The TRUTH about 6 Vegans vs. 1 Meat Eater
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Hi. What's your favorite Sour Patch Kids flavor?
Just an honest question: did you feel offended by Erin’s comments at all??
the blue ones of courseee
@@animetalesseries Hi! Haha, I really wasn't. After filming, me and Erin actually laughed about the whole experience and joked about it.
@@BrandonYee Hi, that’s good to know! I think what made it look so bad was that you were putting out your honest vegan position and she was tearing it down. Everyone felt bad for you and wanted you to know that you are legit
The blue ones!
There's just a difference between being competitive and displaying poor character
True
yeah she seems like a horrible person anyways, doesn't matter if it is a competition
Yupppp
Facts
Very poor character
We didn't hate on her competitiveness. We hated on her rudness and how she thought she was superior.
JUST COPYING AND PASTING MY COMMENT BECAUSE I DON’t WANNA WRITE IT AGAIN, but: She wasn’t competitive she literally sabotaged herself by caring only about shitting on Brandon to lift herself up. She sucks and yes I would wager she’s not a good person based on her behavior in this episode
I loved her
So don't "we" me
@@bhul3960 he is refering to the people that hate her... The open question posed by this video is "why did people react the way they did to Erin" he is answering the question on behalf of the people that hated her... as I am one of those people people he is speaking for and as what he said is a good chunk of one of the many reasons I still would not help Erin out of a burning car, he can "we" us all he wants.
You were never involved in his statement, you simply assumed you were because you ignored the context of the video and his post.
Hrm, wonder if I need to say "you" a few more times to point out the fact that *you* did not need to post a response to this comment.
Doesn’t mean she deserves harassment though.
@@bhul3960 ew why tho she's literally horrible
Erin wasn't competitive, she was rude and aggressive. She didn't deserve death threats or anything like that, however I hope that she reflects on why people found her a rude and aggressive bully and changes her behaviour. Likewise, I hope those who sent death threats reflected on their behaviour too. Both are wrong.
Funny little death threat
@@2mono7 what?
she was competitive 🧍
Nah she totally deserved the threats 💅
@@penelopephelange what the fuck.
Erin's backlash didn't come from her being competitive - it came from her embodying that vegan stereotype of the superiority complex and whatnot. That's not saying all vegans are like that, ofc they aren't, it was criticism of her approach to Brandon specifically. It puts a bad taste in your mouth when someone goes after another person with the attitude she had and then the fact that she was wrong really fed into everything
Agreed. I think vegans disliked her the most bc she makes vegans look HORRIBLE. If she was a level 100 vegan and she could sus out anything non vegan bc she was just that good, that would have been one thing, but she acted like that when she clearly doesn't know which things are vegan or which things can be veganized. She made veganism look even more elitist and inaccessible than it already is.
if brandon isn’t offended by her, why are you?
@@candysweet434 because she made vegans look HORRIBLE! I'm not irritated by her on behalf of Brandon haha. Just like how white people get mad at racist Karens. It sucks to see someone in your group acting a fool and their actions give people a bad impression of the whole group.
I agree. I’m a vegan for animal cruelty reasons but if someone chooses to eat or buy meat that’s their decision and I can’t argue or convince someone otherwise.
I like the label of a vegan because I know I’m helping the world but at the same time it’s kinda embarrassing because people think I’m this annoying girl who will scream at you for eating a burger.
@@justicejones7646 so? that's how life works. there's going to be some bad seeds in every group. also, how was she acting a fool? she was trying to figure out the mole of the group. you're really comparing a competitive vegan that is playing a game and trying to win money to a racist? wow, people are so sensitive nowadays.
9:00 sir, she literally Gaslit you into questioning yourself. That isn’t “competitive” that’s manipulation.
i agree thats like if someone convinced me i dont like animals
Tbf the point of the game was to see if he was lying so she was overcompetitive in the sense that she was trying to trip him into revealing he’s not vegan. Being overcompetitive in a game about deception will look different than in most other games. She still took it too far but just saying
@@davidtolbert8446 This is exactly how I feel about this. She took it too far, but in that setting, it’s basically a setup to do that.
Yes it is, because many would think that if you were truly what you say you are, you'd defend yourself. Manipulation can be a part of being competative. If you do something bad in a game and i type '?', I'm manipulating your feelings to get an edge and have more a chance to win. Now that doesn't mean you should be toxic, but mind games are a part of competative play.
Right like why are we giving her a pass! Do they not understand that if she made us all feel away we can’t all be crazy 😂😂😂
"nerds"
"Name one"
"Nerds"
"Like name one"
"Ok sour patch kids"
"Ok, that's not vegan"
Erin was so very irritating.
EXACTLY
This.
@@uwudemon8631 too be fair though, he ate sour patch kids in the video, but they arent vegan since they use ingredients that are tested on animals
@@Dawnyy that's not vegan
@@Islandfist yeah…. that’s what I just said
honestly it didn't bug me that she was being competitive, it bugged me that 1: she had her facts wrong about sour patch kids, 2: when he did give valid answers like buckwheat and taco bell, she immediately discarded/invalidated them, and then 3: when people turned it and questioned her she got super defensive, like she couldnt believe they were doubting her. I dont think people should send her hate ofc not, but i understand why so many people took issue with her
Honestly I thought sour patch kids had gelatin too
@@daredevilwrestling7290 They're not vegan in the UK, but are in the US.
@@clarissahinshaw6037 cause we all about being woke
This is really well said
I agree!
Bruh erin literally gaslit Brandon into thinking he wasn't vegan 😂
He isn't, if you're "vegan" for your health or eat honey, you're not vegan.
Edit: it's about 5 months since I made this comment, though I still hold my view, I don't care anymore.
@@firstname3857 oooooh looks like Erin has joined the chat
@@firstname3857 depends on the definition, but vegan is mainly a food related thing so you can be vegan and buy fur scarfes, which is rare but wouldn't undermine your veganism of food choices. Typically yea vegan people also don't take anything else that comes from animals for other use, but that's cause they are pro animal rights and whatnot. You can be either one, both or neither.
