Why Connell Didn't Ask Marianne To The Debs | Normal People Episode 5
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- Опубликовано: 22 май 2020
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Marianne finally asks Connell if he ever thought of taking her and not Rachel.
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When she said “I didn’t tell anybody I swear to god” it broke my heart. She STILL is worried she did something to hurt him even though he was clearly in the wrong
Exactly. This is the most upsetting part of this scene.
@@redroots3103 I was like, can people stop taking advantage of her wonderful heart?
It doesn’t break my heart but it annoys me that she is so stupid. I don’t understand why I have this reaction.
"Were they horrible about it?" that part really broke my heart. Marianne cared for his wellbeing. Even though she was hurt by him she still cared for him.
I don't think the idea is that it's good that she put him before herself, but that they're having an honest conversation about the consequences of his insecurities
@@eugenia2682 she was so insecure even though she was smart and pretty, her family life was so harmful to her self esteem.
The way she said "yeah" when he asked if she would've said yes to the debs made my heart ache.
Mine too, it's a somber moment of what could have been, if Connell hadn't been too wrapped up in what his friends would think about them dating. 😔
Ohh me too. Everytime... The way her voice cracks. I had to watch this moment again and again. Her acting is amazing.
I think somehow her behavior made it impossible to ask her to the dance. I like her but her behavior towards her teachers it’s scary even though she’s having a hard time with life.
Same. So beautiful.
Her accent is amazing too.
“Eric grinned and his teeth glittered… ‘Do you think we don’t know you were riding her?’… Connell paused and took another drag on his cigarette. This was probably the most horrifying thing Eric could have said to him, not because it ended his life, but because it didn’t. He knew then that the secret for which he had sacrificed his happiness and the happiness of another person had been trivial all along, and worthless. He and Marianne could have walked down the school corridors hand in hand, and with what consequence? Nothing really. No one cared”
The exact passage from the book when Eric told Connell about everyone knowing.
Sally Rooney will never see heaven for writing this passage and this book, fr fr. broke me
Possibly one of the best portrayals on anxiety ever done on screen (by Paul Mescal)....
This show and afterlife both showed mental health so well. It's something that's talked about so much these days but rarely correctly portrayed
in the book too like the character just portrays it so well
he was terrible to her. this is a perfect example of how low self-esteem makes you vulnerable to accepting maltreatment.
Story of my life.
And also a perfect example of how low self-esteem can also make you maltreat others as Conall did
You accept the love you think you deserve,you gotta respect and love yourself before you enter a relationship
i’ve never thought about it this way, wow
The issue is Connell had no sense of self while at school. His whole self worth is tied into how others see him. He says at one point about trying on 100 different versions of himself. He lacks maturity. Because so much is left unsaid or what is said is open to interpretation or often misinterpretation a lot of unnecessary hurt is caused on both sides. The ambiguous nature of their relationship in school means neither want to openly state how they feel for fear the other doesn't feel as deeply. The whole debs episode was a real crappy move on Connell's part. Lorraine totally called him out on that. Proper order! Growing up is painful. He finally realises what he has lost at the debs. We see his total devastation. We can empathise because who hasn't made major and minor blunders as teenagers (and beyond)!
I really appreciate your comment.I wish we were friends.
I dont see him as immature, he was a deep and sensitive boy even in highschool. He simply felt uncomfortable about being in a serious relationship in public, not just uncomfortable but probably serious anxiety. The reasons probably had something to do with his absent father. He was mature enough to declare his love to her and treated her with tenderness in their private times together.
@@dailybls I think it’s possible to have depth but still lack the maturity to express it in a healthy way - Connell saw the way Marianne was treated, and he knew that if he asked her to the debs, he might have been roped-in with his friends’ mistreatment of her. I think that whilst his anxiety and the social pressure he felt had a huge role to play in his early treatment of Marianne, had he been a little mature, he would’ve been able to recognise that her feelings mattered more than his friends’ perception of him. He knew that his decision could hurt her, and he made it anyway (out of worry for himself) because he didn’t have the maturity and life-experience to be able to view the bigger picture.
