Bad explore? It could also give you another combat step if you had creature with vigilance and what about howling mine? Confirmed slightly better explore in really weird circumstances
If you weren't using the best Nissa (Worldwaker) I woulda been mad but you did and am glad you played a good 5 mana planeswalker that isn't named teferi even though she really costs 1 mana. P.S love the savor the moment it looks like it was made for these kinda shenanigans.
@@MTGGoldfish Hey! Thanks for the reply. Long time subscriber, even longer time fan of your channel. I have an against the odds card suggestion if that's ok. Panoptic Mirror. I've played 2 versions (casually), deliberately avoiding the infinite turn dumbness. One was UB and basically tried to get a mirror with Nightmare Incursion under it to systematically dismantle my opponent's deck. And sure why not a second one with Mutilate under it to wipe their board every turn while we're at it. Then kill them with Khorlash or let them mill out. Either works. The second, jankier and even more entertaining version was Panoptic Mirror imprinting different Ultimatums. Because a free Cruel/Violent Ultimatum every upkeep before taking your actual turn is HILARIOUSLY imbalancing.... IF you can pull it off :P Thoughts?
If this wasn't tribal. Garruk Wildspeaker would be a solid option in here. Could you put a non tribal non budget version of this deck? I would love to make this deck in the paper world.
At 18:52, opponnent shouldn't have been able to search their library for a land with assassin's trophy, right? There was no target upon resolution and Assassin's Trop states "If the target permanent is an illegal target by the time Assassin’s Trophy tries to resolve, the spell doesn’t resolve. No player searches their library."
43:20 if you cast Assassin’s Trophy on the targeted sprawl it would have fizzled the pulse and you would get a land out of the deal and be able to cast Temporal Mastery on the next turn. It may seem like RNG was brutal there but you would have easily won if you hadn’t misplayed there. Just something to think about.
Perhaps the best Planeswalker Tribal deck that could make use of The Chain Veil? Worldwaker could get it into play or activate it same turn and all the bigger Nissas could be smashing in with extra man-lands.
ok so lets make a small twist on this deck. Mirror Gallery + Artificial Evolution type affect and change the word "Legendary" to "Planeswalker" that way you can just play all the Nissa's and not lose them. thou Clockspinning would be awesome in this deck. lol, Gilder Bairn also
52:20 why not at _least_ make tron opponent tick down? like, if they get greedy and try to tick up, you have an out to black land + them not having another finisher
Seth, please do Tezzeret Tribal next. Quite a bit of them now, all of them playable. Plus other good magic cards with Tezzeret in the name or art. Please!
MTGGoldfish Yeah very true, I just wished it could have come a bit sooner. But I guess taking time to build a better deck is better. Thanks for your response Seth. Love your content, and definitely loving all the legacy lately! Also run Ensoul Artifact and Tezzeret's Touch if possible!
Cut some blue sources to help with mana awkwardness? I feel like with the Utopia Sprawls, carrying 3 Breeding Pools, 1 Watery Grave and 2 islands is probably overkill
@@drakeconsumerofsoulsandche5761 why? it says "You may spend mana as though it were mana of any color to cast planeswalker spells." Not you may spend colored mana as though...
OG Nissa is tough. It does pretty much nothing in the deck since we only have four Elves in Arbor Elf and she would probably make us run NIssa's Chosen which is really underpowered for Modern. Maybe I should have tried harder to make her work though.
I have a good deck idea. You play the oath of Gideon and teferi, then a reckless fireweaver. then play a saheeli rai and use argent mutation on it. After that you can copy it infinatley and continue doubling the number of saheeli’s you have, dealing infinite damage with the reckless fireweaver
Unfortunately the argent mutation only makes the original one an artifact, the copies only copy what is printed on the original not any added effects or types. So the reckless fireweaver doesn't work as you intend. Second, because of the legend rule you don't get to double your number of Saheelis (without a Mirror gallery) Mycosynth lattice in place on the Mutation in your example does work though. And since you mentioned oath of teferi, you don't even need the Fireweaver. You can just +1 deal a damage -2 copy Saheeli keep the new one repeat. Splashing white for the oath means that Felidar guardian fits nicely in the deck as a known combo. Having both Oath of Teferi and Gideon lets pirate Jace go infinite, and since his tokens aren't legendary you can have "half infinite" of them make illusions and the other "half infinite" stay in play to recover from a board wipe etc. With that said, you could probably build a base UW control deck to slow down the game until OoTeferi and splash red only for Saheeli, but since she needs Mycosynth (7mana) or Felidar to win she isn't necessary. I'd say just do UW Jace tribal to fuel card draw, and have the Oaths as a surprise finisher
Yeah, the problem for the Zendikar lands is we can have almost all Forest in play with just shocks and fetches, so I'm not sure how needed they are. Maybe as a one-of.
