The few times I've built a floating floor, I've included a layer of 5/8" drywall sandwiched between 2 layers of ply for the deck. Helps a little with low end trans mission.
Oh yeah it would, good thinkin. Kinda like the using 2 different thickness drywall back to back on the wall to absorb the different frequencies. But really no complaints here with our floor build, what we did was PLENTY hefty considering being inside a whole other room. The low end got sucked up just fine, super punchy toms n kick drums, also had thick rubber "rests" or "stands" we set some amps on while we were up and running! Thanks for watching :-)
Oh yea! It’s attributed(or something similar) to the quote by Denis Diderot. Fitting bass drum skin art for a punk rock band, thanks for checkin out the build video 🤘🏼
Thanks for checking out the video. Glad you liked it. A lot of people ask me about this so I’m copy/pasting an answer :-) Those rubber squares below the subfloor are hand cut horse stall mats, bought from Tractor Supply. 3/4” thick 3’x4’. Measured, gridded and sliced/chopped into 4 inch squares then liquid nails sandwiched together. Took a long time, sore hands. ✌🏼
Nice studio build. A suggestion for next time: Angle the walls since they are non structural. Break the walls in the middle along the horizontal length and push the middle out by 8-10 inches. You might slope the ceiling. This is to avoid parallel surfaces. For the control room make the front of the room a trapezoidal shape, slope the ceiling and break the side and back walls. Again this is to avoid parallel surfaces. These simple steps will reduce standing wave problems at very little cost.
Thanks for the question, but we knew about all these suggestions when we built the place, big project and we did almost everything you mentioned. Just couldn’t cover those details in this short time lapse. This came out amazing didn’t have any issues with standing waves at all, we had punchy drums without really any low buildup in any of the corners. If i rebuilt thevstudio again after dismantling this place, I would do exactly the same. The angled walls are unparalleled slightly, and we only had two parallel walls and they were 24 feet across from each other with plenty of absorption and diffusion so no issue there. Thanks for watching the video and for your input.
Thanks for checking out the video. Glad you liked it. The rubber squares are hand cut horse stall mats, bought from Tractor Supply. 3/4” thick 3’x4’. Measured, gridded and sliced/chopped into 4 inch squares then liquid nails sandwiched together. Took a long time, sore hands. ✌🏼
Absolutely spot on. I'm about to design and build out our metal barn, which also has a concrete slab, and am wondering what you think a good basic budget would be to do something like you've done here. Thoughts?
From an earlier reply of mine to the same question: Oh man, that's a wide question. So raw building materials alone? Going from memory(we built in 2015) I believe it was somewhere near $29k, doing ALL the labor ourselves from flat slab inside a warehouse to floated floors, walls, doors, lights, windows, etc... The recording gear, cabling and instruments is a whole other deal obviously.
Hi and thanks for the kind words. So do you mean measure the R value of the insulation? We we’re building a ‘room in a room’ studio so our R value requirements are different than a typical build. We needed isolation and dampening that’s not like a heat/cold coefficient. We paid more attention to the inside studio walls diffusion and not having standing waves than exterior sound leakage. We did pay attention to all measurements just not all were traditional toward house construction.
Model 280 actually, but close. Sold it to Billy Corgan in 2019 :-) I delivered it from Austin to his studio in Chicago✌🏼 thanks for checking out the video!
Thanks for checking out the video. A lot of people ask me about this so I’m copy/pasting an answer :-) Those rubber squares below the subframe are hand cut horse stall mats, bought from Tractor Supply. 3/4” thick 3’x4’. Measured, gridded and sliced/chopped into 4 inch squares then liquid nails sandwiched together. Took a long time, sore hands. ✌🏼
We made them out of heavy black rubber 3'x4'x 3/4" horse stall mat we bought at Tractor Supply. It took alot of work and a couple days, cutting strips by hand with razor blades and with a chop saw eventually after our hands gave out, and a 4' straight edge level. Labor of love. Thanks for checking out the video!
Wow, gorgeous! How do you block those large false walls between the ceiling and floor? Between the control room and the recording room? Is there a technique besides elastic suspensions??
@@groundliftstudio851thanks very much for watching, but I’m not sure what you mean by false walls though, they’re real walls connected to the floating floor, top and bottom plates with ceiling joists spanning across the top. Do you mean how do we brace them next to one another once we lift them off the floor after we build them? In that case since this is a room in a room slightly under engineered because we won’t have the weight of roofing materials, joists, and insulation and drywall, we just had a couple of nail guns ready to tack the corners together really quick while we continue to build the next wall. If that’s not what you meant message me again and I’ll do my best to answer :-)
@@SkyAcreRandomEtc In the meantime, thanks for your reply. By false walls I mean the wooden frames you made. I wanted to understand only the blocking in the upper part, if it was carried out on the ceiling of the existing structure and if you used suspensions. But I understand that all the weight is placed on the floating floor. Beautiful, I hope to be able to make mine soon (I'm already sweating a lot)! Much luck to you!
