Can GCI Defeat RMC?!?
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- Опубликовано: 28 янв 2023
- Both RMC and GCI are top tier coaster companies in their own ways, but does GCI have what it takes to push RMC out of the spotlight? The answer is more nuanced than you might expect at first glance!
I've had this one cooking for quite a while, so I hope you enjoy!
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Hearing about GCIs reaction to the loss of wildcatms bid broke me more than I thought it would
same, but i think its a good thing. a real sign for them to get out there with titan track, to be better than rmc and just leave wildcat in the past
I think titan track will win eventually, just because it is cheaper to maintain. This means more smaller parks will be able to get a good coaster with low maintenance costs at a relatively cheap price. If GCI makes the infinity flyers as weld free and easy to maintain as possible, titan track will be a major hit.
The infinity fliers are milled out of one block of aluminum and are super easy to maintain!! Also comfortable as heck too but that’s just my opinion
RMC has some of the best coasters I've ever riden, I don't think it'll go away
1:30 PTC’s design crew had retired by then. That’s why KI’s team didn’t reach out to PTC. However, some engineers did help them out with force equations and other helpful info.
You learn something new every day. Thank you!
@@StationWait no problem, also, have you heard anything about Lake Compounce's Wildcat and Boulder Dash as well getting Titan Track?
Yes! Both are in talks, Wildcat for a full retracking, boulder dash for partial
@@StationWait Oh great! I think the park needs it
@@StationWait Hypocrisy time: full Titan retracking for Wildcat, RMC conversion for Dash. Let's get twelve or fifteen moments of ejector on the return run, and a zero-G stall inches above the ground over a hill.
They seem to be trying not to compete with RMC. If you want a complete makeover you go to RMC. If you want to use Titan Track as a fix for the worst parts of your woodie, you go to GCI. They seem to be positioning it as the more conservative option, that a coaster that has Titan Track is still, basically, a woodie--that's the case even with Zambezi Zinger, which is a ground-up project. It's a different niche: they're competing more with Gravity Group's prefab woodie retracking projects (which promise to give you the effect without going to steel at all) than with RMC. Whether there's enough of a market there, I don't know.
They are offering full overhauls too, the product is just too new for anyone to have bought one yet!
Yeah, those full overhauls would probably be similar to Zambezi Zinger. They would probably do a regular retrack on most of the coaster, with titan track used to add inversions or other elements not done traditionally on woodies and patch up the rough spots. Always great to see a new take on a wooden coaster
The other thing I didn't realize when I wrote this comment is that RMC now offers the overhaul-lite touchup too ("208 ReTraK"), they already did it to a ride or two at Silverwood, and they're doing it to Mine Blower at Fun Spot Kissimmee. Mine Blower was a Gravity Group ride--one thing that's clear in all this news is that loyalty to the original manufacturer doesn't count for anything in this biz.
RMC also did this early on with Topper Track, tried it with SFNE's Cyclone before it got the full RMC treatment to become Wicked Cyclone, but the spot Topper Track refurbishments didn't seem to work out all that well.
Wow, apparently not a single park has expressed any interest in the TRex. But steel track keeping the same design as the wooden track at a much cheaper cost seems like a very promising option, because it can help parks that DON'T want to convert their older wooden rides. Imagine all the great historic rides that can get a face lift but without drastic changes
Can already do that with rmc's topper track 2.0 I forget it's name.
@@lastone032085 right, but that doesn't seem to be getting much use. Unless it's been used on a bunch of coasters I don't know about.
@@mithramusic5909 it's a new product as of 2022. It'll be a while.
@@lastone032085 ah that makes sense. That means there's still time for someone else to make that their niche. Either way I think it's too late to follow RMC and beat them at their own game, and GCI will have to carve out their own identity and meet a different demand
@@lastone032085 208 ReTraK. It seems like the idea of doing this with Topper Track just didn't work all that well--I suspect Topper Track is just a dead product at this point, but 208 is basically replacing the wood track with IBox instead.
I've yet to ride an RMC coaster but Kings Island is my home park and mystic timbers gave me mild vibes of what I imagine an RMC feeling like
Bro...Great video...Learned something new and I've been a coaster enthusiast for 50 years...Thanks!
That was so much great information! I'm excited to watch this company duel. Especially because we haven't seen a full titan track model yet.
Do a vid on Gravity Group's pre-fabricated track. They seem to be coming on strong too. Though shalt not steel. What a great tagline
I’ve been considering doing a video on GG for months, I just haven’t found the story I want to tell yet
@@StationWait Do eet. Your takes have been quality so far.
Great video man, I can tell a lot of research went into this one. I personally hope both companies continue to push each other to thrive in the Industry. Also interesting to see Gravity Groups new wood prefab track getting a bit more traction this year. Can't wait to ride Zambezi Zinger later this year, mainly to experience the Infinity Flyer trains, they look superb...!