@@mitziirish9539 I agree he was immature and insecure, and made a mistake. But he was never a bad person, he had a good mother to set him right and he regretted his decision before the debs was over.
@@dailybls oh yeah totally - I love his character and I love the way it was handled by his mum (and how he reflected on it later). He’s definitely not a bad person, and I agree that he had an unusually broad capacity for empathy for being 17/18. It’s interesting to debate it!
The best thing that happened this year was this series.
To be completely honest, that's not a particularly high bar. It's 2020.
❤️❤️❣️
@@Dtyn8 I live in a country that's going through not only the pandemic but a very difficult political and social crisis so I'm just saying it made my quarentine time better. At least for days, Connell and Marianne being or not being together was all I could think of and not worry about this crisis.
Along with The Queen's Gambit
AMEN!!!!!!
No one even cared, but he threw it away anyway. This is so ironic
that's why he cried so much when he left the school dance. He realized he effed up.
Aaah they beauty of realizing that caring about other peoples opinions on you is stupid.
public anxiety in a nutshell
I love how this series subverts expectations. Connell expects his pals to mock him if they find out that he's seeing Marianne, only to discover later on that they didn't care at all. Such poignant acting from Paul and Daisy! 🎭❣️
He comes to the realization that they didn't care, but does he ever come to the realization that he shouldn't have cared about what they thought?
To me Connell was less than Marianne. He may have been the best guy in her life, but that bar was exceedingly low. She deserved better.
Still Searching I agree for the portion that they were in high school. Later in the series, they were good for each other and I think that the point is that everyone has their issues so nobody is going to be perfect for their partner. He treated her like shit in the start but he changed so much and began to appreciate her
@@heythereimholly1090 exactly it's a step away from the common trope that relationship should be perfect and people should instantly be compatible , real humain relations are messy and hard and people need to work on them and on themselves to make them work , that's why this show is so realistic , it's not a love story where they both have perfect personnalistes and lives or they have shallow character flaws that they shake off in a minute , real people have scars and have been hurt , and they have tendencies that they find hard to get rid of .
Lovely remark
I think you missed the point where he said it would be awkward, and she says no one need know. He made his position clear, and gave her the choice.
You also seem to miss the fact his mother worked for her family, and his friend asked if his mother came running when Marianne rang a bell. In fairness, given the situation, I can understand why he might wish to keep that quiet, if he was seen as at her beck and call.
But I go back to my initial point - the guy stated his position and she was the one who made clear she understood and accepted.
Of course, in hindsight, it was shockingly bad treatment of her, and he realised as soon as mother spelled it out, as evidenced by his many texts to Marianne and asking his mum how she was.
Youth is full of such misjudgements, misunderstandings and just plain screwing up, isn't it?
" Marianne, I really am sorry." "I forgive you." "Thank you." Wonderful acting, so honest and heartfelt.
the way she says 'I forgive you' is so heart-breaking to me. both of them knew she would forgive him because that was the power that Connell had over her in the relationship that they both recognized in the book and series. She looks at him as she says it as if she's saying that of course she would forgive him, not for herself, but because she couldn't hurt him and she wouldn't know what to do without him.
Acting,at its finest. Great things ahead for these two.Even in looks ,although very attractive,they are not stereotypical but rather unique.
I swear they better both win Emmys, this is pure acting
The actress who plays Marianne looks so much like a friend of mine.
Yes
my favorite scene .....(after Connell leaving the heartbreaking voice message on her phone after the Debs f++k up and sobbing)...a super talented actor.
Also my favorite scene. He showed true heartbreak when he was sobbing.
i wonder if she ever listened to it
I know this is off topic but I hated her brother. The mom just sitting there while the brother assaulted his sister. Of course the mom was physically abused by her husband, therefore it was normal in her eyes.
Its interesting, how things can play out in families. I can relate to this exact behaviour from my brother and my parents. They care so much about both of you but freezes in the actual situation. Its probably like picking sides for her even though the one party is obviously in the wrong.
