin shows like Rise of the tmnt, Be Cool Scooby Doo, and Legend of korra (well, mostly nickelodeon) from getting the recognition they deserve.
The concept of nostalgia has changed radically since the advent and advancement of the internet. Before the internet, things actually went away and faced the possibility of being lost or forgotten for decades or even forever, which made their re-discovery that much more potentially meaningful and precious. Now that everything can be documented and thrown on the pile of collected human knowledge, nothing ever really gets forgotten or goes away and thus nostalgia has fundamentally changed.
Chris Chan beating up and macing a GameStop employee because Chris Chan didn't like the fact that Sonics appearance was changed is one good example of the dark side of nostalgia in my opinion.
Big respects to jay since I did feel like he had a phase of hater nostalgia in his old videos so I respect him growing past that and learning from it
I'm not much of a nostalgia fan myself I'm always looking forward to the next thing they do with these franchise also the old ones as well
As a Trekkie, I can tell you that the toxic fandom can be there for Star Trek too!
In 1987, Paramount announced Star Trek: The Next Generation. The Hardcore fanbase was up in arms! Mainly because it was not Kirk, Spock, and McCoy, the uniforms were different, the Enterprise was different! Johnathan Frakes (Who plays Will Riker) said that he was nervous attending his first Star Trek convention because of it! Thankfully, the fans there were respectful.
Fast forward to the present, There was hate for the J.J. Abrams movies, when Discovery came out, people hated the style and the look of the Klingons, and then I saw so many videos of the hate of Lower Decks, saying, "Star Trek wouldn't be this funny!" Despite that show has been a love letter to the franchise as well as telling good stories!
So many people on the Internet waste so many hours of their lives arguing with other strangers about which version of their favorite cartoon, video game, or movie was the best. 😅
I remember playing Sonic 1 when it was new and my dad ranting about how it wasn't a real game like Missle Command. Shit never changes.
The fact that ones parent says that yeesh
I always hated the toxic nostalgia fandom, not only for toxic, it's also a venomous brainwash to not think in our present and future, only get stacked in the past.
I know right there like those religious zealots
@@gandalflotr2898 They sound more like drug addicts to me 🤷♀️ The way they talk about how the old had a better effect than the new, like they're looking for the same high 😂😂😂
Yes. Nostalgia is a never ending driving force. You always going to have an attachment for things you love and if you don't like what's new on a base level that's just the feeling of being uncomfortable with change(which is understandable). We're all going to be biased about thing we hold close to some degree But at some point we all gotta try and enjoy the variety of these media structurs and tones learn to appreciate the good things that come out of them.
Absolutely - because nostalgia can definitely be a very powerful aspect of anyone's perspective. But it is what also creates amusement and recognition for how entertainment molds us into who we are - whether it would be anything Disney related or even something like going to arcades at malls (which my brother and I used to really enjoy back in the day). I remember when certain restaurants like pizza hut and dairy queen would have classic arcade games too. Fun times :)
This is why the "Be Careful What You Wish For" trope is here.
Well reason why I say a lot of things are better than new is because the creativity and limitations back then to make games.
Now you pay DLC to play a full game and top of, almost every game we play today started during the ps1/ps2 era.
This entire problem sums up the vitriol for when Monster High decided to reboot itself. People were making suicide threats over the fact that a character's skin tone changed from blue to pink. Don't you just love the internet?🤩
Also, I grew up on both 2003 and 2012 and I HEAVILY recommend Rise. It indisputably has the best animation.
I’ve had similar thoughts like this floating around for a while. This video pretty much perfectly puts it into words. Great video.
I think it's cool that this is a game review channel, but with a bit of variety. J's channel was what got me interested in review channels about a year ago. I like hearing different perspectives about things I like, or even aspects of them I don't, and this video makes that all the more serendipitous
The amount of talking points in your video that match ones I've lamented for years now is insane here.
Nostalgia can be right or it can be done wrong. A perfect example of nostalgia being done right is No Way Home. Peter has his morals challenged by the old villians, and needs the past Spider-Man to help him. Also, William Defoe was freaking perfect. It took an idea that could have been just fan service nostalgia, and used it to craft an actual movie where the nostalgic elements were part of Peter's arc. However, nostalgia can also just be plain bad and repetitive. It wasn't a bad thing that the OG characters came back in The Force Awakens. However, I was a little miffed that they took so many plot elements from A New Hope, as that is just repetitive. However, I could sorta accept it as this movie was partially a nostalgia trip, less of a movie and more of an event. However, when the opening scroll to Episode 9 revealed that Palpatine was coming back, I nearly went to get my ticket refunded in the lobby. That screams "We don't want to do new things, like actually continue how Episode 8 set Kylo up as the big bad. We just want to regress". Another thing is video game remasters. Current consoles have a great amount of graphical fidelity, and I don't mind old classics getting a new coat of paint. However, it seems a little repetitive how TLOU has been released on the past 3 generations. They charge full price for it, too. However, at the same time, I can't help but think that the people who buy these remasters, who probably just want to see their favourite games in the best quality, do have a valid point. At the same time, there's nothing wrong with wanting new stuff.
