Ukraine with MALD, AMRAAM, Storm Shadow & AARGM-ER vs Russian Layered Defence (WarGames 135) | DCS
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- Опубликовано: 5 авг 2024
- Recent press reports say that Ukrainian jets are using American ADM-160 MALD decoys to clear air pathways for European Storm Shadow missiles against Russian targets. Also, reports of Ukrainian Migs shooting down Russian Su-35 Super Flankers with American AMRAAM. We set out a DCS War Game to show this tech all working together. To add a little extra spice, we add in the AGM-88G AARGM-ER missile.
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0:00 Overview
1:49 Scenario Details
6:18 Predictions
6:34 Attempt Without ADM-160 MALD Decoy
21:13 Attempt With ADM-160 MALD Decoy
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Iskander vs Various SAMS: ruclips.net/video/KxxahORODBA/видео.html
HIMARS vs Russian SHORADs: ruclips.net/video/DI6yIt0goPA/видео.html
Storm Shadow vs Kerch Bridge: ruclips.net/video/UsHa9Fe29gI/видео.html
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UK Typhoons vs Su-57: ruclips.net/video/OnKuV6259ck/видео.html
F-22 Raptors vs Russia President: ruclips.net/video/Fcmt2kdebvI/видео.html
Air Force One vs Russia: ruclips.net/video/IDVULTyzcEw/видео.html
AGM-179 JAGM vs 2S38 & T-90: ruclips.net/video/6-f8GJzxg5E/видео.html
SEAD & ATACMS vs Kerch Bridge: ruclips.net/video/HJ0MgwXydyY/видео.html
IMP US Strike vs Black Sea Fleet: ruclips.net/video/xSUAiTVwI6o/видео.html
HIMARS ATACMS vs Kerch Bridge: ruclips.net/video/uU_SPj0HQgo/видео.html
Sa-11 Buk Firing Sea Sparrow: ruclips.net/video/uBoryuBHfBQ/видео.html
US Strike vs Black Sea Fleet: ruclips.net/video/KMwYjJghQiA/видео.html
Rus SEAD vs Modernized Patriot: ruclips.net/video/FdoyfKgaONE/видео.html
Rus Bombers vs Modernized Patriot: ruclips.net/video/4Y961tLNE18/видео.html
JDAM vs S-400 Network: ruclips.net/video/wP4sfDG-01E/видео.html
Kinzhal vs Pac-3 & IRIS-T: ruclips.net/video/i0GzbajI0mU/видео.html
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Mig-31 vs NATO Black Sea AWACS: ruclips.net/video/vFOzjW25ItI/видео.html
R-37M Long Range Shootdown: ruclips.net/video/-3LKGL4w9Q4/видео.html
Drone Swarm vs NATO Defense: ruclips.net/video/wDBOSd9qCDs/видео.html
Patrio PAC-3/IRIS-T vs Missiles: ruclips.net/video/N5Z81iW8YNY/видео.html
MANPAD/IRIS-T vs Russian Missiles: ruclips.net/video/N9R9GUVcTyk/видео.html
AGM-158C LRASM vs Sevastopol: ruclips.net/video/GDZoDRhIIRw/видео.html
A-10s Operating in S-400 Nets: ruclips.net/video/5BwFlesg42o/видео.html
Modernized Su-27 vs Su-35: ruclips.net/video/7llLDzeT2Bs/видео.html
Modernized F15/F16 vs Su-35: ruclips.net/video/-TozTHbAXVs/видео.html
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IMPROVED Stealth vs Russian Bombers: ruclips.net/video/IgwLW4YKvVU/видео.html
Ukraine Using Hellfire Missile?: ruclips.net/video/s_1YHDTmPPw/видео.html
US Harpoons vs Russian Navy: ruclips.net/video/Oiee83CWRcE/видео.html
Ukraine Using APKWS?: ruclips.net/video/FBxV9YuAfaw/видео.html
Ukraine US HARMs vs Russian S-400: ruclips.net/video/eSyEOXsjWo8/видео.html
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Fulcrum/Flanker vs Foxbat/Super Flanker: ruclips.net/video/BhXfxc94JAU/видео.html
NASAMS vs Russian Cruise Missiles: ruclips.net/video/pJI_b95jzpk/видео.html
Russian KH-47M2 vs Polish Air Force: ruclips.net/video/cnrVxqL5q9w/видео.html
Su-27 & Drone vs Snake Island: ruclips.net/video/T_oRoU2Ayfo/видео.html
Su-25s vs Russian Convoy At Kyiv: ruclips.net/video/ryV65bUJzrw/видео.html
NATO Eurofighters vs Crimean AWACS: ruclips.net/video/EiJ2dFRh95g/видео.html
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A-10s vs Russian Convoy At Kyiv: ruclips.net/video/B0tZoo0uLh4/видео.html
USN Tomahawk Strike Kerch Bridge: ruclips.net/video/0vpi8xBygV8/видео.html
USAF Stealth Strike Kerch Bridge: ruclips.net/video/IJbf9Bcxnw0/видео.html
Ukrainian Jets Strike Kerch Bridge: ruclips.net/video/I8FumuZReB4/видео.html
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USAF Bombers vs Mariupol Defenses: ruclips.net/video/aCsboOG0QU4/видео.html
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Stealth Fighters vs Russian Bombers: ruclips.net/video/rym90jnQDsA/видео.html