@@groundliftstudio851 ooohhh understood, yeah so they are basically giant floating iso boxes, not attached to the wall or the ceiling. Imagine those small guitar cabinet iso boxes but instead 24 feet wide 14 feet tall, sitting on the rubber pucks and floated floor. I totally see what you’re asking now. Yeah it was a little tricky. We did put a cleat sticking out on the very top of the walls after we built them flat on the floor so that when we lifted them up, they didn’t tilt back the extra 2 feet where the air gap is to the existing inside warehouse wall so that they just rested there giving us enough time to, brace it and lift the other wall, making the right angle and connecting them at the corners so they were rigid and sturdy. Then we worked our way around, making sure they were plumb and level before starting the cross joists for the ceiling drywall. Big project, best to you with your project!
Appreciate that! I think you’re asking about the batts of insulation between the plywood layers. That’s just typical pink fiberglass, we wanted a slightly resonant floor, more to control the low frequencies rather than totally dead like a sand fill sub floor would do. Floating the whole thing on the rubber pucks and having just enough pink insul in the sub floor was perfect for the drums and amps to sound full in the room on the oak floors.
No it’s no longer up and running, completely dismantled it screw by screw board by board late 2019. Getting into live shows again, Austin is changing ALOT and I found a large format studio just wasn’t viable for me to keep open. There are so many world class established studios here.
Spent many many days slowly dismantling screw by screw board by board, saving virtually everything except for the drywall and stored it for awhile, then using it for many other random builds. Pretty nice to have a stock pile of reclaimed materials. Poured a slab here in Austin to eventually build another smaller studio. Thanks for checking out the video.
Appreciate it! Turned out great, wouldn’t change a thing. I know there are hundreds of details and suggestions for all these types of builds, we did a whole lot of research and the studio sounded amazing! we paid attention to standing waves, isolation, diffusion, absorption, golden ratios all that. With all the layers and bulk material a couple of extra overlap seams wouldn’t have made a difference in this particular build for us. It was a room in a room in a warehouse and we achieved all the isolation and frequency control we needed to. Thanks for checking out the video ✌🏼
What was the rubber or foam you layed down before the floor? Looking to diy a sound room in a warehouse by train tracks that would be great for the vubrations
Hi Tre, it’s 1/4” rubber roll beneath the oak wood flooring, we got it from Tractor Supply. If you meant the pucks we laid out at the very very beginning of the video before we laid out the sub-floor frame, those were sliced up 4” pucks of 4’x6’x3/4” horse mat we also got at Tractor Supply and spent 3 whole days slicing by hand with a 4’ aluminum straight edge level and SEVERAL packs of razor blades. Labor of love. ✌🏼
PS works very well for low end or sub freq vibrations, this studio was located directly next to a print shop with some huge turn if the 20th century lathes and iron presses, really helped decouple our floor and walls from that rumble.
Hi i me and my neighbour share common wall between our houses, while the ocassional music sound doesnt annoy me but the thing which mostly annoys is they have their kitchen cabinet and bed attached to the wall which creates a lot of vibrations like bassy vibrations. Its not something they do on purpose but its the thin wall which amplifies it and i have my toielt and empty ventillaton shaft next to it which multiplies the sound 10 times as well do you think if i create a 4 wall structure with attached door and ceiling onto it like a room within my room will this help eleminate the vibrations? im a aspiring musician and this thing is creating a lot of trouble in my productivity. I hope you will answer,
Thanks for checking out the video. Glad you liked it. A lot of people ask me about this so I’m copy/pasting an answer :-) Those rubber squares below the subframe are hand cut horse stall mats, bought from Tractor Supply. 3/4” thick 3’x4’. Measured, gridded and sliced/chopped into 4 inch squares then liquid nails sandwiched together. Took a long time, sore hands. ✌🏼
@king-korestudio6311 Thanks for watching our build video, This was a room in a room build with a 2 foot airgap between us and the adjacent tenant which was an industrial print shop. The additional cost of "Rockwool" would have been wasted, and deemed unnecessary. The sound coefficient wasn't there. But if you have personal experience to show otherwise please include a link, love to see it.
@quaffer781 Hi! So we made them out of heavy black rubber 3'x4'x 3/4" horse stall mat we bought at Tractor Supply. Cut them into 4" squares. It took alot of work and a couple days, cutting strips by hand with razor blades and with a chop saw eventually after our hands gave out, and a 4' straight edge level. I think there is a short blip of us chopping the pucks behind my Sprinter van somewhere in the video. Labor of love. Thanks for the question and watching!