Tl:Dr good nostalgia and bad nostalgia. Good nostalgia is good in it's own right (and that doesn't include harmless blink-and-you'll-miss-it nods to the past), bad nostalgia is just not doing new things. Bottom line is that it's the quality of the product that matters.
Look no further than your average 80s geek. EVERYTHING nowadays is 80s this, 80s that. G1 Transformers are the only good version according to them, the only good Ninja Turtles are from ‘87 and so on. Toxic to the grave. And the worst thing is, it’s not stuck in the past, it’s very much the present because you walk down the toy aisle and see nothing but G1 inspired Transformers, 87 inspired turtles, Masters of the Universe, GIJoe etc.
"For people who despise the 2010 Sonic with all their might hearing Sonic Colors saved the series from the likes of Unleashed and Black Knight" BARS!!
Nostalgia should be about fondly looking back at how you experienced something without trampling on its current incarnation. I am happy that things like Star Wars, Tmnt and spider man for example can be enjoyed by kids now.
Also good point about trolls who probably haven't even given a current incarnation a chance.
I feel like you've completely overlooked a major facet of this and perhaps it's because you're still relatively young. Shows and movies used to have a run and were done. With the rise of the never ending franchise we see new things being made for franchises and there is not just indifference to the source they're using, but outright disrespect.
Disney Star Wars movies aren't just bad, they actively insult fans of the original. Teen Titans Go goes out of its way to get extra hate because it, again, actively insults fans of the original. These newer versions of things will often make changes on a whim and when they come under criticism, they attack the fans that made it possible for them to exist to begin with. Any criticism of a modern product is now met with insults and insistence that the old versions were actually terrible. This does seem to very much be a generational gap thing as well.
I see this a lot with 2 big franchises I like and have been a part of since their inception, Pokemon and Yu-Gi-Oh. Try to point out something bad about a new Pokemon game and you'll encounter zoomers telling you how the original Pokemon games are trash. They don't seem to understand how the hardware and videogames were constantly improving back then and they certainly don't understand what it was like to have lived in that time. They'll go on about how great the newest game is and say that the originals were garbage because the Missingo glitch existed. Then they'll take it a step further and insult the people who made the franchise a success to begin with, without whom, they wouldn't even have their modern game to get excited about consooming. With Yu-Gi-Oh, I've seen Yugitubers claim that Yu-Gi-Oh was a terrible cardgame up until 2008 when it magically got good. 2008. So we were all just playing a terrible cardgame for 6 freakaing years because... no reason. I guess we were all just big dumb idiots. It couldn't possibly be because the game was actually fun.
A series that actually gets it right is Cobra Kai. At no point does it disrespect its source material or the people who were fans of The Karate Kid. It values it, and its fans, as it builds upon it to tell new stories with new characters and the show is a 10/10 as a result. It's the standard that multi-generational franchises should be held up to, but instead we get the Disney Star Wars standard more often than not, where you're insulted for liking the original and not like the new thing. So that talentless hacks can hide behind insult slinging instead of owning up to having made a terrible movie/show/game.
We've got midgets standing on the shoulders of giants and then those midgets are mocking the giants and calling them short, thinking that they're just naturally that tall and high up on their own.
The whole "Pokemon was never good because the first JP-only games were broken and the first english ones were still buggy" is really tired by now. It completely ignores both sides of the actual arguments being made.(Being that the games back then clearly attempted to do decently big jumps with each generation and even mid-generation and that seemingly mysteriously vanished when the games jumped onto the switch and that the visuals and technical stability somehow get worse the more advanced the gameplay and graphics get. It's just meant to be an observation under the intention of wanting better quality next time, neither a smear towards how good the games are otherwise nor fuel to say all Poke-games suck.)
That’s what I’ve been saiyan, Teen Titans Go is just a wacky parody. It’s like animated parodies such as Sonic Shorts, you would normally let slide on RUclips. But it being official suddenly means it needs to be bashed for some critics.