Seth :( at 43:45 you could have blown up your own Utopia sprawl and would have not lost any Mana since you replace it with a land and keep the second sprawl. Just saying
We're doing one on stream tonight to get ready for prerelease this weekend. Twitch.tv/mtggoldfish at 6pm EST (also goes on the MTGGoldfish Replay! RUclips after).
The deck needs more Birds of Paradise. I am not entirely sure what should go out (maybe even a land), but seriously it needed close to 3 more Birds of Paradise. Also I feel like Time Warp is just better than Savor the Moment. Maybe do a split with both perhaps but leaning towards more Time Warp. But you do get bonus points for spicy jankyness, so well done on the bonus points.
ErroneousClique the thing that makes it different from other torn killers is that it's good against lots of things that aren't tron. In the past "tron killers" were only sideboard cards specifically for tron, but assasins trophy is seeing main deck play fit its versatility
Seth trims temporal mastery in tron matchup, so he only has two in his deck. Then, for the next TWO games starts with both temporal mastery's in his opening hand....WTAF are the odds on that guys?? also, seth, I think this is probably a sign you can't play temporal mastery decks with nissa XD
:O I just realized how good Savor the Moment is with that new green enchantment that untaps your lands at the end of each turn.
Is there a world where Panoptic Mirror + Savor the Moment + Wilderness Reclamation can be a modern deck?
Maybe Seth can find out :D
0_0 holllyyy shit
Modern already had prophet of kruphix though
True, but I’m guessing that being 1 blue mana less as well as an Enchantment will make it a bit easy to use than Prophet.
@@lordnahkiin7364 yes as savour the moment is a green card and doesn't need double blue
Let's watch a 5 minute vid before going to bed....oh! Planeswalker tribal? Let future me deal with lack of sleep.
I hate past me sometimes
SAME
😂
"Dismember a Forest"
Only on Against the Odds
*Sees title*
I think Seth has finally lost it
No, that happened years ago.
Oh cool missed that
He lost it around the time he made budget monoB aggro
If Nissa owned and operated a rental car company, her slogan would be "That's the Nissa advantage." 25:42
i’ve always tried to assemble this deck, since nissa is my fav pw, and my last version is surprisingly similar to this one
ty seth very cool
Savor the moment can still act as a bad explore if you are looking for land. sometimes you have to do it. especially during 20:00
Bad explore? It could also give you another combat step if you had creature with vigilance and what about howling mine? Confirmed slightly better explore in really weird circumstances
@@ashra8281 its generally worse cause not always gonna have a land and it cost 1 more mana, it can definitely be better if built around
@@WGG-01 oh no don't get me wrong I think it's worse...
But the reasoning isn't because it has blue mana in it
@@ashra8281 In this given deck it is a bad explore at worst. At best it is an oath of teferi
I feel like the worst case of Savor the moment is a slightly more expensive Growth Spiral
Wow! That game one was clutch!
Scry in to... assassin's trophy and surgical extraction... *snort* *giggle*
Tron... Omae wa mou shindeiru.
If you weren't using the best Nissa (Worldwaker) I woulda been mad but you did and am glad you played a good 5 mana planeswalker that isn't named teferi even though she really costs 1 mana. P.S love the savor the moment it looks like it was made for these kinda shenanigans.
I wonder if your opponents were screenshotting when you were going off!! Hilariously fun!
Really cool deck! I had a blast watching it play out, that tron match was an absolute beating
Thank you very much.I been waiting for almost a year.