So being vegan for health reasons is valid, eating honey by definition would make you not vegan. Then again it's a journey and labels are too damn complex just eat what you eat and don't be a douche about it.
@@firstname3857 the fact that you’re saying this makes it obvious you’re talking out your asshole because honey Is a heavily debated vegan topic
@@firstname3857 hi Erin, actually, it’s called the vegan diet. So how does going on a diet for dietary purposes discredit the person as vegan?
No, the problem with Erin isn't that she's competitive. The problem is that he targeted Brandon and made him feel invalidated for his (correct!) answers. Then when others tried to stand up for him and just point out kindly that you could get vegan Taco Bell food she freaked out.
1000 likes and no replies? Let me fix that!
”Veganism is a philosophy and way of living which seeks to exclude-as far as is possible and practicable-all forms of exploitation of, and cruelty to, animals for food, clothing or any other purpose”
That’s not even the problem. The problem is she straight up pushed lies as fact and then put words in Brandon’s mouth.
Here’s what crazy though. Mallewi is actually just as annoying as Erin, because he’s also competitive. But Erin is way too aggressive and straight up bullying Brandon, also the part where people defended Brandon and she played the victim where she feels like she’s being “attacked” boils my blood
omggggg IKR
As in!!! The girl that was explaining to her and backing Brandon was soooo calm about it as well, her response was ridiculous typical karen
Who's mallewi
@@raven-kn6lv i think it's the dude who wore the denim jacket
That triggered me when she played the victim 😒 it gave me peak Karen energy
it wasn't her being competitive, but just being the stereotypical gatekeeping vegan most people hate 😶
@Alicia en el Pais de las Maravillas I mean it is a white elitist thing but this makes it look waaaay more apparent. A look at the woman behind the curtain if you will.
@@kimmiewise1044 I was going to say this same thing. She was being a bee with an itch for no reason but trying to disguise it as being competitive. If that was the case, she would have been grilling ALL of them more equally.
Gatekeeping is the last thing our movement needs.
@@kimmiewise1044 I’m Hispanic and vegan for 6 years 😅
@@kimmiewise1044 It’s not a “white elitist thing”. Veganism is an aspect of Jainism, for example, a religion practiced by mostly non-white people. Many Hindus are vegetarian culturally as well. Even for non-religious purposes, there are vegans of all races.
“She was just being competitive”
No dude, she was far beyond competitive. She was like borderline harassing, lowkey gaslighting, and just as just being straight up MEAN! That’s not competitive, it’s the opposite-being a bad competitor and based PURELY on the dialogue we’ve seen post-edit, being a bad person (again Erin could be a lovely person but with this being the only thing I have to go off of, I can almost guarantee my self esteem would be whittled down so quickly just by being near her)
Also racist. The only people she cut off were the black men
@@rulerworld1289 She wasn't racist. He was legit going on for a long time.
@@rulerworld1289 okay I don’t know about that but maybe MAYBE she could be who knows
@@rulerworld1289 she's not racist but she was overly competitive and targeting Brandon but Jayln was just talking way too much
1 year late “She was just being competitive” line is basically a way of damage control.
Erin was too annoying and judgmental. This is what sparked her getting hate. Erin was not fun to watch. I honestly disliked her because she was extremely rude and judgmental. Maybe if y’all included her in one of the Middle Grounds video we will get to see what she’s about. ODD MAN OUT was not a good place for her.
I mean, it was kinda fun to watch her get mad and such. But she definitely gives vegans a bad look
@@koreoprezzii Not funny..
@@MysteriousBeingOfLight it was very funny
She literally just played the game
I mean i totally agree with you she was seriously like interrupting and demanding and just wrong, like being vegan is a definition you make for yourself, just because you don't use vagan soaps doesn't make you any less vegan . I mean i don't hate her but she'd be that person i wouldn't like if she acted like that in real life.
Here's the thing. Of course don't send threats or harass Erin and of course she was playing the game. But the issue is HOW she was playing the game. That is why no one liked her. I hope in real life she is a great person but sadly our first impression of her was not good...
the targeting and gaslighting is still one of the worst pieces of media i've ever sat through, just because it was basically the exact same experience i had when i got bullied in middle school, where it got so severe i developed SzPD as a result. i still haven't watched the full video because of her.
she really doesn't make vegans look that bad. People hate on any vegan that isn't super subtle and laid back about their veganism, because they don't want their actions to be questioned. It's like people who say they aren't homophobic, they just don't like 'people shoving being gay in your face' - you're issue is not with the person, it's with the fact you don't want to admit it makes you uncomfortable bc of your own biases. Of course in the latter it's due to bigotry, and in the former it's due to the fact they know veganism is the 'morally correct' position
@@nmitchxll305 I agree but you can be like earthling Ed - he’s respectful, pushy but not in the rude way Erin was. And I’m saying this as someone who’s (sadly) not vegan atm- but I do subscribe to a lot of vegan youtubers and the Erin approach is just gonna scare others away while the Ed approach welcomes new members to the community
Well said
Spoiler alert, she’s not a good person in real life.
I don't think ppl were "hating" on Erin just to hate. Brandon was visibly uncomfortable from her incessant questioning and critical comments. You can be competitive and not be rude. She could verbally go after Brandon about eating at taco bell saying its not vegan but then when others inform her, not rudely btw, that you CAN eat vegan at taco bell she suddenly acts like she's being ambushed and attacked. It's about the attitude and the energy she brought, not her so called competitiveness.
She's lowkey harassing Brandon 😂
brandon: i like candy with no gelatin
erin: name one
brandon: nerds
erin:
brandon:
erin: name one
I mean she was right about nerds not being vegan tho, since they generally aren't
@@amyloberg6668 it’s just funny to me how she interrupted and didn’t listen to him
@@amyloberg6668 he didn’t seem to really get to finish his comment. Some nerds are vegan. Maybe because she hounded him for one example, that’s why he went with sour patch kids
Grape nerds are vegan. Sour patch is also vegan. Twizzlers, Swedish fish, skittles, fun dip, air heads, dots, jolly ranchers, dum dum lollipops, and like a ton more candy is vegan
Edit: thanks for all the likes vegans lmao :)
@@ashley-sv4lo and I did say generally
my favorite part is that sour patches are literally vegan 😭
YUPPPPPP
And the fact that everyone agreed w her saying they weren’t vegan was mind boggling
I remember watching this video because, I was vegan. She said it wasn’t and I was literally eating sour patch kids and I was like wait a damn minute. Read the ingredients and was like yes they are Erin!
