@@yellothekunt6826 Yes, but I'm sick of these video essay softboys making up lies, to help embellish their fake videos. It worked at first, but with all these video essays out their, the secret is out and they can't put the wall over me.
The biggest laugh I have ever had was when I saw somebody with a Final Fantasy IX profile picture use the term "nostalgia bait" as a pejorative when talking about Bravely Default.
I think its telling that the guy who literally coined the term "Meta Era" basically swore off the term because of how annoying the Sonic community got with it.
People praise the 90s for originality, but there was a lot of nostalgia in that era too. I think whether it's new or a reboot/sequel it just needs to be good.
@@pablocasas5906 I’d definitely say so! I think Tiny Toon Adventures, A Pup Named Scooby Doo, and Muppet Babies were able to accomplish what Tom & Jerry Kids, The Flintstones Kids, and Yo Yogi didn’t.
One time I heard how Kingdom Hearts supposedly has a secret X factor that makes them feel like a kid again. I internally started screaming about all the Disney ips in the game and how they likely grew up with those films.
Kingdom Hearts has gotten so big and expansive that it can nostalgia baits itself sometimes. KH3's final arc and DLC focuses on showing you the characters you grew up with in the previous titles interacting with each other and getting a happy ending
Same with Smash Bros. It started out as semi nostalgia bait/a fun crossover but now it can be nostalgic for itself by having the N64 levels in Ultimate lol
Heck I didn't start the series until a little after 3 came out (except for when I played the beginning of 2 in middle school and then lost the disk, except apparently it wasn't lost because my little brother found it somewhere? IDK but either way we finished the prologue and didn't get back to it. Interesting place to start the series and leave it for years but it stuck in my mind 😂) but even with my limited experience with the games it still feels so nostalgic. The Disney properties most certainly play a part in that, but I don't think it's the only reason. The music, the design, everything about it feels familiar in a way I could never place despite not having it as a huge part in my childhood. It's weird but I enjoy it
Yeah. As someone who was more of a PIXAR and DreamWorks kid growing up, I didn’t get a whole lot of nostalgia from seeing the Disney renaissance stuff in most of the KH games. Though when I saw the return of characters like Roxas and Xion, as well as the Twilight Town gang in III I freaked out because I got attached to them as well as the whole setting of Twilight Town in general From II and Days.
@@danielgomez7236 That and some mechanics are more streamlined now, QoL improvements have been made, etc. Of course, the present isn't perfect either, but at least in some regards, many older games just feel more archaic next to many newer games. It's more a case of art not being judged in a vacuum than past games being bad though.
@@albatross1688 I often buy remakes and remasters, classic games with better graphics and some gameplay improvements and fixes. Playing the original old games is nice too. And yeah games don't age bad, if it was bad in the past it is bad today.
I like the video but it’s crazy to me how people realize this in high school of later. I remember being a kid and seeing all of the 80s nostalgia shoved into my face and I hated it so much, can’t believe others didn’t notice. I won’t lie though I’m extremely interested in how 00’s and 10’s bait will play out in the coming years. It’s one of those things I hate when it’s not my generation, but love when it is.
Great script! As someone born in 1991, the franchises you touched upon are all close to my heart 🤣 Ash losing his original english voice actor made me so damn uncomfortable. That was the end of pokemon for me.
Ash also lost his original voice actor during the end of the D&P season due to him having to move to another country, he tried to record his lines remotely but the Pokémon Company wouldn't allow him. The weird thing is that Pokémon Neutral Spanish dub managed to keep most of the voice cast without many changes since it began in 1999 However, in one of Journey's episodes, the one in which Ash meets his counterpart from another universe that counterpart was voiced by his original voice actor, since he came back to Mexico years ago, but still couldn't reprise his role as Ash
Your friends were wrong about Frontiers. It’s not too self aware. It simply acknowledges past games, some thing fans have been complaining for for years now. The only really self aware thing was Tails saying his character has been “wildly inconsistent”. Besides that, it’s just stuff that would make sense for the characters to remember and talk about. Like actual events in the stories, not game mechanics or memes or anything. As for Kingdom Hearts… I don’t know about you, but the Disney stuff is the last thing I play those games for. I’d still be a fan of them even if Disney was completely omitted. I only have nostalgia for like 3 Disney movies anyway, and even then, their presence in Kingdom Hearts does nothing for me.
Movies like Who Framed Roger Rabbit, Back to the Future, Grease, and even It’s a Wonderful Life all feel like nostalgia bait for the time periods the filmmakers grew up in. And there are probably plenty of other examples like it around the same time.
the frequency at which they were made and the amount of them relative to original ideas has shifted radically should people not complain about an increase in murder or rape as these things have always happened to some extent?
I was introduced to the concept of nostalgia through 9-Volt of Warioware, Cranky Kong of Donkey Kong Country, and Strong Bad of Homestar Runner. Now nostalgia is more or less my lifeblood, which some may see as a problem, but I think the trick is to know how to use it.
I can't imagine kids getting into modern power rangers. They focus so much on older series that kids will likely check out Mighty Morphin first, then try to work their way up to the newer ones, only to grow out of it by the time they get to wild force.
Transformers is another example that gets the nostalgia struggle even when the bay films were succeeding, mainly in the shows. Like Power Rangers, it's always a struggle between if producers want to produce new inspired stories, develop unique stories from the normal franchise elements (like Super Sentai and Kamen Rider), or try to appeal to the old classic aspects of a franchise even at it's own detriment for fans. (Power Rangers.... seriously I'm tired of Go Go Power Rangers lol) After Transformers Prime, to me it felt like a victim to cartoons at the time of wanting to actually sell the shows to kids which led to the stories starting to fall more flat like the animation budgets for action cartoons. Even when the opposite happens of wanting to make a "mature" Transformers show like the War for Cybertron netflix series', the conflicts and adult tones with the first generation to Beast wars appeal feel forced to try and invite the narrative to the mainstream that transformers is now mature. When prior shows like Armada, Animated, and Prime were more mature when they gradually build up the stakes throughout the series.
Mr. Sonic-Nearly-Know-It-All here. The Meta Era name never gave any sense to me because… Sonic has always been Meta. In the very first game. When Sonic stands around too much, he looks at you with a Snarky look acting like “Hey! Play the game already!” Or how the 2D Games end with Sonic making a pose where he looks at you. Or how when Sonic hops out of the helicopter in SA2 he looks at you. Sonic has always been Meta.
The only real evidence people go off of for the Meta Era’s name is the line in Colors “No copright law in the universe is gonna stop me” and a handful of jokes made in Sonic boom which tanked way before games like forces. Now they’re calling this new era the “multimedia era” despite sonic always existing in multimedia since 1993 in tv shows, comics, and new to the table, movies.
Nostalgia has always existed, it's just that people have grown with the internet and their tastes have outgrown things that they used to like or they want to reminisce too, things that experience when they were kids even though their ideas have become a lot more politically motivated or the absence of that.
As someone who bought pokemon brilliant diamond, its only enjoyable if you’ve never played a sinnoh game imo. Platinum has way more content, and as for the original Diamond/Pearl, its basically the same as the remake. There is little to no new content on the sinnoh remakes. Theres not even any platinum additions in the remakes. And if mfs start saying “Its a Diamond/Pearl remake! Not a platinum remake.” That still doesn’t make sense. Theres so much small quality of life changes in platinum that they could have added to the remake. A good example is on the watch that you obtain, in the original games there was 1 button which allows you to go to the next screen. In platinum there was 2 buttons, one to go forward and one to go backwards. Yet in the remakes, the watch only had 1 button. A small quality of life change that could have been easy to add wasn’t added to be faithful to the original Diamond/Pearl. And Cyrus was such a better villain in Platinum as he got more screen time. Unlike in Diamond/Pearl where he only appeared like 3 times in the WHOLE game. And in the remake, he only gets 3 APPEARANCES. If anybody wants to play the sinnoh game, play platinum.