What are the black squares you put on the floor to float it please? Are they rubber? I am wanting to build the same in my warehouse. Room inside of a room
Hi, yes they are square 4” x3/4” hand cut rubber pucks from 3’x4’x3/4” horse stall floor mats we bought at Tractor Supply. We gridded it out, cut them by hand with razor blades and cop saw and a good metal 4 foot level. It took a while but was worth it, very strong and heavy duty. Good luck on your build. Very rewarding and quite and undertaking ✌🏼
Thanks for the question, unsure which foam you mean though? Are you talking about the black puck squares below the floors? If so I’ve answered that same question a handful of times on here because they look unusual. So they are hand measured hand chopped heavy rubber 4’x6’ horse stall mat pads we bought at tractor supply. Slicedthem into strips with razor blades and a 4 foot level then chopped them into 4 inch squares with a saw. Then sandwich them together with liquid nails and gridded them out on the floor with chocolate before laying out the plywood. Crazy. It worked very, very well.
Those were surprisingly good, VERY heavy higher end model, can’t remember the exact number. They were spaced about 1’ from each other, slight tilt on one if them to prevent cross waves or standing waves from building up. If I did a another studio again I’d reuse them, cheaper than heavy slab glass. I think these Pellas were $450 each, but that’s 2015 or 16 prices. Thanks for checking out our video ✌🏼
Thank you! So the initial pucks we threw down are made from 4x6x3/4” heavy duty rubber horse stall mat from Tractor Supply, sometimes gyms use these for their flooring, that we scored and chopped into 4” pucks with razor knives into strips then chopped to 4” square pucks with a chop saw. Laid those out on grid with chalk lines on the slab. 3/4” inch plywood sheets on those, then dbl 2x4 cross supports with batt insulation then 2x 3/4” plywood layers. Then 1/4” rubber roll on top of the plywood as an underlayment for the 3/4” solid oak floor planks. Quite a chunky floor. Made the drums sound great! Thanks for checking out the video 🤘🏼
Hah yes, well this would be filed under the ‘DIY’ category of this channel. Honestly this was kind of an afterthought video of one of the biggest DIY projects I’ve done and it’s actually eclipsed the first/main camping SUV set up a video that I made. Never figured that’d happen. Thanks for watching :-)
Thanks for checking out the video. A lot of people ask me about this…. Those rubber squares below the subframe are hand cut horse stall mats, bought from Tractor Supply. 3/4” thick 3’x4’. Measured, gridded and sliced/chopped into 4 inch squares then liquid nails sandwiched together. Took a long time, sore hands. ✌🏼
What are the black squares on the floor at the beginning of the video made out of please? I'm looking to build a rehearsal and recording studio and I'm researching materials at the moment.
@thekembe27 so we made them out of heavy black rubber 3'x4'x 3/4" horse stall mat we bought at Tractor Supply. It took alot of work and a couple days, cutting strips by hand with razor blades and with a chop saw eventually after our hands gave out, and a 4' straight edge level. I think there is a short blip of us chopping the pucks beghind my Sprinter van somewhere in the video. Labor of love. Thanks for the question and watching!
@@SkyAcreRandomEtc that’s fantastic information. I really appreciate the reply. The studio looks amazing. I’m very jealous. Enjoy it and treasure it. Thank you.
Thanks for the question, but honestly its been too long since the build to breakdown just the floor and walls cost. Plus the price equivalent would be way way off now anyway, material cost have changed soooo much. The build budget was alot, gained so much experience in audio and construction by doing it all ourselves.
Same question, what are those small black boxes you spread on the floor at the start of the video? And did you just put them on the floor without any further reinforcement or etc? Don't they move, later, if you just put them like that?
Thanks for checking out the video. A lot of people ask me about this…. Those rubber squares below the subframe are hand cut horse stall mats, bought from Tractor Supply. 3/4” thick 3’x4’. Measured, gridded and sliced/chopped into 4 inch squares then liquid nails sandwiched together. Took a long time, sore hands. ✌🏼
@@mojito6629thanks for the question. They didn’t move at all. Thanks for checking out the video. A lot of people ask me about the rubber squares below the subframe are hand cut horse stall mats, bought from Tractor Supply. 3/4” thick 3’x4’. Measured, gridded and sliced/chopped into 4 inch squares then liquid nails sandwiched together. Took a long time, sore hands. ✌🏼
A typical storefront style industrial warehouse in North East Austin ,TX. 16' ceilings and s lab concrete floor. Nothing fancy. In cognito exterior. Loud neighbors, and low brow clientele all around so we fit right in :-)
From my earlier reply to the same question: Oh man, that's a wide question. So raw building materials alone? Going from memory(we built in 2015) I believe it was somewhere near $29k, doing ALL the labor ourselves from flat slab inside a warehouse to floated floors, walls, doors, lights, windows, etc... The recording gear, cabling and instruments is a whole other deal obviously.
Oh no on the contrary, we achieved very good isolation, more than we needed/expected even since this was a studio room in a room. Never fought any major sound leaks, the rooms were punchy and live sounding but also controlled. No real standing waves, or low end build up, almost no bleeding room to room. Not much I’d change if rebuilt it. Thanks for the suggestion and thanks for watching.