@@mh7915 Yup, I remember watching that video before I even went vegan. They are 100% vegan, I eat them now too.
I know right!!
Edit: the reason these are considered vegan is because there is no gelatin and the colouring doesn't come from beetles. For some vegans who are very very strict these could be considered non vegan as the sugar could be filtered through bone char as a means of whitening. But in general the actual bone char is not in the product and therefore most vegans are fine with eating them.
I love that Brandon isn't even verbally throwing shade, he's solely using his actions
I know I’m gonna get hate for saying this but if someone claims they’re vegan, despite a few slip-ups, and they’re making honest efforts to eat vegan, THEY’RE STILL VEGAN. I would still define them as vegan. The conscious effort is what matters. The more you tell a vegan person they’re not vegan, the more likely they’ll get discouraged and stop making an effort. That’s why Erin didn’t vibe with me. I don’t call it competitive. I think it was just mean. It’s been a year now so I know she’s definitely learned from the experience but this happens to people attempting to be vegan all the time. You learn and you become more and more of what you embody. It’s not an overnight thing. It makes me feel bad because Brandon probably doesn’t consider himself vegan anymore as he’s joking about eating all these non-vegan things. But Brandon, you’re still vegan if you keep up the effort! You got this! If you want to be vegan, go for it! I’m rooting for your health!
all the things he ate are vegan
If a Christian misses church one week, they don't stop being a Christian. If a vegan eats something that isn't vegan, they don't stop being vegan.
@@placeholdernameisplacehold7671 I agree! Also, I wanted to add that I had a colleague who is strict strict strict vegan. She was the most vegan person I have ever met. Her and I went to a conference together and the only food they offered was not vegan. She made a comment saying, "I don't think any of the food here is vegan." Then, without complaining any more or saying anything related to the food choices, she ate the food silently and just enough so that she wasn't hungry anymore. I still consider her vegan and I respected her even more for not wasting food.
I totally agree. this is actually an impactful lesson to the vegan community to be humble and more welcoming.
If you don't go to a temple and your hindu, your still hindu, if you wear a dress and your a tomboy, your still a tomboy, the list goes on.
The reason people didn’t like Erin was because she was soooo judgey. She’s the kinda vegan that make the rest of us look bad 🤷🏼♀️
It’s fascinating how that emoji looks exactly like you
That’s not vegan
@@Gary_a_normal_human_being even the purple shirt lool😭
I absolutely adore the energy Erin brought. She did great imo!
I'm dead. Brandon brought buckwheat, taco bell, and sour patch kids just for this reaction video 😭. Got himself breakfast, lunch, and dinner.
Fax and him doing that is a F You it’s vegan and I was right 😂💯he was forced to say nice things about her bc of his job
This is the most important comment here. Brandon is okay. He's mature, he's gotten over it, and he's twisted the knife deep. 🤣
Brandon just sitting there eating everything he said he eats is hilarious
Edit: Bruh this comment has more likes than my total views times 30
I know right
This is my favorite part
the shade HAHAHAHAHAHA
ikr
It didn't really do anything for me
Brandon makes vegans look like reasonably people
Erin makes people wanna go far away from veganism as possible.
Brandon is a human
@@Josh-is2wt so is Erin wdym
@@simonalaniz1192 Treating people like dirt isn’t humanlike. It’s monster like.
@@Josh-is2wt lol
Brandon is plant based tho and no, she was playing the game lol. I wonder if people also want to stay way from other things just because they met ONE person who practice it and they don’t like them
It’s interesting to hear the creator of this game say she hates how the audience got “distracted by erin” when that’s actually quite the opposite. She literally was the textbook example of showing bias and group think. She automatically singled out Brandon because he was more timid. She assumed he didn’t fit the part for whatever reason. She backed him into a corner and got everyone else to agree that he was automatically not the vegan. They all voted him out. The creator of the show literally wanted to show those two things and it really was seen best through erin ! The audience was so shocked bc it was so apparent and in real life it’s not as obvious. We’ve all been there dealing with an erin type so that added an extra layer.
Could not have said it any better!!!
Exactly!!!
Yes!!! I literally got flashbacks to different “Erin’s” I’ve had to deal with in life.
I think the hate Erin received was so huge, that the creator and the victimized dude, have to voluntarily, drag and air out a lot of that hatred, by de-victimizing him and empowering Erin in whatever ways they can.
That's how bad Erin portrayed herself. To the point that, her victim had to help her out.
”Veganism is a philosophy and way of living which seeks to exclude-as far as is possible and practicable-all forms of exploitation of, and cruelty to, animals for food, clothing or any other purpose”
Slightly disappointed to not see vegan Erin respond. I wonder how she is doing.
If she did respond she would probably get mostly backlash
Karinakarinaa she deserves it.
@@suryavir2598 no one deserves to be bullied
Jubilee audience is usually nice but bullying and death threats was out of line
@@TheNinjapancake14 Definitely. Let's try and be better.
Do not confuse Erin extreme need to win and paint someone as who they’re not as competitiveness. Mallewi was also competitive (and a lil annoying) but he was respectful nonetheless, he also extremely doubted Brandon but notice how no one is mad at him. She’s not competitive for the game, she’s competitive for the “best vegan” title
Totally agree with this statement
Can you pls give me timestamps When he did because no offence but I'm not convince
@@royalelavender8644 when he did what? Im so confused
@@royalelavender8644 by what, about what, for what? What are you talking about
Lol, it's almost like if you don't take it upon yourself to become the bad guy in the game, and instead keep your chill, people won't decide they hate you.
Erin: Who eats buckwheat ???
Also Erin: I know people do
this had me dying. 😭
Lmao "So what, Is Brandon not "people" now?"