It’s a terrible show for idiots who think “waffles” are funny. It’s only merit is that it’s a Teen Titans show, it has nothing to offer but a few cheesy 4th wall breaking jokes about DC.
@@improbablyyourdad8458 someone’s too cereal
As a fan of the Wolfman/Pérez New Teen Titans run in the early 80s, I find TTG to be refreshing and often hilarious. I didn’t think I’d like it, but I really do.
Rise of the tmnt came out during my "it's not what I grew up with so it's bad" phase. But after actually giving it a chance I found out that it's actually not that bad, it does a lot of things I really like and hope to see in future tmnt projects.
Naw. It just had boring plots i just could not get into. Sorry.
@@ralcolfwolfcoon8207 Let me guess, you watched like 4 episodes from season 1…
Fine, how's this for leverage! The movie was spectacular and I'm glad to see Leo trying to be leader. The series is just not my thing. Sorry. Deal with it. You can't change people's minds to get them to like what you like. That ain't how it works.
Now you're just being an asshole. The fuck outta here.
I grew up in the 80's.. and a lot of the stuff we had were... STUPID. I didn't know at the time, but I was fortunately able to look back I don't think Nostalgia can become toxic... people are toxic, they just spread it around into other elements of their lives.
I agree with that actually. Every fanbase has a community full of toxic people. It's a matter what their actions affect that particular fanbase. An example of that is MLP. A majority of people in that fanbase have had a bad reputation of being represented as pedophiles or furries mainly for its main demographic.
People keep saying cartoons were better in the 80s. Having grown up in that decade, that's a straight up LIE. A lot of those cartoons insulted kids' intelligence.
@@Nintendofan781 Of what I have seen, because of how the new MLP G5 is currently being handled, the MLP fanbase's reputation of having those pedophiles and the bad part of furry fandom is quickly becoming inconsequential every passing month. To put it simply, MLP G5 is becoming a sinking ship quality-wise, which is causing a lot of the old fans being repelled away, which most likely definitely includes the toxic side of the fandom (unless if they sick around due to nostalgia).
In a way, MLP G5 is creating this cleansing situation due to the low-quality content it is providing, and I guess everyone can take it for what they will with the thing that's currently going on over there.
@@teddybeer6206 I was a 90s kid so I missed out on the 80s cartoons but yeah, I was always perplexed when people would say that about thoe cartoons. I think maybe it was just the sense of excitement when watching their favorite cartoons like He-Man and Transformers. The marketing to sell toys was huge in that time.
@@teddybeer6206 Yeah most 80's cartoons are barely watchable. We didn't get real cartoons until the 90's with Batman and X-Men and such.
i want a Sly 5 not just for nostalgia but for that fact that Sly is canonically trapped in the past and has this absolutely horrible ending to his life that he doesn't deserve. and on top of that this also pretty much much Ends the cooper lineage because he hasn't had a kid yet and probably wont because well never get a 5. it makes me super sad to think that this isn't just how sly ends but how the coopers end.
I'm in my mid 20's so I grew up with the original Teen Titans and the 2000's Turtles, but I can't say I personally felt hurt by the newer versions. Admittedly TT Go wasn't my thing most of the time, but there's been episodes I unashamedly loved...The Night Begins To Shine is still a catchy song that lives rent free in my head. Point is I wish more of us were open to the future renditions, because their existence doesn't overwrite what we like.
I’m indifferent to TTG, but I unironically bop to Catchin Villains.
Honestly my biggest problem with TTG was when they dedicated episodes to bait and make fun of fans of the original cartoon. Other than that I didn't care.
I grew up watching walking with dinosaurs as a kid, and i still get goosebumps and chills when I watch the series again to hear the incredible narration, the sound effects, and the mesmerizing music.
When Prehistoric Planet was announced in 2021, my mind was completely blown off. But when I watch the series in 2022, I felt a little underwhelmed because it didn't have a set story of a specific dinosaur like walking with dinosaurs.
But after re-watching prehistoric planet over and over again, I started to vibe with it's structure which made it a better show for me and I consider to be a classic documentary despite it being new.
Old is gold, but new can be good stew.
Oddly enough J… I actually prefer these videos talking about general internet topics as opposed to game reviews. That’s not to say I dislike the game reviews, but as a Journalist and content creator myself… I find Nostalgia as “winning but at what cost”. Nostalgia can be effective and great to have but only if the inclusion or existence is warranted in the first place. I love seeing references or callbacks, or revivals of older characters coming back but it has to have a level where it doesn’t feel like blatant fan service. Good examples of Nostalgia that I’ve experienced is the returnal of the Original Spider Men in NWH as we’ve been waiting decades to see Tobey and Andrew again, and their overall inclusion in the movie felt worth while and important. I also loved the callbacks in Sonic Frontiers which gave the game this sense of bigger world building without treating their games like canon sequels the whole way through… and lastly I even like seeing iconic IPs join major cross over games like Smash Bros or Dead By Daylight as long as they feel they have a REASON to be there.