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Sinking Of Moskva #2: ruclips.net/video/snjfbj_EwW4/видео.html
Sinking Of Moskva #1: ruclips.net/video/Bxwh6MGLJNc/видео.html
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Ukraine Uses Polish Mig-29s: ruclips.net/video/zCi4tAIzuOU/видео.html
Russian-Britain Missile Attack: ruclips.net/video/zwIGfabvzHA/видео.html
Ghost Of Kyiv: ruclips.net/video/Yrct8V4n1-U/видео.html
Belgorod Raid: ruclips.net/video/mQykTxt6ftw/видео.html
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Russian Su-25 vs US Patriot SAM: ruclips.net/video/asp69ZD_tO0/видео.html
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Russian 40 Mile Convoy: ruclips.net/video/Vr_-2FLblBk/видео.html
Flanker vs Super Flanker: ruclips.net/video/VOAuOFLJGk4/видео.html
I vote we put together a fund raiser to pay CH to model a vodka distillery. It would be a very Grim Reapers move to target morale!
Any way yall can simulate this in a F-16 without a human pilot? ruclips.net/video/E_A_rEZoXSg/видео.html
Several British type 45 destroyers vs the same tactics(if russia has an equivelant decoy) used here would be quite interesting to see. The speed those asters go out was quite impressive on the grim reapers video where they buzzed HMS Duncan off the coast of Crimea
I love it when a plan comes together! When these 'scientific' tests work out it really pays off in building future scenarios, and also is just damn fun to watch! I've not cheered for cruise missiles quite so much in a long time.
Don't worry, the missile knows where it is at all times.
Yup I actually enjoyed this one also.
“Migs w American weapons”
Stormshadow which is British/French: am I a joke to you?
oof fair point...
Supercilious nonsense .it could well take some kind of shape.pretty soon i don't think with mig but maybe sucoy..
Ikr
@@SeanPower-yr9rh You probably mean SCALP - and no it's NOT a ground launch missile - the navel version of SCALP (MdCN) could theoretically be ground launched. However in times of war stuff can be knocked up pretty quickly - a rocket assisted launch sled to put SCALP or Storm Shadow into the air is probably possible there are existing software loads that would deal with this - the only issue is power - Storm Shadow needs external power until the point the onboard jet engine is fired up. If you could fire the jet up before launch it but that might upset the trajectory of the sled! Interesting problem.
Yes
The ADM-160C runs in both jammer and decoy modes and is connected via datalink, so it can accept in-flight adjustments. The earlier models were preprogrammed, so could only be adjusted up to launch. I think, with mild confidence, that the navy or army began procurement on the C variant in 2012, first used in operational environment in 2014.
To the best of my knowledge, you’re 100% correct. I read that shortly after the C version started being delivered in 2012, the US military (I believe it was both the USAF and the USN) stopped procuring the older models which made the C their standard decoy.
C feeds back information its gathered via Datalink as well and can operate in either a Decoy or Jamming role. The B's had a lot longer range than the A's which were initially cancelled after 100 delivered then only two years later they changed their mind and a fresh tender was issued. I think part of the reason they moved on so swiftly to the C's though was poor navigation performance, I have read a US evaluation report that said in testing the B's and before them the A's tended to get lost and deviate from their programmed flight plans a lot which during testing resulted in a significant amount having to be self destructed for exiting the test range. The main thing is to fool the enemy they have to not just quack like a duck but move like a duck as well simulating an actual aircraft's flight path and course corrections rather than just flying in a straight line.
Thanks
ukraine has ADM-160B. not C.
@@riskinhos CurrentHill added the C to DCS so we discussed that model.
Ivan Kozhedub was a Ukrainian-Soviet fighter ace in WW2. Over 60 solo kills
60 SOLO KILLS????? THATD ALOT
Ha! nice, I had no idea.
Jezus!
64 kills including a Me-262 jet and his trained MiG-15 division raked the most kills in Korea for far less losses.