I know right! I really don't understand what she was trying to do there LOL
@@sangriad.938her way of trying to say he doesn’t look like the type of person to eat buckwheat I guess 😂 She’s silly for that one
@@Bruhtatochip742 This had me rofl 😅😂
I didn’t have an issue w erin bc she was competitive i had an issue w her because her facts were wrong (sour patch kids ARE vegan), got upset when people questioned HER, and questioned the legitimacy of brandon’s veganism because he didn’t meet HER definition of what a vegan “should be.” she doesn’t deserve death threats and she’s not a bad person she’s just annoying and it’s disturbing and frustrating that people treated her like that.
Comment you stole was right under the pinned comment lol
@@mono7099 k
There not vegan everywhere. In the UK they contain Gelatine. My rule of thumb, unless it says otherwise, gummy sweets have gelatine in them.
I completely agree
You just plagiarized someones comment and rephrased everything in your own words kinda lame if you ask me but it makes sense a good point is a good point
I lost it when they wrote “Not vegan Erin”
😭😭
What really made me mad with erin was how she singled in on attacking brandon and then when people stepped in to defend him, she painted herself as the victim and got mad
Erin was just a bully towards Brandon. Like instead of asking everyone what candy they liked or what soap they use, she went straight to Brandon. Also, very passive aggressive when talking to him. I was so glad when the meat eater won because she did not deserve the win
Calm down, youre acting no better than her. Maybe we should all bully you too.
Maybe she did but it was edidted out
@@ifyouwantoreplyjustclickth5063 Criticism is not bullying. She was being aggressive and rude, this person is just pointing out what she did wrong and is glad that she wasn't rewarded for her harassment.
@@fredericksaxton9782 harrasment is not the same as criticism, its bullying. People dont learn to be a better person from being bullied. They only get scared to not act certain ways only because of fear of more bullying, not because they became a genuinely respectful person.
@@ifyouwantoreplyjustclickth5063 so you saying because he bullying a bully you should also bully them? Bruh pick a lane, disliking someone for being impolite is valid, they’re not threatening her merely stating the fact that Erin did not deserve prize money for her attitude. Which is absolutely valid. Calm down and understand there is something called perspective and opinion
This video brought up so many emotions from that video, oof. It's just the way she went for Brandon's throat every. single. time. She gave off "better than you" vibes which can be common interacting w/ some vegans (esp when Brandon said "they made me feel like my reason for being vegan wasn't good enough") and that's what Erin triggered in me. She made it seem like there was only one version of being vegan.
Also, kinda ironic how she called out Brandon but then she said Sour Patch Kids weren't vegan and didn't apologize (from what we saw in the video).
ANYWAYS, there are plenty of other OMO videos without the level of cutthroat-ness that Erin used. And Brandon seemed hurt. That's all.
Why would she apologize for the sour patch kids in the video though? I don't think she knew they were vegan until after the game
@@jinjunliu2401 the way she was so sure of herself when she was actually wrong is just so annoying lmao. she said “those aren’t vegan” to him like he was a child in such a condescending way, when she was actually in the wrong.
@@katdoge304 Yeah that's not good but I'm sure most of us have done that (without realising) though
@Nina Berinson But plant-based is not a that well known term. And also I feel like people started using the term plant-based because of the Erin-type gatekeeper vegans.
Everyone I know that call themselves plant based is because they suffered some backlash from people saying they are not real vegans
@Nina Berinson theres no such thing as 'right veganism ' and that type of superiority complex is exactly why the vegan community is so disliked.
She wasn’t competitive, she found one dude and gaslit him plain and simple, her aggressive attitude was one hundred percent personal. If Brandon was the mole, she’d still have to give him the benefit of the doubt because they’re both playing a game at this point. She sucks and needs to know she sucks so she can change her attitude
You know what. The only reason Erin didn't win was that she was so focused on Brandon. We barely got to hear what other people had to say
The issue with Erin isn’t ‘oh you’re competitive, you ask a lot of questions’. It’s the fact that she attacked people with ‘okay that’s not vegan’ when she was factually incorrect
Erin wasnt "competitive"
She was a bad person. She literally gaslit Brandon, didn't know her facts, and then got MAD when people questioned her and disagreed with her.
Brandon IS a vegan.
I need “Brandon is a vegan” on a shirt hahahahh
A bad person? Jeez. Guess your family never played games with you growing up. That’s sad for you.
”Veganism is a philosophy and way of living which seeks to exclude-as far as is possible and practicable-all forms of exploitation of, and cruelty to, animals for food, clothing or any other purpose”
@@stephenhewitt5721 well she played it very poorly. XD
I don't know. Of course Erin was "just playing the game" and is probably a really nice person in real life, but I still think that she was way too harsh on Brandon. The way he was made to doubt if he was actually vegan was horrible, and I'm sure a lot of people in the comments like myself were reminded how real life bullies often act in very similar ways. Of course that doesn't mean she deserves the hate she got, but it feels weird to see Brandon make light of it when it clearly affected him on a pretty deep level.
For me she was literally just harassing him
The thing is the producers didnt do a good job; because veganism is a philosophy against all animal exploitation, so they shoul've gotten people who were all vegans for moral reasons. Usually people like brandon are called "plant based' not vegan. Like, thats just the definition of veganism, and to make the game make sense hey shoulve used just one definition of vegan.
plus she didn't even know what tf she was talking about.... Taco Bell can be vegan and so are sour patch kids
I think it’s just because he realizes how extreme the backlash on Erin was and knows in his heart that it’s not right.
Tbh i dont agree that shes probably a nice person irl she gave off superior vegan vibes LOL
Wow I can’t believe this video did absolutely nothing to change my mind about how much I dislike Erin lol
TRUE
i can
It’s ok to dislike somebody, but it’s not ok to threaten and shame them. At all.
@@hani0910 It's not okay to threaten them, but it is completely fine to shame them.