Dam Seth you were amazing at have at LEAST one temporal mastery in your opening hand
It my hidden talent.
Been waiting for this one for a good minute.
Wow! I really hope one day to get my channel to be as fun as yours lol. I am so excited to play the new sets!
I'm super excited for the new set too!
Game 1 Begins @ 7:13
And it was that moment when the tron player thoutgh to himshelve: "What I am doing with my life?", and conceded.
"THIS IS NISSAS DOING THEIR THING TO THE MAX" is a quote I never expected to hear in my life
omg Savour the Moment is so spicey in this deck
If ever there was a modern deck that wanted Brainstorm.. would have been so good so many times. Great concept. Great games.
Brainstorm would be sweet!
@@MTGGoldfish Hey! Thanks for the reply. Long time subscriber, even longer time fan of your channel. I have an against the odds card suggestion if that's ok.
Panoptic Mirror.
I've played 2 versions (casually), deliberately avoiding the infinite turn dumbness. One was UB and basically tried to get a mirror with Nightmare Incursion under it to systematically dismantle my opponent's deck.
And sure why not a second one with Mutilate under it to wipe their board every turn while we're at it. Then kill them with Khorlash or let them mill out. Either works.
The second, jankier and even more entertaining version was Panoptic Mirror imprinting different Ultimatums. Because a free Cruel/Violent Ultimatum every upkeep before taking your actual turn is HILARIOUSLY imbalancing.... IF you can pull it off :P
Thoughts?
"Nissa Tron, pretty much as good as real Tron"
Thank you Seth. Great content!
How long does it take for Seth to say a word until it doesn't sound like a word anymore? For me, it was about 8:37.
*Keeps zero lander*
*Immediately rewarded*
Never didn't have it
No vivien? J/K.
She's not a nissa!
@@MTGGoldfish If you hold the card really far away from your face and squint a little...
18:53 that sound
Did you consider white instead of black as a splash? White is the best sideboard colour, at least imo
Yeah. I think it's a tough call. I think the black splash is best for the main deck, the white splash would be best for the sideboard.
If this wasn't tribal. Garruk Wildspeaker would be a solid option in here. Could you put a non tribal non budget version of this deck? I would love to make this deck in the paper world.
Seth, allegiance is not out on arena. Very sad
Yep 7 hours to go
Sorry! I guess it's not out for everyone until today. Yesterday was the big preview stream thing.
Yes, I love planeswalker tribal!
Like 3 days ago I was looking for this and built a bad version of this to test. Thank you for making it😁
14:00 Could someone screenshot that and send it to Jen on Twitter?
At 18:52, opponnent shouldn't have been able to search their library for a land with assassin's trophy, right? There was no target upon resolution and Assassin's Trop states "If the target permanent is an illegal target by the time Assassin’s Trophy tries to resolve, the spell doesn’t resolve. No player searches their library."
I think that was a bit of aggressive editing. The opponent tapped for mana, untapped and tapped for mana again and then let it die.
Is there any chance there's an actual competitive version of this deck?
It certainly felt pretty powerful.
Sweeeetttt love Nissa, super brew!
43:20 if you cast Assassin’s Trophy on the targeted sprawl it would have fizzled the pulse and you would get a land out of the deal and be able to cast Temporal Mastery on the next turn. It may seem like RNG was brutal there but you would have easily won if you hadn’t misplayed there. Just something to think about.
Assassin's Trophy is weird, you can only target your opponent's things.
Oh, I did not know that. I stand corrected.
Perhaps the best Planeswalker Tribal deck that could make use of The Chain Veil? Worldwaker could get it into play or activate it same turn and all the bigger Nissas could be smashing in with extra man-lands.
@ 19:10 what a top deck
43:36 I think you should have Assassin’s Trophied the card they targeted with Pulse...
Oh never mind, I didn’t realize it says “an opponent controls”.
Oh yes, this is what I've been wanting to see
ok so lets make a small twist on this deck. Mirror Gallery + Artificial Evolution type affect and change the word "Legendary" to "Planeswalker" that way you can just play all the Nissa's and not lose them. thou Clockspinning would be awesome in this deck. lol, Gilder Bairn also
Supertypes are not creature types. But Mirror Gallery is all you need since they made planeswalkers legendary and removed the old uniqueness rule.