I remember the late 90s music, some of those CD albums were Greatest Hits of ABBA as well as Soundtracks to 70s films like Greece. So even in the 90s you had re-releases of 70s and 60s songs, a prime example of Nostalgia Baiting.
Your description of Kingdom Hearts is like the opposite of why I play. I love the stupid insanely complex lore that always quadruple downs on being dumb and I think the original characters are the coolest
The thing with nostalgia is that for most people it makes them remember the good times, the better times, or whatever they hold onto the past rather than what's going on in the present or the future. The future is scary and unknown, while the past is known and a comfort. Which is why people hate trying new foods but forget that the comfort foods were new back then too.
Remakes even go back to the 1800's. Götterdämmerung was a German play/music drama retelling of the events of Ragnarok from Norse mythology. There may be earlier examples, but that's the one I know.
Let me be clear about this: You cannot feel nostalgia for something that never disappeared from your life. If you're some kind of pokemon super fan who's played every game since Gen 1, you are not being nostalgic. You're still that same kid who sang poke rap in front of the TV. You never left your childhood behind. You're Peter Pan. Nostagia means longing for the past.
Conversely, it's possible to get nostalgic feelings over something that reminds you of the past, even if that thing was not actually a part of your youth. As long as that thing reminds you of something you have not experienced in a long time.
@@Beautiful_Twisted_Fantasy No, just gatekeeping the word since people use it incorrectly. Nostalgia doesn't mean recalling something nice from a couple of years ago. That's called "liking a thing".
Really good stuff man! I'll definitely be tuning I for the future stuff you make. The nostalgia really do be hitting just like the copium, saw that paper mario thousand year door and was like "can't wait to play that game again.... the same game but in HD!"
I believe there is no future in building on nostalgia and callbacks. It can function, but it can never be truly as great as it can be. Sonic games, for example, used to use bits of Green Hill, for example, but games such as Sonic Advance turned it into entirely new levels, not using even a bit of old level design or art assets. That's not even touching upon how both Sonic 1 and 2 Game Gear have Green Hill-like zones that are completely different in level design and those games themselves are completely original and separate from their 16-bit counterparts, with completely different developers and a different game design philosophy. A game like Mania's take on Green Hill exists as a crutch: instead of taking the mere idea and some concepts, it takes entire chunks of level design. Most of Mania's badniks are also recycled from older games and it's new level design is barely even seen in things like first acts or bosses. The game has nostalgia take up so much of it that it also basically has 4 art styles going on at the same time due to how some assets are touched up from older games while some are completely new, and that's not even mentioning Sonic 3 had an art direction from say, Sonic 2 and there are zones from both in Mania. I feel like in the past, a lot of the video games used to use old locations for story or to show how far we have come - in comparison, I'd like to bring up another throwback, Mega Man 9. I have issues with it, but most would say it's quite well done in game design. However, there's a specific section in Splash Woman's stage that's basically identical to a section in Wave Man from Mega Man 5, just with a few enemy spawns added in. This wouldn't be so bad if it wasn't for Mega Man 9's love for pandering to fans of 2 and 3 - the game's visuals were severely limited so much that it ends up looking more basic than an actual NES game, arguably looking uglier in that where 5 had a fully animated background to show off as a late NES game, 9 has a blank color background. I also feel like no matter the time, remakes are also just of less worth. I like a game such as Metroid Zero Mission, as it might as well be a complete reimagining - fully new visuals, game design philosophy, mechanics and more. However, that means I think the original Metroid is still completely worth playing due to how unique of a game it is in of itself. I feel like remakes can never replace the originals, as games are art - so while I can appareciate remakes that do their own thing, many remakes, especially nowadays, try to do just that, replace the original - and to me, they always fail, using the original as a crutch to add in whatever "more appealing" decision or art detail on top, warping the experience. I also just feel series are better off dead at some point - some series should have died not even in the 2010s, but in the 2000s. I do agree that nostalgia bait always existed, so this comment is just me rambling about this stuff. Sorry if this is a bit of a long comment for no reason. Personally, I haven't touched much Nintendo stuff until recently and I am surprised at how much SMB Overworld and Underwater leitmotifs they pushed into things even as early as the NES. SMB2US title screen, every new title screen for SMAS, SMBDX, Thousand Year Door battle theme, I think some Double Dash music has that too, SM64's cave music uses Underground, etc.
I think the Underwater theme reuse in some title themes was because it was the very first piece of music Koji Kondo made for Mario, and he apparently seems to really hold that composition as his favourite
Resident evils remakes aren’t there to replace the originals, and they’re better off for it. Dead space remake does a great job replacing the original,
@@lightskinnedlarry728 I don't know about the latter, but I am just mixed on the idea of ever "replacing" the original when talking about remakes. Maybe a port with bugfixes, though even that could be argued as certain glitches in games affect how a game is played and some can be helpful to skilled players, but remakes overall almost always take at least aesthetical liberties. No matter how small or if it's to modernize a game per say, I feel like no game should be brought to modern standards - rather, it's worth thinking about why it apparently doesn't meet them in the first place. Some games might have just always had questionable decisions, while some just don't fit the current trends of the industry.
14:37 Frontiers takes itself seriously from what I've played so far, it's mostly just callbacks more than anything else, like Sonic mentioning Amy's fortunetelling with cards. Ian Flynn has been making an effort to clean up the mess of a canon but he overdid it and claimed the IDW comics are canon (Sonic mentions Tangle in Forces, how did Flynn get away with that after the Ken Penders lawsuit?), Sonic Prime is canon and _LITERALLY EVERY SONIC FRANCHISE GAME_ is canon, which makes no sense. Both Modern and Classic Sonic are the same age so generations can't be canon, Forces contradicts Generations saying Classic Sonic came from another universe instead of the past, 06 wiped itself from the canon, 06 and the Rush and Rivals games have two different origins story for Blaze and the list of plot holes this creates just goes on and on.
4:52 Well in Ourans case the show literally didnt fully adapt the manga and had a filler ending so yeah as a fan I would say it would be pretty cool if it came back. And yeah im not a fan but Yuri On Ice fans have been begging for that movie to be finally released for ages.
Kingdom Hearts- The most whimsical and lighthearted game; childhood innocence, where darkness is easily overcome Kingdom Hearts II- Things get deeper and more complex; adolescent disillusionment, where the darkness is more overwhelming and may even come from within Kingdom Hearts III- Balances the positive and the negative; adult maturity, where one sees the light in spite of the darkness, and is determined to make it through to the end
"Nostalgia where it doesn't exist" I've been playing Slayers X a whole lot recently. It's a retraux shooter supposedly made by a guy who was super into nu metal and The Matrix as a teenager, and the main character is a Mary-Sue self-insert of the creator. The latter point struck a huge chord with me - I used to make RPG Maker shitposts with myself as a character. I never fully released anything thank Christ, but it brought me back to a more self-indulgent and carefree place, even though the product itself reflected none of my interests at the time; I just identified with the spirit of it.