Swarm of MALDs
SAM Operater: oh that's a obvious decoy
Lone B-52 in the MALD formation: 🥷🏴☠
lols
It's more likely that SU-24s are the platforms carrying Storm Shadow. Poland already did the work on compatibility for those and would have assisted with transferring knowledge over.
They have so few SU-24 it doesn't seem likely and there was nothing to say Poland wasn't doing the work on Mig-29s which it both has and is giving to Ukraine rather than SU-24 it doesn't have ...
@@DoddyIshamel They might have few, but it's still enough.
Especially as there has been no evidence regarding MiG-29 carriage.
@@Xenomorphine It would be easy to modify Polish or Slovakian Mig-29s to carry a (A!) Storm Shadow - they already have NATO spec weapons command interfaces. Ditch the (HUGE) centreline fuel tank, which is where the Storm Shadow would go and rely on underwing tanks for range.
Sooooo happy you did this. Its exactly how Raytheon intended this tech to be used. And it is very cool you decided to use the aargm-er instead of harms like Raytheon originally intended. You sir are right on point
Look at GR being on point finally.
i assume you could send 10s of these MALDs out with the storm shadow, they will think they are all decoys and will let all through
Pantsir and Tor for example have been taken out by small grenade carrying drones in Ukraine as well. Quite incredible u guys always put out the best
You know the AMRAAM model is bad when Cap says this in order: "come on, come on, please work this time", "damn", "missed again", and my favorite "oh, thank God it finally hit"
The Americans put all their eggs in the stealth basket thinking they can sneak up on the enemy and abandon long range air to air missile development - thanks to real time RADAR return digital signal processing that basket is now in tatters. They are now forced into desperately playing catch-up.
@@LondonSteveLeeAnd catch up we are and will thank you. DCS is pro Russian propaganda, everything the west has in this game is garbage, Right. Keep believing that please.
@@LondonSteveLee What on earth are you talking about...
@@hresvelgr7193 Stealth is as good as dead - useful - but no longer a defining factor that justifies the expense or compromise to the aircraft. Real time RADAR return oversampling and then the realtime digital signal processing on those returns can pick out and track the tiniest, tiniest return.
@@LondonSteveLee Keep pulling this bullshit out of your arse mate. Everybody knows that what you are saying is nonsense. You fail to realise that no matter how good digital signal processing gets it will always impact non stealth aircraft far more then stealth aircraft.
I just saw a Twitter post about the MALD’s and there use in Ukraine, so glad you’ve done this so quick!
Excellent video demonstrating how well the decoys can work.
Russians MALDING after this 🤣
Cope, seethe, MALD 😆
Just a quick hi and thanks all. Will watch later but I'll forget to like, I am subscribed and often check out the other platforms as well. 🖖👍🍺
thx Neil
@@grimreapers No cap, thank you and the GR team. Can't remember the video but someone posted a bare bones getting into dcs a few days ago. He only name dropped the grim Reapers channel as one to get hundreds of videos to help you choose your first plane....fact alert and this is also what I did 😁
The lad playing as the GCI did a great job really shows the value good comms with the awacs
You think that GCI was good - you ain’t heard Matrix, the “king of GCI”!
Afternoon gents.
Good afternoon, valued viewer.
Hi
Nice video, people said that the Russian aircraft shot down was an accident by the Russian anti air, but even they are not that incompetent (we all wish they were) I am sure the Ukranian airforce shot down those Russian aircraft.
Yes I think your right. I'm off for a ham and cheese sandwich.
The Russian thought process is just incomprehensible to me.
"We've lost four planes today! Well, we can't admit that the enemy we're fighting is well-trained and decently equipped and that they're going to be able to fight back. Instead, we'll just tell everyone that our air defense forces (which are the keystone of our area-denial doctrine) are so grossly incompetent that they shot down not one, not two, not even three, but four of our own aircraft in a single day. Nailed it. Cope and seethe westoids."
You all might have way too much faith in the Russian military, looking at how they’ve fared so far…
Keeps the attacks cheap using the decoys to drain targets abilities , kind of like the mass attacks with storm shadow you guys did against the kerch bridge awhile back and with HARMS very useful
That idea is fairly old. Tom Clancy suggested using drones to draw missile fire in his 1983 novel Red Storm Rising.
An idea - refighting the battles depicted in Red Storm Rising with contemporary and current weapons. Battle of the North Atlantic, the "Frisbees of Dreamland" F-19 (written before the F-117 was revealed) raid on bridges and airbases behind Soviet lines on the night before the war began, the first and second battles of Iceland and so on.
“If they weren't drunk”, lol, Capt, brilliant comment.
GR, thank you so much for pumping out a video a day. I love that you are hours ahead of me… my day starts better when I start it with a GR video. Thank you so much, you are a very valued content creator!!