This was very well done. Thank you for the awesome watch👊
Glad you enjoyed it!
I grew up riding Boulder Dash, so CCI will always have a special place in my heart.
Silver comet at Fantasy Island was my home CCI. It’s nostalgic for me
This sounds like a good video!
You’ve been putting out great content lately
Thank you! That was my goal this year
GCI is one of my favorite coaster manufacturers so I hope titan track will catch on and we can see a full titan track coaster in North America
There’s one in discussion for a full retracking (wildcat at lake Compounce)
I have loved everything that GCI does. I love how they profile their rides, I love how their coasters ride and how intense they can be. I hope to see GCI succeed with Titan Track and can't wait for what that could mean. Though it really is sad to me that they lost the bid for Wildcat.
Joris en de draak at the Efteling, in the Netherlands get at januari ‘23 his peace of titan track, and its awesome! 14:03
Sniff ahhhh! I love the smell of a coaster war in the morning!
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This is a great thing for us the enthusiast and the consumer. I hope this rivalry continues to grow, because great things will come. Forcing one another to think out side the box, to out do one another. And we will reap the reward of it. The constant battle of who can make it bigger, who can make it faster, who can do it better. Will give us some amazing coasters only a coaster war can bring.
That’s what I think too. I’ve seen a coaster war brewing for quite a while but it looks like it might be about to lick off soon
@@StationWait oh definitely! And the fact that RMC did get the wildcat bid over CGI, I think was their “shot heard around the world”. Also food for thought, I’m hoping one starts with Zamperla and Intamin. That’s if Zamperla is doing “dragster 2.0”. But 4 companies in battle, for who is the king in their respected fields! Oh buddy ! We are about to see the apocalypse of coaster wars!! lol
@@thecoasterdad9808 If someone's starting a war with Intamin isn't it MACK rides? The racing launch coaster for Epic Universe looks incredible, as does the hyper they're doing for Thorpe. What I'm REALLY hoping for is a new, crazy MACK extreme spinner in the states. I'd love to experience Ride to Happiness without having to travel to Belgium. :p
@@heysatan8 Some how forgot about MACK lol. I believe when I made this comment, i was thinking that zamperla was upgrading old Intamin coasters. So basically taking their work from them. Kinda how RMC got the wildcat deal and not Titian track. But the MACK hypers look sick ! I’d like to see one on vortex’s plot at KI.
Jeff Gramke told me they just wanted to build The Beast themselves.
Shocked you didn't mention Ravine Flyer II, it was initially designed by CCI but built in '08 by GCI. World class at release, now is still a little rough but Waldameer has been slowly retracting and reworking it every year. It's still a bit rough, but for the area it's still S tier for me.
Ravine Flyer II is a gravity group. Definitely great though, especially for its area. I drove down 2 hours to ride it this past summer
Even though Ravine Flyer II is Gravity Group, I get what you're saying. Waldameer was actually retracking some sections of the ride this past winter. I've got another coaster club event there this summer. Hopefully we get some ERT on RF again! Also, Waldameer is debuting their new water coaster this year.
My answer to the question in the title: HECK NO! GCi is great but everything gci may come up with in the future rmc has already perfected.
Hersheypark is my local park. I was actually hoping it would be GCI redoing wildcat. I was happy it was RMC because I love rides like steel vengence, but I can relate to GCI's pain about losing their very first coaster.
We have Lightning Racer - I think that'd be a good ride for GCI to boost up lol.
I think GCI has an advantage to RMC being I’d like to assume the Titan Track is lighter than Ibox, allowing for parks to retrack their woodies to steel without layout changes
Wished RMC would redo Timberwolf.
I believe it's still the longest woodie.
Also are we really using the same 15 seconds of music over and over and over and over?? Im going crazy!
GCI 100% has the upper Hand with their trains. I would love to experience a smooth, inversion and airtime filled fast paced ride on a millenium Flyer
Millenoum flyers can’t do inversions, but infinity flyers can and they are super comfortable too!
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I love GCI and RMC. Both incredible companies!
They are...to me they are equal in their own ways
Nice new PFP
Holy crap the dinn corporation??
I honestly disagree with this because rmc has just shown us we don’t even need wooden coaster
Their sales have dropped significantly in the last 5 years
@@StationWait That's partially because Six Flags was their main partner and most SF parks already have an RMC.
Also, Fred Grubb said they're booked solid for five years out.
I’m really curious to see what GCI could’ve done to Wildcat
Yeah I’m interested if the proposal was a straight retract or a full redesign
I wouldn't be surprise it's just a Mystic Timber 2.0. At best
@@Tay_Sports I wanted the rmc ever since the rumors started going around, but I just wish we could find out what GCI had to show hershey
I dont know. Steal Vengeance is pretty bad ass, but so was the Mean Streak. Depends on who you are and how your body can handle rides. Imma keep on riding till I die!