I can't stand Marianne's family. They were so wrong and unkind.
Sibling abuse is very real
You are supposed to hate the brother. It was a great moment when Connell set him straight.
the dialog that the brother was given was completely over the top though. it didnt seem realistic to me at all but whatever
If she’s what passes for “ugly” or “plain” in Ireland then the rest of us have ZERO hope. She’s a beautiful girl 🥺 wtf
Yea that's just artistic license she is an absolutely beautiful lady.
It's not so much about the way she looks but about the way she thinks, what she values and her social class. To acknowledge he liked her would be to acknowledge that he is a much more serious and intellectual person than what is 'acceptable' within his peer group, who are from a more 'working class' background. His connection to Marianne is physical but it is also highly intellectual, which is the embarrassing part for him. The reason she is cool at University is because she becomes surrounded by people from her own social class, it's also why Connell feels extremely isolated there. One of the major themes, if not the major theme of this story is social class and how it impacts our lives.
Bullying normally stems from jealously , the guys felt they probably coudlnt get her , she was from a well off family nice big house most families in Ireland are working class , she was clever and she didn't fit the 'norm' they felt threatened by her and people don't like that , girls would simply be jealous of her beauty , tbh I was surprised they had the redhead as a 'popular ' girl , redheads can get a hard time , I know a redhead in ireland how odd 🙄 look how beautiful red hair is ,.it's striking , people don't like when you have something that makes them feel below you not that they are but having more money being smarter having nicer hair ect is enough to cause bullying it only takes one person , kids that age have pack mentality, to afraid to speak up against that thought for fear of being outcast themselves and this creates the perfect breeding grounds for bullying , that's why we see connell not invite her to the Debs ,or even consider it ,
@@iradennison3764 very well put , actually wrote just that on another video , why coudlnt they be together ? I feel that was the cause in the end , it never had anything to do with how she looked but people feel threatened by someone who seems to be smarter richer and doesn't fit the 'norm' it's not just in Ireland but alot of the American shows have the 'nerd' who's picked on , and it's that old story of the popular girl loves the nerd but can't date him or her because it's 'social suicide ' I'm ashamed to say I've did it myself before , ignored liking someone who liked me in return , because he wasn't popular or had many friends children can be quite cruel I'll never know why I did that, I think fear of being outcast too , that's what being a teen was for me really always worrying about falling out of the loop, 'friends' who were anything but , and hiding myself under this character who fitted in more than my true self ever would ,
@@iradennison3764 while I agree with everything both of you said I think that they are not the pertinent reason he didn't want to be seen with her. He had an absentee father who would have left a huge mark on his persona. He, thought talent intellect and some luck probably made himself the popular kid in school even though he was poor and didn't have a father in a small town. He had probably invested so much in his persona and his social position he was not prepared to jeopardize it even for love. As for Marianne being bullied she gave back as much as she took and always hit back in a more clever and humorous way. I think most of the bullies were afraid of her actually like the guy who said terrible insults about her but as connell said if he had any chance with you he never would have spoken to you like that. I am not excusing his behaviour meerly trying to understand it.
This is a beautiful scene, acted out with subtle emotional nuances and sensitivity - almost a sacred confessional - by both characters without the often overblown Hollywood-esque acting.
Sacred confessional. Great description.
This scene and his therapy session always get me choked up.
One of my favourite scenes, I watched it 20 times maybe. Daisy's acting is not acting, it's next level. I can feel her pain as mine for loving another person and being betrayed like that.
This is a great scene; one of the key moments in the whole series, and superbly acted. I remember - the first time I saw it - wanting Connell to give a fuller account of himself, to explain himself more to Marianne as well as apologise. Something I’ve thought for a long time is that no one can explicitly teach you to have self-esteem in relationships; you have to learn to value yourself. So many people secretly seem to think they are worthless deep down. It’s very strange and very sad. At university, Marianne has learned to value herself more, so she would no longer let Connell treat her as he had at school. And tells him so. For his part, Connell shows us that it’s not a good idea to let your view of yourself and your values be determined by what others think of you. It’s easier said than done, but you have to stand on your own feet and hold your own ground.