I noticed that all of the Russian units are Average skill level. Has that always been the case with these scenarios? I thought the skill levels were set higher. Also, I noticed one unit was set to a heading of 44, but I’m not smart enough to know if that had any meaningful impact. Cheers!
I set the same AI level for all coalitions:
Planes - ACE
Ground units - AVERAGE
Those are the settings that just seem to work best. Sometimes we increase ground unit levels for certain situations.
Indeed I being in the uk, often got to bed with the whole gang 🤣🤣
Love it! Well done 👏
Awesome video! Glory to Ukraine!
A target I think would be interesting to do would be Ukraine targetting the Crimea canal. When Russia first invaded Crimea Ukraine blocked it, food production in Crimea dropped massively. When Russia invaded UA proper they then unblocked it. Dropping a number of bridges over the canal would reduce/stop the flow of water and put pressure on the vulnerable Kerch straight bridge and air-lifters. :)
This is interesting. I recently heard a report about the ADM160 being used by Ukraine and was interested in understanding how they worked.
UK Storm shadows. Designed by a joint UK/French group are asking how is this all American?
Decoys! for the win.
I heard that the russian IFF is so bad they basically have to turn their sams off when their own planes are in the region.
It was in the discussion about the 4 (or 5 ) downed aircraft and wether ot not some were friendly fire.
Didn't Patriots shoot down a couple Tornados and an F-18 in one of the Gulf wars? Also think they fired at an F-111 which evaded it.
@@terryboyer1342 The Patriot did launch at a couple of aircraft and shot down all of them (it didn’t launch at an F-111 though), also killing all the pilots (it’s by design - the Patriot is precise enough to aim at the front of the aircraft, exactly where the pilot sits). There were a bunch of issues that caused those fratricides, like pilots flying without the IFF transponder on, there was no communication between the Patriot crews and friendly air forces operating nearby, there were some issues with the crew training, etc. Because of those blue-on-blue incidents, there was a whole slew of upgrades of the system itself, there was a complete overhaul of the training, now there’s a deep integration of the Patriot crews with the friendly air forces, etc. and thanks to that, now there are so many safeguards that it’s extremely unlikely for such an incident to happen again.
The same goes for early issues encountered in 1991-every time the system fails in some way, there’s always a bunch of improvements coming right afterwards. Because of that, the Patriot from 2023 is basically a completely different system to the one from the past. All parts of the system either got replaced by new, better ones, or got so many upgrades that you’d have a problem finding a single part which remained unchanged. There’s a completely new radar, the AN/MPQ-65, which replaced the old AN/MPQ-53, and now it even got upgraded with a completely new array (AESA instead of the older PESA) and it’s now called the AN/MPQ-65A. The interceptors are also upgraded beyond comprehension (PAC-2 GEM/T) or are completely new, built from the ground up (PAC-3 CRI and PAC-3 MSE) and that basically goes for everything else.
@@terryboyer1342 yes. no matter which one, that was literally decades ago.
Also statistically a few incidents, how ever tragic, are probably still a different level. IF it's true about the russian one. Many people talk many things. But assuming the worse seems to be a fairly safe bet about them.
@@MaxIsStrange1 I think I confused the F-111 evasion with one that was attacked by I think a Mig-29. If I remember correctly it was at night and the Mig crashed trying to follow. I believe the F-111 was given a maneuver kill. As for the Patriot improvements I hope they were recent ones. Last year I listened to a podcast with an Army Patriot maintenance Sgt with 15 years experience saying that Patriot is a fantastic system when everythings working. Unfortunately he said that is very rare. He said the system has major reliability issues with many of the system components. He was speaking of actual deployments in middle eastern countries.
@@terryboyer1342 Not gonna tell everyone what the video was? If not then your claim is not believable, just saying:
"Last year I listened to a podcast with an Army Patriot maintenance Sgt with 15 years experience saying that Patriot is a fantastic system when everythings working. Unfortunately he said that is very rare."
Doesn't prove anything.
I really like the human GCI. Would love to see (well, hear) more of that in future.
I do hope I'm not teaching you to suck eggs but more often than not you will get human GCI's in the donator campaign missions.
You know what they say, Get woke Go broke! Have a nice day.
Just curious about why you're not modeling Ukrainian SU-24M and SU-27 as Western munition platforms? The SU-27 has already been retrofitted with a HARM capability and is the most likely candidate for additional hybridization. The SU-27 and SU-24M would be far better able to handle the Stormshadow. If you gave an answer in video which I missed I apologize.
The SU-27 & SU-24M mods' compatibility with these new weapons are probably not yet modeled for DCS. The mods GR is using are by _"CH",_ and he's likely working on the SU mods.
It's possible but to keep things more do-able for us, currently just using Mig-29 for everything.