@@dksktm Hey there, so besides the two small 5x7 iso booths/rooms. The main live room: 24’x20’ with 14’ ceiling. Smaller live/drum room, a pentagon shape approx 19’x13’ tapered to 10’ on the narrow side with a 14’ ceiling. ✌🏼
Thanks. I think (especially the main live room) that is about the ideal "golden ratio" room size. Nice. I really appreciate how you took time to answer almost every questions on your video, even when they are repeated questions. Great!
Hi, yes it a warehouse. A typical bland front commercial space with "store front" style entrance and commercial overhead roll up garage doors out back. Very helpful with getting building materials in and out. This warehouse had 16' ceilings with an insulated roof. So we built the studio floated off the slab and the walls/ceiling just up to the inside ceilings. A plus is you get to build year round without any weather threats. A drawback is finding a space that will let you build inside, and you are limited to whatever the space size is. Thanks for watching
You know, we built it so long ago now that the material equivalent would not add up at all. But I do believe a few years ago I did come up with some type of an estimate and replied on an older comment. Big project big budget, near 60k just materials/rent during the buildout timeframe. That’s excluding all recoding equipment, thats a whole other deal :-) Thanks for checking out the timelapse! ✌🏼
2x4’s mostly. With 2x6 top and bottom plates so the wall was wider, floated double stud walls. Where the inside sheet rock is only attached to the inner row of studs and the exterior sheet rock is attached to the outer row. Cutting down on low end frequencies and vibrations continuing through the wall. The ceiling joists are 2x8’s or 2x10 for the wider spans in the live room. Thanks for checking out the video.
No not as a business, we are lifelong musicians always moving forward and wanted to try our hand at a legit studio space. I’ve built out several garages sheds and bedrooms as jam rooms and studios in the last 25 years. A little carpentry knowledge, sone youtube videos and patience and I’m sure you can come up with a space that will work for you. Thank you for checking the video out ✌🏼
@@bernardoavalossantos5245 hah! yeah it was a no joke build! Even with back in the day material prices :) my next house will be a purpose built hybrid house/studio on some raw land way out, thanks for watchin 🤘🏼
@rmroza This was a room in a room build with a 2 foot airgap between us and the adjacent tenant which was an industrial print shop. The additional cost of "Rockwool" would have been wasted, and deemed unnecessary. The sound coefficient wasn't there. But if you have personal experience to show otherwise please include a link.
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wow, this is some serious isolation. Awesome!!
So awesome
I was there to watch the studio build time lapse, I found a really good music. Well done for all
The couch at about 4:02 is epic. It totally makes the studio.
Thank you! Was my grandparents couch I have pictures of them hanging out on it in the 60’s! We dig it, it really ties the room together
@@SkyAcreRandomEtcwhat was the total cost for a project like this brodie🤙🏿
Amazing Yoga tutorial at 0:44! 🧘🏻
Hah! Thanks!
Gotta keep limber! 😹
Epic! Totally Jealous! You guys did it right!
What a nice video! Best time lapse I've ever seen of a proper insulation.
Wow! Great work, now enjoy!!!
super dope lads
Excellent job!
Hope to have the same energy for the next one!
Amazing gear I recorded on Trident in LA in late 80's everything sounded good thru it drums especially you guys did a great job
I watched this probably 20 times before I did my studio build and video. Great job with this!
awesome
Well shit. Came to see the build. Stayed for the band. Love it.
Thanks for saying!! We are finally getting back to live shows again as a band, and trying to get a new EP recording this spring ✌🏼
I owned a Trident TSM for many years. I sold it when ProTools came out. I liked the wow effect it created. Good luck with your studio!
nice build!
Sweet build, love the studio.
Wow, what an amazing Job!
Ace!
The few times I've built a floating floor, I've included a layer of 5/8" drywall sandwiched between 2 layers of ply for the deck. Helps a little with low end trans mission.
Oh yeah it would, good thinkin. Kinda like the using 2 different thickness drywall back to back on the wall to absorb the different frequencies. But really no complaints here with our floor build, what we did was PLENTY hefty considering being inside a whole other room. The low end got sucked up just fine, super punchy toms n kick drums, also had thick rubber "rests" or "stands" we set some amps on while we were up and running! Thanks for watching :-)
@@SkyAcreRandomEtc Looks great!
This is so cool! Awesome studio and huge investment
Respect 👌
Nice build great lookin rooms and that Ampeg cab as a drywall sawhorse :-)
Oh yea that bass cab survived the buildout btw perfect height to use as a step stool, saw horse or a way in which to amplify low frequencies
Incredible 😊
I like the bass drum skin:
"Men and women will never be free until the last king is strangled with the entrails of the last priest"
Oh yea! It’s attributed(or something similar) to the quote by Denis Diderot. Fitting bass drum skin art for a punk rock band, thanks for checkin out the build video 🤘🏼
very inspiring!
