If my jank-tuition is correct, that was a UW Hive mind deck. Force your opponent to cast days undoings on their turn to give you a new hand and blank their turn, then kill by forcing your opponents yo cast Pacts they can't pay for.
My roommate plays a deck he calls 12 Pact. Its so spicy and soooo bad. I love it! Negation, titan, slaughter, and then angles grace. We did have white pact, but that thing issss bad. :D
Hot damn that UW deck was crazy. That is some true jank. Seth you should definitely try to make your own version of that deck. I never thought about it but days undoing and commandeer seems like a pretty good combo actually.
You could have run out your own Karn and then no one could do anything if they played lattice... I don’t know if that is a good line but it is definitely a funny line
We almost got there in game three. If our opponent had tutored up Lattice we both would have been locked (but the couldn't do it since we had more cards in our library so they would have milled out first).
At 53min you could have taken Liquimetal coating and destroy opp tron lands every turn and he would have scooped as he cant even cast his karn when hes stuck at 3 lands!!!
18:27 fun fact about copying: Cards become their base card as we saw, but Tokens don't because there is no original card to copy, so it copies the current form. If you'd minus'd on a servo, and copied that servo, you'd get a 5/5 servo as the copy. This is similar to how copies of Morphs are a copy of "Morph" not a copy of the card under the morph.
@@MTGGoldfish I actually very much doubt it since Narset deck (Pitch Blue) has some sort of consistency and a certain idea it's going for, while this was... a thing. What it reminds me of, though, is Shared Fate.
11:10 I'm assuming the line here is tick up karn to make inspiring statuary a 3/3, cast a second karn and tick up on pentad prism to make it a 2/2, cast tezzeret and tick down to make chalice a 5/5, and then an 8/8 karnstruct? 8+5+3+2=18. If so, then you could've tapped liquid metal coating to turn one of your non-artifact permanents into an artifact and it would've let you attack for exactly lethal.
I think the UW deck was a spin on the Narset Day's Undoing deck, but with Pact/Angel's Grace combo for... reasons? Pact is a free spell to draw with day's undoing I guess?
Try having a playset of promo Gitaxian Probes. It was hard enough to find anyone who even plays pauper in paper. I miss the old days of probe in storm in modern.
I think Delver will probably still be playable in Pauper, it just won't be heads and shoulders above the rest. Maybe Izzet or Dimir (which seemed to use Daze and Gush less than Mono-Blue.
Never mind I paused and studied the board. Baby karn turned off 2 lands, mox, and the jars to save the chalices. And he could up tick to destroy the chalices. Wow. That was unexpected.
I'm curious, with four Karn the Great Creators in the mainboard, why sideboard in one-of or two-of artifacts? Don't you stand a better chance of getting them with Karn than drawing them during the game?
That UW deck was neat. Pacts (including Titan) + Hive Mind is one of the win conditions in my K&T group hug EDH deck. I've won off mashing a Hamletback into the only W player via Rogue's Passage, then Intervention Pact to kill everyone else. But Hive Mind is great anyway since very little in the deck targets (and matters), and copying an Earthquake for each player is good fun. :)
Especially with affinity I don’t see why you shouldn’t be playing one of all the colourless planewalkers. The normal tron big one and new ugin one. More walkers on the field more good stuff.
Why Spyglass? Isn't Pithing Needle infinitely better in modern because it's half the cost? This is a standard player asking the question. If it's dumb, I'm sorry
The main reason is we can cast Spyglass with Chalice of the Void on the battlefield, when we normally can't resolve Pithing Needle. The information is just a bonus, if we didn't have Chalice of the Void I'd play Pithing Needle instead.
You talking about Tron being your nemesis reminds me. Did you see that Delver got hit with a huge nerf in Pauper? It's nowhere near the monster it used to be!
That was one of the crazier decks I've played against in Modern for a while. I'm not sure it's good, but it's super hard to play against since you never know what random counter or Angel's Grace the might have (or a surprise 4/4 for free).
His deck doesn't have any aggressive threats or burn, or way to beat a karn on board (the 7 mana version). So the 7 mana one comes down, immediately takes out a land, and then proceeds to take cards from his hand/board every turn alternating. If its the 7 mana karn, that also means they have tron, so more big plays are coming. Yes it's possible that they have nothing left and topdeck lands for the next 10 turns, but its not likely. If they have tron and the 4 mana karn, and they tutor mycosynth lattice, its a combo that effectively instantly wins the game, and he has no way to disrupt that.