@@grimreapers so why make the video when u obviously know it’s fuxking wrong? Clueless
@@grimreapers Understood and thanks for answering my question. 🙂
@@dr.ryttmastarecctm6595 I hadn't considered that. Thank you.
No surprise fighting s400 makes you mald, I'm malding watching this!
Is anyone else reminded of the opening act of the US Navy in the famous Tom Clancy/Larry Bond novel Red Storm Rising? After having taken Iceland with paratroopers, the pre-war plan for using the GUIK spanning SOSUS cables and Iceland based F-15s to protect the trans-Atlantic resupply convoys is in tatters, NATO scrambles to set up a high-tech version of the WWII battle of the Atlantic. Russian Tu-16 Badgers fire a fleet of retired ASMs acting as drones simulating a Badger attack on on the Nimitz carrier battle group featuring Nimitz, Saratoga, the French carrier Foch, and helicopter carrier Saipan who was transporting a Marine division. The F-14s flew up and expended their AIM-54s on the drones, while Tu-22M Backfires blazed in with newer supersonic ASMs with only the F-8 Crusaders from Foch left to attack the Backfires and the Ticonderoga. Several ASMs made it through, exploding Saipan and its Marine division, sinking Foch, heavily damaging Ticonderoga and Nimitz and lightly damaging Saratoga. Nimitz took a hit next to CIC, killing the Admiral commanding the battle group.
Sill today one of my favourite books.
From what an ex general said on TV, the decoy missiles have the ability to look like 3 missiles, so each one can potentially cause Russia to lose 3 Sams firing at ghosts.
Only problem with this scenario is that you've concentrated the AA around the target. What we are seeing in Ukraine is the AA is spread out across the front.
Generally these scenarios are set up in worst case scenarios, such as the radar operators at full alert expecting an attack with all radars turned on, equipment working, instead of you know a bunch of poorly maintained piles of junk manned by a bunch of drunkards busy taking a smoke break. So setting up the defense in high concentration and properly positioned is not that much of a big deal compared to the rest of it.
Very good.
From many years of fencing: A feint that your enemy ignores is an attack.
Great fun cap.hope GR baby gets better for u.much love and blessing ❤
Thanks!
Thank you!
Hi Violet, Cannonball. Big fan
Outstanding!
Nice Vid CAP!! Diggin those 29 Livz!!! ;)
Hi Ello, look at you still watching GR vids! x
@@grimreapers Alwayz bro!!
I really enjoy watching your vids, thanks for the entertainment guys, I also enjoy the education!
Great video!
All the stuff below is just out of curiousity (first part) and trying to be somewhat informative (second part). Thanks as always!
When you said the decoys are mimicking a B-52, is that per the in-game code/setting or your understanding of how the MALD works? I was under the impression they could set it up to emulate the radar profile of just about anything. I don't think any of this matters for DCS purposes because it likely isn't coded that sophisticated, but I think the real decoys would likely emulate any attack missile that realistically flies at the same speed, as you want the radar systems to see them as iminent threats where they can't simply rule them out as decoys because they know x, y, or z aren't in theater or don't travel at those speeds. Just a thought.
Also, not a huge deal for the sake of the video, but I'm extremely confident in saying they wouldn't be giving Ukraine any frontline missile variant, which means AIM-120 C5/C7 at best and the old HARMS, not the new ones. Just saying - these things do crash and are either duds or enough peices hit the ground intact to learn valuable information from them, and anything Russia manages to salvage in the war, China will also likely get their hands on it and could eventually supply Russia with the tech/chips to emulate tech. Rumor is the Kinzhal is full of US/western tech and chips.
The second attack was much more realistic. This attack didn't even include possible imbedded EW counter measures in the strike package.... Impressive. Most impressive.
missile
can you do a MALD + Harpoon attack on chinese naval fleet?
Or MALD and LRASM
@@MaxIsStrange1 He already tested out the LRASM vs the Chinese fleet. Alone, without decoys... The Chinese fleet got wiped out from the 24 LRASM missiles...
MALD + LRASM + Rapid Dragon is next.
@@sulyokpeter3941 i know but LRASM is just to good to be true. I would rather see what current tech with MALD and Harpoon could do. Earlier GR showed that a single type 55 easily defended a massive harpoon attack. Wanna see how MALD could disrupt that.
@@cyronader Type 055 is too good to be true too my man.. With that YJ-21 and 18…
Impressive!
Rock On 🤘 Grim Reapers.!
I nicknamed the C-131 Gunships, “Grim Reaper”. Look 👀 them up.😉. I would hate to be on the receiving end.
To steal a gag from Growling Sidewinder and Longshot, GS: if anyone asks the plane had a wing missing LS: And it was on fire.