So sad to hear it had to be dismantled. :-( It looked like a fun place to play.
Better than most music videos! What a DIY project! Hope the new space is working well for you.
Awesome studio, awesome video, awesome music!
Wow 🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥
bro that aint a home studios, thats a warehouse studio aha. Sick video!
Thanks for watching, it was a great place while it was up and running :-)
Crazy !!! Inspired me
I wish you I knew more about those rubber things you placed underneath the floor
Thanks for checking out the video. Glad you liked it. A lot of people ask me about this so I’m copy/pasting an answer :-) Those rubber squares below the subfloor are hand cut horse stall mats, bought from Tractor Supply. 3/4” thick 3’x4’. Measured, gridded and sliced/chopped into 4 inch squares then liquid nails sandwiched together. Took a long time, sore hands. ✌🏼
Thanks for sharing
Nice studio build. A suggestion for next time: Angle the walls since they are non structural. Break the walls in the middle along the horizontal length and push the middle out by 8-10 inches. You might slope the ceiling. This is to avoid parallel surfaces.
For the control room make the front of the room a trapezoidal shape, slope the ceiling and break the side and back walls. Again this is to avoid parallel surfaces.
These simple steps will reduce standing wave problems at very little cost.
Thanks for the question, but we knew about all these suggestions when we built the place, big project and we did almost everything you mentioned. Just couldn’t cover those details in this short time lapse. This came out amazing didn’t have any issues with standing waves at all, we had punchy drums without really any low buildup in any of the corners. If i rebuilt thevstudio again after dismantling this place, I would do exactly the same. The angled walls are unparalleled slightly, and we only had two parallel walls and they were 24 feet across from each other with plenty of absorption and diffusion so no issue there. Thanks for watching the video and for your input.
WHO UNWRAPPED THE CABLES? LMAO!!!!!!!!!!! NICE BUILD MAN
Great video and great build! What are the black squares called used to float the structures?
Thanks for checking out the video. Glad you liked it. The rubber squares are hand cut horse stall mats, bought from Tractor Supply. 3/4” thick 3’x4’. Measured, gridded and sliced/chopped into 4 inch squares then liquid nails sandwiched together. Took a long time, sore hands. ✌🏼
Woah how much did it cost?😮
Absolutely spot on. I'm about to design and build out our metal barn, which also has a concrete slab, and am wondering what you think a good basic budget would be to do something like you've done here. Thoughts?
From an earlier reply of mine to the same question: Oh man, that's a wide question. So raw building materials alone? Going from memory(we built in 2015) I believe it was somewhere near $29k, doing ALL the labor ourselves from flat slab inside a warehouse to floated floors, walls, doors, lights, windows, etc... The recording gear, cabling and instruments is a whole other deal obviously.
Beautiful job and thank you for this time lapse. Did you measure the insulation ?
Hi and thanks for the kind words. So do you mean measure the R value of the insulation? We we’re building a ‘room in a room’ studio so our R value requirements are different than a typical build. We needed isolation and dampening that’s not like a heat/cold coefficient. We paid more attention to the inside studio walls diffusion and not having standing waves than exterior sound leakage. We did pay attention to all measurements just not all were traditional toward house construction.
scully 284. nice
Model 280 actually, but close. Sold it to Billy Corgan in 2019 :-) I delivered it from Austin to his studio in Chicago✌🏼 thanks for checking out the video!
@@SkyAcreRandomEtc Scully 280 was only offered in 1, 2 and 4 track configurations. The 8 track model is a 284.
Nice Gentlemen
What are those small black pieces that the floor was built on?
Thanks for checking out the video. A lot of people ask me about this so I’m copy/pasting an answer :-) Those rubber squares below the subframe are hand cut horse stall mats, bought from Tractor Supply. 3/4” thick 3’x4’. Measured, gridded and sliced/chopped into 4 inch squares then liquid nails sandwiched together. Took a long time, sore hands. ✌🏼
Great stuff! Can you please tell me who is the manufacturer of the rubber pieces you used to decouple the floor?
We made them out of heavy black rubber 3'x4'x 3/4" horse stall mat we bought at Tractor Supply. It took alot of work and a couple days, cutting strips by hand with razor blades and with a chop saw eventually after our hands gave out, and a 4' straight edge level. Labor of love. Thanks for checking out the video!
@@SkyAcreRandomEtc Oh man, thanks for replying, Great build you Kat's did,
Wow, gorgeous!
How do you block those large false walls between the ceiling and floor? Between the control room and the recording room? Is there a technique besides elastic suspensions??