YES WELL SAID
Brilliantly acted. Daisy breaks your heart here
this scene just breaks me
their performances... amazing
The other heartbreaking part in the video after saying yes, being afraid and swearing that she did not tell anyone about their relationship, as if that would have been wrong or the a cause of misery for him.
i feel like a lot of times when scenes of apologies are shown, there’s more of a power dynamic… someone ultimately just wants to hear that they were right and someone else was wrong or they want their pain to be validated and they want that validation to hurt the person who “wronged” them. with paul and daisy’s characters there’s no pretension. connell is genuinely sorry and marianne genuinely forgives him and they both wish things were different but accept that they’re not. there’s pain but they find a bit of peace in it.
the vulnerability he shows when he is with marianne - he was almost afriad to show that to anyone else, he wanted that part of his life completely away from public view, protected by this mask of the lad character he felt he had to keep up at college.
I doubt there will ever come a tv show that will be as real, as genuine , as true to human emotions and vulnerabilities of both genders, that it will be impossible to consider it a tv show in true sense. there is no taking away from the fact everyone associated with it did a commendable job but somethings just happen. We should feel fortunate and blessed that this happened in our times and everyone who worked for it should feel the same way too.........hope the actors wouldn't be corrupted by the newly earned attention, all my best wishes to them....
I recommend watching Before Sunrise and the whole trilogy! It's just as genuine and heartfelt as this show.
Rajan, I think you are right. It's hard to forget it.
This was the one mistake that cost him it all. Don't worry about what other people think, be happy with who makes you happy!
There are some excellent comments on this scene here but you nail it in a couple of sentences!!
Marianne's gentle smile and her "I forgive ya" in her Irish accent makes me melt everytime.
this is art! very emotional and it made me cry a big time!!!
I loved it this so much. We all have been there. Most of the time we make assumptions of what will happen, of what others think about us while the reality is more bearable than all those scenarios in our minds. Both of them are deep thinkers. On the one hand we have an insecure Marianne who just seeks of validation. She wants to be wanted and her mood depends completely on him. She isn't strong enough to communicate her feelings. She doesn't want to be a burden to him or to annoy him. In other words she doesn't want to be TOO MUCH. As women we learn to not express our feelings to the maximun cause of fear of sounding needy or vulnerable. On the other hand Connel is passive. He doesn't understand the debth of his feelings, but he feels it deeply. He makes efforts to express his feelings unlike Marianne that's why he backs up cause he feels it's a one sided love. Also he admires her a lot but in a way he feels inferior to her (maybe also because of their backgrounds too). Feels like he is dissociating often. He doesn't want to lose the familiar things around him and is afraid of being judged. He doesn't really fit in in his current life in high school. He is just surviving and getting by.
The acting was on point. I felt every single emotion.
Very well said 😭
WELL SAID!
This scene makes me tear up.
Connell knows exactly why he acted 'in such a fucked up way'. He knows he treated her that way because he was popular in school and she wasn't and he was ashamed of his friends knowing that they were an item. Overall, I think Connell is a good guy and I know he apologies to her here for how he treated her but he's still playing the innocent here a bit too much for my liking.
If taken in context "I don't know why" doesn't mean he is unaware of those reasons; it means he is explicitly aware of them, but he knows they are inadequate.
Same
I also think the forgiveness for the act was given too freely. And the assured way in which he said "thanks" to receiving the forgiveness, no pause, no surprise, like he knew that of COURSE he would be forgiven. I'm sure he learned from it, did the necessary reflection, but I think she still deserved more reconciliation for the act. He should have said, "is there anything I can ever do to make it up to you?", a statement with not only acknowledgement of harm and recognition of the necessity to amend it, but also the humility to recognize that he may simply not be forgiven. Because honestly... it would have been entirely understandable if she couldn't forgive him, if that act just lodged too deeply in her to ever be something he could have any part in healing. Sometimes, the harm we cause is permanent - or else that it might be out of our hands to heal. Sometimes, we have gone too far down a path to turn around.