I think it was an expirience getting through ff6 after Octopath 1 some years ago to see what some influence or interpretation it was that made Octopath traveler. This year I played even chrono trigger and than OT 2 and realized how fun it was to see what kind of passion those people have who grew up with JPGs in the 90s and are now composers and game developers that helped make those Projects like Octopath. Great video by the way
I didn’t know people were demanding Gold & Silver remakes back then. I didn’t see remake demand until people wanted Ruby & Sapphire remakes after Black & White.
best nostalgia is when you listen to city pop and feel nostalgia for something you have never even experienced before and couldn't in any possible way.
There is certainly more nuance to this topic, such as when new franchises pop up that pay homage to the past in a more subtle way to add a faint sense of familiarity to something that is otherwise not nostalgic, and many such franchises often go on to become nostalgic in their own right. Of course, nostalgia can also backfire, and bridges can be burnt for some people if a franchises is taken in a direction they feel is a disservice to the media they were once fond of.
Fantastic video! Definitely gave me a lot to think about! Had no clue this channel was even around, but that was one of the quickest times I’ve hit the sub button!
3:34 The Neo Saban era was pretty mid overall regardless of the throwbacks (and yes, Ninja Steel was mid, not terrible, in spite of the fart jokes. Also people actually harassed the actors of the comic relief characters which wouldn't be okay even if they targeted the writer(s) or producer(s) who was/were actually at fault) but Super Megaforce was actually a huge insult because of how horrifically mismanaged it was. A lot of past actors even never got invited back even for the Legendary Battle. Dino Charge was just okay but they didn't stick the landing. As for the Hasbro era, Beast Morphers and Dino Fury were also just okay and there's clearly some carryover of some the things I never liked about the Neo Saban era.
I honestly think it's extremely strange that you're saying at Kingdom Hearts is nostalgia bait. I play the series solely for the original characters and content, I pretty much hate everything that has to do with Disney in the game because it's always a slog
This is why I hate that Community Posts don't show up on PC. I didn't find out this existed until I checked my phone. Subbing to your second channel now. While I do agree than nostalgia is nothing new, I'm still... upset that we live in a world where the Disney Live Action Remakes exist. I actually liked their Cinderella, but the original film actually needed story fixes that time. Now they're just going shot-for-shot because they'll be smash-hits regardless of effort and bad reviews... 2:44 I feel called out re Advance Wars... Overuse of elements from the original, huh... coughPoke- oh wait you already have a Pokemon section. I definitely remember the insane hype for Johto remakes in Gen 4. When freaking Battle Revolution had secret gold and silver profile card backgrounds people took THAT as a sign. HG/SS ended up adding a lot of new stuff in addition to improving the old, and to this day they might be my favourite videogame remakes of all time. How you described Sonic Mania is how I sum up Generations. Generations is just a really well-designed Sonic game that HAPPENS to have levels based on past games. It's nostalgic, sure, but I don't think that's why it's so loved. It's almost like making a genuinely good game is the best way to make a videogame. The Kingdom Hearts section made me genuinely emotional. This might be the "deepest" take on Kingdom Hearts I've ever heard... though I don't watch many KH-centric channels. "Retroactive nostalgia" (as-in, encouraging people to go back and play earlier entries) is something that I hope happens with Fire Emblem Engage. Right now though social media is being a doomer about it because Three Houses fans don't like anything that isn't Three Houses. And I've got a backlog of old media I want to experience too. Thanks for the shout-out by the way? Not sure how I helped with this but... I'll take it.
For me, I started playing Pokémon when Black and White came out. I would go back and play the games I missed and tried the new games. But ever since BDSP, my interest for the franchise has been dying. I also have been drawn to retro things my whole life and even look at opder shows and play old games. I have nostalgia for certain things, yes, but depending on what it is, nostalgia bait can be good or bad. For example, Square Enix absolutely loving FF7. Like omg we get it the game is important, but please knock it off already! It's too loved.
Note to add every 20 years "we" the people get nostalgia for a period of time example the people in the 1990's bring back stuff and moments from the 1970's the 2000's culture being brought up again in the 2020's.
ever since Rise got put in hiatus I can't help but feel the exact way with Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles, especially since almost all the merch and representation TMNT has had since then within the greater franchise these days have almost always been the '87 show i know it's what led Eastman and Laird's comics to becoming HUGE and all, but they act like people only care about the Fred Wolf TMNT cartoon, like the others aren't as loved, whether it be simple shirts and caps or them being playable in crossovers like Brawlhalla or Nick All-Star Brawl. it's the exact same meatriding Power Rangers had for MMPR and it sucks because there are fans of the other stuff and instead of them being represented, most of the time it's always nostalgia that wins. i hope Mutant Mayhem breaks this tradition and we get TMNT representation from other series than just TMNT 1987
If we want to be technical Silent films had the first remakes. Some of Hollywood's biggest classics like BEN-HUR were originally silent films years before. Even some films were remade to be silent again years after the original release which I find funny 😊
Scooby Doo on Zombie Island, Real Adventures of Johnny Quest, Beast Wars, Young Indiana Jones, James Bond Jr., Extreme Ghostbusters, Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles 2003, X-Men TAS and Evolution, Batman TAS, Beyond, ect., New Adventures of Superman, Hulk TAS, Iron Man TAS, Fantastic Four TAS, Ultimate Muscle, Sonic X, Flintstones Kids, A Pup Named Scooby Doo, All of them are reboots or sequels. Quality varies, but it's a lot of stuff from the 90s-early 2000s. Yeah the 90s was my favorite decade, but it did have it's fair share of rehashes.
21:39 I started with Persona 4. I still need to get around to beating SMTIII Nocturne HD, Soul Hackers 1 and the first three Persona games (shame Atlus doesn't seem interested in remaking the first two or porting them to PC, no legal way for me to play those and I couldn't bother with the first four Megami Tensei games (and by that I mean the Super Famicom remakes of MTI and MTII (bundled as Kyuuyaku Megami Tensei like Mario All-Stars) as well as SMTI and SMTII)). Devil Summoner has no fan translation too...
I'm really glad someone finally said all of this. It always floors me when people demand something more like the classics, but then when they get that very thing they asked for, they then complain about how they want studios only making new stuff and not trying to capitalize off of our nostalgia. The worst for me is people who are fans of both Digimon and Pokemon as a lot of them have been complaining for years about the fact that the anime refused to let go of Ash and finally give us a new story, yet many of these same people gave up on Digimon the exact second they decided to do just that with Tamers. I've even seen quite a few people respond to Disney's Tangled this way. These very people demanded animated Disney films be more like those of the 90's, then along came this film to give us just that, a traditional classic style fairytale that wasn't too ambitious but still added just enough newer elements to help it feel fresh, and what did these people do? Complained that it was too much like the classics. Granted, these people are far fewer in number than the first example I gave, but they still popped up every so often.
I'm old and when I was a kid people were nostalgic for Disco and said that it was going to return; but Disco never returned, for it was a different era.
When I saw the title to this video, I thought you were trying stir up an argument. But agree with at least two things you said. "I only really care if it's done well." I don't just want my favorite stories to be revived, I want them to do what the original failed to do. Digimon Adventure Tri and 2020 are perfect examples of revives that did what the original failed to do. Even Teen Titans Go, despite the internets hatred for it, did things the original failed to do. "Some people have been dying for the continuation of a series that's been long dead and they still haven't gotten it." I've been waiting over ten years for Mega Man Battle network and Jimmy Two-Shoes to come back and the only straws I have to grasp are Capcom saying they don't want to deny any series a sequel (and this was when asked about the future of Battle Network) and Edward Kay stating he wouldn't rule out a Jimmy Two-Shoes reboot.