The best decoy would be one that is anti-radiation. So when it gets hit. It scrambles the radar. Self inflicted blindness.
You always add a few real missiles in the decoys. If they don't shot you get them, and if they do shoot the second run gets them. This will guarantee that they alawys have to shoot
Nice double test scenario - One more version to try -
4 Flights to the north - each of 6 aircraft. Flight 1 - each with 4 AARGM-ER missiles: Flight 2 - each with 8 MALD, Flight 3 - each with 8 Storm Shadow - Flight 4 - CAP Com with AMRAAM for air defence.
Flight 1 would launch first and fly ahead of the the group - just outside the S400 line they would launch the AARGM-ER missiles to the targets to take out the S400 and other radar systems ahead of the interdiction.
Flight 2 would then come in about 2 minutes behind flight 1 and launch the MALDs at the S400 line toward the target - this would ensure that any missiles that managed to be launched would have decoys and likely mitigate the risk to the offensive missiles coming up in Flight 3.
Flight 3 would then approach about 10 minutes behind Flight 1, this would ensure that the AARGM-ER had mitigated the radar threat around the target and the MALDs would be distracting any inflight missile systems or at least occupying any radar still in operation. They would fly inside the S400 line to a range of around 70 miles before launching the Storm Shadows at a height over the sea of around 100ft, ensuring the missiles would remain below the effective height of any radar on the missile batteries due to ground shadow.
Flight 4 - these would advance and take out any aircraft in the area of operations and ensure the air corridor remained free from aerial threat.
So be safe certain of success, I would also have a duplicate flight of Flights 1-3 which would approach from the South, over the main part of the black sea - again the AARGM-ER's would be fired inside the S400 line, with the aircraft "popping up" to sight the radar stations - the flight with MALD's would then complete a decoy launch as in the north. The last of the southern flights with Storm Shadows could then either target the primary if it had not been elliminated, or select a secondary target of opportunity to elliminate that - such as naval units operating in the area or within Sephastopol harbour.
With the addition of the Storm Shadow, AARGM-ER, MALD and AMRAAM - maybe nice to organise another attack on the Kirch bridge - again, split attack from the North and the South to ensure maximum damage.
The likelihood of an S400 hitting a MALD irl is little to nil.
The MALD can put out a strong fake imitation radar return that is pretty easy for ground radar to see and launch at (that's kind of the point), and S300/S400 missiles are large and have large warheads to compensate for poor accuracy/precision. So unless the MALD is programmed/capable of detecting missile launches and turning off their imitation and return to their natural small radar return to lose the lock of the ground radar then, yes, they'd be pretty easy to shoot down.
But they're incredibly cheap and will crash regardless and are not capable of being reused, so if they can waste more than one SAM that'd be great, but even wasting one is good enough.
@@msytdc1577 I believe the MALD, apart from having the imitation mode, also has a jammer so maybe there’s some truth to it…
@@MaxIsStrange1 MALD-C has jammer or decoy modes and datalink so can relay back what radar its being painted with, MALD A/B only have decoy mode and no communications.
@@watcherzero5256 "MALD A/B only have decoy mode and no communications."
They also aren't being used anymore, none have been procured since the ADM 120C (MALD J) went into service, i.e. the MALD A/B were practically phased out in 2012.
@@aflyingcowboy31 They ordered MALD-A in 1996 then cancelled it in 2001 after around 150 had been delivered, and in 2003 ordered MALD-B with 1,500 being delivered between 2009 and 2015 and MALD-C was ordered in 2008 with 1,200 being delivered between 2012 and 2016. After the US Airforce stopped buying them in 2016 (they have received some sustainment contracts in the interim for reconditioning C's into a C-1 variant) Raytheon received permission to sell the B abroad but didnt find any buyers. Meanwhile the British had expressed interest in a modular payload version, the MALD-V in 2009 but also didnt procure any. The US Navy ordered 250 MALD-N in 2020 for delivery in 2022 after some R&D contracts in 2019.
All in all as far as I can tell 10 production lots of 200 MALD of varying version were ultimately ordered with the 10th being in 2016 and the latest being the US Navys in 2020 with a planned 11th batch for the airforce in 2018 not occurring.
Great Video .. I wonder what type of virtual software the militaries have to role play scenarios.
I don't know how accurate it is, but I was reading that the MALDs don't *have* to be decoys.
Because there is no overengineering like US Military Budget overengineering.
Well, if overengineering is your thing then so is Storm Shadow - it's a pretty much complete sophisticated ground attack aircraft with all major modern systems rolled up into a missile. It was designed to operate perfectly well without any GPS guidance.
Once again overwhelm the radar.
Fun stuff!
Can you model different weather to test IADS in different scenarios?