My thoughts are that they will most likely both make more coasters…. I know, profound.
So prolific
I don’t think it’s fair to say that GCI will destroy RMC over a new track option. RMC offer a lot of unique options to choose from and I doubt the demand for their rides will slow down anytime soon. In terms of restoring old woodies I can see it depending on what the park wants and what the park already has in it’s line-up
What unique products does RMC offer any more
Guessing that the Titian track will go to canadas wonderland and or Larhone
I’m guessing he was talking about DL, but I hope it’s for Canada’s Wonderland
Absolutely not until GCI builds a complete ground up titan coster with inversions of some sort they are not touching RMC.
How far into the video did you make it?
I didn't know that GCI was so devastated by losing Wildcat project. Seems like RMC is now a Go-To company for a complete makeover of a coaster than GCI. For me, GCI should take a different approach to get a full titan project. Titan track looks to be more suitable for retracking small parts than 208 considering Mine Blower's transition between steel and wood track seems uncomfortable. GCI should show that they can also re-profile the layout like RMC. That's the weakest point of GCI compared to RMC imo.
I think their competition would make a great innovation for coaster. Both companies have to focus mainly on building new coasters in the future because there won't be many coaster left to re-do. Really looking forward to their new designs.
I agree. Darien Lake is hoping to fully Titan track Predator within a few years and I’m desperately hoping that they add an inversion or something just to show off
To be fair if you want a coaster that doesn't know a seat us for sitting in and not flying rmc is the best but if you want a nice out and back layout gci is probably the best
Dude if kings island converted the beast to an rmc it would be insane
Honestly don’t think anyone would support that decision
The titan track is going to worlds of fun
The North American one he was taking about isnt WOFs coaster
Is it grizzly at kings dominion? I know that's getting some retracking. But I forget who's doing it??
@@jeffbizie yes it is at kings dominion
@@StationWait Zambezi zinger
GCI won't destroy RMC because RMC already made too big a name for themselves and GCI is kind of following, not leading in that market. But GCI will probably find their own niche where they do better than RMC
The Titan Track though is GCI's answer to I-box correct, so why would RMC come out with 208 when I-Box does what they need it to do? Is it the cost?
Because Titan Track was more versatile and cost effective so RMC had to make a whole second product to compete with it
The new image… I rather the old
Curious… what does the Titan track offer that the I-Box track does not?
The install process is much quicker and it allows parks to keep the same trains that they are already using. It also allows for straight retracking (Ibox does too but no one does that) instead of layout changes
@@StationWait Gotcha…so it seems to fill quite a different niche than RMC by improving upon the experience of the current ride rather than creating an entirely different experience.
Is the Titan track capable of the elements that RMC does (i.e. various inversions, wave turns, etc…) or is it only meant to produce the more traditional woody experience?
It can also do what I box can do. They can make ground up Titan tracks or even retrofit old coasters with new elements/ layouts like RMC would
@@tomw485 But RMC now also offers a product that is basically their version of the Titan Track refurbishment, so the competition is heating up. I guess we should have expected that, since RMC tried this with Topper Track first.
I'm gonna go on a limb and say both will have their place, rmc will continue to do complete revamps and gci will suceed in the partial repair and replacement gig
I’d agree if GCI didn’t want to get into the complete revamp game
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Just a note to the video editor - the content is great but the music bed is so loud it makes the video uncomfortable to watch. Thanks!
SORRY I COULDNT BE THERE FOR THE LIVE I WAS AT WORK!!
It’s ok!!!!!! I got the video out late because of work so I get it
@@StationWait oh yeah the video was amazing btw!! Mainly agreed with it! Sorry i don’t have much to say though i watched this video yesterday late at night after and party, therefore i remembered like nothing of it 😭
I can’t see your community tab either! It’s banned. Also comments on ALL videos are banned for me too!! It’s really annoying.
Hehehe im one day early!!! (Still watching the vid rn btww)
Yes you are! It won't quite be 24 hours early this tome because I got the upload out late and I'm sorry about that but you still got it the day before! Let me know what you think about the video
@@StationWait sorry im going to sleep rn its superrrr late and i have to wake up early tomorrow, I’ll definitely tell you by then!
Why are we rollercoaster freaks such a strange breed? Every video i watch has less than a thousand likes, and the channels at most 200k subscribers… ahhh are we just freaks?
Gravity groups new track is also a possibility for track replacements on old wood coasters. and I like theres the best because gravity groups track is actually wood. And I dont want wood coasters to go away because I love them. as they say the future of wood is wood.
I don't know. RMC has sustained success with their product that might prevent it from being the Beta to GCI's VHS.