I disagree with the statement that the Disney worlds become less relevant as Kingdom Hearts goes on because they are actually very crucial to the story in Kingdom Hearts 3. other than that, solid video man
In like, the 1920's, there was tons of nostalgia about the Victorian era, especially in regards to Christmas. Now we're nostalgic about like, 1950's Christmas. Or hell, we could be up to 1990's by now.
yeah i find myself either replaying games i played as a kid in the 2000s or even playing games never played from that time or even older games i dont know there is always this nice feeling to older media that you never experienced before there are a lot of older games i want to play and that backlog is only getting bigger
That bit about having a para-social relationship with characters is a point I've learned to embrace. I went from a time where I wanted to craft real relationships that were just as strong as the friendships portrayed in heartfelt media. But for all the times I thought that it could happen, it just didn't and sooner or later people just fade away. The fictional characters are the only ones that remain to even provide a laugh. Real people aren't there for you in your darkest days. Fiction always was though, and that's the reality.
6:36 It's funny that you used Devil Survivor Overclocked footage of all things to start talking about easy access. Now that the 3DS store is closed there's no legal way to obtain it unless you manage to obtain a scarce physical copy of your region that is probably priced over your paycheck.
Excellent video! You have a lot of good thoughts on this! A few points I want to make though 1. I view nostalgia as a seasoning. It's something not everyone is a fan of, and even for those who like when nostalgia is involved in the plot, if you don't have a good meal, no amount is seasoning is going to make it taste good, and the abundance of seasoning comes off as annoying. 2. I think kh 3's issue is that they force the Disney worlds in without them being connected to the main plot in any way. If would've been nice to fight an organization member or 2 but no, you don't get any story progression till the end of the game which I think partially ruined the story for me.
This is a really fascinating subject that I did not realize I wanted to see a video about but now I'm glad this showed up in my recommendations because this was amazing
Not sure what this video was trying to tell us that we haven't heard about in countless others regarding the topic. Ones which were shorter and better articulated.
This video gave everything I needed. When you mentioned Pokemon i was like you gotta talk about sonic and you did i was hype. Sonic is my favorite franchise even tho i skipped 06,colors, and Forces(and will never play it 😩). Kingdom hearts is really all nostalgia which completely went over my head. Quality always matters regardless of the remake or original because a lot games now are rushed and buggy which so disappointing to my inner child 😢. Amazing video 🙌🏾🙌🏾🙌🏾😌
You’re definitely right. But the thing is, while nostalgia baiting has always existed, new things were always being created alongside it. Today however, we get nothing BUT nostalgia bait.
@@borginburkes1819 because people don’t BUY new IPS people don’t buy new IPS and then get mad and thrash and throw fits about everything being sequels and reboots, but those people only buy sequels and reboots
@@borginburkes1819 I want to say that people are mostly at fault for it tbh. Any time something new is showcased (especially in the AAA sphere), it either gets no hype or people even complain about it not being something else from a pre-established series. Either way it's a tough sell. Not to say devs aren't at fault either though, with how many games end up unfinished or just severely low-quality; not to mention the streak of apology letters from devs because of it. It makes many people skeptical of anything new.
In my honest opinion I think that the most nostalgia bait gaming franchise in existence today has to be pokémon. Just look at the quality of the previous 10 games that were released from game freak. The pokémon fans will just buy it up anyways even if the game releases in a completely broken state.
I love that you are nostalgic of Martin Mystere, a transposition of a boomer italian comics that was criticezed because it changed to much stuff from the original! It's so fitting to the theme of this video!
I think when it comes to reamkes, one of the only circumstances that I think CAN justify it is a big innovation in technology. You know things like a huge picture quality upgrade. Like for Example I think Pokemon Fire Red/Leaf Green are very good remakes because they keep the feel of the original game, while also being an indisputable graphical improvement and fixes a lot of the glitches and problems that plagued the original and adds a lot of extra features and post game content. A remake from the same franchise that I think doesn't work is the Pokemon Briliant Diamond/Shining Pearl. While you can argue its a graphical improvement (I personally disagree with that asertion, but could at least see someone making the argument), it straight up has less features than the original game. In my opinion for a remake to work it needs to strongly evoke the same feelings of the original while having some form of significant improvement over the original to justify its own existence.
tl;dr i made this video because i'm still salty over martin mystery
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When are you going to admit to your lies? You never watched Kanto and Johto. You started with the Advanced Generation. Both the games and the anime 😆.
@@obvioushieidude7668 who cares lmao the anime is trash, even as a kid obsessed with the games i couldn't get into it. glad at least ash is gone
@@yellothekunt6826 Yes, but I'm sick of these video essay softboys making up lies, to help embellish their fake videos. It worked at first, but with all these video essays out their, the secret is out and they can't put the wall over me.
The biggest laugh I have ever had was when I saw somebody with a Final Fantasy IX profile picture use the term "nostalgia bait" as a pejorative when talking about Bravely Default.
oh, people get really mad when you acknowledge how much nostalgiabait is the entire foundation of ffix, but it doesn't stop it from being true
@@gorimbaud Nostalgia bait doesn't mean bad game, but bad games often use nostalgia bait.
@@gorimbaud Listen to the song Pandemonouim from FF2, then listen to the song of the same name in FF9 but play it at double speed.
@@Chelaxim you ain't told a lie yet
Lmao
Me when the nostalgia is bait
Same
This really baited my nostalgia
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I think its telling that the guy who literally coined the term "Meta Era" basically swore off the term because of how annoying the Sonic community got with it.
People praise the 90s for originality, but there was a lot of nostalgia in that era too. I think whether it's new or a reboot/sequel it just needs to be good.
Lest we forget Muppet Babies and ALL the “babiefied” reboots of classic cartoons that happened in the late 80s/early 90s. Lol
@@Little1CaveA Pup Named Scooby-Doo comes to mind
Does Tiny Toons count as a nostalgia driven show?
@@pablocasas5906 I’d definitely say so! I think Tiny Toon Adventures, A Pup Named Scooby Doo, and Muppet Babies were able to accomplish what Tom & Jerry Kids, The Flintstones Kids, and Yo Yogi didn’t.
@@pablocasas5906 Yeah. they had Loony Tunes pop up all the time like Bugs, Daffy, ect. Add that to all the movie references and actor cameos.
One time I heard how Kingdom Hearts supposedly has a secret X factor that makes them feel like a kid again. I internally started screaming about all the Disney ips in the game and how they likely grew up with those films.
Nah not really, my draw to it was final fantasy
@@zachmurray101 You must hate KH3 then lmao
Xehanort factor?
Its also 20 years old at this point, so kingdom hearts itself is a disney property they probably grew up with
@@hurri. χ factor
Kingdom Hearts has gotten so big and expansive that it can nostalgia baits itself sometimes. KH3's final arc and DLC focuses on showing you the characters you grew up with in the previous titles interacting with each other and getting a happy ending
Same with Smash Bros. It started out as semi nostalgia bait/a fun crossover but now it can be nostalgic for itself by having the N64 levels in Ultimate lol
Heck I didn't start the series until a little after 3 came out (except for when I played the beginning of 2 in middle school and then lost the disk, except apparently it wasn't lost because my little brother found it somewhere? IDK but either way we finished the prologue and didn't get back to it. Interesting place to start the series and leave it for years but it stuck in my mind 😂) but even with my limited experience with the games it still feels so nostalgic. The Disney properties most certainly play a part in that, but I don't think it's the only reason. The music, the design, everything about it feels familiar in a way I could never place despite not having it as a huge part in my childhood. It's weird but I enjoy it
Yeah. As someone who was more of a PIXAR and DreamWorks kid growing up, I didn’t get a whole lot of nostalgia from seeing the Disney renaissance stuff in most of the KH games. Though when I saw the return of characters like Roxas and Xion, as well as the Twilight Town gang in III I freaked out because I got attached to them as well as the whole setting of Twilight Town in general From II and Days.