The best part “It was humiliating.”
“The fact that I put up with it” is cut off 😭😐
One of the most heart-aching scene. Gosh my heart.
This show is SO GOOD !!
The moment she forgives him is magic.
Oh Marianne, you deserved so much better
I'm the only one that watches this scene over and over again just cause it's sweet hearing someone apologies with you? 😔
this is phase 2 of their relationship, only God knows how many more phases to come.
I'm going to watch this series again.
I've already seen it four times. And it's been only 6 days when I watched it for th first time
It so sad how much she loved him and how shitty she was made to feel about herself
This is hands down the best love story on film today. Idc if anyone disagrees.
The book - and this incredibly well-acted scene - does a remarkably fine job of showing empathy to where both characters are in their maturity and mental makeup at the time. Not excusing poor behavior, simply illuminating Connell’s insecurities and shortsightedness by allowing the reader to view his disgust at his former mindset and immaturity.
It’s poignant, partially because probably most of us (to some degree) were much too caught up in what others’ opinion of us might be and how we were perceived in high school. I cringe at some of the things I thought mattered then lol.
But this is acted amazingly well, by both characters, and brings to life the empathy shown by marianne and by the author to Connell for realizing and verbalizing his past immaturity.
Wonderful series 🥰
In the book, this conversation happened when they were both lying on the bed while staring at the ceiling blankly. Me reading their feelings while talking about the situation was a whole different kind of emotion.
Absolutely heartbreaking!
I wonder if I ever get my apologies... This scene feels so real
Great acting tbh 🙌
Best scene
Happy Birthday Daisy for the 24 May. At 23 year old, Daisy must be the prettiest, most talented and intelligent women I've ever seen! Just incredible!
Great scene.
I can't imagine being able to forgive someone who was so utterly embarrassed by the thought of being seen with me in public....crazy.
The girl's expression is so beautiful. Love to watch her.
This was a great scene but he still needed the talk from his mom and his school friends' disinterest to make him come to the realization. It rings true tho.
Love is forgiveness
The Best
It was so natural to stuff that happened at that age
I wonder if they filmed it in one take. Sometimes the rawness only comes across in the first take.
Paul's caracter is similar to mine ,i understand him so much
Didn't Connell get teased for people suspecting they had something? And as a result directly went and asked Rachel to the debs?
she looks so sad here nOOOOOOOOOO I WANNA HUG HERRRRRRR
OMG MY HEART!! 😭😭😭
I wouldn’t have forgiven him
you kept me like a secret but i kept you like an oath.
Call me SIMP but I'm in love with Marianne.
Who isn't?
Hello! Where can I watch Normal People in central Europe? BBC seems to be available only in the UK. Thank you!
Rte player
Illegal streaming site or u torrent..
FFmovies
You can try using a VPN (there are free ones) which makes it look like you're accessing the BBC from the UK. Alternatively if you wanna pay for full access to BBC content (tv & radio), they give you an option to pay an international licence fee.
Connell admitted he was acting like a dork and Marianne forgave him. It's a lovely scene. I am a graduate of the University of the Blatantly Obvious by the way.
This scene is so sad
I cried during this scene thinking about the fact that I will never get this sort of apology from the men who treat me this way when I was young and naive. I’m sure there are a lot of other women who feel the same way as me 💔♥️
I forgive you.
I forgive you….thank you xxxx
I'm both
Still raging
What is the Debs guys? Cause i've watched the whole show but I don't get the debs means
I think it's a sort of prom 🤔
Debutante Ball, Irish version of prom
Ohh i see. Thank you
Debs is short of Debutante, we have it at the end of secondary school for the graduating year (same as Prom) it's a bit of a right of passage, debs for short
😨
normal people is a reminder that in a couple there should be a yin and a yang someone who actually makes an effort to be loud and someone who balance them with listening
Great News. Normal People star Daisy Edgar-Jones ‘splits from boyfriend Tom Varey’:
" Not a good connection."