@@majestic-domination that
"We have all played the competitive person, this one was just on camera"
Well, no. You can be competitive and not single out and bully one specific person. Even if you're 100% sure that person is the mole, you don't need to bully someone. Do not compare us to Erin, god lol
erin didnt deserve death threats or malicious attacks, but this glossed over the fact that people were angry because of how mean and accusatory she was being (and not just for the sake of the game). she upheld the vegan stereotype that vegans think they're morally superior and will gatekeep everyone else's veganism. the nicest thing i can say about her was she came off extremely insecure by just projecting onto everyone else. even watching back the clips, it was extremely difficult to feel like she was "just playing the game" when she looked like she was just WAITING for brandon to say something wrong. honestly it makes it worse that the producers and showrunners didn't WANT people to hate erin. it kind of shows that this wasn't production manipulation. it was just her.
What- she got death threats. I didn’t know people hated her I just would laugh and make jokes about her LMAO
@@Lol-rw4eh a human killing themselves isnt vegan tho-
this comment needs a pin..
erin: singles out brandon and is extremely condescending to all of the participants
other participants: i thought tacobell was vegan
erin: omg why are you attacking me i’m the vegan expert and you all should clearly see i am superior with vegan knowledge and know more information than everyone else in the room can’t you see that?
Exactly the part that frustrates me is that all of them were liek wait aren’t sour patch kids vegan? Liek what and then she acted liek they were attacking her like no they were questioningu
@@i.n7089 Then she was like, oh I don't eat candy. Well if she didn't eat candy, no wonder she didn't know what candy was vegan and what wasn't.
just cus shes doin it for years doesnt mean shes right 😑🤨
Also note all the participants reactions when she got defensive. Obviously she doesn't like feeling vulnerable and that showed strongly there, which everyone noticed. There was a "well anyways let's move on" vibe.
This showing of weakness is down right cringy when you try and paint a picture that you operate on a higher plane. Everyone seemed uncomfortable in this moment, and tbh they should!
🤣🤣🤣
The irony of Brandon is that he validated the stereotype…people didn’t believe he was vegan because he didn’t display overt signs of grandiose narcissism.
Well put
Why do you think vegans are narcissists?..
”Veganism is a philosophy and way of living which seeks to exclude-as far as is possible and practicable-all forms of exploitation of, and cruelty to, animals for food, clothing or any other purpose”
@@madeleygarcia6396 Precisely, and some interpret that exclusivity into bigotry, as Erin showed.
@@Sunrise-fr9jbbecause a lot of them are
Erin attacked one person the whole game and I think that they probably lost because of that. She was also very critical of someone who was trying their best to do the best thing for their body. In my opinion, The hate on her is unnecessary because the whole point of this video is entertainment and raising thought on stereotypes.
She embodied a bad stereotype. She probably turned so mqny people even farther away from veganism cause who wants to deal with that? And what she did to Brandon actually happens to new vegans alot, so she was actively contributing to bullying people out of veganism because they weren't up to her "knowledge" which wasn't even right!
She overwhelmed and triggered me to the point where I felt like I couldn’t continue watching the video because she gave me an “I’m better than you” vibe or the pushy vegan stereotype
yeah, like if someone is trying to become vegan and just started, and you as an expert know a lot, shouldn't the proper response be hey, I'll help you and give you advice? Even if it was just the game, why single out on person, ignore everyone else, which resulted into loss anyway?
its edited ofc she probably wasn't singling him out as significantly as they made it out, brandon said so himself
The thing is Erin was literally making Brandon doubt himself and I feel like other people shouldn’t be worried and “playing safe”. The director is playing it down and saying “she’s just competitive” but no she’s plain out rude. I am EXTREMELY competitive but I am never rude, I don’t get my victory by bringing people down. In competitions I even cheer on opponents when I can and I take a loss like a champ. Erin is rude and a bully, plain and simple. Now by saying this I don’t mean people should threaten her but then again I was taught “treat others like you wanna be treated” and if you’re gonna act rude and condescending, expect the same treatment back, people don’t always have to be the “bigger person”
i am also really competitive and i aint gonna bully people just for a damn game jfc
I feel like the problem with this kind of game is that it’s almost a setup to try and delve into other people’s views and tear them down. They were trying to figure out who was vegan and who wasn’t, and Erin took an accusatory stance with every person she talked to. It’s hard to tell if that was her trying to root out the mole and help her team win the game, or whether or not she may have a rude, accusatory stance in real life. The way she went about getting her answers came across toxically to me and made me very upset, but I realized later on that this whole competition was a bit of a grey area; in a room where seven people are potentially vegan, it’s almost natural for them to question and doubt each other about what makes someone a vegan... and that leaves room for quite a few insults, unfair judgments, and hurtful comments. Without the context of the game, Erin is maliciously berating Brandon about his lifestyle and putting him in a position to feel unworthy of his vegan label. With the context of the game, though, Erin may just be a little bit of an aggressively competitive player who’s drilling people to see who’s lying about being a vegan, and who wants to make sure that no stone is left unturned. I feel like it’s completely hard to tell whether or not her intentions were to bully other people. In my eyes, she definitely came across toxically and should’ve dialed it back a little. But I don’t know if I can go as far as saying that Erin is bullying, or that she treats people in the same fashion outside of a competitive setting. I guess what I’m trying to say is that this game is really just a setup for people to argue with each other and ask harsh questions about more sensitive topics, so I feel like it’s unfair to judge the entirety of Erin’s character off of what we see here.
she wasn't rue, she just stated facts. Yes she was agressiv but that was also a game! like okay she was obvs wrong about the sour patches but other than that she's right. someone eating honey isn't vegan. And by definition vegans try to avoid any harm generated by them towards animals aka also don't use non-vegan products like lotions or soap etc. !!!
@@suunflower286 she was also wrong about Taco Bell and it was wrong to accuse him of not being vegan bc he followed a vegan diet without following a completely vegan lifestyle (example I think was used was for shampoos and stuff) while others also only followed a vegan diet. She was only after him
FRRR the way she made him question himself made me feel like she was gaslighting him
While he's eating buckwheat. 😭✨ He's a whole king, period.