@@groundliftstudio851thanks very much for watching, but I’m not sure what you mean by false walls though, they’re real walls connected to the floating floor, top and bottom plates with ceiling joists spanning across the top. Do you mean how do we brace them next to one another once we lift them off the floor after we build them? In that case since this is a room in a room slightly under engineered because we won’t have the weight of roofing materials, joists, and insulation and drywall, we just had a couple of nail guns ready to tack the corners together really quick while we continue to build the next wall. If that’s not what you meant message me again and I’ll do my best to answer :-)
@@SkyAcreRandomEtc In the meantime, thanks for your reply. By false walls I mean the wooden frames you made. I wanted to understand only the blocking in the upper part, if it was carried out on the ceiling of the existing structure and if you used suspensions. But I understand that all the weight is placed on the floating floor.
Beautiful, I hope to be able to make mine soon (I'm already sweating a lot)! Much luck to you!
@@groundliftstudio851 ooohhh understood, yeah so they are basically giant floating iso boxes, not attached to the wall or the ceiling. Imagine those small guitar cabinet iso boxes but instead 24 feet wide 14 feet tall, sitting on the rubber pucks and floated floor. I totally see what you’re asking now. Yeah it was a little tricky. We did put a cleat sticking out on the very top of the walls after we built them flat on the floor so that when we lifted them up, they didn’t tilt back the extra 2 feet where the air gap is to the existing inside warehouse wall so that they just rested there giving us enough time to, brace it and lift the other wall, making the right angle and connecting them at the corners so they were rigid and sturdy. Then we worked our way around, making sure they were plumb and level before starting the cross joists for the ceiling drywall. Big project, best to you with your project!
Really cool video. Hat off to you guys. What's inside those sacs under the floor?
Appreciate that! I think you’re asking about the batts of insulation between the plywood layers. That’s just typical pink fiberglass, we wanted a slightly resonant floor, more to control the low frequencies rather than totally dead like a sand fill sub floor would do. Floating the whole thing on the rubber pucks and having just enough pink insul in the sub floor was perfect for the drums and amps to sound full in the room on the oak floors.
This is awesome. I am going to be building one. Is there any way to visit yours?
No it’s no longer up and running, completely dismantled it screw by screw board by board late 2019. Getting into live shows again, Austin is changing ALOT and I found a large format studio just wasn’t viable for me to keep open. There are so many world class established studios here.
Such a great vid! Did you do anything special to make the materials easy to deconstruct and reuse on your next build?
Spent many many days slowly dismantling screw by screw board by board, saving virtually everything except for the drywall and stored it for awhile, then using it for many other random builds. Pretty nice to have a stock pile of reclaimed materials. Poured a slab here in Austin to eventually build another smaller studio. Thanks for checking out the video.
Cool room. You should stagger your drywall seams though.
Appreciate it! Turned out great, wouldn’t change a thing. I know there are hundreds of details and suggestions for all these types of builds, we did a whole lot of research and the studio sounded amazing! we paid attention to standing waves, isolation, diffusion, absorption, golden ratios all that. With all the layers and bulk material a couple of extra overlap seams wouldn’t have made a difference in this particular build for us. It was a room in a room in a warehouse and we achieved all the isolation and frequency control we needed to. Thanks for checking out the video ✌🏼
What was the rubber or foam you layed down before the floor? Looking to diy a sound room in a warehouse by train tracks that would be great for the vubrations
Hi Tre, it’s 1/4” rubber roll beneath the oak wood flooring, we got it from Tractor Supply. If you meant the pucks we laid out at the very very beginning of the video before we laid out the sub-floor frame, those were sliced up 4” pucks of 4’x6’x3/4” horse mat we also got at Tractor Supply and spent 3 whole days slicing by hand with a 4’ aluminum straight edge level and SEVERAL packs of razor blades. Labor of love. ✌🏼
PS works very well for low end or sub freq vibrations, this studio was located directly next to a print shop with some huge turn if the 20th century lathes and iron presses, really helped decouple our floor and walls from that rumble.
Appreciate man
Hi i me and my neighbour share common wall between our houses, while the ocassional music sound doesnt annoy me but the thing which mostly annoys is they have their kitchen cabinet and bed attached to the wall which creates a lot of vibrations like bassy vibrations. Its not something they do on purpose but its the thin wall which amplifies it and i have my toielt and empty ventillaton shaft next to it which multiplies the sound 10 times as well do you think if i create a 4 wall structure with attached door and ceiling onto it like a room within my room will this help eleminate the vibrations? im a aspiring musician and this thing is creating a lot of trouble in my productivity. I hope you will answer,
Not sure if this was asked before, but what material are those black pieces under the flooring sheets?
Thanks for checking out the video. Glad you liked it. A lot of people ask me about this so I’m copy/pasting an answer :-) Those rubber squares below the subframe are hand cut horse stall mats, bought from Tractor Supply. 3/4” thick 3’x4’. Measured, gridded and sliced/chopped into 4 inch squares then liquid nails sandwiched together. Took a long time, sore hands. ✌🏼
Nice work,
Rockwool would've been a better choice, but can get expensive.