Would you say that Nissa, Voice of Zendikar's +1 is a hedge against aggro?
Omg... that g2 against UW, keeping the No lander, made me scream right out loud😱
52:20 why not at _least_ make tron opponent tick down? like, if they get greedy and try to tick up, you have an out to black land + them not having another finisher
Seth, please do Tezzeret Tribal next. Quite a bit of them now, all of them playable. Plus other good magic cards with Tezzeret in the name or art. Please!
We only have a handful of planeswalker left at this point and Tezzeret is one of them.
MTGGoldfish Yeah very true, I just wished it could have come a bit sooner. But I guess taking time to build a better deck is better. Thanks for your response Seth. Love your content, and definitely loving all the legacy lately! Also run Ensoul Artifact and Tezzeret's Touch if possible!
Cut some blue sources to help with mana awkwardness? I feel like with the Utopia Sprawls, carrying 3 Breeding Pools, 1 Watery Grave and 2 islands is probably overkill
40:20
Punt? Why not cast big Nissa, untap the Sprawl forest, then play little Nissa?
That last game, i wanted you to play the fifth nissa for the memes.
Been waiting for this!
Game 2 against UW Control; That draw was disgusting
Why no collective brutality against Druid combo?
Isn't Vizier Druid combo just called Counters Company? That's at least how I've always heard it.
Cc is more midrange, that can win without the combo. This was more all in
Why the savor the moment were "barred" while Seth was sideboarding to take out the nexus of fate? (Incoming ban?)
I think it's because I didn't have any more copies in my collection.
I know it's kind of a cheap move, but no doubling season in a green walker's deck?
The nissa ults just aren’t that game winning (besides maybe steward)
Font selection on the thumbnail is important Seth
Please do a Ashiok themed modern deck
Ok Seth, you're genius.
Seth I was wondering if you help people with decks
I try! I get a lot of deck sent in so I usually can't do a full breakdown or anything, but I try to give as much feedback as possible.
Thought: Simic Nissa Tron, with Growth Spiral to ramp/sneak out Tron lands, and ramp into a T3/4 X=7 Nissa.
Acutally...would Oath of Nissa let you spend Tron (colorless) mana to cast a Nissa? Cuz that's pretty baller.
@@meatrace you still need coloured mana
@@drakeconsumerofsoulsandche5761 why? it says "You may spend mana as though it were mana of any color to cast planeswalker spells." Not you may spend colored mana as though...
It does work for casting Nissa, but you do need green mana to get Oath on the battlefield.
@@MTGGoldfish Yeah, T1 green mana definitely. Not unlike G Tron.
Why are there some issues?
Nissa Alignment achieved
Why is the burn player playing Eidolon against a mana ramp deck?
wait wait wait, so the better nissa cards are the ones we DIDN'T build around? why?
What ones would you say are "better"
The only missing Nissa is the original Nissa Revine, but she needs an Elf Tribal deck to really do anything.
What? The blue green Nissa and the two bigger Nissas are the best
@@drakeconsumerofsoulsandche5761 I always preferred the 3 mana nissa over the 5 mana ones. This deck worked like a charm though, so my bad.
Finally doing the Elf planewalker. :)
No OG Nissa? Show some elf love!
OG Nissa is tough. It does pretty much nothing in the deck since we only have four Elves in Arbor Elf and she would probably make us run NIssa's Chosen which is really underpowered for Modern. Maybe I should have tried harder to make her work though.
48:08 Tron-Killer
I hecking love planeswalker tribal
It's always so much fun!
I have a good deck idea. You play the oath of Gideon and teferi, then a reckless fireweaver. then play a saheeli rai and use argent mutation on it. After that you can copy it infinatley and continue doubling the number of saheeli’s you have, dealing infinite damage with the reckless fireweaver
Unfortunately the argent mutation only makes the original one an artifact, the copies only copy what is printed on the original not any added effects or types. So the reckless fireweaver doesn't work as you intend.