Obviously the big elephant in the room can be Disney and how they have a major nostalgia problem. Making mediocre or unnecessary sequels, lifeless and lackluster live action remakes… and even the MCU and Star Wars can’t even escape as their stories have concluded and the franchises were done.
Nostalgia is not a bad thing, but think of it like an old best friend. It may be great to see them again, and remember the good times you had with them… but as we grow older… as we grow up… nothing lasts forever. And we have to move on… create our new stories… and explore newer horizons.
That’s the point of life… and that’s the point *Nostalgia*… to love what we have… but look forward to the newer things coming…
Nostalgia is like pride as someone else stated
It's perfect to be proud of yourself and your legacy, but as soon as pride begins to take control of your life decisions you're heading towards disaster
Agreed.
I think a big part is that only the best media survives the test of time. Everyone remembers the classics that revolutionized the industry, and even some of the absolute trainwrecks that are so bad they are fun to watch. But no one remembers the thousands of uninspired, unremarkable, boring pieces of media made mostly for a quick buck. People in the future will look back at Breaking Bad, Better Call Saul, The Walking Dead and other gems and mourn the death of the Television industry, completely ignoring the vast majority of mind numbing, pure filler shows.
The prequel Era of Star Wars were the best in my opinion. It's only recently I even heard that anyone hated them.
I agree Man, I for one am glad this "prequel hatred" crap is over for the most part. A lot of the people who hated on the prequels in the late 2000's and early 2010's were toxic as hell. Heck if you watch any of those old reviews that hate on the prequels, the critics have no idea what they are talking about.
Nostalgia can be a double-edged sword, it's great for reliving memories but it can also cloud your judgment of recent products.
Sometimes you'll get folks who are nostalgia blind, viewing certain shows, movies or video games in a way that's borderline obsessive, often refusing to see the dark truth and refusing to move on from the past. And that's *really* scary to me, just knowing that one wrong move and *BOOM!* Suddenly you're going on a tangent all about how this old thing is better than the new version not realizing that the new version is just that year's version of what you're obsessing over.
You still have that old version of your favorite show, movie or video game. It's not like the newest iteration is replacing it. It does cause some problems though considering how often some series will just reuse their name with the only way to tell it apart is via the year it came out in.
I have a switch and have amazing games for it, but again. Nothing wrong with playing old games today.
This was a very mature video. Especially the tidbit "Things change and often without an explanation. And we aren't owed one either.". This is something I use to struggle with in the past in my 20's.
also, it ruined my childhood argument. I didn't grow up on Teen Titans Go so it didn't ruin my childhood, and why would it. you cant look at it as a reboot, sequel or continuation because its none of these things.
Still sucks.
It is a reboot though? Reboot, continuation and sequels are not the same thing and I’m tired of people thinking that it is.
@@bakedbeans5494Okay but to say it does just because it “ruined your childhood” is a very silly way to. I think that what this person mean to say. Nobody say that you have to like TTG. Just don’t use nostalgia if you’re going to criticize of it.
@@theumpireofthebottomlesspit I don't like OG TT either.
"Things Changed" was more or less a goodbye message from the team to the fans. What sucked was what they did with Terra, which probably confused a lot of viewers.
What do you mean “probably”? It DID confuse most of the fans . It’s the reason why most people are STILL complaining about GO! 10 YEARS later
@@ToonyTails no... No.. 10 years, they're not done whining?!
@@scottylewis8124 Yeah, not only was it shown in J’s vid. But just check any clip on YT (that has comments on) or on Twitter and you’ll see people STILL demanding that the show end and to give the og series a season 6, or that it “ruined their childhood”. It’s pathetic really.
@@ToonyTails Why'd they end up wasting.. their entire lives... For nothing...
This isn't the future I wanted..
@@scottylewis8124 reality is often disappointing
I find it insane I’ve watched RUclips since I was like 10 years old back in 07’ and now have probably a 1000 Channels I’m subbed to but I can still watch a random person with a thumbnail that looks and sounds interesting and instantly notice “wow, they are really well spoken and are actually trying” and can stay, appreciate, and learn something from the video instead of it being some mindless content before bed. The title sounds really convoluted, but you navigated it so well I remembered wow this was the guy with only a couple hundred K subs that is really well spoken! Props to you man for making such great stuff so consistently and tackling really nuanced material with ease.