Im tired of people saying ‘that didn’t age well’.
Games don’t age,
If it was good then, it’s good now
Crazy people
Yeah. For one thing I’m excited for Jak 2’s opengoal port soon.
They are most probably comparing graphics
@@danielgomez7236 That and some mechanics are more streamlined now, QoL improvements have been made, etc. Of course, the present isn't perfect either, but at least in some regards, many older games just feel more archaic next to many newer games. It's more a case of art not being judged in a vacuum than past games being bad though.
@@albatross1688 I often buy remakes and remasters, classic games with better graphics and some gameplay improvements and fixes. Playing the original old games is nice too. And yeah games don't age bad, if it was bad in the past it is bad today.
I like the video but it’s crazy to me how people realize this in high school of later. I remember being a kid and seeing all of the 80s nostalgia shoved into my face and I hated it so much, can’t believe others didn’t notice. I won’t lie though I’m extremely interested in how 00’s and 10’s bait will play out in the coming years. It’s one of those things I hate when it’s not my generation, but love when it is.
Great script! As someone born in 1991, the franchises you touched upon are all close to my heart 🤣
Ash losing his original english voice actor made me so damn uncomfortable. That was the end of pokemon for me.
Ash also lost his original voice actor during the end of the D&P season due to him having to move to another country, he tried to record his lines remotely but the Pokémon Company wouldn't allow him. The weird thing is that Pokémon Neutral Spanish dub managed to keep most of the voice cast without many changes since it began in 1999
However, in one of Journey's episodes, the one in which Ash meets his counterpart from another universe that counterpart was voiced by his original voice actor, since he came back to Mexico years ago, but still couldn't reprise his role as Ash
@@pablocasas5906Wut
I miss the sass from the original series whenever I watched the new stuff
Your friends were wrong about Frontiers. It’s not too self aware. It simply acknowledges past games, some thing fans have been complaining for for years now. The only really self aware thing was Tails saying his character has been “wildly inconsistent”. Besides that, it’s just stuff that would make sense for the characters to remember and talk about. Like actual events in the stories, not game mechanics or memes or anything.
As for Kingdom Hearts… I don’t know about you, but the Disney stuff is the last thing I play those games for. I’d still be a fan of them even if Disney was completely omitted. I only have nostalgia for like 3 Disney movies anyway, and even then, their presence in Kingdom Hearts does nothing for me.
Same here
Movies like Who Framed Roger Rabbit, Back to the Future, Grease, and even It’s a Wonderful Life all feel like nostalgia bait for the time periods the filmmakers grew up in. And there are probably plenty of other examples like it around the same time.
yeah, absolutely. Nostalgia has been a HUGE part of Hollywood for a very long time now
the frequency at which they were made and the amount of them relative to original ideas has shifted radically should people not complain about an increase in murder or rape as these things have always happened to some extent?
TW: A reply to my comment mentions sexual assault out of nowhere so proceed with caution if that kind of thing affects you.
@@sneed3840 ...lol
@@Little1Cave LOL
I was introduced to the concept of nostalgia through 9-Volt of Warioware, Cranky Kong of Donkey Kong Country, and Strong Bad of Homestar Runner. Now nostalgia is more or less my lifeblood, which some may see as a problem, but I think the trick is to know how to use it.
It's nice to see another really good video on the non-megaten channel. I'm excited to see more.
I can't imagine kids getting into modern power rangers. They focus so much on older series that kids will likely check out Mighty Morphin first, then try to work their way up to the newer ones, only to grow out of it by the time they get to wild force.
Transformers is another example that gets the nostalgia struggle even when the bay films were succeeding, mainly in the shows. Like Power Rangers, it's always a struggle between if producers want to produce new inspired stories, develop unique stories from the normal franchise elements (like Super Sentai and Kamen Rider), or try to appeal to the old classic aspects of a franchise even at it's own detriment for fans. (Power Rangers.... seriously I'm tired of Go Go Power Rangers lol)
After Transformers Prime, to me it felt like a victim to cartoons at the time of wanting to actually sell the shows to kids which led to the stories starting to fall more flat like the animation budgets for action cartoons.
Even when the opposite happens of wanting to make a "mature" Transformers show like the War for Cybertron netflix series', the conflicts and adult tones with the first generation to Beast wars appeal feel forced to try and invite the narrative to the mainstream that transformers is now mature. When prior shows like Armada, Animated, and Prime were more mature when they gradually build up the stakes throughout the series.
I agree. Go Go Power Rangers is tiresome.
Mr. Sonic-Nearly-Know-It-All here. The Meta Era name never gave any sense to me because… Sonic has always been Meta. In the very first game. When Sonic stands around too much, he looks at you with a Snarky look acting like “Hey! Play the game already!”
Or how the 2D Games end with Sonic making a pose where he looks at you.
Or how when Sonic hops out of the helicopter in SA2 he looks at you.
Sonic has always been Meta.
The only real evidence people go off of for the Meta Era’s name is the line in Colors “No copright law in the universe is gonna stop me” and a handful of jokes made in Sonic boom which tanked way before games like forces.
Now they’re calling this new era the “multimedia era” despite sonic always existing in multimedia since 1993 in tv shows, comics, and new to the table, movies.
Sonic Colors Qoute.
“Yeah, I’m just callin’ Them aliens if That’s okay with everybody”
Facts
get a load of this cybershell
Yeah, but that's only a small amount of meta. The issue is that the writing is full of that self aware humor and is really obnoxious about it.
People who watched the original Little Rascals/Our Gang shorts in their initial release are more than likely dead now.
Nostalgia has always existed, it's just that people have grown with the internet and their tastes have outgrown things that they used to like or they want to reminisce too, things that experience when they were kids even though their ideas have become a lot more politically motivated or the absence of that.
Nice word vomit
As someone who bought pokemon brilliant diamond, its only enjoyable if you’ve never played a sinnoh game imo. Platinum has way more content, and as for the original Diamond/Pearl, its basically the same as the remake. There is little to no new content on the sinnoh remakes. Theres not even any platinum additions in the remakes. And if mfs start saying “Its a Diamond/Pearl remake! Not a platinum remake.” That still doesn’t make sense. Theres so much small quality of life changes in platinum that they could have added to the remake. A good example is on the watch that you obtain, in the original games there was 1 button which allows you to go to the next screen. In platinum there was 2 buttons, one to go forward and one to go backwards. Yet in the remakes, the watch only had 1 button. A small quality of life change that could have been easy to add wasn’t added to be faithful to the original Diamond/Pearl. And Cyrus was such a better villain in Platinum as he got more screen time. Unlike in Diamond/Pearl where he only appeared like 3 times in the WHOLE game. And in the remake, he only gets 3 APPEARANCES. If anybody wants to play the sinnoh game, play platinum.
The only new content that I can think of that is in the remakes is that one park that allows you to catch a fuck ton of legendaries.
I remember the late 90s music, some of those CD albums were Greatest Hits of ABBA as well as Soundtracks to 70s films like Greece.
So even in the 90s you had re-releases of 70s and 60s songs, a prime example of Nostalgia Baiting.