@@SomeFreakingCactus for main deck probably 1 mox opal since its legendary or 5 mana tez, for sideboard get rid of spellskite or witchbane orb since they are similar
Cicjose There would never be +1/+1 counters on it. The card doesn’t say it gains counters, but rather “has +1/+1 for each artifact you control” which is different in that it constantly changes depending on how many artifacts you control. Tezzeret does not change that.
Funnily enough, the best plays you can make with saheeli copy, without coating or lattice which makes saheeli awesome, is probably copying explosive engineering with chalice or unused pentad prism. Or using up counters from those by copying into prism. At least she has a passive thats great!
Karn, the Great Creator looked really powerful in this deck. Shutting down Tron felt great, as did fetching Liquimetal Coating and starting to destroy lands. Would love to see an update of your mono-green Liquimetal Coating with Karn: ruclips.net/video/2HpgLjLnn4E/видео.html Though with Utopia Sprawl + Arbor Elf over the Llanowar Elves. Cause what's better than a Turn 3 Karn? Turn 2 Karn.
Seth is such a nice guy and has great content but holy shit I can't stand the sound of his voice especially his opening dialog. I really can't be the only one that feels this way right?
I love Seth, but sometimes his voice can be a bit grating. Any time he gets overly excited it can get somewhat bad for me. I also basically immediately skip the deck tech every week and only sometimes look back at it briefly if I can't figure out what the hell is going on with the deck. I'm pretty proud of myself for managing to get a comment of mine actually included in his video after the whole "bolt our swans, draw some cards" video where I almost lost my mind watching it.
Not everyone has friends who play, and game stores/other places that host MTG aren't super prevalent in many areas. The closest to me is an hour away. Plus, keeping a paper collection is prohibitively expensive for some, and the competition level is higher online, making it better for practice.
Problem is, scrubs and punks are online. Especially Arena. I disagree about the quality of opponent online vs. in the real world. Hard to be a jerk when your opponent is 3 feet away.
@@robspear03 MTGO has a much higher quality of opponent than arena. Playing eternal formats on mtgo is also super inexpensive compared to paper most of the time.
@@MrOfTheSea You literally just repeated what i said. Aside from cost of paper, get a job. Remember, those paper cards that are expensive tend to hold value.
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Keep calm and remember... Opponent scoops it up, Ugin's not enough!
The match between Seth (better known as SaffronOlive) and Bizzaro Seth (better known as CeruleanOlive) was a sight to behold.
If my jank-tuition is correct, that was a UW Hive mind deck. Force your opponent to cast days undoings on their turn to give you a new hand and blank their turn, then kill by forcing your opponents yo cast Pacts they can't pay for.
Vs tron be like "Whoever plays Karn first, *any* Karn, wins instantly"
Next week: Pact of the titan/angel's grace jank tribal. Make it happen!!
My roommate plays a deck he calls 12 Pact. Its so spicy and soooo bad. I love it! Negation, titan, slaughter, and then angles grace. We did have white pact, but that thing issss bad. :D
He did a deck with pact of the titan and bushwackers some time ago on Budget Magic. Its called "Turn Two Tokens"
Glorious Boros with pacts?
Gideon of The Trials is probably a good thing to include for that deck as well.
Must include Hivemind.
I feel like the pact opponent logic was to tempo with counter spell and "free" titan to make the damage happen. What beautiful jank
Hot damn that UW deck was crazy. That is some true jank. Seth you should definitely try to make your own version of that deck. I never thought about it but days undoing and commandeer seems like a pretty good combo actually.
Fun in the "Pitch Blue" deck going around
Silence and render silent with bouncing and hand size punishers... mumble, mumble...
Modern week (for Seth's contents) on MTGGoldfish = a good week.
Expect a lot of Modern in the next month or so with Modern Horizons releasing :)
The combo with new karn and liqui-metal coating killing all of their lands is pretty sick.
Yeah, we should probably build a deck around it. It's pretty funny (although sadly Karn is getting to expensive to make it work on a budget).
Would new karn work in the mono G control deck?
@@drakeconsumerofsoulsandche5761 There's a green devotion deck using the Karn combos going around the competitive leagues.
We need a poll with the jankiest of jank that Seth has played against on Against the Odds.
Gameplay starts at 7:00
lol a $1400 modern deck losing to that Angel's Grace jank
Greatest reaction to a Spell Pierce ever.