About time too! Well done Daisy. The best decision of your life apart, that is, from becoming a superb actress. You have more talent in your little finger than the drip has in whole of his pathetic frame. You're just too beautiful, too talented and maturity way beyond your years. He's not even in your class. You'll never regret dropping that drip! The world is now your oyster. So happy for you.
I still don't get why they broke up the second time.
thats the whole show for me. lots of things happening that dont really make any sense at all apart from for the sake of the story and maybe cos the writers couldnt be bothered to think up of a more realistic reason
It was a miscommunication. It was showed in a subtle way: when they broke up the second time Connell had nowhere to go in Dublin and he was afraid to ask Marianne if he could live with her, he probably thought he would be a burden to her and instead of asking her to stay he tried to “test” her by saying “I think you should see other people” probably to see her reaction, if she really wanted to stay with him or not and she says “yeah, I think so” and you can see that she has a bit of a defensive/annoyed tone. Connell takes that as a sign that she doesn’t really wants to stay with him exclusively so they broke up and that’s clearly want he didn’t wanted because it shows him trying to hold back tears before leaving her house, so he really understood that she didn’t liked him enough/the way he liked her. However, in later episode (I think) it shows Marianne remembering this incident and in her mind it echoes Connell saying “I think WE should see other people”. Which implies that she understood that he wanted to broke up with her without having the balls to say it directly. It was an AWFUL miscommunication, the fact that both of them just said “yeah” and accepted without even wanting to discuss the why’s of their decisions was the reason this happened.
Lorraine is great but the bar is soo low. Who cares if connnell invites marriane to a stupid dance. I simply wouldn’t let my son invite girls over to his room period. If he can’t have the maturity to be in a serious committed relationship then he is not mature enough to be intimate. I feel like some parents lack complete control over who their children date or how they treat others.
Sorry, as being just a layman,
..what's a Deb? thanx, already!
Short for Debutante Ball. It's a dance held here in Ireland after graduating from school and before starting college. Kind of like our version of prom?
@@GlennMoore2011 I thought it was a club or something😂
Like a prom
Irish prom
Geez, what's the big drama about it?
(I don't watch the series, but I've read she's smart and he's popular)
I honestly think what he did wasn’t as bad as people made it out to be.
The show is called normal people, he was a very normal young boy. He was shy and cared abt his popularity like most boys his age. When he started his relationship with Marianne it was on the basis that it was a secret relationship. He was open to Marianne abt his feelings and thoughts and told her that he asked Rachel to the debs as a friend. Yeah it’s kinda a shitty to do, but when you are that age, school life is like a completely different life and you are constantly worried abt what others would think of you or being an outcast when in reality nobody actually cares, but you don’t gain the sense of maturity until you leave school.
I know plenty of people who had boyfriends outside of school but when they were at school they didn’t even interact with each other.
Some friend groups just don’t mesh, like he never felt like he fit in with her friends. She didn’t like his friends. I think it’s better to just detach, and let him and his friends and her have hers. Without them trying to include the other in their circle. They shld hang out without the friends, and then get friends as a couple while they can both maintain their friendship with their own friend group.
At school he was with his friend group and she didn’t fit in, in uni he didn’t fit in with her friend group. The debs was a school dance, he was going with his friends and Marianne wouldn’t of fitted in.
ok but. they don’t end up together. i’m an emotional wreck now i just ended the serie i need answers
It's open ended in my opinion. He may go off to NY for the year, but the chances are they'd get back together once he returns. After everything they've been through in the series that's the conclusion I've drown from it
@@damilkk Yes you are probably right, I’ve read the book just after I finished the serie and it’s more clear that they are going to find their way back to each other (spoilers for the book) in the last sentence Marianne says « i’ll always be there » something like that so to me it means they’ll wait for each other probably
It's left open to interpretation. I feel like it's most likely that they ultimately do find their way back to each other.