Heck I was born in 1995 and the main reason I remember 80s/90s music was because I heard Mix 93.1 on the radio! Lol
Your description of Kingdom Hearts is like the opposite of why I play. I love the stupid insanely complex lore that always quadruple downs on being dumb and I think the original characters are the coolest
The thing with nostalgia is that for most people it makes them remember the good times, the better times, or whatever they hold onto the past rather than what's going on in the present or the future. The future is scary and unknown, while the past is known and a comfort. Which is why people hate trying new foods but forget that the comfort foods were new back then too.
so tired of Power Rangers. they keep trying to bait MMPR, but let's be real-most people didn't grow up on MMPR, and most of PR isn't MMPR.
Persona 3 remake actually getting a trailer a week after this video is actually insane
Remakes even go back to the 1800's. Götterdämmerung was a German play/music drama retelling of the events of Ragnarok from Norse mythology. There may be earlier examples, but that's the one I know.
Let me be clear about this: You cannot feel nostalgia for something that never disappeared from your life. If you're some kind of pokemon super fan who's played every game since Gen 1, you are not being nostalgic. You're still that same kid who sang poke rap in front of the TV. You never left your childhood behind. You're Peter Pan. Nostagia means longing for the past.
Conversely, it's possible to get nostalgic feelings over something that reminds you of the past, even if that thing was not actually a part of your youth. As long as that thing reminds you of something you have not experienced in a long time.
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Are we really gatekeeping emotions now
@@Beautiful_Twisted_Fantasy No, just gatekeeping the word since people use it incorrectly. Nostalgia doesn't mean recalling something nice from a couple of years ago. That's called "liking a thing".
Really good stuff man! I'll definitely be tuning I for the future stuff you make. The nostalgia really do be hitting just like the copium, saw that paper mario thousand year door and was like "can't wait to play that game again.... the same game but in HD!"
You should give Sonic Adventure 2 a shot.
I believe there is no future in building on nostalgia and callbacks. It can function, but it can never be truly as great as it can be. Sonic games, for example, used to use bits of Green Hill, for example, but games such as Sonic Advance turned it into entirely new levels, not using even a bit of old level design or art assets. That's not even touching upon how both Sonic 1 and 2 Game Gear have Green Hill-like zones that are completely different in level design and those games themselves are completely original and separate from their 16-bit counterparts, with completely different developers and a different game design philosophy. A game like Mania's take on Green Hill exists as a crutch: instead of taking the mere idea and some concepts, it takes entire chunks of level design. Most of Mania's badniks are also recycled from older games and it's new level design is barely even seen in things like first acts or bosses. The game has nostalgia take up so much of it that it also basically has 4 art styles going on at the same time due to how some assets are touched up from older games while some are completely new, and that's not even mentioning Sonic 3 had an art direction from say, Sonic 2 and there are zones from both in Mania.
I feel like in the past, a lot of the video games used to use old locations for story or to show how far we have come - in comparison, I'd like to bring up another throwback, Mega Man 9. I have issues with it, but most would say it's quite well done in game design. However, there's a specific section in Splash Woman's stage that's basically identical to a section in Wave Man from Mega Man 5, just with a few enemy spawns added in. This wouldn't be so bad if it wasn't for Mega Man 9's love for pandering to fans of 2 and 3 - the game's visuals were severely limited so much that it ends up looking more basic than an actual NES game, arguably looking uglier in that where 5 had a fully animated background to show off as a late NES game, 9 has a blank color background.
I also feel like no matter the time, remakes are also just of less worth. I like a game such as Metroid Zero Mission, as it might as well be a complete reimagining - fully new visuals, game design philosophy, mechanics and more. However, that means I think the original Metroid is still completely worth playing due to how unique of a game it is in of itself. I feel like remakes can never replace the originals, as games are art - so while I can appareciate remakes that do their own thing, many remakes, especially nowadays, try to do just that, replace the original - and to me, they always fail, using the original as a crutch to add in whatever "more appealing" decision or art detail on top, warping the experience. I also just feel series are better off dead at some point - some series should have died not even in the 2010s, but in the 2000s.
I do agree that nostalgia bait always existed, so this comment is just me rambling about this stuff. Sorry if this is a bit of a long comment for no reason. Personally, I haven't touched much Nintendo stuff until recently and I am surprised at how much SMB Overworld and Underwater leitmotifs they pushed into things even as early as the NES. SMB2US title screen, every new title screen for SMAS, SMBDX, Thousand Year Door battle theme, I think some Double Dash music has that too, SM64's cave music uses Underground, etc.
I think the Underwater theme reuse in some title themes was because it was the very first piece of music Koji Kondo made for Mario, and he apparently seems to really hold that composition as his favourite
@@jomaq9233 Oh, so that's why! Thank you, that makes a ton of sense.
Resident evils remakes aren’t there to replace the originals, and they’re better off for it. Dead space remake does a great job replacing the original,
@@lightskinnedlarry728 I don't know about the latter, but I am just mixed on the idea of ever "replacing" the original when talking about remakes. Maybe a port with bugfixes, though even that could be argued as certain glitches in games affect how a game is played and some can be helpful to skilled players, but remakes overall almost always take at least aesthetical liberties. No matter how small or if it's to modernize a game per say, I feel like no game should be brought to modern standards - rather, it's worth thinking about why it apparently doesn't meet them in the first place. Some games might have just always had questionable decisions, while some just don't fit the current trends of the industry.
Martin mystery what a throwback I also do feel Pokémon is getting stale I wish they would try to expand out of their bubble
14:37 Frontiers takes itself seriously from what I've played so far, it's mostly just callbacks more than anything else, like Sonic mentioning Amy's fortunetelling with cards. Ian Flynn has been making an effort to clean up the mess of a canon but he overdid it and claimed the IDW comics are canon (Sonic mentions Tangle in Forces, how did Flynn get away with that after the Ken Penders lawsuit?), Sonic Prime is canon and _LITERALLY EVERY SONIC FRANCHISE GAME_ is canon, which makes no sense. Both Modern and Classic Sonic are the same age so generations can't be canon, Forces contradicts Generations saying Classic Sonic came from another universe instead of the past, 06 wiped itself from the canon, 06 and the Rush and Rivals games have two different origins story for Blaze and the list of plot holes this creates just goes on and on.
4:52 Well in Ourans case the show literally didnt fully adapt the manga and had a filler ending so yeah as a fan I would say it would be pretty cool if it came back. And yeah im not a fan but Yuri On Ice fans have been begging for that movie to be finally released for ages.
nah, it's definitely creative bankruptcy.
2:17 Even after Naruto became the Seventh Hokage, they're still making a show about his son.
Kingdom Hearts- The most whimsical and lighthearted game; childhood innocence, where darkness is easily overcome
Kingdom Hearts II- Things get deeper and more complex; adolescent disillusionment, where the darkness is more overwhelming and may even come from within
Kingdom Hearts III- Balances the positive and the negative; adult maturity, where one sees the light in spite of the darkness, and is determined to make it through to the end
I see kingdom hearts , i click
"Nostalgia where it doesn't exist"
I've been playing Slayers X a whole lot recently. It's a retraux shooter supposedly made by a guy who was super into nu metal and The Matrix as a teenager, and the main character is a Mary-Sue self-insert of the creator.
The latter point struck a huge chord with me - I used to make RPG Maker shitposts with myself as a character. I never fully released anything thank Christ, but it brought me back to a more self-indulgent and carefree place, even though the product itself reflected none of my interests at the time; I just identified with the spirit of it.