I'm so happy you encountered that UW deck. That was some quality entertainment.
I had no idea what was happening in that one.
Was the Days Undoing for... value? That was a spicy meatball.
"Trust the magic gods, trust the magic gods!"Famous last words...
This deck is so, so sweet! I was engaged the entire time. Keep up the against the odds! My favorite series right beside Commander Clash 😁😁
Thanks!
49:57 The irony of defeating Tron with turn 3 Karn of our own is the most delucious. ^^
Long time lurker. This is by far your most funny. I've been laughing for an hour!
You could have run out your own Karn and then no one could do anything if they played lattice... I don’t know if that is a good line but it is definitely a funny line
He never had enough mana to run out his Karn. That would be a hilarious game state to see though.
David Drummins 23:50 he has three mana plus pentad prism mana he could have cast it
@@sevenguy7777777 he couldn't tap his lands if lattice was down and the prism can't make mana as Karn stops abilities of artifacts.
We almost got there in game three. If our opponent had tutored up Lattice we both would have been locked (but the couldn't do it since we had more cards in our library so they would have milled out first).
Jacob Windsor right forgot prism wasn’t online
SPAYLE PIERCE!?!? LOL love you Seth.
Is this a tezzeret tribal deck
that UW deck was so hilarious what was that dude even doing
Well, at least we know what he was Undoing, right? Hahahah
the funniest part is that he might've won if he just focused on attacking seth instead of saheeli
At 53min you could have taken Liquimetal coating and destroy opp tron lands every turn and he would have scooped as he cant even cast his karn when hes stuck at 3 lands!!!
Pact of the Titan Angel's Grace deck was super cool and crazy.
18:27 fun fact about copying: Cards become their base card as we saw, but Tokens don't because there is no original card to copy, so it copies the current form. If you'd minus'd on a servo, and copied that servo, you'd get a 5/5 servo as the copy. This is similar to how copies of Morphs are a copy of "Morph" not a copy of the card under the morph.
Actually, copy effects are in the first layer, so they apply before any other continuous effects.
Didn't we mess this up by turning a Servo into a (non-5/5) Pentad Prism?
@@MTGGoldfish Nope. Glad we have a Vesuvian Doppelganger expert in the crowd. 18:30
@@MTGGoldfish You turned the Mox into the Pentad. If you'd animated the servo instead of the Pentad the mox would have become a 5/5 servo
hey thats awesome!i love Merchant, seeing a modern variant of his deck is awesome to see
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A while ago Merchant made a standard Tezzeret master of the bridge deck in standard. With saheeli, karn 1 and karn 2 and the mono blue tez.
The WU deck might have been Narset + Day's Undoing.
Ah, that would make sense, and we just never saw the Narset.
@@MTGGoldfish I actually very much doubt it since Narset deck (Pitch Blue) has some sort of consistency and a certain idea it's going for, while this was... a thing. What it reminds me of, though, is Shared Fate.
11:10 I'm assuming the line here is tick up karn to make inspiring statuary a 3/3, cast a second karn and tick up on pentad prism to make it a 2/2, cast tezzeret and tick down to make chalice a 5/5, and then an 8/8 karnstruct? 8+5+3+2=18. If so, then you could've tapped liquid metal coating to turn one of your non-artifact permanents into an artifact and it would've let you attack for exactly lethal.
Hmm, this does sound like a good line.
Yay! More modern videos!
What card art is in the background when seth is talking about all the walkers in the deck?
I can't wait to watch this deck with Urza in it
Urza seems great in this deck!
Why do you play needle over
spyglass? Do you think you should add another twest or two? Im sure you have a good reason not to, just curious. Thank You
Thanks Seth, I'm trying to get my 300 question math homework done
11:17 i loved when he said untap on the opponents turn and the poor opponent didn't even have a permenant to untap😂😂
I think the UW deck was a spin on the Narset Day's Undoing deck, but with Pact/Angel's Grace combo for... reasons? Pact is a free spell to draw with day's undoing I guess?
Why no big Karn? I like the Tezzert and Karn Tribal. :)
Fetch with the ghost quarter by targeting the darksteel citadel?
Hey, Seth! What can I do with my delvers now that blue is dead in pauper?
I mean I doubt it's dead. You can still just run delver and all the cantrips to set it up
Try having a playset of promo Gitaxian Probes. It was hard enough to find anyone who even plays pauper in paper. I miss the old days of probe in storm in modern.