Second, because of the legend rule you don't get to double your number of Saheelis (without a Mirror gallery)
Mycosynth lattice in place on the Mutation in your example does work though. And since you mentioned oath of teferi, you don't even need the Fireweaver. You can just +1 deal a damage -2 copy Saheeli keep the new one repeat. Splashing white for the oath means that Felidar guardian fits nicely in the deck as a known combo. Having both Oath of Teferi and Gideon lets pirate Jace go infinite, and since his tokens aren't legendary you can have "half infinite" of them make illusions and the other "half infinite" stay in play to recover from a board wipe etc.
With that said, you could probably build a base UW control deck to slow down the game until OoTeferi and splash red only for Saheeli, but since she needs Mycosynth (7mana) or Felidar to win she isn't necessary. I'd say just do UW Jace tribal to fuel card draw, and have the Oaths as a surprise finisher
Now that's a Tron killer :)
This deck is where I'd assume the zendikar lands would see play cause you want to have almost all forests in play.
Yeah, the problem for the Zendikar lands is we can have almost all Forest in play with just shocks and fetches, so I'm not sure how needed they are. Maybe as a one-of.
I love it when Seth says Nissa Tron rofl
44:00
You should attack
Twice
twice? with skipped untap phase would not be possible, if I am not missing something..
@@daniGumkac oh I though that only lands wouldn't untap sorry
Imagine playing Nissa tribal when Who shakes the Earth hasn't even been released yet.
Rest in peace my Vraska tribal 😢
1:00:40 really? wow.
61 cards is beautiful
No Nissa's chosen?
It's really underpowered for Modern. I considered it for flavor reasons, but decided against it.
@@MTGGoldfish Winning games is more fun.
Greatest keep of all time at 1:00:30. A weaker man would have mulliganed.
43:57 couldn't he have trophied his own enchantment so he only lost one?
No. Ass blast only blasts opponents crap.
@@a_fuckin_spacemarine7514 but it's a bad card! It gives the opponent a land!
I don't think this deck should keep opening hands without a way to ramp to a turn 3 nissa.
Am I insane or should Seth have trophied his own utopia sprawl game 3 against jund?
Assassin's Trophy can only target an opponents permanents so that wouldn't work.
Assassin's Trophy can only hit opponent's things unfortunately :(
At the end of the deck tech I swear you said "Nissa turds"
Seth :( at 43:45 you could have blown up your own Utopia sprawl and would have not lost any Mana since you replace it with a land and keep the second sprawl. Just saying
Wrong.
Nah you're just showing off your Nexus of Fate after all those treasure chests
You or one of the others should do an Arena sealed event
We're doing one on stream tonight to get ready for prerelease this weekend. Twitch.tv/mtggoldfish at 6pm EST (also goes on the MTGGoldfish Replay! RUclips after).
The deck needs more Birds of Paradise. I am not entirely sure what should go out (maybe even a land), but seriously it needed close to 3 more Birds of Paradise.
Also I feel like Time Warp is just better than Savor the Moment. Maybe do a split with both perhaps but leaning towards more Time Warp. But you do get bonus points for spicy jankyness, so well done on the bonus points.
I love bonus points for spice :)
where is the oath of nissa
easily better in the deck than serum visions
I initially has Oath of Nissa over Serum Visions, but Serum Visions helping set up Temporal Mastery is nice.
Yassss
Did you know Assassin's Trophy is a Tron killer?
At 36:25 I think it was a big mistake to emblem the big Nissa instead of just ticking it up one more time and killing Liliana with it.
So it turns out Assassin's Trophy really is the Tron killer...
ErroneousClique the thing that makes it different from other torn killers is that it's good against lots of things that aren't tron. In the past "tron killers" were only sideboard cards specifically for tron, but assasins trophy is seeing main deck play fit its versatility
1:00:40 Unpunished hard. lol
i've misread the title as nigga tribal and now i want to see it happens
1:00:42
I'm so mad.
Wilderness rec + savor= gold
The greeeed!
I love seeing Tron losing
Allegiance comes out tomorrow lol
Seth trims temporal mastery in tron matchup, so he only has two in his deck. Then, for the next TWO games starts with both temporal mastery's in his opening hand....WTAF are the odds on that guys?? also, seth, I think this is probably a sign you can't play temporal mastery decks with nissa XD
That’s a tron killer