I can but I know that currently weather doesn't affect SAMs in game so not really worth it at moment??
Can MALD be used to soak up A2A missiles? Could add a whole new way to prevail in those long range missile fights.
Aircraft irl have towed decoys look at the f35s defense system it’s crazy I would assume it would work but due to the weight weapons and kinematics penalties it’s probably not worth it. Every mald takes the space of at least 2 missiles and has a pretty heavy kinematic penalty
Interesting idea.
Sevastopol attack scenario w/ drones, MALDs and Storm Shadows when??
Literally making that now.
@@grimreapers The Hits just keep on coming 👍
It would make more sense that the decoys be created with the ability to dial in the size observed. Specific to the munitions used.
According to sources I read, MALD are typically programmed on the ground, but they can be reprogrammed by the pilot in flight up to the time of launch. Once they're off the rail, their programming can no longer be changed.
Where did you get the missiles from?
Do you have a link for the Mig-29KR and Su-35 mod? And how did you manage to add data-link? Thanks!
GLSDB is coming to Ukraine!! . . . 1 meter MOE. Boeing and Saab 94 mile range When will it come to to Grim Reapers?
Try patriot against kinzhals. Yesterday 6 of the 6 kinzhals were downed with 3 impacts on the ground minimally, and allegedly 1 destroyed with 32 missles launched.
CAP, first off, THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR THESE VIDEOS/ACTION MOVIES!!!! Could you see if there is a naval strike or carrier group that could take on a small country, like maybe Russian navy vs Israel?
Sure
I don’t doubt that Russia can shoot all those systems down but the most unrealistic thing that would actually make a difference is the max coordination
the malds probably reflect with a delay line, meaning the target the missile sees is not only bigger, but further away from the mald. i assume the mald doesn't get hit so easy
Its so close to a real world axample..
Opening salvo wow!
27:30 That was so close!
Decoys are underrated
where did you get this map from?
Wouldn't the SU-27 or SU-25 be better suited to carry the Storm Shadow? Ukraine operates both.
Agree
So as a former "Gator Freighter" sailor, LHD8 to be specific, I've wondered how an amphibious strike group set to jump carrier load (21 harrier/f35b and 2 s60s) would fair in action against a ww2 strike group. A amphibious strike group consists of 1 lpd, 1 lsd, 1 cruiser and 2 destroyers (up to 8 addional helos *ah1, uh1, sh60, sh53, ch46*
Modern LHD/LHAs are of comparable size to ww2 carriers at ~844ft (257m) by 110ft (32m)
I was on the Makin Island LHD 8 one of the worse deployments ever experienced lol never again
After hearing about the kamikaze MALDs i want to see a simulation of it hitting a T-80 at 600 knots done by one of those balistic simulation channels
Hi, Cap & Co. Something came to mind while I was watching the new video today, and I’m not sure that you guys have quite done ‘this’. At least if you have I haven’t been able to find it.
In terms of an external weapons load-out adding drag to an aircraft, which in turn of course reduces speed & fuel efficiency - perhaps you could do an experiment in which you take a fighter, for instance an F-15, with various load outs, and fly at the maximum possible speed at a certain altitude. Let’s say 30K feet. Once at max speed, launch a missile and see what the reduction of drag would allow in additional speed. The idea being to learn if a particular missile has an actual drag ‘value’ that is consistent. Additionally, this could be done at different altitudes to see if the ‘drag value’ curve is in fact consistent. The same could obviously be done with various bomb load outs as well.
It’s a bit of an ‘obvious’ principle to experiment with. But I think the result would be rather fascinating. And as best as I can tell, it’s something that the illustrious Grim Reapers have yet to do.
All the best to you & Mrs Cap, and of course to Baby Cap! My best ‘dad advice’ would be this… even when you’ve been sleepless for longer than you would’ve thought humanly possible, try and make a note to truly be a sponge & soak EVERYthing in. Because later on when ‘Baby Cap’ is ‘Teenager Cap’, you will cherish every single memory of him as a little one. Accumulate as many of those memories as you guys can.
Hi Doc. I did take a little look at this a few years back:
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@@grimreapers Outstanding! I thought I had looked through everything. I guess I missed these.
Thanks, Cap! 👍🏼
Hi Cap,
I was wondering if the new generation of stand off range glide bombs we see being developed have made strategic bombers relevant/survivable in the battlefield again. Would it be possible for you guys to check that?
For example, would a mass B-52 arc light style raid, with the planes releasing loads of JDAM-ERs, be able to overwhelm/destroy an IADS & a random strategic target?
Absolutely look at lrasm and other cruise missiles strategic bombers and also now rapid dragon have brought the big boys back into the spotlight
@@Utubesuperstar right, but those are missiles
expensive & complex missiles.