Erin gaslit Brandon and stated wrong facts ,that’s what made me kinda annoyed with her. Not her being competitive, that’s completely valid. HOWEVER, sending death threats to her or harassing her is the absolute worst
You’re acting like Brandon is a victim of something 🙄
first of all Brandon isn’t vegan, he’s not because being vegan is a philosophy
@@Hellokitty-pb3gb he is vegan. You're allowed to not know everything off the bat and still be vegan. You're allowed to make researching mistakes at first and still be vegan. If you gatekeep our community like that, it'll literally do more harm than good. And Erin absolutely did gaslight him, it's literally in the video.
@@Hellokitty-pb3gb LMAOO omg being vegan is not a philosophy the definition of veganism is not consuming any products that come from an animal I bet you're the type of person who claims its a "lifestyle"
@@Hellokitty-pb3gb for a name of “stop being mean to me” I can see why that would be an incredibly hard task🤣
@@Hellokitty-pb3gb confess. You’re Erin.
Please do an interview with Erin (if she is interested) on her perspective of this episode
Don’t Erin was a jerk.
I'd be really interested in it. it's been a year since the original video and im really curious to hear if she's changed at all, how she feels about the video and just how she's doing. I thought she was insufferable in the video but I do hope she's doing okay.
what her insta
even though i think that'd be interesting, i think people wouldn't care about what she has to say and just bully her even further. After all, people always hate on vegans who speak up cause they internally know they are right, it's just how it is
@@suunflower286 what? Dude nobody’s hating on her cause she’s a “vEgAn ThAt SpEaKs Up”. They’re hating on her cause she legit pushed Brandon into a corner of “Am I even Vegan?”. She was just insufferable bro. And dude, every diet has their pros and cons, there’s no “Right diet”.. it’s all up to preference and what your body can handle. And as a meat eater, I knew sour patch kids were vegan and I knew Taco Bell had vegan options... meanwhile she used her own misinformation against Brandon and would view her style of Veganism as the only form of Veganism... she was being a dick to Brandon and taking his Veganism info question because it didn’t match her style, but when she was put into question she felt offended.
I love how Brandon's lowkey petty while each part comes up lmao
ikr lmao
well i would be too
and he’s a KING for that
@Cincoat “did it for health reasons and my skin” also Brandon ***head first in a bag of sour patch kids loaded in sugar*** lol 😂 but I love the petty.
WHhich shows that this whole entire video of 'Erin was justbeing competative' is incencere... if he had a problem with it, he had a problem.
*Eats buckwheat, Taco Bell, and Sour Patch kids while watching. Love the shade Brandon. LOL
He should have eaten purple nerds too 😂.
I’m just glad Erin didn’t get any money 🤩
Honestly 🥰🕺I was so happy she didn’t she did not deserve any of it
Can u send me her Instagram?
Honestly same she was so rude the whole time and made vegans in general look bad.
If Erin was playing “competitively” she wouldn’t just have attacked Brandon
Right she only came for him
She also attacked Shereen asking her which blog and which video she watched about veganism. She was just eliminated early.
literally!!!!!!
The problem with Erin is she was competitive in more than just a game sense. She was being competitive on moral grounds as well. And honestly, just rude. She didn't deserve to be bullied tho.
THIS. I don't have a problem with the competitiveness of the game, but it felt like Erin wasn't trying to figure out who was pretending to be a vegan, but rather who was the "worst" vegan. That's not the point.
She deserves... Period!
She 100% deserved to be bullied by the internet lmao. What a terrible person she was.
Erin wasn't there to win the One Person Out competition: she was there to win an unstated "I am THE most vegan and thus only vegan" competition.
”Veganism is a philosophy and way of living which seeks to exclude-as far as is possible and practicable-all forms of exploitation of, and cruelty to, animals for food, clothing or any other purpose”
@@madeleygarcia6396
1. Thanks for the copy-paste.
2. "as far as is possible and practical" makes that not an objectively measurable statement, especially with regards to practicability: furthermore, that may be one definition of the philosophy, but it is hardly the only one.
I have a friend who is vegan. When asked why, she replied, "Because I was having some health issues and decided to try giving up animal products for awhile, and I found that I started to feel a lot better."
When I asked her if it had anything to do with compassion towards animals, she said, "F*ck no. I couldn't care less about that."
That doesn't make her any less vegan in terms of execution.
I also have a friend like Erin who is incredibly... challenging... I would love to see them together. I don't think they would find common ground, but try to one-up each other. I do not have the luxury of having the decision to be vegan because of a severe health condition that forces me to eat very specific foods, including many animal products. I like vegan food very much, and if given the chance, I would definitely consider a vegan lifestyle, but I don't have that choice: my doctors are always telling me to eat more beef and to avoid fruits and vegetables as much as possible... and then my friend waxes at length about how disgusting she finds it that when we go out to eat (her suggestion), I eat food with animal products unless we deliberately go to a vegan restaurant (which unless done very sparingly, is putting my health at risk). So... where exactly is the minimization of cruelty towards me, a fellow animal who has about as much choice to be vegan as a snake does?
The candy question grinds my gears because Brandon said Nerds 2 times and Vegan Erin ignored him and talked over him.
among us is virtual odd man out
Your profile picture is fabulous
@@julianna1919 fabulouis*
@Noor Malik , Julianna Izard spelled fabulous correctly. You’re the one that spelled it wrong lol.
@@thenaya5189 it’s not spelled in correct, it’s a pun
AAAAAAAA 1D
I really thought that after that video Brandon was going to stop being vegan, props to you my man for staying where you want to be regardless of how judgmental some people can be.
well being vegan for food reasons is not really a 'give up on taking care of my own body because other's think I'm doing it wrong' type of thing xD
8:10 As someone who has participated in the meming of Erin, I agree that the video and concept as a whole was, and still is, great! I love those episodes for the exact reasons you’ve described here. We always pretend to be so inclusive and not judgmental, but put us in a room where we have to make that decision, and we almost ALWAYS bank on stereotypes and shallow judgements. Even when we know we shouldn’t! I, personally, don’t think the meming of Erin overshadowed that message. At least it didn’t for me lol she was just one comedic part of the larger point.