Persona 2 fans when I tell them they're just nostalgic:
I think it was an expirience getting through ff6 after Octopath 1 some years ago to see what some influence or interpretation it was that made Octopath traveler. This year I played even chrono trigger and than OT 2 and realized how fun it was to see what kind of passion those people have who grew up with JPGs in the 90s and are now composers and game developers that helped make those Projects like Octopath. Great video by the way
octopath was influenced by live a live iirc.
Man the Anaeid was ancient roman nostalgia bait from the illias and Odyssey
The Gurren Lagann eyecatch ost in the intro immediately sent me back to when I first watched it, damn
I mean Back To The Future is the perfect example of an 80s movie that was bait 50s nostalgia and then became nostalgic in the 2010s
I didn’t know people were demanding Gold & Silver remakes back then. I didn’t see remake demand until people wanted Ruby & Sapphire remakes after Black & White.
I'd say it's a logical follow-up after FRLG a generation prior.
best nostalgia is when you listen to city pop and feel nostalgia for something you have never even experienced before and couldn't in any possible way.
This video is amazing. I will definitely be checking out your other content! Hope you keep growing and gettingg the recoggnition you deserve :)
Persona 3 Reload is gonna be nuts!
There is certainly more nuance to this topic, such as when new franchises pop up that pay homage to the past in a more subtle way to add a faint sense of familiarity to something that is otherwise not nostalgic, and many such franchises often go on to become nostalgic in their own right. Of course, nostalgia can also backfire, and bridges can be burnt for some people if a franchises is taken in a direction they feel is a disservice to the media they were once fond of.
Pokemon and Final Fantasy VII were out at the same time, dude. I played both of them. :D
Throughout this whole video I just had this feeling that I saw this channel name before and heard your voice before, and then the ending hit me
Pokemon, Battle Network, Sonic, Kingdom Hearts, Persona 3 hell even martin mystery... When can we be best friends? xD
haven’t played battle network but i heard they’re classics
Talking about nostalgia as I hear the bar music from the video game Catherine in the background…nicely done there 😎
Fantastic video! Definitely gave me a lot to think about!
Had no clue this channel was even around, but that was one of the quickest times I’ve hit the sub button!
3:34 The Neo Saban era was pretty mid overall regardless of the throwbacks (and yes, Ninja Steel was mid, not terrible, in spite of the fart jokes. Also people actually harassed the actors of the comic relief characters which wouldn't be okay even if they targeted the writer(s) or producer(s) who was/were actually at fault) but Super Megaforce was actually a huge insult because of how horrifically mismanaged it was. A lot of past actors even never got invited back even for the Legendary Battle. Dino Charge was just okay but they didn't stick the landing. As for the Hasbro era, Beast Morphers and Dino Fury were also just okay and there's clearly some carryover of some the things I never liked about the Neo Saban era.
I honestly think it's extremely strange that you're saying at Kingdom Hearts is nostalgia bait. I play the series solely for the original characters and content, I pretty much hate everything that has to do with Disney in the game because it's always a slog
This is why I hate that Community Posts don't show up on PC. I didn't find out this existed until I checked my phone. Subbing to your second channel now.
While I do agree than nostalgia is nothing new, I'm still... upset that we live in a world where the Disney Live Action Remakes exist. I actually liked their Cinderella, but the original film actually needed story fixes that time. Now they're just going shot-for-shot because they'll be smash-hits regardless of effort and bad reviews...
2:44 I feel called out re Advance Wars...
Overuse of elements from the original, huh... coughPoke- oh wait you already have a Pokemon section.
I definitely remember the insane hype for Johto remakes in Gen 4. When freaking Battle Revolution had secret gold and silver profile card backgrounds people took THAT as a sign. HG/SS ended up adding a lot of new stuff in addition to improving the old, and to this day they might be my favourite videogame remakes of all time.
How you described Sonic Mania is how I sum up Generations. Generations is just a really well-designed Sonic game that HAPPENS to have levels based on past games. It's nostalgic, sure, but I don't think that's why it's so loved. It's almost like making a genuinely good game is the best way to make a videogame.
The Kingdom Hearts section made me genuinely emotional. This might be the "deepest" take on Kingdom Hearts I've ever heard... though I don't watch many KH-centric channels.
"Retroactive nostalgia" (as-in, encouraging people to go back and play earlier entries) is something that I hope happens with Fire Emblem Engage. Right now though social media is being a doomer about it because Three Houses fans don't like anything that isn't Three Houses.
And I've got a backlog of old media I want to experience too.
Thanks for the shout-out by the way? Not sure how I helped with this but... I'll take it.
we talked about this topic before while the video was still in the works. it was helpful.
I never even considered Hoenn Remakes in Gen 5 style.
I think I would have creamed my jorts
For me, I started playing Pokémon when Black and White came out. I would go back and play the games I missed and tried the new games. But ever since BDSP, my interest for the franchise has been dying. I also have been drawn to retro things my whole life and even look at opder shows and play old games. I have nostalgia for certain things, yes, but depending on what it is, nostalgia bait can be good or bad. For example, Square Enix absolutely loving FF7. Like omg we get it the game is important, but please knock it off already! It's too loved.
Guess what, I once found old concept drawings of Pokemon from 1979.
Note to add every 20 years "we" the people get nostalgia for a period of time example the people in the 1990's bring back stuff and moments from the 1970's the 2000's culture being brought up again in the 2020's.
ever since Rise got put in hiatus I can't help but feel the exact way with Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles, especially since almost all the merch and representation TMNT has had since then within the greater franchise these days have almost always been the '87 show
i know it's what led Eastman and Laird's comics to becoming HUGE and all, but they act like people only care about the Fred Wolf TMNT cartoon, like the others aren't as loved, whether it be simple shirts and caps or them being playable in crossovers like Brawlhalla or Nick All-Star Brawl. it's the exact same meatriding Power Rangers had for MMPR and it sucks because there are fans of the other stuff and instead of them being represented, most of the time it's always nostalgia that wins. i hope Mutant Mayhem breaks this tradition and we get TMNT representation from other series than just TMNT 1987
nostalgia has done nothing but harm to everything its came across its not even a good emotion it makes you sadder
If we want to be technical Silent films had the first remakes. Some of Hollywood's biggest classics like BEN-HUR were originally silent films years before. Even some films were remade to be silent again years after the original release which I find funny 😊
Scooby Doo on Zombie Island, Real Adventures of Johnny Quest, Beast Wars, Young Indiana Jones, James Bond Jr., Extreme Ghostbusters, Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles 2003, X-Men TAS and Evolution, Batman TAS, Beyond, ect., New Adventures of Superman, Hulk TAS, Iron Man TAS, Fantastic Four TAS, Ultimate Muscle, Sonic X, Flintstones Kids, A Pup Named Scooby Doo, All of them are reboots or sequels. Quality varies, but it's a lot of stuff from the 90s-early 2000s. Yeah the 90s was my favorite decade, but it did have it's fair share of rehashes.
0:38 things Back Then WERE Good. It's The Now That fucks everything up.
21:39 I started with Persona 4. I still need to get around to beating SMTIII Nocturne HD, Soul Hackers 1 and the first three Persona games (shame Atlus doesn't seem interested in remaking the first two or porting them to PC, no legal way for me to play those and I couldn't bother with the first four Megami Tensei games (and by that I mean the Super Famicom remakes of MTI and MTII (bundled as Kyuuyaku Megami Tensei like Mario All-Stars) as well as SMTI and SMTII)). Devil Summoner has no fan translation too...