I'm wondering more if modern glide bombs made bombers not only survivable but also profitable again in the battlefield.
Will investigate.
Not quite what you asked for but has similarities: ruclips.net/video/k4T1WWtVyYk/видео.html
how many defensive rounds were left when the Storm Shadows arrived? Was it confusion over decoys (what to shoot) or ran out of ammo?
Great Episode! Good thing Cap got shot down early so he could go into "God Mode" which make the episode awesome to all his fans!
Yup getting shot has its uses.
@@grimreapers Please understand that I am a big fan of GR who watches all your episodes. This makes me uniquely suitable to provide feedback. That is why I think that in order to increase your viewers, you should be in "God Mode" because it not only allows all your viewers to have a greater experience which would result in more viewers and more revenue for your family. I believe you are a great DCS pilot, but you have to think about your new family and embrace opportunities to bring in more revenue because at the end of the day, all you have left is your friends and family.
The SU-27/24 is the only thing that could actually carry storm shadows due to their weight
Considering the MOD admitted that the Harrier GR9 could have carried Storm Shadow I'm sure a MiG-29 could easily with a modification or two if necessary.
@@Rover200Power Storm Shadow is too heavy for a Mig-29's wings, the centreline drop tank station could accommodate the weight (its drop tanks weigh exactly the same as a Storm Shadow) though you would be reducing the aircrafts combat range to around 500 miles. The Germans modified their Mig-29's to plumb the inline wing pylons for external fuel tanks to get more range, but that reduced the weight of weapons it could carry on the other wing pylons to just short range missiles. Harrier could carry upto 1900kg on a wing pylon (as long as 500kg was carried on the other wing to balance it) but the weapon was never software integrated.
Agreed, will eventually get it working with Su-24.
MiG-29 could carry one on the centreline.
@@LondonSteveLee Thats a fuel tank connection not a weapon station though its rated for the same weight, you could wire it and accept losing half the Mig-29's combat range, but its some work. Anyway theyve now confirmed they are using the SU-24M as the launch platform.
where can i download this map?
Hey GR's, another great simulation but I thought that the recent loss of 5 Russian aircraft was due to Russian friendly fire, which seemed to be unlikely in my humble opinion unless something was able to interfere with the Russian Telesponder system. Could a ADM-160C "MALD-J", cause the Russians to mistake their own aircraft as enemy targets and cause them to shoot down automatically?
You would Also have a mix of real missiles in with the decoys.
I think that's how they are going to launch the strom shadow. In the middle of the su -jet bomber. That was a good way how everything works. On a permit day. Also the shadow can hug the lsnd and move around, that was good .👍👾
how do you get buk to hit air missiles? mine only go for planes never missiles
And lets be honest the Russian Military claims as to how good there equipment is, is in question in a big way and the competency of the Russian Operators as well.
MALDs can be programmed with over 250 waypoints
can fly missions with up to 256 predefined waypoints. The mission profile is preprogrammed, but can be redefined by the pilot of the launching aircraft until immediately before launch.
I wish we could do that.
1:39 i just noticed the ad on the right. oops. That is the real reason why GR gets the Content Daddy hate.
Remember: Patriot system is vulnerable to the exact same tactic
Could be the updated MIG-29 that Poland have given to Ukraine. Believe those are updated to NATO standard/weapons
Noted
Doing a blanked missile attach will leave any radar defense system overwhelmed , especially when most militaries will only cover the important infrastructure and industrial areas and their troops and gear , leaving civilians exposed . Maybe put civilian casualties to really put things into prospective , not just the dollar cost . Because this is make believe, real life is getting real at the present moment of a superior complex by us here in the west .
The original ARM was the Standard ARM, based on iirc the SM1. The HARM(AGM-88) was basically an AIM-7 Sparrow modified to be anti-radiation. Wonder if anyone has thought about doing the same to SM2 or SM6 to be anti-radar. I would think you'd get even more range and better pk from that
IRL Russian's wouldn't be able to tell b/c some MALDs will be bombers and others will be escort. Would look like a real strike package until you VID them.
Just started getting into DCS and bought FC3, will I be able to fly this MiG-29M (for 'MURICA) mod?
Sadly not, but core game Mig-29S is still shit hot.
GR HAS ALLERGY to show us the launchers cinematic to see the launch of the missile's and not god mode all time or following a missile for minutes
If you don't attack the decoys as a standard practice, then you could easily have a real plane added into the mix, something like a B2....and THAT could do much damage, so unless there is something showing it is a decoy, then defense HAS to shoot.
I'd be curious to try high-performance ultralight airplanes(like Blackshape Prime for example) armed maybe with something like a MG or a PKT intercepting Shaed drones