@king-korestudio6311 Thanks for watching our build video, This was a room in a room build with a 2 foot airgap between us and the adjacent tenant which was an industrial print shop. The additional cost of "Rockwool" would have been wasted, and deemed unnecessary. The sound coefficient wasn't there. But if you have personal experience to show otherwise please include a link, love to see it.
Great video! Could you tell me, please what material did you use to separate the building floor from the studio floor?
@quaffer781 Hi! So we made them out of heavy black rubber 3'x4'x 3/4" horse stall mat we bought at Tractor Supply. Cut them into 4" squares. It took alot of work and a couple days, cutting strips by hand with razor blades and with a chop saw eventually after our hands gave out, and a 4' straight edge level. I think there is a short blip of us chopping the pucks behind my Sprinter van somewhere in the video. Labor of love. Thanks for the question and watching!
What are the black squares you put on the floor to float it please? Are they rubber? I am wanting to build the same in my warehouse. Room inside of a room
Hi, yes they are square 4” x3/4” hand cut rubber pucks from 3’x4’x3/4” horse stall floor mats we bought at Tractor Supply. We gridded it out, cut them by hand with razor blades and cop saw and a good metal 4 foot level. It took a while but was worth it, very strong and heavy duty. Good luck on your build. Very rewarding and quite and undertaking ✌🏼
which foam are you using for the decoupling layer?
thanks for the video
Thanks for the question, unsure which foam you mean though? Are you talking about the black puck squares below the floors? If so I’ve answered that same question a handful of times on here because they look unusual. So they are hand measured hand chopped heavy rubber 4’x6’ horse stall mat pads we bought at tractor supply. Slicedthem into strips with razor blades and a 4 foot level then chopped them into 4 inch squares with a saw. Then sandwich them together with liquid nails and gridded them out on the floor with chocolate before laying out the plywood. Crazy. It worked very, very well.
How is the isolation with those Pella ThermaStar windows?
Those were surprisingly good, VERY heavy higher end model, can’t remember the exact number. They were spaced about 1’ from each other, slight tilt on one if them to prevent cross waves or standing waves from building up. If I did a another studio again I’d reuse them, cheaper than heavy slab glass. I think these Pellas were $450 each, but that’s 2015 or 16 prices. Thanks for checking out our video ✌🏼
NICE Restore!!! What did you use to float the floor?
Thank you! So the initial pucks we threw down are made from 4x6x3/4” heavy duty rubber horse stall mat from Tractor Supply, sometimes gyms use these for their flooring, that we scored and chopped into 4” pucks with razor knives into strips then chopped to 4” square pucks with a chop saw. Laid those out on grid with chalk lines on the slab. 3/4” inch plywood sheets on those, then dbl 2x4 cross supports with batt insulation then 2x 3/4” plywood layers. Then 1/4” rubber roll on top of the plywood as an underlayment for the 3/4” solid oak floor planks. Quite a chunky floor. Made the drums sound great! Thanks for checking out the video 🤘🏼
@@SkyAcreRandomEtc Awesome! Thank you for sharing! Beard On Brother!!!
How do you handle ventilation?
Strangest camping video I ever done seen!
Hah yes, well this would be filed under the ‘DIY’ category of this channel. Honestly this was kind of an afterthought video of one of the biggest DIY projects I’ve done and it’s actually eclipsed the first/main camping SUV set up a video that I made. Never figured that’d happen. Thanks for watching :-)
What did you use to float the floor?
Thanks for checking out the video. A lot of people ask me about this…. Those rubber squares below the subframe are hand cut horse stall mats, bought from Tractor Supply. 3/4” thick 3’x4’. Measured, gridded and sliced/chopped into 4 inch squares then liquid nails sandwiched together. Took a long time, sore hands. ✌🏼
Fantastic job! Well done! May I ask how much it cost you to build the studio ?( excluding the recording gear)
What are the black squares on the floor at the beginning of the video made out of please? I'm looking to build a rehearsal and recording studio and I'm researching materials at the moment.
@thekembe27 so we made them out of heavy black rubber 3'x4'x 3/4" horse stall mat we bought at Tractor Supply. It took alot of work and a couple days, cutting strips by hand with razor blades and with a chop saw eventually after our hands gave out, and a 4' straight edge level. I think there is a short blip of us chopping the pucks beghind my Sprinter van somewhere in the video. Labor of love. Thanks for the question and watching!
@@SkyAcreRandomEtc that’s fantastic information. I really appreciate the reply. The studio looks amazing. I’m very jealous. Enjoy it and treasure it. Thank you.
How much you spent on floor and walls?
Thanks for the question, but honestly its been too long since the build to breakdown just the floor and walls cost. Plus the price equivalent would be way way off now anyway, material cost have changed soooo much. The build budget was alot, gained so much experience in audio and construction by doing it all ourselves.