I think Delver will probably still be playable in Pauper, it just won't be heads and shoulders above the rest. Maybe Izzet or Dimir (which seemed to use Daze and Gush less than Mono-Blue.
play modern
Lethal against Mill one turn earlier by coating targeting one of your own lands/nonartifact permanents?
I don’t understand why seth decided to scoop on the last match against tron because he put baby karn on the field. Help?
Never mind I paused and studied the board. Baby karn turned off 2 lands, mox, and the jars to save the chalices. And he could up tick to destroy the chalices. Wow. That was unexpected.
22:56 I would’ve ghost quartered on their draw step so that they would draw a second power plant.
Why do you play pentad prism instead of dimir signet?
Walrus Association prism can give u 2 mana in 1 turn
I'm curious, with four Karn the Great Creators in the mainboard, why sideboard in one-of or two-of artifacts? Don't you stand a better chance of getting them with Karn than drawing them during the game?
You can’t tutor them all
Why tormod's crypt over relic of pro?
That UW deck was neat. Pacts (including Titan) + Hive Mind is one of the win conditions in my K&T group hug EDH deck. I've won off mashing a Hamletback into the only W player via Rogue's Passage, then Intervention Pact to kill everyone else. But Hive Mind is great anyway since very little in the deck targets (and matters), and copying an Earthquake for each player is good fun. :)
Especially with affinity I don’t see why you shouldn’t be playing one of all the colourless planewalkers. The normal tron big one and new ugin one. More walkers on the field more good stuff.
Why Spyglass? Isn't Pithing Needle infinitely better in modern because it's half the cost?
This is a standard player asking the question. If it's dumb, I'm sorry
@@karlsmink that's something I didn't think of. Thank you.
Is the hand information super critical or is that just a little bonus?
The main reason is we can cast Spyglass with Chalice of the Void on the battlefield, when we normally can't resolve Pithing Needle. The information is just a bonus, if we didn't have Chalice of the Void I'd play Pithing Needle instead.
You talking about Tron being your nemesis reminds me. Did you see that Delver got hit with a huge nerf in Pauper? It's nowhere near the monster it used to be!
Yes! I'm actually excited to play Pauper again!
I don't think Saheeli did enough. Definitely think Thoughtcast or Reverse Engineer would be better.
Pact of the Titan + Angel's Grace = Profit. Crazy games, thanks a bunch :)
That was one of the crazier decks I've played against in Modern for a while. I'm not sure it's good, but it's super hard to play against since you never know what random counter or Angel's Grace the might have (or a surprise 4/4 for free).
@@MTGGoldfish Indeed. It's not an everyday occurence. You kind of got to smash into opposition and hope for the best :D
Why do you keep insta-scooping against Tron decks playing Karn? I don't get it. What is keeping you from progressing?
His deck doesn't have any aggressive threats or burn, or way to beat a karn on board (the 7 mana version). So the 7 mana one comes down, immediately takes out a land, and then proceeds to take cards from his hand/board every turn alternating. If its the 7 mana karn, that also means they have tron, so more big plays are coming. Yes it's possible that they have nothing left and topdeck lands for the next 10 turns, but its not likely. If they have tron and the 4 mana karn, and they tutor mycosynth lattice, its a combo that effectively instantly wins the game, and he has no way to disrupt that.
Does anyone else make sound effects for the cards as they are played and/or activated?
Man that was some real jank. I loved the jank wars
i think seth saying "that's some next level jank" is among the biggest compliments he can make
This is true. Gotta tip the hat to someone who out-janks me :)
Man your Tron opponents are always so bad. G3 the person kept a 7 card hand with no Tron land. Holy my
Against Tron if you know they are gonna grab Latus and you have your Karn in hand. Shouldn't you play your Karn so they don't play Latus?
I was thinking the same thing. Why did he scoop? when he plays his small Karn it will lock his opponent out of the game too.
Why no Big Karn?
Max Sternburg it’s not needed
What would you suggest he cut?
@@SomeFreakingCactus for main deck probably 1 mox opal since its legendary or 5 mana tez, for sideboard get rid of spellskite or witchbane orb since they are similar
It's really expensive and Tezzeret is usually enough for us to win the game.
if you make a karn token into a 5/5 it becomes a 5/5 and has +1+1 counters right?
Cicjose There would never be +1/+1 counters on it. The card doesn’t say it gains counters, but rather “has +1/+1 for each artifact you control” which is different in that it constantly changes depending on how many artifacts you control. Tezzeret does not change that.