They wont beat rmc cuz smooth dont make layout good and rmc make smooth and layout good
Skyline doing their profiling and layouts has proved pretty good. Mystic Timbers is elite
Why must we put two beautiful women against each other? 😭😭😭 (both are good for the coaster industry lol)
He said North American so I got a hint it might be at canadas wonderland
He was saying America first, so I’m going America
@@StationWait just speculating like a good enthusiast
You can’t beat RMC. Superior products and lightning fast turn around .
16:15 "Clearly this infamous ride ( T-Rex) is still in their catalog." It's funny how desire to hear something sways our thoughts. I heard him say that it's not likely to go anywhere unless a buyer were to come to them with a whole bunch of cash to basically fund the research and development. It's only a concept. The reality on the T-Rex is that it's just way to massive to be affordable. Founder Fred Grub envisioned it as a possible way to save money by using less supports by spanning longer distances, but I just don't think it works out in that anything they're saving in supports is being absorbed into that massive track, and then some.
That’s not what he said at all, so I suppose that it IS funny how desire to hear something sways our thoughts…
Nah GCI will never be what RMC is
Great commentary, A+ discussion
@@StationWait lmao
I honestly think GCI is in for an uphill battle with Titan Track. Simply because everyone knows what they're getting with an RMC. They literally haven't built a "Bad" roller coaster. They're also popular with enthusiasts and the GP. The new 208 seems to be an evolution of Topper Track. I think things would have been different if GCI had Titan Track developed and ready when RMC wasn't doing Topper Track refurbishments. But now that things have settled down I think it might be a bit late. Honestly why would Hershey take a risk with GCI if they know what they're getting with RMC? It's really a no-brainer.
Except….. good quality track manufacturers dont put other good quality track manufacturers out of business. You just did a whole video proving that.
If it’s about competing for “who gets to make it into a hybrid….” GCI seems to charge too much money and hasn’t ever done an entire layout. Seems to settle the debate right there.
Also, when asked about the T-Rex track, this guy essentially said “yeah we have it, but no one wants it so….”
Good manufacturers put people out of business all the time whether they be bad or good, but this video isn’t about putting them out of business it’s about becoming the dominant manufacturer in the space.
GCI is currently in talks to do a full hybrid retracking of wildcat at lake Compounce as well as the ground up in Europe that Clair mentioned in the video, so give them time.
It’s not that no one wants a T-Rex, they just want to explore the upper limits of the raptor first. Scott and I had discussed these questions the day before, and it didn’t come through as much on camera as it had then sadly
never RMC Is 100% better the GCI. GCI can't even make a WHOLE coaster with it's titan track. So I don't see GCI ever taking over RMC
SUcks about WIldcat... I think it would have been great for CGI to re-track their first coaster instead Hershey went with RUin My coaster corporation to completely gut it and IMHO destroy it.
I have tried TT on Boulder Dash it really helped the roughness of the drop, and right now with Lightning rod being switched to over 50% IBOX RCDB has reclassified it as a Hybrid.
So far I like Titan Track because it allows me to still ride coaster I enjoyed, RMC coasters do not accommodate has puffier people and untilt hey do I have no love for any coaster company that excludes people based on size. I am not asking them to accomodate 600lb people, but us 6'2" 300lb people can't enjoy an RMC... Boooooooooooooooooooooo
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I hope GCI prevails because RMC destroyed some of my best coasters!
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Do you seriously believe RMC ruined those coaster by converting them when in reality the other option was demolition and being replace with an entirely different ride?
Besides the track tech, a lot of it comes down to the design of the coaster that will determine how successful they will be. I've never been a big fan of the GCI cyclone style and havent been impressed with Skylines stuff, either. Much preferring old PTC designs to newer woodies. Whereas RMC has really changed coaster design forever with the elements and forces they have put on thier rides.
Titan track is able to do insane elements, it’s just a matter of someone giving GCI the chance like RMC got with Texas Giant. We’ll see if that happens
Darien lake being my home park might be bias but I think it could, but I think it will be used more for select rides that have a good layout and just needs to be smoothed out. If it has a bad layout I think RMC will still be the choice. Think both company’s will find there own niche because both make great products
Darien Lake is my home park too, and I do love the Titan Track but part of me wishes they did RMC it and expanded the layout over the lake
@@StationWait that would have been awesome! Tbh I wish they would have taken the money they used for tantrum and made RMC predictor. Would have been the eye catching coaster the park needs but eh at lest it’s not being torn down
Is this video a joke?
Yes. I spent over 20 minutes reading an intricately written script including interviews with RMC, Skyline, and the president of GCI for a joke video
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maybe eventually? but for the foreseeable future no
noooooo
gravity group > gci
The only gravity group I’ve ridden is below my top GCI, so that remains to be seen for me personally
No gci won’t