I'm really glad someone finally said all of this. It always floors me when people demand something more like the classics, but then when they get that very thing they asked for, they then complain about how they want studios only making new stuff and not trying to capitalize off of our nostalgia. The worst for me is people who are fans of both Digimon and Pokemon as a lot of them have been complaining for years about the fact that the anime refused to let go of Ash and finally give us a new story, yet many of these same people gave up on Digimon the exact second they decided to do just that with Tamers. I've even seen quite a few people respond to Disney's Tangled this way. These very people demanded animated Disney films be more like those of the 90's, then along came this film to give us just that, a traditional classic style fairytale that wasn't too ambitious but still added just enough newer elements to help it feel fresh, and what did these people do? Complained that it was too much like the classics. Granted, these people are far fewer in number than the first example I gave, but they still popped up every so often.
Pepperidge farm is literally nostalgia baiting
I got baited with so much nostalgia before watching the video that i baited nostalgia on other communities
I'm old and when I was a kid people were nostalgic for Disco and said that it was going to return; but Disco never returned, for it was a different era.
When I saw the title to this video, I thought you were trying stir up an argument. But agree with at least two things you said.
"I only really care if it's done well."
I don't just want my favorite stories to be revived, I want them to do what the original failed to do. Digimon Adventure Tri and 2020 are perfect examples of revives that did what the original failed to do. Even Teen Titans Go, despite the internets hatred for it, did things the original failed to do.
"Some people have been dying for the continuation of a series that's been long dead and they still haven't gotten it."
I've been waiting over ten years for Mega Man Battle network and Jimmy Two-Shoes to come back and the only straws I have to grasp are Capcom saying they don't want to deny any series a sequel (and this was when asked about the future of Battle Network) and Edward Kay stating he wouldn't rule out a Jimmy Two-Shoes reboot.
That sweet sweet nostalgia stronger than any drug.....
6:49 Man PSO2 really was a big deal in Japan...
i hate how people act like people haven't been screaming "BRING BACK OLD ROBLOX" since 2010 on the forums
I disagree with the statement that the Disney worlds become less relevant as Kingdom Hearts goes on because they are actually very crucial to the story in Kingdom Hearts 3. other than that, solid video man
I felt so old after hearing you started on the gameboy advance pokemon games even though it's only a few years difference from gen 1 lol.
In like, the 1920's, there was tons of nostalgia about the Victorian era, especially in regards to Christmas. Now we're nostalgic about like, 1950's Christmas. Or hell, we could be up to 1990's by now.
sick vids man these have some serious quality 👍
I have had so strong worded conversations about Pokémon usually ending in using words like cuck
yeah i find myself either replaying games i played as a kid in the 2000s or even playing games never played from that time or even older games i dont know there is always this nice feeling to older media that you never experienced before there are a lot of older games i want to play and that backlog is only getting bigger
That bit about having a para-social relationship with characters is a point I've learned to embrace. I went from a time where I wanted to craft real relationships that were just as strong as the friendships portrayed in heartfelt media. But for all the times I thought that it could happen, it just didn't and sooner or later people just fade away. The fictional characters are the only ones that remain to even provide a laugh. Real people aren't there for you in your darkest days. Fiction always was though, and that's the reality.
This channel is definitely going to be big.
6:36 It's funny that you used Devil Survivor Overclocked footage of all things to start talking about easy access. Now that the 3DS store is closed there's no legal way to obtain it unless you manage to obtain a scarce physical copy of your region that is probably priced over your paycheck.
Excellent video! You have a lot of good thoughts on this! A few points I want to make though
1. I view nostalgia as a seasoning. It's something not everyone is a fan of, and even for those who like when nostalgia is involved in the plot, if you don't have a good meal, no amount is seasoning is going to make it taste good, and the abundance of seasoning comes off as annoying.
2. I think kh 3's issue is that they force the Disney worlds in without them being connected to the main plot in any way. If would've been nice to fight an organization member or 2 but no, you don't get any story progression till the end of the game which I think partially ruined the story for me.
This is a really fascinating subject that I did not realize I wanted to see a video about but now I'm glad this showed up in my recommendations because this was amazing
Kof XV had nostalgia bait by shoehorning Jenet and Rock.
This channel will reach 1.5 million subs, mark my words. Quality is god tier. 🔥
Not sure what this video was trying to tell us that we haven't heard about in countless others regarding the topic. Ones which were shorter and better articulated.
Well for instance as an example even these days nowadays Jazz Jackrabbit got re-releases same goes to EarthBound/MOTHER computer games/video games.
This video gave everything I needed. When you mentioned Pokemon i was like you gotta talk about sonic and you did i was hype. Sonic is my favorite franchise even tho i skipped 06,colors, and Forces(and will never play it 😩). Kingdom hearts is really all nostalgia which completely went over my head. Quality always matters regardless of the remake or original because a lot games now are rushed and buggy which so disappointing to my inner child 😢. Amazing video 🙌🏾🙌🏾🙌🏾😌
You’re definitely right. But the thing is, while nostalgia baiting has always existed, new things were always being created alongside it. Today however, we get nothing BUT nostalgia bait.
That's just not true on any level
@@dannydoo8717 the majority of videogames released this past decade have been sequels and reboots. We haven’t seen new IPs in a while now
@@borginburkes1819 because people don’t BUY new IPS people don’t buy new IPS and then get mad and thrash and throw fits about everything being sequels and reboots, but those people only buy sequels and reboots
@@lightskinnedlarry728 people definitely buy new IPs. They did it two decades ago so why can’t they do it now?
@@borginburkes1819 I want to say that people are mostly at fault for it tbh. Any time something new is showcased (especially in the AAA sphere), it either gets no hype or people even complain about it not being something else from a pre-established series.
Either way it's a tough sell.
Not to say devs aren't at fault either though, with how many games end up unfinished or just severely low-quality; not to mention the streak of apology letters from devs because of it. It makes many people skeptical of anything new.
I have a track record of getting into a franchise (, built on nostalgic bait) very late and going through them in reverse release order
15:48 Japan absolutely loves Disney
In my honest opinion I think that the most nostalgia bait gaming franchise in existence today has to be pokémon. Just look at the quality of the previous 10 games that were released from game freak. The pokémon fans will just buy it up anyways even if the game releases in a completely broken state.
6:22 Actually in elementary school, I had a teacher who liked both the originals and the movie.
Once Upon a Studio was when Disney did nostalgia right!
I love that you are nostalgic of Martin Mystere, a transposition of a boomer italian comics that was criticezed because it changed to much stuff from the original! It's so fitting to the theme of this video!
At least Martin Mystery is a high school alternative universe of its source material, a 1980s Italian comic.
Pokemon on Game Boy was going to be on SNES at one point. So seeing it on GBA is sort of like getting a peek at what that would have been like.
This vid didn't age well. I saw Persona 3 reload recently lol
I think when it comes to reamkes, one of the only circumstances that I think CAN justify it is a big innovation in technology. You know things like a huge picture quality upgrade. Like for Example I think Pokemon Fire Red/Leaf Green are very good remakes because they keep the feel of the original game, while also being an indisputable graphical improvement and fixes a lot of the glitches and problems that plagued the original and adds a lot of extra features and post game content. A remake from the same franchise that I think doesn't work is the Pokemon Briliant Diamond/Shining Pearl. While you can argue its a graphical improvement (I personally disagree with that asertion, but could at least see someone making the argument), it straight up has less features than the original game. In my opinion for a remake to work it needs to strongly evoke the same feelings of the original while having some form of significant improvement over the original to justify its own existence.