@@damilkk and then they would break up again for some nonsense reason, and then get back together a year later, rinse and repeat until one of them dies of old age
Now the roles have been reversed
The most stress series i watched. Very weird😂
A beautiful video as befits a stunningly beautiful and charismatic woman. Daisy E-J, a women who doesn't need makeup to look her gorgeously exquisite best. She's so Incredibly appealing, attractive, intelligent and exceptionally talented . An amazing women.
You see Daisy, you should drop that utterly inept and amateurish drip Varey. The Daily Mail headline of 27 Jan 2021, says it all. It reads: Paul Mescal insists 'there wasn't a huge amount of acting going on' in his realistic sex scenes with Normal People co-star Daisy Edgar-Jones because he 'liked her very much' The ‘chemistry wasn’t just superb acting, it was real! He continues: You know when you have "it",' of having chemistry with his scene partner. 'I knew when I was with Daisy that it felt natural, that there wasn't a huge amount of "acting" going on. 'Gushing about his co-star, Paul added: 'When you have that chemistry it makes it so much fun! Daisy and I liked each other very much' So that's probably the root of it: having a similar sense of humour, thinking about the world in a relatively similar way and being able to communicate all that.'
This was shir
IMO he is not attractive in the least.
No one even cared.
I think im the only person who couldn't get into this program.. It just annoyed me 😅
ヘザー me too!! I thought it was ok but I knew what the plot would be straight away, I just didn’t get the hype!
I just couldn't understand why they didn't want to communicate with each other?!
Disclaimer, i only watched the first two episodes. For me, it just felt unrealistic. I didn't understand why Marianne was considered unpopular, seeing as she's obviously beautiful, clever and witty. I also didn't buy it that they were teenagers in their first relationship. What kind of teenagers have such open, loving, poetic conversations. Then how can they go from those conversations to him not defending her from bullies. I just didn't buy it.
Same!!
Worst couple ever IMO
Lol they weren't even a couple tbh
Connell annoyed me so bad
@JeremyEM1 Fair enough then, all of that just went over my head as I have no experience of Ireland. I still think teenagers act much more awkwardly than that, but if it's trying to represent Irish poets then there we go.
This unironically is why I could never really get into this series as a romance - the whole thing felt like a woman way out of this guys league just getting jerked around by him (which is still great viewing material as some kind of anti-romance). Very realistic depiction of the sorts of trash relationships women settle for when they're younger. It was really pretty, at least.
I think somehow her behavior made it impossible to ask her to the dance. I like her but her behavior towards her teachers it’s scary even though she’s having a hard time with life.
He’s such a disappointment
This may be an unpopular opinion, and I'm only on the fifth episode but I don't like Marianne much, especially for how she dumped Gareth after this scene. Can you imagine if Connell disposed of someone he was dating as coldly as Marianne disposed of Gareth? All the women watching would hate him. But ya know, she did it for Connell so that makes it all OK.
latinboy906 You do have a point.
You're not wrong.
ehhh Gareth was an arrogant edgelord who didn't elicit a whole deal of sympathy imo
it was pretty brutal but at the same time it was less consequential because Gareth as a cocky guy doing well at university he was could probably very easily recover from it. Connell rejecting Marianne for me at least hit deeper because they were the only people their for each other. Connell feeling isolated not knowing himself and Marianne being an outcast with a shitty family.
very different, gareth has lots going for him. those two didnt have anything but eachother
well, the way connell hurt marianne over and over didn't make a lot of woman hate him...this show is about the flaws of both of them, about being human...overall, people aren't lashing out because they can identify with both characters...that's the beauty of this show...it portrays humanity like very few shows can
Why do people watch this? It looks incredibly neurotic and depressing.
this was probably the slowest series i have ever watched, it could’ve been great but god there was so many unnecessary scenes
I wholeheartedly disagree. If they left out any of the scenes it would be impossible to understand why certain things happened later and this is precisely why Normal People feels so real and authentic. Life is not just a series of extremely dramatic events and neither should be tv
You didn't read the book, did you? :D
sooo boring