Khary Payton has actually changed his stance about Teen Titans Season 6 since that interview in 2017. He's actually open to it, his Stance on the episode is pretty similar but he understands the feedback for it better I feel.
I’m surprised you didn’t even talk about Transformers. The community is so torn between The Bayformers Era, The G1 Era, and now The Evergreen Era. When Bumblebee came out, it was well praised. But afterwards came a drought of content, with only Cyberverse, Battlegrounds, and the terrible Netflix trilogy. People realized that perhaps despite all of it’s flaws. The Bayformers era was when Transformers fans were eating good. And let’s not get started on the dark side of The G1 Community
To this day I will never understand why people treat Sonic Boom Rise of Lyric likes its a mainstream Sonic game. It was a shitty side series that had a funny show. Like what did people expect????
I don’t care about the big advertising and merch, I knew from the beginning it was going to be a low budget side game like a licensed movie game.
exactly
I'm actually pretty neutral when it comes to nostalgic things. There are things from my childhood that still hold up well to this day that I can enjoy even now, as a 19-year-old, and there are some things from my childhood that haven't aged well that I don't consider myself a fan of anymore. There are some older things from before my time that I didn't grow up with, but I can still enjoy them, and finally, there are things that I haven't grown up with that I don't like, but the lack of nostalgia is NOT why I dislike them. It all comes down to: "Is this piece of media actually good or not?" I can like old things and still enjoy and be invested in modern things that are currently out right now, and will be in the future. I'm not an old-head who just acts like the things I grew up with were all perfect, but I'm also not someone who thinks all the modern things are amazing, and anything over ten years old isn't as good or just straight up bad. I'm not saying everyone should be like me, but I think a lot of these fandoms would be a lot more chill if people were a lot more willing to be open-minded to things and just focus on the actual quality of the movies, tv shows, video games, music, etc., and not just the nostalgia or what year you were born or whatever. For example, I really don't have any nostalgia for the Sonic Adventure games, but it doesn't matter to me, because I just think those games are really good. On the other side of the coin, there are old things that I don't like, not because I'm "too young to understand them", but because I just don't think they are well executed. There are plenty of new shows that are coming out that I think are amazing, but that doesn't mean I can't go back and watch old shows and enjoy them. For example, I really enjoy shows like The 4400, Power Rangers Lost Galaxy, and Flight 29 Down (among many others). All shows that came out either before I was born, or when I was still in diapers. Nostalgia is nice, but I don't think it should make or break a movie, show, or game, and as far as I'm concerned, I don't know anyone else who is neutral to nostalgia like me. I'm not saying I'm the only one on the planet who thinks like this, but I think people should realize this, as not to fall into that trap of being an old-age purist, or a new-age purist.
There are plenty of people who can be mutual and reflective with nostalgia. The comments are a very small portion of all people who watch content and it shows most people watch without needing to chime in on something. So of course those that do seem to be on one of two extremes with few in the center.
But over all yes being able to look back at things for what they actually were, and cherish those moments is a healthy form of nostalgia. It allows to look back while still being able to enjoy new things. For me the most irritating is those that have become so stuck and over dosed on nostalgia they become nihilist. To the point anything new by default is bad. Or people convince themselves of false realities.
I agree nostalgia is like religion
The reason why people hate on games they didn't play or movies they didn't see is they don't want to support things they don't like. I feel the best way to know if ud like or dislike something is to watch a review to see what YOU think not the reviewer. It's good to watch multiple of reviews especially one that likes the film and one that doesn't then just figure if u like it or not
I think one of the worst fandoms for nostalgia is God of War. Fans of the old games will constantly hate on the newer games for trivial shit, like not having enough action (which was never the point) while also overanalysing the old games to the point where you just sit back in amazement. It's honestly funny just how far they'll go to justify their nostalgia.
The people claiming that Rise of the TMNT is the worst TMNT has obviously not watched Next Mutation (which I admittedly like). Also I’m still hoping we get a continuation of the Teen Titans series. That and Samurai Jack were the only two shows I wanted to see proper endings for, and we’ve already gotten Samurai Jack so now I just wait for the other. I’m probably waiting for nothing, but I don’t care.
Honestly, I don't have much to say other than I feel vindicated watching this. I've shared similar opinions towards media for years, with the same vapid arguments, biases, ignorance, and the unwillingness to let go and move on.
Right. Technically appreciate the cheap unoriginal shit? What's next? We should get electric cars?