Seth you drive me insane with your scoops
Funnily enough, the best plays you can make with saheeli copy, without coating or lattice which makes saheeli awesome, is probably copying explosive engineering with chalice or unused pentad prism. Or using up counters from those by copying into prism.
At least she has a passive thats great!
Yeah, she's mostly in the deck to make tokens, copying a Karnstruct once and a while is just a bonus.
The UW player looked to be playing the Nivmagus Elemental deck. I think.
In game 2 against tron you could have jammed karn against them and made it so they would have lattice locked themselves.
Safron Olive, you are so cute! I don't watch mtggoldfish a whole lot but I'm glad I hit this one. Thank you for showing your face!
Well, you're outta luck my friend... Seth isn't gay. Sorry.
30:02 ?? What
"Don't trust the Magic gods."
BLASPHEMY!
Live by the Jank, die by the Jank.
my jank beats pro decks and top 8 kids that throw a tantrum for losing with their net deck LUL
Make sloth force one deck. 5 mana turn 2 in standard
I was thinking of playing magic again... but this new karn seems so busted.
Karn, the Great Creator looked really powerful in this deck. Shutting down Tron felt great, as did fetching Liquimetal Coating and starting to destroy lands.
Would love to see an update of your mono-green Liquimetal Coating with Karn:
ruclips.net/video/2HpgLjLnn4E/видео.html
Though with Utopia Sprawl + Arbor Elf over the Llanowar Elves. Cause what's better than a Turn 3 Karn? Turn 2 Karn.
Urza will make this deck even better :)
Urza would be perfect for this deck!
LBT: Little Baby Tezz
BPT: Big Papa Tezz
Did I miss one?
Need something for Tezzeret the Seeker, maybe Mama Tezzeret, like the three bears.
Oh yeah, BMP (Big Mamma Pelakka) from past streams
Hope this works I got 3 of these beauties with my box
Taking a trip to brown town
Seth: "Trust the Magic gods!! *Draw land, draw land. Also Seth: "Don't trust the Magic gods. Don't trust them. Never. Never trust!" 😆
So this deck + Urza when Modern Horizons comes out?
You said Ad Nauseum and the UW deck didn't even have black mana, Seth. I guess that just shows how confused you (us too) were in that matchup. XD
The only time I ever see Angel's Grace is with Ad Nauseam, I had no idea what was happening that match.
Mmmm baby. BU browntown?! That's a guarantee at least 1 player is having fun games.
KARNstruct!!!
UW stuff xDdddd
Trying to make the most expensive deck ever eh...
seth for the love of god can you please stop just clicking your mouse
that's the most wack ass blue white control deck I've ever seen
666th like on this vid
Match one shouldn’t count. It’d be nice if the opponent actually played magic.
If it doesn't beat Tron then it's not a viable modern deck.
Seth is such a nice guy and has great content but holy shit I can't stand the sound of his voice especially his opening dialog. I really can't be the only one that feels this way right?
I love Seth, but sometimes his voice can be a bit grating. Any time he gets overly excited it can get somewhat bad for me. I also basically immediately skip the deck tech every week and only sometimes look back at it briefly if I can't figure out what the hell is going on with the deck. I'm pretty proud of myself for managing to get a comment of mine actually included in his video after the whole "bolt our swans, draw some cards" video where I almost lost my mind watching it.
What a bunch of assholes griping over free content and complaining over something a person can't control
Why do you talk like that?
Nobody talks like that.
Why is so much magic played online why do not people want to at least go and have interactions with people in the real world?
Not everyone has friends who play, and game stores/other places that host MTG aren't super prevalent in many areas. The closest to me is an hour away. Plus, keeping a paper collection is prohibitively expensive for some, and the competition level is higher online, making it better for practice.
Convenience. I can promise you it's a whole lot easier to scratch that itch to play magic at 3 am on a Tuesday online than in person
Problem is, scrubs and punks are online. Especially Arena. I disagree about the quality of opponent online vs. in the real world.
Hard to be a jerk when your opponent is 3 feet away.
@@robspear03 MTGO has a much higher quality of opponent than arena. Playing eternal formats on mtgo is also super inexpensive compared to paper most of the time.
@@MrOfTheSea You literally just repeated what i said.
Aside from cost of paper, get a job. Remember, those paper cards that are expensive tend to hold value.