Cool! What kind of black iso blocks did you use for the flooring?
Same question, what are those small black boxes you spread on the floor at the start of the video? And did you just put them on the floor without any further reinforcement or etc? Don't they move, later, if you just put them like that?
Thanks for checking out the video. A lot of people ask me about this…. Those rubber squares below the subframe are hand cut horse stall mats, bought from Tractor Supply. 3/4” thick 3’x4’. Measured, gridded and sliced/chopped into 4 inch squares then liquid nails sandwiched together. Took a long time, sore hands. ✌🏼
@@mojito6629thanks for the question. They didn’t move at all. Thanks for checking out the video. A lot of people ask me about the rubber squares below the subframe are hand cut horse stall mats, bought from Tractor Supply. 3/4” thick 3’x4’. Measured, gridded and sliced/chopped into 4 inch squares then liquid nails sandwiched together. Took a long time, sore hands. ✌🏼
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What type of building is this
A typical storefront style industrial warehouse in North East Austin ,TX. 16' ceilings and s
lab concrete floor. Nothing fancy. In cognito exterior. Loud neighbors, and low brow clientele all around so we fit right in :-)
what was the total cost of the studio, including materials, and labor
From my earlier reply to the same question: Oh man, that's a wide question. So raw building materials alone? Going from memory(we built in 2015) I believe it was somewhere near $29k, doing ALL the labor ourselves from flat slab inside a warehouse to floated floors, walls, doors, lights, windows, etc... The recording gear, cabling and instruments is a whole other deal obviously.
that drywall partition isnt going to offer any sound isolation
Oh no on the contrary, we achieved very good isolation, more than we needed/expected even since this was a studio room in a room. Never fought any major sound leaks, the rooms were punchy and live sounding but also controlled. No real standing waves, or low end build up, almost no bleeding room to room. Not much I’d change if rebuilt it. Thanks for the suggestion and thanks for watching.
what are the room dimensions ?
@@dksktm Hey there, so besides the two small 5x7 iso booths/rooms. The main live room: 24’x20’ with 14’ ceiling. Smaller live/drum room, a pentagon shape approx 19’x13’ tapered to 10’ on the narrow side with a 14’ ceiling. ✌🏼
Thanks. I think (especially the main live room) that is about the ideal "golden ratio" room size. Nice. I really appreciate how you took time to answer almost every questions on your video, even when they are repeated questions. Great!
Is a warehouse?
Hi, yes it a warehouse. A typical bland front commercial space with "store front" style entrance and commercial overhead roll up garage doors out back. Very helpful with getting building materials in and out. This warehouse had 16' ceilings with an insulated roof. So we built the studio floated off the slab and the walls/ceiling just up to the inside ceilings. A plus is you get to build year round without any weather threats. A drawback is finding a space that will let you build inside, and you are limited to whatever the space size is. Thanks for watching
Please, tell me, what name your mixer?
It’s a 1979 Trident Series 80 56 Channel. An original 80 before the 80B and 80C.
How much you spend in this studio?
A lot
You know, we built it so long ago now that the material equivalent would not add up at all. But I do believe a few years ago I did come up with some type of an estimate and replied on an older comment. Big project big budget, near 60k just materials/rent during the buildout timeframe. That’s excluding all recoding equipment, thats a whole other deal :-) Thanks for checking out the timelapse! ✌🏼
Thank you!!
Which wood has been used to make all that frame sir?
2x4’s mostly. With 2x6 top and bottom plates so the wall was wider, floated double stud walls. Where the inside sheet rock is only attached to the inner row of studs and the exterior sheet rock is attached to the outer row. Cutting down on low end frequencies and vibrations continuing through the wall. The ceiling joists are 2x8’s or 2x10 for the wider spans in the live room. Thanks for checking out the video.
@@SkyAcreRandomEtc Thank you for the reply sir, but my question is which wood you have been used to build that fram?
Untreated yellow pine
Hi do you guys do this as a business? I need help building mines
No not as a business, we are lifelong musicians always moving forward and wanted to try our hand at a legit studio space. I’ve built out several garages sheds and bedrooms as jam rooms and studios in the last 25 years. A little carpentry knowledge, sone youtube videos and patience and I’m sure you can come up with a space that will work for you. Thank you for checking the video out ✌🏼
i have to sell my house to make this real...
@@bernardoavalossantos5245 hah! yeah it was a no joke build! Even with back in the day material prices :) my next house will be a purpose built hybrid house/studio on some raw land way out, thanks for watchin 🤘🏼
After all that work, you used regular insulation instead of Rock Wool?!??😮
You used rockwool in your studio build? Can you send me pictures of the install?
@rmroza This was a room in a room build with a 2 foot airgap between us and the adjacent tenant which was an industrial print shop. The additional cost of "Rockwool" would have been wasted, and deemed unnecessary. The sound coefficient wasn't there. But if you have personal experience to show otherwise please include a link.