And to add to this, it wasn’t her competitiveness that rubbed people the wrong way. It was the gate keeping and making Brandon question if he was even a vegan or not because he didn’t use the right soap or something. I think everyone has had that experience with someone in their personal life, whether it be about veganism, a fan of a specific musician, a religion, whatever... I know as a fan of hip hop, there’s a huge gate keeping community that will shame people for liking one artist but not another artist. If Freddie Gibbs isn’t in your top 5 rappers of all time, you dont know music and you have terrible taste. It’s just disgusting behavior. And I know the point of the game is to pick apart these people and find the mole, but you can do that without the gate keeping. Plus, she had it out for Brandon before he ever said anything. Absolutely, the people who sent death threats or legitimately cyber bullied her are in the wrong and should have never taken it that far. But the reason the meme was funny before it got serious was because we can all relate to someone gate keeping a belief or movement like they know it better than you do.
Beautifully said!
This comment needs to be pinned, couldn’t have said it better!!
Can I just say that Brandon deserves the world. He's so precious 🥺🥺
I just love how Brandon is eating the food that Erin said weren’t vegan lol
😂😂😂
5:54 * *grabs sour patch* *
I aspire to that level of petty 😂
I felt that
Yesss😤🤚🤚
sometimes i forget karen vegans actually exist. every vegan i've met in person has been just an average, nice person who just so happens to be vegan
I know right my friend who is vegan, would never shame me for having meat or not eating like a vegan. We have switch simple things like ice creams, sweets and restaurants we go to so she can join in and be more included. Occasionally we will go to a restaurant that is only vegan, but normally she just requires for us to makes sure there are vegan options. These people really give vegan bad reps. Because of people like my friend, I have reduce the amount of meat I do consume and where there source, and have switch products to vegan products. People like these give vegans a bad reputation, the simple changes that she has influenced me to make, probably has made a bigger difference than the results from some of these people.
@@babycakez8070 exactly, vegans get such a bad rep just because of the poor attitudes of a few
I think erins biggest mistake was targeting all the rounds very likable guy and being wrong in the end.
I'm really disappointed people were sending Erin such awful things, that goes way too far. That being said, she was a bully... I was upset watching this video because her demeanor is so reminiscent of the gatekeepers/Karens that plague many niche communities. She made me leave the video feeling worse about my identities even if they weren't the one (veganism) she was discussing. I hope she's worked on being less combative within her own community
Except that all we saw of her was during a competition to decide who wasn't vegan. We haven't seen if she's actually like that in the real world.
@@heyryanisonx3141 exactly. People think a few minutes of a video is all it takes to know someone
I totally agree with you! People should not harass Erin like that, even if her behavior is wrong. Yes, she is being rude and condescending. I don’t think she meant to hurt anyone though.
It’s ok to not like Erin. You don’t have to be her friend. But drowning her in hate comments and messages will not change her, it only makes you a worse person.
@@hurbig exactly they are bullying her about being a bully? Lol logic not found. It's like, do they think if you bully a bully, that will teach teach them to be nice? Do they want to bully her into being homeless or suicide? The comments ive seen were literaly that. She really wasnt THAT bad. Geezus! These people are worse than her.
Stop finding excuses just because you participated in the "Erin memeing/hating" lol
I think people were not mad about Erin being competitive. They are mad because she was being ANNOYING and RUDE. And there's a fine line between between being competitive and straight up rude. She didn't come in with any strategies, she didn't have her facts right, and she was cornering people just because they didn't match her habits.
Ofc the hate is completely unnecessary.
Big facts and she only targeted my dude brandon
Big L for Jubilee trying to defend Erin with this superficial: 'ShE WaS JuSt BeInG CoMpEtItIve' label. They know. It is especially funny how the girl in this video is first stating how people should not have stereotypes and be put in a box and then just defends Erin like that.
Ikr it’s so weird
so what? what if Erin was rude according to you, the participant doesnt even belive that, it was just a game, why would harass and insult someone over playing a game online, I dont understand why people online feel so entitled to harass another individual.
@@GabrielGoopar maybe Erin shouldn’t have harassed and insulted Brandon in the jubilee video
Tbh I think they also dislike Erin but they can't say it for their reputation. Everyone knows a game show or a brand needs to stay completely biased or else they receive backlash for being on either sides of an argument.
Probably just didn’t want bad blood tbh 🤷♀️ and if we’re being honest her crazy reacts is what made this series blow up and be able to take off not that I condone anything she says rofl
I thought Erin was a mole and playing a character
Lol nobody is that good of an actor
Apparently not
It would’ve been funny if she was the mole...
@@animetalesseries I disagree
@@realitymuzic357 disagree with my joke? wow, you're smart...
the thing that angered me was she was incorrect about her statements, she said sourpatch kids arent vegan when they are, and everyone argreed with her showing that every vegan doesnt know everything. and she chose one person to question most of the time. and then she acted like she knew it was jaylin after questioning brandon the whole game
"if you wanna be heroic, you don't have to put someone else's down"
say that to Erin and ThatVeganTeacher.
True!!
oh gosh people didn’t like erin bc she was so rude, judge mental, she thought she was on some high horse, always right and knew everything. she wasn’t as educated as she thought she was. i’m a competitive person but i’m not gonna argue something i’m not sure of like that.
There is NOTHING wrong with being vegan for food related reasons honestly that just helps even trying to be vegan.
nothing in this video will make me believe Erin is a bearable person to be around
I feel this video is more in defence of Erin rather than being about the show
This makes me realize there’s probably so much more footage of Erin being rude and they had to edit it out
I wanna see it so I can hate her even more lmao
Brandon: "I know how to do math."
vEgAn eRiN: *"tHaT's nOt vEgAn."*
No no she was badgering you so no it didn’t give a competitive vibe it was an aggressive attitude so that was her mistake
tHaT wAS hiS miSTaKe
@@syra1541 that's not vegan
Sure that was her mistake but that didnt warrant death threats and her getting bullied too. The point is not to make it a cycle duH
I'd imagine Erin would tell a breastfeeding mother THATS NOT VEGAN
I LOVE BRANDON.
Sour Patch kids should sponsor you.
Yesss, keep doing you! Youre doing great and youll continue to learn along the way!
I'm glad that this video was set up for Erin knowing that its just a game and she's aiming to win. But, I think this video should've been uploaded as a follow-up sooner to get the record straight instead of letting it go viral so deep into labeling Erin the "bad guy" even though she was a bit aggressive.
I agree, but I think it also affected Brandon as much. I’m guessing that’s part of the reason too. Maybe he was not ready talk about it..
@@cesssi-02 Well, Brandon wasn't a Jubilee staff yet at that point
But I mean their is a difference between being competitive and straight up targeting someone.
@@cookie1271 wait no he was I remember they said something about him being a staff member in the beginning of the vid
@@cookie1271 He was an intern, so still staff.
Erin: grilling everyone
Everyone: asks Erin one question
Erin: heheh why *wheeze* are you *wheeze*
Literally!
Nah eren wasn’t being competitive just straight up targeting poor Brandon
I remember when Erin' Instagram was still being featured in the original video description. I also remember going into Brandon and Erin instagram to see just how much hate they got. Brandon had a wedding picture i believe that was filled with positive reactions while Erin last post was so hateful. I continued checking on the original video and the Instagrams until one day, Erin's Instagram became private and stopped being featured.
Whats her insta ?
@@andreiiancu7154 Im sorry, but i dont have it anymore, and if i did, i would not like to post it.
I think the reason why everyone is so upset with how Erin acted is that while this was a competitive environment, her behavior is a reflection of this sense of superiority and gate keeping that some vegans embody. She took every opportunity to invalidate the decisions of what other vegans made in terms of lifestyle and what they ate, and it’s not anyone’s place to do that even in a competitive environment. Nothing about a competitive atmosphere justifies the invalidation of others decisions. You are there to gain information, not criticize what choices others made. Also, veganism is a spectrum because frankly not everyone can reasonably afford financially, physically and even spiritually to embody everything about that lifestyle, and that judgment for others decisions also showcases the hierarchy of social class. If one cannot financially afford to use certain vegan products, does that disqualify them from being vegan if they do everything else they can to embody the essence of the ideology? No. And that’s a lesson that I hope not just Erin, but everyone else in the video and those watching can take away from it.
I’d never thought about odd man out this way before but hearing Erin (the Jubilee producer) explain the idea behind it with like judgement, group thinking or embedded bias, I thought it was really cool and it has so much potential. Personally I love middle ground the most, but I think I’ll be seeing odd man out with a new perspective from now. It’s a shame that odd man out was sort of defined by that first episode I can only imagine how much it must hurt for the creators:(
Brandon defending Erin omg 🥺
Is he...?
He also did call her out by eating the sweets and taco bell.
@@placeholdernameisplacehold7671 exactly
@@placeholdernameisplacehold7671 yeah, he's playing the game sideways 😂
What happens if a Karen is a vegan? She turns into Erin. 😂
Out of curiosity, what was Erin's reaction to her meme status?
^
Thats not vegan
@@twirlyst. LMAO
@@evidence7338 im ur first like
@@carabonny I'm ur first like
I thought some of the meme comments were funny at first, but people took it to far so it crossed into harassment really fast
Erin completely gaslighted Brandon into questioning his veganism. Like, he wasn’t eating any meat products and he knew that, but she had him so confused.
The brief commentary given by Erin about people’s reasons for voting certain people out was extremely interesting! I would love to hear more reasoning from other episodes or see a full length unedited episode of Odd Man Out.
yall can show love to brandon without putting her down!! its been so long since that video pls chill out
Erin doesn't deserve death threats or anything like that but it is triggering and upsetting how she just kept questioning Brandon making Brandon even question himself if he was vegan. Erin was so sure about sour patch kids not being vegan and it came off as "your wrong dummy" in my opinion so Erin's harshness on Brandon was triggering and rude but she doesn't deserve all these threats.
@@Kitkatkera definitely agree!!! her behaviour was way too much to be just written off as "competitiveness",, but yeah the threats are just way too much, and its been such a long time since that vid too
@@graces5458 I agree, I watched the video early today before knowing about this reaction video and honestly I forgot about it later on so idk why people still talking about it till this day lol.
@@Kitkatkera exactly and also by some definitions, he isn't actuando vegan, he Is plan based.
Veganism is an ethical stance that someones takes against animal abuse. Brandon said he is vegan not for the animals but for health reasons, so yeah she might've been right about him not being vegan in her books. Still doesn't justify anyone being sent death threats and harassing them
being competitive vs being rude is completely different, she outted him just cause she didnt like what he ate for breakfast, thats petty
Brandon is literally the nicest person ever 🥺
“I think it’s weird that in order to defend someone, in this case people were trying to defend me, they have to put someone else down.”
Damn that’s so real. And a lot of people aren’t getting it
When she said “Erin” and then it popped up “not vegan Erin” I almost passed out from laughing so hard
tbh it was crazy to me how erin wasnt voted out,,,if i was up there i would've voted for her just cuz of how annoying she was, would've made the game more comfortable yk
that’s my thing lol like fuck the competition for a minute, can we all come together and eliminate her so we can all enjoy ourselves?
Voting her is just a bad idea, she's obviously not the mole it just wastes your vote.
you should make a "the truth" about ranking women about attractiveness since one of the participants had a lot to say about the behind the scenes and the misconceptions.
Who was the participant? Did they make a video or something?
What happened?
@@adventureras yeah fill us in, did jubliee didn't handle it properly?
Wait what happened?
I don't want to paraphrase too much but the tall blonde girl talked about it on tiktok. The application gave her a different impression on what the video was going to be about, So none of the girls were prepared for and were uncomfortable with the ranking. And the guys were there so that explains the "rank by personality" comments.
Why do I feel like Jubilee Erin did this specifically to make sure people knows she's not vegan Erin when people refer to "Erin from jubilee" and people don't defame her like that lmao
“Yeah I play basketball” Erin: that’s not vegan
I'm actually really glad you guys brought up the situation with how everyone treated Erin after this video because while I didn't post any comments about it I pretty much thought all of the same things. I'm really glad that you guys created this video because it kind of forced me to rethink where I was coming from and how I wouldn't want to be attacked like she did so why would I attack her? She's still human being and she was playing the game. So thank you guys for posting this video. Apparently is was something I really needed to see.